WEBVTT - The Dave Pasch Podcast - Robert Griffin III 0:00:03.279 --> 0:00:06.199 Everybody, and welcome to another edition of the Dave Pash Podcast. 0:00:06.240 --> 0:00:08.799 I'm your host Arizona Cardinals at ESPN, played by play 0:00:08.800 --> 0:00:12.160 announcer Dave Patch. My guest this week is Robert Griffin, 0:00:12.240 --> 0:00:15.720 the third Heisman Trophy winner at Baylor, Pro Bowl quarterback 0:00:15.760 --> 0:00:19.760 with Washington and current broadcaster at ESPN. He does college 0:00:19.760 --> 0:00:23.120 football games on Saturday, does NFL worked during the weekend 0:00:23.200 --> 0:00:26.040 studio as well as Monday night count Out. We're gonna 0:00:26.079 --> 0:00:29.440 talk with Robert about who his Heisman pick is for 0:00:29.480 --> 0:00:33.280 this season and also former Heisman Trophy winner Kyler Murray winner, 0:00:33.320 --> 0:00:36.040 his thoughts on Kyler and how he's performing with the 0:00:36.080 --> 0:00:39.640 Arizona Cardinals. Will also discuss Robert's current career as a 0:00:39.680 --> 0:00:43.840 television broadcaster and what the future holds for RG three 0:00:43.880 --> 0:00:46.080 in this business, and whether he still has it his 0:00:46.120 --> 0:00:48.760 hour to play football in the NFL. If a team 0:00:48.800 --> 0:00:51.240 called me tomorrow and said, Robert Kenyan tom b r 0:00:51.320 --> 0:00:54.800 starting quarterback, I'll be there. I stay prepared. I can 0:00:54.800 --> 0:00:57.120 still run, can still throw. Coach text to me the 0:00:57.120 --> 0:00:59.279 other day said hey, can you take a hit. I'm like, yeah, 0:00:59.280 --> 0:01:00.840 I can take a hit, but they can't hit what 0:01:00.960 --> 0:01:03.880 they can't get. We are presented by BETMGM, the official 0:01:03.920 --> 0:01:06.640 sports betting partner of the Arizona Cardinals, pan by Ela 0:01:06.720 --> 0:01:10.560 River Resorts in Casinos. 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So, Robert, I've been at ESPN 0:01:48.760 --> 0:01:52.000 and doing the Cardinals for two decades, and I've done 0:01:52.040 --> 0:01:55.720 so many interviews over the years with players and coaches 0:01:56.560 --> 0:02:00.600 across four different sports college football, NFL, NBA, college basketball, 0:02:00.640 --> 0:02:03.960 and there's about probably a dozen that really stand out that, 0:02:04.120 --> 0:02:07.880 like I remember exactly where I was with whom and 0:02:07.920 --> 0:02:10.920 how it went, and you're one of those. It was 0:02:11.000 --> 0:02:15.079 the Alamo Bowl in two thousand and eleven, after you'd 0:02:15.080 --> 0:02:17.880 won the Heisman Trophy. I'm sitting there with Chris Spielman 0:02:17.919 --> 0:02:22.400 and Quint Kesnick, who is your current sideline reporter, and 0:02:22.680 --> 0:02:25.640 first of all, you guys scored sixty seven points. It 0:02:25.760 --> 0:02:29.960 was I was scoring bowl game ever. But the interview 0:02:30.000 --> 0:02:32.720 is what stood out, Man, because you were just so impressive. 0:02:32.760 --> 0:02:35.400 I'm not surprised at all that you've gone into this 0:02:35.520 --> 0:02:38.359 business and have succeeded very early on in your career. 0:02:39.240 --> 0:02:42.000 Oh man, I appreciate that, David. You haven't. You have 0:02:42.000 --> 0:02:44.000 no idea how many times me and quite have talked 0:02:44.040 --> 0:02:47.679 about that Alimo Bowl. Just coming full circle, right, He 0:02:47.800 --> 0:02:50.480 was interviewing me throughout the week, and then now we're 0:02:50.480 --> 0:02:52.760 working together. So it's been a lot of fun. But 0:02:52.800 --> 0:02:55.040 my favorite part about that game was when we were 0:02:55.120 --> 0:02:58.800 down by I believe it was seventeen, like late in 0:02:58.800 --> 0:03:04.200 the third. He came back by running the football consistently, 0:03:04.400 --> 0:03:06.960 just handed it off the Terence Ganaway and I had 0:03:06.960 --> 0:03:08.280 to do what I had to do on a couple 0:03:08.280 --> 0:03:10.040 of blocks, just getting out in the open field and 0:03:10.040 --> 0:03:12.840 blocking from my guys because Washington was playing a lot 0:03:12.919 --> 0:03:14.600 of that two shelf defense that you've seen in the 0:03:14.720 --> 0:03:17.200 NFL now, or they're just trying to make you be patient, 0:03:17.639 --> 0:03:20.680 and that was one of the I think it lasted 0:03:20.720 --> 0:03:22.400 as one of the highest scoring Bowl games of all 0:03:22.440 --> 0:03:25.840 time for a while as a really fun game. Yeah, 0:03:25.880 --> 0:03:28.280 it's crazy that you actually had remember it in that 0:03:28.400 --> 0:03:30.680 great a detail considering all the great games you played 0:03:30.680 --> 0:03:32.840 and leading up to that to win the Haizard and 0:03:32.840 --> 0:03:35.320 then obviously the next year going to the playoffs with Washington. 0:03:36.240 --> 0:03:38.720 When did you start thinking about getting into this business, 0:03:38.760 --> 0:03:41.800 because obviously you've always been an incredible speaker, very smart guy. 0:03:42.480 --> 0:03:45.000 What is this something you thought about when you were 0:03:45.080 --> 0:03:47.200 in college? So maybe when you're done in the NFL 0:03:47.240 --> 0:03:50.680 you do TV or no, No, Dave. To be honest 0:03:50.720 --> 0:03:54.080 with you, this was never on my radar. Whether I 0:03:54.120 --> 0:03:56.880 played twenty years or five years, It wasn't something that 0:03:56.920 --> 0:03:59.800 I ever thought this was going to be an avenue 0:03:59.800 --> 0:04:03.040 for me. But I was. I say this with all 0:04:03.080 --> 0:04:06.360 good intentions. I was bothered for three years by my 0:04:06.400 --> 0:04:10.480 current agent, Mark Leppselter out of New York, and he 0:04:10.600 --> 0:04:12.720 just saw something in me, felt like I could do 0:04:12.760 --> 0:04:14.520 this and do it at a at a really high 0:04:14.600 --> 0:04:17.320 level for a long time, and after three years, I 0:04:17.360 --> 0:04:20.400 finally gave in. I did an audition with Fox. ESPN 0:04:20.480 --> 0:04:22.640 heard about the audition, I did audition with ESPN, and 0:04:22.680 --> 0:04:26.000 the rest is history. So I just think for me, 0:04:26.320 --> 0:04:29.159 as you know this, you gotta be yourself. Whenever you 0:04:29.240 --> 0:04:32.680 step foot on screen or in a TV booth, you 0:04:32.760 --> 0:04:35.480 gotta be yourself because that's the easiest thing to replicate. 0:04:35.839 --> 0:04:37.400 So over the last year and a half, I've been 0:04:37.440 --> 0:04:39.760 able to do that, have fun, do it in a 0:04:40.200 --> 0:04:43.360 unique way that's unique to myself. And I'm beyond blessed 0:04:43.360 --> 0:04:46.719 to work with Mark Jones and Kim Belton and Quinn 0:04:46.760 --> 0:04:49.000 Kessnick on that crew because we make it fun and 0:04:49.520 --> 0:04:52.159 then you kind of see that in the broadcast. Yeah, 0:04:52.240 --> 0:04:55.360 let me go go back to Kim Belton. Not many 0:04:55.360 --> 0:04:59.200 people realize that, you know, we all have when we 0:04:59.279 --> 0:05:01.640 call a game, we have a producer in our ear. 0:05:01.760 --> 0:05:06.080 That producer is basically the boss of the broadcast. And 0:05:06.279 --> 0:05:09.479 you know it's rare that the producer somebody that was 0:05:09.520 --> 0:05:12.880 an elite athlete. And Kim Belton was a first round 0:05:12.920 --> 0:05:14.360 draft pick of the Phoenix Suns. He's one of the 0:05:14.400 --> 0:05:18.240 all time leading scorers in Stanford basketball history. He was 0:05:18.320 --> 0:05:21.000 my first college football producer at ESPN back in two 0:05:21.040 --> 0:05:26.200 thousand and four. And it has it been helpful for 0:05:26.240 --> 0:05:28.919 you to have somebody in that seat that knows what 0:05:29.040 --> 0:05:32.719 it's like to be an elite athlete like yourself. Yeah, 0:05:32.839 --> 0:05:36.440 David does. And Kim has been in the business forty 0:05:36.440 --> 0:05:39.200 one years. Like he's been doing it doing it for 0:05:39.240 --> 0:05:42.839 a long time. My agent told me when I was 0:05:42.880 --> 0:05:46.080 partnered with Kim that this is the best possible scenario. 0:05:46.760 --> 0:05:49.760 He does an amazing job of helping guys transition from 0:05:49.760 --> 0:05:53.719 going on the field into the broadcast booth. He looked 0:05:53.720 --> 0:05:56.160 at him as a teacher. And as I've gone on 0:05:56.200 --> 0:05:59.400 to work with other producers, Kim still my game producer 0:05:59.440 --> 0:06:01.719 for a college ball but as I've worked with other 0:06:01.760 --> 0:06:05.360 producers and other studio shows or other aspects, there's a 0:06:05.520 --> 0:06:07.920 there's a defining quality about Kim, And you know this, 0:06:08.480 --> 0:06:12.279 he is like the boss, but he just commands a 0:06:12.320 --> 0:06:16.680 certain level of respect that I enjoy the conversation with 0:06:16.760 --> 0:06:20.280 Kim throughout the game when we're talking and where I 0:06:20.320 --> 0:06:22.359 see something and he sees it, and we see the 0:06:22.400 --> 0:06:26.640 game eerily similar. For a basketball guy to really see 0:06:26.680 --> 0:06:29.960 football the way that he does is extremely impressive, and 0:06:30.080 --> 0:06:33.400 I enjoy that part of it. So Kim has been incredible. 0:06:33.720 --> 0:06:35.599 I think he's the best in the business. Obviously, I 0:06:35.600 --> 0:06:38.760 haven't worked with with anybody else on an extended basis, 0:06:39.200 --> 0:06:41.680 but that crew has been really special over the last 0:06:41.760 --> 0:06:44.880 year and a half. You'll have to ask him. I 0:06:44.920 --> 0:06:47.719 can't say who it was, but you'll have to ask 0:06:47.800 --> 0:06:50.680 him about the time he and I were working together 0:06:50.800 --> 0:06:52.960 and I had to break up a fight in the booth. 0:06:55.320 --> 0:06:57.440 So next time you see Kim, say hey, I was 0:06:57.480 --> 0:06:59.640 just I was doing a podcast with Dave and he 0:06:59.680 --> 0:07:02.240 wanted He asked me to have you tell him the 0:07:02.279 --> 0:07:04.640 story of having to break up a fight in the 0:07:04.680 --> 0:07:08.520 booth in Hawaii. No less, wait Hawaii. You know draft 0:07:08.560 --> 0:07:10.080 pick in the NBA. This is a big guy. You 0:07:10.080 --> 0:07:12.240 don't want to mess with him. Well no, well it 0:07:12.320 --> 0:07:15.760 actually it wasn't. The fight wasn't with him. I was 0:07:15.800 --> 0:07:18.160 working with two analysts at the time and the two 0:07:18.160 --> 0:07:19.760 of them were about to throw it down, and so 0:07:19.800 --> 0:07:22.440 I had to I had to intervene. But yeah, there 0:07:22.480 --> 0:07:24.760 was a time too. Again, I can't remember the analysts. 0:07:24.920 --> 0:07:27.400 I remember the analysts name, but I can't say it. 0:07:27.440 --> 0:07:28.920 But you have to ask him about the time that 0:07:29.000 --> 0:07:31.360 he showed up in the booth because his analyst would 0:07:31.400 --> 0:07:33.240 not do what he asked him to do. So Kim 0:07:33.320 --> 0:07:36.920 left the truck out on the press box elevator, stood 0:07:36.960 --> 0:07:39.320 outside the press box and told the guy, are you 0:07:39.360 --> 0:07:41.360 gonna do it? Now? And you have to understand it. 0:07:41.440 --> 0:07:43.880 Kim Melton at six eight, two hundred and forty pounds 0:07:43.880 --> 0:07:46.120 comes to your broadcast boot and says, are you gonna 0:07:46.160 --> 0:07:48.480 do it? You're gonna do it or you're gonna get 0:07:48.520 --> 0:07:53.600 beat down? Oh, behind the scenes of broadcast TV, because 0:07:53.600 --> 0:07:56.160 I've heard some stories back that would really put people 0:07:56.160 --> 0:08:01.080 out there. That's crazy. I know people think like there 0:08:01.080 --> 0:08:03.160 are no egos in this business. There's probably more in 0:08:03.160 --> 0:08:06.440 this business than maybe even on the football field. Obviously, 0:08:06.480 --> 0:08:08.800 you do a lot of NFL stuff. You're doing Monday 0:08:08.840 --> 0:08:12.880 and I countdown. You're really busy right now. You enjoy 0:08:12.960 --> 0:08:15.160 the studio as much as the games. How would you 0:08:15.240 --> 0:08:19.720 kind of how would you measure your enjoyment in terms 0:08:19.720 --> 0:08:23.200 of games versus being in studio or on site. I 0:08:23.200 --> 0:08:25.800 guess it's not really studio you're on site, but it's 0:08:25.840 --> 0:08:28.760 a studio show. Yeah, it's still a studio show. They 0:08:28.800 --> 0:08:30.480 were Monday and I countdown, and you know, I was 0:08:30.480 --> 0:08:33.720 blessed enough to do college game date three or four 0:08:33.760 --> 0:08:36.679 times last year as well. I look at this as 0:08:36.760 --> 0:08:39.880 like a learning experience for me. Anybody that gets into 0:08:39.960 --> 0:08:42.200 like a new field kind of approach it like you 0:08:42.200 --> 0:08:44.800 would if you went to law school, they say, they say, 0:08:44.800 --> 0:08:46.440 when you go to law school, don't try to pick 0:08:46.679 --> 0:08:49.400 what you're gonna do right away. Kind of get a 0:08:49.440 --> 0:08:51.920 glimpse of everything and what's out there, and then whatever 0:08:51.960 --> 0:08:54.360 you gravitate towards that's what you can Then all right, 0:08:54.400 --> 0:08:55.760 this is what I'm going to do for the long 0:08:55.840 --> 0:08:59.600 term future. So for me, I enjoy both studio and 0:08:59.679 --> 0:09:05.160 the game games. It's extremely fun doing NFL and also 0:09:05.280 --> 0:09:07.840 being able to do college has been really fun. And 0:09:08.360 --> 0:09:10.240 as you know, in this business day, the more you 0:09:10.280 --> 0:09:13.080 can do, the more you can do, the more versatility 0:09:13.120 --> 0:09:15.600 you can have, the more opportunities that come your way. 0:09:15.920 --> 0:09:19.679 And I've just been blessed up at ESPN has you know, 0:09:19.720 --> 0:09:22.240 put me in spots that have allowed me to showcase 0:09:22.280 --> 0:09:25.200 that and put me with the right teams to you know, 0:09:25.360 --> 0:09:29.480 really fully maximize my own ability and add to the broadcast, 0:09:29.559 --> 0:09:32.280 whatever broadcast it may be, whether it's studio or on 0:09:32.320 --> 0:09:34.360 the game. So I enjoyed both. I'm not going to 0:09:34.400 --> 0:09:37.360 try to close any doors for myself. But of course, 0:09:37.400 --> 0:09:40.760 everybody wants to wants to call Monday Night football, everybody 0:09:40.760 --> 0:09:44.240 wants to be in a number one game booth. We're 0:09:44.280 --> 0:09:46.360 all trying to go out there and be the next 0:09:46.440 --> 0:09:49.120 John Madden and have fun calling the game and bring 0:09:49.160 --> 0:09:51.160 something new to it. So I'm no different in that. 0:09:51.559 --> 0:09:54.000 But at the end of the day, I'm here to entertain, 0:09:54.120 --> 0:09:56.560 add to the games, and be a storyteller. Well you 0:09:56.679 --> 0:10:00.319 definitely you've done all those things. You certainly entertain. I 0:10:00.720 --> 0:10:03.880 loved reading the article a Sportilla Street it did on 0:10:03.920 --> 0:10:09.040 you calling you the next breakout start ESPN and highlighting 0:10:09.200 --> 0:10:12.440 some of your commentary. Well not just a commentary like 0:10:12.559 --> 0:10:16.360 you're going in the tunnel at Michigan UM, but also 0:10:16.480 --> 0:10:19.199 some of the comments that you'll make, like I laughed 0:10:19.200 --> 0:10:21.160 out loud at the Black Friday comment man at the 0:10:21.200 --> 0:10:22.800 top of the show last week, because we are on 0:10:22.920 --> 0:10:25.720 right after you guys, and I saw I saw it. 0:10:26.880 --> 0:10:29.600 I don't know if that was okay or not, man, 0:10:29.640 --> 0:10:34.800 but I was die laughing. It's uh, you know some 0:10:34.920 --> 0:10:37.959 of that stuff, like the Black Friday comment. You know, 0:10:38.000 --> 0:10:40.960 I had said something before we went on air to 0:10:41.120 --> 0:10:44.400 Kim and he said, yeah, you're not saying that. So 0:10:44.679 --> 0:10:46.280 like the crew that I'm with and the guys that 0:10:46.320 --> 0:10:48.319 I work with, we have such a great relationship that 0:10:49.120 --> 0:10:50.880 we know what to say, what not to say. We 0:10:50.960 --> 0:10:55.120 know how to approach the line but not cross the line. 0:10:55.960 --> 0:10:59.520 For instance, with Alex Orgy, the quarterback from Michigan early 0:10:59.559 --> 0:11:03.280 in the year, like I wouldn't ever say there's an 0:11:03.400 --> 0:11:06.040 orgy in the end zone if the guy's last name 0:11:06.440 --> 0:11:09.040 was an Orgy, right, there's like a there's a certain 0:11:09.080 --> 0:11:13.160 protective barrier there. It's really thin. And in the middle 0:11:13.200 --> 0:11:15.600 of the year I kind of learned like, all right, 0:11:16.320 --> 0:11:20.040 let's make sure that's not the main thing. And over 0:11:20.080 --> 0:11:21.800 the last part of the year, I haven't had any 0:11:21.840 --> 0:11:24.560 of those types of things pop up because I wanted 0:11:24.600 --> 0:11:26.680 to make sure people understood like, we're here to entertain, 0:11:27.200 --> 0:11:30.839 but we're here to entertain for everybody, and that's why 0:11:30.880 --> 0:11:33.200 we have fun. The Black Friday comment, Listen, it's black 0:11:33.280 --> 0:11:35.559 Black Friday. You got a black play by play guy 0:11:35.600 --> 0:11:38.280 and Mark Jones, you got a black analyst. It was funny. 0:11:38.480 --> 0:11:41.280 It was funny, it was light. Nobody was really offended 0:11:41.320 --> 0:11:44.320 by it. People laughed, like you said, you laughed out loud. 0:11:44.360 --> 0:11:47.360 And we're here to provide entertainment. No, I'm not a comedian. 0:11:47.640 --> 0:11:49.360 And that's why when we break the game down and 0:11:49.400 --> 0:11:52.760 we teach, we draw you in with all those different aspects. 0:11:52.800 --> 0:11:55.040 And that's why, you know, I feel like we want 0:11:55.120 --> 0:11:58.240 to add to the broadcast. And don't be afraid to 0:11:58.240 --> 0:12:00.880 be yourself. If you're a corny dad joke type of guy, 0:12:01.320 --> 0:12:03.600 tell a couple of dad jokes, man, there's nothing wrong 0:12:03.640 --> 0:12:08.319 with that. Well, you certainly break it down too. And 0:12:08.360 --> 0:12:10.240 I want to talk a little bit about I want 0:12:10.240 --> 0:12:11.839 to talk about the Heisman race, but I also want 0:12:11.840 --> 0:12:14.880 to talk about the quarterback for the Cardinals, because there's 0:12:14.920 --> 0:12:18.199 a tight fraternity amongst the Heisman winners and you obviously 0:12:18.240 --> 0:12:22.440 being won and Kyler six or seven years after you 0:12:22.480 --> 0:12:25.160 won it, won his Heisman Trophy in the year four 0:12:25.200 --> 0:12:27.960 with the Cardinals. When you watch Kyler and you watch 0:12:27.960 --> 0:12:30.360 the Cardinals, I know you're doing the best you can 0:12:30.400 --> 0:12:31.760 with all the stuff you have going on to pay 0:12:31.800 --> 0:12:34.560 as close attention as you can. Well, what stands out 0:12:34.559 --> 0:12:38.720 to you about Kyler as an NFL quarterback? Yeah, I 0:12:38.760 --> 0:12:41.680 mean I think this year, more than anything did, Kyler 0:12:41.840 --> 0:12:44.120 seems to be on a different sheet of music than 0:12:44.160 --> 0:12:46.960 the rest of the offense. Now, in their last game, 0:12:47.000 --> 0:12:49.400 I thought it was cleaned up a little bit. You know, 0:12:49.480 --> 0:12:51.760 maybe the players and the coaches got to see Cole 0:12:51.880 --> 0:12:54.640 McCoy go out there and struggle a little bit, and 0:12:54.760 --> 0:12:56.960 maybe that kind of eased some of the tensions in 0:12:57.000 --> 0:13:01.120 the building with Kyla coming back. But I said this 0:13:01.160 --> 0:13:03.079 on Monday, and I count in and I truly believe this. 0:13:03.600 --> 0:13:06.080 Kyler is a very smart player. When we were in 0:13:06.160 --> 0:13:08.000 Mexico and he didn't play, I got to talk to 0:13:08.080 --> 0:13:11.200 him for about ten minutes on the field. He understands 0:13:11.240 --> 0:13:14.280 like the perception that's out there about him, wants to 0:13:14.280 --> 0:13:16.679 clean that up. And I know he didn't help himself 0:13:16.679 --> 0:13:19.280 with the comment he made in the post game saying 0:13:19.320 --> 0:13:22.520 that schematically they were screwed because it just brings more 0:13:24.320 --> 0:13:26.840 turbulence to their room, whether it's the coaches or the 0:13:26.840 --> 0:13:30.400 players or whatever. But he really needs to be the 0:13:30.440 --> 0:13:33.600 one install in the offense. This is a situation in 0:13:33.679 --> 0:13:38.400 Arizona eerily similar to Denver, where Russell Wilson's going to 0:13:38.440 --> 0:13:40.960 be the quarterback. You have to find a way to 0:13:41.000 --> 0:13:43.440 get the most out of him because you guaranteed him 0:13:43.440 --> 0:13:45.720 so much money. No one's gonna trade for Russell Wilson 0:13:45.760 --> 0:13:48.600 at this point. Kyler Murray, on the other hand, it's 0:13:48.600 --> 0:13:50.400 not that no one will trade for him. It's just 0:13:50.440 --> 0:13:53.720 that this was a hand picked ideal situation for him 0:13:53.920 --> 0:13:56.480 with the coach that recruited him out of college, I mean, 0:13:56.520 --> 0:13:57.960 out of high school to go to Texas A and 0:13:58.080 --> 0:14:02.040 M and clip Thingsbury. So if Kyler's seeing things differently 0:14:02.080 --> 0:14:05.079 than the rest of the offense, make him do the installs, 0:14:05.400 --> 0:14:08.960 because then the receivers will know, all right, versus dis coverage, 0:14:09.120 --> 0:14:13.480 this is what Kyler's thinking as opposed to versus dis coverage. 0:14:13.520 --> 0:14:15.880 This is what Cliff Kingsbury is thinking. This is what 0:14:15.960 --> 0:14:17.839 my receiver coach is thinking, this is what the running 0:14:17.840 --> 0:14:20.160 back coach is thinking. And if they do that, I 0:14:20.240 --> 0:14:22.160 think they can get it back on track. Now this 0:14:22.240 --> 0:14:24.920 year might be lost for them, but in the future 0:14:25.000 --> 0:14:27.320 moving forward, that's how I think they should do it. 0:14:27.320 --> 0:14:30.320 Because you've already paid Kyler so much money. He is 0:14:30.360 --> 0:14:33.800 your guy. There is no well, it's his fault. It's 0:14:33.840 --> 0:14:36.440 got to be everybody in this thing. And Kyler can 0:14:36.480 --> 0:14:39.680 really help himself by just communicating with his teammates a 0:14:39.720 --> 0:14:43.200 little bit better to let them know what he's expecting. Robert, 0:14:43.240 --> 0:14:46.160 I do think it was good for him to be 0:14:46.240 --> 0:14:48.040 in a position where for a couple of weeks he 0:14:48.440 --> 0:14:52.600 could just watch Colt run the offense. He was more 0:14:52.600 --> 0:14:55.600 decisive this pass game, no question, it was getting out 0:14:55.640 --> 0:14:58.920 of his hand Quicker. I think it was much easier 0:14:58.920 --> 0:15:01.360 too for Cliff and the stat to sell Kyler on 0:15:01.400 --> 0:15:04.080 that by saying, hey, you saw it the last two games, 0:15:04.120 --> 0:15:07.120 Colts getting rid of it quickly putting guys in position 0:15:07.160 --> 0:15:10.480 to succeed getting into his playmakers. You mentioned you had 0:15:10.520 --> 0:15:12.560 a chance to talk to him for ten minutes in Mexico. 0:15:12.920 --> 0:15:15.960 Did you offer any advice to him. Yeah, you know, 0:15:16.120 --> 0:15:18.040 we kind of joked a little bit because I make 0:15:18.120 --> 0:15:20.520 some short jokes about Kyler on Twitter every now and then, 0:15:20.800 --> 0:15:22.560 and you know, we're a Heisman brother, so it's like 0:15:22.560 --> 0:15:25.120 it's all funny games. But at the end of the day, 0:15:25.240 --> 0:15:29.800 for him, the conversation then went to not trying to 0:15:29.880 --> 0:15:33.040 do too much. There's a lot of things like, Kyler's 0:15:33.040 --> 0:15:36.800 been a winner his entire life, right whether high school. 0:15:36.840 --> 0:15:39.760 I believe he went undefeated. You know, he listed that 0:15:39.800 --> 0:15:42.080 at his press conference when they had the whole homework 0:15:42.080 --> 0:15:45.080 clause press conference earlier in the year. But he's been 0:15:45.120 --> 0:15:47.400 a winner his whole life. And you get this large 0:15:47.400 --> 0:15:51.160 amount of money. With that money comes to expectations, and 0:15:51.280 --> 0:15:54.040 sometimes you can try to do too much. So yes, 0:15:54.280 --> 0:15:56.520 does it help to kind of sit out while you're 0:15:56.520 --> 0:15:58.880 a little banged up and watch the backup going there 0:15:58.880 --> 0:16:02.720 and just operate the office. Yes, But here is what 0:16:03.160 --> 0:16:06.920 I took from that was, Colt McCoy is Colt McCoy. 0:16:06.960 --> 0:16:08.520 If he goes out there, gets the ball out of 0:16:08.520 --> 0:16:10.960 his hands and works the offense, he can only take 0:16:10.960 --> 0:16:14.160 you so far. But if Kyler Murray does the same 0:16:14.200 --> 0:16:17.200 thing and gives you a couple of those, just wow, 0:16:17.360 --> 0:16:20.560 Kyler Murray plays every now and then they're gonna be 0:16:20.680 --> 0:16:23.600 a lot better football team with Kyler Murray at the helm. 0:16:23.960 --> 0:16:26.400 And that's kind of all we talked about. Just you know, 0:16:26.920 --> 0:16:29.760 don't let the outside perception affect what you do on 0:16:29.800 --> 0:16:33.520 the inside. Don't try to convince everyone in the building 0:16:33.520 --> 0:16:36.320 that you're not this guy that they're telling you that 0:16:36.400 --> 0:16:39.600 you are on the outside. Go about your business, be 0:16:39.720 --> 0:16:43.280 a good teammate, work hard, run the offense, and get 0:16:43.320 --> 0:16:45.080 the ball to your playmakers. And like I said, I 0:16:45.160 --> 0:16:47.200 think he did a better job of that against the Chargers. 0:16:47.400 --> 0:16:50.520 Even though they didn't get the victory, they looked much 0:16:50.600 --> 0:16:53.960 better than they have all year. You know, it's amazing 0:16:54.000 --> 0:16:57.480 the run that Oklahoma had a quarterbacks that either won 0:16:57.480 --> 0:17:01.040 the Heisman or and Jalan Hurts he's being the runner up. 0:17:01.440 --> 0:17:03.960 Oklahoma quarterback's not gonna win the Heisman this year. But 0:17:04.400 --> 0:17:08.000 Caleb Williams was in Oklahoma. And I don't know if 0:17:08.000 --> 0:17:10.320 you agree with me. I don't have a vote, but 0:17:10.359 --> 0:17:12.880 if I did, it'd be Caleb Williams from USC. Obviously 0:17:13.040 --> 0:17:16.159 you're a Heisman winner, you have a vote. What do 0:17:16.160 --> 0:17:19.080 you think? Yeah, I'll tell you this, Dave. I don't 0:17:19.160 --> 0:17:24.000 vote until after the championship games because I know, like 0:17:24.080 --> 0:17:26.760 with the committee, the playoff committee, sometimes they don't weigh 0:17:26.800 --> 0:17:30.600 the championship games as much. But going into Championship weekend, 0:17:30.680 --> 0:17:35.439 it's between Caleb Williams and Max Dugan. That's it. Unless 0:17:35.440 --> 0:17:38.320 Blake Korn runs for four hundred yards and if he's 0:17:38.359 --> 0:17:42.200 gonna play, you know, with Michigan, it's between those two guys. 0:17:42.200 --> 0:17:44.919 And you have the story of Caleb Williams, which I 0:17:45.000 --> 0:17:48.359 absolutely love and my main man, Rehees Davis kind of 0:17:48.600 --> 0:17:50.520 he got on me a little bit earlier in the 0:17:50.640 --> 0:17:53.400 in the in the off season because I was saying, USC, man, 0:17:53.400 --> 0:17:55.840 they're going to coasketball playoff and He's like, nah, I'll 0:17:55.840 --> 0:17:58.119 pump the brakes on USC. They're not gonna do it. 0:17:58.359 --> 0:18:00.439 And look at what these transfers did. I mean, they 0:18:00.440 --> 0:18:03.359 had like thirty seven thirty eight transfers come in there, 0:18:03.760 --> 0:18:07.280 and Caleb Williams was able to steer the ship. And 0:18:07.480 --> 0:18:09.480 late in the year you started to see him make 0:18:09.520 --> 0:18:12.679 those Caleb william plays that we got so accustomed to 0:18:12.680 --> 0:18:16.040 see in last year at Oklahoma. So for him, if 0:18:16.080 --> 0:18:19.479 they win, I think he wins the Heisman he and 0:18:19.600 --> 0:18:21.800 for them to win, he has to play well. The 0:18:21.840 --> 0:18:23.480 only guy that could kind of knock him off would 0:18:23.480 --> 0:18:25.359 be Duggan, and Duggan's gonna have to go out there 0:18:25.359 --> 0:18:27.960 and throw for three fifty, run for a hundred. I 0:18:28.000 --> 0:18:30.880 think everybody knows that at this point. But Caleb Williams 0:18:30.920 --> 0:18:33.760 he can write, you know, Heisman winner on his fingers 0:18:33.760 --> 0:18:36.520 if he wants to on his fingernails. You know, he 0:18:36.560 --> 0:18:38.760 paints his figuernails every game with some stuff on there. 0:18:39.520 --> 0:18:41.399 He's got the he doesn't have a lock on it, 0:18:41.680 --> 0:18:45.440 but it's ninety five percent it's gonna be him winning 0:18:45.440 --> 0:18:48.280 the Heisman. It's amazing too to think about. You know, 0:18:48.440 --> 0:18:51.439 this time last year, he was a relatively new starter 0:18:51.520 --> 0:18:55.800 at Oklahoma, came in against Texas, lights it up after 0:18:55.880 --> 0:19:00.119 Spencer Rattler gets benched. Follows Lincoln Riley to USC, I 0:19:00.200 --> 0:19:02.080 wish with you. I picked you know, I work with 0:19:02.119 --> 0:19:05.040 Dushtavorchek and Tom Luganville's our field analysts. I was the 0:19:05.160 --> 0:19:06.879 only one of the three to pick that seat to 0:19:06.920 --> 0:19:09.240 go to the college football playoffs. So there's a big 0:19:09.240 --> 0:19:11.240 part of me that's rooting for the Trojans to sweek 0:19:11.240 --> 0:19:15.840 against Utah, No doubt not. People don't like some coaches 0:19:15.880 --> 0:19:18.000 are gonna hate that though, you know that, Dave just 0:19:18.160 --> 0:19:22.359 talking to coaches throughout the college football season. Some have 0:19:22.440 --> 0:19:26.040 bought into the transfer portals, some haven't. What Lincoln Riley 0:19:26.080 --> 0:19:28.080 has done at USC, even if they don't make the 0:19:28.080 --> 0:19:31.320 playoff is going to be transformational for all of college 0:19:31.320 --> 0:19:34.400 football because now you know, if you get the right 0:19:34.400 --> 0:19:37.680 guy at head coach and quarterback, you can bring in 0:19:37.960 --> 0:19:41.040 a whole bunch of mercenaries and get them to play 0:19:41.080 --> 0:19:43.600 well together. And I mean, what are they? I think 0:19:43.600 --> 0:19:48.040 are they ten and one right now? That's impressive because 0:19:48.080 --> 0:19:50.560 everything about college football has been build the culture, Build 0:19:50.560 --> 0:19:53.199 the culture, build the culture. Well, now it seems like 0:19:53.320 --> 0:19:56.040 the culture can be built quickly as long as you 0:19:56.080 --> 0:19:58.879 have the right guy at quarterback, and USC definitely has that. 0:20:00.200 --> 0:20:02.560 Robert at the time that you went to the playoffs 0:20:02.560 --> 0:20:05.520 with Washington in your first year and set the world 0:20:05.520 --> 0:20:08.720 on fire in the NFL, Matt Ryan had made the 0:20:08.720 --> 0:20:11.200