Speaker 1: Welcome back to Get Happen here. This is part two
Speaker 1: of our discussion on the oppression Pride fall and they
Speaker 1: kick Get Kick get Pride discourse and the grimmer stuff
Speaker 1: and how they all combine in this really horrifying really
Speaker 1: the way that I wish they didn't because it's pretty frustrating. So, uh,
Speaker 1: last episode I talked towards the end, I talked to
Speaker 1: a decent amount about tender queers um, and I actually
Speaker 1: would like would like to define this term here um
Speaker 1: and kind of get into why these why these people
Speaker 1: are boosting these specific like talking points that are just
Speaker 1: kind of regurgitate old types of homophobic stuff. They claim
Speaker 1: it doesn't, but like it does. You're using this exact
Speaker 1: same logic, you're just kind of reframing it. So tender
Speaker 1: queers are this this the type of like they're kind
Speaker 1: of like an in joke for like the queer community
Speaker 1: of this personality type. Generally, the tender queers are like
Speaker 1: a you know, typically a gen Z or a millennial queer,
Speaker 1: more likely to be like fem, whether that be like
Speaker 1: a woman non binary or fem person lesbians, uh, you know,
Speaker 1: fem bisexuals, pan sexuals, or like queer soft boys kind
Speaker 1: of they feature this like combination of personality designation an aesthetic,
Speaker 1: and they're known for being especially adapt at using like
Speaker 1: watery language of therapy as a means to like get
Speaker 1: out of most things. Um Ever, everything's about like holding
Speaker 1: space and healing and intimacy, and it's like it's wrapped
Speaker 1: up in this like jovial pastel bubbly package. Right. If
Speaker 1: you throw in some astrology some like coturoy overalls, shaved
Speaker 1: heads and round glasses, and you've got yourself like a
Speaker 1: basic tender queer. And a little quote here from an
Speaker 1: author named Daisy Jones from an article that they made
Speaker 1: quote just like the straight soft boy who uses performative
Speaker 1: sensitivity to get away with being a little shit, sometimes
Speaker 1: so do the tender queer. Tender queer generally refers to
Speaker 1: a trope in the queer community of a queer person
Speaker 1: who presents themselves as being sensitive, hyper vocal of their feelings,
Speaker 1: sometimes thought of as prioritizing feelings and hyper intentional language
Speaker 1: over their own harm and privilege. So they kind of
Speaker 1: use like identity politics to avoid accountability. There's like this
Speaker 1: um competitive oppression and self victimization. They center themselves and
Speaker 1: their feelings in social or political movements that aren't necessarily
Speaker 1: about them. They kind of they prioritize in effective methods
Speaker 1: of self care. They utilize like gas lighting and dumping
Speaker 1: the emotional labor of dealing with your own self onto
Speaker 1: onto others. Like tender queers are kind of they're they're
Speaker 1: known to like mask toxicity and manipulativeness in the performative
Speaker 1: language and aesthetics of social justice. They have this like
Speaker 1: performative soft hypersensitivity and use identity politics to kind of
Speaker 1: call out avoid things that make them uncomfortable and will
Speaker 1: like and will publicly declare those things as problematic in
Speaker 1: an attempt to force others to conform with their own will.
Speaker 1: So that's why I describe a lot of these like
Speaker 1: younger younger teens um who who use these talking points
Speaker 1: against against quote unquote kink at pride as tender queers,
Speaker 1: because like they're people who are really sensitive about what
Speaker 1: makes them comfortable, and they avoid any they try to
Speaker 1: avoid or campaign against anything that makes them uncomfortable, and
Speaker 1: they use all these like performative turns of phrase and
Speaker 1: talking points to to avoid having actual discussions about it.
Speaker 1: It's just like weaponization of their marginalized identity as a
Speaker 1: shield to avoid accountability or to deflect against people challenging
Speaker 1: them for abusive behavior or in in the in the
Speaker 1: in like the Pride case, this like internalized homophobia. Uh
Speaker 1: there's there's the these little little tweet exchange for some
Speaker 1: from some people on the superviral keeck a Pride post
Speaker 1: from a month ago. Um, I'm fourteen and I don't
Speaker 1: want to see a half naked person in leather straps
Speaker 1: and a gag and an event. I take my family too.
Speaker 1: And someone replied, like, try glancing Eddie Marty Gras or
Speaker 1: even a public beach before you apply homophobic double standards.
Speaker 1: And then they the poster replied, you think I'm homophobic,
Speaker 1: I'm literally a trans non binary lesbian. So again this
Speaker 1: is this is this is this is what I mean
Speaker 1: when I when I when I talk about title queers. Right,
Speaker 1: there's someone's calling them out for applying this homophobic double
Speaker 1: standard on how they view like public semi unity, right,
Speaker 1: not even like full nunity, just like how they view
Speaker 1: public semi nunity like a bikini or something, right, And
Speaker 1: then they respond by saying, I'm literally a trans done
Speaker 1: binary lesbian UM and then went out to say, also,
Speaker 1: people at those don't wear kinkshit, and it's why I
Speaker 1: don't go to Marty Gras or large public beaches. It
Speaker 1: makes me uncomfortable sing a bunch of adults and kinkshit
Speaker 1: being sexual just physically makes me ill. People at Marty
Speaker 1: Gros on public beaches don't act sexual or wear kinkshit,
Speaker 1: And so like, I feel like you haven't been to
Speaker 1: Marty grass Like you will see way more skinned at
Speaker 1: a public beach. Most kinkshit require like requires covering your
Speaker 1: body and a lot of extra stuff, like if you're
Speaker 1: wearing a harness or like a latex full leather outfit,
Speaker 1: you're like showing way less skin than someone wearing a
Speaker 1: spiedo or a bikini. So maybe you're just uncomfortable with
Speaker 1: people expressing their sexuality, which, in case, don't go to
Speaker 1: Pride because that's what Pride is all about, that's the
Speaker 1: entire poot. But yeah, little the w I'm literally a
Speaker 1: trans non binary lesbian. Like that's like such a perfect
Speaker 1: encapsulation of what the tender queer kind of trope is
Speaker 1: UM and like not not not not many people like
Speaker 1: self self identify as as Tinder queer as it's kind
Speaker 1: of this joe that the more kind of punky queer
Speaker 1: community has kind of it's like an we're putting a
Speaker 1: label on this, this behavioral trend that we've observed, and
Speaker 1: it's it's kind of a joke, right, I'm not trying
Speaker 1: to call out specific people. I'm not. If you're soft
Speaker 1: and emotional sensitive, cool whatever, do whatever you want. I'm fine,
Speaker 1: Just don't don't use these things as a shield to
Speaker 1: justify forcing your will onto other people. It's cool to
Speaker 1: not It's totally fine to like not like people being
Speaker 1: publicly affectionate or like doing public like It's perfectly fine
Speaker 1: to be uncomfortable with that. It's perfectly like. That doesn't
Speaker 1: mean anything bad. It doesn't mean you're a prude, it
Speaker 1: doesn't mean there's anything wrong with you. But like, there's
Speaker 1: nothing wrong with people wanting to be public with that
Speaker 1: at a public event, celebrating the fact that it's they
Speaker 1: are now less oppressed for doing that thing, like yeah,
Speaker 1: or a beach or Mardi Gras, and like, make sure
Speaker 1: you're cognizant if you're engaging in any kind of like
Speaker 1: socially normalized ideas of like straight stuff is inherently less
Speaker 1: sexual than gay stuff, right, I always, I mean I
Speaker 1: advocate people being able to like get into their own
Speaker 1: head and figure out why they think certain things like this.
Speaker 1: It's it's this idea of meta thoughts, trying trying to
Speaker 1: think about why you think about things. Um So, if
Speaker 1: you if you're if you're more uncomfortable with two men kissing,
Speaker 1: then you are with than one man and a woman kissing,
Speaker 1: you should think about that. You should be like even
Speaker 1: even as like even as a trans non buyinary lesbian,
Speaker 1: if you if you if if you're more if you're
Speaker 1: more uncomfortable looking at two men kiss you should think
Speaker 1: about why, why, what social conditioning has caused this to happen?
Speaker 1: Because that's something that people have been pushing for a
Speaker 1: long time, is that, yeah, gay stuff is like more
Speaker 1: adult or more mature than queer stuff. I think that's
Speaker 1: a big part of of of these types of things
Speaker 1: being at prized like pushing back on that idea. Um So,
Speaker 1: like I think and the reason why we see more
Speaker 1: of these now is like there are these baby tender
Speaker 1: queers who grew up in a world where you were
Speaker 1: less likely to get fucking assaulted for being gay while
Speaker 1: also growing up on the Internet in the age of
Speaker 1: tumbler and Instagram. Right, these kids were able to construct
Speaker 1: their own comfortable, safe, bubbled versions of reality online, only
Speaker 1: being exposed to what they want when they want, right
Speaker 1: they get they get to only view it things that
Speaker 1: they find esthetically pleasing, and the pandemic certainly heightened this
Speaker 1: right with people being forced to solely exist in their
Speaker 1: self catered online worlds. So now with the outside world
Speaker 1: opening up, some of these soft baby tender queers are
Speaker 1: going through puberty and are dealing with their quote unquote
Speaker 1: uncomfy feelings UM and the added notion of being exposed
Speaker 1: to things that you have specifically not sought out like
Speaker 1: that that causes them to be uncomfortable. Right, if if
Speaker 1: you're if you're if you're a FEMI person who has
Speaker 1: just attracted to other FEMI people, having to having to
Speaker 1: look at dudes be affection It may not be your
Speaker 1: cup of tea, but and who may not like enjoy it,
Speaker 1: But that's like, it's just as queer as you are,
Speaker 1: So if you shouldn't. You can't prioritize your queerness over
Speaker 1: somebody else's UM. It's it's, it's it's it's. It's like
Speaker 1: there's this collection of baby gates that gets uncomfortable being
Speaker 1: reminded that people like especially people whom they are not
Speaker 1: personally attracted to, have sex. It's like if they're reminded
Speaker 1: that this happens and they don't like it. Um, it's
Speaker 1: like it feels like they have this sort of like
Speaker 1: anxiety just about about just looking at something that they
Speaker 1: perceive as sexual in nature. Right, and for this, for them,
Speaker 1: this includes other but two differently queer people wearing leather
Speaker 1: or being semi nude, like dudes being shirtless or women
Speaker 1: being shirtless. For like, I think that that's a whole
Speaker 1: other double standard that should be uh pushed back upon. Um.
Speaker 1: But like again, it's pride. It's not any more naked
Speaker 1: than people at the beach. Uh, So you're not. It's not.
Speaker 1: Actually if they're very selective in the types of things
Speaker 1: that they that they will that they will focus on.
Speaker 1: And it plays into this notion that's used by all
Speaker 1: like anti gay legislation, that gayness is inherently more sexual
Speaker 1: than being straight. Right, It's it's it's it's more sexual,
Speaker 1: it's more mature. It's more adult, uh because for a
Speaker 1: long time, being gay was exclusively seen as like a
Speaker 1: hyper sexual, deving act um, And now, especially among gen
Speaker 1: Z baby queers, being queer is now less tied to
Speaker 1: specifically the act of sex. Right. Queerness is much more
Speaker 1: of an like an overarching personal identity now, especially as
Speaker 1: like as an intersex with like gender and stuff, right,
Speaker 1: you know, whether that being on binary or this other
Speaker 1: stuff like pan sexual, bisexual, what have you. But to
Speaker 1: kind of circle back to the Kinker Pride stuff, people
Speaker 1: want us dead for being queer. Uh, it doesn't mad
Speaker 1: if someone's parading around in a collar. If you're uncomfortable,
Speaker 1: you should maybe learned to fight, actually fight back into
Speaker 1: people who actually want to kill you. Like Pride was
Speaker 1: a riot, you should you should sort out your uncomfy
Speaker 1: feelings elsewhere or director or director uncomfy feelings that the
Speaker 1: people attacking us. So maybe maybe don't prop up kin
Speaker 1: get Pride discourse when accusations of queer people being all
Speaker 1: groomers is that is at an all time high and
Speaker 1: there's fascists organizing to like shoot us at Pride marches,
Speaker 1: So maybe consider that before you do discourse on Twitter
Speaker 1: dot com. I'm I'm gonna do one little quote and
Speaker 1: then we will have an ad break. Just gonna end
Speaker 1: this section with a quote from them dot com again. Quote. Kinks,
Speaker 1: sex and protests are all inherent parts of Pride. One
Speaker 1: of the core tenets of Pride is liberation and working
Speaker 1: against cultural shaming. Calling to quote not perform your kinks
Speaker 1: and fetishes at Pride because some miners are there and
Speaker 1: King can quote sexualize the event unquote uh implies that
Speaker 1: celebrating sexuality and kink is openly bad, and normalizing these
Speaker 1: things should be a goal of Pride. B D s
Speaker 1: M subversus sexuality and leather culture have enjoyed a long
Speaker 1: history within lgbt Q rights movement, and such public space
Speaker 1: of sexuality are driven by much more than libido or
Speaker 1: countercultural impulses. They're an inherent expression of queer culture and
Speaker 1: queer sexuality, and as such deserve a place at Pride
Speaker 1: as much as anything else. Okay, and now it's time
Speaker 1: to actually get into what the title of these episodes
Speaker 1: is about. Uh, the operation Pride fell stuff. We're gonna
Speaker 1: talk about this thing that sucks. Um. So, whether you're
Speaker 1: looking at the conservative groom or discourse or the tender
Speaker 1: Queer can Get Pride discourse. You'll see a lot of
Speaker 1: the same logic as well as a lot of the
Speaker 1: same photos. We've We've talked a lot about memes on
Speaker 1: the show, and I'm not gonna get I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: get into like the powder memes very much right now,
Speaker 1: but suffice to say that like a picture can stick
Speaker 1: in your head a lot easier than a bunch of
Speaker 1: words can. Um and throughout the groomware and kick it
Speaker 1: pride shit. There are a few select photos that people
Speaker 1: use to demonstrate their opinions on how gay people are
Speaker 1: a threat to children. Um. Either either there's just pictures
Speaker 1: of adults and like kink associated garb, usually like full
Speaker 1: latex body suits or pup masks UM or UH. And
Speaker 1: there's the specifically like uh. There's these two specific pictures
Speaker 1: of kids just like standing next to adults who are
Speaker 1: wearing pop masks that get used a lot. There's also
Speaker 1: there's also a lot of pictures of like drag queen
Speaker 1: story time and whenever whenever I see any of these
Speaker 1: very specific pictures, I flashed back to when I first
Speaker 1: came across the original Operation Pridefall four Chune thread back
Speaker 1: in because these are actually all of all of the
Speaker 1: exact same pictures, um so. Operation Pride Fall was a
Speaker 1: cyber harassment campaign started on Fourtune targeting the degeneracy of
Speaker 1: the LGBTQ community by attempting to sway public opinion against
Speaker 1: queer people by linking being gay to grooming and pedophilia,
Speaker 1: so checking back in oh boy, oh boy, has has
Speaker 1: things happened? So? Initially organized on four Chune, discord and
Speaker 1: telegram right before Pride Month, the campaign set out targets
Speaker 1: and methods to flood the social media platforms of gay venues,
Speaker 1: Pride sponsors, and LGBTQ people or supporters with spam, anti
Speaker 1: game memes and media, usually photos intended to imply a
Speaker 1: link between being openly queer and the grooming of children
Speaker 1: uh and operating online under the banner of Operation Pride Fall.
Speaker 1: The campaign started on May ten, when an anonymous four
Speaker 1: champ poster posted a thread on poll outlining Operation Pride Fall,
Speaker 1: which was pitching it as a crowdsourced campaign aimed at
Speaker 1: damaging the LGBTQ community during the month of June. The
Speaker 1: plan centered around quote unquote red pilling users in the
Speaker 1: commons sections of companies that support l l g B
Speaker 1: t Q causes on social media. The four Chum post
Speaker 1: read quote every June, hundreds of massive corporations banned together
Speaker 1: to smother social media in posts in flavor of Pride Month,
Speaker 1: a code word for the degeneracy that is LGBT activism.
Speaker 1: Many of these accounts are rather small and get very
Speaker 1: little engagement, yet they continue to post without backlashed beginning
Speaker 1: on June one. The goal of Operation Pride Fall is
Speaker 1: to get on Twitter, Instagram, etcetera, and drop a ship
Speaker 1: ton of disturbing red pills on homosexuality on the comments
Speaker 1: of the lesser known pages. The bigger pages are okay targets,
Speaker 1: but posts tend to get unnoticed in the sea of
Speaker 1: other comments. Commenting on smaller pages, ones with less than
Speaker 1: one hundred likes and so means anyone who've used it
Speaker 1: will see the posts, and companies will reconsider their pro
Speaker 1: pride posts afterwards. Unquote. So if you scroll through the
Speaker 1: archived initial like Pride Fall thread, you'll see a crowdsourced
Speaker 1: collect of pictures that they intended to flood the internet with.
Speaker 1: Under in the comment section of posts, discussing Pride or
Speaker 1: discussing LGBTQ activism or whatever. Um. So in this, in
Speaker 1: this like crowdsourced collection of photos, we see a lot
Speaker 1: of drag queen storytime stuff. But many of these pictures
Speaker 1: and memes are now the same ones used both in
Speaker 1: the recent Groomer thing and in the past two years
Speaker 1: of kink Get Pride discourse. It's it's the exact it's
Speaker 1: the exact same photos. Um It's there's like, there's there's
Speaker 1: hundreds of them. There's hundreds of of photos of like
Speaker 1: you know, people in pop masks whatever, like waving waving
Speaker 1: Pride flags. It's it's just there's a lot. There's a
Speaker 1: lot of them, and the specific ones get used for
Speaker 1: so much of the Groomer ship. Uh. And they really
Speaker 1: started to gain much more visibility during after the Operation
Speaker 1: Pride Fall thing got launched. The Opertion Pride Fall of
Speaker 1: four tun' thread also instructed users and how to set
Speaker 1: up a fake phone numbers, to make burner accounts to
Speaker 1: to comment on these on these social media pages. Um
Speaker 1: There's another really interesting part that the Operation Pride Fall
Speaker 1: planning stuff detailed was on on on discord on the opertion,
Speaker 1: pride fall servers and channels. The users were planning to
Speaker 1: repurpose cringe e TikTok videos while relabeling them with anti
Speaker 1: lgbt Q captions and hashtags. Uh, here's a here's a
Speaker 1: quote from there, from their from their planning planning discord.
Speaker 1: An additional idea, we can read pool zoomers on TikTok
Speaker 1: and literally build a fucking puppet army to funk the
Speaker 1: ship out of millennials. We should expand this operation to
Speaker 1: as many social media outlets as possible in order to
Speaker 1: maximize effort. Let's operate like this on TikTok, convince any
Speaker 1: gen z sibling or relatives to do some kind of
Speaker 1: shitty jester charade slash horror dance, and then add lgbt
Speaker 1: Q critical captions on top of it and repost it
Speaker 1: under trending hashtags. So you see elements of this exact
Speaker 1: strategy mirrored one year later in lives of TikTok by
Speaker 1: getting videos of people being I don't know kids and
Speaker 1: like kind of cringe because kids are kind of cringe e,
Speaker 1: but videos of kids on TikTok and mischaracterizing you know,
Speaker 1: TikTok videos and adding adding lgbt Q talking points on
Speaker 1: top of them, uh, to sway the public opinion of
Speaker 1: queer people. It's the It's the exact same strategy as
Speaker 1: as a similar idea was also implemented alongside setting up
Speaker 1: fake dating app profiles do not only spread their anti
Speaker 1: gay kind of grooming memes, but also to farm vital
Speaker 1: content by catfishing gay people and getting them to like
Speaker 1: be an embarrassing interactions. Uh. Another quote on Tinder, Bumble
Speaker 1: and Grinder set up freak profiles with legit convincing images
Speaker 1: and descriptions that criticized lgbt So it's this, it's trying
Speaker 1: to catfish queer people and like, then I guess span
Speaker 1: them with pictures of these like grooming memes, um, and
Speaker 1: see what their reaction is then post it. Right. It's
Speaker 1: so the whole Operation Pride Fall strategy might appear pretty simple, Right,
Speaker 1: it's like basically glorified ship posting, setting up a bunch
Speaker 1: of fakes accounts and demonizing queer people in the common
Speaker 1: section of small corporations and influencers. There definitely is a
Speaker 1: lot more to it than that, right, There was there
Speaker 1: was this element of like planned escalation starting off first
Speaker 1: as like appearing as reasonable commenters, right, acting in very
Speaker 1: good faith, just as somebody concerned by kids being exposed
Speaker 1: to to sexual materials would, whether that be you know,
Speaker 1: people in drag at a library reading books or people
Speaker 1: at a Pride parade. Right. So instead of immediately going
Speaker 1: on like full gay bashing, uh, saying that we should
Speaker 1: you know, kill all deviant trans people, which a lot
Speaker 1: of conservative comment hitters just say now, like Alijah Schaeffer
Speaker 1: who just posts memes about wanting to kill trans kids. Um.
Speaker 1: These these these board fascists, unfortune tried to coordinate a slow,
Speaker 1: more insidious approach, which they would hope would just gradually
Speaker 1: turn the tide of public opinion against queer people. Here's
Speaker 1: a Here's the snippet from one of the Pride Fall
Speaker 1: organizing chats. Quote, keep it normal, palatable, and friendly. This
Speaker 1: means no Nazi or Hitler ship. The goal is to
Speaker 1: make them question whether what they're supporting is really the
Speaker 1: right thing. So as as as Pride Months progressed the
Speaker 1: the the Pride Fall participants coordinated on four chane discord
Speaker 1: and telegram to slowly increase the frequency and intensity of
Speaker 1: the campaign another quote from the organizing chat quote, think
Speaker 1: about it as waves day one is simply questioning homosexuality,
Speaker 1: and then as the days goes on, it will get
Speaker 1: worse and worse until the end of Pride Month. So uh.
Speaker 1: In terms of physical things that actually had UH, I
Speaker 1: believe opportion Pride Fall resulted in a few gay events
Speaker 1: getting shut down. There was like this event and I
Speaker 1: think it was it was like a like at a
Speaker 1: queer nightclub in the UK that that got shut down.
Speaker 1: There was a few other like like obviously like material
Speaker 1: results that that they had by doing this harassment campaign
Speaker 1: against venues and corporations. But I think they's they were
Speaker 1: more successful in first of all, spreading specific memetic images
Speaker 1: that are now commonly used in their grooming stuff and
Speaker 1: in the kink of Pride stuff some some of which
Speaker 1: these images were not really used in discourse before but
Speaker 1: now are commonplace. I think that that's really where more
Speaker 1: of this idea succeeded. So over the course of the month,
Speaker 1: they will want to get more regular people to start
Speaker 1: associating members at the LGBTQ community with pedophilia. And in
Speaker 1: order to do that, the way they see it is
Speaker 1: by just gradually shifting this discussion. Uh, and then as
Speaker 1: public opinion altars, they hope that brands will distance themselves
Speaker 1: from the LGBTQ community and stop doing more more pride shit.
Speaker 1: Um right, It's like that was that was another big
Speaker 1: part of what their intention was. And they may not
Speaker 1: have done all that stuff immediately, Like they may not
Speaker 1: may not succeeded in that, but they definitely did succeed
Speaker 1: in the prevalence of the images that they were trying
Speaker 1: to intentionally spread, because that absolutely has happened. Do you
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Speaker 1: we are we are back. Wasn't wasn't it fun reading
Speaker 1: about Operation Pridefall? Didn't that just bring bring joy to
Speaker 1: your ears? Too? Yeah? So, as we mentioned, a big
Speaker 1: part of their attempts to sway public opinion, it's by
Speaker 1: spamming photos and memes that attempted to showcase just how
Speaker 1: dangerous gay people are to children, Whether that be drag
Speaker 1: queens doing story time at the library, photos of of
Speaker 1: gay people doing quote unquote kin get Pride. Um. You know,
Speaker 1: basically basically they're trying to say, how could any reasonable
Speaker 1: person or corporation support pride? It's essentially a grooming parade,
Speaker 1: right that that's the that's the thing that they were
Speaker 1: trying to implant. And one of the things that Oppertion
Speaker 1: Pridefel was successful in was popularizing a few of these
Speaker 1: can get Pride photos, many of which were then subsequently
Speaker 1: used last year during can Get Pride discourse um and
Speaker 1: used this year as well, uh, most mostly by some
Speaker 1: some like anti sex people on the left, um, and
Speaker 1: some of these young tender queers. Uh. And you know
Speaker 1: that this this the same photos are used in grooming
Speaker 1: stuff and in Pride fall stuff and and can Get
Speaker 1: Pride stuff, because it's the same based psychology at play, right,
Speaker 1: the idea that sexuality in a queer sense is dangerous
Speaker 1: and way more deviant than sexuality in a heterosexual context. Right,
Speaker 1: like straight people kissing is rated, gay gay people kissing
Speaker 1: is rated PG or PG thirteen. Uh, it's it's it's
Speaker 1: that idea, but accelerate it another correlation between the openly
Speaker 1: homophobic grimmer talking points and like the tender queer stuff
Speaker 1: is this is this idea that I'm only comfortable seeing
Speaker 1: expressions of sexuality that I can relate to or also
Speaker 1: find attractive. And another interesting thing about a lot of
Speaker 1: these photos is that a lot of these photos that
Speaker 1: they use aren't actually photos of Pride. A lot of
Speaker 1: a lot of the photos that they use are actually
Speaker 1: from the Fulsome Street Fair, which is like a kink festival.
Speaker 1: It takes place in San Francisco every year. Hard to
Speaker 1: exaggerate how horny the Fulsome Street farrist. So it's very horny.
Speaker 1: But also, obviously because gay people have sex, gay people
Speaker 1: also exist in the Fulsome Street Fair. Um, they may
Speaker 1: even wave a Pride flag. Shocking. Um. So a lot
Speaker 1: of these photos that that that they use in the
Speaker 1: grooming stuff and then they can get Pride stuff are
Speaker 1: actually from the Fulsome Street Fair. There are actually photos
Speaker 1: of Pride parades, of it's and it's it's and of
Speaker 1: course anyone who has been to Pride we kind of
Speaker 1: know that because Pride is not like the Fulsome Street Fair.
Speaker 1: They are very different to vets. And that's another an
Speaker 1: indicator of how a lot of these people who prop
Speaker 1: up this discourse online have never been to Pride either,
Speaker 1: because they're sharing photos at the fulsome street Fair and
Speaker 1: saying it's Pride. Um obviously, lots of these Nazias on fourtune,
Speaker 1: I've never been to the Folsome Street Fair or Pride. Uh.
Speaker 1: But they they also share these same photos because hey,
Speaker 1: it's it's people who look gay doing sexual things in public.
Speaker 1: That means it's at Pride and it's a danger to children,
Speaker 1: even though a lot of them are actually at the
Speaker 1: fulsome street Fair. Um So if then, if if you're
Speaker 1: a queer person and you're reposting these fulsome street Fair
Speaker 1: pick years and claiming to be from and claiming that
Speaker 1: they're from a Pride parade, uh to bash like kinker
Speaker 1: Pride stuff. Uh reconsider that because you're basically just doing
Speaker 1: the work that neo Nazis wants to do. Uh. Just
Speaker 1: you're just doing it on your own time, right Like
Speaker 1: it's you're repurposing the exact same photos that they were
Speaker 1: that they were putting out there within this context and
Speaker 1: just not even not even knowing where these where these
Speaker 1: where these pictures are from? Um so stop stop that
Speaker 1: I can consider not if if you have to, like
Speaker 1: if you're gonna go to all of this work to
Speaker 1: denounce queer people for like existing, maybe you should consider
Speaker 1: why you're doing that, because wow, that's that sucks. Because
Speaker 1: calling the fulsome street fair a pride parade and then
Speaker 1: demonizing it because then then and then and then demonizing
Speaker 1: pride because there's people who act like pretty kinky is
Speaker 1: not not great because that's not what anything is happening.
Speaker 1: You're none of none, none of that is accurate. So
Speaker 1: that's it's really frustrating to look at to look at
Speaker 1: all of all of the ways these things, these things combined,
Speaker 1: because you get you get intender queers sharing fulsome street
Speaker 1: fair pictures, you get conservative politicians sharing them all calling
Speaker 1: them pride stuff. To begin, like, a lot of the
Speaker 1: stuff you see there isn't even like a lot of
Speaker 1: them isn't like a lot of pictures don't even have
Speaker 1: like full nudity. Um, So that's not necessarily like, it's
Speaker 1: not it's not even super important, but it's you're conflating
Speaker 1: these these things in a really disingenuous way, and you're
Speaker 1: just repeating the exact same things that Nazis have been
Speaker 1: trying to get you to repeat for years, and you
Speaker 1: should consider why that happens. So all of the grimming
Speaker 1: stuff obviously has gotten has gotten worse in the in
Speaker 1: the past few months. Uh definitely definitely ballooned around the
Speaker 1: around the don't say gay bill, and this got tied
Speaker 1: into a whole bunch of stuff happening in Florida with
Speaker 1: the Disney Core operation, and a lot of the grooming
Speaker 1: stuff got tied to conservatives attacking Disney now um and
Speaker 1: calling Disney a grooming organization. We've had We've had far
Speaker 1: right candidates show up in front of in front of
Speaker 1: Disney World to do protests. We've had Nazis show up
Speaker 1: in front of Disney World to do protests. You've seen
Speaker 1: a lot of mega people show up at Disney World
Speaker 1: to do protests, UM, all against Disney's grooming of children
Speaker 1: by including anything not street in any of their materials,
Speaker 1: which has already like so little um, which is also
Speaker 1: extremely funny of like imagining you bring Walt Disney, Disney
Speaker 1: come on like it's all on the same side here,
Speaker 1: like yeah, and like I don't know, like do you,
Speaker 1: I don't know if I really actually think that, like
Speaker 1: do you do all these all these people actually think
Speaker 1: that millions of teachers, democrats at corporate entertainment creators are
Speaker 1: all complicit and it's in a long term planning of
Speaker 1: like to to sexually groom miners. Some some might believe that, right,
Speaker 1: that that kind of that kind of overlaps with some
Speaker 1: to and on stuff in the paranoia around like child trafficking.
Speaker 1: But I think others understand that they're kind of being
Speaker 1: hyperbolic and they're being inflammatory to get people angry and
Speaker 1: to get people like very very like active in their
Speaker 1: in their hatred of gay people. Right. They needs to
Speaker 1: old school homophobia kind of became a bad look. They
Speaker 1: need to find a new way to rebrand it. And
Speaker 1: now it's with this groom or stuff and like a
Speaker 1: gay teachers, trans teachers, right, gender identity stuff, right, a
Speaker 1: lot of it is now wrapped up in like trans issues. Um.
Speaker 1: But I I want to read this quote by a
Speaker 1: right wing writer named Rod Dreer. It was it was,
Speaker 1: it was. It was cited in the Atlantic, and I
Speaker 1: think it's actually a really good look at how the
Speaker 1: people who are some art on the right, um, how
Speaker 1: that they are intentionally using this grooming label. Quote about
Speaker 1: the term groomers, it's usually used to describe pedophiles who
Speaker 1: are preparing innocent kids for sexual exploitation. I think it
Speaker 1: is coming to have a somewhat broader meaning an adult
Speaker 1: who wants to separate children from a normative sexual and
Speaker 1: gender identity, to inspire confusion in them and to turn
Speaker 1: them against their parents and all the normative traditions and
Speaker 1: institutions in society. It may not be specifically to groom
Speaker 1: them for sexual activity, but it is certainly to groom
Speaker 1: them to take them on a sexual slash gender identity
Speaker 1: at odds with the norm which really I think that
Speaker 1: that quote, that quote really showcases what's going on in
Speaker 1: their brains there. Yeah, well, and this is something I
Speaker 1: think like Drare, like Rob Drey in particular, doing this,
Speaker 1: I think it is a really bad sign because there's
Speaker 1: people who don't know who Rob Drere is. He's like
Speaker 1: a weirdo Catholic guy. He's been like a right wing
Speaker 1: like Catholic. I think he's a writing Catholics calumnist for
Speaker 1: a long time, and like you know, if you go
Speaker 1: back to like seventeen, his big thing was his whope
Speaker 1: was a thing called the benedict adoption, which was basically like, okay,
Speaker 1: so like secular society has become corrupted, like Christians should
Speaker 1: just pull out of it, right and go live with
Speaker 1: their own communities that can be sort of like like
Speaker 1: you know, if we we like we we we we've
Speaker 1: we've lost this world. We have to like create a
Speaker 1: new world which we can live around and sort of
Speaker 1: like Christian truth or whatever. And he he was in
Speaker 1: this long running kind of like battle with a sort
Speaker 1: of like I guess like openly philangious kind of like
Speaker 1: openly fascists. I mean that quite openly fascist, but like
Speaker 1: people people who are reading uh like what's his name, uh,
Speaker 1: people who are reading Schmidt, and like the Nazi lawyers
Speaker 1: who were like, okay, well we you know, instead of
Speaker 1: as opposed to this thing of like we're Catholics, we're
Speaker 1: gonna pull back from the world, their thing was we're
Speaker 1: going to use We're going to use like the states
Speaker 1: to enforce Christian doctrine. And Drere had sort of like
Speaker 1: fought that. And the fact that Drere is now just
Speaker 1: full on in this grooming ship right that is really
Speaker 1: bad yep. And and looking again. And you know, even
Speaker 1: if you want to go back into history, right, like,
Speaker 1: this is this is the kind of flip that happened
Speaker 1: that brought the evangelicals into the political scene. Right, Like,
Speaker 1: you have this flip from like people being like while
Speaker 1: the raptures coming insidees and peers who are not gonna
Speaker 1: become be politically engaged too. Oh hey, look we can
Speaker 1: use the state to just like destroyer political enemies and
Speaker 1: create the kingdom of heaven on earth. And yeah, this
Speaker 1: is this is not good. This is yeah. But I
Speaker 1: think specifically that quotes a really good insight the smart
Speaker 1: conservatives who know what they're doing, Like they know it's
Speaker 1: not actual grooming, but it's if they can if they
Speaker 1: can use that word within the context of being like,
Speaker 1: it's about getting it's about getting kids to adopt a
Speaker 1: non normative sexual identity. Again, it's like non normative. Right,
Speaker 1: It's it's confusion in them turning them against the institutions
Speaker 1: in society. Right, all of all of these things that
Speaker 1: is that is mirrored across lots of the groomy discourse,
Speaker 1: the kinker pride discourse, all this kind of stuff. It's
Speaker 1: it's it's the same it's the same thing. It's like
Speaker 1: a non normative sexuality is more sexual than a normative sexuality.
Speaker 1: It's this whole idea, man. And it's not great because
Speaker 1: it's not gonna stop with kids either. Uh, it's not
Speaker 1: gonna we we I talked with I've talked with this
Speaker 1: a lot. How how once they ban you know, trans
Speaker 1: health care for miners, they're gonna bump it up to
Speaker 1: then they're gonna bump it up to no one has
Speaker 1: it at all. And I have, I got I got
Speaker 1: an update on that front. Um. So, first of all,
Speaker 1: for a recent legislation, there's the Alabama Felony Healthcare Band
Speaker 1: for TRANSUTH which forcibly detransitions teams across the state. UM.
Speaker 1: That that that that that that's gonna enacted. And in
Speaker 1: Missouri there's a similar bill in the works, officially titled
Speaker 1: the Save Adolescents from Experimentation Act um. And it applies
Speaker 1: to into individuals younger than nineteen years old. UM and
Speaker 1: it would it would inhibit Missouri UH physicians and healthcare
Speaker 1: providers and prevent them from providing gender affirming healthcare to patients.
Speaker 1: And it turns out Missouri la Is lawmakers a few
Speaker 1: weeks ago, we're debating the bill seeking to restrict access
Speaker 1: to gender firm and care for miners and and they
Speaker 1: also suggested that access to medical interventions like hormones be
Speaker 1: withheld from transgender and non binary individuals until at least
Speaker 1: their twenty fifth birthday. During public in Missouri's for House
Speaker 1: Bill to six four nine, Lorie Haynes, a psychologist, testified
Speaker 1: that she believes young adults under the age of twenty
Speaker 1: five are unable to fully comprehend the dramatic and drastic
Speaker 1: and irreparable changes their body will go under they receive
Speaker 1: gender affirming medical treatments like community blockers or hormone therapies.
Speaker 1: Hayes also said that she's supported getting conversion therapy for
Speaker 1: trans kids. Yeah, I'll bet she thinks that eighteen year
Speaker 1: old should be able to buy at join the military,
Speaker 1: join the So it's already happening. We already have lawmakers
Speaker 1: and we have psychologists being brought into testify that this
Speaker 1: is the case. People they want that this is going
Speaker 1: to be the next thing. They want this to happen.
Speaker 1: Um now, I'm just gonna say, obviously, uh recent study
Speaker 1: published in the Journal of America in the Journal of
Speaker 1: the American Medical Association found that receiving gender affirming care
Speaker 1: including beauty blockers and hormones between the ages thirteen and
Speaker 1: twenty associated with six lower odds of moderate or severe
Speaker 1: depression and seventy three lower are odds of suicidality. Another
Speaker 1: study published late last year by the Trevor Project found
Speaker 1: that among transgender and non binary miners, hormone therapy was
Speaker 1: associated with nearly lower odds of recent Russian or a
Speaker 1: suicide attempt over the last year, and a lot of
Speaker 1: the effects of permonty blockers and even hormonal placement therapy
Speaker 1: actually are reversible and are not damaging. Um so, I mean,
Speaker 1: but we we all know that there's that horrible uh
Speaker 1: Matt Walsh trans documentary coming out soon. Yeah, yeah, and
Speaker 1: you definitely I know. In the trailer, he says that, uh,
Speaker 1: one of the drugs used to give puberty blockers to
Speaker 1: miners is also used as a chemical castration for sexual
Speaker 1: assault perpetrators, uh, which is kind of true. But it's
Speaker 1: castration in the sense that you need to take the
Speaker 1: drug always for its to work. It's like it's a
Speaker 1: hormone blocker. It stops sasterone from from being produced. If
Speaker 1: you go off of it, it's gonna happen again. It's
Speaker 1: not a permanent castration. It's gonna suppress testosterone. You know,
Speaker 1: a popular medication for people with heart problems is also
Speaker 1: a highly explosive compound. Oh no, can be used in
Speaker 1: different ways. It's yeah, like like cancer victims are found
Speaker 1: with dihydrogen mono oxide in their system. Like so, but yeah, anyway,
Speaker 1: we're gonna see a lot of We're gonna see a
Speaker 1: lot of lives about HRT coming up soon because that
Speaker 1: this Matt Walsh talking about it is going to be stupid.
Speaker 1: But again he doesn't understand the science. Obviously he's a propagantist. Um.
Speaker 1: But the last thing I want to talk about, here's
Speaker 1: what's gonna be happening in cort aline idaho. Um So,
Speaker 1: taking taking their cue from the I'm gonna be I'm quoting,
Speaker 1: I'm going to quote an article here by by Daily Costs. Uh.
Speaker 1: They did a really a really really good write up.
Speaker 1: David Newars wrote it. David David NewART for the record,
Speaker 1: Like the thing that he has been this beat that
Speaker 1: that we're in, like writing about these people, David's been
Speaker 1: doing it for like thirty years. He's he's amazing, He's incredible.
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna I'm gonna quote from him here. This
Speaker 1: is the last thing we'll We'll close with um taking
Speaker 1: a queue from the incoming tide of far right fearmongering
Speaker 1: about grooming and an lgbt Q agenda in schools and libraries.
Speaker 1: A group of Idaho biker militiamen are planning to show
Speaker 1: up to confront people celebrating pride at an event in
Speaker 1: downtown quarter Laine, Idaho, and in a public park next month.
Speaker 1: Two men from the leadership of Panhandle Patriots, a militia
Speaker 1: oriented bikers club based in northern Idaho. Justin Allen, the
Speaker 1: group's vice president, and Jeff White, it's sergeant at arms,
Speaker 1: told a recent gathering at a church hosted by Republican
Speaker 1: state house member Heather Scott that they plan to have
Speaker 1: a gun driven event next month in Quarterly in Idaho,
Speaker 1: the same day as this city's pride celebration at a
Speaker 1: park less than a mile away, and they planned a confrontation. UM.
Speaker 1: I'm going to play a clip of them announcing this, uh,
Speaker 1: and yeah, give it a listen. These parades or government
Speaker 1: funded many of you aren't aware right now. In court Alaine,
Speaker 1: on the tenth of June, there is Family Day, and
Speaker 1: in Family Day they are promoting family values, activities and everything.
Speaker 1: The very following day, they're having Gay Pride Day in
Speaker 1: the very same park the very next day, where they
Speaker 1: will be allowed to parade through all of Court a lane, drag,
Speaker 1: queen dancers, education, our making all this material available for
Speaker 1: all the kids in a park that is designed for kids.
Speaker 1: We are having an event the very same day. That
Speaker 1: very same day, we actually intend to go head to
Speaker 1: head with these people. A line must be drawn in
Speaker 1: the sand. Good people need to stand up. As she
Speaker 1: was talking about the repercussions, we say, damn the repercussions.
Speaker 1: Stand up, take it to the head, go to the
Speaker 1: fight if you can possibly. We know a lot of
Speaker 1: you are monitored. We live in Bonner County. We are
Speaker 1: fighting in multiple counties. We are asking for all of
Speaker 1: you to come stand with us. Our event is advertised
Speaker 1: as gun to Lane because it's an anniversary of when
Speaker 1: we stood to protect our community. We're standing again to
Speaker 1: protect our community. We shifted our date to be available
Speaker 1: to go head to head with these people. They are
Speaker 1: trying to take your children. This fight is not just paper,
Speaker 1: it's not just words, it's not just politicians. They have
Speaker 1: to see people standing in their facing no more so. Wow,
Speaker 1: that sucked, uh and is entirely entirely expected. Um so.
Speaker 1: The the meeting at the at this church, read by
Speaker 1: a Republican House member, was titled the Game Plan to
Speaker 1: Remove inappropriate Materials in our Schools and Libraries. It was
Speaker 1: It was held at a Calvary chapel in a small
Speaker 1: town north of Sandpoint, Idaho. Scott is a long history
Speaker 1: associations and identifications with the far right patriot movement, specifically
Speaker 1: in Idaho, and it was bad um. Heather Scott, the
Speaker 1: Republican state house member. About an hour into the night, Uh.
Speaker 1: Scott invited the two militia dudes up to the podium
Speaker 1: to speak, and they said that so yeah, it's in
Speaker 1: In a flyer posted by the Panhandle Patriots advertising their
Speaker 1: planned conversation at at at at Pride at at a
Speaker 1: flyer that they made shows shows a drag queen reading
Speaker 1: at a public library and urges people to join in
Speaker 1: and standing up against the indoctrination and grooming of our children.
Speaker 1: And if you don't protect children. You are part of
Speaker 1: the problem them. So yeah, they're planning to take a
Speaker 1: hole bunch of guns the same day as a Pride parade,
Speaker 1: and we'll see what happens. Um. I love that. That's that,
Speaker 1: We're just going to see what happens. You and I
Speaker 1: jenuine very incredibly deeply hope we're not reporting on the
Speaker 1: result of that, because yep. So anyway, before you share
Speaker 1: can get Pride discourse. I think this is what happens.
Speaker 1: This is what happens when you engage this in this
Speaker 1: type of rhetoric, that queer sexuality is inherently more dangerous
Speaker 1: to kids. Because anyway, I'm sad. Now, yeah, this isn't
Speaker 1: really an upper of an episode. Um, you don't say,
Speaker 1: but it's it is important to talk about. Um. So
Speaker 1: if you're going to Pride this year, please be careful
Speaker 1: because there's a lot of a lot of worsening attacks
Speaker 1: on queer people. Bring a knife back. You shouldn't have to,
Speaker 1: You shouldn't have to do this. But this is anyway,
Speaker 1: Well that does it for us today. It could happen here.
Speaker 1: Hopefully it doesn't happen here, um, but it could. It
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