1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,480 Speaker 1: Everybody, Welcome to massa territory brought to you by the 2 00:00:02,480 --> 00:00:06,800 Speaker 1: Foul Territory Network. We got Chris Catillo back on the show. 3 00:00:06,960 --> 00:00:07,880 Speaker 1: How you doing, my friend? 4 00:00:08,760 --> 00:00:10,600 Speaker 2: I am good. I feel like this is time three 5 00:00:10,760 --> 00:00:13,720 Speaker 2: or four. So you know there's a Rob Bradford does 6 00:00:13,760 --> 00:00:15,960 Speaker 2: a Baseball Isn't Boring Hall of Fame. I think I 7 00:00:16,040 --> 00:00:19,440 Speaker 2: belong in the Monster Territory Hall of Fame, despite how 8 00:00:19,560 --> 00:00:22,000 Speaker 2: boring and uninteresting my appearances can be. 9 00:00:22,520 --> 00:00:25,720 Speaker 1: I mean, I find you very interesting and I always 10 00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:28,000 Speaker 1: enjoy having you on. But I don't know if we're 11 00:00:28,480 --> 00:00:32,000 Speaker 1: established enough to have a hall of fame over here. 12 00:00:32,120 --> 00:00:33,879 Speaker 1: I mean, I think we got it. How long has 13 00:00:33,920 --> 00:00:35,680 Speaker 1: he been doing Baseball Isn't boring? 14 00:00:37,200 --> 00:00:40,080 Speaker 2: It's gone through some rebrands that hasn't been this uh 15 00:00:40,840 --> 00:00:43,519 Speaker 2: self serving and as much as a self promotion vehicle, 16 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:46,320 Speaker 2: uh for for long though. I guess the previous show 17 00:00:46,440 --> 00:00:49,240 Speaker 2: was called the Bradfolk Show, so maybe it was worse. 18 00:00:49,360 --> 00:00:52,199 Speaker 2: But it's all it's all in the same umbrel. That's 19 00:00:52,240 --> 00:00:53,920 Speaker 2: a better question for him, and I'll still give it. 20 00:00:53,960 --> 00:00:54,920 Speaker 2: Sell you a T shirt too. 21 00:00:55,560 --> 00:00:57,480 Speaker 1: I mean, as long if I got to get a sticker, 22 00:00:57,880 --> 00:00:59,120 Speaker 1: I got to get one of those, so I'll have. 23 00:00:59,040 --> 00:01:01,120 Speaker 2: To ask about there's plenty of those. 24 00:01:01,560 --> 00:01:03,480 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, they definitely are. Well, I have to ask 25 00:01:03,520 --> 00:01:06,600 Speaker 1: him how long he thinks it's appropriate until we have 26 00:01:06,640 --> 00:01:09,679 Speaker 1: a Hall of Fame. But I got to ask you 27 00:01:09,800 --> 00:01:11,600 Speaker 1: right off the bat before we dive into some red 28 00:01:11,600 --> 00:01:14,720 Speaker 1: sox here. I was watching the World Baseball Classic over 29 00:01:14,720 --> 00:01:16,880 Speaker 1: the last couple of days and I couldn't help but 30 00:01:16,920 --> 00:01:21,399 Speaker 1: think of one of my favorite tweets from this past year. 31 00:01:22,080 --> 00:01:25,759 Speaker 1: I would say a very underrated tweet that I think 32 00:01:25,800 --> 00:01:28,880 Speaker 1: people have forgotten about. It was when all of the 33 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:32,600 Speaker 1: raffi playing first base stuff was happening, all the drama. 34 00:01:32,720 --> 00:01:35,800 Speaker 1: There was an aggregator out there that said, Chris, I 35 00:01:35,840 --> 00:01:40,800 Speaker 1: thought you understood and spoke a little Spanish, and you said, well, 36 00:01:41,040 --> 00:01:44,959 Speaker 1: we got to shoot the narrative down. Catillo is actually Italian, 37 00:01:45,120 --> 00:01:47,560 Speaker 1: and I believe you said you knew a couple of 38 00:01:47,560 --> 00:01:49,920 Speaker 1: words from high school. So I got to ask you, 39 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:51,720 Speaker 1: how are you feeling about Team Italy right now? 40 00:01:52,800 --> 00:01:57,200 Speaker 2: Yeah? My dad was happy about you know, he wasn't 41 00:01:57,240 --> 00:02:00,480 Speaker 2: following really closely. I think he kind of just saw on. 42 00:02:00,640 --> 00:02:02,880 Speaker 2: He's an accountant, so this time of year he's just 43 00:02:02,920 --> 00:02:04,760 Speaker 2: like at work all day and all night, so he's 44 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:08,640 Speaker 2: not locked in on the TV and these games. And 45 00:02:08,680 --> 00:02:10,760 Speaker 2: I think he just picked up on Twitter that Team 46 00:02:10,880 --> 00:02:15,120 Speaker 2: USA had lost and then eventually realized they had lost 47 00:02:15,120 --> 00:02:18,560 Speaker 2: the Team Italy. So you know, that's I guess the 48 00:02:18,600 --> 00:02:22,079 Speaker 2: secondary secondary team in the Catillo House. But yeah, it's 49 00:02:22,080 --> 00:02:24,040 Speaker 2: a real it's a real thing that's happened over the 50 00:02:24,120 --> 00:02:26,880 Speaker 2: last few years. I think in large part with section 51 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:31,680 Speaker 2: ten just saying saying Katio and all that is a 52 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:36,080 Speaker 2: bit and you know, it's kind of I get it 53 00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:39,840 Speaker 2: a lot, and I get introduced on pods as Katio, 54 00:02:40,040 --> 00:02:42,880 Speaker 2: and I get you know, like I'll run into some 55 00:02:42,880 --> 00:02:46,120 Speaker 2: people at Fenway like Katio and I you know, I'm 56 00:02:46,120 --> 00:02:48,480 Speaker 2: just so happy to be recognized by anybody and that 57 00:02:48,960 --> 00:02:51,080 Speaker 2: or on a podcast that I don't correct it. So 58 00:02:52,400 --> 00:02:54,079 Speaker 2: whatever you want to call me is fine. But no, 59 00:02:54,280 --> 00:02:59,640 Speaker 2: it's like you know, Ellis Island, North End Heritage, all 60 00:02:59,639 --> 00:03:04,600 Speaker 2: that stuff. Not there's it's very much the the rhymes 61 00:03:04,600 --> 00:03:06,280 Speaker 2: with pillow, as I always say. 62 00:03:07,120 --> 00:03:09,359 Speaker 1: I mean, hey, you know, it never hurts to have 63 00:03:09,400 --> 00:03:11,880 Speaker 1: a couple identities, right, you know, so you might as 64 00:03:11,919 --> 00:03:14,079 Speaker 1: well just lean into it at this point. But one 65 00:03:14,120 --> 00:03:16,519 Speaker 1: of my goals here on the show is to say 66 00:03:16,600 --> 00:03:19,960 Speaker 1: Catillo as much as possible to you know, even things 67 00:03:20,040 --> 00:03:22,640 Speaker 1: out a little bit. But we've got some Red Sox 68 00:03:22,680 --> 00:03:24,919 Speaker 1: to talk about, and you know you've been at camp 69 00:03:24,919 --> 00:03:26,480 Speaker 1: a little bit. You know, we've still got a couple 70 00:03:26,480 --> 00:03:30,240 Speaker 1: of more weeks here until we break camp. What are 71 00:03:30,240 --> 00:03:32,600 Speaker 1: your takeaways so far right now when it comes to 72 00:03:33,440 --> 00:03:35,160 Speaker 1: I know you guys talked about this on the famway 73 00:03:35,280 --> 00:03:37,840 Speaker 1: run down. Not the biggest fan of the word, you 74 00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:41,520 Speaker 1: know the vibes, But you know, what are you looking 75 00:03:41,560 --> 00:03:43,560 Speaker 1: at the most right now at Red Sox Camp? What 76 00:03:43,600 --> 00:03:45,000 Speaker 1: are your biggest takeaways so far? 77 00:03:45,960 --> 00:03:47,480 Speaker 2: Yeah? I think you know. I was there for the 78 00:03:47,480 --> 00:03:51,000 Speaker 2: first sixteen seventeen days, came home. I'll be there for 79 00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:54,680 Speaker 2: the last eight, which is enough to do about half. 80 00:03:54,720 --> 00:03:57,240 Speaker 2: And that's why we have three people at Mass Lives 81 00:03:57,240 --> 00:03:58,960 Speaker 2: who split it and Sean and Chris are down there. 82 00:03:59,240 --> 00:04:01,520 Speaker 2: But the theme I think has been the same since 83 00:04:01,600 --> 00:04:05,680 Speaker 2: the beginning. You really, if you're a major league team, 84 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:11,360 Speaker 2: especially one with an ion contending, you want a really quiet, tranquil, 85 00:04:12,280 --> 00:04:15,040 Speaker 2: boring camp. In a lot of ways, you don't want 86 00:04:15,600 --> 00:04:18,520 Speaker 2: a ton of position battles and storylines like that. You 87 00:04:18,520 --> 00:04:21,599 Speaker 2: don't want controversy like we saw last year. You don't 88 00:04:21,640 --> 00:04:23,800 Speaker 2: want injuries, which the Red Sox have done a really 89 00:04:23,839 --> 00:04:27,320 Speaker 2: good job of avoiding, other than the Roe be Gonzalez situation, right, 90 00:04:27,360 --> 00:04:29,039 Speaker 2: you know, which we'll know more on the next couple 91 00:04:29,080 --> 00:04:33,119 Speaker 2: of days. But they have just kind of been going 92 00:04:33,160 --> 00:04:36,880 Speaker 2: through the getting their work in before opening day. There's 93 00:04:36,880 --> 00:04:39,040 Speaker 2: not a lot of drama. There's not a lot of news. 94 00:04:39,120 --> 00:04:41,839 Speaker 2: The roster has been pretty much set since the Durban 95 00:04:41,920 --> 00:04:45,200 Speaker 2: Trade and I think, you know, in comparison to two 96 00:04:45,240 --> 00:04:48,599 Speaker 2: previous years, that's a welcome thing for them. You know, 97 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:52,520 Speaker 2: last year, I think maybe people that talk about the 98 00:04:52,640 --> 00:04:56,320 Speaker 2: vibes being good is just not revisionist history, but it's 99 00:04:56,320 --> 00:04:58,400 Speaker 2: just a reaction to the fact that they were not 100 00:04:58,600 --> 00:05:00,920 Speaker 2: last year. And know a lot of people who were 101 00:05:00,960 --> 00:05:03,520 Speaker 2: there around it were, I mean included We're saying for 102 00:05:03,560 --> 00:05:06,560 Speaker 2: a while, like something's not right here, this isn't good, 103 00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:09,160 Speaker 2: and everybody was saying, we were just trying to drive controversy. 104 00:05:09,240 --> 00:05:12,080 Speaker 2: And obviously they traded Devers so it had gotten to 105 00:05:12,080 --> 00:05:13,719 Speaker 2: that point, which I didn't even think it was going 106 00:05:13,760 --> 00:05:16,119 Speaker 2: to get that bad. So you know, it's a group 107 00:05:16,160 --> 00:05:19,320 Speaker 2: that I think it's more comfortable in its skin. You know, 108 00:05:19,480 --> 00:05:22,240 Speaker 2: when you have tone setters, like you know, a year ago, 109 00:05:22,400 --> 00:05:26,440 Speaker 2: Anthony was a prospect opening debut and Crochet was, you know, 110 00:05:26,480 --> 00:05:28,680 Speaker 2: an unknown personality because he had come over in a 111 00:05:28,680 --> 00:05:30,719 Speaker 2: big trade. But you know, he's not a guy that 112 00:05:30,800 --> 00:05:33,000 Speaker 2: knew his teammates. And I think when you set the 113 00:05:33,040 --> 00:05:35,800 Speaker 2: tone with those two guys and Story, who can kind 114 00:05:35,800 --> 00:05:38,040 Speaker 2: of lead his way after a year on the field 115 00:05:38,480 --> 00:05:40,360 Speaker 2: and you know, you kind of know there's a lot 116 00:05:40,360 --> 00:05:43,680 Speaker 2: of new guys but and the WBC, a lot of 117 00:05:43,680 --> 00:05:46,160 Speaker 2: them are pulled in different directions. But you know, they 118 00:05:46,200 --> 00:05:50,880 Speaker 2: haven't had that catastrophic injury, they haven't had their depth depleted, 119 00:05:50,960 --> 00:05:54,120 Speaker 2: they haven't had, you know, a big trade to shake 120 00:05:54,200 --> 00:05:56,440 Speaker 2: things up in the middle of March. And I just 121 00:05:56,520 --> 00:06:00,720 Speaker 2: think that is the ideal camp for a team to have. Now, 122 00:06:00,760 --> 00:06:03,120 Speaker 2: with two weeks left, I could be jinxing it for 123 00:06:03,160 --> 00:06:05,400 Speaker 2: them in a way where something bad happens or something 124 00:06:05,440 --> 00:06:08,920 Speaker 2: big happens, but it's been tranquil in a good way. 125 00:06:09,279 --> 00:06:11,160 Speaker 2: I think you want a team to be like around 126 00:06:11,200 --> 00:06:14,120 Speaker 2: five hundred and great Fruit League play because you you know, 127 00:06:14,240 --> 00:06:17,800 Speaker 2: don't want them to you know, lose a ton and 128 00:06:17,880 --> 00:06:19,960 Speaker 2: get that feeling in their mouse, but you also don't 129 00:06:19,960 --> 00:06:23,840 Speaker 2: want them to dominate sometimes because that can go the 130 00:06:23,880 --> 00:06:25,840 Speaker 2: other way too. Once the season starts, they're like eight 131 00:06:25,839 --> 00:06:29,920 Speaker 2: and nine. So a really really you know, encouraging thing, 132 00:06:29,960 --> 00:06:32,320 Speaker 2: and I think a really really long win to answer. 133 00:06:32,360 --> 00:06:36,800 Speaker 2: There's been some individual performances and some things that you 134 00:06:36,839 --> 00:06:41,159 Speaker 2: can look at, I think pretty positively. To me, Duran 135 00:06:41,240 --> 00:06:44,000 Speaker 2: and the WBC and his the bats against lefties. You know, 136 00:06:44,080 --> 00:06:46,600 Speaker 2: going back to when he's facing Chapman on the backfields. 137 00:06:46,839 --> 00:06:49,479 Speaker 2: It could mean nothing, because sometimes in February and March 138 00:06:49,520 --> 00:06:52,000 Speaker 2: it doesn't. It could mean something. The Red Sox seem 139 00:06:52,040 --> 00:06:54,719 Speaker 2: to think it does. And then you know a guy 140 00:06:54,760 --> 00:06:57,559 Speaker 2: like Oviedo who's kind of figured it out and pitched 141 00:06:57,600 --> 00:07:00,680 Speaker 2: pretty well. You know, the Ross dur as the roster. 142 00:07:00,720 --> 00:07:03,000 Speaker 2: It doesn't really changed since they got there. But again, 143 00:07:03,040 --> 00:07:07,200 Speaker 2: I think it's been a good camp to this point 144 00:07:07,240 --> 00:07:10,360 Speaker 2: for them. Definitely, you know, a different feeling than the 145 00:07:10,440 --> 00:07:12,880 Speaker 2: disruptions they felt in the last couple of years and 146 00:07:13,040 --> 00:07:15,720 Speaker 2: different moves, and I mean think back to even the 147 00:07:15,720 --> 00:07:17,960 Speaker 2: twenty twenty camp. You know, camp starts and they trade 148 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:20,080 Speaker 2: betts and you know last year was a whole different 149 00:07:20,080 --> 00:07:23,120 Speaker 2: story and story came in in the middle of a 150 00:07:23,120 --> 00:07:25,360 Speaker 2: spring training one of the years, and twenty two I think, 151 00:07:25,440 --> 00:07:28,960 Speaker 2: and just it's it's been calmer, which is good for them. 152 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:32,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, it feels like every year there's always some kind 153 00:07:32,480 --> 00:07:35,880 Speaker 1: of a storyline. Right last year was Bregman Rafi a 154 00:07:35,920 --> 00:07:37,840 Speaker 1: couple of years ago? Is are they going to sign 155 00:07:37,960 --> 00:07:40,640 Speaker 1: Jordan Montgomery a couple of years a few years ago? 156 00:07:40,880 --> 00:07:43,320 Speaker 1: You know, I think Xander Bogart's had gone, you know, 157 00:07:43,320 --> 00:07:47,520 Speaker 1: and there was definitely that transition. Every year, there's always 158 00:07:47,600 --> 00:07:50,840 Speaker 1: something going on, and you know, as a as a 159 00:07:50,880 --> 00:07:53,880 Speaker 1: YouTube content creator, you know, I hate to say it, 160 00:07:53,920 --> 00:07:58,760 Speaker 1: but controversy does create cash. But I'm pretty pretty happy 161 00:07:58,760 --> 00:08:01,880 Speaker 1: with how this camp's going. It's nice to have just 162 00:08:02,080 --> 00:08:03,800 Speaker 1: a bit more of a mellow camp because you got 163 00:08:03,800 --> 00:08:05,560 Speaker 1: your eyes on the prize. You're looking for a deep 164 00:08:05,560 --> 00:08:09,200 Speaker 1: postseason run this year. I got to ask you, you know, 165 00:08:09,440 --> 00:08:12,040 Speaker 1: with the twenty twenty six Red Sox right now, obviously 166 00:08:12,560 --> 00:08:15,239 Speaker 1: there's a lot of season to play. You have seen 167 00:08:15,280 --> 00:08:19,400 Speaker 1: this firsthand. Obviously things change during the year, But right now, 168 00:08:19,880 --> 00:08:22,400 Speaker 1: if you were to pick a word, maybe a couple, 169 00:08:22,560 --> 00:08:24,680 Speaker 1: maybe a few, you know, what are some words you 170 00:08:24,680 --> 00:08:27,960 Speaker 1: would use right now to describe your feeling of this 171 00:08:28,080 --> 00:08:29,440 Speaker 1: Red Sox team right now. 172 00:08:30,800 --> 00:08:32,880 Speaker 2: Well, I think tranquil, like I said, in terms of 173 00:08:32,920 --> 00:08:35,120 Speaker 2: camp is probably the one that comes to mind first 174 00:08:36,320 --> 00:08:42,439 Speaker 2: in terms of the expectations, as you know, prepared, because 175 00:08:42,520 --> 00:08:44,720 Speaker 2: there's a lot of guys that are a lot more 176 00:08:44,720 --> 00:08:47,040 Speaker 2: prepared kind of what I was just speaking about too, 177 00:08:46,800 --> 00:08:49,080 Speaker 2: to make it to the postseason. To know what that 178 00:08:49,120 --> 00:08:52,400 Speaker 2: one sixty two grind looks like. You know, this is 179 00:08:52,440 --> 00:08:55,199 Speaker 2: a proven bunch in some way. It's an unproven bunch 180 00:08:55,200 --> 00:08:57,880 Speaker 2: in some ways, but it's a more proven group than 181 00:08:57,880 --> 00:08:59,600 Speaker 2: they were a year ago. When you think about all 182 00:08:59,640 --> 00:09:02,800 Speaker 2: the guys trying to debut. Everybody in that group you 183 00:09:02,840 --> 00:09:05,920 Speaker 2: know from that debut last year or barely had played 184 00:09:06,040 --> 00:09:11,800 Speaker 2: narvaias Meyer, Campbell, Anthony Early, totally, you name it. Those 185 00:09:11,800 --> 00:09:14,640 Speaker 2: types of young guys like any taste of big league action, 186 00:09:14,760 --> 00:09:17,640 Speaker 2: that exposure, playing in the playoffs, playing down the stretch 187 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:19,960 Speaker 2: is going to help. So, you know, a little bit 188 00:09:19,960 --> 00:09:24,760 Speaker 2: more prepared, I guess is another word. And you know, 189 00:09:25,080 --> 00:09:30,320 Speaker 2: I think it's just one of those you look at 190 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:32,520 Speaker 2: the off season and we've talked about that now for 191 00:09:32,559 --> 00:09:36,200 Speaker 2: four or five months. You know, another word I would 192 00:09:36,200 --> 00:09:39,720 Speaker 2: think about that as a separate note, is just like 193 00:09:40,440 --> 00:09:43,840 Speaker 2: there being a big burden on internal guys that are 194 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:47,079 Speaker 2: coming back. Because you can look at the roster, it's 195 00:09:47,120 --> 00:09:49,000 Speaker 2: different than it was a year ago. You can argue 196 00:09:49,040 --> 00:09:52,240 Speaker 2: it's better. You can argue it's about the same. You know, Bregman, 197 00:09:52,280 --> 00:09:55,640 Speaker 2: Fercintreras and the rotation and you know all the different 198 00:09:55,640 --> 00:09:58,120 Speaker 2: things everybody knows about. But there's a burden on the 199 00:09:58,160 --> 00:10:01,280 Speaker 2: guys who are coming back to be what they were 200 00:10:01,400 --> 00:10:06,760 Speaker 2: last year or be better. And I think that's a huge, 201 00:10:06,880 --> 00:10:11,800 Speaker 2: huge ask for especially Crochet and Chapman, because they're virtually perfect. 202 00:10:11,840 --> 00:10:14,640 Speaker 2: You couldn't have asked much better. And so if you know, 203 00:10:14,679 --> 00:10:16,760 Speaker 2: one of those guys gets hurt and you know, I 204 00:10:16,760 --> 00:10:18,520 Speaker 2: didn't even throw Whitlock into that bucket because he was 205 00:10:18,520 --> 00:10:21,720 Speaker 2: pretty close for most of the year, like any injury 206 00:10:21,840 --> 00:10:24,880 Speaker 2: or any struggle with that, and it's easy to see 207 00:10:24,920 --> 00:10:28,240 Speaker 2: this thing slipping off the rails a little bit. And 208 00:10:28,280 --> 00:10:31,280 Speaker 2: I also think that the expectations on guys like Anthony 209 00:10:31,440 --> 00:10:34,000 Speaker 2: and a bray You and Duran because with the WBC 210 00:10:34,640 --> 00:10:39,600 Speaker 2: and stuff, are really really really high too. And you know, 211 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:41,800 Speaker 2: everybody looks at well, is this the year a guy 212 00:10:41,800 --> 00:10:44,200 Speaker 2: could take a jump. Well what about is this the 213 00:10:44,280 --> 00:10:46,040 Speaker 2: year a guy could take a step back or is 214 00:10:46,080 --> 00:10:49,439 Speaker 2: this a year where a guy could, you know, run 215 00:10:49,480 --> 00:10:52,640 Speaker 2: into an injury situation. You know that obviously would be 216 00:10:52,760 --> 00:10:55,559 Speaker 2: unfortunate for anybody dealing with that, but that's the reality 217 00:10:55,600 --> 00:10:59,199 Speaker 2: of it. So I do think at full strength they're 218 00:10:59,200 --> 00:11:01,160 Speaker 2: a really good team. But I think people are looking 219 00:11:01,200 --> 00:11:04,559 Speaker 2: at that with counting like, well, what Crochet did last year, 220 00:11:04,600 --> 00:11:08,679 Speaker 2: you can just bank one so good. What Chapman did 221 00:11:08,720 --> 00:11:11,240 Speaker 2: last year out of nowhere we can bank on, don't. 222 00:11:11,440 --> 00:11:13,400 Speaker 2: I don't think that's a fair thing to put on 223 00:11:13,480 --> 00:11:16,000 Speaker 2: anybody that Anthony's I had that Anthony's going to be 224 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:18,640 Speaker 2: a top three or five MVP guy. I mean, there's 225 00:11:19,080 --> 00:11:21,840 Speaker 2: writings on the wall that could happen. What if it doesn't, 226 00:11:21,920 --> 00:11:25,880 Speaker 2: you know, And so there's always surprises like Narvaia's and 227 00:11:25,960 --> 00:11:28,560 Speaker 2: Chapman last year. Really there's always guys that go the 228 00:11:28,559 --> 00:11:31,480 Speaker 2: other way last year Bueller, you know, and some of 229 00:11:31,480 --> 00:11:34,680 Speaker 2: those others. But I think that there is a burden 230 00:11:34,760 --> 00:11:38,719 Speaker 2: on the guys who are returning to be as good, 231 00:11:38,760 --> 00:11:41,120 Speaker 2: if not better, and it just doesn't work out that 232 00:11:41,160 --> 00:11:41,960 Speaker 2: way all the time. 233 00:11:42,600 --> 00:11:44,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree, you know, the one team that I 234 00:11:44,640 --> 00:11:48,400 Speaker 1: can think of that was the most linear team ever. 235 00:11:48,400 --> 00:11:50,480 Speaker 1: It was like the twenty eighteen Red Sox just felt 236 00:11:50,520 --> 00:11:53,200 Speaker 1: like there was never a problem with that team, that 237 00:11:53,240 --> 00:11:56,080 Speaker 1: they were just smooth sailing the whole way. There are 238 00:11:56,120 --> 00:11:58,160 Speaker 1: definitely gonna be some bumps with this team. There's going 239 00:11:58,200 --> 00:12:01,199 Speaker 1: to be still going to be growing pain with this team. 240 00:12:01,640 --> 00:12:04,120 Speaker 1: But I'm with you, Definitely a talented team, Definitely a 241 00:12:04,120 --> 00:12:06,600 Speaker 1: team that I think is capable of making a run. 242 00:12:06,760 --> 00:12:09,000 Speaker 1: We'll just have to wait and see. Now when it 243 00:12:09,040 --> 00:12:12,560 Speaker 1: comes to the roster itself, you know, for the most 244 00:12:12,600 --> 00:12:16,520 Speaker 1: there's definitely less question marks I would say this time around. 245 00:12:16,559 --> 00:12:20,319 Speaker 1: But you still got this one cloud hanging over this team. 246 00:12:20,800 --> 00:12:22,360 Speaker 1: If you want to call it a cloud, I'm not 247 00:12:22,400 --> 00:12:26,640 Speaker 1: so sure. But just the outfield situation with Massa taki Yoshita, 248 00:12:26,640 --> 00:12:29,000 Speaker 1: who is hitting really well in the WBC right now, 249 00:12:29,000 --> 00:12:32,400 Speaker 1: he's drawing praise from Alex Korra saying, hey, he's looking 250 00:12:32,440 --> 00:12:35,320 Speaker 1: like the twenty twenty three Massa taki Yoshida that was 251 00:12:35,559 --> 00:12:37,760 Speaker 1: one of the best hitters in the first half that year. 252 00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:42,400 Speaker 1: But you know, right now with him, with how he's performing, 253 00:12:42,559 --> 00:12:46,440 Speaker 1: do you think and again with Masa there's been this, 254 00:12:46,679 --> 00:12:49,320 Speaker 1: you know, this looming question mark with whether or not 255 00:12:49,360 --> 00:12:51,600 Speaker 1: he's a trade candidate or if he's going to get moved. 256 00:12:52,679 --> 00:12:57,479 Speaker 1: Do you see his performance of the WBC possibly increasing 257 00:12:58,280 --> 00:13:00,600 Speaker 1: the stock of him getting moved, or maybe even the 258 00:13:00,640 --> 00:13:02,960 Speaker 1: other way, maybe him staying with the Red Sox. You know, 259 00:13:02,960 --> 00:13:05,480 Speaker 1: how do you see that working out when it comes 260 00:13:05,520 --> 00:13:08,600 Speaker 1: to his roster spot and just the four out feelers 261 00:13:08,640 --> 00:13:08,840 Speaker 1: they have. 262 00:13:09,920 --> 00:13:11,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think it's tough to gain anything 263 00:13:11,920 --> 00:13:14,720 Speaker 2: from four games, even if you're a rival evaluator. I 264 00:13:14,720 --> 00:13:17,960 Speaker 2: think there are some metrics that can suggest health in 265 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:20,080 Speaker 2: those games and what he showed in spring training and 266 00:13:20,080 --> 00:13:22,840 Speaker 2: when he was pretty good down the stretch, whether the 267 00:13:22,880 --> 00:13:25,440 Speaker 2: shoulder took a while, the bat speed took a while 268 00:13:25,440 --> 00:13:28,760 Speaker 2: to come back after the shoulder injury, or you know, 269 00:13:29,160 --> 00:13:32,200 Speaker 2: different he was hesitant or whatever it was. I think, 270 00:13:32,320 --> 00:13:35,560 Speaker 2: you know, people are probably looking to see health more 271 00:13:35,600 --> 00:13:39,240 Speaker 2: than anything. It's just such an unbelievably unique situation with 272 00:13:39,320 --> 00:13:44,640 Speaker 2: him because he is like an albatross contract in a way, 273 00:13:44,679 --> 00:13:48,640 Speaker 2: but probably too good of a player to be to be, 274 00:13:49,559 --> 00:13:53,679 Speaker 2: you know, labeled that on ninety percent rosters, you could 275 00:13:53,720 --> 00:13:55,920 Speaker 2: be able to figure it out. The Red Sox just 276 00:13:56,000 --> 00:13:59,000 Speaker 2: happened to have some of their very best homegrown players. 277 00:13:59,160 --> 00:14:01,440 Speaker 2: Four of them the bray You kind of being homegrown. 278 00:14:01,480 --> 00:14:04,960 Speaker 2: They traded for him being outfielders, and you know, three 279 00:14:04,960 --> 00:14:08,880 Speaker 2: of them being left handed hitting outfielders. And you know, 280 00:14:09,240 --> 00:14:12,600 Speaker 2: at the time hem Bloom acquired Yoshida to play left 281 00:14:12,600 --> 00:14:15,880 Speaker 2: field for five years, I didn't think he thought Duran 282 00:14:15,960 --> 00:14:18,560 Speaker 2: would turn into what he did. And Roman Anthony wasn't 283 00:14:18,559 --> 00:14:21,080 Speaker 2: in the organization yet, a bray You wasn't in the 284 00:14:21,240 --> 00:14:24,520 Speaker 2: organization yet. Rafaela was a utility, like you're just the 285 00:14:25,440 --> 00:14:29,520 Speaker 2: They didn't necessarily have this idea in mind, and so 286 00:14:29,720 --> 00:14:32,560 Speaker 2: it is a good problem to have, but it's a problem. Nonetheless, 287 00:14:33,560 --> 00:14:35,680 Speaker 2: it just comes down to, you know, can't they get 288 00:14:35,680 --> 00:14:37,480 Speaker 2: a reasonable trade off or I think if they do, 289 00:14:37,560 --> 00:14:39,320 Speaker 2: they'd be willing to pull the trigger and move on 290 00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:43,120 Speaker 2: from him. If not, you know, there are worse things 291 00:14:43,120 --> 00:14:45,560 Speaker 2: in the world than rolling out a twenty six man 292 00:14:45,600 --> 00:14:50,080 Speaker 2: opening day roster with this guy who's a proven Big 293 00:14:50,160 --> 00:14:55,120 Speaker 2: leaguer as your fourth, fifth, fifth, I guess outfielder, and 294 00:14:55,160 --> 00:14:59,280 Speaker 2: a bench bat. You know, if you have your Seeta 295 00:14:59,360 --> 00:15:02,040 Speaker 2: there for a few until something happens and somebody gets 296 00:15:02,080 --> 00:15:05,280 Speaker 2: hurt over Nick Soguard on the roster, like does it 297 00:15:05,320 --> 00:15:07,560 Speaker 2: really hurt you that much? Probably not, And that's the 298 00:15:07,640 --> 00:15:11,120 Speaker 2: decision to come down to. And I think you know 299 00:15:11,200 --> 00:15:14,280 Speaker 2: something that can really help them out with that too, 300 00:15:14,600 --> 00:15:17,400 Speaker 2: is as much as they want to play Rafaela in 301 00:15:17,480 --> 00:15:20,240 Speaker 2: center and start him there, they've been willing to move 302 00:15:20,320 --> 00:15:22,960 Speaker 2: him the second later in game. So if you you know, 303 00:15:23,040 --> 00:15:25,040 Speaker 2: take your sheet at bat and you put him in 304 00:15:25,040 --> 00:15:26,560 Speaker 2: the I for we're a pinch hit at bat against 305 00:15:26,600 --> 00:15:29,760 Speaker 2: ariety that you really like the matchup and you need 306 00:15:29,800 --> 00:15:31,800 Speaker 2: to go stick him and left and move Anthony or 307 00:15:31,840 --> 00:15:35,000 Speaker 2: Duran to center. You can move Rafaela the second if 308 00:15:35,080 --> 00:15:37,880 Speaker 2: you know, let's say I don't know, kinder Fileffer or 309 00:15:37,960 --> 00:15:40,000 Speaker 2: Meyer is the guy you're pinch hitting four or whatever. 310 00:15:40,080 --> 00:15:41,440 Speaker 2: You know, there's you know, just talking about a lot 311 00:15:41,480 --> 00:15:44,640 Speaker 2: of scenarios, but that could help them, and they're just 312 00:15:44,800 --> 00:15:47,080 Speaker 2: you know, going to see the other thing is at 313 00:15:47,120 --> 00:15:50,600 Speaker 2: some point, you know, a Bray you Duran, Rafaela or 314 00:15:50,640 --> 00:15:52,840 Speaker 2: Anthony's gonna go on the injured lists. You know, those 315 00:15:52,840 --> 00:15:54,440 Speaker 2: guys all for them are not going to play one 316 00:15:54,480 --> 00:15:57,360 Speaker 2: sixty two. It's just how you know, the math works. 317 00:15:57,480 --> 00:16:00,880 Speaker 2: And at that point you have three starting outfielders in 318 00:16:00,920 --> 00:16:04,800 Speaker 2: Yoshieta is still there. I think where things and we're 319 00:16:04,800 --> 00:16:08,880 Speaker 2: not there yet get really really really crowded and tough 320 00:16:08,960 --> 00:16:11,320 Speaker 2: to imagine how it all works out at full strength. 321 00:16:11,800 --> 00:16:13,640 Speaker 2: The two guys that impacts a lot are a healthy 322 00:16:13,640 --> 00:16:16,760 Speaker 2: Tristan Cossus if he is, you know, because he's going 323 00:16:16,800 --> 00:16:19,040 Speaker 2: to either play first or DH that's your options, like 324 00:16:19,080 --> 00:16:22,680 Speaker 2: you can't figure out other things with him. And Christian Campbell, 325 00:16:22,840 --> 00:16:24,720 Speaker 2: like at a certain point you're going to bury him 326 00:16:24,720 --> 00:16:27,640 Speaker 2: at Triple A for another year because right now he's 327 00:16:27,720 --> 00:16:30,040 Speaker 2: six outfielder on the team. He's not an option to 328 00:16:30,040 --> 00:16:33,560 Speaker 2: play in field. So when Cossas is healthy, that's when 329 00:16:33,600 --> 00:16:35,640 Speaker 2: these decisions are going to get kind of harry. We 330 00:16:35,680 --> 00:16:37,960 Speaker 2: say all this, we talk about this for six months 331 00:16:38,040 --> 00:16:40,200 Speaker 2: or eight months or whatever long we've been talking about it, 332 00:16:40,240 --> 00:16:43,360 Speaker 2: and I always offer the reminder they started Nate Eaton 333 00:16:43,400 --> 00:16:46,480 Speaker 2: and Nick Sogarden playoff games last year. You know, Nate 334 00:16:46,480 --> 00:16:50,040 Speaker 2: Eaton for an overcrowded outfield where all of these guys 335 00:16:50,120 --> 00:16:53,040 Speaker 2: couldn't have roles. Nate Eaton started two or three playoff 336 00:16:53,040 --> 00:16:57,320 Speaker 2: game for you, and right so things happen, Things change 337 00:16:57,360 --> 00:16:58,680 Speaker 2: and I'm sure they will here too. 338 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:03,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, And another thing with Massa as well, it's, you know, 339 00:17:03,080 --> 00:17:05,720 Speaker 1: it's not like there's this big booming market out there 340 00:17:05,760 --> 00:17:08,560 Speaker 1: for him either. You know, you could maybe think of 341 00:17:08,560 --> 00:17:12,080 Speaker 1: a couple scenarios where, you know, maybe the ad Buster 342 00:17:12,240 --> 00:17:15,840 Speaker 1: only tweeted about the Astros last week, the Braves lost 343 00:17:16,040 --> 00:17:20,520 Speaker 1: errickson profar, So it's not really a whole lot of options. 344 00:17:20,560 --> 00:17:22,400 Speaker 1: So that's kind of where I see it. It will 345 00:17:22,440 --> 00:17:23,640 Speaker 1: probably work itself out. 346 00:17:24,359 --> 00:17:25,760 Speaker 2: And not to cut you off with the other thing 347 00:17:25,840 --> 00:17:29,280 Speaker 2: is it's not like it's not like a guy on 348 00:17:29,359 --> 00:17:33,680 Speaker 2: a cheap deal that any team can just absorb at 349 00:17:33,680 --> 00:17:36,199 Speaker 2: this point in the year. You know, like two for 350 00:17:36,359 --> 00:17:38,600 Speaker 2: he wouldn't get two for thirty six on the open market. 351 00:17:38,640 --> 00:17:41,320 Speaker 2: So you have to take on some of that. And 352 00:17:41,359 --> 00:17:44,679 Speaker 2: there's you know, a team that's already at its budget, 353 00:17:44,680 --> 00:17:46,000 Speaker 2: it's not going to be able to take on eight 354 00:17:46,080 --> 00:17:48,040 Speaker 2: or nine more, even if you split it in half, 355 00:17:48,119 --> 00:17:51,200 Speaker 2: like they're just not. So that's a huge factor. If 356 00:17:51,200 --> 00:17:53,639 Speaker 2: you're the Red Sox. You know, you saw they had 357 00:17:53,640 --> 00:17:57,840 Speaker 2: to attach David Sandlin to Jordan Hicks. Are you attaching 358 00:17:58,000 --> 00:18:00,199 Speaker 2: I don't know. I'll throw a kind of that second year. 359 00:18:00,680 --> 00:18:03,840 Speaker 2: You know, are you attaching Mikey Romero to Masa at 360 00:18:03,840 --> 00:18:06,480 Speaker 2: this point when Massa is a useful player? Like, probably 361 00:18:06,480 --> 00:18:08,679 Speaker 2: not and you know, probab maybe somebody even better than 362 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:12,360 Speaker 2: Romero is. And you know, to me, like, I think 363 00:18:12,400 --> 00:18:14,359 Speaker 2: they've viewed a lot of there's a lot of worse 364 00:18:14,359 --> 00:18:18,800 Speaker 2: outcomes than just keeping him and having him be the 365 00:18:18,840 --> 00:18:23,119 Speaker 2: fifth outfielder and stuff like that. But I'm sure they 366 00:18:23,160 --> 00:18:25,640 Speaker 2: don't mind the fact he's sitting homers in the WBC. 367 00:18:26,840 --> 00:18:30,159 Speaker 2: But you know, it's it's one of those things that 368 00:18:30,200 --> 00:18:32,720 Speaker 2: it's just going to be a storyline until until the 369 00:18:32,760 --> 00:18:34,000 Speaker 2: next few drops. 370 00:18:34,520 --> 00:18:36,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, and it's not even just the WBC. 371 00:18:36,720 --> 00:18:40,080 Speaker 1: I think people forget. He was very good in September 372 00:18:40,160 --> 00:18:42,439 Speaker 1: last year, came up with a big hit in the postseason. 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You know Jaron Duran, 401 00:19:52,040 --> 00:19:54,600 Speaker 1: when it comes to him, you know, very dynamic players. 402 00:19:54,600 --> 00:19:56,399 Speaker 1: Still obviously you know some of the numbers took a 403 00:19:56,400 --> 00:19:59,600 Speaker 1: bit of a dip last year against Leftis the slash 404 00:19:59,640 --> 00:20:04,680 Speaker 1: line dropped overall last year, WRC plus dropped overall last year. 405 00:20:04,720 --> 00:20:08,399 Speaker 1: But looks like he has turned a bit of a 406 00:20:08,480 --> 00:20:11,720 Speaker 1: corner this spring, Korra saying, looking like a new man, 407 00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:14,399 Speaker 1: looking like the bat is just looking a lot better. 408 00:20:14,760 --> 00:20:16,880 Speaker 1: There's a bit of a change in his swing, more 409 00:20:16,960 --> 00:20:20,080 Speaker 1: so of a one handed follow through. Now, what are 410 00:20:20,119 --> 00:20:24,800 Speaker 1: you gauging on, just Jaron Duran right now, just based 411 00:20:24,840 --> 00:20:27,240 Speaker 1: off what you're seeing and what others are saying as well. 412 00:20:28,080 --> 00:20:30,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean the approach against lefties is definitely encouraging. 413 00:20:30,800 --> 00:20:34,119 Speaker 2: Chapman in the backfield, like I said, and then he 414 00:20:34,240 --> 00:20:36,400 Speaker 2: was getting rockets off him. It was either a homer 415 00:20:36,480 --> 00:20:39,399 Speaker 2: or ground rule double the last one there and then Sale, 416 00:20:39,520 --> 00:20:41,040 Speaker 2: you know, hung a pitch and he hit it out, 417 00:20:41,080 --> 00:20:43,359 Speaker 2: and then the two against Boyd the other day. He 418 00:20:43,400 --> 00:20:45,680 Speaker 2: just looks more comfortable. And is it pats against lefties 419 00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:49,000 Speaker 2: And you know, it's easy to say, he, you know, 420 00:20:49,560 --> 00:20:52,679 Speaker 2: is going to be unbelievable on March twelfth. For me, 421 00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:56,680 Speaker 2: like it could be a real sign of things to come. 422 00:20:56,680 --> 00:20:58,879 Speaker 2: And I think it is really encouraging. It could be 423 00:20:58,880 --> 00:21:02,000 Speaker 2: another really small stamp size exhibition season type thing. But 424 00:21:03,320 --> 00:21:05,720 Speaker 2: it's I think a big year for Jaron in a 425 00:21:05,800 --> 00:21:09,879 Speaker 2: lot of ways. You know, like the industry is pretty 426 00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:12,480 Speaker 2: split on what his value can be. Is it that, 427 00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:14,720 Speaker 2: you know, like superstar from two years ago or just 428 00:21:14,760 --> 00:21:17,159 Speaker 2: pretty good player? But I think last year, you know, 429 00:21:17,240 --> 00:21:19,600 Speaker 2: looking back at it now and looking at the numbers, 430 00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:22,639 Speaker 2: the numbers suggest it was way better than if you 431 00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:25,400 Speaker 2: watched it every day, And I think that's a testament 432 00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:28,719 Speaker 2: to kind of the talent level really where he's piling 433 00:21:28,800 --> 00:21:31,560 Speaker 2: up numbers. He's a four something more player and if 434 00:21:31,560 --> 00:21:34,040 Speaker 2: you watched it, you're like, oh, this wasn't great, But 435 00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:38,840 Speaker 2: you know, that suggests a really high floor. And I 436 00:21:38,840 --> 00:21:40,920 Speaker 2: think in a perfect world they probably would have traded him, 437 00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:43,600 Speaker 2: but they weren't able to get the value they wanted, 438 00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:46,480 Speaker 2: and here we are. It'll be interesting to see though, 439 00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:49,480 Speaker 2: you know, how much he's in the field to me, 440 00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:53,199 Speaker 2: I you know, they they seem to really want to 441 00:21:53,240 --> 00:21:55,840 Speaker 2: put Anthony and left a lot of the time, and 442 00:21:55,920 --> 00:21:57,840 Speaker 2: that suggests that Duran's going to be your DH a 443 00:21:57,880 --> 00:22:00,720 Speaker 2: lot of the time, which for a guy that has 444 00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:02,880 Speaker 2: had really good years in the outfield and really good 445 00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:07,560 Speaker 2: months and really good scratches, I think you know that 446 00:22:07,560 --> 00:22:09,920 Speaker 2: that's really interesting, but again just a product or where 447 00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:10,720 Speaker 2: they are with the roster. 448 00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:13,959 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, and like you were saying earlier, you know, 449 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:16,600 Speaker 1: of course you would love to keep Seti on center field, 450 00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:19,000 Speaker 1: but could you see a scenario where maybe he ends 451 00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:21,680 Speaker 1: up playing a little second base Sometimes Duran has shown 452 00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:24,399 Speaker 1: to be better defensively out in center field, so I 453 00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:27,240 Speaker 1: don't know, maybe you could work in that somehow, some way. 454 00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:29,880 Speaker 1: But yeah, like you said, it is a big year 455 00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:33,640 Speaker 1: for Jaron Duran. Another guy also a big year for him, 456 00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:36,879 Speaker 1: a guy that has had trouble staying on the field 457 00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:40,040 Speaker 1: in his pro career up to this point. And I'd 458 00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:42,679 Speaker 1: say he's the biggest talking point of this spring for 459 00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:45,280 Speaker 1: the Red Sox, and that's Marcelo Meyer. Korra just for 460 00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:48,879 Speaker 1: the people getting caught up saying, you know, hasn't fully 461 00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:51,280 Speaker 1: you know, he's got to earn it, right, He's not 462 00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:54,960 Speaker 1: gonna just get handed the position at second base. It's 463 00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:57,040 Speaker 1: looking like Caleb Durban is probably going to be the 464 00:22:57,040 --> 00:23:00,960 Speaker 1: third baseman. So but with Meyer obviously lots of talent 465 00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:04,919 Speaker 1: with him, but Cora isn't really saying, hey, he's an 466 00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:08,280 Speaker 1: everyday player at this point, and I don't know there's 467 00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:12,159 Speaker 1: question marks that are starting to arise with what the 468 00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:16,000 Speaker 1: situation is there. What's your read on what's going on 469 00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:16,360 Speaker 1: with that? 470 00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:21,159 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I think a few different things on this. 471 00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:24,800 Speaker 2: In the absence of real news or real controversy, I 472 00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:27,560 Speaker 2: think people have obsessed over this whole thing for a 473 00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:31,200 Speaker 2: little reason. I would say it's more and much ado 474 00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:35,440 Speaker 2: about nothing than than a real thing. And I say 475 00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:38,719 Speaker 2: that because Number one, this is how big league teams 476 00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:42,000 Speaker 2: treat young players. Like they would be dumb to come 477 00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:45,560 Speaker 2: out and say, you're the starting second baseman, go over 478 00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:47,959 Speaker 2: eighty in camp, and we'll still see you in Cincinnati. 479 00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:51,719 Speaker 2: Like what are they going to say? You know, Like, 480 00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:55,000 Speaker 2: so that's how you challenge a young player. You know, 481 00:23:55,119 --> 00:23:56,800 Speaker 2: they did it with the three of them last year. 482 00:23:56,920 --> 00:23:58,920 Speaker 2: They did it with young players, you know in narbias 483 00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:02,000 Speaker 2: and stuff last year. They'll do it right along. The 484 00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:04,240 Speaker 2: message is probably the same. They're early and totally even 485 00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:06,760 Speaker 2: though their chances of making the opening day roster are 486 00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:10,000 Speaker 2: worse because of the depth in their spots. But I 487 00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:11,960 Speaker 2: think that and the other thing is I think it's 488 00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:15,880 Speaker 2: just a little bit of Korra being contrarian with with 489 00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:19,159 Speaker 2: us on the beat that specific day where you know, 490 00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:21,399 Speaker 2: people were saying like, when are you going to decide 491 00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:24,000 Speaker 2: if it's Meyer between where Meyer and Derbert are going 492 00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:28,040 Speaker 2: to play? And he basically was like, whoa, you know, like, 493 00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:30,520 Speaker 2: let's let's you know, pump the brakes a little bit. 494 00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:34,720 Speaker 2: I we haven't promised him anything. And a lot of 495 00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:38,800 Speaker 2: it's like, you know, the messaging to the players as 496 00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:41,560 Speaker 2: of right now, they're telling I don't want to pick 497 00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:43,280 Speaker 2: a random guy out of a hat because I don't 498 00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:47,840 Speaker 2: you know, they're telling why Old and Nathan Hickey and 499 00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:51,560 Speaker 2: those guys, like they're not telling them, you know, hey, 500 00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:53,920 Speaker 2: you're going to be here for another week. They're telling 501 00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:55,640 Speaker 2: them you have a chance to make the opening day roster. 502 00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:57,440 Speaker 2: Now do we think either of those guys is going 503 00:24:57,480 --> 00:25:00,159 Speaker 2: to No, But they're in the spirit of competition and 504 00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:03,880 Speaker 2: the spirit of, you know, trying to get the most 505 00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:06,160 Speaker 2: out of these guys. Everybody's here to earn a spot 506 00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:08,240 Speaker 2: until you're sent down to minor league camp. You're in 507 00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:10,040 Speaker 2: the mix for that. Right now, they have sixty guys 508 00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:12,520 Speaker 2: in that mix. Obviously you can read the tea leave 509 00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:15,800 Speaker 2: and see who is and who isn't. So yeah, I 510 00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:17,760 Speaker 2: think that was part of it, and I just think, 511 00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:21,120 Speaker 2: you know, nothing's promised to a young player like that. 512 00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:23,840 Speaker 2: I still think he's going to be the opening day 513 00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:26,800 Speaker 2: you know, second basement, but I do think that they 514 00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:28,439 Speaker 2: are going to platoon him, and I think they're going 515 00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:30,159 Speaker 2: to find a way to do that even in the 516 00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:34,439 Speaker 2: absence of romeing Gonzalez. They just the metrics and the 517 00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:37,159 Speaker 2: video and everything suggests is at bats against the Myers 518 00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:42,680 Speaker 2: at bats against lefties are not not. That's the quality 519 00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:45,439 Speaker 2: they want. And if they do this with you know, 520 00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:48,639 Speaker 2: Devers and Willier and Duran and all these guys over 521 00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:51,760 Speaker 2: the years, why not keep doing it with Meyer And 522 00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:54,760 Speaker 2: they have some guys that they like the at bats 523 00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:57,119 Speaker 2: against lefties. Romeo obviously would be the perfect one, but 524 00:25:57,240 --> 00:26:00,760 Speaker 2: Monasterio or so guard here and there, or maybe they 525 00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:02,960 Speaker 2: pick up somebody at the deadline. You know, that's just 526 00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:05,920 Speaker 2: a place where they want to get that a little advantage. 527 00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:10,359 Speaker 2: So that's I think an overblown thing other than the platooning. 528 00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:13,160 Speaker 2: And I also think my last point on this would 529 00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:17,200 Speaker 2: be like, if he's no guarantee to make the opening 530 00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:21,639 Speaker 2: day roster, like, what what is your other option? Really? 531 00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:23,960 Speaker 2: Because I don't think anybody thinks that parades, trades or 532 00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:25,760 Speaker 2: any of that stuff's going to further shake it up. 533 00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:32,080 Speaker 2: But like, what what is the other option? Internally? Are 534 00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:36,040 Speaker 2: you going to give IKF four hundred and fifty plate appearances? Right? Like? No, 535 00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:40,600 Speaker 2: so again, I think in a in a busier camp 536 00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:43,439 Speaker 2: with more news and more to talk about, maybe this 537 00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:47,000 Speaker 2: gets overshouted a little bit more. It is not. But 538 00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:49,200 Speaker 2: I don't think the Red Sox are down on Meyer 539 00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:51,679 Speaker 2: as a person or as a player as much as 540 00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:53,600 Speaker 2: people would like to make you think out there. 541 00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:56,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree. I do think it's more of like 542 00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:59,560 Speaker 1: a like a t Leave situation where we're all experts 543 00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:03,440 Speaker 1: behind our phones tweeting and everything, and you know, yeah, 544 00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:06,560 Speaker 1: you're looking at it from a roster construction point of view, thinking, oh, well, 545 00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:08,720 Speaker 1: of course, you know it's got to be Meyer, right, 546 00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:12,480 Speaker 1: But you know, I try to think, and the more 547 00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:15,280 Speaker 1: I've been covering the Red Sox, the more I try 548 00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:18,399 Speaker 1: to think about it from a front office perspective and 549 00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:21,160 Speaker 1: Alex Cora perspective. You know, they're looking at they're looking 550 00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:24,239 Speaker 1: at twenty six guys that can help you go win 551 00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:26,200 Speaker 1: a world series, and I think Meyer is just part 552 00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:28,200 Speaker 1: of He's part of the solution in the. 553 00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:30,800 Speaker 2: End, probably looking at like you're looking at like fifty guys, 554 00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:32,879 Speaker 2: and you know that's how many people are going to 555 00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:36,040 Speaker 2: contribute during the year. And you know, I'd be shocked 556 00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:37,919 Speaker 2: if he wasn't one of the twenty sixth and Cincinnati. 557 00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:40,879 Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree. I think it's just uh, you know, 558 00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:43,400 Speaker 1: and with Cora, you know, he likes the matchups and everything, 559 00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:46,480 Speaker 1: and you know, doing the platoons splitting playing time, He'll 560 00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:48,520 Speaker 1: be involved in some way, shape or form. So I'm 561 00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:51,159 Speaker 1: not really uh, not really worried about that. But I 562 00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:52,680 Speaker 1: got to ask you before you get out of here. 563 00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:55,280 Speaker 1: Obviously you've been doing a great job, you know with 564 00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:58,720 Speaker 1: mass Live over the years now, and every year you're 565 00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:02,200 Speaker 1: looking for some good stories to cover, you know, you're 566 00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:05,679 Speaker 1: looking for different topics to really chew into. For the 567 00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:08,359 Speaker 1: twenty twenty six Red Sox, I got to ask you, 568 00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:10,800 Speaker 1: you know, what are some topics that you're intrigued with, 569 00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:13,480 Speaker 1: you know, covering for this year. Who are some players 570 00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:16,720 Speaker 1: that you're hoping to maybe get a SoundBite out of 571 00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:18,280 Speaker 1: or whatever it may be. You know, what are you 572 00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:19,879 Speaker 1: looking to cover this year for the Red Sox. 573 00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:26,159 Speaker 2: I'm fascinated by just a career trajectory of Tristan Cassus 574 00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:31,879 Speaker 2: always because he has this ability and rubs some people 575 00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:35,520 Speaker 2: the wrong way. I think for me it's I admire 576 00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:38,160 Speaker 2: the hell out of it. He has the ability to 577 00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:41,280 Speaker 2: just you go up to him, you ask him something, 578 00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:45,920 Speaker 2: and he just tells you whatever he's truly thinking, which 579 00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:49,800 Speaker 2: is really refreshing. I understand why other guys are more guarded, 580 00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:52,040 Speaker 2: but I love when they're not. You were there at 581 00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:55,920 Speaker 2: Benwayfest when he said Wilson Guteris is a better player 582 00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:57,560 Speaker 2: than me and has been his whole career. Why wouldn't 583 00:28:57,560 --> 00:28:59,240 Speaker 2: they make that trade. There's not many guys in the 584 00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:03,080 Speaker 2: league that would say that out loud, you know. So 585 00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:08,719 Speaker 2: that's a fascinating one, I think for sure. And you know, 586 00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:14,000 Speaker 2: I think it'll be a really interesting story. Who emerges 587 00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:18,120 Speaker 2: as you know, the number two really behind Crochet? Is 588 00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:21,640 Speaker 2: it or As? Is it Gray? Or is it some 589 00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:24,120 Speaker 2: wild card that we're not thinking about. I'm very high 590 00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:26,480 Speaker 2: on Cutter Crawford, even though he's not gonna be ready 591 00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:29,480 Speaker 2: for opening day. I think O Viedo they are really 592 00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:32,560 Speaker 2: intrigued and impressed by And that's not even getting to 593 00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:36,280 Speaker 2: the early and totally part of the conversation and so 594 00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:39,520 Speaker 2: you know they have enough depth or even if Suarez 595 00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:41,680 Speaker 2: his first year here doesn't go great, or even if 596 00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:44,520 Speaker 2: Gray ends up being kind of a bust, which you know, 597 00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:47,120 Speaker 2: if pictures are fickle, right, if those things happen, then 598 00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:49,080 Speaker 2: they could still be okay because you could find another 599 00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:52,480 Speaker 2: number two from that group. And then looking down the line. 600 00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:56,880 Speaker 2: And I did a pod with Jake Eggy yesterday and 601 00:29:57,280 --> 00:30:00,080 Speaker 2: no one could pronounce his full less thing, and I 602 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:02,840 Speaker 2: I was talking about just a story for our down 603 00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:07,000 Speaker 2: the line. Like the trade deadline, I think Bresla has 604 00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:11,960 Speaker 2: a real real amount of pressure if they are in it, 605 00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:14,400 Speaker 2: to have a good trade deadline, because the first two 606 00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:17,880 Speaker 2: were horrible. I mean that's something that in the in 607 00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:21,960 Speaker 2: the Dever's talk and signing Bragman and he neiled Crochet 608 00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:24,840 Speaker 2: and that deal and the extensions and everything, the two 609 00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:27,320 Speaker 2: trade deadlines have been really a visible I mean the 610 00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:29,160 Speaker 2: first year was a bunch of spare parts. None of 611 00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:31,560 Speaker 2: them were good. Last year it was May and Matts 612 00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:34,800 Speaker 2: and it was terrible. And so I think, you know, 613 00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:37,479 Speaker 2: we're what four months away from that, four months and 614 00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:39,680 Speaker 2: four and a half months. To me, that'll be a 615 00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:43,080 Speaker 2: really interesting storyline if they'll really be aggressive and get 616 00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:45,320 Speaker 2: real bona fide big leaguers to help, because you can 617 00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:47,400 Speaker 2: see you don't have to look farther back than you 618 00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:49,640 Speaker 2: know Schwarburn twenty one are of all the in Pierson 619 00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:52,000 Speaker 2: eighteen to see what a difference even rentals and older 620 00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:55,000 Speaker 2: guys can make. So I think that's I'm going to 621 00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:57,160 Speaker 2: be eyeing that deadline for months to come. As I 622 00:30:57,200 --> 00:30:59,479 Speaker 2: sit here on March twelfth, then already start talking about it. 623 00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:02,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, me too, And as a guy that does YouTube 624 00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:04,680 Speaker 1: full time, you know, that's one of my busiest times 625 00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:06,640 Speaker 1: of the year. So that's gonna be big for me. 626 00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:09,200 Speaker 1: You know, a couple other guys I'm very interested in, 627 00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:12,520 Speaker 1: More so the group of young players seeing like what 628 00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:15,320 Speaker 1: is is Roman going to be an MVP candidate this year? 629 00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:18,680 Speaker 1: I feel like people they're almost looking at him in 630 00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:20,960 Speaker 1: that light. You know, he's just getting so much praise 631 00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:25,320 Speaker 1: and upside for days with him. You're looking at Brian Bayo. 632 00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:29,040 Speaker 1: You know Brian Bao in the four spot now, you know, 633 00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:31,800 Speaker 1: people comparing him to Patro years back. You know, what's 634 00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:34,120 Speaker 1: he going to be looking like here? But I also 635 00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:38,280 Speaker 1: agree on Tristan Cassus one of my favorite stories. It 636 00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:43,320 Speaker 1: was the first time where I got credentials to pregame, 637 00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:45,360 Speaker 1: you know, for batting practice and everything to get a 638 00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:48,360 Speaker 1: few interviews. I had no idea what I was doing. 639 00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:50,800 Speaker 1: I'm sure you remember your first time. I felt like 640 00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:53,479 Speaker 1: a fish out of water. I'm just standing there with 641 00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:58,160 Speaker 1: my phone which I used to record tripod by myself, 642 00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:01,680 Speaker 1: not knowing what to do the timing of everything, and 643 00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:06,320 Speaker 1: Cassas runs By didn't realize he's running over to first 644 00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:08,960 Speaker 1: base because he was more so running down the line 645 00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:12,520 Speaker 1: at first than he curved across the infield. But as 646 00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:15,920 Speaker 1: he was running down the line, I yelled. I yelled out. 647 00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:18,520 Speaker 1: I was like, hey, Tristan, you got two minutes. And 648 00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:23,240 Speaker 1: he looked dead at me, right in the eyes, great face, 649 00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:27,080 Speaker 1: and he just said no. And I was like, okay, perfect. 650 00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:30,400 Speaker 1: And then but I'm so I'm thinking, god, okay, well 651 00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:34,040 Speaker 1: that was rough. And then fifteen minutes later he comes 652 00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:36,160 Speaker 1: running over to me. He's like, hey, you still got 653 00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:38,360 Speaker 1: time for the interview. I was like, oh, okay, so 654 00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:40,480 Speaker 1: you don't hate me, okay, perfect, all right, let's do it. 655 00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:42,800 Speaker 1: And then he gave me the longest one out of 656 00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:45,880 Speaker 1: all the guys I spoke to, so I think he's 657 00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:50,240 Speaker 1: a misunderstood person. I think he's very, very intriguing to 658 00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:53,480 Speaker 1: listen to, very excited to see what he does this coming. 659 00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:55,960 Speaker 2: Year, so they can only find it that's for him. 660 00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:59,240 Speaker 1: Absolutely, absolutely well, Chris, I want to thank you again. 661 00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:02,520 Speaker 1: What is this the fourth? Is this the fourth time 662 00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:03,040 Speaker 1: you've come on? 663 00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:04,840 Speaker 2: A fourth? Yeah? Three or four? 664 00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:06,040 Speaker 1: Something like that. 665 00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:07,640 Speaker 2: I was gonna say six or not, going to make 666 00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:09,360 Speaker 2: you do the hand thing, but I'll withhold. 667 00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:12,720 Speaker 1: I know, I know Sean. We'll save that for Sean. 668 00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:15,440 Speaker 1: But uh yeah, if there is a Hall of Fame 669 00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:17,280 Speaker 1: at some point, you're you're gonna be one of the 670 00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:19,840 Speaker 1: first people, if not the first, in there. So thank 671 00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:22,320 Speaker 1: you for coming on, my friend. You appreciate you. I 672 00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:24,719 Speaker 1: know most people know where to find you, but just 673 00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:26,640 Speaker 1: in case, let them know where can they find you? 674 00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:31,600 Speaker 2: Chris Catillo on Twitter and ex not Katillo and go 675 00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:32,200 Speaker 2: to Italy. 676 00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:36,560 Speaker 1: Go to Italy. Get your espresso ready. I think this 677 00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:38,920 Speaker 1: is gonna be pretty fun. So everybody, thank you for 678 00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:39,600 Speaker 1: joining here today. 679 00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:40,400 Speaker 2: The kind of the way out. 680 00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:42,760 Speaker 1: Hit the like button, subscribe if you're new, and we'll 681 00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:43,560 Speaker 1: talk to you next time.