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Speaker 1: Calling all my sweetish to the forefront.

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Speaker 2: I'm your host, Christians, and this is to keep it positive.

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Speaker 1: Sweetish show.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to keep it positive. Swede the place where we heal,

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Speaker 2: grow and learn together. Today's guest is pastor, author and

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Speaker 2: thought leader whose work challenges us to slow down, tune.

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Speaker 1: In, and trust the voice within. With his new book, Knowing.

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Speaker 2: The Journey to Certainty in an Uncertain World, he invites

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Speaker 2: us into a deeper understanding of clarity, discernment, and what

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Speaker 2: it really means to trust ourselves in.

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Speaker 1: A world full of noise.

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Speaker 2: I am so glad to be sitting down with Terray Roberts.

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Speaker 2: Today's guest is someone whose message goes beyond inspiration.

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Speaker 1: It's about transformation.

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Speaker 2: Known for his ability to break down complex spiritual truths

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Speaker 2: into something practical and personal, he's helped so many people

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Speaker 2: navigate identity, purpose, and inner clarity. In his new book,

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Speaker 2: Knowing the Journey to Certainty and an Uncertain World, he

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Speaker 2: explores what it looks like to move through life with certainty,

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Speaker 2: not because everything is figured out, but because you've learned

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Speaker 2: how to trust what's already inside of you. This conversation

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Speaker 2: isn't just about answers. It's about what happens when you

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Speaker 2: learn to listen differently. Kid's family, please give a very one.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Terrey Roberts, Terray, how.

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Speaker 3: You doing great?

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Speaker 1: You are here. We had Sarah on before.

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Speaker 3: And it was at the house.

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Speaker 1: At the house we moved. You know, we've elevated, We've evolved.

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Speaker 3: Clearly.

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Speaker 2: No, it was one of those things where the podcast

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Speaker 2: grew so much, and you know, home is your safe space.

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Speaker 1: So I had to find a place where.

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Speaker 2: People can bring their crew and the posse whoever they

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Speaker 2: want to bring, and I not feel like when I

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Speaker 3: Yes, understood, listen start you know.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, I love it. And God has been so

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Speaker 2: good what he's done with this platform. But I want

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Speaker 2: to talk about you. You are doing so many amazing things,

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Speaker 2: got a new book, your podcast.

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Speaker 1: I feel like.

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Speaker 2: How I see you now and the way you are

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Speaker 2: showing up in our community is not just from the

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Speaker 2: ministry lens.

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Speaker 1: What made you say I'm going.

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Speaker 2: To step out and really like focus on all these

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Speaker 2: other talents and gifts that I had to actually serve

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's amazing. I am. Many may not know this,

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Speaker 3: I'm a tech entrepreneur. And so for me, even starting

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Speaker 3: impact that Christ was having in my life. So I

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Speaker 3: got really touched. In two thousand and I started talking

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Speaker 3: to all my friends in business. They started getting touched

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Speaker 3: I can touch fifty people, one hundred people, and then

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Speaker 3: it became thousands and more. So but I realized that

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Speaker 3: there are people who are called not just to church,

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Speaker 2: And then you went to have one church, La, which

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Speaker 2: is where I was first introduced to you. And every

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Speaker 2: send a lot of people there to them, like you're

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Speaker 2: looking for a church, because I'm like you and living

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Speaker 2: it's so many distractions in Los Angeles, so you need

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Speaker 3: I think that when people think about a calling automatically

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Speaker 2: Be I love that That's so good because, like you said,

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Speaker 2: But there's so many things that you can that God

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Speaker 2: And I love that you are tapping into that and

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Speaker 2: letting people know, Hey, find your superpower.

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Speaker 1: Let's lean into that. I absolutely done that very well.

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Speaker 3: Because we Christal we need it. I need that scientist

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Speaker 3: I need that person. I need that creative person who

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Speaker 3: I need that person to see it as a calling

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Speaker 3: has this business acumen that can create systems. Business. Business

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Speaker 3: saying I'm the only one, but because I have that

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Speaker 2: So hearing this now, I can imagine how hands on

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Speaker 2: I feel like everything that you're talking about is already

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Speaker 1: How is that building that?

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Speaker 1: Your queen thrives.

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Speaker 3: It's beautiful.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I love that. I love that.

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Speaker 3: I am learning to have boundaries. You know, the phone

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, I'm glad you stuck to your guns.

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Speaker 2: And I believe that as she grows up and she's

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Speaker 3: Wow. Yeah, I never looked at it that way.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

441
00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:33,040
Speaker 2: But you also talked about how we can project how

442
00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:35,399
Speaker 2: we've been shaped and our experiences on our children.

443
00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:37,880
Speaker 1: You touch on that in the book. Let's talk about that.

444
00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:39,960
Speaker 2: That is so important because I do that even now

445
00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:43,080
Speaker 2: sometimes like with people that I mentor or my nieces

446
00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:44,680
Speaker 2: and nephews, and I was trying to protect them, and

447
00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:47,200
Speaker 2: it is a form of protection for us. But let's

448
00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:50,920
Speaker 2: talk about that and how you've had to kind of reshape.

449
00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:51,080
Speaker 1: How you do that.

450
00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:57,400
Speaker 3: It's funny bring this up. So my trauma that I'm

451
00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:00,760
Speaker 3: realizing was a lot deeper than I thought it was.

452
00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:08,080
Speaker 3: It's a lot deeper, and I'm finally actually beyond intellectually

453
00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:11,840
Speaker 3: processing it, really processing it at a soul level and

454
00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:16,600
Speaker 3: doing the work. So LA, for me, LA is I

455
00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:19,440
Speaker 3: actually wrote a little song about La, which I'm gonna

456
00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:22,040
Speaker 3: send it to you one day, but l A, I

457
00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:25,919
Speaker 3: love LA. But you know in the song, I talk

458
00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:28,720
Speaker 3: about how La broke my heart a lot of times,

459
00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:31,600
Speaker 3: and I broke her heart too, And you know, I

460
00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:35,159
Speaker 3: got shot in l A. I was exposed to a

461
00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:38,879
Speaker 3: lot of things in LA, and so I have I

462
00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:41,960
Speaker 3: do have trauma from some of the things that I

463
00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:46,720
Speaker 3: experienced growing up. And I started in Watts and before

464
00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:50,359
Speaker 3: and I started in Watch and I live very far

465
00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:56,000
Speaker 3: away from Watts in the mountains. So my life reflects

466
00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:59,280
Speaker 3: my journey in LA reflects me pushing further and further

467
00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:02,920
Speaker 3: and further away. You know, almost literally, you literally can't

468
00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:04,840
Speaker 3: go any further away in LA than where my house is.

469
00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:10,920
Speaker 3: And my son came to me, he was in Corporate

470
00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:14,040
Speaker 3: America and he said, you know, I feel called to

471
00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:16,679
Speaker 3: leave corporate America and I'm gonna really trust God about

472
00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:20,520
Speaker 3: where he's gonna send me next. And that was about

473
00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:23,679
Speaker 3: a month ago. And then he pulled me into the

474
00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:27,760
Speaker 3: to a conversation the other day and he's like, hey, Dad,

475
00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:31,280
Speaker 3: so I feel like, you know, I'm called to move

476
00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:35,160
Speaker 3: back to LA. He lives with us in Dallas and

477
00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:39,320
Speaker 3: Crystal I was like, because the city it feels I mean,

478
00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:42,159
Speaker 3: La is great, but anyone who's there knows that the

479
00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:43,280
Speaker 3: city feels a little different.

480
00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:43,800
Speaker 1: It does.

481
00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:47,040
Speaker 3: It doesn't feel as abundant as it used to. I

482
00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:49,800
Speaker 3: got scared. I got scared, and it pulled up some

483
00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:52,679
Speaker 3: trauma like it was really a trigger for me. But

484
00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:54,960
Speaker 3: what I did do in that moment was, even though

485
00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:57,280
Speaker 3: he can see it in my face, I said, if

486
00:25:57,280 --> 00:26:00,239
Speaker 3: God told you to do that, you know you you

487
00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:02,640
Speaker 3: have to do it now. That's what I said to him.

488
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:06,040
Speaker 3: And I wanted to given that, but inside I was

489
00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:12,119
Speaker 3: a mess. But I do know I don't have perfect

490
00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:18,480
Speaker 3: theology on my kid's destiny. Only only God does. I

491
00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:22,280
Speaker 3: don't know. There's certain things that I'm blinded by because

492
00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:25,199
Speaker 3: of my love, and so I have to trust that

493
00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:28,119
Speaker 3: the God who took care of me, who kept me

494
00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:31,720
Speaker 3: and protected me, will keep and protect all my children

495
00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:35,640
Speaker 3: in whatever path that he directs them on. And that's

496
00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:37,480
Speaker 3: a real conviction I have. And I just go back

497
00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:40,040
Speaker 3: and I cry in the Marriorim go ahead, throw up

498
00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:42,359
Speaker 3: or whatever. I got to do it, you know, but

499
00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:44,359
Speaker 3: I don't want to. I don't want to hinder them.

500
00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:46,720
Speaker 3: I don't want to be like Peter, you know, and

501
00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:49,679
Speaker 3: have to get rebuked by Jesus because Peter loves him

502
00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:52,760
Speaker 3: and he's saying, hey, you can't do that, and I

503
00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:56,000
Speaker 3: mean Jesus calls him satan. He says, get behind me, Satan.

504
00:26:56,520 --> 00:26:58,760
Speaker 3: So even though so I don't want to be Satan,

505
00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:01,480
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, calling it love and protection.

506
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:08,080
Speaker 1: Absolutely, that's good. I heard them. That is so good.

507
00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:10,000
Speaker 1: And I want to know.

508
00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:13,920
Speaker 2: You said, you're working and working through things and you're

509
00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:14,520
Speaker 2: doing the work.

510
00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:15,800
Speaker 1: What does that work look like for you?

511
00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:19,680
Speaker 3: Uh? Therapy? Yeah, therapy, I am. You know, I've done

512
00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:22,360
Speaker 3: therapy before, but I've never well, actually I was gonna

513
00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:25,479
Speaker 3: say I've never done trauma therapy. I tried this trauma

514
00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:28,639
Speaker 3: therapist before, and she touched something and I was like,

515
00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:33,760
Speaker 3: this is done. We ain't doing this no more. Uh,

516
00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:37,560
Speaker 3: you know, because you know you want to be in control. Yes,

517
00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:42,679
Speaker 3: but when I realized that my trauma can affect my

518
00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:47,080
Speaker 3: kids and can affect everything, my marriage, my life, my business,

519
00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:51,280
Speaker 3: yeah no, I want everything. I want all the tools.

520
00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:53,440
Speaker 3: I want all the tools, and so for me, yeah,

521
00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:56,040
Speaker 3: it's it's you know, I'm starting to starting therapy.

522
00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:56,880
Speaker 1: That's amazing.

523
00:27:57,200 --> 00:27:59,400
Speaker 2: I love that, And I think our Black men need

524
00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:01,760
Speaker 2: to hear more of it, to see people like them

525
00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:03,680
Speaker 2: that are thriving and they look at you.

526
00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:06,000
Speaker 1: And they're like, oh, they got it all together.

527
00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:08,480
Speaker 2: To know that you as well, like you're working through things,

528
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:11,600
Speaker 2: you're human, and that it's okay.

529
00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:12,280
Speaker 1: You know.

530
00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:14,440
Speaker 2: I think there's such a huge stigma, even though now

531
00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:17,199
Speaker 2: like more people talk about therapy. Well, I feel like

532
00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:21,160
Speaker 2: since COVID twenty twenty, we began to like really process

533
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:22,000
Speaker 2: our trauma.

534
00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:24,359
Speaker 1: And realize, oh, we're not okay, and we talked about it.

535
00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:26,640
Speaker 2: But I still feel like with our black men, there's

536
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:29,080
Speaker 2: still a little hesitancy when it comes to like sitting

537
00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:31,760
Speaker 2: down and talking to somebody. The black family has been

538
00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:33,880
Speaker 2: so quick to know we don't talk about our business.

539
00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:35,199
Speaker 1: We're not doing that, we're not touching that.

540
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:38,200
Speaker 2: We don't leave it alone, but we haven't healed from it,

541
00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:40,280
Speaker 2: and we keep carrying on generation and generation.

542
00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:42,640
Speaker 3: It's true, and we can't talk about it enough. We've

543
00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:44,720
Speaker 3: got great people that we all know and love that

544
00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:50,280
Speaker 3: are talking about this. But so I started therapy, you know,

545
00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:52,280
Speaker 3: I started therapy when I was going through my divorce

546
00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:53,960
Speaker 3: and all that kind of stuff, right, or trying to

547
00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:56,160
Speaker 3: figure out if it was gonna work, and then after

548
00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:58,600
Speaker 3: it right. But there are levels to it, and so

549
00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:01,320
Speaker 3: we need to continue to be reminded, like Yo, you

550
00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:05,680
Speaker 3: might have gotten free from that, but especially black men,

551
00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:09,040
Speaker 3: because we you know, we beat our chest, we pride

552
00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:12,880
Speaker 3: ourselves on what we can handle right, and yet if

553
00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:14,880
Speaker 3: we would go to therapy, we would actually be able

554
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:19,840
Speaker 3: to handle more. So we'd be stronger because we'd have

555
00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:26,040
Speaker 3: more tools, more agency, more opportunity, more vulnerability. I'm learning,

556
00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:30,360
Speaker 3: Like I gotta tell you this story. Yes, Sarah came

557
00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:35,920
Speaker 3: to me. She had watched some documentary about men in

558
00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:40,960
Speaker 3: general and how we have to be tough and hard,

559
00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:43,400
Speaker 3: and there was certainly a lot of black men in

560
00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:46,440
Speaker 3: that documentary and it awakened her, like her and she

561
00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:48,160
Speaker 3: was passing around to her friends. So she came to

562
00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:52,160
Speaker 3: me and she's like, baby, I'm so sorry, you know,

563
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:54,800
Speaker 3: like what what you've gone through and what you had

564
00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:58,560
Speaker 3: to be I'm come here, come here. I pushed her away.

565
00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:02,840
Speaker 3: I'm like, babe, what do you like? Don't don't patriotize me,

566
00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:06,000
Speaker 3: like you know, and and and she wasn't. The intention

567
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:11,600
Speaker 3: was good. I was just so unhold that I couldn't

568
00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:12,960
Speaker 3: even perceive.

569
00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:16,880
Speaker 1: The value in that her seeing you.

570
00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:20,960
Speaker 3: Fast forward to me being in this new season where

571
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:25,120
Speaker 3: I'm like split open dealing with my trauma, and I

572
00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:27,360
Speaker 3: went and I said, Babe, I said, oh, you an apology,

573
00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:30,200
Speaker 3: you know, because like, you know, this thing with my

574
00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:33,600
Speaker 3: son really opened stuff up, and I need that hug.

575
00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:36,000
Speaker 3: I need her to like, you know, I need her

576
00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:39,760
Speaker 3: to wrap me up because you know, vulnerability, the initial

577
00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:42,719
Speaker 3: feeling is lack of control.

578
00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:44,560
Speaker 1: Felt like, oh my god, and.

579
00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:47,840
Speaker 3: She's my safe place, you know. And so I said, babe,

580
00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:49,520
Speaker 3: you know what, you remember a couple of months ago

581
00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:51,400
Speaker 3: when you came to me and you were like, come here,

582
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:52,760
Speaker 3: I want to hug you. And I kind of like

583
00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:55,480
Speaker 3: rejected that because it felt like, you know, I didn't

584
00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:58,080
Speaker 3: understand I said, first of all, I'm sorry, I said,

585
00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:00,960
Speaker 3: I get it now, you know, and that hug, I

586
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:02,360
Speaker 3: need that right about now.

587
00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:08,080
Speaker 2: I love the accountability and that's important in relationships.

588
00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:10,840
Speaker 3: Yes, that is so important, and you make listen, we're

589
00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:12,920
Speaker 3: gonna make a mistake, just own it.

590
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:15,960
Speaker 2: That is you know, you were having a human moment

591
00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:18,480
Speaker 2: when she even said that from things that you hadn't

592
00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:18,880
Speaker 2: dealt with.

593
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:22,600
Speaker 1: Yes, a knowing you know. Yes, that's good, that's really good.

594
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:23,600
Speaker 1: I love that.

595
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:26,720
Speaker 2: You open up in your book of talking about uncertainty

596
00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:29,720
Speaker 2: is everywhere. Yeah, not just in the world, but within us.

597
00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:32,880
Speaker 1: My goodness, and I can I can attest to that.

598
00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:34,120
Speaker 1: You said that we can be.

599
00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:38,440
Speaker 2: Wise and still feel lost, prayerful and still feel pressure.

600
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:40,560
Speaker 2: I want to know what does that actually look like

601
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:42,880
Speaker 2: when you have the faith, you have the wisdom and

602
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:46,719
Speaker 2: the experience, but you still don't feel sure about things.

603
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:50,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, I can tell you right now. We're not doing

604
00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:53,480
Speaker 3: And when I say we am talking about society, we're

605
00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:55,680
Speaker 3: not doing as well as we think we are. And

606
00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:59,920
Speaker 3: here's why we're managing. We are making do we're still working,

607
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:05,320
Speaker 3: we're not quitting. But we were not wired to experience

608
00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:13,240
Speaker 3: this level of consistent uncertainty. We literally we weren't built

609
00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:20,080
Speaker 3: for that. Even science shows that the brain craves predictability,

610
00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:25,080
Speaker 3: and when the brain does not have predictability, it starts

611
00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:29,280
Speaker 3: doing all kinds of stuff. First of all, the prefrontal cortex,

612
00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:32,400
Speaker 3: which is obviously where our creativity, our decision make comes from,

613
00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:37,000
Speaker 3: that shuts down. So in uncertainty, which is a time

614
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:39,840
Speaker 3: where you actually need your best foot forward, your best

615
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:44,280
Speaker 3: thought forward, that part of your brain shuts down. You

616
00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:48,440
Speaker 3: go into that fight flight freeze mode. So either you

617
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:53,880
Speaker 3: are stuck in paralysis and won't move because you got

618
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:56,000
Speaker 3: decision fatigue. Youre trying to figure out what is the

619
00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:59,240
Speaker 3: right decision, and since you can't predict it, you do nothing.

620
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:04,760
Speaker 3: You react from a place of fear. You're you're just

621
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:07,120
Speaker 3: reacting to things, and you make a decision, but it's

622
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:10,880
Speaker 3: not the best decision. We're not doing well and so

623
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:16,320
Speaker 3: so for me. And then again it's perpetual uncertainty. So

624
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:20,480
Speaker 3: it's so baseline is uncertainty, and that's a and that's

625
00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:22,280
Speaker 3: a big deal. And that's really one of the reasons

626
00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:25,280
Speaker 3: why I wrote this book, because I'm like, listen, we

627
00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:29,240
Speaker 3: cannot keep the world from being uncertain right, we cannot

628
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:35,040
Speaker 3: shield ourselves from the reality of us being inundated with

629
00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:41,720
Speaker 3: information that perpetuates this sense of uncertainty. I said, but

630
00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:44,480
Speaker 3: we can be grounded, yes, and we can be anchored

631
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:49,280
Speaker 3: in the middle of it, so that we can take

632
00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:52,560
Speaker 3: advantage of the opportunities. So can I just be a

633
00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:56,160
Speaker 3: preacher for a minute, please? So the scripture tall, everybody's

634
00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:59,560
Speaker 3: heard it. Everything that can be shaken Hebrews twelve. I'm paraphrasing,

635
00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:02,680
Speaker 3: every thing that can be shaken will be shaken. So

636
00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:06,680
Speaker 3: shaking shouldn't shake us, to be honest with you, because

637
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:08,279
Speaker 3: one of the things, I'm from California, so one of

638
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:11,719
Speaker 3: the things that when an earthquake happens, the ground is

639
00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:17,400
Speaker 3: never the same again. So we're praying for change. But

640
00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:21,840
Speaker 3: the process of change, like permanent change, often is about shaking.

641
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:26,719
Speaker 3: So I have to be able to think and see

642
00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:30,360
Speaker 3: clearly in the midst of the shaking, because I believe

643
00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:35,040
Speaker 3: that the shaking is the process of the tails becoming

644
00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:38,040
Speaker 3: the head. So here is the advantage of the believer.

645
00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:42,480
Speaker 3: The believer does not have to sorrow as those who

646
00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:45,520
Speaker 3: have no hope. In other words, we know that God

647
00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:49,120
Speaker 3: is causing all things to work together for good. A. B.

648
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:52,279
Speaker 3: We know that God is the last shelby first is

649
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:54,600
Speaker 3: causing those who were the tails to be the head.

650
00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:56,719
Speaker 3: But the only way that we're going to get there

651
00:34:57,239 --> 00:34:59,400
Speaker 3: is if we learn how to keep our heads yes,

652
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:02,799
Speaker 3: and be round it so that we can see the

653
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:07,960
Speaker 3: opportunity that is on the backdrop of the chaos. So

654
00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:10,640
Speaker 3: for me, that's what knowing is about. Knowing is about. Okay,

655
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:13,520
Speaker 3: let me, you know, let me figure out what's certain,

656
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:16,920
Speaker 3: Let me ground myself and what's certain, and let me

657
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:21,000
Speaker 3: allow let me recognize my knower, sharpen that knower and

658
00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:25,600
Speaker 3: use that nor so that I'm seeing clearly, which I'll

659
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:29,839
Speaker 3: keep going, which brings me into a leadership position. Right.

660
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:32,600
Speaker 3: You know, we got a leadership crisis in our world,

661
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:35,279
Speaker 3: certainly here you know we you know we have a

662
00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:40,360
Speaker 3: leadership crisis. Well, how do true leaders emerge? Leaders emerge

663
00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:44,359
Speaker 3: when they have clarity, right, when they have conviction, when

664
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:47,040
Speaker 3: they have solutions. That sets up the church to be

665
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:51,880
Speaker 3: the heads of nothing to do.

666
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:53,319
Speaker 1: So you feel me, I feel you.

667
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:56,600
Speaker 2: Yes, it's crazy you say that because I'm in the

668
00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:59,680
Speaker 2: Book of Jeremiah right now, and God has given him

669
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:01,880
Speaker 2: these these prophecies like go tell my people this, and

670
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:04,239
Speaker 2: go tell them this, and he's saying, this is what

671
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:06,160
Speaker 2: I'm about to bring a wreck in to this area,

672
00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:08,400
Speaker 2: like if my people don't get it right or turn away,

673
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:11,360
Speaker 2: and he talks about how I know the plans that

674
00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:12,960
Speaker 2: I have for you, plans to prosper you, not to

675
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:15,920
Speaker 2: harm you. And as I'm reading with everything that's going

676
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:18,279
Speaker 2: on in the world, I'm finding so much hope because

677
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:20,200
Speaker 2: I'm like, he's letting you know, I am gonna bring

678
00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:21,479
Speaker 2: my rath, but.

679
00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:23,440
Speaker 1: If you're with me, you ain't got to worry about it.

680
00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:25,440
Speaker 2: Yes, we find the hope and the comfort and the

681
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:28,200
Speaker 2: peace and that that's yeah, because there is.

682
00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:29,000
Speaker 1: So much uncertainty.

683
00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:31,120
Speaker 2: And I've been praying about certain things and I feel

684
00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:32,960
Speaker 2: like every time I pray about it, when I'm in

685
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:35,040
Speaker 2: my word, he's giving me answer.

686
00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:37,000
Speaker 1: I said, Brenda palm Er something yesterday Sprea shot.

687
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:39,000
Speaker 2: She says, you did to being the word, and I

688
00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:42,160
Speaker 2: was like about falls profits and there's this person. I've

689
00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:44,440
Speaker 2: been trying to figure out if she was real or not,

690
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:47,360
Speaker 2: you know, And Brendan was like, I don't know. I

691
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:49,239
Speaker 2: got I don't have a good feeling about it. So

692
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:52,399
Speaker 2: as I kept reading, I said, there's my answer right there.

693
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:54,880
Speaker 2: If I'm uneasy because God is not the author confusion,

694
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:57,359
Speaker 2: and I'm reading, I'm like, oh my goodness, Like God,

695
00:36:57,400 --> 00:36:58,440
Speaker 2: you just gave me the answer.

696
00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:00,680
Speaker 1: It's in't the word, it is right there.

697
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:03,239
Speaker 3: And then look for on that note, uh I look

698
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:06,719
Speaker 3: for pride, if a profit, even if you you you

699
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:10,839
Speaker 3: are seeing right, if somehow the attention gets back to

700
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:17,240
Speaker 3: you that or you just a prophet, should be humble.

701
00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:21,479
Speaker 3: You know, first of all, if you are tapping into

702
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:26,799
Speaker 3: God at the level of clarity that you are, you're

703
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:31,640
Speaker 3: gonna be very humble because you realize how how powerful

704
00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:37,719
Speaker 3: that opportunity is. And and you you just you you

705
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:40,719
Speaker 3: just lay flat to the ground because you know it

706
00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:43,719
Speaker 3: ain't you. So when it starts kind of pointing back

707
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:46,799
Speaker 3: to this and this arrogance, that's one of the first

708
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:49,759
Speaker 3: signs of my estimation that maybe you aren't a a

709
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:53,520
Speaker 3: false prophet, but you're an unhealthy prophet, and an unhealthy

710
00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:56,799
Speaker 3: prophet will be a false prophet. But but you you

711
00:37:56,840 --> 00:37:59,200
Speaker 3: were talking about all this stuff that's going on in

712
00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:02,120
Speaker 3: the world and how you're grounded even Jesus. In Matthew

713
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:05,480
Speaker 3: twenty four talked about how all these crazy things were

714
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:08,839
Speaker 3: going to happen, wars, rumors of war, ultimately what will

715
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:12,680
Speaker 3: be pandemics, weather stuff and everything, and then he talked

716
00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:15,040
Speaker 3: about this is very interesting. He talked about and the

717
00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:17,480
Speaker 3: love of many will grow cold because of offense and

718
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:19,440
Speaker 3: all these sort of things. And then at the end

719
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:22,080
Speaker 3: of that he says, but this gospel of the Kingdom

720
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:25,400
Speaker 3: will be preached to all nations. So I see a

721
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:28,799
Speaker 3: pattern there. I see a pattern of chaos. I see

722
00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:32,360
Speaker 3: a pattern of Watch this our response to the chaos.

723
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:35,480
Speaker 3: The love of many will grow cold. That's our response

724
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:38,239
Speaker 3: to the chaos. So we'll be reacting. And then I

725
00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:43,400
Speaker 3: see the Kingdom doing something. It's if it's spoken that

726
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:46,040
Speaker 3: the gospel will be preached, this gospel the Kingdom we

727
00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:48,200
Speaker 3: preached to all nations, and then they will come in

728
00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:52,800
Speaker 3: the context of this intense chaos, then it's going to

729
00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:56,279
Speaker 3: be an intense advancing of the Kingdom as well. And

730
00:38:56,320 --> 00:39:00,560
Speaker 3: we see it, yes, And sandwiched in between that is

731
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:05,160
Speaker 3: whether or not we will have emotional regulation, because if

732
00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:08,439
Speaker 3: we have emotional regulation, stillness will be able to tap

733
00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:11,239
Speaker 3: into our knowing come on, come on, so that we

734
00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:14,279
Speaker 3: can set up what God is doing. But if we

735
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:19,000
Speaker 3: are reacting and responding and we are troubled and confused

736
00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:20,480
Speaker 3: just like everybody else, we miss it.

737
00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:23,040
Speaker 1: We are missing. Oh my goodness, that's good. And I

738
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:24,480
Speaker 1: wanted you talked about stillness.

739
00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:27,120
Speaker 2: Yes, let's touch about let's touch on that because it

740
00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:30,120
Speaker 2: is so hard. I feel like we're we're living in

741
00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:31,959
Speaker 2: a hustle world. It's like I gotta get I gotta

742
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:34,080
Speaker 2: get it, I gotta get it, and sometimes we've missed

743
00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:36,719
Speaker 2: the moment to just be still. Oh, yes, let's talk

744
00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:39,000
Speaker 2: about that. And how do we know when it's time

745
00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:39,640
Speaker 2: to sit down?

746
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:42,920
Speaker 3: Yeah? Well, first of all, you know, one of our

747
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:46,880
Speaker 3: favorite well known passes of scriptures be still and know

748
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:49,759
Speaker 3: that I'm God. Yes, but let's let's cut that in

749
00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:51,919
Speaker 3: a let's cut a third off of that. It says,

750
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:55,080
Speaker 3: be still and know Come on, let's just start there.

751
00:39:55,520 --> 00:40:00,560
Speaker 3: So knowing and knowing God and everything happens in stillness.

752
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:03,359
Speaker 3: And for me, like in a world where I am

753
00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:07,560
Speaker 3: inundated with information, I mean it is everywhere for me,

754
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:13,560
Speaker 3: stillion stillness is an act of defiance. It's me rebelling,

755
00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:19,400
Speaker 3: it's me resisting against this inundation of information. That's trying

756
00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:22,759
Speaker 3: to deregulate me. This distable me. You know, you got

757
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:25,000
Speaker 3: fake news, you got all kind of you talking about

758
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:29,960
Speaker 3: miss knowing, I mean misinformation I had. I was talking

759
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:32,279
Speaker 3: to a friend of mine the other day and we

760
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:37,359
Speaker 3: were to someone we really respect sent an article saying, oh,

761
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:40,880
Speaker 3: this is going on, and just two clicks would reveal

762
00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:41,719
Speaker 3: that this was fake.

763
00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:44,759
Speaker 2: Now that that grinds my gears when these are so

764
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:47,680
Speaker 2: quick to see the lady, you.

765
00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:51,200
Speaker 3: Know, and so so I guess, I guess the point

766
00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:54,279
Speaker 3: that I'm making is now, stillness is not like this

767
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:57,960
Speaker 3: optional thing, you know what, I just need to find something. No, no, baby,

768
00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:01,359
Speaker 3: we have to find still this time every single day

769
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:07,240
Speaker 3: in order to be clear, because our default is misinformation

770
00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:11,560
Speaker 3: or too much information. So you know, stillness is everything.

771
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:16,319
Speaker 3: If we are still, will know. You know, there's there's

772
00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:19,359
Speaker 3: this this part in the book where I talk about

773
00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:25,520
Speaker 3: that there's one word in Hebrews that was translated into

774
00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:28,799
Speaker 3: English senses and it's only by one time, and it

775
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:32,200
Speaker 3: literally means your organ of perception. So God, the same

776
00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:34,680
Speaker 3: God gave his ears to hear and eyes to see

777
00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:37,880
Speaker 3: and no smell, also gave us the ability to perceive

778
00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:42,520
Speaker 3: him well, I have to shut everything else down. I

779
00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:45,040
Speaker 3: have to get still so that I can tap into

780
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:48,879
Speaker 3: miner that thing that God gave us. And not only

781
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:51,839
Speaker 3: do I have to find it, I gotta exercise it.

782
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:54,600
Speaker 3: I gotta train it, you know, and get good at it.

783
00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:59,239
Speaker 3: And it's hard for it to be so clear enough

784
00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:01,319
Speaker 3: that it governs our life if we don't take time

785
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:01,840
Speaker 3: to be still.

786
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:02,640
Speaker 1: That's so good.

787
00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:05,200
Speaker 2: Was there ever a moment in your life where you

788
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:07,319
Speaker 2: weren't being still and you made a decision? You look

789
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:10,760
Speaker 2: back like if I had just taken a moment to pause.

790
00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:14,320
Speaker 3: All the time. You know, there's this passage of scripture

791
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:18,600
Speaker 3: that says be angry and sin not, and it looks

792
00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:20,319
Speaker 3: like a real quick thing, be angry and sin not,

793
00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:25,080
Speaker 3: But no, there's a gap, be angry, gap and sin not.

794
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:30,759
Speaker 3: So that space, that space between then you're then that

795
00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:36,319
Speaker 3: space between your legitimate anger and your response. Sometimes it

796
00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:40,640
Speaker 3: needs to be a weak you know what I mean,

797
00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:44,160
Speaker 3: And so I can I mean, many times you know,

798
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:46,520
Speaker 3: in uh, you know, things that I you know, may

799
00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:49,080
Speaker 3: have said to the kids, you know, in my fear

800
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:51,520
Speaker 3: or nothing abusive or whatever, But I could have done

801
00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:55,880
Speaker 3: so much better decisions that I've made in leadership, you know,

802
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:58,799
Speaker 3: getting you know, getting upset and you know sometimes you

803
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:01,319
Speaker 3: know you you you'll I are somebody that you could have,

804
00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:03,919
Speaker 3: uh and I haven't done that in a long time,

805
00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:06,840
Speaker 3: but but someone you know, part of let me just

806
00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:08,640
Speaker 3: give you, like a leadership lesson. One of a big

807
00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:14,600
Speaker 3: leadership lesson is knowing who you need to train. That

808
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:16,399
Speaker 3: will be a great asset if you have a little

809
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:18,919
Speaker 3: bit of patience versus you know, I've worded it this way.

810
00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:21,480
Speaker 3: Knowing who can grow into your vision or who must

811
00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:24,160
Speaker 3: go for the sake of your vision, and like true leadership.

812
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:27,040
Speaker 3: So I've made all kinds of decisions. And that's why

813
00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:31,440
Speaker 3: I want to be regulated because sometimes just three seconds, Crystal,

814
00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:38,000
Speaker 3: just just a breath before you react, just one breath.

815
00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:42,800
Speaker 3: It'll be the difference between you know, use some of

816
00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:46,839
Speaker 3: a sucker or or let's prey. You know what I mean.

817
00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:50,560
Speaker 3: You know, just this is a little beat.

818
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:53,240
Speaker 1: You know, for sure, I have to take a beat

819
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:53,919
Speaker 1: every day.

820
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:55,880
Speaker 2: Although it was like the little moments, like even in

821
00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:57,920
Speaker 2: the way here, I was like something happened.

822
00:43:57,920 --> 00:44:01,040
Speaker 3: I was just like, just.

823
00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:06,239
Speaker 2: It's fine, We're not saving lives here, Like you get

824
00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:07,640
Speaker 2: so quick. I'm like you was just in the word,

825
00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:10,760
Speaker 2: how are you about to get that give intense about

826
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:11,640
Speaker 2: something so quick?

827
00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:15,200
Speaker 3: Yeah? We're human.

828
00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:18,240
Speaker 2: We are human, yes, and I have to remind myself

829
00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:19,919
Speaker 2: with that. But I also have to remind myself that

830
00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:23,200
Speaker 2: you are working progress. And when you feel that happening,

831
00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:26,719
Speaker 2: take a take a beat, yep, don't allow it to consume.

832
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:29,160
Speaker 1: You, and then regulate, all right, what are we doing?

833
00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:30,640
Speaker 3: And it and it passes.

834
00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:31,080
Speaker 1: It does.

835
00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:34,960
Speaker 2: That's amazing things literally within two seconds that I'm good.

836
00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:38,040
Speaker 3: But check this out. So that urge is so strong

837
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:41,239
Speaker 3: to react like it almost feel like I got to

838
00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:45,520
Speaker 3: you know. But if you can just settle yourself for

839
00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:49,040
Speaker 3: a minute, yeah, it passes, because that if you give

840
00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:52,040
Speaker 3: into that, it's gonna throw your whole next ten minutes

841
00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:58,200
Speaker 3: off literally and there will be loss creativity, inspiration. You know,

842
00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:00,799
Speaker 3: you can miss something that's coming a way. It ain't

843
00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:04,360
Speaker 3: worth it. No, it's not worth it to not be

844
00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:08,560
Speaker 3: the best mate. Yes, And that moment of stillness self

845
00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:09,480
Speaker 3: regulation allows me.

846
00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:10,919
Speaker 1: That's so good.

847
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:13,879
Speaker 2: I'm glad I'm not alone in that one. He gets

848
00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:16,799
Speaker 2: an ear for every day like I'm with you, I

849
00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:20,799
Speaker 2: got you, and I just like dump it on him

850
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:22,320
Speaker 2: He's like, I got you.

851
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:24,080
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, so.

852
00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:24,760
Speaker 3: That's a blessing.

853
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:28,000
Speaker 2: It is a blessing, and everybody need a West. I

854
00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:40,120
Speaker 2: appreciate you. Another thing I love and just about you

855
00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:42,920
Speaker 2: period is how real you are. Now you talk about

856
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:46,959
Speaker 2: how part of your seasons are cocoon period. I love

857
00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:50,239
Speaker 2: that because I feel like so much of my life

858
00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:53,839
Speaker 2: before I really took wings, I feel like I was

859
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:57,160
Speaker 2: just trapped, you know, and if I had changed my perspective,

860
00:45:57,200 --> 00:45:59,840
Speaker 2: it was really cocoon. Or I'm turning from that caterpillar

861
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:03,040
Speaker 2: to the butterfly so I can literally fly. Let's talk

862
00:46:03,080 --> 00:46:06,040
Speaker 2: about that, because I love that analogy in that metaphor.

863
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:09,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel like I know part of I talked

864
00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:13,279
Speaker 3: about if if the cocoon could talk, what would it

865
00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:17,759
Speaker 3: tell you? And the challenging part about about being in

866
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:21,360
Speaker 3: a cocoon is that you don't know it. And sometimes

867
00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:27,799
Speaker 3: I imagine, like the caterpillar, I don't know if caterpillars

868
00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:31,719
Speaker 3: have caterpillar school where there's a nice little whiteboard in

869
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:34,560
Speaker 3: the background. Now, listen, you getting ready to go through something, right,

870
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:39,000
Speaker 3: It's gonna be real dark, You're gonna be real disoriented.

871
00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:43,839
Speaker 3: In fact, your whole sense of who you were, your

872
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:47,719
Speaker 3: whole sense of identity, how you move about, how you navigate,

873
00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:50,520
Speaker 3: how you get around, all of that is going to

874
00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:53,879
Speaker 3: come to a complete stop, and you're gonna be in

875
00:46:54,040 --> 00:46:58,480
Speaker 3: darkness and then you're actually gonna turn into this little mush.

876
00:46:58,760 --> 00:47:03,000
Speaker 3: But when it's all though, oh, when it's all over,

877
00:47:03,080 --> 00:47:06,440
Speaker 3: you're going to become something that you couldn't have even

878
00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:09,080
Speaker 3: fathom becoming. You didn't have the capacity. So if the

879
00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:11,719
Speaker 3: cocoon could talk, that's what the cocoon could tell you.

880
00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:16,320
Speaker 3: And we find ourselves in cocoons. It's when God knows

881
00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:19,800
Speaker 3: that we have to become something else, that the version

882
00:47:20,040 --> 00:47:26,120
Speaker 3: of who we are right now does not match the calling,

883
00:47:26,680 --> 00:47:31,640
Speaker 3: the purpose, the environment, the destiny that you're assigned to. Now,

884
00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:38,680
Speaker 3: I can't explain that to you because that information revelation

885
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:41,440
Speaker 3: wouldn't even fit into the version that you are. It

886
00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:45,399
Speaker 3: would blow your mind. So I just have to let

887
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:51,399
Speaker 3: you enter into this cocoon without your permission, because I'm

888
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:54,279
Speaker 3: your God. And so what you have to do. First

889
00:47:54,280 --> 00:47:56,680
Speaker 3: of all, the first time you go through it, you'll learn,

890
00:47:56,719 --> 00:47:58,799
Speaker 3: and once you go through two or three cocoons, you'll

891
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:00,880
Speaker 3: figure it out. But there are things that you have

892
00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:04,719
Speaker 3: to realize. First of all, it's dark, and so now

893
00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:07,680
Speaker 3: I have to trust the character of the one who

894
00:48:07,719 --> 00:48:10,759
Speaker 3: allowed me to go into that cocoon. I gotta do that.

895
00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:13,880
Speaker 3: I also have to know that it's temporary. It's like,

896
00:48:14,239 --> 00:48:17,160
Speaker 3: you know, it's not going to last forever there, It's

897
00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:20,439
Speaker 3: going to be an emerging you know, there's several things

898
00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:23,160
Speaker 3: I have to know that I'm protected because here's the thing, like,

899
00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:26,400
Speaker 3: even with me working through this trauma on the next level,

900
00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:30,680
Speaker 3: I felt like I didn't want nobody to see me like,

901
00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:33,160
Speaker 3: because you know, I'm big, bad tore, you know what

902
00:48:33,160 --> 00:48:35,760
Speaker 3: I mean. I'm leading people on bull out the line,

903
00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:37,600
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. I'm doing business and all

904
00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:40,919
Speaker 3: that kind of stuff. And I didn't like, I didn't

905
00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:45,120
Speaker 3: feel strong, you know, But that's okay, because yeah, you

906
00:48:45,160 --> 00:48:48,480
Speaker 3: are weak, but you're weak under my covering. And me

907
00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:51,919
Speaker 3: and Sarah we were talking and we were watching Dave

908
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:56,080
Speaker 3: Chappelle's documentary and he acknowledged not his documentaries, let me not,

909
00:48:56,480 --> 00:48:59,240
Speaker 3: let me tell the truth. Well, man, I thought documentary,

910
00:48:59,239 --> 00:49:01,399
Speaker 3: but it wasn't. It was a kind of a documentary

911
00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:05,439
Speaker 3: moment at the top of his thing where his mother

912
00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:07,959
Speaker 3: said he said, my mother taught me something, and she says,

913
00:49:08,040 --> 00:49:11,200
Speaker 3: sometimes you gotta be a lion so that you can

914
00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:14,160
Speaker 3: be the lamb that you really are. Talking about being bold,

915
00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:16,719
Speaker 3: and then Sarah was like, yeah, you know, and sometimes

916
00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:19,480
Speaker 3: you got to be a lamb, yeah, so that you

917
00:49:19,520 --> 00:49:20,960
Speaker 3: can be the lion that you really are.

918
00:49:21,120 --> 00:49:21,560
Speaker 1: Yeah.

919
00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:25,920
Speaker 3: And that space of me being in this new cocoon

920
00:49:26,520 --> 00:49:28,800
Speaker 3: where I do feel like I got to be a

921
00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:31,279
Speaker 3: lamb or I do feel like I can't be the

922
00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:35,520
Speaker 3: roaring lion, but I gotta be the sacrificial toree so

923
00:49:35,640 --> 00:49:39,279
Speaker 3: that God can shape me so that I can come

924
00:49:39,320 --> 00:49:43,200
Speaker 3: back and be the bold lion that am. But this

925
00:49:43,239 --> 00:49:45,840
Speaker 3: is the cocoon process. You got to know that it's temporary.

926
00:49:46,160 --> 00:49:49,880
Speaker 3: You gotta trust God's heart when you can't see his hand,

927
00:49:50,640 --> 00:49:52,880
Speaker 3: you know. You got to know that you're protected in it,

928
00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:55,200
Speaker 3: you know, and that you're coming out and when you

929
00:49:55,239 --> 00:49:57,399
Speaker 3: come out it's going to be worth it. You'll kiss

930
00:49:57,440 --> 00:50:00,719
Speaker 3: the cocoon later, you know. But while you're it, it's

931
00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:01,240
Speaker 3: not fun.

932
00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:02,440
Speaker 1: It's not fun. Now.

933
00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:06,080
Speaker 2: What do you say to the person who runs from

934
00:50:06,120 --> 00:50:09,680
Speaker 2: the cocoon phase and continues to repeat the cycles and

935
00:50:09,719 --> 00:50:13,080
Speaker 2: they're missing that moment to go through the darkness, go

936
00:50:13,160 --> 00:50:16,319
Speaker 2: through the uneasiness and the uncertainty to get to the

937
00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:17,680
Speaker 2: other side of that. What do you say to that

938
00:50:17,719 --> 00:50:19,800
Speaker 2: person who just continues to repeat the cycles.

939
00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:24,239
Speaker 3: I feel them, and I understand how easy it is

940
00:50:24,840 --> 00:50:27,960
Speaker 3: to do that, because it takes courage, like to submit

941
00:50:28,040 --> 00:50:31,760
Speaker 3: to a process. I would say to that person, here's

942
00:50:31,800 --> 00:50:35,400
Speaker 3: the hard truth. You got to get to the other side.

943
00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:36,560
Speaker 1: No, you have to, and.

944
00:50:38,080 --> 00:50:41,040
Speaker 3: You're not going You're not going to get to the

945
00:50:41,080 --> 00:50:47,000
Speaker 3: other side going around the mountain. You're going to have

946
00:50:47,080 --> 00:50:50,560
Speaker 3: to trust God, and it's going to be uncomfortable, and

947
00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:52,560
Speaker 3: you're going to have to You're gonna have to get naked.

948
00:50:52,600 --> 00:50:53,920
Speaker 3: You're gonna have to get to that place where you

949
00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:56,400
Speaker 3: are naked and undershame. And here's the thing, you know,

950
00:50:56,840 --> 00:50:59,640
Speaker 3: even as it relates to like knowing, we were actually

951
00:50:59,680 --> 00:51:03,520
Speaker 3: born to know. People think that like awareness, spiritual awareness,

952
00:51:03,520 --> 00:51:06,239
Speaker 3: God's voice, intuition, whatever you want to call it. It

953
00:51:06,280 --> 00:51:09,160
Speaker 3: ain't the sixth sense. It's the first sense. We were

954
00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:13,080
Speaker 3: created to know. We were created in the context of

955
00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:15,279
Speaker 3: the one who is all knowing, and we had a

956
00:51:15,360 --> 00:51:18,719
Speaker 3: direct flow with him, and in that context we were

957
00:51:18,840 --> 00:51:23,080
Speaker 3: naked and unashamed. The moment that the enemy comes in

958
00:51:23,680 --> 00:51:29,239
Speaker 3: and watch this moves us from knowing with God to

959
00:51:29,400 --> 00:51:34,200
Speaker 3: wondering or to questioning. He breaks that flow, and now

960
00:51:34,239 --> 00:51:37,120
Speaker 3: what are we doing? We're naked and now we're trying

961
00:51:37,120 --> 00:51:40,520
Speaker 3: to cover ourselves. Now we don't feel safe, and so

962
00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:45,360
Speaker 3: part of getting back to who we truly are is

963
00:51:45,440 --> 00:51:49,680
Speaker 3: recognizing that I am covering. See here's the thing, God says,

964
00:51:49,680 --> 00:51:54,040
Speaker 3: who told you were naked? He's like, first of all, yeah, yeah,

965
00:51:54,280 --> 00:52:01,120
Speaker 3: you're naked. But who reintroduced what it meant to be

966
00:52:01,120 --> 00:52:03,400
Speaker 3: bear in front of me to you and made it

967
00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:09,239
Speaker 3: a negative? Who distorted vulnerability the idea of vulnerability, who

968
00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:12,760
Speaker 3: distorted that you? And so to that person, I would say,

969
00:52:13,840 --> 00:52:17,960
Speaker 3: God really really loves you, and you can show him everything,

970
00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:20,279
Speaker 3: and you can yield yourself and do whatever it takes

971
00:52:20,320 --> 00:52:25,080
Speaker 3: to yield to the process. Because if you had just

972
00:52:25,080 --> 00:52:27,600
Speaker 3: just an inkling of an idea of how much God

973
00:52:27,680 --> 00:52:31,440
Speaker 3: loves you and is into you and is not disappointed

974
00:52:31,520 --> 00:52:34,080
Speaker 3: in you, which is a lie because in order to

975
00:52:34,120 --> 00:52:37,719
Speaker 3: be disappointed, there has to be an ignorance in order

976
00:52:37,719 --> 00:52:39,719
Speaker 3: for them to be disappointment. And God knew what you

977
00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:41,040
Speaker 3: were going to do before you did, and all this

978
00:52:41,120 --> 00:52:44,960
Speaker 3: kind of stuff. God not disappointing you. He has perfect knowledge,

979
00:52:45,200 --> 00:52:47,600
Speaker 3: so he's not disappointed. He loves you, and all he

980
00:52:47,640 --> 00:52:49,439
Speaker 3: wants is for He doesn't want from you, He wants

981
00:52:49,520 --> 00:52:53,680
Speaker 3: for you. Trust the process. And I'll say this prophetically

982
00:52:53,680 --> 00:52:59,400
Speaker 3: to that person. God will have people, and don't run

983
00:52:59,440 --> 00:53:03,600
Speaker 3: from the people that are assigned to your life. They

984
00:53:03,600 --> 00:53:05,520
Speaker 3: make you feel a little uncomfortable. Not talk on people

985
00:53:05,520 --> 00:53:07,959
Speaker 3: who judge you. Get rid of them. But I'm talking

986
00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:11,200
Speaker 3: about people who see you and who challenge you and

987
00:53:11,280 --> 00:53:13,759
Speaker 3: push you a little bit. Don't run from those people.

988
00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:16,560
Speaker 3: Those are gifts. And God will always have somebody around

989
00:53:16,600 --> 00:53:20,480
Speaker 3: you that will see you, speak into you, and be

990
00:53:20,560 --> 00:53:23,600
Speaker 3: a part of His natural covering. As you walk through

991
00:53:23,760 --> 00:53:26,359
Speaker 3: this cocoon, get in the cocoon, get don't don't run

992
00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:29,480
Speaker 3: from it. Don't run from it, and don't deliver yourself

993
00:53:29,480 --> 00:53:33,920
Speaker 3: too early. You'll mature to a place where you're like God,

994
00:53:34,280 --> 00:53:36,080
Speaker 3: I'm in the fire and I don't like it as hot,

995
00:53:36,440 --> 00:53:39,399
Speaker 3: but don't take me out one second sooner. I want

996
00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:41,440
Speaker 3: to be I want to be done. I want to

997
00:53:41,480 --> 00:53:45,360
Speaker 3: be done well done, so that I don't have to

998
00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:53,680
Speaker 3: go back to where I was. She said, So good,

999
00:53:53,760 --> 00:53:56,800
Speaker 3: you know, And I can say that because I trust you.

1000
00:53:56,800 --> 00:53:59,440
Speaker 3: You're not gonna burn me. You're not gonna burn me,

1001
00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:01,799
Speaker 3: you know, Oh my goodness. But if I get out

1002
00:54:01,840 --> 00:54:02,640
Speaker 3: too soon, I'll.

1003
00:54:02,440 --> 00:54:03,400
Speaker 1: Be raw exactly.

1004
00:54:03,480 --> 00:54:06,400
Speaker 2: We don't want that, oh goodness, susceptible to everything.

1005
00:54:06,440 --> 00:54:07,240
Speaker 1: Yes at that point.

1006
00:54:07,320 --> 00:54:11,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, that is so good. Thank you, Thank you for

1007
00:54:11,040 --> 00:54:14,200
Speaker 2: your time. I'm excited for everyone to get your book.

1008
00:54:14,200 --> 00:54:15,560
Speaker 2: Can you tell us where we can find it?

1009
00:54:16,160 --> 00:54:18,800
Speaker 3: Uh? Everywhere? I mean you go to Tory Roberts dot com

1010
00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:20,680
Speaker 3: on the website. I'm talking about it. I want the

1011
00:54:20,719 --> 00:54:21,400
Speaker 3: world to have it.

1012
00:54:21,480 --> 00:54:24,319
Speaker 2: Yes, absolutely, weeded to. I know the Sweedis are going

1013
00:54:24,360 --> 00:54:26,680
Speaker 2: to definitely go get it. I have an unofficial book club,

1014
00:54:27,120 --> 00:54:28,000
Speaker 2: so we're going to read it.

1015
00:54:28,080 --> 00:54:28,279
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1016
00:54:28,320 --> 00:54:30,680
Speaker 2: They post books that I'm reading and they all go by it.

1017
00:54:30,760 --> 00:54:33,320
Speaker 2: So we'll definitely get on this a way and whatever.

1018
00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:37,879
Speaker 3: If you want me to zoom in and talk, yes.

1019
00:54:37,719 --> 00:54:40,200
Speaker 1: Thank you, it's my pleasure.

1020
00:54:40,239 --> 00:54:42,040
Speaker 2: And tell us about your podcast, Greg, Can you find

1021
00:54:42,040 --> 00:54:43,120
Speaker 2: that because you want to tap in?

1022
00:54:43,280 --> 00:54:47,160
Speaker 3: Yep, it's called the called podcast. It's everywhere YouTube and

1023
00:54:47,200 --> 00:54:49,680
Speaker 3: of course on all the audio platforms awesome.

1024
00:54:49,719 --> 00:54:51,640
Speaker 2: We will definitely tap in. Is there anything I may

1025
00:54:51,680 --> 00:54:53,319
Speaker 2: have missed that you want us to know about.

1026
00:54:53,360 --> 00:54:57,600
Speaker 1: I know, Woman Evolved. Is it sold out already? Yes?

1027
00:54:57,840 --> 00:55:00,560
Speaker 3: But we're doing the overflowing, you know, the overflow experience hopping.

1028
00:55:00,760 --> 00:55:04,120
Speaker 2: Let me tell y'all getting the overflow. That's what the

1029
00:55:04,160 --> 00:55:06,319
Speaker 2: podcast is. We have so much fun over there.

1030
00:55:06,520 --> 00:55:09,520
Speaker 3: Indeed, and then the called I don't know when this airs,

1031
00:55:09,520 --> 00:55:12,719
Speaker 3: but the called the conference in Miami fifth that's gonna

1032
00:55:12,719 --> 00:55:13,080
Speaker 3: be crazy.

1033
00:55:13,200 --> 00:55:16,719
Speaker 2: What month is at April? Oh wow, that's coming up? Okay, awesome. Yes,

1034
00:55:17,080 --> 00:55:19,960
Speaker 2: I'm really loving everything you're doing with the call actually

1035
00:55:19,960 --> 00:55:21,920
Speaker 2: a tendager event you had in art Basel.

1036
00:55:22,080 --> 00:55:23,319
Speaker 1: Yes, phenomenal.

1037
00:55:23,480 --> 00:55:26,680
Speaker 2: I love what you're doing bringing people of the faith

1038
00:55:27,440 --> 00:55:29,640
Speaker 2: to their into their other gifts. I think that's a

1039
00:55:29,640 --> 00:55:32,200
Speaker 2: beautiful thing and letting us know that, hey, we can

1040
00:55:32,239 --> 00:55:34,440
Speaker 2: tap into all these different things that God has blessed

1041
00:55:34,520 --> 00:55:36,879
Speaker 2: us with. Absolutely, so thank you for everything you're doing

1042
00:55:36,880 --> 00:55:40,000
Speaker 2: past the tarade. I appreciate you. And not to be

1043
00:55:40,040 --> 00:55:41,880
Speaker 2: another person that's calling you asking you for advice, but

1044
00:55:41,920 --> 00:55:42,480
Speaker 2: I'll be calling.

1045
00:55:42,360 --> 00:55:46,640
Speaker 3: Asking your advice and you're modeling. You're modeling everything I

1046
00:55:46,680 --> 00:55:47,080
Speaker 3: stand for.

1047
00:55:47,280 --> 00:55:50,160
Speaker 1: Thank you so much, congratulations, thank you, all.

1048
00:55:50,200 --> 00:55:51,160
Speaker 2: Right, this is good.

1049
00:55:54,680 --> 00:55:55,520
Speaker 1: What I appreciate.

1050
00:55:55,560 --> 00:55:58,560
Speaker 2: Most about this conversation is the reminder that clarity isn't

1051
00:55:58,600 --> 00:56:03,080
Speaker 2: always loud. Some times is quiet, Sometimes it's uncomfortable, and

1052
00:56:03,200 --> 00:56:07,800
Speaker 2: sometimes it requires us to unlearn everything we thought we knew. Sorey,

1053
00:56:07,840 --> 00:56:10,840
Speaker 2: thank you so much for your honesty, your perspective, and

1054
00:56:10,920 --> 00:56:14,840
Speaker 2: for showing us that knowing isn't about having all the answers.

1055
00:56:14,920 --> 00:56:18,160
Speaker 1: It's about having the courage to trust yourself, even in

1056
00:56:18,200 --> 00:56:18,880
Speaker 1: the unknown.

1057
00:56:19,520 --> 00:56:21,640
Speaker 2: Thank you all so much for tuning in to another

1058
00:56:21,719 --> 00:56:24,560
Speaker 2: episode of Keep It Positive, Sweety. Be sure to grab

1059
00:56:24,640 --> 00:56:27,759
Speaker 2: your copy of Knowing The Journey to Certainty in an

1060
00:56:27,840 --> 00:56:31,799
Speaker 2: Uncertain World wherever books are sold. Don't forget to download

1061
00:56:31,840 --> 00:56:36,200
Speaker 2: Season eleven Kit's reflection sheet God at Chris Llinaehezel dot com.

1062
00:56:36,440 --> 00:56:40,319
Speaker 2: Subscribe and share this episode with someone who needs it. Hey, guys,

1063
00:56:40,360 --> 00:56:42,600
Speaker 2: if you ever need advice or just want to share

1064
00:56:42,640 --> 00:56:45,040
Speaker 2: what you're going through, email us at Keep It Positive

1065
00:56:45,040 --> 00:56:49,920
Speaker 2: Outcomes at gmail dot com. As always, stay blessed, stay encouraged,

1066
00:56:50,280 --> 00:56:51,480
Speaker 2: and keep it positive, Sweety.

1067
00:56:51,520 --> 00:56:53,440
Speaker 1: I'll see you guys next time. Love y'all,