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Speaker 1: And can you describe exactly what perman culture is for

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Speaker 1: our listeners. I'm no pro. It's a design philosophy where

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Speaker 1: you are thinking beyond just the needs of the plant,

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Speaker 1: to the needs of the garden, to the needs of

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Speaker 1: your entire property, and you you try to design systems

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Speaker 1: that serve multiple needs. So a classic example of a

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Speaker 1: perma culture, you know, a fish tank full of telapia

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Speaker 1: that has you know that you can throw food scraps

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Speaker 1: in and the tilapia eat the fish, and then the

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Speaker 1: poop from the tilapia fertilizes makes this really great fertilizing

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Speaker 1: water that you then feed into a garden like that.

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Speaker 1: That's kind of a perma culture system that's really interesting

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Speaker 1: to to contemplate. And like, how how many things you

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Speaker 1: can build in and see that like sort of feed

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Speaker 1: all these systems is pretty great. What are some things

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Speaker 1: that are easy to grow that can sort of help

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Speaker 1: fill your tiny home with delicious, healthy food? It? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean it's all gonna depend on your environment, right. Um,

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Speaker 1: If we're talking about growing outdoors, it's possible to grow

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Speaker 1: certain edible things. Indoors. Herbs for example, on a on

448
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Speaker 1: a sunny window sill can do can do pretty well.

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Speaker 1: But really, when you're talking about growing yourself food, you're

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Speaker 1: gonna be you're gonna want to be leveraging your outdoor space.

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Speaker 1: So if you're in a permanent space, I think that,

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Speaker 1: you know, it's incredible what you can grow in a

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Speaker 1: small raised bed. I think that if you have the

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Speaker 1: capacity to build a garden box, the benefit there is

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Speaker 1: that you're filling that soil up and it's able to

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Speaker 1: not get compacted the way it would. You know, just

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Speaker 1: if you're kind of digging out of bed in the

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Speaker 1: ground and then you're you know, stepping around that soil

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Speaker 1: compaction makes it really hard for the roots to grow deep,

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Speaker 1: and the deeper the roots and healthier the roots systems.

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Speaker 1: I think like one of the easiest things that can

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Speaker 1: be grown in many, many different environments is just sally greens.

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Speaker 1: Lettuces come up really fast. They don't need a ton

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Speaker 1: of sun. In fact, they tend to bolt in the sun.

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Speaker 1: Bolting just means they go to seed, and once a

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Speaker 1: planet goes to seed, you're typically just done. One of

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Speaker 1: my favorite things grow as radishes. I think I've acquired

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Speaker 1: a taste for radishes because of how fun they are

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Speaker 1: to grow, and then you know, depending on on on

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Speaker 1: the light and your level of dedication. Tomatoes are like

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Speaker 1: the classic thing to grow because homegrown tomato just tastes

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Speaker 1: ten thousand times better than what you can get at

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Speaker 1: the store, and it's pretty amazing as far as like

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Speaker 1: space goes. You know, you can grow tomato in a

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Speaker 1: five yallon bucket. Um. There are two different main types

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Speaker 1: of tomato plants. There's determinate plants and in determinate plants.

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Speaker 1: In determinate plants will just keep growing and growing and

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Speaker 1: growing and growing forever, and they set fruit intermittently throughout

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Speaker 1: their lives, whereas determinate plants grow to a set size

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Speaker 1: and then they set all their fruit all at once.

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Speaker 1: So that's what people with limited space would want to

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Speaker 1: look for as a determinate variety. How has COVID impacted

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Speaker 1: the popularity or culture of both tiny homes and tiny plants.

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Speaker 1: I'll say, from the tiny home perspective, just out of control,

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Speaker 1: bonkers interest. You know, there are a lot of people

486
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Speaker 1: who are really suffering financially due to the pandemic and

487
00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:05,960
Speaker 1: the appeal of tiny house living as a way of

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Speaker 1: saving money and a way of having housing stability. People

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Speaker 1: see it, and the governments and municipalities and cities are

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Speaker 1: struggling scrambling to to change laws to make it legal,

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Speaker 1: because it's not always legal to live in a tiny

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Speaker 1: house in most places. And I would, uh, I would

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Speaker 1: concur crazy bonkers over the top interest, you know, not

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Speaker 1: specifically in tiny plants, but in plants in general. I

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Speaker 1: think that you know, with COVID kind of as I

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Speaker 1: was alluding to earlier, people are spending more times in

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Speaker 1: their home. They might be missing that morning commute to work,

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Speaker 1: that they walk through the park, or just that other

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Speaker 1: touch points in their lives where they're able to connect

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Speaker 1: with nature. And they want their homes to feel good.

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00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:49,200
Speaker 1: And you know, plants. Plants make a space feel good.

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Speaker 1: You know, having plants around increase your productivity, They stabilize

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Speaker 1: your mood. They actually make a space more comfortable by

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00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:58,439
Speaker 1: putting out humidity, um, they dampen the sound into space.

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Speaker 1: So there's all sorts of ways because like above and

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Speaker 1: below the surface, that having plants in your space can

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00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:05,720
Speaker 1: improve your quality of life. And so I think the

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Speaker 1: kind of the bar for knowledge has gone way up,

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Speaker 1: Like people come in and they know so much these days.

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Speaker 1: It's just pretty incredible how it's turned into like a

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Speaker 1: real community in a movement. Yeah, it is always impressive

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Speaker 1: to me to see the different communities that have come

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Speaker 1: up and emerged on Instagram and formed around things like plants,

514
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Speaker 1: and also to see how specific those communities get. Do

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Speaker 1: you think tiny plants are a part of that, and

516
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Speaker 1: are they on Instagram trend or do you think they're

517
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Speaker 1: here to stay? I think for me, like, I think

518
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Speaker 1: that right now we're in a phase where people are

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Speaker 1: discovering plants and they're discovering that they want to have

520
00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:41,800
Speaker 1: them in their homes. Right. There are different kind of

521
00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:44,800
Speaker 1: personality types and different things that you know, just naturally

522
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:47,440
Speaker 1: attract you. Some people want to get a toy poodle

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00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:49,560
Speaker 1: and other people want to get a same Bernard, Right.

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Speaker 1: I think that the same goes with plants. Like there's

525
00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:54,880
Speaker 1: so much information out there these days, and there's people

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Speaker 1: are getting really deep. I think that that's kind of

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Speaker 1: the what I'm noticing as a trend more than say

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00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:03,200
Speaker 1: like a shift towards tiny plants, but just people getting

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00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:06,040
Speaker 1: really into their kind of plant, like their pepper roma.

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Speaker 1: People who want to have all the pepperonias. People are

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00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:14,360
Speaker 1: just becoming passionate, and the nursery industry is responding by

532
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:17,600
Speaker 1: diversifying and making these plants that were once super duper

533
00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:20,800
Speaker 1: rare and hard to find, like putting an energy into

534
00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:24,000
Speaker 1: you know, propagating them and having them available in greater quantity.

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00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:26,520
Speaker 1: And then you know, it's kind of a self perpetuating

536
00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:29,880
Speaker 1: cycle that there's you know, greater availability, greater knowledge, uh,

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00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:32,120
Speaker 1: community forming around it. So like people are just kind

538
00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:34,280
Speaker 1: of you know, finding what speaks to them, you know,

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00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:36,600
Speaker 1: for something that will be tiny plants for sure. And

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Speaker 1: I would say that I think that there's an initial

541
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Speaker 1: attraction that maybe a tiny plant and a tiny house shares,

542
00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:47,240
Speaker 1: which is just there's a cute factor. Tiny houses are

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00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:51,200
Speaker 1: very popular on Instagram and Pinterest because they're just so

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00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:54,000
Speaker 1: visually appealing. You know, a lot of people might click

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00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:56,120
Speaker 1: on a tiny house. Nine out of ten of them

546
00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:58,760
Speaker 1: may just be clicking on it to to just see it.

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00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:00,880
Speaker 1: And then maybe one of those people will see it

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Speaker 1: and say, oh wow, this actually could be something that

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00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:05,760
Speaker 1: that would be really great for me, and they get

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00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:07,960
Speaker 1: interested and I think the same is probably true for

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Speaker 1: house plants. You know, you see a really beautiful plant

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Speaker 1: on Instagram and you click on it, and some people

553
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Speaker 1: just might look, and then other people might say, you know,

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Speaker 1: I it's beautiful and I want to put it on

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Speaker 1: my coffee table, and so I think there's they share that.

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Speaker 1: And another thing I think that's important to mention is, like,

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Speaker 1: you know, there there obviously is a natural synchronicity between

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Speaker 1: tiny home tiny plant. But I also think that like,

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Speaker 1: just because you live in a small space doesn't mean

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Speaker 1: you can't have any plant. Um. I mean, you might

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Speaker 1: not physically be able to fit a giant tree in

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00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:39,880
Speaker 1: your home, but I think that you can really get

563
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Speaker 1: creative and just activate different areas of the home if

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00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:46,320
Speaker 1: you're committed to, you know, having having greener in that space.

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00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:49,120
Speaker 1: Plants don't have to be just you know, in that

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Speaker 1: big pot on the floor occupying your your living space.

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Speaker 1: I like that. Ethan and Jesse, thank you both so

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00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:57,680
Speaker 1: much for being on this program. I'm I'm fascinated in

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Speaker 1: what both of you do, and um throw to have

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00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:06,120
Speaker 1: you here. Thank you, Thanks so much. Humans Growing Stuff

571
00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:16,719
Speaker 1: will be right back after a short break. Tiny Plants

572
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:19,560
Speaker 1: are so useful and for a small amount of space,

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00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:21,880
Speaker 1: they can do a lot of good. But as I've

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Speaker 1: been researching some of the popular tiny plants for this episode,

575
00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:27,920
Speaker 1: I couldn't help but think of how funny some of

576
00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:31,840
Speaker 1: them are. The plants themselves are adorable, but also the

577
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:37,520
Speaker 1: names are hilarious, like et fingers come on. So I

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00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:41,000
Speaker 1: decided to give comedian Angela Johnson red As a call

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Speaker 1: and get her take on them. Angela is a former

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00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:46,800
Speaker 1: cast member on Mad TV and sells out comedy tours

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Speaker 1: across the country, and not only does she make me laugh,

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Speaker 1: she's also an avid gardener. She and I caught up

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Speaker 1: about what got her hooked on gardening, how Instagram has

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00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:59,480
Speaker 1: brought her closer to this new community, and what she

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Speaker 1: thinks of some of the more comedic tiny plant names

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Speaker 1: out there. Handeler, are you there? Yes? Hello, Hey, it's

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Speaker 1: so nice to be chatting with you. I am so excited. Well,

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00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:17,200
Speaker 1: I've been watching some of your Facebook videos and and

589
00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:19,600
Speaker 1: watching your enthusiasm for the garden, and we thought it

590
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:21,440
Speaker 1: would be super fun to have you on the show.

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Speaker 1: I'm excited to talk about this because this is like

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Speaker 1: a whole new world for me. That developed. Yeah, I

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00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:29,920
Speaker 1: love to share with every I'm like, how is everyone

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00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:33,720
Speaker 1: not gardening? Like everyone? Yeah, that's how I feel too,

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Speaker 1: But I'm curious. Was gardening something you grew up with? Um? No?

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00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:42,120
Speaker 1: Actually really all new I full on. I took Ron

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00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:46,520
Speaker 1: Finley's master class and I learned a lot from him.

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00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:50,920
Speaker 1: And also, my brother got into plants before I did,

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Speaker 1: and so he's the one who kind of got me into.

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Speaker 1: So one day he came up right before quarantine January.

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Speaker 1: I went with him to the plant district downtown l A.

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Speaker 1: It was like we walked into this oasis and I

603
00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:08,360
Speaker 1: was like, what, this is a real place with plants

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Speaker 1: and flowers, and so I bought so many plants that day,

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Speaker 1: and I started becoming a plant mom. And then it

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00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:17,000
Speaker 1: grew from there to a garden and everything. And then

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Speaker 1: what did did you know immediately what to do because

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Speaker 1: you've seen these videos? Or how did you get into

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Speaker 1: gardening from there? Instagram? So I would watch videos on

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Speaker 1: Instagram on YouTube, learning about spider mites, learning about like

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Speaker 1: all kinds of things, and then it became personal. These

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Speaker 1: plants there on my balcony and my bathroom and my bedroom.

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Speaker 1: I remember the day my elephant ear plant. I was

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Speaker 1: so proud of. It was like my biggest plant that

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Speaker 1: I had ever purchased. And and she's in my my bedroom,

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Speaker 1: and every morning I wake up and there she was

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Speaker 1: in the corner. And one day I woke up and

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Speaker 1: she was just weeping, like limping over. I didn't know

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Speaker 1: what happened. When I tell you, I jumped out of

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Speaker 1: my bed and rushed to her side like it was

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Speaker 1: my child. It really became super personal, like I have

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Speaker 1: a relationship with my plants, to the point where when

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Speaker 1: I was moving, I had to find a foster home

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Speaker 1: for my plants because I was like, my husband, he

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00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:18,239
Speaker 1: doesn't quite get it. And he's like, well, why can't

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Speaker 1: she just get rid of him and get new ones

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Speaker 1: when we get our new place, And I'm like, how

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Speaker 1: dare you you make me? Hear you you walk your

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Speaker 1: mouth sir? Yeah. So they became very personal to me,

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Speaker 1: and I learned how to take care of them from

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Speaker 1: videos online, and then I would share what I was

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00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:37,760
Speaker 1: learning with my fans online, and then people would message

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Speaker 1: me and and we're so helpful and being like, hey,

634
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:43,440
Speaker 1: I think your plant has you know this going on?

635
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Speaker 1: Maybe you put too much water, and it really became

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Speaker 1: like a community online that we really just kind of

637
00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:51,920
Speaker 1: supported each other and helped each other. Isn't that amazing

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00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:56,120
Speaker 1: how these groups have formed out of interest during these pandemics, right,

639
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Speaker 1: Like people have actually made friends through Instagram and at

640
00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:01,520
Speaker 1: least feel like they they have these connections, which is

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Speaker 1: amazing totally. And then all like I get all the

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00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:09,319
Speaker 1: funny memes now, like my brother did plant Dad memes

643
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:12,680
Speaker 1: and gifts, and like you know, everybody's talking about their

644
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:15,080
Speaker 1: steamy chicks, like what they're going to spend their steamy

645
00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:17,480
Speaker 1: check on, and like all the popular ones are like,

646
00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:19,439
Speaker 1: you know, a new pair of shoes or whatever, Let's

647
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:21,359
Speaker 1: go to Red Lobster. We got that steamy check. And

648
00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:23,520
Speaker 1: then all the plant Dad ones are like, you know,

649
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:25,320
Speaker 1: just got my steamy check. And then it's a picture

650
00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:28,920
Speaker 1: of like four thousand plants in there. But I am

651
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:30,799
Speaker 1: surprised to hear you say that you hadn't done this before,

652
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:33,160
Speaker 1: because I I watched these videos and I see like

653
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:35,839
Speaker 1: you've got these beautiful beds and and you know, you've

654
00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:39,359
Speaker 1: got everything from like Valencia orange tree to like you know,

655
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:42,360
Speaker 1: tomato plants to blueberries. I mean, it's it's impressive the

656
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:45,800
Speaker 1: variety of things you grew. And you know what. I

657
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:50,040
Speaker 1: my friend Dizzy Perkins, she would post her garden a lot,

658
00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:53,440
Speaker 1: and it was very inspiring to me. It makes it

659
00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:55,640
Speaker 1: feel doable, like, well, if she could do it, I

660
00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:58,120
Speaker 1: can do it, you know. And even though I had

661
00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:00,960
Speaker 1: no knowledge. And then I would message her and you like, hey, so,

662
00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:02,799
Speaker 1: like how did you learn how to do it? She's like,

663
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:05,560
Speaker 1: I just started. I just gave it a go, and

664
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:08,680
Speaker 1: you learn as you go. And even and Ron Finling

665
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:11,759
Speaker 1: his master class too, he teaches that too, like there

666
00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:14,680
Speaker 1: is no really like right or wrong. You just start.

667
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:18,480
Speaker 1: And he's like, you can plant anything in an old suitcase,

668
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:20,920
Speaker 1: in an old boot. And he pulls out an old boot,

669
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:24,759
Speaker 1: put some soil in it, but a little seedling in

670
00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:26,839
Speaker 1: it and some water, and he's like, boom, there you go,

671
00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:30,360
Speaker 1: you have your garden. I feel like it's funny because

672
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:32,880
Speaker 1: after I started gardening, when I'd be driving down the

673
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:36,480
Speaker 1: street and I would see an empty patch of weed

674
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:39,399
Speaker 1: growing grass like by the freeway, I'd be like, oh,

675
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:43,719
Speaker 1: that'd be a good garden. Your eyes start seeing just

676
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:46,680
Speaker 1: all the possibilities for it, and I hope it just

677
00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:49,200
Speaker 1: grows and grows. Yeah, I mean it is funny, this

678
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:52,319
Speaker 1: like new awareness you have for things. Right. I feel

679
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:54,480
Speaker 1: like even in my apartment, I noticed now where the

680
00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:56,960
Speaker 1: light is and which are is a cooler and you

681
00:36:56,960 --> 00:36:59,280
Speaker 1: know you're thinking about it from a plant's perspective instead

682
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:02,200
Speaker 1: of your own. Something about it from the plant's perspective.

683
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:07,000
Speaker 1: That's hilarious. But I'm so true. But I really hope

684
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:08,759
Speaker 1: that my kids don't hear that part about the boot

685
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:10,239
Speaker 1: because I feel like I'm gonna end up with one

686
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:12,840
Speaker 1: like one sneaker that's functional and one that has a

687
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:17,080
Speaker 1: plant in it for all. And even let me tell you,

688
00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:20,160
Speaker 1: when I have to prune, I know it's a part

689
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:23,440
Speaker 1: of the process, right, I have a hard time almost

690
00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:26,240
Speaker 1: whenever I have to prune. I come and I think,

691
00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:29,320
Speaker 1: I think, my my girl, like thank you so much

692
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:33,240
Speaker 1: for the life that you've provided. Just let the joy,

693
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:36,480
Speaker 1: the oxygen, like everything you're you've served your purpose and

694
00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:38,239
Speaker 1: I thank you so much. Like I'm such a weird

695
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:43,120
Speaker 1: plant lady now like Marie, kind of an emotional moment

696
00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:45,719
Speaker 1: with my stems and I'm like, thank you, and then

697
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:48,040
Speaker 1: I like gear myself up to actually cut it, and

698
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:49,480
Speaker 1: I thank you for the new life that's going to

699
00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:53,600
Speaker 1: come from you by So, one of the things we're

700
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:57,560
Speaker 1: talking about is that as people in quarantine have gotten

701
00:37:57,600 --> 00:38:01,120
Speaker 1: super into gardening and been encouraged by Instagram and stuff,

702
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:04,400
Speaker 1: they've sort of done the base level of gardening, but

703
00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:06,680
Speaker 1: slowly people are figuring out what their niches are in

704
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:09,080
Speaker 1: terms of like their interests. And so one of the

705
00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:12,720
Speaker 1: things we've seen is that people are really into tiny plants.

706
00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:13,920
Speaker 1: And so I want to ask you a little bit

707
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:17,239
Speaker 1: about this. But I saw that you had, either on

708
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:20,680
Speaker 1: purpose or accidentally, grown very tiny potatoes in your garden.

709
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:26,160
Speaker 1: What do tiny potatoes taste like? Oh my god, they

710
00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:30,239
Speaker 1: tasted amazing because I just washed them, put some olive oil,

711
00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:31,920
Speaker 1: salt and pepper and throw them in the oven. I

712
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:39,000
Speaker 1: had like these little little potato fries. Well, I was asking,

713
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:42,120
Speaker 1: have you noticed on your Instagram feed or even with

714
00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:45,319
Speaker 1: your family's interactions that people are starting to play in

715
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:49,360
Speaker 1: the tiny plant space? Um, for sure, because it's easy

716
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:53,239
Speaker 1: and it's cute, and especially if you've downsized in the

717
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:57,080
Speaker 1: quarantine COVID days and you don't have much room, start

718
00:38:57,080 --> 00:39:00,399
Speaker 1: with a little tiny plants and they're super cute. Sure,

719
00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:04,279
Speaker 1: So I have a list of tiny plants and some

720
00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:06,920
Speaker 1: are super weird, some are super fun, and I'm curious,

721
00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:10,080
Speaker 1: just on a gut reaction, do you think these plants

722
00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:11,440
Speaker 1: are good to having at home or do you think

723
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:13,759
Speaker 1: they have some bad juju? So I'm gonna ask you

724
00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:17,560
Speaker 1: the name and you tell me first reactions. Google weed

725
00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:22,879
Speaker 1: what I mean? I guess that depends on if it's

726
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:26,000
Speaker 1: legal in your state then that would depend. But I

727
00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:29,320
Speaker 1: would say yes for for the Google weed or Doogle

728
00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:36,560
Speaker 1: eat whateveras it uh Superstar Creeper, Superstar creeper. I mean

729
00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:39,799
Speaker 1: that's like, you're not just a peeping tom, but you're

730
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:42,040
Speaker 1: like the best of the best peeping Tom's. You're a

731
00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:44,960
Speaker 1: superstar creeper. That's what that says to me. So I

732
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:47,920
Speaker 1: would say no on the Superstar Creeper. Yeah, I know,

733
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:50,359
Speaker 1: I wasn't sure. Does the superstar elevate it to like

734
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:53,640
Speaker 1: a curiosity or is it just so creepy that not

735
00:39:53,760 --> 00:40:01,080
Speaker 1: worth it? The best creeps mini money warts, many money wore.

736
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:04,479
Speaker 1: Anything with Wart makes me go, So I would say

737
00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:06,600
Speaker 1: pass on that because you don't want warts all over

738
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:08,840
Speaker 1: your money eating. You're gonna be like, what did I

739
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:10,680
Speaker 1: spend my money? On this week and be like, I

740
00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:12,680
Speaker 1: don't know you talked to many money war over here,

741
00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:15,040
Speaker 1: you'd go over here making you spend things. I am

742
00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:17,560
Speaker 1: with you this one. I think you might like Tree

743
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:20,799
Speaker 1: of a thousand Stars, three of a thousand stars. Love

744
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:25,640
Speaker 1: that that? Yeah, that feels very like universe earthy, like

745
00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:28,440
Speaker 1: very much like I want to go, like meditate next

746
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:30,319
Speaker 1: to my Tree of a thousand stars. Yeah, it sounds

747
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:34,319
Speaker 1: like a gorgeous constellation or something. So this is called

748
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:37,560
Speaker 1: a baby jade, but it's got some nicknames et fingers

749
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:44,040
Speaker 1: and shreks plant et fingers. It sounds like it's very nubby,

750
00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:46,880
Speaker 1: sounds like it looks like a twitty role but also

751
00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:51,640
Speaker 1: with a little glowy bold at the end. Yes, keep

752
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:53,520
Speaker 1: that one. How about the energy on this one? A

753
00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:58,200
Speaker 1: weeping fig. Well, I'm gonna say yes on that one,

754
00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:01,080
Speaker 1: because sometimes you just need to let a good cry out,

755
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:02,920
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, And after you let out

756
00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:04,960
Speaker 1: a good cry you just feel so much better, like

757
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:07,799
Speaker 1: so much release, And maybe the weeping fig will help

758
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:09,600
Speaker 1: you and it will help absorb it. So I say

759
00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:14,799
Speaker 1: yes and thank you, Weeping Fig. And one last one,

760
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:21,000
Speaker 1: fiend finger, Oh oh, a fiend finger that one sounds

761
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:23,640
Speaker 1: a little devious, that one sounds like a rebel, like

762
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:28,200
Speaker 1: she's a little type away. I feel like she's got

763
00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:31,879
Speaker 1: some sass, and I'm gonna say yes, because we all

764
00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:35,240
Speaker 1: need a little sass in our lives. Yeah, I agree

765
00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:39,440
Speaker 1: with you. So why do you think people love miniature

766
00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:43,000
Speaker 1: so much? In your opinion? Because they're cute. I think

767
00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:45,759
Speaker 1: anytime I love animals, I love dogs. So if I

768
00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:48,600
Speaker 1: see a doodle, I'm like, oh my god, you're so cute.

769
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:51,160
Speaker 1: I want to cuddle you and like spoon you. But

770
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:53,719
Speaker 1: then if you see a mini doodle, it's just so

771
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:56,320
Speaker 1: much cuter. It's like, oh my god, you're a mini

772
00:41:56,440 --> 00:41:59,600
Speaker 1: version of that. And I feel like it's plants like

773
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:05,759
Speaker 1: anything many and tiny is so keyte. So, I I

774
00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:08,359
Speaker 1: know that you've switched houses, but I love seeing how

775
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:12,319
Speaker 1: your community came out to name your garden. And can

776
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:13,960
Speaker 1: you tell us a little bit about how you came

777
00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:15,799
Speaker 1: up with that idea and then and then what the

778
00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:19,000
Speaker 1: process is like. Okay, So I had been talking with

779
00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:22,360
Speaker 1: my my followers on on Instagram and Facebook and everything

780
00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:25,600
Speaker 1: about a garden and getting into plants and everything, and

781
00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:27,439
Speaker 1: I'm gonna build my garden and I put a whole

782
00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:30,359
Speaker 1: video together and like, here's my new garden, and I

783
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:34,280
Speaker 1: need help picking out names. And so everyone was submitting

784
00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:39,440
Speaker 1: so many cool creative names, things that were like Spanish,

785
00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:43,000
Speaker 1: touching on my culture, things that were spiritual, touching on

786
00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:45,120
Speaker 1: that aspect of my life, and really just showing like

787
00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:47,600
Speaker 1: all the different parts of like who I am. But

788
00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:51,040
Speaker 1: I'm also a comedian. So I had a lot of

789
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:54,040
Speaker 1: funny names that were submitted, and these were some of

790
00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:59,480
Speaker 1: my favorite funny names. Armor garden, seed you later, garden,

791
00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:04,840
Speaker 1: good vines, only bone thugs and harvestry, nothing but a

792
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:08,840
Speaker 1: p thing, Notorious, b I Greens, I'm in Love with

793
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:13,160
Speaker 1: a pepper, and covid teen gardens. Oh there was also

794
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:16,360
Speaker 1: a garden of eaton. These are these are great names,

795
00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:20,160
Speaker 1: aren't they? The right? I ended up going with Queen's

796
00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:24,600
Speaker 1: Greens because my husband calls me queen, but also I

797
00:43:24,680 --> 00:43:27,200
Speaker 1: am a queen and like I wanted to embrace that.

798
00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:30,920
Speaker 1: And also my friend Penelope was living with me and

799
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:32,719
Speaker 1: she was helping me with the garden, and she's a

800
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:37,160
Speaker 1: queen too, So it became like Queen's Greens and the

801
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:40,480
Speaker 1: other name that I almost picked, but I will definitely

802
00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:43,200
Speaker 1: be using for something else. Was Rays of Sunshine because

803
00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:46,280
Speaker 1: my married last name is Reyes Yea and I love

804
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:48,200
Speaker 1: that name, so I'm definitely gonna use that for something.

805
00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:52,239
Speaker 1: Nobody's still all punch you, Angela. Thank you so much

806
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:54,920
Speaker 1: for being here. Is such a delightful conversation and so

807
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:56,480
Speaker 1: fun to have you on and I can't wait to

808
00:43:56,520 --> 00:44:00,719
Speaker 1: see what the instagram of your new at your next

809
00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:03,200
Speaker 1: house looks like. Thank you so much. This has really

810
00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:05,920
Speaker 1: been fun to talk to you about this because I

811
00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:09,439
Speaker 1: have yet to be able to do a podcast talking

812
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:13,160
Speaker 1: about just my garden. Very cool and I had so

813
00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:15,440
Speaker 1: much fun. Thank you for letting me share. Thrilled that

814
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:20,560
Speaker 1: you came on. Thank you. When my kid Ruby was

815
00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:24,000
Speaker 1: four and people used to say they were cute, Ruby's

816
00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:28,480
Speaker 1: response was always the same, with this gravelly voice, Ruby

817
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:32,240
Speaker 1: would correct them and say, I'm not cute, I'm awesome.

818
00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:36,080
Speaker 1: And every time I hear the word cute, now that's

819
00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:38,200
Speaker 1: what I think of, this little tornado of a child

820
00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:42,520
Speaker 1: insisting I am not cute, I'm awesome. When you're looking

821
00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:45,479
Speaker 1: at photos of tiny plants and tiny homes, the word

822
00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:48,040
Speaker 1: cute pops up a lot. But what's funny is that

823
00:44:48,080 --> 00:44:50,799
Speaker 1: the word cute didn't always mean cute as we know it.

824
00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:54,040
Speaker 1: According to Popular Science, the original meaning of cute was

825
00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:57,600
Speaker 1: actually clever or shrewd, because cute things take a certain

826
00:44:57,680 --> 00:45:01,719
Speaker 1: amount of cleverness. As the magazine and explains, it's more

827
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:04,120
Speaker 1: difficult to make a burrito the size of a thumb

828
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:07,200
Speaker 1: than one as big as your forearm. And I kind

829
00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:10,920
Speaker 1: of like that. Reframing tiny things tiny plants is clever

830
00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:14,240
Speaker 1: because they are clever. They've come up with all sorts

831
00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:16,520
Speaker 1: of ways to thrive in a world that's not exactly

832
00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:19,440
Speaker 1: built for them, and they have all sorts of strategies

833
00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:24,160
Speaker 1: for success, including being adorable. According to Metal Flaws, we

834
00:45:24,239 --> 00:45:28,080
Speaker 1: take more care and are more careful with tiny objects

835
00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:31,680
Speaker 1: of affection. So when a two thousand nine study, participants

836
00:45:31,719 --> 00:45:35,439
Speaker 1: that viewed very cute images of puppies and kittens then

837
00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:39,480
Speaker 1: played the game operation actually performed better than participants that

838
00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:43,800
Speaker 1: saw less cute images. Our brains are conditioned to help

839
00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:47,360
Speaker 1: adorable things survive, but for many of us, there seems

840
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:49,759
Speaker 1: to be something else that draws us into caring for

841
00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:55,200
Speaker 1: tiny plants and tiny homes. And that's the simplicity. I

842
00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:58,360
Speaker 1: have a funny relationship with minimalism. Back in college, I

843
00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:01,279
Speaker 1: started abroad into Pollen Tibet, and on my trip I

844
00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:04,280
Speaker 1: took very few clothes, maybe two or three T shirts,

845
00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:07,440
Speaker 1: a couple of sweatshirts, and two pairs of pants. But

846
00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:10,400
Speaker 1: after my semester abroad, I remember coming back to the

847
00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:14,040
Speaker 1: States and every morning I'd wake up and just stare

848
00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:18,560
Speaker 1: into my closet, perplexed. Why do I have so many clothes?

849
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:21,920
Speaker 1: Why do I need this many clothes. I've lived so

850
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:25,280
Speaker 1: simply and so happily for months, and now everything felt

851
00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:30,120
Speaker 1: so daunting. Even looking around my room right now, I

852
00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:34,360
Speaker 1: see things I don't need too many books, clothes, things,

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Speaker 1: and that we keep trying to pare down and live simply,

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Speaker 1: things just seem to accumulate. And I think my romance

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Speaker 1: the reason I started doing humans growing stuff was because

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Speaker 1: the social media and the technology and things that clutter

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Speaker 1: up my mind and just put my hands in dirt

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Speaker 1: and spend time watching things grow. And part of what

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Speaker 1: I keep hearing in this program is that simplicity of

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Speaker 1: plants that they want to grow. They need just light

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Speaker 1: and soil and water, and for the tiniest plants to

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Speaker 1: live beautifully to thrive, their needs are really just that simple.

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Speaker 1: I've come to believe that there's a happiness to be

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Speaker 1: found in simplicity. This week, I switched jobs to pare

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Speaker 1: down my work and focus on things that feel essential

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Speaker 1: and make me happy. And in that process I cleared

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Speaker 1: my desk, I organized papers, I got rid of things

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Speaker 1: I didn't need, And in that organizing I made just

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Speaker 1: enough space for a tiny plant to sit on the

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Speaker 1: corner and serve as a reminder to simplify that I

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Speaker 1: don't need that much, and a reminder to watch this tiny,

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Speaker 1: happy thing thrive because it's not cute, it's awesome. That's

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Speaker 1: it for today's episode. Don't forget. No matter what season

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Speaker 1: it is or where you're at in your gardening journey,

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Speaker 1: there's some incredible resources waiting for you on the Miracle

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Speaker 1: Grow website. Join me next time as we explore the

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Speaker 1: many ways humans can learn and grow from plants. If

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Speaker 1: you like what you heard, don't forget to rate and

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Speaker 1: review the show on Apple Podcasts. Also, we want to

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Speaker 1: hear from you. What are your inspiring plant stories, relatable

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Speaker 1: struggles or growing questions taggers in your post or tweet

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Speaker 1: using the hashtag Humans Growing Stuff, and don't be surprised

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Speaker 1: if you hear your story featured on an upcoming episode.

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Speaker 1: Humans Growing Stuff is a collaboration from My Heart Radio

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Speaker 1: and your friends at Miracle Grow. Our show was written

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Speaker 1: and produced by Molly Sosha and me Mongay Chatigler in

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Speaker 1: partnership with Ryan Ovadia, Daniel Ainsworth, Hayley Ericson, and Garrett

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Speaker 1: Shannon of Banter Until next Time, Thanks so much for listening.

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