1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,360 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. M 4 00:00:24,280 --> 00:00:26,280 Speaker 1: Welcome back to the show. My name is Matt, my 5 00:00:26,360 --> 00:00:28,680 Speaker 1: name is Nol. They called me Ben. We're joined with 6 00:00:28,720 --> 00:00:33,360 Speaker 1: our super producer, Paul Michigan controlled decade. Most importantly, you 7 00:00:33,400 --> 00:00:37,120 Speaker 1: are you. You are here, and that makes this stuff 8 00:00:37,280 --> 00:00:40,560 Speaker 1: they don't want you to know. The Course of true 9 00:00:40,600 --> 00:00:44,400 Speaker 1: love it's often said never did run smooth, and this 10 00:00:44,520 --> 00:00:50,560 Speaker 1: episode UH might not run incredibly smoothly either. We need 11 00:00:50,600 --> 00:00:54,800 Speaker 1: to open I think with a disclaimer. This episode contains 12 00:00:55,320 --> 00:01:01,240 Speaker 1: UH descriptions of sexual violence, descriptions of murder, hamas side suicide, 13 00:01:01,640 --> 00:01:05,920 Speaker 1: and a boatload of language that reasonable people would find 14 00:01:05,959 --> 00:01:10,000 Speaker 1: incredibly offensive. So if that is something that would be 15 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:13,160 Speaker 1: difficult for you to listen to, now is the time 16 00:01:13,200 --> 00:01:19,680 Speaker 1: to turn back. Assuming you're still here, Uh, let's dive in. 17 00:01:20,200 --> 00:01:23,399 Speaker 1: At some point in our lives, regardless of who we 18 00:01:23,480 --> 00:01:27,119 Speaker 1: are in society or how we feel about ourselves, virtually 19 00:01:27,160 --> 00:01:30,600 Speaker 1: every one of us has grappled with those heavy, tough 20 00:01:30,840 --> 00:01:35,919 Speaker 1: questions of romance, of amorous feelings, of love, and of course, 21 00:01:36,480 --> 00:01:42,120 Speaker 1: love's ugly cousin heartbreak and likely experienced um rejection or 22 00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:45,560 Speaker 1: a feeling of being some sort of outcast, at least 23 00:01:45,600 --> 00:01:48,440 Speaker 1: for a time. People aren't usually don't usually come out 24 00:01:48,440 --> 00:01:52,200 Speaker 1: of the womb with complete and utter sexual confidence, something 25 00:01:52,240 --> 00:01:53,760 Speaker 1: you have to kind of work your way into. I mean, 26 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:56,800 Speaker 1: other than Morrissey, that's right. Well, Morrissey is a very 27 00:01:56,800 --> 00:01:59,800 Speaker 1: special case. It's true. I don't know if Morrissey was 28 00:02:00,320 --> 00:02:04,360 Speaker 1: born or just sort of um self generated. You know, 29 00:02:04,440 --> 00:02:09,320 Speaker 1: you know Morrissey is editoriously a sexual celibate. Yeah, yeah, uh, 30 00:02:09,760 --> 00:02:14,239 Speaker 1: val Cell, That's what I would say. And this, this 31 00:02:14,600 --> 00:02:21,040 Speaker 1: unifying emotion, this unifying set of questions, uh, you know, 32 00:02:21,080 --> 00:02:26,200 Speaker 1: it runs across the human species. There's pretty compelling evidence 33 00:02:26,320 --> 00:02:29,880 Speaker 1: that other mammals, not just primates, experience what we would 34 00:02:29,880 --> 00:02:35,120 Speaker 1: call love, heartbreak, grief, envy, jealousy, the whole cavalcade of 35 00:02:35,200 --> 00:02:41,600 Speaker 1: related feelings. Today's episode explores an entire subculture dedicated in 36 00:02:41,680 --> 00:02:47,080 Speaker 1: some ways to these questions. This group calls itself collectively 37 00:02:47,600 --> 00:02:52,360 Speaker 1: in cells I, N, C, E. L. Here are the facts. 38 00:02:52,440 --> 00:02:54,800 Speaker 1: Let's start with that. Let's start with that one word. 39 00:02:55,520 --> 00:03:00,399 Speaker 1: What does in cell mean? It's just a portmanteau, it's 40 00:03:00,400 --> 00:03:05,280 Speaker 1: a it's a it's tew words involuntary and celibate. And 41 00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:09,880 Speaker 1: the gist basically is it's people who identify themselves as 42 00:03:09,919 --> 00:03:12,720 Speaker 1: this in cells. They believe they're the victims of some 43 00:03:12,919 --> 00:03:16,280 Speaker 1: oppressive society, the one in which we all exist, but 44 00:03:16,720 --> 00:03:19,800 Speaker 1: they view it as much more oppressive than perhaps the 45 00:03:19,800 --> 00:03:23,840 Speaker 1: average person would. And in this society, women, through their 46 00:03:23,880 --> 00:03:30,480 Speaker 1: purported control of uh, sex and relationships and sexual relationships, Uh, 47 00:03:30,520 --> 00:03:33,680 Speaker 1: they're able to control almost every single aspect of life. 48 00:03:33,840 --> 00:03:36,480 Speaker 1: And the person who identifies as an in cell is 49 00:03:36,880 --> 00:03:41,840 Speaker 1: the victim. Yeah. Yeah, The in cell movement has a 50 00:03:41,880 --> 00:03:45,840 Speaker 1: lot of different variations, but that's that's the key. They've 51 00:03:45,880 --> 00:03:49,360 Speaker 1: constructed this theory of attractiveness and will explore more of 52 00:03:49,400 --> 00:03:52,080 Speaker 1: that in a moment. I and I believe the best 53 00:03:52,080 --> 00:03:56,200 Speaker 1: way to succinctly describe it is a type of absolutist 54 00:03:56,360 --> 00:04:01,000 Speaker 1: sexual cast system. Yeah. And they've also constructed this worldview 55 00:04:01,040 --> 00:04:06,560 Speaker 1: where sex is an inalienable human rights um and a 56 00:04:06,600 --> 00:04:09,720 Speaker 1: big part of the language in the Intel community, at 57 00:04:09,760 --> 00:04:12,800 Speaker 1: least among most members, is the notion that they are 58 00:04:13,040 --> 00:04:17,279 Speaker 1: entitled in some way to sex as heterosexual males and 59 00:04:17,320 --> 00:04:21,640 Speaker 1: as we'll discuss very much. Is a heterosexual community. I 60 00:04:22,279 --> 00:04:25,200 Speaker 1: shy away from using the term movement, honestly, it gives 61 00:04:25,200 --> 00:04:26,600 Speaker 1: me the creeps that can I think of it more 62 00:04:26,600 --> 00:04:29,000 Speaker 1: as a as a community kind I don't know, it's well, 63 00:04:29,080 --> 00:04:31,159 Speaker 1: we'll get well, we'll discuss it, for sure, I would. 64 00:04:31,200 --> 00:04:37,120 Speaker 1: I would typically say a community, although many individuals in 65 00:04:37,200 --> 00:04:39,760 Speaker 1: that in this world, if you do see it as 66 00:04:39,760 --> 00:04:43,160 Speaker 1: a movement, the difference between a community and a movement 67 00:04:43,760 --> 00:04:47,960 Speaker 1: is in the word right. A movement is oriented towards 68 00:04:48,080 --> 00:04:52,360 Speaker 1: a specific set of goals that can be measured as 69 00:04:52,400 --> 00:04:57,880 Speaker 1: a successor failure. In this community inherently kind of lacks goals. 70 00:04:58,320 --> 00:05:03,360 Speaker 1: In fact, it's largely about furthering these negative feelings. If 71 00:05:03,400 --> 00:05:05,280 Speaker 1: you can say there's a goal, it's to feel as 72 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:08,280 Speaker 1: horrible about yourself as you possibly can. There are some 73 00:05:08,400 --> 00:05:12,599 Speaker 1: contradictory goals, for sure. I don't know that everyone agrees 74 00:05:13,400 --> 00:05:16,960 Speaker 1: within that community, certainly not outside of it, but I 75 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:20,560 Speaker 1: don't want to lose that. That point the the idea 76 00:05:20,720 --> 00:05:24,919 Speaker 1: that sex is a human right, that only a certain 77 00:05:24,960 --> 00:05:28,800 Speaker 1: type of person is indeed a person, and that desiring 78 00:05:28,839 --> 00:05:32,599 Speaker 1: sexual contact while not experiencing it, at least in the 79 00:05:32,640 --> 00:05:36,880 Speaker 1: way one desires is both deeply traumatic and a great 80 00:05:37,000 --> 00:05:40,320 Speaker 1: historical crime of our age. So out of all the 81 00:05:40,360 --> 00:05:44,480 Speaker 1: horrible things human beings have ever done, not getting laid 82 00:05:44,880 --> 00:05:46,840 Speaker 1: to be crass about it is somewhere at the top. 83 00:05:46,880 --> 00:05:51,040 Speaker 1: Forget about genocide and mass starvation. And we we want 84 00:05:51,040 --> 00:05:52,720 Speaker 1: to be very clear and knowing you, you raise an 85 00:05:52,720 --> 00:05:55,880 Speaker 1: excellent point here in this worldview, there is no room 86 00:05:56,040 --> 00:06:02,480 Speaker 1: for same sex relationships, the trans community, lgbt q, I A, 87 00:06:02,760 --> 00:06:07,240 Speaker 1: and so on in this in this reality, there is 88 00:06:07,279 --> 00:06:10,640 Speaker 1: only a black and white again absolutist reckoning in which 89 00:06:10,680 --> 00:06:15,440 Speaker 1: men and women are the only players. And we've read 90 00:06:16,640 --> 00:06:21,400 Speaker 1: the three of us have gone far, far far down 91 00:06:21,400 --> 00:06:25,359 Speaker 1: this rabbit hole. I've read some stuff about same sex 92 00:06:25,400 --> 00:06:29,040 Speaker 1: relationships from this perspective, and a lot of the people 93 00:06:29,279 --> 00:06:33,160 Speaker 1: who are against it believe that get this, I don't 94 00:06:33,160 --> 00:06:35,320 Speaker 1: know if you, if you guys saw this, believe that 95 00:06:35,480 --> 00:06:38,440 Speaker 1: people who feel that they are gay or attracted to 96 00:06:38,480 --> 00:06:42,719 Speaker 1: members of the same sex are just deluded because of 97 00:06:42,760 --> 00:06:48,200 Speaker 1: the evils of feminism, and that they have been um 98 00:06:48,680 --> 00:06:51,359 Speaker 1: bamboozled for lack of a better word, because they have 99 00:06:51,440 --> 00:06:55,160 Speaker 1: never met a quote unquote real member of the other gender. 100 00:06:56,000 --> 00:06:59,840 Speaker 1: Very strange, very strange, and and like many insular groups 101 00:07:00,520 --> 00:07:04,560 Speaker 1: like cults or militaries or religions, the in cell community 102 00:07:04,600 --> 00:07:08,000 Speaker 1: both isolates and identifies its members through the use of 103 00:07:08,040 --> 00:07:13,320 Speaker 1: acquired terminology or jargon. Right, we have phrases like normy 104 00:07:14,040 --> 00:07:16,960 Speaker 1: for most of us listening, and for us here in 105 00:07:16,960 --> 00:07:20,920 Speaker 1: the studio that term is us, where either normans are 106 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:23,440 Speaker 1: chats well it well. Also, the Norman is one that 107 00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:26,120 Speaker 1: has meaning outside of this community. I mean, it's certainly 108 00:07:26,480 --> 00:07:29,680 Speaker 1: kind of an Internet term for squares, I guess, you know. 109 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:33,520 Speaker 1: But then within the in cell community it's its own thing. 110 00:07:34,160 --> 00:07:36,280 Speaker 1: And some of the terms they use are very much 111 00:07:36,680 --> 00:07:39,160 Speaker 1: exclusive to the in cell community, and some like that 112 00:07:39,200 --> 00:07:41,480 Speaker 1: they kind of co opt and give their own little 113 00:07:41,520 --> 00:07:46,120 Speaker 1: spin to right right, right, So a Stacey or Chad 114 00:07:46,360 --> 00:07:51,480 Speaker 1: is an attractive, popular person who has, in their view 115 00:07:51,880 --> 00:07:55,160 Speaker 1: the majority of sex on Earth. Actually, I mean, that's 116 00:07:55,200 --> 00:07:58,680 Speaker 1: literally what it is. And there are other variations of 117 00:07:58,720 --> 00:08:02,480 Speaker 1: this that we can explore. There are more examples. You. 118 00:08:02,720 --> 00:08:07,000 Speaker 1: The term woman is very very very rarely used. It's 119 00:08:07,040 --> 00:08:12,920 Speaker 1: either phemoid, femoid, or female. But the best phemoid, though, 120 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:14,440 Speaker 1: is it's kind of the one they really lean on 121 00:08:14,520 --> 00:08:17,480 Speaker 1: to me, that's just this inherently mothering name for women. 122 00:08:17,520 --> 00:08:20,560 Speaker 1: It sounds like some kind of callous, unfeeling robot like 123 00:08:20,600 --> 00:08:23,960 Speaker 1: think like the fembots from the Austin Powers movie. Also 124 00:08:24,160 --> 00:08:27,240 Speaker 1: akin to like some kind of natural resource that has 125 00:08:27,280 --> 00:08:30,120 Speaker 1: to be harvested and used rather than you know, like 126 00:08:30,160 --> 00:08:33,360 Speaker 1: a thinking, feeling human person. Yeah, goes back to the 127 00:08:33,360 --> 00:08:39,280 Speaker 1: word humanoid, right, that resembling a human exactly. So there 128 00:08:39,080 --> 00:08:44,200 Speaker 1: are there are other things like beta buxing, mogging, magging, 129 00:08:44,360 --> 00:08:50,840 Speaker 1: I enjoyed. Magging is essentially when someone feels that some 130 00:08:50,960 --> 00:08:54,800 Speaker 1: other I guess maybe a competitive It's a competitive thing, 131 00:08:54,880 --> 00:08:59,400 Speaker 1: so they So, for instance, if uh, Paul michigantrol decade 132 00:08:59,400 --> 00:09:01,120 Speaker 1: and don't worry, Paul, I'm not using you as an 133 00:09:01,120 --> 00:09:03,640 Speaker 1: in cell example. I know you'd never forgive me. I 134 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:06,959 Speaker 1: can see Matt's reaction to your face right now. So 135 00:09:07,040 --> 00:09:11,240 Speaker 1: let's say let's say Paul is um in like a 136 00:09:11,800 --> 00:09:16,840 Speaker 1: singles party, mingling dating or something, and then uh, someone, 137 00:09:18,360 --> 00:09:22,199 Speaker 1: some in cell person wants to talk about a book 138 00:09:22,360 --> 00:09:25,040 Speaker 1: or a book becomes part of the conversation and Paul 139 00:09:25,080 --> 00:09:27,600 Speaker 1: has read the book. If the person is insecure enough, 140 00:09:27,920 --> 00:09:31,160 Speaker 1: they will feel that Paul has somehow mogged them or 141 00:09:31,280 --> 00:09:34,400 Speaker 1: one up to them or uh made them seem like 142 00:09:34,440 --> 00:09:37,679 Speaker 1: they have less value by having read that book as well, 143 00:09:37,920 --> 00:09:40,960 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So it's really mogging, like 144 00:09:41,040 --> 00:09:44,679 Speaker 1: beauty or pornography is in the eye of the beholder. Interesting. 145 00:09:45,400 --> 00:09:48,080 Speaker 1: There's also an inherently as we'll get more into this 146 00:09:48,160 --> 00:09:50,480 Speaker 1: later as we start to talk about some physical qualities, 147 00:09:50,480 --> 00:09:53,960 Speaker 1: but there's an inherently problematic kind of racist language as 148 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:56,560 Speaker 1: well in the in cell community. So you can be 149 00:09:56,640 --> 00:09:59,600 Speaker 1: an in cell of color, but if that is what 150 00:09:59,720 --> 00:10:03,280 Speaker 1: you are, than they almost exclusively blame your lack of 151 00:10:03,320 --> 00:10:07,760 Speaker 1: success on women are attributed to the race. And these 152 00:10:07,800 --> 00:10:09,480 Speaker 1: are some very offensive terms, and a lot of this 153 00:10:09,720 --> 00:10:12,360 Speaker 1: comes from a fantastic video on YouTube called from a 154 00:10:12,440 --> 00:10:15,400 Speaker 1: channel called ContraPoints um and there's a video on in 155 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:17,760 Speaker 1: cells in that that I cannot recommend highly enough. But 156 00:10:18,120 --> 00:10:23,800 Speaker 1: terms like um rice cell or black cell or um 157 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:27,440 Speaker 1: curry cell to refer to people of other races, so 158 00:10:27,520 --> 00:10:30,920 Speaker 1: it's almost like they're making that the focal point of 159 00:10:30,960 --> 00:10:33,360 Speaker 1: their deficiency rather than some of the other details that 160 00:10:33,360 --> 00:10:36,440 Speaker 1: we're going to get into right right, And there's uh, 161 00:10:36,480 --> 00:10:40,680 Speaker 1: there's an important point here because oftentimes those those words 162 00:10:40,720 --> 00:10:44,920 Speaker 1: are self applied, which which would be startling, I think 163 00:10:44,960 --> 00:10:46,640 Speaker 1: to a lot of people from the outside because they 164 00:10:46,640 --> 00:10:49,240 Speaker 1: are very racist. Yes, this is a very self loathing 165 00:10:49,360 --> 00:10:55,480 Speaker 1: centered community. And so there are um categories that in 166 00:10:55,520 --> 00:10:59,559 Speaker 1: cells divide themselves into, the racial category being one. Uh. 167 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:03,959 Speaker 1: It's also they'll also base their description on what they 168 00:11:03,960 --> 00:11:06,920 Speaker 1: see as their sex life or what they see as 169 00:11:06,960 --> 00:11:11,560 Speaker 1: the physical or mental or social defect that's keeping them 170 00:11:11,600 --> 00:11:14,400 Speaker 1: from attracting women, where as they would say obtaining sex. 171 00:11:14,520 --> 00:11:18,640 Speaker 1: These are things like brain cells, near cells, people who 172 00:11:18,720 --> 00:11:21,320 Speaker 1: feel like they do have sexual contact but that it's 173 00:11:21,400 --> 00:11:25,720 Speaker 1: so uh sparse that they're they're almost in cells where 174 00:11:25,720 --> 00:11:28,880 Speaker 1: they're almost red pilling, which comes up in just a second. 175 00:11:29,480 --> 00:11:33,080 Speaker 1: Mayor cells Marcel's people who are married but in a 176 00:11:33,120 --> 00:11:35,880 Speaker 1: sexless marriage, or even having as specific as having a 177 00:11:35,920 --> 00:11:38,760 Speaker 1: weak wrist they call it the wrist cells or being 178 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:42,560 Speaker 1: too short or too tall height cells. Yeah, and as 179 00:11:42,640 --> 00:11:45,760 Speaker 1: I was reading this list, I kept thinking, you know, 180 00:11:47,080 --> 00:11:49,240 Speaker 1: what do you call the person who's gone the longest 181 00:11:49,280 --> 00:11:53,400 Speaker 1: amount of time? Are they? Are they a duras cell? 182 00:11:52,880 --> 00:11:55,600 Speaker 1: But I do not step down from that. You don't 183 00:11:55,600 --> 00:11:59,520 Speaker 1: need it. I will die on this hill. But I 184 00:11:59,559 --> 00:12:01,560 Speaker 1: mean that's that's a little bit of levity. And to 185 00:12:01,640 --> 00:12:05,360 Speaker 1: be honest, I didn't see anything with dura cell. But 186 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:08,520 Speaker 1: let's talk about pills. So cells are big and so 187 00:12:08,640 --> 00:12:12,880 Speaker 1: are pills. The concepts espoused first in The Matrix, which 188 00:12:13,559 --> 00:12:18,199 Speaker 1: was made by people who would be found objectionable by 189 00:12:18,200 --> 00:12:25,960 Speaker 1: this community, right where the who went on to both transition, Yeah, exactly. 190 00:12:26,600 --> 00:12:29,439 Speaker 1: I didn't realize they both transied. Yeah, they're like twins, 191 00:12:29,480 --> 00:12:32,520 Speaker 1: I believe, and they clearly shared the same experience in 192 00:12:32,640 --> 00:12:37,320 Speaker 1: terms of their sexuality, their identities. So we all remember 193 00:12:37,400 --> 00:12:41,120 Speaker 1: in the Matrix, I'm assuming. Okay, if you haven't seen 194 00:12:41,160 --> 00:12:43,720 Speaker 1: The Matrix yet, spoilers. I rewatched it actually over the 195 00:12:43,720 --> 00:12:48,040 Speaker 1: weekend with my kid. Yeah, amazing, Okay, it didn't quite 196 00:12:48,080 --> 00:12:50,319 Speaker 1: hold up for me, And I think the reason is 197 00:12:50,360 --> 00:12:53,320 Speaker 1: this because it's been parodied and ripped off so much 198 00:12:53,760 --> 00:12:56,240 Speaker 1: that it almost looks like a parody of itself at 199 00:12:56,240 --> 00:12:59,319 Speaker 1: this point, at no fault of its own. Sure does 200 00:12:59,320 --> 00:13:01,280 Speaker 1: that make sense? I can see where you're coming from. 201 00:13:01,720 --> 00:13:06,120 Speaker 1: I the the idea here goes back to a scene 202 00:13:06,120 --> 00:13:11,200 Speaker 1: in the Matrix where in uh oh, what's the what Morpheus? Right, 203 00:13:11,280 --> 00:13:17,000 Speaker 1: wherein Morpheus offers the protagonist Neo a choice. He can 204 00:13:17,040 --> 00:13:20,839 Speaker 1: take a blue pill and he'll just forget the weird 205 00:13:20,920 --> 00:13:23,040 Speaker 1: stuff that happened leading up to that moment and live 206 00:13:23,080 --> 00:13:25,360 Speaker 1: out his life, or he can take the red pill 207 00:13:25,920 --> 00:13:30,240 Speaker 1: and have his eyes opened, encounter a revelation to see 208 00:13:30,240 --> 00:13:33,680 Speaker 1: the world as it truly is in the universe of 209 00:13:33,720 --> 00:13:37,320 Speaker 1: in Seldom. The term red pill describes someone who, like 210 00:13:37,480 --> 00:13:40,320 Speaker 1: Neo in the Matrix, takes that red pill experience as 211 00:13:40,320 --> 00:13:44,199 Speaker 1: a revelation and now recognizes the quote unquote true nature 212 00:13:44,200 --> 00:13:47,960 Speaker 1: of human society, accepting this absolutist black and white view 213 00:13:48,559 --> 00:13:52,840 Speaker 1: and primarily subscribing to the belief that society discriminates not 214 00:13:52,960 --> 00:13:58,080 Speaker 1: against women but against men, specifically against you. You know 215 00:13:58,120 --> 00:14:02,320 Speaker 1: what I mean. It's it's very bleak, very bleak wal view, 216 00:14:02,320 --> 00:14:04,920 Speaker 1: and red pilling is just the act of spreading this 217 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:08,480 Speaker 1: world view, of convincing other people of proselytizing for in Seldom, 218 00:14:08,520 --> 00:14:13,199 Speaker 1: and this applies to all right thinking and neo Nazism. 219 00:14:13,240 --> 00:14:15,880 Speaker 1: The idea of Rigg being red pilled is when you 220 00:14:15,920 --> 00:14:18,240 Speaker 1: have a mentor of some kind or someone who welcomes 221 00:14:18,280 --> 00:14:20,520 Speaker 1: you into this world in this way of thinking, and 222 00:14:20,560 --> 00:14:24,760 Speaker 1: it takes yeah, yeah, well said this also occurs with 223 00:14:25,200 --> 00:14:31,320 Speaker 1: how they rebranded race brace supremacy arguments. Oh uh, race realism, 224 00:14:31,640 --> 00:14:34,160 Speaker 1: did you guys run into that one? That's that's the 225 00:14:34,200 --> 00:14:36,640 Speaker 1: thing people are saying with a straight face. Uh. And 226 00:14:36,680 --> 00:14:39,280 Speaker 1: then there's black pill. Yeah. So if red pill is 227 00:14:39,800 --> 00:14:45,560 Speaker 1: societal like worldview change kind of thing, black pill is 228 00:14:45,600 --> 00:14:49,360 Speaker 1: a little even more metaphysical, and it's going deeper even 229 00:14:49,360 --> 00:14:53,880 Speaker 1: than the red pill. It's, uh, this fatalistic version of 230 00:14:53,920 --> 00:14:57,240 Speaker 1: the world in which people who believe it inside the 231 00:14:57,240 --> 00:15:02,160 Speaker 1: in cell community, they subscribe to this biological determinism where 232 00:15:02,680 --> 00:15:06,400 Speaker 1: your your body was basically as you were born, it 233 00:15:06,480 --> 00:15:09,440 Speaker 1: was determined even before you were born that you were 234 00:15:09,480 --> 00:15:12,880 Speaker 1: going to be an insult because of these traits that 235 00:15:12,960 --> 00:15:15,640 Speaker 1: you have. Either it's your height or your risks or 236 00:15:15,680 --> 00:15:20,400 Speaker 1: your forehead shape or shape of your skull. Yeah, whatever 237 00:15:20,440 --> 00:15:23,440 Speaker 1: it is, these factors are going to make you unattractive. 238 00:15:24,040 --> 00:15:26,760 Speaker 1: And then the same the same thing applies to people 239 00:15:26,800 --> 00:15:32,160 Speaker 1: who are attractive, and just you cannot change your in 240 00:15:32,280 --> 00:15:35,320 Speaker 1: seldom and you cannot change the Chad dum or whatever 241 00:15:35,400 --> 00:15:39,000 Speaker 1: other version of humanity that exists out there. Yeah, And 242 00:15:39,040 --> 00:15:41,920 Speaker 1: the whole the black pill is is really just the 243 00:15:42,720 --> 00:15:46,040 Speaker 1: everything that comes along with going full bore into this 244 00:15:46,520 --> 00:15:49,080 Speaker 1: very nihilistic worldview and everything that comes along with it, 245 00:15:49,240 --> 00:15:51,960 Speaker 1: and Natalie, when a k ContraPoints on the YouTube channel 246 00:15:52,040 --> 00:15:53,680 Speaker 1: was talking about, kind of breaks it down in a 247 00:15:53,720 --> 00:15:57,880 Speaker 1: really interesting way. UM describes the black pill as the 248 00:15:58,000 --> 00:16:00,640 Speaker 1: self defeating world view with no hope of happiness and 249 00:16:00,720 --> 00:16:07,120 Speaker 1: sexual gratification. UM sexual market value is genetic, completely unchangeable, 250 00:16:07,280 --> 00:16:09,880 Speaker 1: this idea that you will be a virgin forever, that 251 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:12,200 Speaker 1: you'll never be able to have sex, therefore you will 252 00:16:12,240 --> 00:16:14,960 Speaker 1: never be able to have happiness and you should just 253 00:16:15,400 --> 00:16:19,800 Speaker 1: l D A R or lay down and rot again. 254 00:16:19,960 --> 00:16:24,280 Speaker 1: Like like many UM. I don't want to call it 255 00:16:24,320 --> 00:16:27,400 Speaker 1: a cult, but like many cults or movements that mess 256 00:16:27,440 --> 00:16:32,640 Speaker 1: with your mind, there's this preponderance of very specific terminology 257 00:16:32,840 --> 00:16:37,320 Speaker 1: and acronyms. Scientology uses a ton of acronyms for a reason. 258 00:16:37,760 --> 00:16:40,720 Speaker 1: It works when you want to make people do and 259 00:16:40,760 --> 00:16:43,600 Speaker 1: think as you would have them do and think. If 260 00:16:44,040 --> 00:16:47,160 Speaker 1: neither the red pill nor the black pill uh suits you, 261 00:16:47,560 --> 00:16:53,320 Speaker 1: then congratulations, sheeople Uh you along with me personally, are 262 00:16:53,480 --> 00:16:56,120 Speaker 1: a blue pill. That means that you, like most of 263 00:16:56,160 --> 00:16:59,680 Speaker 1: the world, don't accept this belief and in cells will 264 00:16:59,680 --> 00:17:05,040 Speaker 1: can it or you cartoonishly deluded? So how did they 265 00:17:05,080 --> 00:17:09,240 Speaker 1: get here? Let's look at the timeline. It's fascinating because 266 00:17:09,280 --> 00:17:13,840 Speaker 1: we mentioned Okay, so we mentioned the ContraPoints video is 267 00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:19,720 Speaker 1: a great exploration of this community. Uh, the matrix is 268 00:17:20,080 --> 00:17:25,040 Speaker 1: founding mythology both by trans people right or who who 269 00:17:25,040 --> 00:17:28,000 Speaker 1: have now transitioned. That's the contra Poicte channel. It's a 270 00:17:28,080 --> 00:17:31,080 Speaker 1: trans woman who does this channel and incredibly intelligent and 271 00:17:31,080 --> 00:17:35,280 Speaker 1: funny and wonderfully produced and to the great shame of 272 00:17:35,320 --> 00:17:38,399 Speaker 1: the in cell community. Or this is the first stuff 273 00:17:38,400 --> 00:17:42,280 Speaker 1: they don't want you to know. This movement was originally 274 00:17:42,320 --> 00:17:46,000 Speaker 1: the brainchild of Believe It or Not. A woman in 275 00:17:46,280 --> 00:17:50,080 Speaker 1: the ninety nineties, a bisexual college student known only by 276 00:17:50,240 --> 00:17:53,639 Speaker 1: her first name Alana, was living in Toronto, Canada, and 277 00:17:53,680 --> 00:17:58,560 Speaker 1: started a website called Alana's Involuntary Celibacy Project for those who, 278 00:17:58,720 --> 00:18:02,480 Speaker 1: like her, were struging to form loving relationships or felt 279 00:18:02,520 --> 00:18:06,760 Speaker 1: maybe they were late bloomers, you know. And she described 280 00:18:06,800 --> 00:18:09,960 Speaker 1: the side originally as a friendly place website where she 281 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:13,800 Speaker 1: posted articles. She ran a mailing list, people just talked 282 00:18:13,880 --> 00:18:18,560 Speaker 1: about their personal experiences. Uh. To quote the country song 283 00:18:18,640 --> 00:18:21,040 Speaker 1: looking for Love in All the Wrong places, yeah, and 284 00:18:21,080 --> 00:18:24,159 Speaker 1: just a general feeling of loneliness, and it was a 285 00:18:24,160 --> 00:18:26,520 Speaker 1: forum for men and women to talk about that and 286 00:18:26,640 --> 00:18:30,159 Speaker 1: much more of a support community as opposed to what 287 00:18:30,320 --> 00:18:33,119 Speaker 1: we'll see that it kind of twisted and mutated into 288 00:18:33,440 --> 00:18:36,520 Speaker 1: metastasized would be a good word, right, So we have 289 00:18:36,760 --> 00:18:40,760 Speaker 1: quotes from Alana. She says there was probably a bit 290 00:18:40,800 --> 00:18:43,240 Speaker 1: of anger and some men were a bit clueless about 291 00:18:43,280 --> 00:18:46,359 Speaker 1: how women are unique individual humans, but in general it 292 00:18:46,480 --> 00:18:49,200 Speaker 1: was a supportive place. And this is from an interview 293 00:18:49,400 --> 00:18:51,680 Speaker 1: that the BBC did with her a while back. How 294 00:18:51,720 --> 00:18:54,879 Speaker 1: supportive was it? Get this one couple who met on 295 00:18:54,920 --> 00:18:58,240 Speaker 1: this site ended up getting married and lived happily ever after. 296 00:18:58,440 --> 00:19:01,760 Speaker 1: So this was not a credibly toxic or negative place. 297 00:19:01,920 --> 00:19:04,400 Speaker 1: And fascinating thing about the in cell community and as 298 00:19:04,400 --> 00:19:06,800 Speaker 1: we see it, even in its earliest roots, the growth 299 00:19:06,880 --> 00:19:11,679 Speaker 1: of it um is very intertwined with digital communication, and 300 00:19:11,720 --> 00:19:15,080 Speaker 1: over the past few years numerous online forums have become 301 00:19:15,160 --> 00:19:22,040 Speaker 1: home to in cell philosophy. Yeah yeah. Originally Alana had 302 00:19:22,440 --> 00:19:26,159 Speaker 1: created the word in the cell i en v c 303 00:19:26,440 --> 00:19:30,639 Speaker 1: e l uh. Someone suggested in cell was easier to say, 304 00:19:30,720 --> 00:19:36,560 Speaker 1: and then also it's it's homophonic with imbecile. Right. So 305 00:19:38,440 --> 00:19:41,639 Speaker 1: to Alanna, the word in cell used to mean anybody 306 00:19:41,640 --> 00:19:43,879 Speaker 1: of any gender who was, as you said, Matt, just 307 00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:46,439 Speaker 1: lonely but never had had sex, or who hadn't had 308 00:19:46,440 --> 00:19:48,800 Speaker 1: a relationship in a long time. And she says, now 309 00:19:48,840 --> 00:19:52,359 Speaker 1: we can't call it that anymore. The word has been appropriated. 310 00:19:52,480 --> 00:19:55,159 Speaker 1: By two thousand, she began to move away with the 311 00:19:55,160 --> 00:19:57,400 Speaker 1: community and she thought, you know, my work here is done. 312 00:19:58,080 --> 00:20:01,800 Speaker 1: This is blossoming, this is growing. This is a good thing. Uh. 313 00:20:01,880 --> 00:20:06,600 Speaker 1: The digital world, the spontaneous communication, this low cost of 314 00:20:06,640 --> 00:20:10,240 Speaker 1: information is allowing people to meet and support one another. 315 00:20:10,600 --> 00:20:16,200 Speaker 1: But as the group grew, it became something fundamentally different. 316 00:20:16,720 --> 00:20:21,520 Speaker 1: It encountered what psychologists would call the extremity principle or 317 00:20:21,600 --> 00:20:25,200 Speaker 1: group polarization. And we'll get to that right after a 318 00:20:25,280 --> 00:20:36,479 Speaker 1: quick word from our sponsor, and we have returned, Matt, 319 00:20:37,040 --> 00:20:41,560 Speaker 1: have you ever been in a situation where, let's say 320 00:20:41,560 --> 00:20:44,119 Speaker 1: there's something that you kind of like, like maybe a 321 00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:48,560 Speaker 1: band or a I don't know, ice cream, and you've 322 00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:51,080 Speaker 1: met a group of other people who also kind of 323 00:20:51,080 --> 00:20:54,320 Speaker 1: like it. Yeah remember ice cream club? Oh yeah, I 324 00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:59,200 Speaker 1: remember ice cream club? And then you walk away. Studies 325 00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:01,439 Speaker 1: show that if you talk to people who feel the 326 00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:04,680 Speaker 1: same way you do, even about something relatively benign, even 327 00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:07,240 Speaker 1: if your feelings aren't particularly strong one way or the other. 328 00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:11,680 Speaker 1: If you already have that initial tendency or baseline opinion 329 00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:15,600 Speaker 1: and you talk with people who have similar beliefs, afterwards, 330 00:21:16,040 --> 00:21:19,080 Speaker 1: you will tend to have your belief in that thing 331 00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:23,560 Speaker 1: more extremes. So you might walk into some some conversation saying, oh, 332 00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:28,399 Speaker 1: are you guys talking about Ben and Jerry's chocolate peanut 333 00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:32,080 Speaker 1: butter fudge striped toffee explosion. I made that up And 334 00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:34,160 Speaker 1: they might be like, oh, yeah, it's pretty good, and like, oh, 335 00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:35,600 Speaker 1: what do you like about it? And as you start 336 00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:39,119 Speaker 1: talking about it, yeah, I think about that aspect, and 337 00:21:39,119 --> 00:21:40,879 Speaker 1: then you walk and you walk back and you're like, 338 00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:44,480 Speaker 1: you know what, that's my favorite ice cream flavor. Not 339 00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:46,760 Speaker 1: only is it my favorite, it's the best, possibly the 340 00:21:46,800 --> 00:21:50,240 Speaker 1: best ever. Yeah, there ever was that ever existed under 341 00:21:50,280 --> 00:21:52,719 Speaker 1: the sun, and other people just don't get it. You know. 342 00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:57,960 Speaker 1: That is an example of group polarization. The extremity principal 343 00:21:58,040 --> 00:22:01,280 Speaker 1: psychology shows us that people who holds similar beliefs tend 344 00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:04,560 Speaker 1: to congregate, and as people a similar beliefs speak with 345 00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:09,119 Speaker 1: one another. These beliefs tend to become more extreme. So okay, 346 00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:11,240 Speaker 1: so this is what happens with people who like fish 347 00:22:11,560 --> 00:22:17,639 Speaker 1: the band. Yes, shout out to our producer, Josh. Yes, 348 00:22:18,119 --> 00:22:21,320 Speaker 1: this this happens with bands. I'm totally kidding. I think 349 00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:25,680 Speaker 1: fish is great. Fish is fine, but I don't see 350 00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:29,119 Speaker 1: what the fish people see in it, you know. And 351 00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:31,840 Speaker 1: I think part of that is possibly the community and 352 00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:35,040 Speaker 1: the communal nature of going to a fish show and 353 00:22:35,119 --> 00:22:38,199 Speaker 1: being around your quote unquote people and you know, and 354 00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:39,679 Speaker 1: then if you if you took all that away and 355 00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:41,760 Speaker 1: just listen to their albums, I don't think it would 356 00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:45,040 Speaker 1: be the same experience if you're doing it in isolation, right, Yeah, 357 00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:47,399 Speaker 1: I agree, And I think you know to be fair 358 00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:50,960 Speaker 1: world pretty well outside the fish bowl. I mean, they're fine, 359 00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:53,560 Speaker 1: they're fine. Any of us even been to a fish show. Now. 360 00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:55,600 Speaker 1: I've had fish food ice cream by Ben and Jerry's, 361 00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:58,600 Speaker 1: which is great. Quite little fudge fish are awesome. The 362 00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:01,080 Speaker 1: closest for me is d n B Dave Matthews band. 363 00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:03,480 Speaker 1: I had that happened with me. You Got You Got 364 00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:09,800 Speaker 1: Red Pills Crab. Yeah, and I hated Nirvana because of 365 00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:12,800 Speaker 1: my insular d MB group. Matt, Matt have you been 366 00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:14,920 Speaker 1: have you been rehabbed? Though? Are you? Are you still 367 00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:18,639 Speaker 1: a Dave Dave ite? I'm better now. I still like 368 00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:24,840 Speaker 1: Dave Matthew. You can like both. Yeah, my songwriting smart? Yeah, 369 00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:29,120 Speaker 1: yes it is okay, Okay. Also I said some that's fair, 370 00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:34,200 Speaker 1: but that's these are These are innocuous examples, right. Studies 371 00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:39,040 Speaker 1: show that after these conversations happened, uh, both you listening 372 00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:43,280 Speaker 1: and the people you've spoken with will walk away agreeing 373 00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:47,240 Speaker 1: more essentially with your opinion, will be as the Simpsons 374 00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:50,640 Speaker 1: would say in Big End. This holds true for opinions 375 00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:55,160 Speaker 1: about sports, teams, ice cream, bands, like fish, other snacks, films, 376 00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:59,440 Speaker 1: philosophical beliefs. This also here's where it's weird. This also 377 00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:03,000 Speaker 1: holds roof for stuff we don't like. Let's say that 378 00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:06,000 Speaker 1: you think Police Academy for is the weakest film in 379 00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:09,640 Speaker 1: the entire franchise. Would ever think that? I don't know, man, yeah, 380 00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:13,119 Speaker 1: I wanted a herrowin example, and you interact with people 381 00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:16,600 Speaker 1: who share that belief after this conversation, you will likely 382 00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:19,520 Speaker 1: think even less of what is arguably one of the 383 00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:22,920 Speaker 1: most breathtaking cinematic achievements in this our modern age. I'm 384 00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:26,119 Speaker 1: tearing up just thinking about it too. Man. It's like 385 00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:28,840 Speaker 1: mob mentality, where you have a bunch of people that 386 00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:31,200 Speaker 1: are maybe a little bit racist, and then you start 387 00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:33,840 Speaker 1: getting them talking to each other and they manufacture like 388 00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:36,720 Speaker 1: this problem that doesn't even exist, and then nearly the 389 00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:39,640 Speaker 1: magnitude they think it does, all of a sudden, there's 390 00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:42,480 Speaker 1: devils everywhere and you gotta kill them. Yeah, you's gotta 391 00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:46,000 Speaker 1: kill them. They go from they'll create new problems that 392 00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:48,159 Speaker 1: don't exist. I love that you said that they go 393 00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:53,560 Speaker 1: from you know, well, I think this stereotype about the Germans, 394 00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:56,600 Speaker 1: or I tend to think the French are somewhat arrogant. 395 00:24:56,840 --> 00:24:59,639 Speaker 1: And then you know, a few weeks later, after joining 396 00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:03,400 Speaker 1: the right Facebook groups, they're like, hang the Welsh exactly. Yeah, well, 397 00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:07,080 Speaker 1: and this kind you're talking about a drift towards extremism, really, 398 00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:10,840 Speaker 1: and it doesn't just happen in these little things. It 399 00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:13,159 Speaker 1: happens in the big things, in the big communities and 400 00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:19,280 Speaker 1: religious communities, yeah, quickly, in political communities, especially on Facebook. 401 00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:23,199 Speaker 1: And it's exactly. It's exacerbated and accelerated by this social 402 00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:25,800 Speaker 1: media bubble that people just live in, and that is 403 00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:27,919 Speaker 1: what the in cell community is. If nothing else, it 404 00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:31,760 Speaker 1: is a bubble. You know. It's like when you only 405 00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:36,320 Speaker 1: watch Fox News, or you only watch CNBC, MSNBC or whatever, 406 00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:40,160 Speaker 1: and you choose to curate your experiences and blot out 407 00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:43,520 Speaker 1: any outside experiences, You're gonna become a more extreme version 408 00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:46,560 Speaker 1: of that thing. It's just gonna happen. And uh, digital 409 00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:50,560 Speaker 1: platforms play a huge role in this. There's no question 410 00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:53,760 Speaker 1: that Twitter played a huge role in the radicalization of 411 00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:57,399 Speaker 1: people who later went on to join Islamic insurgencies. There's 412 00:25:57,440 --> 00:26:02,240 Speaker 1: no question that Facebook and Russia played a huge role 413 00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:06,880 Speaker 1: in in making people in the US drift toward more 414 00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:10,720 Speaker 1: extreme beliefs, not just political stuff anyway. Again, there's a 415 00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:14,240 Speaker 1: book called Foundations of Geopolitics. It's the playbook for what's happening. 416 00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:17,360 Speaker 1: Read it has nothing to do with this episode. It's 417 00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:21,679 Speaker 1: weird plug, weird flex but okay, good but weird flex, 418 00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:26,720 Speaker 1: good book. Yes, they're just so so we see this. Um, 419 00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:29,400 Speaker 1: we did a video earlier, I think, um years back 420 00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:34,359 Speaker 1: on radicalization in Isis. But this this stuff still plays 421 00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:37,720 Speaker 1: a huge role. Just because you're not seeing a video 422 00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:41,400 Speaker 1: of someone getting beheaded doesn't mean this isn't dangerous when 423 00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:45,320 Speaker 1: it happens in other places, other communities, other bubbles. So 424 00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:50,480 Speaker 1: what does the in cell community believe? Now, let's let's 425 00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:54,720 Speaker 1: look at their modern beliefs. First off, shout out to 426 00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:58,200 Speaker 1: our house. Stuff works, DNA, how do humans work? Let's 427 00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:02,960 Speaker 1: in cells are very m adamant about this. Yeah, you 428 00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:05,879 Speaker 1: know all that stuff that you grew up around. Oh yeah, 429 00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:08,560 Speaker 1: there's a soul mate for you, somebody out there waiting 430 00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:11,439 Speaker 1: just for me. Equal Yeah, remember the whole thing, like 431 00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:13,520 Speaker 1: they're all these fish in the sea. There are enough 432 00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:17,560 Speaker 1: fish for everyone, I guess, and there is someone for you. 433 00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:22,720 Speaker 1: Well that is some bull crap, buddy, what poppy cock? 434 00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:28,280 Speaker 1: That's not very nice. Tell me more. Well. Attractiveness, you 435 00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:31,359 Speaker 1: know that thing when somebody's like, hey, I like you, 436 00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:34,120 Speaker 1: I like the cut of your jib, I'm digging this vibe. Yeah, 437 00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:37,920 Speaker 1: that's not an individual per person real thing. There's no 438 00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:42,359 Speaker 1: individuality involved. It's just a clear cut set of measurements 439 00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:45,680 Speaker 1: that are that are just in a couple of factors 440 00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:48,320 Speaker 1: and they are exhibited a couple of things. That sounds 441 00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:52,320 Speaker 1: very familiar. Yeah, vaguely eugenic in nature. But let's let's 442 00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:56,920 Speaker 1: let's go on, let's test these water. Speaking of genetics, 443 00:27:57,640 --> 00:28:00,399 Speaker 1: let's talk about your height, your bone struck sure, your 444 00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:04,760 Speaker 1: wrist size, your skin color, your forehead size. Yeah, let's 445 00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:07,520 Speaker 1: let's talk about that, because that right there is the 446 00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:11,840 Speaker 1: heart of what makes you attractive. Uh. There are some 447 00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:17,159 Speaker 1: socially uh accrued things that can get you an attractive 448 00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:21,399 Speaker 1: or can create a chad nous within you. Yeah. Most 449 00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:25,239 Speaker 1: of that is money, just money, wealth, and but there 450 00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:28,920 Speaker 1: are a couple of other things power, influence, prominence, being 451 00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:31,919 Speaker 1: a celebrity in general that can cause you to have 452 00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:35,720 Speaker 1: chad dom even as a founder of Facebook, like Bill 453 00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:38,680 Speaker 1: Gates for instance. Correct, it would be an example. There 454 00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:44,520 Speaker 1: are other factors. Let's see just a few. Um, personal initiative, 455 00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:46,800 Speaker 1: if you work out a lot, if you eat a 456 00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:51,760 Speaker 1: healthy diet, if you dressed well, making some of these things, 457 00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:54,160 Speaker 1: like if you actually make a self improvement in one 458 00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:57,360 Speaker 1: of these areas, it can be called max ing. Yeah. 459 00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:00,720 Speaker 1: But that's the thing though. In this community, term is 460 00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:03,760 Speaker 1: inherently kind of a negg, right, It's sort of like, oh, 461 00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:06,800 Speaker 1: you're how cute You're you're trying to lift yourself up 462 00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:09,880 Speaker 1: out of your pathetic squalor you're trying to dress Max 463 00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:14,320 Speaker 1: or looks Max, but your risk will still be exactly. Yeah, 464 00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:19,000 Speaker 1: that's that's one of the that's one of the inherently 465 00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:25,120 Speaker 1: I think contradictory things. There's also similar to it's distant 466 00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:28,680 Speaker 1: relation the world of pee ways or pickup artists. There's 467 00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:33,200 Speaker 1: this inherent belief that everything is programmatic and that if 468 00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:36,840 Speaker 1: one does action A, action B, a result B rather 469 00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:42,240 Speaker 1: will inevitably and immediately follow um. Super producer Paul was 470 00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:44,280 Speaker 1: telling me, I'll fair about a show on Netflix he's 471 00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:47,440 Speaker 1: watching I Believe called You, where one of the characters 472 00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:50,720 Speaker 1: is somewhat of an in cell type and actually does 473 00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:53,840 Speaker 1: pick up get a girl, but it's exclusively using these 474 00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:57,440 Speaker 1: kind of manipulative pickup artist techniques, and the inner monologue 475 00:29:57,440 --> 00:30:00,360 Speaker 1: the whole time is sort of like expressing disbelief, you know, 476 00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:03,240 Speaker 1: sort of like wow, it's really working, kind of you know, um, 477 00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:06,360 Speaker 1: but it's it's very much a bit of a of 478 00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:10,000 Speaker 1: a mark con kind of situational. Have you seen that? 479 00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:14,320 Speaker 1: Have you guys seen that? I have? Not? Okay, well, uh, 480 00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:16,480 Speaker 1: I don't want to ruin it for anyone. It's it's 481 00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:20,640 Speaker 1: worth watching. It is very lifetime ish. Actually, it's like 482 00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:24,320 Speaker 1: Lifetime after Dark kind of thing. But I'd be very 483 00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:27,760 Speaker 1: interested to hear what you guys think after concluding the 484 00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:30,760 Speaker 1: word I would use is problematic, and I think it's 485 00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:33,760 Speaker 1: I think it's a great comparison you're making. So one 486 00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:37,600 Speaker 1: of the great debates, just like just like you said, 487 00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:39,680 Speaker 1: one of the great debates in the in cell community 488 00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:44,080 Speaker 1: revolves around this um to do or not to do 489 00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:48,800 Speaker 1: question about whether one should attempt to max in one 490 00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:51,280 Speaker 1: way or another, right, get a get a better job, 491 00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:55,400 Speaker 1: dress better, maybe join a club like Toastmasters where you 492 00:30:55,480 --> 00:31:00,760 Speaker 1: learn to speak to other people, or instead to rebel 493 00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:05,480 Speaker 1: against this society. An attempts somehow to fundamentally change or 494 00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:08,600 Speaker 1: in this view, correct the status quo. This leads to 495 00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:12,680 Speaker 1: something called the beta uprising or the in cell rebellion, 496 00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:16,800 Speaker 1: which which we promise will get to. That's just a seed, uh, 497 00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:20,040 Speaker 1: that's we're just planting that acorn to grow into a 498 00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:25,200 Speaker 1: really bioke as this episode continues, Okay, beta uprising, Beta uprising, 499 00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:27,280 Speaker 1: and and what goes along with is too is in 500 00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:30,560 Speaker 1: the same way that maybe someone um who's having depression 501 00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:33,320 Speaker 1: would not take kindly to you just saying come on, 502 00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:35,440 Speaker 1: just get over it. Just get out of bed. You'll 503 00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:39,320 Speaker 1: be fine. You know you've got anxiety, go exercise, you know. Um. 504 00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:42,800 Speaker 1: In the in the ContraPoints video, she I believe coins 505 00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:44,520 Speaker 1: the term. I don't think this is in the community 506 00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:48,800 Speaker 1: Chad splaining when most in cells are not receptive to 507 00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:51,160 Speaker 1: being told to just get their ship together and try 508 00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:54,840 Speaker 1: and improve themselves. Um, and that idea of maxing is 509 00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:57,760 Speaker 1: looked at often with scorn and has some form of 510 00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:02,240 Speaker 1: fakery or as being not true to your in cell roots, 511 00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:05,400 Speaker 1: which they all still despise and think that they are 512 00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:09,080 Speaker 1: less than. It's so it's very uh counterintuitive the whole thing. Yeah, 513 00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:14,080 Speaker 1: there's double thing. And there's also this is something that 514 00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:17,280 Speaker 1: you pointed out from the from the contra Points video. 515 00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:20,520 Speaker 1: There's also this idea of catastrophizing. Could you tell us 516 00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:22,960 Speaker 1: a little bit more about what that is. Yeah, it's 517 00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:24,880 Speaker 1: something that I think we can all relate to on 518 00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:26,840 Speaker 1: some level at some point in our lives. But it's 519 00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:31,640 Speaker 1: just this kind of cyclical negative thinking UM with anxiety 520 00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:35,000 Speaker 1: and depression throwne in there. Um. Psych central dot com 521 00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:37,600 Speaker 1: describes it as an irrational thought a lot of us 522 00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:40,120 Speaker 1: have and believing that something is far worse than it 523 00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:42,880 Speaker 1: actually is um and it can take two different forms, 524 00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:46,360 Speaker 1: making a catastrophe out of a current situation and imagining 525 00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:49,360 Speaker 1: making a catastrophe out of a future situation. So it's 526 00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:53,200 Speaker 1: one of these things where the the extreme transition from 527 00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:57,760 Speaker 1: problem to we're all going to die, everything is hopeless 528 00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:01,720 Speaker 1: and pointless is a real stress, whereas the steps between 529 00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:04,520 Speaker 1: the individual spots on that spectrum maybe aren't as much. 530 00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:07,120 Speaker 1: But when you finally get to the end result where 531 00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:09,479 Speaker 1: your mind goes, you realize that this is very rational, 532 00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:12,360 Speaker 1: like the slow boiling of frauds. I would say that 533 00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:16,360 Speaker 1: I am highly guilty of catastrophizing about my own life. Yeah, 534 00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:18,720 Speaker 1: and I think it's something any most people have experienced 535 00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:20,920 Speaker 1: on some level or another. I i am have been 536 00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:23,200 Speaker 1: as well, and it had to work at it to 537 00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:26,440 Speaker 1: not do that. But it's inherently part of this whole 538 00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:30,440 Speaker 1: black pill worldview is that we will never find happiness, 539 00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:34,040 Speaker 1: will never find love or sex or kindness of any kind, 540 00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:37,200 Speaker 1: will always be treated as these outsider pariahs, and therefore 541 00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:40,520 Speaker 1: are doomed to a life of isolation and misery. What's 542 00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:43,960 Speaker 1: that line that from the invisibles everything is true, nothing 543 00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:47,760 Speaker 1: is permitted. Right. Oh yeah, I think that is it. 544 00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:50,440 Speaker 1: I don't know if it's verbatim, but it sounds right. Yeah, 545 00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:53,920 Speaker 1: there's a thematic similarity. So we've got the world painted 546 00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:57,040 Speaker 1: more or less right, we've got the gist, the bare 547 00:33:57,080 --> 00:34:03,440 Speaker 1: bones of this. Let's explore the most important aspect I 548 00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:06,360 Speaker 1: guess in the in cell community, or at least philosophically, 549 00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:12,040 Speaker 1: women and men. According to in cell belief, humanity works 550 00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:16,080 Speaker 1: on this adapted version of the Parado principle, the principle 551 00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:19,239 Speaker 1: it's called, and this means that around twenty of the 552 00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:25,080 Speaker 1: dudes in existence, if that get or obtain at least 553 00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:31,240 Speaker 1: eighty percent of the women, yep, get or obtain. Women 554 00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:34,719 Speaker 1: are thought to be both intellectually and morally inferior in 555 00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:38,800 Speaker 1: this in this worldview hypergamus, meaning that they sleep around 556 00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:42,759 Speaker 1: a lot from their teens to around age thirty, and 557 00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:46,360 Speaker 1: there is also some very creepy stuff about underage people 558 00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:49,000 Speaker 1: in the in cell community. But at the same time, 559 00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:52,360 Speaker 1: this double think occurs because despite the fact that women 560 00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:55,560 Speaker 1: are supposed to be markedly inferior, they are at the 561 00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:58,600 Speaker 1: same time enormously powerful due to, as you said, met 562 00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:02,440 Speaker 1: their perceived control over sexual relationships. And this is so 563 00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:07,040 Speaker 1: similar to other discriminatory world views. A racist, for example, 564 00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:10,799 Speaker 1: will also argue in terms of double think. Probably the 565 00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:14,799 Speaker 1: most prominent and disturbing example from World War Two was 566 00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:18,200 Speaker 1: that the Nazi Party and Nazi people who held Nazi 567 00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:24,720 Speaker 1: beliefs thought that Jewish people were inherently, irredeemably inferior, yet 568 00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:27,640 Speaker 1: literally in charge of the planet. So how do you 569 00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:30,399 Speaker 1: how do you hold these two ideas in your head? 570 00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:33,640 Speaker 1: In any group like this, the target of discrimination most 571 00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:37,399 Speaker 1: must be portrayed as fundamentally less than but also, for 572 00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:44,920 Speaker 1: some enormous reason, incredibly powerful. Women therefore function, according to 573 00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:48,920 Speaker 1: the in cells best as objects. And you know we're not. 574 00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:52,240 Speaker 1: We're not gonna do some song and dance and pretend 575 00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:56,000 Speaker 1: like the world is not riddled with misogyny. This, this 576 00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:58,520 Speaker 1: did not come out out of whole cloth, you know 577 00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:02,839 Speaker 1: what I mean. This came from somewhere. So that's how 578 00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:07,840 Speaker 1: they think of women, objects that are somehow inferior but 579 00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:12,000 Speaker 1: also all powerful and in charge of everything. Yeah, but 580 00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:15,399 Speaker 1: then what about the dudes? What about the dudes? Well, 581 00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:19,040 Speaker 1: there are several types of male and it's all based 582 00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:24,160 Speaker 1: on really a misunderstanding of mammal hierarchy and studies that 583 00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:27,160 Speaker 1: have come out a while ago about this kind of thing. 584 00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:30,560 Speaker 1: And it's it's phrase. As you've heard before, alpha's and 585 00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:33,759 Speaker 1: beta's really those are the two primary ones. But then 586 00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:38,399 Speaker 1: there's a third called the omega, which sounds awesome. Yeah, 587 00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:44,760 Speaker 1: but let's continue, all right. So in alpha is essentially 588 00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:47,000 Speaker 1: a chad. It's a high status male who gets all 589 00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:49,319 Speaker 1: the sex he wants just whenever he feels like it. 590 00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:53,359 Speaker 1: He just kind of points and then that's that's it. Alternately, 591 00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:57,120 Speaker 1: a an alpha may refer to a male's tall and 592 00:36:57,200 --> 00:36:59,839 Speaker 1: muscular body type. Like if you sit look at someone, 593 00:36:59,840 --> 00:37:02,480 Speaker 1: it's that guy looks like an alpha. That's what you're 594 00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:06,359 Speaker 1: talking about. You have a muscular dude, right. Essentially, that's it, 595 00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:10,640 Speaker 1: um And this the thought is that this alpha is 596 00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:16,600 Speaker 1: just irresistibly attractive to all females, not just Stacy's who 597 00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:18,799 Speaker 1: as we kind of mentioned before, but also Becky's which 598 00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:20,960 Speaker 1: I don't even know if we mentioned a Becky. Becky's 599 00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:24,880 Speaker 1: are just more average looking, possibly a little nerdy females, 600 00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:27,720 Speaker 1: sort of a female equivalent of a beta. Yeah, exactly 601 00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:32,000 Speaker 1: a beta. So yes, in this case, both alpha and 602 00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:37,560 Speaker 1: beta females. I guess, um, I find the alpha male irresistible. 603 00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:40,480 Speaker 1: And these guys sit at the absolute top of the 604 00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:47,160 Speaker 1: human sexual food chain, right right. And there's a very 605 00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:53,360 Speaker 1: bitter comparison drawn here to uh, the dark triad and 606 00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:58,840 Speaker 1: the idea of being a bad malay you know this 607 00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:04,360 Speaker 1: again in this in this view or from this perspective, 608 00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:08,440 Speaker 1: and alpha is different from a bad boy due to 609 00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:14,840 Speaker 1: their restraints. So unlike for instance, Christian Bail in American Psycho, 610 00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:19,239 Speaker 1: these guys are able to not instantly immediately sexually assaulted 611 00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:23,160 Speaker 1: in murder everyone. But that makes them even more desirable. 612 00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:29,560 Speaker 1: It's a very very strange, circuitous logic path there. And 613 00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:31,800 Speaker 1: then we talked about I know we mentioned the Stacy's, 614 00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:35,560 Speaker 1: but Stacy's are kind of classified as being sexually promiscuous 615 00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:38,800 Speaker 1: lived the life of luxury. Never have to work instantly 616 00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:43,880 Speaker 1: arousing bodies with large brass curves that are attractive to 617 00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:47,600 Speaker 1: Chad's right, um, And this also is a sign that 618 00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:52,239 Speaker 1: they are fertile, right And this is a very agist community. 619 00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:56,880 Speaker 1: So the life of a Stacy is limited and stops 620 00:38:56,920 --> 00:39:02,960 Speaker 1: at age thirty according to most insults. Then we've got 621 00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:07,239 Speaker 1: the beta, right, the guy the beta guy is not 622 00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:11,320 Speaker 1: that great in relationships. Again, they use the word females, 623 00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:16,160 Speaker 1: which is it's funny um our. Our colleague Louren Vogel 624 00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:18,120 Speaker 1: Bomb pointed this out to me years ago, and it 625 00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:21,640 Speaker 1: still haunts me whenever people say female, I can't not 626 00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:27,640 Speaker 1: picture of for Angie, Yeah, you have to ask her 627 00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:29,920 Speaker 1: about it. I mean, it's such a clinical way of 628 00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:33,520 Speaker 1: looking at a human to categorize. Has anyone ever called 629 00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:36,760 Speaker 1: you a male? That's so weird that I would seem 630 00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:39,360 Speaker 1: very strange. And you have the some people say female 631 00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:42,120 Speaker 1: and conversation and it's you don't bad at eyes much. 632 00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:45,440 Speaker 1: But it still is inherently kind of clinical and strange. 633 00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:48,919 Speaker 1: I think most times when guys get called male, it's 634 00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:51,920 Speaker 1: either in a doctor's office or when there's an a 635 00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:57,560 Speaker 1: p B out, you know, male suspect. So so the beta, 636 00:39:57,840 --> 00:40:02,080 Speaker 1: for some reason, for one factor or another, is not 637 00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:07,560 Speaker 1: confident enough or competent enough to be at alpha. Maybe 638 00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:12,400 Speaker 1: because he doesn't buy into bad boy behavior, maybe because 639 00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:17,120 Speaker 1: of his something unchangeable about his physical appearance or his 640 00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:22,520 Speaker 1: social position. And they are often portrayed as the settled 641 00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:25,600 Speaker 1: down types, so in seldom would believe that once a 642 00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:28,719 Speaker 1: woman is hit what they call the wall around age thirty, 643 00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:32,880 Speaker 1: they seek a beta mail to financially support them, typically 644 00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:36,160 Speaker 1: through marriage, while they still pursue alpha's on the side. 645 00:40:36,239 --> 00:40:39,080 Speaker 1: And then, if they really want to paint urban legend 646 00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:43,319 Speaker 1: horror story of it, the beta male U ends up 647 00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:48,880 Speaker 1: taking care of someone else's child while the former Stacy 648 00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:51,400 Speaker 1: or whatever you wanna call it, whatever you wanna call 649 00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:54,320 Speaker 1: this person while they go off to pursue their adventures. 650 00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:58,520 Speaker 1: That's a terrible life, but still they argue it is 651 00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:02,680 Speaker 1: better than the worst of the worst. Yeah, the omega um, 652 00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:05,799 Speaker 1: that is, the guys with absolutely zero chance of ever 653 00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:10,839 Speaker 1: having sexual intercourse so far as they believe. Right, So 654 00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:16,680 Speaker 1: this is this is the kind of the the lowest. 655 00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:21,520 Speaker 1: These are the people who end up advocating some of 656 00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:24,239 Speaker 1: the more insane or fringe beliefs, at least people who 657 00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:27,319 Speaker 1: perceived themselves this way. And we talked about the way 658 00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:31,560 Speaker 1: that women are divided, right Stacy's, Becky's, Norman's Uh. Do 659 00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:36,120 Speaker 1: we mention the term roasty? No? Okay uh? And then 660 00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:40,800 Speaker 1: there is I would feel free to urban dictionary. I 661 00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:44,360 Speaker 1: would say watch the video Noel has mentioned multiple times 662 00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:50,239 Speaker 1: here and you'll learn about it. So there's also this 663 00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:53,880 Speaker 1: I think I mentioned earlier in this very agist but 664 00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:57,480 Speaker 1: if anyone were to ask me, hey, Ben, what is 665 00:41:57,719 --> 00:42:04,360 Speaker 1: the what is the peak desirable age to an insult? 666 00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:07,640 Speaker 1: What's the peak desirable age for a mate? Then I 667 00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:13,560 Speaker 1: would say it's gross because often people will advocate being 668 00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:18,040 Speaker 1: attracted to very very young teenagers, and these are guys 669 00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:22,440 Speaker 1: in their thirties and forties. We just have to mention that. 670 00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:26,440 Speaker 1: Now this is just scratching the surface. But we have 671 00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:29,200 Speaker 1: to look at Now we've got this philosophy, right, we 672 00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:36,279 Speaker 1: understand the universe, we understand the the crucial or pivotal relationship, 673 00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:39,120 Speaker 1: the debates around it. But how does this long winded 674 00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:43,920 Speaker 1: background on philosophy work out in the real world. To 675 00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:47,040 Speaker 1: answer that, we have to look at modern actions. First off, 676 00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:51,279 Speaker 1: these communities are being banned online left and right. Well, yeah, 677 00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:55,399 Speaker 1: and for good reason, right, I mean, not only are 678 00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:59,520 Speaker 1: they violating rules of whatever subreddit or whatever message board 679 00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:05,720 Speaker 1: they're on, especially concerning incitement to violence, and another really 680 00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:09,319 Speaker 1: big problem they have is hate speech. It just continues 681 00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:12,239 Speaker 1: to happen. And there are also other things. I mean, 682 00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:17,880 Speaker 1: when you get into some of the suicide uh talk 683 00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:20,200 Speaker 1: that occurs in a lot of these I mean, you're 684 00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:23,879 Speaker 1: not only are you violating rules in terms of use 685 00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:26,960 Speaker 1: and all that stuff, you're you're becoming a danger if 686 00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:30,840 Speaker 1: you're talking about suicide openly, like the way it happens 687 00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:33,080 Speaker 1: in these it's crazy too, because that's that's also part 688 00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:35,680 Speaker 1: of the language of these communities that they have a 689 00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:38,319 Speaker 1: name for it. It's called suey fuel. And a lot 690 00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:42,120 Speaker 1: of times people will post these um, you know, very 691 00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:46,600 Speaker 1: hopeless like kind of memes or whatever where it's like 692 00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:49,040 Speaker 1: there's some from from the video where it's like an 693 00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:52,320 Speaker 1: image of a bunch of women staring at the perspective 694 00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:55,600 Speaker 1: of whoever the viewer is with disgust and saying, like 695 00:43:56,080 --> 00:43:58,719 Speaker 1: the that feeling when you're the ugly guy and you 696 00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:01,160 Speaker 1: walk into a room or whatever. It's stuff like that 697 00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:04,240 Speaker 1: that just kind of like inherently makes you feel worse. 698 00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:06,359 Speaker 1: And they kind of when they get called on people 699 00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:08,240 Speaker 1: that post this stuff, they say, oh, it's just gallos 700 00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:11,600 Speaker 1: humor and it's certainly not trying to incite anybody to 701 00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:14,879 Speaker 1: do anything. But yet these boards are also filled with 702 00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:18,920 Speaker 1: actual suicidal ideations and people posting, whether they be cry 703 00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:20,880 Speaker 1: for Christ for help or what have you. That's a 704 00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:23,359 Speaker 1: very real part of it too, and advice on how 705 00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:28,400 Speaker 1: to do it right. So usually when one forum is banned, 706 00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:32,600 Speaker 1: another one will rise up beta style to take its place. 707 00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:38,280 Speaker 1: And now that we're talking about this idea of beta rising, 708 00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:42,680 Speaker 1: let's let's explore the beta uprising. The also known as 709 00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:45,400 Speaker 1: the in cell rebellion. The more extreme parts of the 710 00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:48,799 Speaker 1: in cell community call for a beta uprising. This would 711 00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:52,080 Speaker 1: be defined as collective action by people identifying both as 712 00:44:52,120 --> 00:44:56,680 Speaker 1: Beta and Omega too through acts of public violence force 713 00:44:56,840 --> 00:45:00,400 Speaker 1: a change in society. The logic and detail of this 714 00:45:00,520 --> 00:45:04,719 Speaker 1: plan shift, with the primary goal being to create conditions 715 00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:08,000 Speaker 1: wherein the in cells do not feel so oppressed and 716 00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:14,000 Speaker 1: can either uh force or induce women to sleep with them, or, 717 00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:17,440 Speaker 1: in some cases, for the very very misogynistic angry individuals, 718 00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:22,279 Speaker 1: UH just force women to live in some sort of 719 00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:29,320 Speaker 1: servitude right, or even mass killings. This is dark, deplorable, 720 00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:34,719 Speaker 1: very nasty stuff. But unfortunately, as long time listeners to 721 00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:36,799 Speaker 1: this show no and as the as the three of 722 00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:41,120 Speaker 1: us know, UH, it is not particularly anomalous. In the 723 00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:45,880 Speaker 1: vast cesspit of opinions on the Internet, there are people 724 00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:52,120 Speaker 1: advocating all sorts of horrible, horrible, horrible things. Sometimes they're trolling, 725 00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:56,160 Speaker 1: sometimes they're serious. Sometimes it is a dark Catharsis. But 726 00:45:56,440 --> 00:46:01,680 Speaker 1: things change when the digital trash talk and dark ideation 727 00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:06,719 Speaker 1: creates real world consequence. And the Insul community has done 728 00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:09,400 Speaker 1: just that, and we'll learn about it right after award 729 00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:21,680 Speaker 1: from our sponsor. Here's where it gets crazy, so in 730 00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:25,000 Speaker 1: seldom put on its big boy shoes terrorism wise. In 731 00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:29,400 Speaker 1: recent years, multiple young men identifying with this belief system 732 00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:34,480 Speaker 1: have conducted mass murders, and we have several examples. Unfortunately, 733 00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:38,080 Speaker 1: the first and most well known, I would say it 734 00:46:38,120 --> 00:46:40,799 Speaker 1: would be the case of Elliott Roger, who on May 735 00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:44,840 Speaker 1: um in East La Vista, which is part of Santa 736 00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:49,520 Speaker 1: Barbara County, California, murdered six people, injured fourteen, and took 737 00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:52,479 Speaker 1: his own life in his car. Yeah, the attack began 738 00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:55,120 Speaker 1: when he stabbed three men to death in his apartment, 739 00:46:55,520 --> 00:46:57,759 Speaker 1: and then he drove to a sorority house and he 740 00:46:57,880 --> 00:46:59,840 Speaker 1: tried to get in but he was unable to. He 741 00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:03,120 Speaker 1: then shot three women outside, two of them died, and 742 00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:05,480 Speaker 1: he drove past a nearby delhi and then shot to 743 00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:08,879 Speaker 1: death a male student who was inside that Delhi. Then 744 00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:12,120 Speaker 1: he began to speed through the area through Olivista and 745 00:47:12,239 --> 00:47:16,080 Speaker 1: he shot and wounded several other pedestrians. He hit people 746 00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:20,520 Speaker 1: with his car. Um In the end he exchanged gunfire 747 00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:23,839 Speaker 1: with police, and he did that twice actually as he 748 00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:26,920 Speaker 1: was going to all of these places, and he received 749 00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:31,480 Speaker 1: a non fatal gunshot wound to the hip. But in 750 00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:33,880 Speaker 1: the end, at the very end here he he crashed 751 00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:37,120 Speaker 1: his car into a parked vehicle and police found him 752 00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:39,680 Speaker 1: dead with a self inflicted gunshot wound to his head. 753 00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:45,280 Speaker 1: And before setting out for this sorority house, shortly after 754 00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:50,440 Speaker 1: he had stabbed three people in his apartment, he uploaded 755 00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:54,520 Speaker 1: a video to YouTube titled Roger's Retribution. In the video, 756 00:47:54,640 --> 00:47:58,520 Speaker 1: he details his attack plan. He states that he wants 757 00:47:58,560 --> 00:48:01,360 Speaker 1: to punish women for set actually rejecting him, and to 758 00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:05,680 Speaker 1: punish sexually active men and couples for essentially having sex. 759 00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:08,800 Speaker 1: He feels rejected. He doesn't know. He's like, I don't 760 00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:11,680 Speaker 1: see what you don't see in me. I am the 761 00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:16,600 Speaker 1: supreme gentleman. This moniker becomes important. It sticks around. Before 762 00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:19,240 Speaker 1: he does this, he sends a written document to about 763 00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:22,320 Speaker 1: thirty four people in total, his friends, family, and his therapist. 764 00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:26,000 Speaker 1: It is a long manifesto titled My Twisted World The 765 00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:32,319 Speaker 1: Story of Elliott Roger. In this manifesto, he claims that 766 00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:36,960 Speaker 1: in his ideal world, he would quarantine all women that's 767 00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:40,640 Speaker 1: not the term he uses in concentration camps, and says 768 00:48:40,719 --> 00:48:43,520 Speaker 1: that the vast majority of the population in these camps 769 00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:47,680 Speaker 1: would be starved to death deliberately. This would be an 770 00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:50,960 Speaker 1: efficient and fitting way to kill them all off. I 771 00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:54,000 Speaker 1: would have an enormous tower built for myself and gleefully 772 00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:57,080 Speaker 1: watch them all die. He also dreamed of a quote 773 00:48:57,120 --> 00:49:00,600 Speaker 1: pure world where man's mind can develop to greater heights 774 00:49:00,600 --> 00:49:03,680 Speaker 1: than ever before. Future generations will live their lives free 775 00:49:03,719 --> 00:49:06,280 Speaker 1: from having to worry about the barbarity of sex and women, 776 00:49:06,600 --> 00:49:09,200 Speaker 1: which will enable them to expand their intelligence and advance 777 00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:12,680 Speaker 1: the human race to a state of perfect civilization by 778 00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:15,360 Speaker 1: cutting out more than half of the human population. That 779 00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:17,600 Speaker 1: last part I'm adding because that's true. That's how the 780 00:49:17,640 --> 00:49:20,319 Speaker 1: numbers work. Absolutely no. And that's the thing too, that 781 00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:24,080 Speaker 1: that I meant to mention earlier. There are obviously shades 782 00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:28,080 Speaker 1: of in cells within this community, the most extreme being 783 00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:33,880 Speaker 1: abject hatred of women um and the maybe lesser extreme 784 00:49:34,080 --> 00:49:38,280 Speaker 1: being the more self loathing. I'm sad that women don't 785 00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:40,640 Speaker 1: find me attractive and then I'll never find happiness. But 786 00:49:40,680 --> 00:49:43,759 Speaker 1: they don't necessarily automatically take it to that level of 787 00:49:44,640 --> 00:49:48,319 Speaker 1: make women are sex slaves and uh or kill them right. 788 00:49:48,440 --> 00:49:52,360 Speaker 1: And this is not a defense of Roger in any case, 789 00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:55,680 Speaker 1: but he did have a very long history of mental 790 00:49:55,719 --> 00:50:00,120 Speaker 1: illness as well, which we we see often in in 791 00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:05,960 Speaker 1: these shooting deaths or in these mass murders. Upon his death, 792 00:50:06,719 --> 00:50:09,480 Speaker 1: when the story of the tragedy hit the news, the 793 00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:13,960 Speaker 1: Insuldum community began worshiping Elliott Roger to one degree or 794 00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:18,960 Speaker 1: another as a martyr. Unfortunately, uh he inspired other people 795 00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:23,560 Speaker 1: and just to go out here on a limb and 796 00:50:23,600 --> 00:50:27,600 Speaker 1: say this. We are speaking about the in cell community 797 00:50:27,640 --> 00:50:31,160 Speaker 1: as one community. We do not mean that every single 798 00:50:31,200 --> 00:50:34,759 Speaker 1: individual who perhaps identifies in one way or another as 799 00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:37,680 Speaker 1: an in cell believes that this is the right thing. 800 00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:41,680 Speaker 1: Oh no, yeah, exactly it is. If you go online 801 00:50:41,680 --> 00:50:43,680 Speaker 1: and you look at the message boards, you may feel 802 00:50:43,719 --> 00:50:47,320 Speaker 1: that way that every single person on this board thinks 803 00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:50,640 Speaker 1: this guy did the right thing. Um, I assure you 804 00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:53,640 Speaker 1: that that that is not the case. But in certain 805 00:50:53,719 --> 00:50:57,480 Speaker 1: subsets of this community, he is held up and revered 806 00:50:57,800 --> 00:51:01,359 Speaker 1: as some sort of proto messiah almost or something. Yeah, 807 00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:05,759 Speaker 1: it's the yeah, harbinger of the revolution. Well, we are 808 00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:10,320 Speaker 1: anything but absolutist, and that would be an absolutist worldview 809 00:51:10,360 --> 00:51:14,080 Speaker 1: to take, I believe. Uh. We also have to remember 810 00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:17,400 Speaker 1: that in the age of the Internet, when you're reading 811 00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:22,319 Speaker 1: the printed word and then is often posted anonymously, you 812 00:51:22,360 --> 00:51:26,120 Speaker 1: don't It's very difficult to divine the sincerity or motivation 813 00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:29,759 Speaker 1: for a piece of writing or a piece of communication. 814 00:51:30,600 --> 00:51:35,800 Speaker 1: But this martyrdom is real and it inspired more people. 815 00:51:36,320 --> 00:51:38,600 Speaker 1: And the next example would be a guy named Chris 816 00:51:38,719 --> 00:51:44,920 Speaker 1: Harper Mercer. In October one, Chris Harper Mercer, six year 817 00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:50,160 Speaker 1: old student at Umpqua Community College near Roseberg, Oregon, shot 818 00:51:50,239 --> 00:51:54,520 Speaker 1: nine people and then injured eight others. He was wounded 819 00:51:54,600 --> 00:51:57,000 Speaker 1: when the police arrived, and then he took his own life. 820 00:51:57,440 --> 00:52:01,239 Speaker 1: Before the shooting, he studied the actions of earlier shooters 821 00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:06,040 Speaker 1: such as Chow and such as Roger and cited these 822 00:52:07,080 --> 00:52:12,960 Speaker 1: people as his inspiration and influences and his um He 823 00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:17,840 Speaker 1: also had a history of, you know, unfortunately mental illness, 824 00:52:17,840 --> 00:52:21,080 Speaker 1: which again is not a it's a huge factor, but 825 00:52:21,239 --> 00:52:24,280 Speaker 1: it's not an excuse and it is certainly never a justification. 826 00:52:25,040 --> 00:52:29,480 Speaker 1: The timeline continues up to last year. There were there 827 00:52:29,480 --> 00:52:32,960 Speaker 1: were several instances here. Here's two of them. One in Canada. 828 00:52:33,040 --> 00:52:38,480 Speaker 1: Alec Menassian on April eighteen drove a rented van and 829 00:52:38,520 --> 00:52:42,160 Speaker 1: sped through the North York City Center business district, targeting 830 00:52:42,200 --> 00:52:45,640 Speaker 1: pedestrians with his van. He killed ten, he injured sixteen. 831 00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:48,160 Speaker 1: This was the most deadly attack of its kind in 832 00:52:48,239 --> 00:52:52,879 Speaker 1: Canadian history. Yeah. And prior to the attack, Menascian had 833 00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:56,799 Speaker 1: been active on several forums and in self front said 834 00:52:57,560 --> 00:53:01,000 Speaker 1: that it's called for some kind of rebel million and 835 00:53:01,080 --> 00:53:06,680 Speaker 1: also saluting the aforementioned supreme gentleman Rogers. Yes, so the 836 00:53:06,760 --> 00:53:09,719 Speaker 1: name came back. And there's another example to just from 837 00:53:09,719 --> 00:53:12,400 Speaker 1: as recently as November. Right, that's right, open pronouncing this 838 00:53:12,480 --> 00:53:14,040 Speaker 1: name right. Actually, I don't really care if I am 839 00:53:14,320 --> 00:53:18,600 Speaker 1: H Scott Paul Berry berre L Beryl Beryl b E 840 00:53:18,760 --> 00:53:22,040 Speaker 1: I E R L E. Not heard it spoken. Um. 841 00:53:22,080 --> 00:53:26,560 Speaker 1: But on November two, uh, this forty year old gentleman 842 00:53:26,960 --> 00:53:29,560 Speaker 1: um shot and killed two people and wounded five others 843 00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:34,839 Speaker 1: at a midtown yoga studio in Tallahassee before he took 844 00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:38,399 Speaker 1: his own life. Um. And he also cited Rogers as 845 00:53:38,440 --> 00:53:43,680 Speaker 1: an inspiration. Yeah, it's true. He also not only did 846 00:53:43,680 --> 00:53:46,200 Speaker 1: he cite Rogers an inspiration, but he had this long 847 00:53:46,360 --> 00:53:52,600 Speaker 1: history of groping women and had been in legal trouble 848 00:53:52,640 --> 00:53:56,640 Speaker 1: with this before he These guys also have some four 849 00:53:56,719 --> 00:54:00,640 Speaker 1: chin posts you can find. But this is well, this 850 00:54:00,760 --> 00:54:06,359 Speaker 1: is the most publicized phenomenon, real world consequence of this community. 851 00:54:06,520 --> 00:54:09,719 Speaker 1: And again, this community does not move in lockstep. Uh. 852 00:54:09,960 --> 00:54:13,919 Speaker 1: This is far from the only case. There's a very 853 00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:19,720 Speaker 1: high likelihood that people some people identify as in cells 854 00:54:19,760 --> 00:54:23,760 Speaker 1: have committed unsolved sex crimes because there is glorification of assault. 855 00:54:24,200 --> 00:54:27,640 Speaker 1: Given that some self identified members of the community have 856 00:54:27,719 --> 00:54:31,800 Speaker 1: gone online to brag about everything from intimidation to outright 857 00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:36,360 Speaker 1: sexual assault, including planning this stuff, by the way, and 858 00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:39,120 Speaker 1: advising each other on how to do it, it's disturbingly 859 00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:42,280 Speaker 1: likely that several members of the community have actually committed 860 00:54:42,560 --> 00:54:46,080 Speaker 1: acts of sexual violence. And again, in many cases these 861 00:54:46,120 --> 00:54:50,120 Speaker 1: could just be Internet trolls or people telling tales for attention, 862 00:54:50,480 --> 00:54:53,359 Speaker 1: but the frequency of these sorts of posts and the 863 00:54:53,600 --> 00:54:57,480 Speaker 1: anonymity right makes it unlikely that all of these are 864 00:54:57,560 --> 00:55:02,040 Speaker 1: pranks or works of fiction. And then there's the the 865 00:55:02,040 --> 00:55:06,839 Speaker 1: thing that I find incredibly disturbing, which is beyond an 866 00:55:06,880 --> 00:55:11,280 Speaker 1: individual act of sexual assault, and that is the concept 867 00:55:11,320 --> 00:55:15,680 Speaker 1: of what they call the redistribution of sex notably hit 868 00:55:15,719 --> 00:55:18,799 Speaker 1: the mainstream in a New York Times article. But the 869 00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:21,480 Speaker 1: belief is this more extreme members of the community will 870 00:55:21,520 --> 00:55:24,960 Speaker 1: call for things like the legalization of sexual assault or 871 00:55:25,040 --> 00:55:30,240 Speaker 1: some sort of state supported program to force sex, meaning 872 00:55:30,680 --> 00:55:34,200 Speaker 1: Uncle Sam or some you know um Orwellian big brother 873 00:55:34,280 --> 00:55:39,120 Speaker 1: kind of thing would make again, more than half of 874 00:55:39,160 --> 00:55:44,200 Speaker 1: the population sleep with the other half. Again, this idea 875 00:55:44,440 --> 00:55:47,160 Speaker 1: argues that men are the only real humans, and therefore 876 00:55:47,200 --> 00:55:51,160 Speaker 1: the human right to sex applies primarily and virtually solely 877 00:55:51,320 --> 00:55:57,560 Speaker 1: to men. This idea of systematic rape is it's a 878 00:55:57,640 --> 00:56:00,360 Speaker 1: real thing which baffles me. And this is this stuff, 879 00:56:00,480 --> 00:56:04,800 Speaker 1: the very stuff that Roger the and the original shooter 880 00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:07,840 Speaker 1: we talked about, talked about in his manifesto and in 881 00:56:07,960 --> 00:56:10,520 Speaker 1: his video that he made before carrying out some of 882 00:56:10,560 --> 00:56:15,600 Speaker 1: these these crimes. Yeah. Absolutely, And at this at this 883 00:56:15,680 --> 00:56:21,239 Speaker 1: point the story continues, it's again important to note that 884 00:56:21,280 --> 00:56:27,280 Speaker 1: there are tons of involuntarily celibrate people of all ages, genders, creeds, 885 00:56:27,280 --> 00:56:30,800 Speaker 1: and so on across this planet of ours. And these people, 886 00:56:31,239 --> 00:56:35,760 Speaker 1: while quite possibly unhappy with their sex lives, are certainly 887 00:56:35,760 --> 00:56:38,720 Speaker 1: not out to harm anyone. They're just looking for human connection. 888 00:56:38,880 --> 00:56:40,800 Speaker 1: And it's also we haven't really talked about the age 889 00:56:41,200 --> 00:56:44,680 Speaker 1: range of these folks because I used to call what's 890 00:56:44,680 --> 00:56:47,799 Speaker 1: being described here as just being an awkward, gawky teen 891 00:56:48,000 --> 00:56:50,279 Speaker 1: or something. You know, like, at what point did it 892 00:56:50,360 --> 00:56:54,120 Speaker 1: become kind of weaponized in this way? Right? And I 893 00:56:54,160 --> 00:56:56,600 Speaker 1: think the bubble quality that we're talking about with the 894 00:56:56,640 --> 00:57:00,520 Speaker 1: social media bubble, and especially when you factor in some 895 00:57:00,680 --> 00:57:04,600 Speaker 1: mental illness, mental health issues, and this kind of as 896 00:57:04,600 --> 00:57:07,799 Speaker 1: it's described in the Counterpoints video death cult model that 897 00:57:07,880 --> 00:57:10,400 Speaker 1: we have here. So this this notion that since Helia 898 00:57:10,480 --> 00:57:13,560 Speaker 1: never gonna win, then you might as well go for 899 00:57:13,800 --> 00:57:20,600 Speaker 1: suicide or worse, murder suicide revenge, right, right. And it's 900 00:57:21,240 --> 00:57:24,760 Speaker 1: it's crucial to note that the difference here is that 901 00:57:24,840 --> 00:57:29,520 Speaker 1: this online community is radicalizing isolated people and this is 902 00:57:29,600 --> 00:57:34,560 Speaker 1: creating real life murderers. One of the most common questions 903 00:57:34,560 --> 00:57:36,120 Speaker 1: I'm sure a lot of us were wondering this to 904 00:57:36,200 --> 00:57:38,040 Speaker 1: the course of this episode. One of the most common 905 00:57:38,120 --> 00:57:40,520 Speaker 1: questions people ask when they learn about this community is 906 00:57:40,800 --> 00:57:46,040 Speaker 1: why don't in cells just uh engage with sex workers? Right. 907 00:57:46,160 --> 00:57:50,919 Speaker 1: In many places, prostitution is legalized or decriminalized, so would 908 00:57:51,000 --> 00:57:56,240 Speaker 1: that be uh solution. The in cell community largely seems 909 00:57:56,360 --> 00:57:59,520 Speaker 1: to be against this, and there are some fantastic articles 910 00:57:59,600 --> 00:58:03,400 Speaker 1: by sex workers who say that this is not This 911 00:58:03,520 --> 00:58:06,000 Speaker 1: is not safe for sex workers. I also think it's 912 00:58:06,080 --> 00:58:08,760 Speaker 1: kind of missing the point because a lot of what 913 00:58:08,840 --> 00:58:13,040 Speaker 1: these people crave is the companionship that comes with sex, 914 00:58:13,120 --> 00:58:16,680 Speaker 1: not necessarily the sex act itself, um, more of the 915 00:58:16,720 --> 00:58:22,200 Speaker 1: companionship and the genuine closeness and uh intimacy which which 916 00:58:22,280 --> 00:58:24,440 Speaker 1: we kind of now we even gloss over. But it 917 00:58:24,480 --> 00:58:26,960 Speaker 1: feels like that point is maybe lost. That it's all 918 00:58:27,080 --> 00:58:30,000 Speaker 1: made about these little horn dogs that just can't get 919 00:58:30,040 --> 00:58:32,640 Speaker 1: what they want. But surely we all can relate to 920 00:58:32,680 --> 00:58:35,680 Speaker 1: the idea of being alone and not having anyone love 921 00:58:35,800 --> 00:58:39,480 Speaker 1: you and give you kindness and tenderness or whatever that 922 00:58:39,520 --> 00:58:41,560 Speaker 1: could kind of make you go a little nuts. I 923 00:58:41,560 --> 00:58:45,040 Speaker 1: could see that. Yeah, if if you're okay to watch 924 00:58:45,080 --> 00:58:48,600 Speaker 1: something a little more mature online, watch that ContraPoints video, 925 00:58:48,640 --> 00:58:52,280 Speaker 1: and the very first thing that it starts with describes 926 00:58:52,320 --> 00:58:56,640 Speaker 1: exactly what we're talking about here, the desire for intimacy. 927 00:58:56,960 --> 00:58:59,960 Speaker 1: That's what I mean by human connection. Yeah, for sure, sure, 928 00:59:00,400 --> 00:59:03,760 Speaker 1: that's it is true. You know it's not sex for 929 00:59:03,920 --> 00:59:09,880 Speaker 1: the sake of sex could easily be a transactional interaction, 930 00:59:10,040 --> 00:59:13,960 Speaker 1: especially when you're considering that someone's paying for it right. Also, 931 00:59:14,800 --> 00:59:20,240 Speaker 1: there are tons of social factors that we don't have 932 00:59:20,320 --> 00:59:23,840 Speaker 1: time to get into today. Uh. We are available if 933 00:59:23,880 --> 00:59:26,800 Speaker 1: you want to write to us with questions or feedback. 934 00:59:26,840 --> 00:59:29,240 Speaker 1: We'd love to hear from you. We want to thank 935 00:59:29,280 --> 00:59:31,800 Speaker 1: you for listening to this, and we want to hold 936 00:59:31,840 --> 00:59:35,720 Speaker 1: this up as an example of how online communities can 937 00:59:35,840 --> 00:59:39,200 Speaker 1: have real world consequences. And just to point this out, 938 00:59:39,800 --> 00:59:45,680 Speaker 1: I personally can identify with that feeling of being down 939 00:59:45,680 --> 00:59:49,400 Speaker 1: on yourself, not believing anything good about yourself when someone 940 00:59:49,440 --> 00:59:54,920 Speaker 1: compliments you, that feeling of believing the worst about yourself. Like, 941 00:59:55,000 --> 00:59:58,720 Speaker 1: whoever whoever craps on me the most is probably the 942 00:59:58,840 --> 01:00:01,600 Speaker 1: right person because they're telling me the truth. Wait wait wait, 943 01:00:01,600 --> 01:00:06,720 Speaker 1: people compliment you guys, um uh every every now and 944 01:00:06,760 --> 01:00:13,080 Speaker 1: again again, Like Ben can't hear it. He it doesn't 945 01:00:13,080 --> 01:00:16,520 Speaker 1: register in his ears, and it doesn't register in my 946 01:00:16,600 --> 01:00:19,920 Speaker 1: ears very well either. I almost cannot hear that. I 947 01:00:19,960 --> 01:00:23,440 Speaker 1: think it's a very human thing though, to always trying 948 01:00:23,480 --> 01:00:26,200 Speaker 1: to be to to to tend to be your worst 949 01:00:26,280 --> 01:00:29,040 Speaker 1: critic and your worst enemy. And because you know yourself 950 01:00:29,080 --> 01:00:32,240 Speaker 1: better than anyone else, therefore you must know the deep, 951 01:00:32,400 --> 01:00:36,200 Speaker 1: the deepest roots of your inadequacies. And then it's almost 952 01:00:36,200 --> 01:00:39,720 Speaker 1: like this idea of seeking out those negative comments, the 953 01:00:39,720 --> 01:00:42,600 Speaker 1: ones that cut to the core, and that you say, oh, yeah, see, 954 01:00:42,640 --> 01:00:44,280 Speaker 1: I was right all along because this is what I 955 01:00:44,320 --> 01:00:47,640 Speaker 1: already believed. What these people they're saying it's nice. I 956 01:00:47,680 --> 01:00:51,160 Speaker 1: don't believe that. Therefore, um, you know, it's it's not true. 957 01:00:51,880 --> 01:00:53,919 Speaker 1: It's a tough world out there. It's a tough world, 958 01:00:53,960 --> 01:00:56,120 Speaker 1: and it's a hard balance to strike, right. It's about 959 01:00:56,200 --> 01:00:59,520 Speaker 1: mental health and mental wellness and being good to yourself. 960 01:01:00,040 --> 01:01:02,600 Speaker 1: And not to chat explain or anything, but I do 961 01:01:02,720 --> 01:01:06,080 Speaker 1: feel like this is a mental health issue in a 962 01:01:06,120 --> 01:01:09,440 Speaker 1: lot of ways. Yeah, if you are feeling that way, 963 01:01:09,920 --> 01:01:12,840 Speaker 1: there's nothing I or anyone here could say to you 964 01:01:12,920 --> 01:01:15,440 Speaker 1: to probably make you feel better in this moment if 965 01:01:15,440 --> 01:01:18,760 Speaker 1: you're feeling this way right now. But there are people 966 01:01:18,800 --> 01:01:22,840 Speaker 1: out there who really do care about you and really 967 01:01:22,840 --> 01:01:25,600 Speaker 1: do think you're a great person. Whether you want to 968 01:01:25,640 --> 01:01:28,080 Speaker 1: believe that or not, it's true. I think there's probably 969 01:01:28,080 --> 01:01:32,560 Speaker 1: a lot of undiagnosed depression and anxiety and social stuff 970 01:01:32,560 --> 01:01:35,720 Speaker 1: that's going on here too. I'm gonna bring us to 971 01:01:36,120 --> 01:01:40,000 Speaker 1: a lighter note. Everybody hates to hear you are Not 972 01:01:40,080 --> 01:01:44,040 Speaker 1: Alone song coincidentally written by R Kelly. A lot of 973 01:01:44,080 --> 01:01:46,680 Speaker 1: people don't know. I just found that out. UH. To 974 01:01:46,960 --> 01:01:49,560 Speaker 1: end on a lighter note. 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