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Speaker 1: From the Berkshars to the sound from wherever you live

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Speaker 1: in MLB America. This is inside the Parker. You give

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Speaker 1: us twenty two minutes and we'll give you the scoop

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Speaker 1: on Major League Baseball. Now here's Baseball Hall of Fame

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Speaker 1: voter number seventy, Rob Parker.

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Speaker 2: Welcome into the podcast. I'm your host, Rob Parker. What

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Speaker 2: a great show we have for you today. My goodness, gracious.

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Speaker 2: We have a Cleveland Guardians catcher Bow Nailer. He stops by,

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Speaker 2: Plus Dave Lennont he's the baseball columnist for Newsday in

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Speaker 2: New York.

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Speaker 3: Plus foul Affair. Let's go.

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Speaker 1: Better to lead off, it's getting robbed and keep them on.

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Speaker 1: Rob's hot take on the three biggest stories in Major

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Speaker 2: Number one. Okay, I'll admit it. No way did I

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Speaker 2: think we would be here. When Aaron Judge had his

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Speaker 2: fifty first home run. I was convinced he was going

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Speaker 2: to break his American League record easily. He was hitting

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Speaker 2: home runs almost every other day. It was outrageous. And

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Speaker 2: coming into Thursday, he is now going fifteen one five

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Speaker 2: fifteen games without a home run, and I'm watching closely.

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Speaker 2: They're throwing the ball by him, all speed stuff, he

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Speaker 2: might not making contact. I mean he was so locked

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Speaker 2: in bat three point thirty three where he was I

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Speaker 2: had never seen a guy that locked in, and now

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Speaker 3: Cold as far as the long ball, and this is baseball.

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Speaker 2: Everything has a way of kind of figuring itself out

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Speaker 2: and going back to aving. Nobody can master hitting or

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Speaker 2: hitting home runs. This game will bring you to your knees.

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Speaker 2: And that's what's happening to Judge. With the number of

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Speaker 3: Again. Before it looked like with just.

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Speaker 2: Needing nine to get there that it would be. It

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Speaker 2: would happen, and it's tough. That's why many guys haven't

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Speaker 2: it'll be interesting to see how Aaron Judge finishes. Can

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Speaker 2: not gonna happen. This stretch is like the second longest

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Speaker 2: for him to go this long. At one point during

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Speaker 2: every seven at bats, seven or eight at bats, which

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Speaker 2: is just mind boggling. And now we've gone more than

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Speaker 2: two weeks without a long ball and Judge number two

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Speaker 2: MLB dot Com, they have it right. The cy Young

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Speaker 2: race is not as sexy as the MVP.

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Speaker 3: It just it just isn't.

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Speaker 2: First of all, in the National League you have Chris

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Speaker 2: there's any debate on him really winning it. And then

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Speaker 2: looking at the numbers, I guess people are trying to say, well,

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Speaker 2: In the American League, Aaron Judge, we believe that the

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Speaker 2: home runs, the RBIs the batting average. Bobby Wood Junior

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Speaker 2: has had a tremendous year. Any other year, Bobby Wood

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Speaker 2: Junior would be the MVP. But Aaron Judge, despite his

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Speaker 2: And pitchers, you know, they're a big part of the game.

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Speaker 2: We respect what they do, but I don't think we

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Speaker 3: I don't think there's a debate, but some people are

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Speaker 2: Should Jacob de Gram and Max Shirs are not not

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Speaker 2: I think if a guy is healthy, you should get

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Speaker 1: Here comes the big interview. Listen and learn. It's so good.

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Speaker 2: Now let's welcome in Bow Naylor, of course catcher with

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Speaker 3: How are you, thanks?

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Speaker 4: For joining us then really, well, I appreciate you having

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Speaker 2: Let's talk about the Guardians and your journey. You guys

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Speaker 2: then those pesky Royals tied you put you guys weather

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Speaker 4: I mean, I feel like, you know, kind of having

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Speaker 5: So you know, I feel like we just.

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Speaker 2: And then you guys went to Kansas City, where it

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Speaker 5: What'd that say about your ball club?

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Speaker 5: You know, we have our head on our shoulders.

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Speaker 4: You know, we understand our goal here at the end,

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Speaker 2: And the division really got competitive. Obviously, we know about

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Speaker 2: about your pitching. How you guys have been able to

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Speaker 4: I think it really just comes out to you know,

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Speaker 5: So you know, I think that the.

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Speaker 5: You know, everything's gonna work out together.

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Speaker 4: So I really I feel like, you know, with the

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Speaker 2: How about Tristan in his last start and triple A

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I feel like that's that's a great sign.

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Speaker 5: So you know, really happy for him. That's my boy.

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Speaker 4: So you know, whenever I see him doing well, you know,

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Speaker 3: How about playing.

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Speaker 2: be cool if you guys could both make the All

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Speaker 1: It was a big week in the big leagues, Who's

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Speaker 3: Gamba Jr.

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Speaker 2: Is it foul or fair to say that Jack Flowerty

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Speaker 3: Entering the posts fair, it's a football.

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Speaker 1: Is black Jack, It's time for the pocket protector centrum.

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Speaker 1: The analytic numbers you need to know.

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Speaker 2: Well, maybe Anthony Masterson is his name, BS analytics is

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Speaker 2: just going to keep battling and go through it. And man,

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Speaker 2: what a season he's turned into. And I know there's

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Speaker 2: a big push for him and the MVP Dave. He's

441
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Speaker 2: he's been unbelievable.

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Speaker 3: He really is.

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Speaker 2: The other night obviously in my in Toronto with being

444
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Speaker 2: no hit a home run to tider game and all that,

445
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Speaker 2: He's had some big hits and home runs, but how

446
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Speaker 2: in the world is he going to beat out shol

447
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Speaker 2: Hoyle Tani if he finishes.

448
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Speaker 3: With fifty to fifty in home runs and stolen bases.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean, I agree with you there, Rob.

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Speaker 9: I mean, listen, you know it hasn't been an easy

451
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Speaker 9: ride for Lindor either. I mean, he's got banged around

452
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Speaker 9: pretty good in New York. You know, signed the three

453
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Speaker 9: hundred and forty one million dollar deal, just huge for shortstop.

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Speaker 9: And you know, he's had slow starts basically every season

455
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Speaker 9: he's been here. This year too, you know, he was

456
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Speaker 9: he got off to a slow first couple of weeks here,

457
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Speaker 9: which you know isn't easy when everything's magnified. But he's

458
00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:15,679
Speaker 9: really turned it around, you know, as far as what

459
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Speaker 9: he's done on the field this year, you know, I'll

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Speaker 9: point out both offensively and defensively, you know, has really

461
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Speaker 9: been worthy of MVP consideration. If he wasn't going up

462
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Speaker 9: against Showy with Tani, who's having it. You know, let's

463
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Speaker 9: face it, an historic offensive year, it's probably a good

464
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Speaker 9: chance Lindor could win this, but Otani has just been

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Speaker 9: otherworldly at this point. I will say Rob that I

466
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Speaker 9: just think it's while Otani is probably gonna win, and

467
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Speaker 9: we're probably talking will he get twenty five out of

468
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Speaker 9: the thirty first place votes? Maybe he'll get all thirty,

469
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Speaker 9: But I really do think, and you're you're a historian

470
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Speaker 9: of the game as well, Rob, I mean a DH,

471
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Speaker 9: a full time DH has never won this award. You know,

472
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Speaker 9: some guys have come close. I think the closest for

473
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Speaker 9: first place votes, David ortizan O five got eleven first

474
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Speaker 9: place votes. That's the most ever by a full time MVP.

475
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Speaker 9: He lost to a Rod that year who had sixteen

476
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Speaker 9: first place votes. And if you go back even further,

477
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Speaker 9: Don Baylor in nineteen seventy nine, he was at DH

478
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Speaker 9: for sixty two of the games that year.

479
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Speaker 8: He was the MVP.

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Speaker 9: I think he played the other I don't know what

481
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Speaker 9: it was. I think maybe a hundred. It probably played

482
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Speaker 9: about ninety or so. He was an outfielder see primarily.

483
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Speaker 9: But you know that's kind of saying something. You know,

484
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Speaker 9: there is a value here in playing both sides of

485
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Speaker 9: the ball, and Lindor doesn't just you know, play defense.

486
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Speaker 9: He plays gold Glove caliber defense at a premium position.

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Speaker 8: So I think I agree with you.

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Speaker 2: I agree with all everything you say. The only reason

489
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Speaker 2: and I understand that DH have never won it. But Dave,

490
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Speaker 2: here's when somebody goes fifty and fifty and has never

491
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Speaker 2: been done I don't know how voters are going to

492
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Speaker 2: act like, you know what I mean, like that doesn't

493
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Speaker 2: matter if he didn't have the fifty stolen bases.

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Speaker 3: I think you have an argument.

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Speaker 9: Right, I mean, and you can't listen, the Dodgers are

496
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Speaker 9: always painted as this kind of juggernaut team too, and

497
00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:24,439
Speaker 9: typically they are. But you know Tani, you know, they

498
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Speaker 9: had to move him to the leadoff spot when Mooki

499
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Speaker 9: went down for a couple of months. You know, with

500
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Speaker 9: his injury, it hasn't been a typical Freddie Freeman year

501
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Speaker 9: for him. You know, he hasn't really been his MVP

502
00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:37,960
Speaker 9: kind of self. Teoscar Hernandez has been great. You know,

503
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Speaker 9: He's been a great acquisition for them. So I think

504
00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:43,760
Speaker 9: they've had to lean on Otani, you know, a lot

505
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Speaker 9: more than typically. So there is value in that. I'm

506
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Speaker 9: not just going to dismiss that he's one of the

507
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Speaker 9: stars on a star Leyden team. He's a stand up guy. Listen,

508
00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:55,880
Speaker 9: that there's no player like sho heey Otani in baseball.

509
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Speaker 9: Right now, I think that argument is settled. You know,

510
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Speaker 9: Rob when he comes back to start pitching again, they're

511
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Speaker 9: just going to have to retire the MVP Award because

512
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Speaker 9: nobody can match up with it anymore. This is the

513
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Speaker 9: one year that Otani's going to be vulnerable, you know,

514
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Speaker 9: as vulnerable as he can be. Even the MVP Lindor

515
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Speaker 9: is going to come awfully close to giving people a consideration.

516
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Speaker 9: But I think you're right. I mean, I think Otani

517
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Speaker 9: is probably in the end gonna wind.

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Speaker 8: Up with it.

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Speaker 2: Our guest is Dave Lennon, of course, baseball columnist at

520
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Speaker 2: Newsday in New York. Let's go to the Bronx and

521
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Speaker 2: the Yankees and talk about a couple things there. Juan

522
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Speaker 2: Soto on Wednesday night hit his fortieth right, doesn't that forty?

523
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Speaker 8: Yeah?

524
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Speaker 3: Fortieth home run?

525
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Speaker 2: A big home run at the time they were down

526
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Speaker 2: a two run shot. This dude has had an unbelievable

527
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Speaker 2: season in New York. The fans there, the Dominican fans

528
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Speaker 2: are crazy in love with this guy. How is he

529
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Speaker 2: not going to get five hundred million from the Yankees?

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Speaker 9: I mean, I'm gonna say, you might have to go

531
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Speaker 9: a little higher up than that. Wow, I mean, I

532
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Speaker 9: really do think that it's going to be the Yankees

533
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Speaker 9: who are going to wind up signing him. I think

534
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Speaker 9: Soto has enjoyed his time here. You know, I think

535
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Speaker 9: there's a prestige playing for the Yankees. I think he

536
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Speaker 9: likes playing with Aaron Judge, you know, I think he

537
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Speaker 9: likes Aaron Boone his manager, although who knows. You know,

538
00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:25,399
Speaker 9: Boote might not be manager here next year depending on

539
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Speaker 9: how the playoffs go for the Yankees. So Soto's a

540
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Speaker 9: Scott Boars client. He's gonna want the most money. You know,

541
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Speaker 9: I think he's crazy if he thinks he's going to

542
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Speaker 9: get anywhere in the neighborhood of his show. Hey, Otani,

543
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Speaker 9: He's not getting seven hundred million, He's not going to

544
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Speaker 9: break the record there. But I think he is getting

545
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Speaker 9: north of five hundred. And I think Rob you know this.

546
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Speaker 9: You know, when the Yankees want somebody, they'll go the

547
00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:52,320
Speaker 9: extra mile to do. They did it for Garret Cole,

548
00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:54,760
Speaker 9: you know, they made it, gave him a record contract.

549
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Speaker 8: They did it for Aaron Judge.

550
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Speaker 9: You know, when they had to keep him, you know,

551
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Speaker 9: they said, what do you what does it take to stay?

552
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:02,159
Speaker 9: I think it's going to be the same thing with Soda.

553
00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:04,840
Speaker 9: It's gonna be like, hey, talk to those other teams

554
00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:06,960
Speaker 9: if you want, but let us know what it's gonna

555
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:09,240
Speaker 9: take to keep you here in New York. And I

556
00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:12,400
Speaker 9: think when push comes to shove, hal Steinbrenner is gonna

557
00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:14,399
Speaker 9: wind up with with you know, when he his checkbook

558
00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:16,439
Speaker 9: and given one soda what he wants to stay in

559
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Speaker 9: the Bronx.

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Speaker 2: Last thing, Dave, the Yankees and pitching. Do they have

561
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Speaker 2: enough to make a run? I mean, I love their

562
00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:29,520
Speaker 2: lineup if everybody's good and healthy, you know, with Jazz,

563
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:34,400
Speaker 2: Chisholm and Sodo and you know John Carlos stan has

564
00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:37,320
Speaker 2: had a lot of postseason home runs. If he's healthy,

565
00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:41,080
Speaker 2: we know judge what he can do potentially as well.

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Speaker 3: But the pitching, do they have enough pitching?

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Speaker 9: Yeah, Robert, it seems strange to say this about a

568
00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:50,520
Speaker 9: Yankee team come playoff time. But the concern with them

569
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Speaker 9: is their bullpen. You know, I think their rotation is

570
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Speaker 9: gonna be fine.

571
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Speaker 2: Holmes, I don't know if they can continue to run

572
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Speaker 2: them out there.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean Garrett Cole has been has been great

574
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Speaker 9: on the front end. I mean not great, but he's

575
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Speaker 9: rounding in the form to being Garret Cole at the

576
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Speaker 9: right time. You know, Radon is pitched much better for them.

577
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Speaker 9: I think you could see a Louis Heel or even

578
00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:13,560
Speaker 9: a Clark Smidt in that third spot. We'll see what

579
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Speaker 9: they want to do with Stroman and Nesta Cortez. But yeah,

580
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Speaker 9: I mean the bullpen you've already seen. But you've already

581
00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:25,720
Speaker 9: seen Holmes lose his spot as closer.

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Speaker 3: I mean he's and rightfully so, I mean you given games.

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Speaker 8: I mean he even blew a save last night and

584
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Speaker 8: he wasn't even closing the game.

585
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:37,040
Speaker 9: Right he blew the save and the seventh inning. So yeah,

586
00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:40,240
Speaker 9: it just Holmes just they can't rely on. You know,

587
00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:42,840
Speaker 9: Luke Weaver has been a guy who they can probably

588
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Speaker 9: go to as closer, but getting the ball to him Rob,

589
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Speaker 9: I think that could be tough for this Yankee bullpen.

590
00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:51,800
Speaker 9: They just, you know, they just don't have the road

591
00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:54,280
Speaker 9: map that we usually see from the Yankees. I mean,

592
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Speaker 9: Brian Cashman didn't have his usual you know, touch and

593
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Speaker 9: putting together a bullpen at the trade deadline or finding

594
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Speaker 9: a reclamation project, you know, to put in that role.

595
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Speaker 9: Aside from Luke Weaver, who's been who kind of fits

596
00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:08,280
Speaker 9: that mold and is excelled. But yeah, the rest of

597
00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:11,040
Speaker 9: these guys they've had, they've had trouble piecing it together.

598
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Speaker 9: And as you know, Rob, if you don't have a

599
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Speaker 9: shutdown bullpen come playoff time, you're not getting where you

600
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Speaker 9: want to go, no.

601
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Speaker 3: Doubt about it. His name is Dave Lennon.

602
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Speaker 2: Check him out at newsday dot com, one of the

603
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:25,800
Speaker 2: best baseball columnsts out there. Dave Man, always appreciate you,

604
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Speaker 2: and we'll see you when the postseason a man.

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Speaker 8: I'll definitely see you, Rob.

606
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Speaker 9: I know you always show up when the bright lights

607
00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:33,760
Speaker 9: come on, so I'll say I'll see it at the ballpark.

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Speaker 1: Now, bring in the closer. Here's why MLB is better

609
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Speaker 1: than the NFL or NBA, and it isn't even close.

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Speaker 2: Reason number four hundred and fifty five why Major League

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Speaker 2: Baseball is better than the NBA and better than the NFL.

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Speaker 2: Kumar Rocker is his name, and he was scheduled to

613
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Speaker 2: make his first major league start for the Texas Rangers

614
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Speaker 2: on Thursday.

615
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Speaker 3: And here's the thing. In baseball, you get to look

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Speaker 3: forward to.

617
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Speaker 2: Someone making their first start being called up to the

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Speaker 2: big leagues.

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Speaker 3: We know football and basketball are different.

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Speaker 2: We get to see those guys in college, so there's

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Speaker 2: not the same anticipation you see them. You know they're

622
00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:29,040
Speaker 2: gonna make it. It's not that many guys baseball. They

623
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 2: draft a ton of players. The rosters are so big

624
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:35,000
Speaker 2: you don't know if a guy is gonna make it.

625
00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:40,640
Speaker 2: And Kumar Rocker was just like you know, the Cats

626
00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:44,400
Speaker 2: meou and then he had an arm injury. He was

627
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Speaker 2: drafted originally by the Mets. They couldn't come up with

628
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Speaker 2: a contract, so he went back into the draft and

629
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:53,640
Speaker 2: the Rangers picked them up. He goes to the minor leagues.

630
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:57,080
Speaker 2: You hope and that the guy can make it. And

631
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Speaker 2: there's something to look forward to if you're a Texas

632
00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:04,160
Speaker 2: Ranger your fan, and that is can this guy who

633
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:08,320
Speaker 2: was electric with his stuff in college finally shake off

634
00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:11,640
Speaker 2: the injuries and become this guy that we thought that

635
00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:15,920
Speaker 2: he could be. And there's an anticipation I really want

636
00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:20,320
Speaker 2: to see, like people were anticipating all schemes in Pittsburgh.

637
00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:22,720
Speaker 2: I mean, he's not on that level as far as

638
00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:27,000
Speaker 2: where he is now, but when he was in college

639
00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:30,400
Speaker 2: he was the Cats. Me how people talked about a

640
00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:32,880
Speaker 2: Rocker and his future and I thought him going to

641
00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:34,760
Speaker 2: New York would have been great. But now we'll get

642
00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:38,920
Speaker 2: to see finally Kumar Rocker making a start in the

643
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Speaker 2: major leagues. In the words of New York TV legend

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Speaker 2: the late Bill Jorgensen, thanking you for your time this

645
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Speaker 2: time until next time.

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Speaker 3: Rob Parker out he can't Davin. This could be an inside.

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Speaker 8: The Parker See you next week, Save that time. Saint

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Speaker 8: Pans Station