1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:00,680 Speaker 1: Warning. 2 00:00:01,200 --> 00:00:05,280 Speaker 2: Today's episode cand it's spoilers for Stranger Things episodes one 3 00:00:05,320 --> 00:00:24,320 Speaker 2: and two of the final season season five. Hello, my 4 00:00:24,440 --> 00:00:27,560 Speaker 2: name is Jason gets Ups and I'm Rosey Knight and 5 00:00:27,680 --> 00:00:29,640 Speaker 2: welcome back to Xtra revision of the podcast where we 6 00:00:29,720 --> 00:00:32,199 Speaker 2: dive de be to your favorite shows, movies, comics, and 7 00:00:32,200 --> 00:00:35,080 Speaker 2: pop culture comedy Over my Heart podcast. We're bringing you 8 00:00:35,120 --> 00:00:37,040 Speaker 2: three episodes a week plus days outsider. 9 00:00:38,200 --> 00:00:40,440 Speaker 1: In today's episode, We're back, guys. 10 00:00:40,479 --> 00:00:45,000 Speaker 3: There's egoes, there's blowouts, there's big hair, there's fights, there's 11 00:00:45,040 --> 00:00:48,680 Speaker 3: demic organs, there's X Men references, it's Stranger Things. 12 00:00:48,720 --> 00:00:50,000 Speaker 1: There's back, and we're in. 13 00:00:50,040 --> 00:00:53,000 Speaker 3: There that's still in high school. And me and Jason 14 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:57,400 Speaker 3: are recapping episodes five oh one and five oh two 15 00:00:57,600 --> 00:00:58,640 Speaker 3: for you and guys. 16 00:00:58,720 --> 00:01:00,720 Speaker 1: Just remember production note. 17 00:01:00,760 --> 00:01:03,240 Speaker 3: This holiday season, we'll be sharing a couple of short 18 00:01:03,360 --> 00:01:08,720 Speaker 3: stocking stuff for episodes with you. With so many great shows, movies, comics, books, toys, 19 00:01:08,760 --> 00:01:11,200 Speaker 3: all kinds of fun things we want to explore, these 20 00:01:11,200 --> 00:01:14,120 Speaker 3: episodes will help us cover some extra content we wouldn't 21 00:01:14,160 --> 00:01:16,600 Speaker 3: usually be able to cover on our normal episodes. We 22 00:01:16,640 --> 00:01:18,760 Speaker 3: had our first few episodes last week, and keep an 23 00:01:18,760 --> 00:01:20,840 Speaker 3: eye out for more throughout December. 24 00:01:23,240 --> 00:01:28,400 Speaker 2: But first episode five oh one, the Crawl, we open 25 00:01:29,319 --> 00:01:33,080 Speaker 2: in the Upside Down Z's back in back in the 26 00:01:33,160 --> 00:01:37,840 Speaker 2: day nineteen eighty three when Will Byers was first trapped 27 00:01:37,920 --> 00:01:43,160 Speaker 2: down there and he's being hunted by the demogorgan and 28 00:01:43,480 --> 00:01:48,640 Speaker 2: who finds him but Veakna, And basically this reframes what 29 00:01:48,840 --> 00:01:54,720 Speaker 2: we knew about Will's disappearance into the Upside Down, that 30 00:01:54,840 --> 00:01:58,760 Speaker 2: it wasn't just like one of those early forays into 31 00:01:58,800 --> 00:02:01,840 Speaker 2: the battle between good and evil and Hawkins and Vecna. 32 00:02:02,280 --> 00:02:07,000 Speaker 2: It was actually some part of Vecna's long plan. Yes, 33 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:09,119 Speaker 2: whatever that plan is. 34 00:02:09,120 --> 00:02:11,120 Speaker 1: He definitely chose well. 35 00:02:11,240 --> 00:02:14,919 Speaker 3: And we get this really creepy moment, which is hilarious. 36 00:02:14,919 --> 00:02:16,680 Speaker 3: I was watching this with Nick, who has never seen 37 00:02:16,720 --> 00:02:17,600 Speaker 3: any strange thing. 38 00:02:17,600 --> 00:02:19,480 Speaker 1: Because it was so funny. 39 00:02:19,680 --> 00:02:23,040 Speaker 2: The post is so funny where he is just like like, 40 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:24,080 Speaker 2: she's gonna be. 41 00:02:24,240 --> 00:02:24,880 Speaker 1: Like wait what. 42 00:02:25,560 --> 00:02:27,919 Speaker 3: He doesn't understand what's going on, but it was really 43 00:02:27,919 --> 00:02:31,040 Speaker 3: funny because the moment that we see them, we see 44 00:02:31,120 --> 00:02:34,560 Speaker 3: Vecna put his kind of creepy mouth thing. 45 00:02:34,480 --> 00:02:36,480 Speaker 1: Into your mouth. It's really bad. 46 00:02:36,520 --> 00:02:39,760 Speaker 3: And Nick was like, you know what, here's an outsider perspective. 47 00:02:40,080 --> 00:02:41,840 Speaker 1: I probably would have turned it off after that. 48 00:02:41,960 --> 00:02:44,200 Speaker 3: Why is he putting that in an eleven year old's mouth, 49 00:02:44,240 --> 00:02:47,359 Speaker 3: And I was like, thanks, granddad, but yes, now it's 50 00:02:47,400 --> 00:02:48,520 Speaker 3: only four years later. 51 00:02:48,639 --> 00:02:50,560 Speaker 1: Shockingly, Jason, where we caught. 52 00:02:50,560 --> 00:02:53,760 Speaker 2: It's the present day later. And by the way, this 53 00:02:53,840 --> 00:02:57,919 Speaker 2: is the opening featured a de aged Will Bias. 54 00:02:58,000 --> 00:02:59,799 Speaker 3: They should have just shot that in the time when 55 00:02:59,800 --> 00:03:01,760 Speaker 3: he says, if we're watching. 56 00:03:01,400 --> 00:03:05,320 Speaker 2: The irishmid or something, yeah, like come on, we cut 57 00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:10,480 Speaker 2: to the president's now nineteen eighty seven, but basically like 58 00:03:11,720 --> 00:03:15,679 Speaker 2: four years nearly to the day later from the flashback, 59 00:03:16,280 --> 00:03:20,400 Speaker 2: Hawkins is under a government occupation. Everybody in the town 60 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:25,680 Speaker 2: is taking this essentially in stride. Steve Harrington and Robin 61 00:03:26,480 --> 00:03:30,280 Speaker 2: are now working at the local radio station, where you know, 62 00:03:30,480 --> 00:03:35,120 Speaker 2: Robin is like the hot DJ in town giving updates 63 00:03:35,680 --> 00:03:41,000 Speaker 2: about the military occupation, but in a subversive way where 64 00:03:41,040 --> 00:03:45,040 Speaker 2: it's like she's kind of criticizing it, but also in 65 00:03:45,080 --> 00:03:49,360 Speaker 2: a way that makes it somehow palatable to the military. 66 00:03:49,520 --> 00:03:52,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, she's doing a lot of like and next this 67 00:03:52,080 --> 00:03:55,120 Speaker 3: great song Kids in America and kid Yeah, I hope 68 00:03:55,120 --> 00:03:58,000 Speaker 3: you're doing okay in this version of America, which kind 69 00:03:58,040 --> 00:04:00,640 Speaker 3: of sucks, but you know, lots of fun. 70 00:04:01,120 --> 00:04:03,400 Speaker 1: I love I love Maya Huac in this role. They 71 00:04:03,680 --> 00:04:05,480 Speaker 1: truly were blessed to get her. 72 00:04:07,160 --> 00:04:13,400 Speaker 2: Meanwhile, the military is there to do a couple of things, 73 00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:15,640 Speaker 2: one of which we're gonna find out about, the other 74 00:04:15,880 --> 00:04:19,480 Speaker 2: of which is obviously to find eleven, track her down 75 00:04:19,560 --> 00:04:24,320 Speaker 2: and take her prisoner. She's doing her Jedi training out 76 00:04:24,360 --> 00:04:27,279 Speaker 2: like in the woods, like jumping over cars and blowing 77 00:04:27,360 --> 00:04:32,280 Speaker 2: up pumpkins and doing all that stuff. Hopper and Joyce 78 00:04:32,560 --> 00:04:36,440 Speaker 2: are you know, checking in with her. Meanwhile, Dustin is 79 00:04:36,600 --> 00:04:39,520 Speaker 2: still in school at twenty six years. 80 00:04:39,360 --> 00:04:44,040 Speaker 1: Old and a school. It's my biggest question, send him 81 00:04:44,080 --> 00:04:44,520 Speaker 1: to college. 82 00:04:44,920 --> 00:04:48,440 Speaker 2: He's he's devastated over the death of Eddie at the 83 00:04:48,520 --> 00:04:50,960 Speaker 2: end of season four and the sacrifice Eddie made, and 84 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:54,480 Speaker 2: the fact that the kind of the jocks in school 85 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:58,760 Speaker 2: certainly still still view Eddie as like a piece of 86 00:04:58,800 --> 00:05:04,320 Speaker 2: shit hell fire club murderer and don't celebrate him in 87 00:05:04,360 --> 00:05:06,520 Speaker 2: the way he deserves to be celebrated as someone who 88 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:11,000 Speaker 2: literally kind of soft saved the world, you know, a 89 00:05:11,040 --> 00:05:15,200 Speaker 2: little bit kind of saved it. Meanwhile, the mission, part 90 00:05:15,240 --> 00:05:19,599 Speaker 2: of the military's mission is to they're going into the 91 00:05:19,640 --> 00:05:23,320 Speaker 2: upside down for something. They do a controlled burn, which 92 00:05:23,560 --> 00:05:28,599 Speaker 2: is like a flame throwing open this very vaginal birth 93 00:05:28,680 --> 00:05:34,120 Speaker 2: canal gate into the upside down. Hopper is going to 94 00:05:34,240 --> 00:05:39,760 Speaker 2: go in there, and you know, uh. 95 00:05:39,200 --> 00:05:42,720 Speaker 1: I guess like look for Vecna. It's kind of look 96 00:05:42,760 --> 00:05:44,360 Speaker 1: for to hunt him down and care. 97 00:05:45,200 --> 00:05:48,559 Speaker 3: It's kind of how in Godzilla, the American legendary monster 98 00:05:48,680 --> 00:05:51,080 Speaker 3: us stuff. To get into the hollow Earth, you have 99 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:52,320 Speaker 3: to follow a titan. 100 00:05:52,520 --> 00:05:53,800 Speaker 1: This is kind of their version. 101 00:05:53,880 --> 00:05:56,520 Speaker 3: They sort of sneak in after the government, right like, 102 00:05:56,760 --> 00:05:58,320 Speaker 3: I don't notice. 103 00:05:58,160 --> 00:05:59,880 Speaker 2: That's the plan, and then the kids are going to 104 00:05:59,920 --> 00:06:04,200 Speaker 2: be outside basically tracking him in parallel in the right 105 00:06:04,279 --> 00:06:08,440 Speaker 2: side up, keeping within radio range so they can always 106 00:06:08,480 --> 00:06:13,080 Speaker 2: like know where he is. Meanwhile, Holly Wheeler, Mike and 107 00:06:13,200 --> 00:06:17,800 Speaker 2: Nancy's once very minor character sister is now taking her 108 00:06:18,200 --> 00:06:20,919 Speaker 2: steps into the foreground of our story. She's in middle 109 00:06:20,920 --> 00:06:24,280 Speaker 2: school now and she's got an imaginary friend. Uh not 110 00:06:24,360 --> 00:06:26,640 Speaker 2: even I don't know, like imaginary adult friend. 111 00:06:26,960 --> 00:06:29,440 Speaker 1: I know it's it's very imaginary. 112 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:35,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, named mister what's it? Who? Is a character 113 00:06:35,200 --> 00:06:39,119 Speaker 2: from Madeline Lengles A Wrinkle in Time, which she's also 114 00:06:39,200 --> 00:06:43,240 Speaker 2: reading and which is kind of the big eighties pop 115 00:06:43,279 --> 00:06:48,119 Speaker 2: culture drop of this season thus far. A teacher sees 116 00:06:48,160 --> 00:06:51,880 Speaker 2: her talking to this imaginary mister. Imaginary Air quotes mister 117 00:06:51,920 --> 00:06:54,320 Speaker 2: what's it? And doesn't see anything, just sees her talking 118 00:06:54,880 --> 00:06:58,400 Speaker 2: to to air. And obviously people are concerned that night 119 00:06:58,720 --> 00:07:03,200 Speaker 2: our heroes do the crow all and Will's the back 120 00:07:03,240 --> 00:07:09,960 Speaker 2: of Will's neck goes fucking crazy. God, it's going. It's 121 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:14,880 Speaker 2: going nuts now. And Will's connection with the upside Down 122 00:07:14,960 --> 00:07:17,640 Speaker 2: and specifically with a Dema Gorgon and the upside Down 123 00:07:17,840 --> 00:07:21,840 Speaker 2: is like stronger and more amplified than ever. He basically 124 00:07:21,880 --> 00:07:26,000 Speaker 2: sees through its eyes, thinks its thoughts, sees everything it sees, 125 00:07:26,720 --> 00:07:30,360 Speaker 2: and does he hunt against soldiers and stuff? 126 00:07:30,400 --> 00:07:31,600 Speaker 1: Does he control it? 127 00:07:31,600 --> 00:07:34,520 Speaker 3: It's hunts down the soldiers to stop them from getting 128 00:07:34,560 --> 00:07:35,160 Speaker 3: to hop By. 129 00:07:35,240 --> 00:07:37,120 Speaker 1: I think they want us to feel like. 130 00:07:37,160 --> 00:07:39,720 Speaker 3: The connection might be that big because it kills all 131 00:07:39,760 --> 00:07:41,080 Speaker 3: the soldiers but leaves Hoppa. 132 00:07:41,240 --> 00:07:41,920 Speaker 1: But we don't know. 133 00:07:43,160 --> 00:07:46,600 Speaker 2: It's a good question, right whether it goes both ways, 134 00:07:46,800 --> 00:07:51,239 Speaker 2: And I think you're right that it's certainly open for debate. 135 00:07:51,800 --> 00:07:56,200 Speaker 2: The Dema Gorgon then makes a beeline towards the Wheeler 136 00:07:56,280 --> 00:08:00,320 Speaker 2: House in the Upside Down, creating a portal to like, 137 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:06,559 Speaker 2: you know, drill through the interdimensional barriers. And who should 138 00:08:06,600 --> 00:08:09,559 Speaker 2: be in the house at the moment, but one Holly 139 00:08:09,560 --> 00:08:13,400 Speaker 2: Wheeler who's like you know, in her bedroom being being weird. 140 00:08:14,320 --> 00:08:17,000 Speaker 2: As the lights start flickering and the portal to the 141 00:08:17,080 --> 00:08:19,240 Speaker 2: upside Down opens in the corner of the bedroom and 142 00:08:19,360 --> 00:08:22,119 Speaker 2: the demo Gorgan peaks its disgusting head through and roars 143 00:08:22,160 --> 00:08:24,880 Speaker 2: at her. Okay, let's take a quick break and we'll 144 00:08:24,880 --> 00:08:44,240 Speaker 2: be right back with episode two. Episode two, the Vanishing 145 00:08:44,280 --> 00:08:47,240 Speaker 2: of Holly Wheeler. We pick up right where we left off. 146 00:08:47,720 --> 00:08:52,640 Speaker 2: It's chaos at the Wheeler households. Holly is fucking screaming. 147 00:08:53,559 --> 00:08:57,120 Speaker 2: H Karen is in the bathroom getting ready to like. 148 00:08:58,800 --> 00:09:02,120 Speaker 3: Zone out and bad mumming it up as always. 149 00:09:02,440 --> 00:09:06,240 Speaker 2: Somehow does not hear the screaming and crashing and banging 150 00:09:06,320 --> 00:09:09,360 Speaker 2: and Dema Gorgons slamming that's going on just down the hall. 151 00:09:09,920 --> 00:09:14,880 Speaker 2: Ted Wheeler is outside shanking golf balls into the tree. 152 00:09:16,480 --> 00:09:19,000 Speaker 3: Both these parents need to stew out. Also, we didn't 153 00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:21,560 Speaker 3: even mention the fact that in the first opening of 154 00:09:21,600 --> 00:09:25,120 Speaker 3: the show, after we see DHD well you also like 155 00:09:25,240 --> 00:09:28,040 Speaker 3: lun I just everyone's living in the Wheeler House like 156 00:09:28,120 --> 00:09:30,680 Speaker 3: it's like a blended family sitcom and. 157 00:09:33,080 --> 00:09:39,320 Speaker 2: Over it is over it, Holly runs to go you know, 158 00:09:39,679 --> 00:09:41,880 Speaker 2: find mom in the bathroom and Mom's like, what are 159 00:09:41,880 --> 00:09:45,599 Speaker 2: you talking about? Like, okay, this is a dream. But 160 00:09:45,640 --> 00:09:47,480 Speaker 2: then it turns out, guess what, the demo Gorgan's there. 161 00:09:47,960 --> 00:09:51,600 Speaker 2: Karen steps up, attacks a demogorn with wine bottle, gets 162 00:09:51,600 --> 00:09:52,560 Speaker 2: in some good hits. 163 00:09:52,559 --> 00:09:55,360 Speaker 3: I gotta say, impressive amount of hits from Karen. That's 164 00:09:55,400 --> 00:09:58,640 Speaker 3: the desperation of an agrie mom. I love to sit 165 00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:04,959 Speaker 3: and the mcrogan actually also, I was pretty shocked in 166 00:10:05,240 --> 00:10:08,880 Speaker 3: the moment where the demo Gorgan sort of like the 167 00:10:08,920 --> 00:10:12,080 Speaker 3: way it uses its hands, It almost like just claws 168 00:10:12,200 --> 00:10:15,880 Speaker 3: through Karen's stomach, no issue, and it demolishes the dad 169 00:10:15,920 --> 00:10:17,400 Speaker 3: when he should mention him. 170 00:10:18,440 --> 00:10:20,400 Speaker 2: Ted comes in. Ted comes in with the golf club, 171 00:10:20,440 --> 00:10:22,080 Speaker 2: gets absolutely fucking wrecked. 172 00:10:22,200 --> 00:10:24,520 Speaker 1: Might be dead, it looks like. 173 00:10:25,960 --> 00:10:29,640 Speaker 2: And then and then the Demigorgon, after getting stabbed a 174 00:10:29,679 --> 00:10:33,319 Speaker 2: couple times with this broken wine bottle, just slashes Karen 175 00:10:33,559 --> 00:10:37,000 Speaker 2: about the neck and she's really really fucked up, and 176 00:10:37,080 --> 00:10:40,600 Speaker 2: Holly has been dragged into the upside down. But before 177 00:10:40,600 --> 00:10:45,600 Speaker 2: the portal seals eleven, going against the set crawl plan 178 00:10:46,400 --> 00:10:51,559 Speaker 2: and the demands of fucking sex addict David Harper. 179 00:10:52,480 --> 00:10:55,079 Speaker 1: Harper tells a terrible dad. 180 00:10:55,160 --> 00:10:58,160 Speaker 3: Guys, just like awful dad, always been an awful dad. 181 00:10:58,200 --> 00:11:00,840 Speaker 3: And I wrote an article about him fucking twenty nineteen, 182 00:11:00,920 --> 00:11:04,280 Speaker 3: about season three, and I stand by it because this man, 183 00:11:04,400 --> 00:11:06,240 Speaker 3: he's talking time about you're going to do it quick on. 184 00:11:06,320 --> 00:11:07,560 Speaker 3: You got to that's not even your. 185 00:11:07,559 --> 00:11:12,600 Speaker 2: Child, who listen? He is that they had a deal 186 00:11:12,720 --> 00:11:14,480 Speaker 2: that unless she hit a certain number, she could not 187 00:11:14,720 --> 00:11:16,640 Speaker 2: come on the mission to the Upside Down. But now 188 00:11:16,640 --> 00:11:19,040 Speaker 2: she's got to go because she's got to save Holly Wheeler, 189 00:11:19,080 --> 00:11:19,960 Speaker 2: so she goes, yeah. 190 00:11:20,320 --> 00:11:20,600 Speaker 1: Fuck. 191 00:11:21,360 --> 00:11:24,720 Speaker 2: Meanwhile, the military eventually shows up locks down the Wheeler house, 192 00:11:25,160 --> 00:11:27,760 Speaker 2: and they're convinced like, oh now we're on the path 193 00:11:27,880 --> 00:11:32,080 Speaker 2: to eleven. We're gonna find her now. And they're you know, 194 00:11:32,160 --> 00:11:36,600 Speaker 2: studying photos and surveillance and trying to figure out like, okay, 195 00:11:36,640 --> 00:11:39,880 Speaker 2: who do we how do we really like find her? Meanwhile, 196 00:11:40,400 --> 00:11:42,360 Speaker 2: and they figure out like, oh, if we if we 197 00:11:42,480 --> 00:11:46,720 Speaker 2: zero in on Jane, that's maybe the way to do it. Meanwhile, 198 00:11:46,760 --> 00:11:51,640 Speaker 2: on the Upside Down, Ellen Hopper reunite when Elle throws 199 00:11:51,720 --> 00:11:55,600 Speaker 2: him into a tree and they have an argument. They 200 00:11:55,600 --> 00:11:57,560 Speaker 2: have an argument about like what are you doing here? 201 00:11:58,160 --> 00:12:02,720 Speaker 2: But there's really no time to talk because you know, uh, 202 00:12:03,040 --> 00:12:07,000 Speaker 2: the Demi Gorgan is down there, and you know, Ella's like, listen, 203 00:12:07,040 --> 00:12:10,199 Speaker 2: we need to find Holly Wheeler. And Hopper's like, what 204 00:12:10,320 --> 00:12:13,320 Speaker 2: the sister. He's like, yes, Lucas, she's a minor character. 205 00:12:13,720 --> 00:12:16,200 Speaker 2: That's what was like, that's what we're doing now, okay, 206 00:12:16,240 --> 00:12:19,880 Speaker 2: and he's like very Burgrudgering is like fine. Back in Hawkins, 207 00:12:20,320 --> 00:12:25,440 Speaker 2: Nancy and Might go to the hospital, and Nancy is 208 00:12:25,720 --> 00:12:29,400 Speaker 2: just very, very very upset because like she has seen 209 00:12:29,520 --> 00:12:32,640 Speaker 2: versions of something like this happening, and she blames herself, 210 00:12:32,760 --> 00:12:37,880 Speaker 2: and Lucas meanwhile reminds them that, hey, think about the 211 00:12:37,920 --> 00:12:38,520 Speaker 2: timing here. 212 00:12:38,640 --> 00:12:40,880 Speaker 1: Oh okay, finally somebody clever. 213 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:44,760 Speaker 3: This is like, let Lucas be the w yes and 214 00:12:44,920 --> 00:12:47,559 Speaker 3: be the will of this show. We know that this 215 00:12:47,640 --> 00:12:50,160 Speaker 3: is gonna he should be the style historian. 216 00:12:50,360 --> 00:12:52,040 Speaker 1: Like yes, he's so glad he said. 217 00:12:52,160 --> 00:12:54,480 Speaker 3: When he said this, I was like, oh my god, 218 00:12:54,640 --> 00:12:57,640 Speaker 3: finally someone who's like keeping a calendar or a journal, 219 00:12:57,800 --> 00:13:00,400 Speaker 3: like you guys are just acting like this is knew, 220 00:13:00,480 --> 00:13:02,439 Speaker 3: but it's been happening for four years. 221 00:13:02,480 --> 00:13:05,959 Speaker 1: Like Lucas is making a planet. I can't wait to. 222 00:13:05,960 --> 00:13:08,720 Speaker 2: Talk about that. Okay, So Lucas, Yes, Lucas is the 223 00:13:08,720 --> 00:13:13,000 Speaker 2: only one who's like, oh my god, this is like 224 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:16,840 Speaker 2: like four years to the day of when Will vanished, 225 00:13:16,920 --> 00:13:20,199 Speaker 2: Like in three days, it's gonna be exactly four years. 226 00:13:20,600 --> 00:13:23,920 Speaker 2: And why didn't Vecna if he really wanted to hurt us? 227 00:13:23,920 --> 00:13:26,040 Speaker 2: Why didn't he like kill Karen, like he could have 228 00:13:26,120 --> 00:13:28,120 Speaker 2: killed everybody in the else he didn't. What's he like? 229 00:13:28,240 --> 00:13:32,760 Speaker 2: There's something else going on? But what is it? Will 230 00:13:32,840 --> 00:13:36,640 Speaker 2: then says, oh, yeah, by the way, I'm seeing through 231 00:13:36,640 --> 00:13:39,640 Speaker 2: the demo organized, so like my connections to the upside 232 00:13:39,640 --> 00:13:42,760 Speaker 2: down is like changed and it's more amplified. And I'm 233 00:13:42,760 --> 00:13:45,520 Speaker 2: not just sensing Vecna, I'm sensing other stuff. It's like 234 00:13:45,559 --> 00:13:47,720 Speaker 2: a hive, like a hive mind. 235 00:13:48,360 --> 00:13:51,880 Speaker 3: Okay, Jason, how how wide on a scale of one 236 00:13:51,920 --> 00:13:55,199 Speaker 3: to ten, did when going to ride his eyes go 237 00:13:55,720 --> 00:13:59,240 Speaker 3: when Will said that he had this new power? 238 00:14:00,520 --> 00:14:03,839 Speaker 2: It went very wide. It's crazy by this time that 239 00:14:04,080 --> 00:14:10,719 Speaker 2: four years you're still acting like this is new and 240 00:14:11,240 --> 00:14:17,080 Speaker 2: she can't believe what's happening, and it's like, Joyce, babe, 241 00:14:17,400 --> 00:14:18,600 Speaker 2: this has been going on. 242 00:14:18,880 --> 00:14:21,640 Speaker 3: I'm like, I can't been good like and everyone knows 243 00:14:21,680 --> 00:14:24,480 Speaker 3: now too, Like your city is under quarantine. You are 244 00:14:24,520 --> 00:14:26,760 Speaker 3: no longer like a mom having to hide the fact 245 00:14:26,800 --> 00:14:28,960 Speaker 3: that you believe your kid is still alive, like there 246 00:14:29,040 --> 00:14:33,360 Speaker 3: is a military occupation of porkins, which also Jay said 247 00:14:33,400 --> 00:14:35,080 Speaker 3: something else I want to ask you about because I 248 00:14:35,080 --> 00:14:40,640 Speaker 3: feel like American culture is obsessed with putting fictional American 249 00:14:40,680 --> 00:14:42,800 Speaker 3: towns into quarantine zones, and I want to talk about it. 250 00:14:42,800 --> 00:14:44,400 Speaker 1: But anyway, back to the recap. 251 00:14:44,360 --> 00:14:46,640 Speaker 2: Yes, let's we'll talk about that after the next ereak. 252 00:14:46,720 --> 00:14:50,920 Speaker 2: So then Robin is we learn is has a girlfriend 253 00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:57,640 Speaker 2: named Vicki. She's a nurse and also nurse slash candy 254 00:14:57,680 --> 00:14:59,360 Speaker 2: striper outfits of the eighties. 255 00:14:59,400 --> 00:15:01,880 Speaker 1: Insane, Insane that they would make people with that. 256 00:15:02,040 --> 00:15:07,200 Speaker 2: They look like they should be legitimately hawking like candies 257 00:15:07,240 --> 00:15:10,080 Speaker 2: and in a cinema coffee in a cigarettes. 258 00:15:10,240 --> 00:15:11,200 Speaker 1: Yeah. Completely. 259 00:15:11,240 --> 00:15:16,640 Speaker 2: Anyway, Robin has a girlfriendamed Vicky, and they're treating Will's 260 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:22,000 Speaker 2: goosebumps and his seizures, and they're figuring out like, Okay, 261 00:15:22,040 --> 00:15:24,720 Speaker 2: maybe we can use Will to like track back. Now, 262 00:15:25,200 --> 00:15:29,840 Speaker 2: Joyce does not love that idea because so you're my 263 00:15:29,920 --> 00:15:32,160 Speaker 2: son and we're not doing that, blah blah blah, and 264 00:15:32,200 --> 00:15:34,520 Speaker 2: Will's like, yes, I am because like, you gotta let 265 00:15:34,520 --> 00:15:36,160 Speaker 2: me do what I'm gonna do, because again this has 266 00:15:36,160 --> 00:15:38,920 Speaker 2: been gone for four years mom, and like let me 267 00:15:38,960 --> 00:15:39,120 Speaker 2: do it. 268 00:15:39,360 --> 00:15:39,560 Speaker 1: Yeah. 269 00:15:39,640 --> 00:15:46,720 Speaker 2: Jonathan and Steve are arguing about really Steve's pred election 270 00:15:46,960 --> 00:15:51,040 Speaker 2: to like do stuff to impress Nancy. Like they had 271 00:15:51,080 --> 00:15:53,960 Speaker 2: this pissing contest at the radio station about like who's 272 00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:55,920 Speaker 2: gonna climb up the ladders to the top of the 273 00:15:55,960 --> 00:15:59,840 Speaker 2: fucking radio tires, Like, guys, calm down. Let me Also, 274 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:03,080 Speaker 2: I just want to say, like Jonathan ran out first. 275 00:16:03,120 --> 00:16:05,480 Speaker 2: He kind of started it and then acted like a victim, 276 00:16:05,560 --> 00:16:08,400 Speaker 2: like Steve, why are you why are you doing this? 277 00:16:08,720 --> 00:16:11,840 Speaker 3: No, I'm a Jonathan. Hey, he can go in the 278 00:16:11,880 --> 00:16:13,880 Speaker 3: trash with Dustin, I mean with no notice. 279 00:16:14,000 --> 00:16:15,120 Speaker 1: Sorry, Dustin, I meant help. 280 00:16:15,720 --> 00:16:20,280 Speaker 2: Oh god, he was like Jonathan was like one wrung 281 00:16:20,440 --> 00:16:24,240 Speaker 2: up the ladder and out of breath. So maybe don't 282 00:16:24,240 --> 00:16:28,120 Speaker 2: talk about your fitness Jonathan. Anyway, So they're talking about 283 00:16:28,120 --> 00:16:31,080 Speaker 2: this like stop, you know. Jonathan's like, hey, stop doing this, 284 00:16:31,320 --> 00:16:37,560 Speaker 2: like it's really annoying Steve. Meanwhile, Steve is like, Dustin, 285 00:16:38,600 --> 00:16:42,120 Speaker 2: I know you're lying about the fact that like you're 286 00:16:42,200 --> 00:16:45,760 Speaker 2: beat up clearly and that your bullies did this, but 287 00:16:45,840 --> 00:16:47,720 Speaker 2: you're trying to say, like, oh, I fell off a 288 00:16:47,800 --> 00:16:50,680 Speaker 2: ladder or some bullshit like I and. 289 00:16:51,240 --> 00:16:54,680 Speaker 3: Dustin and Steve obviously in some kind of argument off 290 00:16:54,720 --> 00:16:57,640 Speaker 3: the Eddie's death, like Dustin feels like he didn't do 291 00:16:57,760 --> 00:17:00,160 Speaker 3: enough or something, which again taking away one of the 292 00:17:00,200 --> 00:17:02,520 Speaker 3: loveliest elements of the show, which is their friendship. 293 00:17:03,160 --> 00:17:05,480 Speaker 1: But yes, Dustin did get beating up. He did make it. 294 00:17:05,600 --> 00:17:08,720 Speaker 3: And now with this tiny little John Watter's mustache and 295 00:17:08,760 --> 00:17:10,920 Speaker 3: his mullet, he is embroiled. 296 00:17:10,920 --> 00:17:12,600 Speaker 1: In the Holly Wheelerss situation. 297 00:17:13,040 --> 00:17:16,760 Speaker 2: Mike and Nancy disguised themselves as hospital staff to get 298 00:17:16,800 --> 00:17:19,720 Speaker 2: in to talk to Karen. Karen, you know, her throat's 299 00:17:19,720 --> 00:17:22,040 Speaker 2: been torn out, so she has to write stuff, but 300 00:17:22,680 --> 00:17:25,959 Speaker 2: she writes what she remembers. And Will and Robin realized 301 00:17:26,040 --> 00:17:30,920 Speaker 2: that Will's latest collapse was him seeing from Holly's point 302 00:17:30,960 --> 00:17:35,720 Speaker 2: of view. And now between Karen's notes and Will's visions, 303 00:17:35,760 --> 00:17:38,280 Speaker 2: they kind of figure out, like, what's going on, mister, 304 00:17:38,400 --> 00:17:43,800 Speaker 2: what's it? Holly's imaginary friend is Vetna Henry Creole and 305 00:17:44,480 --> 00:17:48,840 Speaker 2: he's luring her to the upside down for something, Yes, Bob. 306 00:17:49,000 --> 00:17:52,120 Speaker 3: And he's gonna keep her family safe and yeah. I mean, 307 00:17:52,359 --> 00:17:54,760 Speaker 3: Karen's really going through it. Literally, all she could write 308 00:17:54,840 --> 00:17:57,359 Speaker 3: was just the word Henry. So well, it was going 309 00:17:57,400 --> 00:18:00,520 Speaker 3: badly for her, and he's going badly for Holly because 310 00:18:00,560 --> 00:18:05,359 Speaker 3: now she's in the creole the creepy creole house and 311 00:18:05,600 --> 00:18:08,480 Speaker 3: h Yeah. 312 00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:09,840 Speaker 2: Let's take a quick let's take a quick break, come back, 313 00:18:09,840 --> 00:18:13,000 Speaker 2: and let's discuss straight the first two episodes of Stranger 314 00:18:13,040 --> 00:18:32,639 Speaker 2: Thinks the final game, and we're back. Okay, I have 315 00:18:32,720 --> 00:18:35,879 Speaker 2: a Before we get into our general thoughts, I have 316 00:18:35,960 --> 00:18:39,440 Speaker 2: a I have an overall opinion that I'd like to share. 317 00:18:39,560 --> 00:18:39,879 Speaker 1: Please. 318 00:18:40,480 --> 00:18:46,200 Speaker 2: I think that in the future, for shows such as 319 00:18:46,400 --> 00:18:50,639 Speaker 2: this that cast younger actors and have a story that 320 00:18:50,800 --> 00:18:57,359 Speaker 2: unfolds over multiple seasons. I think Game of Thrones is 321 00:18:57,359 --> 00:19:00,560 Speaker 2: another example of this. Lost is another example of this, 322 00:19:00,640 --> 00:19:05,720 Speaker 2: although less centered on young there's only one young character. 323 00:19:06,960 --> 00:19:12,040 Speaker 2: I would I would suggest to the showrunners to think 324 00:19:12,080 --> 00:19:17,720 Speaker 2: about shifting the show so that it more closely tracks 325 00:19:18,280 --> 00:19:20,280 Speaker 2: real life time. 326 00:19:20,840 --> 00:19:21,159 Speaker 1: Yeah. 327 00:19:21,200 --> 00:19:24,199 Speaker 2: Like, there's nothing in this season of Stranger Things, in 328 00:19:24,240 --> 00:19:28,800 Speaker 2: my opinion, that says Dustin still has to be in 329 00:19:28,880 --> 00:19:31,080 Speaker 2: high school. No, like these kids still have to be 330 00:19:31,160 --> 00:19:33,000 Speaker 2: They don't have to They could be in college. 331 00:19:33,040 --> 00:19:34,280 Speaker 1: They could be junior college. 332 00:19:34,520 --> 00:19:38,400 Speaker 3: They let Steve leave high school and get a summer job, 333 00:19:38,760 --> 00:19:41,719 Speaker 3: you know, like, at least let these kids do that. 334 00:19:41,880 --> 00:19:44,720 Speaker 3: Like Dustin literally looks like he's twenty five and owns 335 00:19:44,760 --> 00:19:46,560 Speaker 3: a mechanics office. 336 00:19:46,720 --> 00:19:48,280 Speaker 1: Like I Also, I. 337 00:19:48,240 --> 00:19:52,320 Speaker 3: Don't personally think that the trapping of the eighties at 338 00:19:52,320 --> 00:19:54,880 Speaker 3: this point is so important that they needed to keep 339 00:19:54,920 --> 00:19:57,639 Speaker 3: it there. I think they could have fully gone to 340 00:19:57,720 --> 00:20:00,480 Speaker 3: the nineties at this season. Also, like every has done 341 00:20:00,560 --> 00:20:03,440 Speaker 3: time jumps, there's no harm in a time jump. I 342 00:20:04,440 --> 00:20:06,760 Speaker 3: was assuming there would be a time jump. I did 343 00:20:06,800 --> 00:20:09,560 Speaker 3: not think it would just go straight in. So I 344 00:20:09,640 --> 00:20:13,080 Speaker 3: will say, you know, it's not exactly like the world's 345 00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:17,560 Speaker 3: most fresh take, but I do think that it takes 346 00:20:17,560 --> 00:20:20,199 Speaker 3: you out of the show, like for me personally as 347 00:20:20,240 --> 00:20:22,399 Speaker 3: somebody who's followed the show the whole way through the season, 348 00:20:22,520 --> 00:20:25,040 Speaker 3: but also as people watching with someone who had never 349 00:20:25,080 --> 00:20:30,400 Speaker 3: seen the show, Like it is Riverdale levels of distracting 350 00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:36,280 Speaker 3: this season, how old the kids are and why there's 351 00:20:36,359 --> 00:20:39,639 Speaker 3: no narrative reason because like the basketball bullying stuff for 352 00:20:39,760 --> 00:20:42,719 Speaker 3: Dustin not one of the strongest subplots. Like, there's a 353 00:20:42,760 --> 00:20:46,679 Speaker 3: lot of subplots here, and I feel like you probably 354 00:20:46,680 --> 00:20:48,879 Speaker 3: could have xd out a few by allowing it to 355 00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:50,760 Speaker 3: age a little more naturally. 356 00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:55,560 Speaker 2: I agree, And I think that I'm always a sucker 357 00:20:55,600 --> 00:20:59,679 Speaker 2: for the end of a show montage that's like, oh, 358 00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:02,600 Speaker 2: look how young everybody was and look what they look like. Now, 359 00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:07,879 Speaker 2: that's always like an emotional drunk that you can bang. 360 00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:11,600 Speaker 2: And you can do that if you let the characters age. Yeah, 361 00:21:11,640 --> 00:21:15,120 Speaker 2: I just find it. I just think to your point, 362 00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:19,800 Speaker 2: it is mega distracting at this point, and and why 363 00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:23,479 Speaker 2: not just do that because you could also age up 364 00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:26,040 Speaker 2: the themes, like you could have more or just like 365 00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:30,040 Speaker 2: more adult I think, happy, what am I gonna do 366 00:21:30,080 --> 00:21:32,800 Speaker 2: with my life? Am I ever gonna find like a 367 00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:34,800 Speaker 2: person to be in a long term relationship with? 368 00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:35,679 Speaker 1: These are all. 369 00:21:35,560 --> 00:21:38,840 Speaker 3: Things that like you can do that in this space 370 00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:41,240 Speaker 3: of Hawkins is so interesting. And I will also say 371 00:21:41,320 --> 00:21:44,600 Speaker 3: I totally agree with you because I think that, for example, 372 00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:47,040 Speaker 3: I do want to see and we're never gonna get this. 373 00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:48,200 Speaker 1: I get it maybe in. 374 00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:52,040 Speaker 3: A cool book twenty years down the line that's sorted 375 00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:54,199 Speaker 3: by an incredible genre, right and we don't even know 376 00:21:54,280 --> 00:21:56,400 Speaker 3: yet who's probably writing, you know, has been hotel foun 377 00:21:56,480 --> 00:21:58,800 Speaker 3: fiction right now, maybe there'll be an eleven book that 378 00:21:58,840 --> 00:22:02,160 Speaker 3: deals with this, but the maturing of the themes would 379 00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:04,000 Speaker 3: have allowed us to deal with the fact that Hoppit 380 00:22:04,119 --> 00:22:08,200 Speaker 3: essentially kidnapped a child, kept her in prison by the way, 381 00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:10,480 Speaker 3: kept her imprisoned in a wooden. 382 00:22:10,119 --> 00:22:13,560 Speaker 1: Shack for a year, and is now still a bad dad. 383 00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:16,000 Speaker 3: Like I would have just like a tiny bit of 384 00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:19,000 Speaker 3: eleven being like, I'm twenty one, now, what does that 385 00:22:19,119 --> 00:22:19,600 Speaker 3: look like? 386 00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:22,879 Speaker 1: What am I real? You know, there's something I think 387 00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:25,399 Speaker 1: that is missing in that. 388 00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:31,320 Speaker 3: But also I would say that, yeah, Ian Will being 389 00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:34,439 Speaker 3: addicted to drugs to like try and deal with the 390 00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:38,159 Speaker 3: abduction or something, so many interesting analogus I feel like 391 00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:41,280 Speaker 3: they could have done, as these kids are all now 392 00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:44,960 Speaker 3: in their twenties. But saying that, I also understand that 393 00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:47,320 Speaker 3: this show has a lot to wrap up if you 394 00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:49,960 Speaker 3: have been following it, So I will say that I 395 00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:52,320 Speaker 3: do think, you know, one of the big critiques in 396 00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:54,879 Speaker 3: my living room and also in the internet, is like 397 00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:57,960 Speaker 3: this is just to show. These first episodes especially, are 398 00:22:57,960 --> 00:23:00,800 Speaker 3: lots of people just having conversations. But if you are 399 00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:03,520 Speaker 3: invested in those characters and care about where they're going, 400 00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:06,520 Speaker 3: then you care about the conversations. But it's not necessarily 401 00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:09,320 Speaker 3: as a texted Jason last night. Not a great jumping 402 00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:09,760 Speaker 3: on point. 403 00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:14,080 Speaker 4: No, No, you have to have watched every at least 404 00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:17,960 Speaker 4: a very good YouTube explainer, or if you're watching with 405 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:20,400 Speaker 4: someone who doesn't know, get ready to be the explainer, 406 00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:21,359 Speaker 4: which is also fun. 407 00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:24,240 Speaker 2: Yes, so that's really my take. Let people let the 408 00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:24,879 Speaker 2: kids age? 409 00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:25,879 Speaker 1: Why not? 410 00:23:26,119 --> 00:23:27,359 Speaker 2: Why not let them age? 411 00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:31,320 Speaker 3: What do you think Beckner's big plan is going to 412 00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:33,720 Speaker 3: have been all along? Because that's what I feel like 413 00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:38,360 Speaker 3: we're leading to. Why taking the kids? Why the telekinesis? 414 00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:41,160 Speaker 3: What does he want? He's promising this safe space? 415 00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:41,800 Speaker 1: Like who? 416 00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:43,600 Speaker 3: What is really going on here? Because for a long 417 00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:46,600 Speaker 3: time the baddies were really just the American government and 418 00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:50,440 Speaker 3: Eleven's dad, but they're kind of shifting that. Have any 419 00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:51,600 Speaker 3: Henry Creole theories? 420 00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:56,320 Speaker 2: I don't. I think maybe he wants to create like 421 00:23:56,359 --> 00:24:00,320 Speaker 2: a nuclear family down there, oh with like how it 422 00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:04,040 Speaker 2: maybe like a and like a have like a normal 423 00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:08,120 Speaker 2: quote unquote normal ish kind of life downer. But honestly, 424 00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:11,359 Speaker 2: I have no idea. I don't see where it's going. 425 00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:13,840 Speaker 2: I don't, which is kind of cool. 426 00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:14,720 Speaker 3: Mm hmm. 427 00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:16,439 Speaker 2: Do you have any thoughts about it? 428 00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:19,199 Speaker 3: I think that they're the fact that they had him 429 00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:21,560 Speaker 3: as mister Watson and they're playing into these kind of 430 00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:25,480 Speaker 3: like ideas of why isn't he killing them and what 431 00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:26,680 Speaker 3: does he really want? 432 00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:28,879 Speaker 1: I think there is going to be more depth to it. 433 00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:30,080 Speaker 1: We know he's another. 434 00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:34,320 Speaker 3: Exploited child like Eleven. It's very X Men coded. Maybe 435 00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:36,959 Speaker 3: they're going to try and make him their magneto this 436 00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:39,960 Speaker 3: season and he's not as evil as they think. But 437 00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:42,320 Speaker 3: it's going to be interesting to see, especially because I 438 00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:45,080 Speaker 3: think what we're really leading to here from the opening 439 00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:48,320 Speaker 3: and where we leave this episode is some kind of 440 00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:51,440 Speaker 3: will Vecna showdown, and that does lead me. I will 441 00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:54,399 Speaker 3: say to one of my other issues with this couple 442 00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:56,960 Speaker 3: of episodes so far, I do not think that Noah 443 00:24:57,000 --> 00:24:59,480 Speaker 3: shap and Will as a character and the way they 444 00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:01,399 Speaker 3: write Am necessarily has. 445 00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:02,680 Speaker 1: The juice to be the lead. 446 00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:06,679 Speaker 3: Mebby Brown in the first season as Eleven was like 447 00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:12,080 Speaker 3: this exciting, enticing Jean Gray esque like Superhero Force. 448 00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:14,880 Speaker 1: I don't know who that is right now. 449 00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:17,960 Speaker 3: I think now everyone just has to be following their favorites. 450 00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:19,640 Speaker 1: I don't think there's a clear lead. 451 00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:22,399 Speaker 2: To your point. I think one of the things the 452 00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:27,399 Speaker 2: show is maybe not done great is kind of reorient 453 00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:32,439 Speaker 2: itself around who its best performers are. Like, I don't 454 00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:37,520 Speaker 2: know that having Sadie Sink, who's awesome, unbelievable, be comatose 455 00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:42,640 Speaker 2: for this open, crazy portion of the last season and 456 00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:45,880 Speaker 2: like not involved at all is necessarily the best idea. 457 00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:49,159 Speaker 2: Like Lucas to your point, as the only one with 458 00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:54,080 Speaker 2: a brain, definitely should be in a lot more scenes 459 00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:57,520 Speaker 2: and more central than he is. I don't care about 460 00:25:57,800 --> 00:26:02,040 Speaker 2: I don't care about Dustin's bullies. These are the high 461 00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:05,240 Speaker 2: school hijinks are like things like I don't care about now. 462 00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:08,000 Speaker 2: To me, it's like the VECNA showdown. 463 00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:11,000 Speaker 3: Is That's what we're leading to, right? And the thing 464 00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:13,920 Speaker 3: is I love everybody knows this, no surprise. I love 465 00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:17,640 Speaker 3: shows about young people and their day to day lives 466 00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:19,800 Speaker 3: and having a young group of people I can root for. 467 00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:23,399 Speaker 3: But it is not believable that Dustin is being beaten 468 00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:26,000 Speaker 3: up by a bunch of teenagers. It's not an important 469 00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:28,640 Speaker 3: story point. We've done it. That was the plot line 470 00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:31,080 Speaker 3: of last season. School does Suck. 471 00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:34,280 Speaker 1: I was bullied. Bullies are bullies. People bully each other. 472 00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:35,640 Speaker 1: We all stuck where ad my kids? 473 00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:38,119 Speaker 3: But like, you don't need that this is not a 474 00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:41,160 Speaker 3: new fresh take that is adding anything to the stranger. 475 00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:48,120 Speaker 2: I will add bullies don't stop after school like they 476 00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:50,719 Speaker 2: can if you This is so back to my original 477 00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:53,480 Speaker 2: kind of why why not let them age? I can 478 00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:57,600 Speaker 2: see where if you're the Duffers or Netflix, you're thinking, well, 479 00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:00,240 Speaker 2: we bought a show about kids in high school, and 480 00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:03,520 Speaker 2: you know, it's like you didn't all of a sudden 481 00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:06,399 Speaker 2: graduate the characters and cheers to what do they do 482 00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:09,040 Speaker 2: outside of the park? Right, you don't do that, like 483 00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:13,000 Speaker 2: let's keep a foremat and let's keep a setting that is, 484 00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:15,119 Speaker 2: you know, we're in Hawkins and the kids are in school. Okay, 485 00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:21,520 Speaker 2: I sort of understand that, But all of these things, 486 00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:24,520 Speaker 2: if you really wanted to do it, like Dustin's Bullies, 487 00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:29,840 Speaker 2: nobody's leaving Hawkins, no wite the fact that there's interdmensional portals, 488 00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:37,240 Speaker 2: constant demagorgon attacks, margar disappearances and murders and like weird 489 00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:41,960 Speaker 2: things happening all the time. Everybody's sticking around. So like 490 00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:46,440 Speaker 2: Dustin's Bullies, they don't Yeah, they don't have to leave 491 00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:48,920 Speaker 2: town because they're not in high school anymore. 492 00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:49,960 Speaker 1: Exactly could have all that. 493 00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:53,920 Speaker 3: Also, I would say a funny narrative pitch I would 494 00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:57,000 Speaker 3: have thrown into this is like I would have just 495 00:27:57,040 --> 00:28:01,560 Speaker 3: been like, yeah, that all in that twenty but actually 496 00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:04,200 Speaker 3: they still have to just essentially stay in high school 497 00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:06,880 Speaker 3: in this like because this is because. 498 00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:07,760 Speaker 1: We're in the quarantine. 499 00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:10,440 Speaker 3: Like that would have been an interesting matter, like Stacys, 500 00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:12,800 Speaker 3: like you're not really in high school, but you've got 501 00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:15,240 Speaker 3: to stay in the high school building doing college or 502 00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:18,080 Speaker 3: whatever because it's quarantine. I feel like there are ways 503 00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:21,000 Speaker 3: they could have explained it, but instead it feels like 504 00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:23,199 Speaker 3: it's relatively tired. 505 00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:25,720 Speaker 1: I'm also like, I don't like the way that now it's. 506 00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:28,120 Speaker 3: Like Lucas is a traitor and he'll never be able 507 00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:30,879 Speaker 3: to play basketball again, and it's like he's like the 508 00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:33,240 Speaker 3: only black kid on the basketball team. That was an 509 00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:36,280 Speaker 3: interesting plot line last year, Like let's continue that and 510 00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:38,680 Speaker 3: get him a batter haircut. We know it's already been said, 511 00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:42,080 Speaker 3: but it's true. Things that I most want from this 512 00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:45,520 Speaker 3: season I want Eleven. I loved I got that moment. 513 00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:48,880 Speaker 3: I mean I texted the group chat the moment when Eleven. 514 00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:51,720 Speaker 1: Jumps over that bus. I got that feeling. 515 00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:55,040 Speaker 3: I got that little bit of ambling magic that Jean 516 00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:56,959 Speaker 3: Gray learning how to use her powers. 517 00:28:57,040 --> 00:28:58,280 Speaker 1: That exactly what you want. 518 00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:01,360 Speaker 3: The oh wow, that looks like something that couldn't happen. 519 00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:04,920 Speaker 3: It feels real. I want to see Eleven in her powers. 520 00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:08,920 Speaker 3: I can leave Joyce and Hopper behind, which is funny 521 00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:11,240 Speaker 3: because I do think that Joyce, for the first three 522 00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:14,080 Speaker 3: seasons especially, was probably like one of my favorite characters. 523 00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:16,760 Speaker 3: But now, like, let these kids go. These are adults 524 00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:21,040 Speaker 3: like Hopper teachers. You know, Ian mentioned like Hopper treats 525 00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:25,560 Speaker 3: Eleven like she's six, like she's It's even more perturbing 526 00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:27,360 Speaker 3: when you see the way she looks. 527 00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:29,680 Speaker 1: Also, get her a better outfit. What was that training outfit? 528 00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:33,080 Speaker 2: I mean, I think that her outfits have been always terrible. 529 00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:34,040 Speaker 2: Let's just be honest. 530 00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:37,760 Speaker 3: True, it's true. They've never she's never had the good looks. 531 00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:40,240 Speaker 2: She's always looked a mess. I will say that. I 532 00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:43,280 Speaker 2: I here's the things that I think are working, the 533 00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:45,440 Speaker 2: upside down stuff, like the set pieces. I think the 534 00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:49,440 Speaker 2: piece is a great I think the action is actually 535 00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:52,240 Speaker 2: really amazing, like great amazing. 536 00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:56,120 Speaker 1: On the radio, I'm wonderful, Robin. 537 00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:58,280 Speaker 2: On the radio is wonderful. I'm loving all the upside 538 00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:01,280 Speaker 2: down stuff. I would like to say, eleven cut loose 539 00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:05,160 Speaker 2: more like it's cool the training. I agree with you, 540 00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:07,680 Speaker 2: Like when she makes the big jump, I got that. 541 00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:12,680 Speaker 2: Like to me, it was like when Luke uh strangles 542 00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:18,360 Speaker 2: Java's gone right, like oh oh no, like, oh god, 543 00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:22,680 Speaker 2: he's he's figured it out. He's powerful now. But I 544 00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:24,960 Speaker 2: would like to see her use it more. 545 00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:27,360 Speaker 3: I would like to see her David Harper's head with 546 00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:30,760 Speaker 3: that pumpkin power and then no one's gonna be telling 547 00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:32,920 Speaker 3: you what to do. You are literally like a god 548 00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:35,640 Speaker 3: in this world. Just fucking destroy the military, kill the 549 00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:40,960 Speaker 3: demo Gorgan like reimagine what's hawkings in your favor. 550 00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:42,040 Speaker 2: What's working for you? 551 00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:45,479 Speaker 3: I love I love Robyn. I love the radio stuff. 552 00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:48,320 Speaker 3: It's very fun. It's very like pump up the jam. 553 00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:52,960 Speaker 3: It's very Christian, A is very it's so much fun. 554 00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:56,120 Speaker 3: I want I want, let's let Steve be having fun again. 555 00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:58,760 Speaker 3: He's having a bad time this year, but you know what, 556 00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:01,360 Speaker 3: he's always great when he's having fun, when he's protecting 557 00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:01,840 Speaker 3: his crew. 558 00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:04,240 Speaker 1: So I want to see him and Dustin reunite. 559 00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:07,920 Speaker 3: I want to see him and Robin kind of get 560 00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:10,080 Speaker 3: that real banty friendship back. 561 00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:11,800 Speaker 1: I love that Robin and Jackie are together. 562 00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:13,800 Speaker 3: I think something that I did think was really cool 563 00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:18,040 Speaker 3: this episode and felt very like normal and well done 564 00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:23,640 Speaker 3: and real, was the fact that, as has long been speculated, 565 00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:25,520 Speaker 3: that Will is gay, and there's kind of been a 566 00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:27,479 Speaker 3: little bit of talk about it in the last season. 567 00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:31,200 Speaker 3: Will gets Will goes to follow Robin to see if 568 00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:34,760 Speaker 3: she can help him, and he sees her and Jackie kissing, 569 00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:38,560 Speaker 3: and he's so shocked, and they have this great conversation 570 00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:41,280 Speaker 3: about it, where Robin's basically trying to protect herself. But 571 00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:43,240 Speaker 3: I think that we will get to see Will deal 572 00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:45,280 Speaker 3: with these feelings that he has for Mike, and I 573 00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:47,760 Speaker 3: think we might actually get a bit more of a nuanced, 574 00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:51,400 Speaker 3: interesting version of it than I feared we would get. 575 00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:53,480 Speaker 3: I like the idea that there's some kind of older, 576 00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:55,080 Speaker 3: queer person in his life. 577 00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:56,200 Speaker 1: So I think if. 578 00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:59,360 Speaker 3: They can make those character moments hit and sing the 579 00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:02,480 Speaker 3: same way that the set pieces do, because the action 580 00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:04,320 Speaker 3: is good. And I have to say, this is the 581 00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:07,560 Speaker 3: first season where I've thought the Demogrgan looked scary. Other 582 00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:09,520 Speaker 3: times I've been like, yeah, it's a demagogan. He's a 583 00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:13,760 Speaker 3: crazy fantasy creature. But that kind of like really ridged, 584 00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:17,040 Speaker 3: kind of scarred version that could just sort of scoop 585 00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:20,840 Speaker 3: out Karen's guts with its hat. I was like, Okay, 586 00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:23,400 Speaker 3: this thing's actually pretty gnarly, Like, yeah, let the kids 587 00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:24,360 Speaker 3: let loose. 588 00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:26,440 Speaker 1: I would love I love them. 589 00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:28,880 Speaker 3: I love a show where or a TV show or 590 00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:31,440 Speaker 3: a movie where the kids get like shared powers. 591 00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:32,800 Speaker 1: Obviously, we love the X Men. 592 00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:35,840 Speaker 3: Shazam did that really well in the comics and the movies, 593 00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:38,440 Speaker 3: So I definitely feel like I would like to see 594 00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:41,320 Speaker 3: obviously Will highest likelihood of getting a power because he's 595 00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:43,840 Speaker 3: already connected to the upside down. But I feel like 596 00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:46,360 Speaker 3: Holly Wheeler, they're trying to show, Okay, she is connected 597 00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:48,520 Speaker 3: to the upside down. She could end up also being 598 00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:51,600 Speaker 3: a kid who has powers. And I think that ultimately 599 00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:58,240 Speaker 3: we're gonna be in a good situation where the end 600 00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:03,120 Speaker 3: of Stranger Things set up a new generation of kids, 601 00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:07,920 Speaker 3: maybe with powers. Maybe Veckner's family becomes this kind of 602 00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:10,480 Speaker 3: powerful kid. I'm gonna tell you guys, and you know what, 603 00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:12,280 Speaker 3: I know, you guys are gonna be dragging me in 604 00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:14,120 Speaker 3: the discord a dragonbildline. 605 00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:16,640 Speaker 1: But you know what, It's okay, I accept it. 606 00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:20,200 Speaker 3: I like the Lost Daughter episode of Stranger Things season three. 607 00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:22,400 Speaker 3: I've already talked about it, I've written about it. I 608 00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:25,640 Speaker 3: would love to see a little throwback to Eleven's true family, 609 00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:29,560 Speaker 3: to the other kids like her, to a potential some 610 00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:33,760 Speaker 3: kind of power showdown where you get multiple kids and stuff. 611 00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:36,000 Speaker 3: That's just what I like, just what gets me through 612 00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:38,360 Speaker 3: the day. So I would like to see something like that. 613 00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:41,280 Speaker 3: But yeah, I mean, I have to say, I'll give 614 00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:43,760 Speaker 3: them one thing. I don't know where it's going, and 615 00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:46,240 Speaker 3: that's kind of for a show like Stranger Things, so 616 00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:47,000 Speaker 3: I'm gonna give. 617 00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:49,960 Speaker 2: Them no idea where it's going. I am completely confused 618 00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:54,520 Speaker 2: as to what Henry's motivations are. Maybe some sort of 619 00:33:54,640 --> 00:34:00,920 Speaker 2: like like old school like bullying beef. 620 00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:05,040 Speaker 3: I will always say it's really funny because I also 621 00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:08,680 Speaker 3: last night before watch Before you Know, after watching Stranger 622 00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:12,160 Speaker 3: Things again and before recording this, I watched The Chair Company, 623 00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:15,560 Speaker 3: and that finale is just like so insane. 624 00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:20,239 Speaker 5: It's that I can't that I can't kind of like, 625 00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:23,520 Speaker 5: I'm basically just in a situation where I can't stop 626 00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:26,560 Speaker 5: connecting the two things because The Chair Company ends in 627 00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:28,960 Speaker 5: a way that would see Mork into a Stranger Things. 628 00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:31,920 Speaker 3: So I just hope that Stranger Things goes as weird 629 00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:35,000 Speaker 3: and wacky as the chair company is. Let them run loose, 630 00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:39,080 Speaker 3: go crazy, be weird, and hopefully. 631 00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:41,000 Speaker 1: Do some interesting stuff. 632 00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:45,040 Speaker 3: And I'm really excited when we talk about the next 633 00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:47,520 Speaker 3: couple of episodes because we're we're going to be able 634 00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:49,560 Speaker 3: to dig into a bit more of the extraneous law 635 00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:52,319 Speaker 3: that they've built into Stranger Things, is my understanding, and 636 00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:55,279 Speaker 3: I love extra books plays, all that kind of weird 637 00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:57,120 Speaker 3: stuff that adds to it. So I think it's going 638 00:34:57,160 --> 00:35:01,080 Speaker 3: to be a fun, fun conversation. The next episode of 639 00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:04,640 Speaker 3: X ray Vision, we will be diving into episodes three 640 00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:09,640 Speaker 3: and four of Stranger Things season five, and of course news. 641 00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:12,600 Speaker 2: That's it for this episode. Thanks for listening, Bye bye. 642 00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:16,000 Speaker 2: X ray Vision is hosted by Jason Concepcion and Rosie 643 00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:18,080 Speaker 2: Knight and is a production of iHeart Podcast. 644 00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:22,040 Speaker 3: Our executive producers are Joel Monique and Aaron Korfman. 645 00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:24,320 Speaker 2: Our supervising producer is Abu Zafar. 646 00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:28,640 Speaker 3: Our producers are Common Laurent, Dian Jonathan and Bai Wag. 647 00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:31,560 Speaker 2: A theme song is by Brian Vasquez, with alternate theme 648 00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:32,880 Speaker 2: songs by Aaron Kauffman. 649 00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:36,440 Speaker 3: Special thanks to soul Rubin, Chris Lord, Kenny Goodman, and 650 00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:38,280 Speaker 3: Heidi our Discord moderator,