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Speaker 1: Welcome to NFL Daily, where we'd also boo if we

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Speaker 1: paid money to go to a preseason game in the

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Speaker 1: rain and they took out Drake May after one series,

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Speaker 1: give me a break. I'm Greg Rosenthal and I'm beyond

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Speaker 1: lucky today. To be joined later in the show by

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Speaker 1: Ali Connelly, a talented writer.

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Speaker 2: About football podcaster.

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Speaker 1: From over in the UK, who's going to talk to

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Speaker 1: me about what if Kirk Cousins really isn't the guy

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Speaker 1: we think he is, especially this season with the Falcons

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Speaker 1: little thought experiment.

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Speaker 2: But that's going to come up after the break.

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Speaker 1: To start the show, going to go over news really

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Speaker 1: quickly in the two preseason games that we had on

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Speaker 1: Thursday night. And before I do that, I just want

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Speaker 1: to ask our producer here, Eric Roberts, how annoyed he

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Speaker 1: a Thursday night in the preseason while he's got his baby,

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Speaker 1: Austin James making his NFL Daily debut. If you check

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Speaker 1: us out on YouTube, you can see this beautiful boy

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Speaker 1: and they set a hair just like his dad.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, dude, nice hair.

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Speaker 3: Maybe he'll get the mustache s geene, but yes, spit

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Speaker 3: bubbles and all right now, not it at all. I'm

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Speaker 3: A little bit of football too on the TV for him.

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Speaker 3: No Bills games yet for him, so he hasn't got

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Speaker 3: the misery. But watching a lot of Dodgers games with me,

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Speaker 3: and yeah, maybe he'll be a little podcaster who knows.

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Speaker 1: There is beautiful and yeah, that is something beautiful about it.

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Speaker 1: It's not like we're in the studio, but we are

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Speaker 1: putting you back to work. And you can hand him

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Speaker 1: But it is cool. These preseason nights, we're gonna try

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Speaker 1: to take you, especially on the Thursday nights and get

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Speaker 1: you covered with all the games. So yeah, I'm making Austin,

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Speaker 1: James and Eric do a little overtime. So why do

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Speaker 1: we why do we not waste any more time? We'll

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Speaker 1: get to the news, Eric showing versatility, hitting the buttons

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Speaker 1: it with us and on the lapp let's go back

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Speaker 1: to Brandon Ayuk. I can't believe this thing hasn't happened

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Speaker 1: yet it's still hanging out there days now after a

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Speaker 1: report in Pittsburgh that the deal was happening from a

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Speaker 1: radio station there, And I did want to just update

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Speaker 1: you on what Kyle Shanahan said on a KNBR radio

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Speaker 1: appearance on Thursday night.

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Speaker 2: Very interesting.

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Speaker 1: He said, quote, if it doesn't work out, and he's

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Speaker 1: talking about getting that you signed in San Francisco, you

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Speaker 1: always try as hard as you can to get fair value,

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Speaker 1: whether it's fair value for the future, fair value for now.

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Speaker 1: You're always hoping for both. Ba's got to agree on

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Speaker 1: that too. We're looking at every possibility, so this thing

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Speaker 1: is getting held up. There was a report from Diana

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Speaker 1: seems like pretty obvious, which is like the forty nine

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Speaker 1: have any receivers to send back. And Shanahan also said, quote,

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Speaker 1: anytime there takes three things, it's not easy. And again

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Speaker 1: they're looking at every possibility, and that when it's all

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Speaker 2: So I just think this is happening.

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Speaker 1: The head coach would not be on the radio talking

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Speaker 1: about how tricky it is to complete a trade like that.

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Speaker 1: They're talking about this guy as if he's not there,

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Speaker 1: and it does make you wonder whether they're trying to

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Speaker 1: get a third team involved or whether there's ever a

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Speaker 1: world where they're just trying to run out the clock

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Speaker 1: here and get Brandon Ayuk back on the team, because

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Speaker 1: to me, that's what makes the most sense. But hearing

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Speaker 1: he's already gone, talking about how tough it is to

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Speaker 1: to go somewhere. I don't think Ceedee Lamb is going

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Speaker 1: sound for me. Jerry Jones. This comes after he was

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Speaker 2: This coming from KDFW Fox for such of urgency as

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Speaker 3: I don't want to say it, but I'm just saying.

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Speaker 4: I don't know, I don't have a sense of urgency

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Speaker 1: Why why is everyone laughing? Like you're at the board

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Speaker 1: meeting and your boss, who's not funny at all, just

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Speaker 2: That it just was.

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Speaker 1: An odd comment that he doesn't have any urgency. I

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Speaker 1: more that they don't feel like they're losing that much

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Speaker 2: That I get.

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Speaker 1: But Dak Prescott took the podium just a little bit

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Speaker 1: after that and he said, you know, I know y'all

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Speaker 1: So just a strange moment, strange times with the Cowboys,

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Speaker 1: like why are you setting this message out? Ceedee Lamb

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Speaker 1: deep into it. Michael Parsons could also use a new

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Speaker 1: is LOL and your owner. On the Thursday evening, a

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Speaker 1: hit the preseason games and again get to that Kirk

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Speaker 1: the season. Also out for the season Drake Jackson, who

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Speaker 1: And I bring that up because it's just a reminder

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Speaker 1: They were hoping to get some jews from Drake Jackson

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Speaker 1: It's Leonard Floyd and Yatara Grossmatos as his other edge guys.

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Speaker 1: Malik Collins is a starting defensive tackle on this team.

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Speaker 1: It's just not the talent up front that they had

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Speaker 1: I'm really testing you here, Eric, because earlier in the day,

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Speaker 1: Jameis Winston said something that only Jameis Winston would say.

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Speaker 5: I think that's one of the things that a lot

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Speaker 5: see practice, you can nicknack this that Paddy wag gildog

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Speaker 5: a bone. Deshaun Watson is gonna turn it on. He

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Speaker 5: always gonna find a way to shine when the lights

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Speaker 5: come on. Man, I just ran, Can I leave off that?

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Speaker 5: But I know definitely gonna het.

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Speaker 2: You can tell that man is a preacher. He truly

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Speaker 2: is he. I love that man. What a what an

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Speaker 1: But you know what, maybe the perfect backup quarterback for

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Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson because he has been Deshaun Watson's biggest supporter

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Speaker 1: and rhymer uh this preseason. All right, finally, let's hit

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Speaker 1: the two games. I would have gone with the games first.

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Speaker 2: I was excited.

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Speaker 1: It was Drinke May's debut, but as I mentioned in

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Speaker 1: that had an impact on how Drod Mayo decided to

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Speaker 1: give May snaps on Thursday night, Jacoby Brissett only had

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Speaker 2: May through three passes.

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Speaker 1: Two of them were screen passes, one was was a

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Speaker 1: heater that was a little high for Jalen Rager that

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Speaker 1: been doing in all of camp. Hasn't really been a

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Speaker 1: to really use him tonight. So yeah, that Patriots defense

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Speaker 1: keep in mind. Jalen Polk with the second team, Javon

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Speaker 1: Joe Milton, their fourth Stringer got a huge ovation when he.

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Speaker 1: The poor Patriots fans were booing Bailey Zappi when he

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Speaker 1: They were restless for Joe Milton to come into the game,

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Speaker 1: Joe Milton. I do not think Bailey Zappy is gonna

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Speaker 1: make the team even less. The takeaway from the Panthers,

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Speaker 1: named Jack Plumber at quarterback. Jonathan Mingo was out there,

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Speaker 1: The Giants also played and the Giants got a w

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Speaker 1: Malik Neighbors actually played three drives in this game but

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Speaker 1: did not get a target, which was too bad. Wanted

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Speaker 1: to see him do a little bit something. Tyrone Tracy

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Speaker 2: They'll both have a role.

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Speaker 1: And then I think we hit peak preseason late Thursday

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Speaker 1: when it was Joe Milton and Hendon Hooker out there,

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Speaker 1: If you forget Hendon Hooker was an intriguing quarterback prospect,

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Speaker 1: of torn acl Some people thought he might challenge Jared

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Speaker 1: just trying to fight for a backup job behind Goff,

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Speaker 1: of course, and Nate Sudfeld is the backup right now.

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Speaker 1: And Hooker showed some moves and looked okay in a

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Speaker 1: it for my preseason takeaways. We'll hit more on your

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Speaker 1: Monday morning show with Nick Chuck all the rest of

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Speaker 1: the game's all fourteen games. But before I go, I

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's what stands out to me. I just have

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Speaker 4: I get this three times a week. When the Netflix

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Speaker 2: I didn't know.

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Speaker 1: I got to admit Ali, I mean i've seen you.

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Speaker 1: feel thing, maybe it's a confidence thing. I don't know

437
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Speaker 1: what it is, but if you go and look throughout

438
00:20:29,040 --> 00:20:34,159
Speaker 1: his career, he has some really incredible streaks positively, some

439
00:20:34,320 --> 00:20:38,880
Speaker 1: incredible streaks negatively, and sometimes it's within games, sometimes it's

440
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Speaker 1: within seasons.

441
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Speaker 2: It depends.

442
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Speaker 1: And we happened to end last season on the best

443
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Speaker 1: he's ever played, I would say, or certainly up there

444
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Speaker 1: as the best.

445
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Speaker 2: So that's the last thing that.

446
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Speaker 1: We remember and you think, Okay, well, maybe he's just

447
00:20:53,840 --> 00:20:55,960
Speaker 1: turned a corner and he's a different Kirk now, And

448
00:20:56,000 --> 00:20:59,120
Speaker 1: I think, like, well, when was the last bad streak?

449
00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:02,440
Speaker 1: And I think, oh, most of the season before, Like you,

450
00:21:02,880 --> 00:21:04,800
Speaker 1: if you look at weeks two through seventeen, I know

451
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Speaker 1: I'm cherry picking here, but pff, like most of that

452
00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:09,920
Speaker 1: season he was twenty aeth out of thirty nine and

453
00:21:09,960 --> 00:21:12,520
Speaker 1: PFF grades. I know they aren't perfect, but had a

454
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Speaker 1: lot of late comebacks. Wasn't really playing that well this year.

455
00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:18,040
Speaker 1: I remember in the twenty twenty season, like a disastrous

456
00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:20,040
Speaker 1: start to that season where people just thought he was

457
00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:23,920
Speaker 1: done and then he ends up finishing the season really strong,

458
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Speaker 1: And it just got me thinking about like that, Kirk Cousins,

459
00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:30,600
Speaker 1: it's a little different than how people think about him now.

460
00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:33,280
Speaker 1: And if they happen to start the season with bad

461
00:21:33,359 --> 00:21:35,440
Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins and he's coming off inn Achilles and he's

462
00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:36,560
Speaker 1: in a new system.

463
00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:38,199
Speaker 2: What does that look like?

464
00:21:38,280 --> 00:21:41,000
Speaker 1: Does panics set in with Michael Pennix there and everything

465
00:21:41,040 --> 00:21:42,000
Speaker 1: around him in Atlanta?

466
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Speaker 4: Yeah, And I think it's strange with him because I

467
00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:47,320
Speaker 4: think kind of what the general possession be is at

468
00:21:47,359 --> 00:21:49,639
Speaker 4: his best right, triggering off on play action, turning them

469
00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:52,159
Speaker 4: out play action. That's what people think of as Kirk Cousins.

470
00:21:52,359 --> 00:21:54,119
Speaker 4: I personally think he's at his mess when he's got

471
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Speaker 4: the whole field in front of him. We get into him,

472
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Speaker 4: do we get guys out and he can just dice

473
00:21:57,480 --> 00:21:59,800
Speaker 4: people and play matchable. He just picks it and goes

474
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Speaker 4: with it. And when you dig into the numbers, he

475
00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:03,960
Speaker 4: is one of the best empty quarterbacks the league is

476
00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:05,760
Speaker 4: see in the past five six years. He just crushes

477
00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:08,240
Speaker 4: people out of empty, and yet no one ever gives

478
00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:10,680
Speaker 4: him a decent dose of empty. Now they see him

479
00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:12,680
Speaker 4: a ton, they watch all the film with him there

480
00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:15,760
Speaker 4: around him more, they see all the flaws of the roster.

481
00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:17,760
Speaker 4: Maybe can limit how much you would want to run

482
00:22:17,800 --> 00:22:19,960
Speaker 4: of that stuff, But he's always been able to average

483
00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:23,040
Speaker 4: against the blitz. When you run empty, it limits what

484
00:22:23,080 --> 00:22:24,639
Speaker 4: you can do blitz wise. It limits what you can

485
00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:26,720
Speaker 4: do coverage wise. It's why you know, people get upset

486
00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:29,320
Speaker 4: when they see rookies in empty and why they're not

487
00:22:29,359 --> 00:22:30,959
Speaker 4: giving them protection. Well, it makes the game a lot

488
00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:32,760
Speaker 4: easier for him. You can just pick and go. It

489
00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:34,920
Speaker 4: limits the defensive shell, It limits what they can run

490
00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:36,720
Speaker 4: in terms of blitz pads. It makes the game a

491
00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:40,160
Speaker 4: lot simpler for the quarterback. I look at that Falcons

492
00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:42,520
Speaker 4: roster and I think, would they not just be best

493
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Speaker 4: saying we are kind of a tempoee from the gun.

494
00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:48,600
Speaker 4: You know, if you're a turn the back play action team,

495
00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:51,280
Speaker 4: that is a lot more talk on moving and rolling

496
00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:54,520
Speaker 4: and all those kinds of things. With the injury, but

497
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Speaker 4: just no one's ever had enough faith in him to

498
00:22:56,880 --> 00:22:59,960
Speaker 4: say we play five out consistently and you just pick

499
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Speaker 4: can go. And it would be a funny thing to

500
00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:04,600
Speaker 4: say to a franchise and a fan base, like, hey,

501
00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:07,600
Speaker 4: all season rests on way putting Kirk in the gun

502
00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:11,080
Speaker 4: thirty five times twenty and empty. I'm going to try

503
00:23:11,119 --> 00:23:12,960
Speaker 4: and pick people up out the Super Bowl. That's stuff

504
00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:15,160
Speaker 4: the Peyton Mounting does. That's suff the Matthew Stafford does.

505
00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:17,919
Speaker 4: That's not really what we think of as Kirk Cousins.

506
00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:20,360
Speaker 4: But that's when I dig through his game, that's where

507
00:23:20,359 --> 00:23:21,320
Speaker 4: I like him the most.

508
00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:23,320
Speaker 1: This is why I wanted you on because that is

509
00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:26,040
Speaker 1: a really fascinating way to think about it. And that's

510
00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:29,040
Speaker 1: part of you know, if I'm building this case against Kirk,

511
00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:31,359
Speaker 1: and I again, I have nothing personal against Kirk. I

512
00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:34,240
Speaker 1: think he'll be a better than average starter, but I

513
00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:37,320
Speaker 1: think they're needing him to potentially be more than that.

514
00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:39,679
Speaker 1: And yeah, I even went back and looked. Actually, you know,

515
00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:42,080
Speaker 1: we do the QB Index on NFL dot Com. I

516
00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:44,520
Speaker 1: did it most years, and Chris did it, and Mark

517
00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:46,680
Speaker 1: did it one year two and I went and looked,

518
00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:48,800
Speaker 1: and I know we're not perfect, but he only finished

519
00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:50,560
Speaker 1: one year in the top ten. So it's like, you know,

520
00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:52,840
Speaker 1: it was always like twelve thirteen. He hit one year

521
00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:54,880
Speaker 1: where he was eighth. Last year he was certainly on

522
00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:57,560
Speaker 1: his way. What you say is fascinating because Zach Robinson

523
00:23:57,640 --> 00:23:59,880
Speaker 1: was part of I guess if you're making a case

524
00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:05,080
Speaker 1: some question marks for him. I looked back at some

525
00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:06,960
Speaker 1: games where he did struggle because I just wanted to

526
00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:09,640
Speaker 1: remember sort of what went wrong when he did struggle.

527
00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:12,440
Speaker 1: And I think he's a quarterback that relies a lot

528
00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:15,119
Speaker 1: on timing, a lot on anticipation, that really counts on

529
00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:18,639
Speaker 1: his receivers to be on his same page, and a

530
00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:20,680
Speaker 1: lot of times when things go wrong, it's because he

531
00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:23,080
Speaker 1: trusted them almost too much, and he was working with

532
00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:26,040
Speaker 1: young receivers which were pushed off their spot or they

533
00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:27,879
Speaker 1: weren't in the right spot, and he just is throwing

534
00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:31,280
Speaker 1: to an area. And I think about Zach Robinson and

535
00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:33,400
Speaker 1: everyone says, Okay, this is going to be great because

536
00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:35,160
Speaker 1: he was in this Kevin O'Connell offense.

537
00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:35,800
Speaker 2: It's similar.

538
00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:39,399
Speaker 1: Zach Robinson is coming from Los Angeles, he's really been

539
00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:42,080
Speaker 1: in this offense his whole career. Kyle Shanahan, Jay Gruden,

540
00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:45,520
Speaker 1: it's all similar. But I do think it's a first

541
00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:48,520
Speaker 1: time coordinator, a first you know, joining two new teams,

542
00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:50,320
Speaker 1: and I think Kirk is at his best and maybe

543
00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:53,080
Speaker 1: you saw this. This is year what three with O'Connor,

544
00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:58,720
Speaker 1: last year year two rather right, and he was getting

545
00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:01,880
Speaker 1: comfortable in that offense. Is some concern first time coordinator,

546
00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:04,639
Speaker 1: brand new playmakers, a lot of young guys and a

547
00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:07,560
Speaker 1: new coordinator, and I don't think Zach Robinson is going

548
00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:10,200
Speaker 1: to have the confidence to do it as old boss

549
00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:13,399
Speaker 1: Sean McVay did with with Matthew Stafford, and yeah, go

550
00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:15,200
Speaker 1: out of shotgun and just start and letting him cook.

551
00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:16,000
Speaker 2: Although that would be fun.

552
00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:18,760
Speaker 1: Now if that happens week one, I will remember this conversation.

553
00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:21,600
Speaker 4: I think, you know, it's funny people are excited about

554
00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:24,720
Speaker 4: Zach Robinson. The reality is because Zach Robinson, for his

555
00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:26,960
Speaker 4: friends of all the SMALLTI football writing notes from his

556
00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:29,679
Speaker 4: days back at PFF. So everyone knows in text, everyone's

557
00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:31,280
Speaker 4: in the text chain. It's like, oh, this is exciting.

558
00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:32,440
Speaker 4: One of us made it true.

559
00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:33,560
Speaker 2: This is my corner.

560
00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:36,240
Speaker 1: Get on the coaches who kiss up to the writers too.

561
00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:38,119
Speaker 1: So in this case, I don't think it was intentional.

562
00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:41,240
Speaker 1: He just literally worked at PFF, so everyone loves him

563
00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:43,320
Speaker 1: for it. Yeah, and he got there really quick.

564
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Speaker 4: And it's you know, I think people are just saying ultimatic, Well,

565
00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:48,080
Speaker 4: he's going to bring the show. McVay offfense. We have

566
00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:50,640
Speaker 4: no idea. He has no track record outside of writing

567
00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:53,359
Speaker 4: about football and then working with one of the smartest

568
00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:56,000
Speaker 4: people in the game to know what is his own

569
00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:58,040
Speaker 4: idea of football and is the guy who comes in

570
00:25:58,080 --> 00:25:59,959
Speaker 4: with a philosophy. He's going to implant it no mind.

571
00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:02,399
Speaker 4: What is he a guy who will adjust to the

572
00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:04,520
Speaker 4: quarterback or just to the rest of the roster. Will

573
00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:06,480
Speaker 4: he find that through the season? Is a guy who

574
00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:09,200
Speaker 4: you know, offensive coaches are all different. Some of them

575
00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:11,320
Speaker 4: have a huge playbook and trim down. Some of them

576
00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:13,159
Speaker 4: start with very little and build up. We have no

577
00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:16,000
Speaker 4: idea with him which way he is. So that's going

578
00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:17,760
Speaker 4: to be fascinating to see. And they just have so

579
00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:21,080
Speaker 4: many question marks on how these pieces actually fit together.

580
00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:23,280
Speaker 4: And going back to the LA days, the thing with

581
00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:26,920
Speaker 4: O'Connell that was really interesting to that empty point. They

582
00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:29,679
Speaker 4: completely remade how they ran empty. It was different than

583
00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:31,360
Speaker 4: anyone else in the league when he was in LA

584
00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:34,800
Speaker 4: and he was responsible for that under Shaw McVeigh. I

585
00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:36,960
Speaker 4: don't want to bore people too much of the granular details,

586
00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:39,960
Speaker 4: but they ran it differently to everyone else. Zach Robinson

587
00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:42,320
Speaker 4: continued that, and his main thing was redoing the wrong game.

588
00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:44,360
Speaker 4: They kind of spent two seasons doing two different things.

589
00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:46,480
Speaker 4: We want to remake the passing game. They built this

590
00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:49,480
Speaker 4: different empty system, then we'll remake the wrong game. It's

591
00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:52,040
Speaker 4: all from eleven. It's all different stuff with receivers than

592
00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:54,760
Speaker 4: we've done before. So is he bringing that whole thing

593
00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:58,399
Speaker 4: in one with him with Kirk to Atlanta? And you've

594
00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:00,400
Speaker 4: got to imagine they spoke about it before and right,

595
00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:03,439
Speaker 4: is he bringing Kevin's playbook from the year before or

596
00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:06,119
Speaker 4: is he bringing the updated one from last season that

597
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:10,159
Speaker 4: has both of them fused together. It's to me the

598
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:12,960
Speaker 4: most interesting kind of like big picture offensive thing the

599
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:15,480
Speaker 4: league is what exactly does Zach Brombinson think is the

600
00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:18,840
Speaker 4: right idea for football? Because he's had two of the

601
00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:21,959
Speaker 4: best playbooks, I would say, of the past two seasons,

602
00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:25,359
Speaker 4: and now he's got all these different players who again

603
00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:27,119
Speaker 4: the kind of like right to nerds like me get

604
00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:29,880
Speaker 4: excited it's positionless football, and then when you boil it down,

605
00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:31,480
Speaker 4: it's like I would like to have three good players

606
00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:33,480
Speaker 4: who line up in three spots and play really well.

607
00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:35,160
Speaker 4: I don't really need them to move around a lot.

608
00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:38,120
Speaker 4: What you end up with is Bijon is your primitive receiver,

609
00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:40,760
Speaker 4: London in the slow where we putting pits and it

610
00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:42,840
Speaker 4: all falls down because it's just nice sometimes to have

611
00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:45,280
Speaker 4: a true above average X receiver.

612
00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:48,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, and look I think they do with Drake London.

613
00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:51,040
Speaker 1: I think he's going to have a great season. I

614
00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:53,320
Speaker 1: don't see why he would in Pitts just has to

615
00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:55,119
Speaker 1: be healthy and at least I think he can be

616
00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:58,000
Speaker 1: a positive contributor. What the ceiling is there, I think

617
00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:01,280
Speaker 1: that's a question. Now Bajan is there. That's like they

618
00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:06,800
Speaker 1: do have weapons. I'm curious how you think this personnel group.

619
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Speaker 1: And one thing I always keep an eye on is

620
00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:12,639
Speaker 1: offensive lines that had been playing well. I tend to

621
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:15,880
Speaker 1: just not assume anything when a new staff comes in

622
00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:20,120
Speaker 1: because it's just the position group to me that depends

623
00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:24,119
Speaker 1: the most on coaching and scheme and v Robinson you

624
00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:25,760
Speaker 1: mentioned it is coming from a great scheme and that's

625
00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:28,359
Speaker 1: that's a point in his favor that Raheem Morris chose

626
00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:31,520
Speaker 1: this guy. And Raheem Morris has been around and that

627
00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:34,040
Speaker 1: was his choice and I give him. I give Raheem

628
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:37,000
Speaker 1: Morris benefit of the doubt hera that he's choosing a

629
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:40,320
Speaker 1: good guy. But how do you think this Atlanta group

630
00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:43,000
Speaker 1: that they have there, you know, under Arthur Smith doing

631
00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:45,000
Speaker 1: all that crazy run blocking that they were doing, how

632
00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:47,400
Speaker 1: do you think it fits with with this scheme?

633
00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:49,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, and it's well they brought a bunch of that

634
00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:53,520
Speaker 4: friends too, like if you go through the Falcons offensive staff,

635
00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:55,680
Speaker 4: there's like just like four advises hanging around to it

636
00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:57,520
Speaker 4: with the rohms lush year. This is random guys, so

637
00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:00,080
Speaker 4: I do ask game specialist stuff. And it was with

638
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:01,760
Speaker 4: the Rams for three years, so they brought a bunch

639
00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:04,120
Speaker 4: of people with them too. It's not just Zach Robinson

640
00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:08,120
Speaker 4: coming with Rahiem. I think what they ran last year.

641
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:10,160
Speaker 4: Arthur Smith, I've said this many times. I think he's

642
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:13,280
Speaker 4: one of the great RUNG game design frauds of our era.

643
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:17,240
Speaker 4: I think he runs two cool things. There's like a

644
00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:19,800
Speaker 4: weird wind back block that goes viral and people get

645
00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:21,880
Speaker 4: all excited and say, Wow, this guy really schemes up

646
00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:23,920
Speaker 4: cool stuff. I think when you dig through it, most

647
00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:27,240
Speaker 4: of it's nonsense. Forty percent of that offense last year

648
00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:31,080
Speaker 4: was midzone forty percent. That's just like as poorly constructed

649
00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:33,720
Speaker 4: a RUNG game in twenty twenty three as you could

650
00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:36,920
Speaker 4: even imagine. And that stuff works when you have Derreck

651
00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:39,440
Speaker 4: Henry running over everyone and people say, this guy really

652
00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:41,640
Speaker 4: knows how to scheme up a run game. Running four

653
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Speaker 4: percent mid zone with a running back like Jon Robinson

654
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Speaker 4: is just incorrect. Let's say not good coaching. So they've

655
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Speaker 4: got a lot of work to do in the rung game,

656
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Speaker 4: and I've got no idea exactly how they're going to

657
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Speaker 4: draw that up. You know what they do with the

658
00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:58,000
Speaker 4: rams so well is they run out of ten, they

659
00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:00,320
Speaker 4: run out of eleven. They're able to cheat to way,

660
00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:02,680
Speaker 4: which is the kind of meta trend in all of football.

661
00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:05,040
Speaker 4: How can I run two back football without putting two

662
00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:07,840
Speaker 4: backs on the field and how close can I get?

663
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Speaker 4: What is the trade off of the best possible receiving option.

664
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Speaker 4: Who's a good enough blocker? Is that a tight second

665
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Speaker 4: tight end? Or do I have Cooper Cup? And if

666
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Speaker 4: I have Cooper Cup bought a cheeko if we win

667
00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:19,640
Speaker 4: a bunch of games like that's what everyone's looking for.

668
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Speaker 4: And when you run through the falcons, I think that

669
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Speaker 4: line is a really really solid interior double in climb,

670
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Speaker 4: but a dent in the front and let someone go

671
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Speaker 4: to work. And so that makes sense to me with

672
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Speaker 4: what the Rams did. But where it falls down slightly

673
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Speaker 4: is so we have pits and he's in line, not

674
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Speaker 4: going to happen. Drake London I think works best as

675
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Speaker 4: a power slot personally. Does he want to dig someone

676
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Speaker 4: out inside. Is Ray McLeod going to go in and

677
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Speaker 4: dig someone out inside? So they find themselves in this

678
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Speaker 4: situation where if you're not going to have those guys

679
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Speaker 4: play inside and we're running the ball from a smaller

680
00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:55,920
Speaker 4: personnel grouping, now you have to try and find a

681
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Speaker 4: way to move people and that does not over the

682
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Speaker 4: athletic line. They are a forward facing line. They double

683
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Speaker 4: and they go. I think Bergeron has a chance, but

684
00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:06,760
Speaker 4: he moved inside last year, struggled a little bit. He's

685
00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:11,080
Speaker 4: rarely springy, but he's not a huge flyer. So again

686
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Speaker 4: they come down to what is our philosophy versus what

687
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Speaker 4: can I actually do with the personnel we have. I

688
00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:17,640
Speaker 4: think there's a world where you can make it fit.

689
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Speaker 4: But I think it's telling they brought in the Titans

690
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Speaker 4: from San Francisco. They're like, we need more beef.

691
00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:23,920
Speaker 2: Charlie Guy, Charlie Werner.

692
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Speaker 1: It's Ross Dwelly because yeah, you look at the receivers

693
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Speaker 1: and I don't know if you want if Drake London

694
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Speaker 1: can do some of the Cooper Cup type stuff. I

695
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:34,160
Speaker 1: mean he's at least a bigger frame, certainly, But they

696
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:37,400
Speaker 1: lose Rondell Moore to what sounded like a serious injury.

697
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:39,280
Speaker 1: He was going to be part of the offense. Darnell Mooney,

698
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:43,080
Speaker 1: you know, I like too laningrad like myself, but not

699
00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:45,280
Speaker 1: a guy you would want out blocking on the edge

700
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Speaker 1: by any means. And yeah, there's gonna be an adjustment.

701
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Speaker 1: And that kind of gets to, you know, the next

702
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Speaker 1: part of my case here, which is more than just

703
00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:57,520
Speaker 1: x as and o's and it's something Kirk Cousins has

704
00:31:57,520 --> 00:32:01,640
Speaker 1: talked about and maybe he has overcome what he thought

705
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:04,520
Speaker 1: was his biggest issue as a pro, which you could

706
00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:06,880
Speaker 1: sometimes see on the field that he thought he was

707
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:12,240
Speaker 1: almost so critical of himself, always seeking perfection so much

708
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Speaker 1: as as a quarterback. And again my friend Wes wrote

709
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:20,160
Speaker 1: about this too, that sometimes he kind of fritz out,

710
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Speaker 1: and people remember him lining up behind the guards in

711
00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:27,000
Speaker 1: big moments, but the whole Kirk can't play that well

712
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:30,080
Speaker 1: and the clutch thing or primetime was like a little overstated,

713
00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:33,400
Speaker 1: but there were moments where he absolutely fritzed out in

714
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:37,719
Speaker 1: a way that top level quarterbacks don't. And I'm just thinking,

715
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Speaker 1: and maybe this is going too far psychologically and just

716
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Speaker 1: the situation that they're in, the Expectations are very high.

717
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Speaker 1: They drafted Michael Pennock's number eight overall, he was not

718
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Speaker 1: expecting that. He's made it clear he's not a fan

719
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Speaker 1: of that. Who would be a fan of that. If

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Speaker 1: you're Kirk Cousins and their defense, we don't need to

721
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Speaker 1: spend time on their defense. But I just think it's

722
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Speaker 1: safe to say a talent wise, it's a bottom five unit.

723
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Speaker 2: They could be trailing in a lot of game.

724
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Speaker 1: The schedule is pretty difficult early defense of the defenses

725
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Speaker 1: they face Pittsburgh, Philadelphia, Kansas City, Saints, Bucks. You know

726
00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:16,600
Speaker 1: those are tough defenses early. To me, just add all

727
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Speaker 1: that stuff up together and a guy who wants to

728
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Speaker 1: be comfortable and it's a lot of new things, and

729
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Speaker 1: I think, is there a chance here where it just

730
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Speaker 1: becomes very difficult on Kirk Cousins, the human on top

731
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Speaker 1: of just Kirk Cousins that the football player.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think you mentioned it. With how his game goes.

733
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Speaker 4: When he gets baddie gets really grim, he has a

734
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Speaker 4: chance to create a you'll just have quotes's way, like

735
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Speaker 4: what just happened in the third quotes was he was

736
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Speaker 4: dealing people up. Its weird. So if that could sustain

737
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Speaker 4: over two to three weeks, that could be pretty ugly.

738
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Speaker 4: The only thing that I would say, I guess his

739
00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:53,120
Speaker 4: defense is he didn't choose this. He had every possibility

740
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:55,480
Speaker 4: just roll back to minnesot It's an easy keep it rolling.

741
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Speaker 4: I'm working with Justin Jefferson, I got Kevin O'Connell. No

742
00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:01,000
Speaker 4: one's going to criticize me whatever. He chose this in

743
00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:05,720
Speaker 4: partnership with this offensive coordinator, basically saying that these guys

744
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:07,600
Speaker 4: have better weapons. Overall, I think this gives me a

745
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:11,439
Speaker 4: better chance and I get all this money. It would

746
00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:13,160
Speaker 4: be peculiar. I think to go in there and then

747
00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:16,799
Speaker 4: kind of like receid back from the ownership of like

748
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:19,000
Speaker 4: this is what I wanted. It's like, well, this is

749
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Speaker 4: why he didn't walk in thinking this defense is good.

750
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Speaker 4: The fact they were able to cobbles mean to again

751
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:25,759
Speaker 4: last year was a mining miracle with the way they

752
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:28,040
Speaker 4: played to even try and run in again saying hey,

753
00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:30,359
Speaker 4: we're a man coverage team without a pass rush. Next season,

754
00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:32,399
Speaker 4: it's like you are going to get smoked all over

755
00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:35,640
Speaker 4: the place. They need to. I think pretty bad rookies

756
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:38,000
Speaker 4: to actually play well this season. This is not going

757
00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:40,799
Speaker 4: to happen. They didn't play well in college so yeah,

758
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:43,239
Speaker 4: he's going to be down in games he picked it for.

759
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:48,480
Speaker 4: I'm guessing personal relationships and the chance to play with

760
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Speaker 4: those receivers and probably a slightly better offensive line that

761
00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:54,960
Speaker 4: that's kind of touch and go, I'd say so, and

762
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:59,800
Speaker 4: the division so but to your point, yeah, when it

763
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Speaker 4: goes was bad with Kirk Cousins, it gets grim quick.

764
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Speaker 1: That's sort of where this all started for me, that

765
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:09,960
Speaker 1: there are just a lot of ingredients for a difficult

766
00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:12,000
Speaker 1: start or a difficult.

767
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Speaker 2: Season, and then you just think of it.

768
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Speaker 1: I think the pressure on him, not just just football wise,

769
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Speaker 1: that county on him to be as good as making

770
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:22,160
Speaker 1: this a Super Bowl contender.

771
00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:25,319
Speaker 4: And the problem he's got too, Greg is Penix is

772
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:27,520
Speaker 4: probably going to light it up in pre season. He

773
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:30,520
Speaker 4: is going to rip through trading camp. I refuse to

774
00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:32,480
Speaker 4: follow the way you have to do for work. All

775
00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:35,720
Speaker 4: the different reports, I guarantee without looking blind taste says

776
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:37,680
Speaker 4: that there is every report out there that, oh my god,

777
00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:39,560
Speaker 4: Penix looks so special. It's been a little quiet, I

778
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:40,320
Speaker 4: gotta say I have.

779
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:42,040
Speaker 1: It actually has been a little quiet, to the point

780
00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:43,680
Speaker 1: where I was like, is he struggling down there? I

781
00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:45,560
Speaker 1: need to talk to someone they also have a quiet

782
00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:48,800
Speaker 1: media contingent in general. But I have been looking in

783
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:50,600
Speaker 1: some of the numbers and stuff. It's been a lot

784
00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:52,960
Speaker 1: more positive on Kirk. So there's a point in favor.

785
00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:55,520
Speaker 4: For there we go, but he can spin it and

786
00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:58,640
Speaker 4: the flaws that I think grim Penix Penix's game who

787
00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:00,640
Speaker 4: I would never have taken the first round on let

788
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:02,560
Speaker 4: alone where they did it with the situation. They had

789
00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:05,800
Speaker 4: just a bizarre decision then and even worse in hindsight,

790
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:08,399
Speaker 4: I think. And if it torches the building to your point,

791
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:10,800
Speaker 4: because they knocked the confidence of a fragile guy before

792
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:13,319
Speaker 4: he even walked through the door, would be an all

793
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:15,200
Speaker 4: time bag fumble from a team who just gave him

794
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:20,480
Speaker 4: that much money. That could be one lingering thing. If

795
00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:23,080
Speaker 4: Pennix is just a great practice player because he's not

796
00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:24,680
Speaker 4: being touched and he can just rip it all over

797
00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:26,720
Speaker 4: the place, that could add to the burden.

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Speaker 2: I'm looking forward to it.

799
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Speaker 1: I just think this team is you said it in

800
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:34,560
Speaker 1: terms of the scheme, questions of how they're gonna run it,

801
00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:38,200
Speaker 1: I'm fascinated by. I'm not rooting against Kirk Cousins because

802
00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:41,040
Speaker 1: of this podcast. It's just one of those situations that

803
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:44,600
Speaker 1: I feel like has a lot of variability and people

804
00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:49,160
Speaker 1: are assuming too much of what's going on there and

805
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:52,239
Speaker 1: it could be a struggle and it could just be

806
00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:55,080
Speaker 1: one of these stories we're tracking. As much I loved

807
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:58,400
Speaker 1: having you on Olly Connolly, it's like come for the

808
00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:03,160
Speaker 1: Kirk Cutter his cousins analysis and you know, mild criticism

809
00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:07,040
Speaker 1: and stay for the total side swaye by Arthur Smith,

810
00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:11,680
Speaker 1: just killing my optimism about like, hey, maybe Justin Field's

811
00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:13,640
Speaker 1: running a bunch of read option stuff.

812
00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:16,440
Speaker 2: It's gonna be fun and in Pittsburgh. I love that

813
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:18,600
Speaker 2: you just killed it. You mince no words.

814
00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:21,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, I minced no woods around all the Smith Matt

815
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:22,960
Speaker 4: kind of did. The guys who I think are fraudulent

816
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:26,200
Speaker 4: people and somehow get huge media reputations for reasons that

817
00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:28,320
Speaker 4: remain unclear to me. Then I'm happy to be the

818
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:31,080
Speaker 4: guy who will stund up of the stunning in front

819
00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:32,520
Speaker 4: of the shopnel to take out all the Smith. I

820
00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:34,680
Speaker 4: think I've been proven right by by history on that one,

821
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:36,440
Speaker 4: and I will be this season.

822
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:39,400
Speaker 1: Like like I said, everyone should check out read Optional

823
00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:42,800
Speaker 1: and the podcast that he does with John and the writing,

824
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:48,640
Speaker 1: and honestly it's almost humiliating how well you do it

825
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:50,640
Speaker 1: and how much you know when it's your side gig

826
00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:53,600
Speaker 1: at this point, you're like, you're covering soccer as we

827
00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:54,640
Speaker 1: would call it at this point.

828
00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:56,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, but I always says people like when people are

829
00:37:56,880 --> 00:37:59,680
Speaker 4: watching Done to the Dragons, I am just cranking Coastal

830
00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:01,560
Speaker 4: Carol the film that is, like, I get a glass

831
00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:04,280
Speaker 4: of wine on on Sunday nine tonight, just watch Coast

832
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:07,239
Speaker 4: like Carolina. I'm I'm a side guy, Greg, but I'm

833
00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:09,359
Speaker 4: able to do podcasts and take you show to auth

834
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:09,680
Speaker 4: the Smith.

835
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Speaker 2: So that's that was great.

836
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Speaker 1: Having you, Ali, and I hope we can do it again.

837
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Speaker 1: That is it for this week's worth of NFL Daily.

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Speaker 1: Will we be back, first thing in your feed on

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Speaker 1: Monday morning with Nick Schuck breaking down all the winners,

840
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:28,800
Speaker 1: the losers, the notes from the rest of the weekend,

841
00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:33,439
Speaker 1: the first full preseason weekend. Yeah, enjoy, you're watching You're

842
00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:37,320
Speaker 1: watching Olympics athletics at the highest level.

843
00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:38,640
Speaker 2: You know.

844
00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:42,680
Speaker 1: I'm watching, you know, the Sean Clifford Michael Pratt battle

845
00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:44,080
Speaker 1: and getting super into it.

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Speaker 2: So enjoy.

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Speaker 1: I'll see you later, Ali, Thanks for having me, all right,

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Speaker 1: We'll see you next time.

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Speaker 2: On NFL Daily