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Speaker 2: Right now, it feels like we get a different angle

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Speaker 1: And I'm convinced the more we.

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Speaker 2: Talk about it, Max Crosby has become the Yannis ante

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Speaker 2: two pros and a cup of Joey's Buck rising. I'm

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Speaker 2: Jason Fitz. You can usually hang out with us on

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Speaker 2: Saturday night six to eight pm Eastern. We'll also be

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Speaker 1: Buck.

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Speaker 2: Most people know at this point if they've consumed me anywhere,

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Speaker 2: then I'm a lifelong, diehard Raiders fan. And you know,

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Speaker 2: to be very very clear, I sat there at Super

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Speaker 2: getting traded. Maxis said repeatedly that if he has something

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Speaker 1: So I think all these rumors are just that, they're

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Speaker 2: A day later, Jay Glazer came on my show on

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Speaker 2: Yahoo Sports and shocked me and the world when he said, yeah,

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Speaker 2: I'm Max has done. He's never going to play another

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Speaker 1: Look, I'm not going to.

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Speaker 2: Pretend to know at this point, I stand by the

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Speaker 2: still blame for them this year. That being said, everybody

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Speaker 2: I know now has told me that I'm an idiot

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Speaker 1: And I'm willing to admit that that's right.

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Speaker 2: Like, look, I could see this whole thing wrong I

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Speaker 2: don't know, but what is interesting is that the reports

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Speaker 2: Buck because he talks about the fact that, my god,

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Speaker 3: Now, Well, so how does that make you feel as

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Speaker 3: when somebody like Jay Laser informs you of, you know,

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Speaker 2: Particularly, you mentioned Jay, and I want to say that

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Speaker 1: Jay knows Max incredibly well.

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Speaker 2: So for him to say that was the first time

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Speaker 2: But then I saw Brian Hoyer, the backup quarterback that

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Speaker 1: They could have dinged both of them. They dinged neither

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Speaker 3: Mike Silver is very well sourced, So I have no

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Speaker 3: I'm not saying that Mike Silver would would run a

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Speaker 2: He's covered a lot, written a lot about the Raiders,

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Speaker 2: I don't know Mike on a personal level. We've chatted

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Speaker 3: Either way, I know that Mike would do this story

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Speaker 3: Where's the disconnect happening here?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Hoyer's tweet and I think it's I'm going to

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Speaker 2: a greater question, which is why is everybody so desperate

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Speaker 1: Somewhere else?

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Speaker 2: There's an answer to that that I think we need

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Speaker 2: The number of times I walk around my kitchen singing

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Speaker 1: It's bucket fits, He's buck rising. I'm Jason Fitz.

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Speaker 2: This is completely on brand, Like they just need to

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Speaker 1: But I just, you know, edibles.

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Speaker 2: Are a part of life, buck, I just I feel

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Speaker 3: No I fault you, none whatsoever. I used to do

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Speaker 3: You make it work. Okay. It's a little bit of

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Speaker 1: God, it just makes me I can't wait.

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Speaker 3: Seven in the morning too early.

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Speaker 1: No, No, it's not.

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Speaker 3: Because I'm tempted. I don't have to go on the

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Speaker 1: It's Friday. He ain't got no job. You got no

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Speaker 2: But when I finished, when I finished my Yahoo show,

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Speaker 2: you know I have edibles in me, and then I'll

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Speaker 2: Dolly, which it looks like a straight up Texas chainsaw

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Speaker 1: I'm I'm ever polite.

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Speaker 3: Well, I also hope that you're not rocked as you

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Speaker 2: Wear different Okay, I didn't mean it that that that yeah,

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Speaker 2: I'm just seeing horror movies. That's a good lord, Well.

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Speaker 3: It wasn't that. You're playing last night too? And then

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Speaker 1: I got too high to the movies. I'm gonna admit it.

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Speaker 1: I got too high to go to the movies. Look,

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Speaker 2: I mean, I'm probably gonna have, you know, two or

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Speaker 2: going to be again the straight up seventies Texas Changsaw

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Speaker 3: One Nightmare to take a take any level of THC

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Speaker 3: I'm not a scary movie guy though.

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Speaker 2: Well you know, and they have the the coke whatever

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Speaker 1: So yeah, I'm gonna like I'm the type two.

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Speaker 3: Well, if you can't leave your home. As you've described,

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Speaker 3: It's seventy six and Sunday here, I may go to

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I still have snow. I still have snow. Gotta

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Speaker 2: hate you. I also hate the trade rumors that continually persist.

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Speaker 2: I've decided that Max Crosby is the honist Ontotoopo of

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Speaker 1: Every year we exhaust.

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Speaker 3: No, you can't, Janis is a gas lighting sob.

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Speaker 2: No, I'm not saying that as a person. I'm talking

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Speaker 2: And the funny thing is this summer, I think they're

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Speaker 1: And when they do, everybody's gonna say, SEO told you so.

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Speaker 2: After Like my first week in radio professionally nationally with

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Speaker 1: Talk?

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Speaker 2: And now here we sit in twenty twenty six and

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Speaker 2: we're still doing that. I feel like that's what's happened

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Speaker 1: This might be the.

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Speaker 2: Offseason, I'm wrong and he gets traded. Okay, fine, if

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Speaker 2: It's just exhausting listening every year to bad trade proposals.

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Speaker 2: So who says no, Well, the Raiders over and over

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Speaker 1: In this year's draft, what are you getting for Max Crosby?

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Speaker 2: Then what you're really getting for Max Crosby is probably

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Speaker 2: So like, it's just I understand at some point where

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Speaker 2: all we talk about for three, four or five years

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Speaker 2: I'd rather have Max get traded than spend the next

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Speaker 3: No, I think that's I think that's fair, and I'm

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Speaker 3: sure he would prefer that at this point, like it's

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Speaker 3: aunt or your uncle or something like that. They see

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Speaker 3: something floating around on the Internet and they text you

438
00:20:14,680 --> 00:20:17,040
Speaker 3: all of a sudden, be like, Max, have you seen this.

439
00:20:17,520 --> 00:20:19,800
Speaker 3: Have you seen this trade discussion that's going on? Do

440
00:20:19,840 --> 00:20:21,520
Speaker 3: you think you're going to be moved? Is this real? This?

441
00:20:21,600 --> 00:20:24,879
Speaker 3: That and the other? Like, it's not just you having

442
00:20:24,920 --> 00:20:28,080
Speaker 3: to avoid it personally, it's the people in your life

443
00:20:28,520 --> 00:20:32,520
Speaker 3: who are affected and impacted by this as well, understandably

444
00:20:32,600 --> 00:20:35,640
Speaker 3: so reaching out to you, being like, what's going on?

445
00:20:35,800 --> 00:20:38,719
Speaker 3: Is this? That and the other? Like it's an exhausting

446
00:20:38,840 --> 00:20:44,000
Speaker 3: cycle that social media puts guys like Max Crosby in

447
00:20:44,080 --> 00:20:50,200
Speaker 3: these specific situations, but this one has I mean, it's

448
00:20:51,320 --> 00:20:53,520
Speaker 3: I see both sides, Fitzy, because it is a legitimate

449
00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:56,159
Speaker 3: conversation to be had about a franchise that would you

450
00:20:56,240 --> 00:20:59,000
Speaker 3: say that Max Crosby has been wasted in the Las.

451
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Speaker 2: Vegas Wasted is a tough way to put it, but yes,

452
00:21:04,560 --> 00:21:07,320
Speaker 2: I understand. I understand where that logic comes from.

453
00:21:07,359 --> 00:21:09,560
Speaker 1: I think, I think because like I.

454
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Speaker 3: Would argue that Jeff Simmons is being wasted in Tennessee,

455
00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:14,520
Speaker 3: and Jeff at every turn continues to say, no, I

456
00:21:14,600 --> 00:21:15,160
Speaker 3: want to be here.

457
00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:16,760
Speaker 1: But what do you do?

458
00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:20,119
Speaker 2: Like this is the positional value conversation and what do

459
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Speaker 2: you do? Like I keep going back to something I

460
00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:24,920
Speaker 2: witnessed a few years ago. I saw a year where

461
00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:28,280
Speaker 2: Max Crosby led the NFL in sacks, Josh Jacobs led

462
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Speaker 2: the NFL in rushing, and DeVante Adams had a thousand

463
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Speaker 2: yards receiving and the Raiders won six games, Yeah, six games,

464
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Speaker 2: with all three of those things happening in one year.

465
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Speaker 2: And it's just such a reminder that, like this is,

466
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Speaker 2: I don't know where the line is. When your team sucks,

467
00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:46,560
Speaker 2: you need good players, But when your team sucks and

468
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Speaker 2: you have good players, most of the time, you're wasting

469
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Speaker 2: those good players.

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Speaker 1: It comes back to what you.

471
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Speaker 2: Talked about earlier, when you talked about the system and

472
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Speaker 2: everything that has to be right around players, like you

473
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Speaker 2: need good players to win.

474
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Speaker 1: You cover the Titans. I'm a Raiders fan.

475
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Speaker 2: I heard all the Ashton gent stuff last year and

476
00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:03,320
Speaker 2: the Brock Powers stuff the year before that. There were

477
00:22:03,359 --> 00:22:05,680
Speaker 2: people that were telling me Brock Bawers was a bad

478
00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:08,240
Speaker 2: draft choice because tight ends don't win you football games,

479
00:22:08,280 --> 00:22:10,000
Speaker 2: and the Raiders didn't need a tight end. And I'm

480
00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:12,240
Speaker 2: sitting there saying, you know what, the Raiders need better

481
00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:13,320
Speaker 2: players all.

482
00:22:13,119 --> 00:22:13,919
Speaker 1: Over the stinking thing.

483
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Speaker 2: So like, yes, the Titans this year have been rumored

484
00:22:17,080 --> 00:22:19,959
Speaker 2: to be interested in Jeremiah Love, and people will immediately say, oh,

485
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Speaker 2: you can't draft a running back at fourth overall, to

486
00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:25,760
Speaker 2: which I say, you're right, probably. But also, if you're

487
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Speaker 2: a terrible football team, you just need good football players.

488
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Speaker 2: And the concept of will pick up a running back

489
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Speaker 2: and the second, third, or fourth round instead presumes that

490
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Speaker 2: your front office is gonna be good enough to identify

491
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Speaker 2: a running back and the fourth round. Like, you know

492
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Speaker 2: what I want my favorite team to do. I want

493
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Speaker 2: them to get great players, especially in the first round

494
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Speaker 2: of the draft. Don't get cute. Just go get the

495
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Speaker 2: best player on your damn board and figure it out.

496
00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:51,080
Speaker 2: Because you stink because you don't draft well, and you

497
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Speaker 2: don't draft well.

498
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Speaker 1: Because you get cute with the draft. So like, is

499
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Speaker 1: Max wasted? I don't know.

500
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Speaker 2: I think Max has the opportunity to have a Hall

501
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Speaker 2: of Fame career. Has that resulted in wins?

502
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Speaker 1: No?

503
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Speaker 2: Miles Garrett is going to be a Hall of player,

504
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Speaker 2: has it resulted in wins?

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Speaker 1: No? I think at some point this is why I

506
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Speaker 1: just viewed.

507
00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:13,000
Speaker 2: Team success and personal success as such different categories.

508
00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:15,480
Speaker 1: One does not equal the other. So often No.

509
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Speaker 3: In the NFL, for sure, not it's the ultimate team sport,

510
00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:21,320
Speaker 3: and you can be Miles Garrett and not do any

511
00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:23,840
Speaker 3: winning of consequence in your entire career, And there does

512
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Speaker 3: not look like there's much change on the horizon for

513
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Speaker 3: the Cleveland Browns. The Jeremiah Love like version of that discussion,

514
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Speaker 3: you know, adjacent to Ashton gent last year. It's one

515
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Speaker 3: of those things where I think one people get caught

516
00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:42,840
Speaker 3: up in the position more than they do the actual player. Now,

517
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Speaker 3: there is some level of conversation we had about, all right,

518
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Speaker 3: is Jeremiah Love a better prospect at the running back

519
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Speaker 3: position than Ashton Genty was? It seems like most people

520
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Speaker 3: who study this stuff year round so think that that

521
00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:57,679
Speaker 3: is indeed the case. We had Dane Burglar on the

522
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Speaker 3: local show when I was up at them all last week,

523
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Speaker 3: and Dane said that he had a grade on Love

524
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Speaker 3: similar to the grade that he had on Bijon Robinson

525
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Speaker 3: as a prospect at the time. Do you Takejon Robin?

526
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Speaker 3: Do the Falcons regret taking Bijon Robinson? He was a

527
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Speaker 3: top six pick? I want to say, do the it's

528
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Speaker 3: it's you know, it's a different version of do the

529
00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:25,280
Speaker 3: Giants regret taking Saquon Barkley? Second? Overall, it didn't work

530
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Speaker 3: in New York. But it doesn't mean that Saquan's a

531
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Speaker 3: bad player. You put him in You put him in

532
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Speaker 3: a better situation in Philadelphia. Look what he's able to

533
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Speaker 3: do in a season where he has as healthy a season,

534
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Speaker 3: the top point one percent healthy season that Saquon Barkley's

535
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Speaker 3: ever had. He's a game changing player like Tennessee and

536
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Speaker 3: Jeremiah Love, for example, because for the audience's reference, he

537
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Speaker 3: top thirty or the football people don't like it when

538
00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:53,600
Speaker 3: you call him top thirty visits. So thirty visits where

539
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Speaker 3: you have an allotted amount of in person visits that

540
00:24:57,000 --> 00:24:59,960
Speaker 3: prospects can make to your facility to meet with your

541
00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:03,240
Speaker 3: team prior to the draft. Top indicates that there's some

542
00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:05,080
Speaker 3: kind of ranking in the football people would like for

543
00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:07,480
Speaker 3: you to not put it that way. So a thirty

544
00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:09,879
Speaker 3: visit Jeremiah loves here in Nashville, or at least he

545
00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:12,679
Speaker 3: was here in Nashville yesterday, and that was the first

546
00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:16,000
Speaker 3: thirty visit the Titans made last year. The first thirty

547
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Speaker 3: visit that the Titans made was Cambore. They ended up

548
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Speaker 3: drafting him number one overall. Is your roster? Were the

549
00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:25,359
Speaker 3: Raiders in a position to take Ashton Gente last year,

550
00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:28,720
Speaker 3: likely not given the state of their offensive line. Now,

551
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Speaker 3: I don't know, FITZI I'd defer to you on this

552
00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:33,600
Speaker 3: as somebody who understands the Raiders at a much more

553
00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:37,200
Speaker 3: granular level than I do. Was the offensive line situation

554
00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:40,439
Speaker 3: expected to be anywhere close to as bad as what

555
00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:42,320
Speaker 3: it ended up being in twenty twenty five?

556
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Speaker 1: No, it was not.

557
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Speaker 2: Okay, my counter book to the concept that you know,

558
00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:52,320
Speaker 2: don't take a running back because you should have taken

559
00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:55,280
Speaker 2: an offensive lineman. How many games is that offensive lineman

560
00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:55,680
Speaker 2: going to win?

561
00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:56,280
Speaker 3: Yeah?

562
00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:56,880
Speaker 1: How many?

563
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Speaker 2: Like if the argument and this what we do top

564
00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:03,000
Speaker 2: the draft top to Okay, this year's draft, I think

565
00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:05,080
Speaker 2: we all agree right now, it looks like edge rusher

566
00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:07,960
Speaker 2: is the premium position in this year's draft for many

567
00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:10,680
Speaker 2: people at the top. Right, Okay, So I just pulled

568
00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:15,119
Speaker 2: up from last offseason. Coming into last season. This was

569
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Speaker 2: the NFL scouting. The executives in the NFL were polled

570
00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:22,760
Speaker 2: on the best edge rushers in the NFL. Miles Garrett,

571
00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:24,520
Speaker 2: how many games did they win last year?

572
00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:24,960
Speaker 1: TJ.

573
00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:27,360
Speaker 2: Watt and the Pittsburgh Steelers? How many games did they win?

574
00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:29,960
Speaker 2: Micah Parsons who ended up with the Packers. How'd that

575
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:32,000
Speaker 2: work out? I know it got hurt, but still Max

576
00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:33,200
Speaker 2: Crosby listed fourth.

577
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Speaker 1: How many games did they win? Right?

578
00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:38,000
Speaker 2: Nick Posa listed fifth for San Francisco. How many games

579
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Speaker 2: did they win? Trey Hendrickson listed sixth for Cincinnati. How

580
00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:44,399
Speaker 2: many games did they win? Aiden Hutchinson listed seventh for

581
00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:47,240
Speaker 2: the Detroit Lions. How many games did they win? Will

582
00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:49,760
Speaker 2: Anderson Junior for the Houston Texans? Did they go to

583
00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:51,760
Speaker 2: the Super Bowl? I had to get all the way

584
00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:54,520
Speaker 2: down to Will Anderson of the Houston Texans in the

585
00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:57,080
Speaker 2: ranking of coming into last season of the best edge

586
00:26:57,119 --> 00:26:58,760
Speaker 2: rushers to find one.

587
00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:03,520
Speaker 3: That made the playoffs one, Well, San Francisco did, and

588
00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:05,639
Speaker 3: they did win a bunch of games, but remember he

589
00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:10,159
Speaker 3: got hurt so early on that, like Roberson, work with

590
00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:12,359
Speaker 3: a bunch of dudes, right, like it as it almost

591
00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:15,480
Speaker 3: supports your argument even more, being like, well, yeah, they

592
00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:17,800
Speaker 3: just figured it out without one of their best players,

593
00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:19,760
Speaker 3: and San Francisco did that all year long. But your

594
00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:20,400
Speaker 3: points stands.

595
00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:23,000
Speaker 2: I mean, that's why I keep looking at it saying

596
00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:26,080
Speaker 2: everybody talks about, oh, what do you do with Max?

597
00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:27,800
Speaker 2: Because they want to see Max go somewhere where he

598
00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:30,880
Speaker 2: wins football games. Guess what, turn the page. Edge rushers

599
00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:33,800
Speaker 2: don't win football games. Like we know, it's the second

600
00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:37,800
Speaker 2: most important position in football. Edge rushers by themselves don't

601
00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:41,040
Speaker 2: win football games across the board. So if your argument

602
00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:43,320
Speaker 2: in the draft is, well, we certainly can't take a

603
00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:45,600
Speaker 2: running back because we're not going to be in the

604
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:46,920
Speaker 2: right position to pay them.

605
00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:50,040
Speaker 1: We need to take the edge rusher instead.

606
00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:53,160
Speaker 2: Now, I mean, I'm looking at edge rushers that were

607
00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:56,760
Speaker 2: drafted high, that performed high, they get.

608
00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:59,639
Speaker 1: Paid high, and none of them are winning football games.

609
00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:02,720
Speaker 2: This is why it's just interesting to me that we

610
00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:06,480
Speaker 2: pick and choose this weird conversation every year about what

611
00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:09,320
Speaker 2: has value and what doesn't have value. Max Max Crosby

612
00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:12,159
Speaker 2: is one of the best players in the NFL, point

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Speaker 2: blank period.

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00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:15,879
Speaker 1: That's it, right. How many games of the Raiders one

615
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:16,479
Speaker 1: because of it?

616
00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:18,960
Speaker 2: So if Max goes somewhere else, and what we say

617
00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:20,879
Speaker 2: all the time for running back Buck is that you

618
00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:23,040
Speaker 2: need to be the right team in the right position

619
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Speaker 2: to take advantage of having that running back. I would

620
00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:30,320
Speaker 2: argue that's the case for every single position in football.

621
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Speaker 1: You need to have the right place the right team.

622
00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:36,000
Speaker 1: Everything needs to be really right on that level of

623
00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:37,280
Speaker 1: bla bla blah, Like you've.

624
00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:39,920
Speaker 2: Got to have a really really really good roster that

625
00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:42,680
Speaker 2: also has some really really really good stars. If you

626
00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:45,479
Speaker 2: don't have both, you ain't gonna win football games. So like,

627
00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:47,920
Speaker 2: go out and get yourself. Good players make life simple.

628
00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:51,120
Speaker 3: No, it's it's and that to me is the theme

629
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Speaker 3: of this draft is just take good football players. Like yeah,

630
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Speaker 3: because to your your initial or one of your initial

631
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Speaker 3: statements fits you about edge being the premier position, I

632
00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:04,800
Speaker 3: would argue it's off ball linebacker with rvel Reees projected

633
00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:07,840
Speaker 3: as an off ball linebacker in Sonny styles, because every

634
00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:11,560
Speaker 3: one of these pass rushers, these edge guys, you can

635
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:15,000
Speaker 3: nitpick here. Right with David Bailey, it's he's a bit stiff.

636
00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:16,920
Speaker 3: You don't know if he's you don't know if he

637
00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:19,440
Speaker 3: and obviously we won't know what these guys are until

638
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:22,200
Speaker 3: they play in the NFL. But he doesn't necessarily project

639
00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:24,040
Speaker 3: as a three down player, right, he doesn't do well

640
00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:27,960
Speaker 3: against the run. Ruben Baying is excellent, as he's as

641
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:32,000
Speaker 3: good as a pass rusher as he is a run stopper.

642
00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:36,840
Speaker 3: But we understand that his I have to figure out

643
00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:39,200
Speaker 3: a different way to describe his arm length other than

644
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:41,880
Speaker 3: a physical deficiency. But that is what an NFL team,

645
00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:45,520
Speaker 3: It's a physical exception. He has a physical exception where

646
00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:47,880
Speaker 3: he will be. If he succeeds, he will be the

647
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:50,840
Speaker 3: exception to the rule. And in the NFL, do you

648
00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:55,080
Speaker 3: make money gambling on physical exceptions? Likely not in almost

649
00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:58,520
Speaker 3: every other situation. It's why there hasn't been a player

650
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:01,840
Speaker 3: at an All Pro or even a Pro Bowl caliber

651
00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:05,480
Speaker 3: at the at the edge spot that's been taken in

652
00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:08,800
Speaker 3: the first round with sub thirty one inch arms since

653
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Speaker 3: they started tracking arm length as data. Right the last

654
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Speaker 3: the closest comparison is Terrell Suggs, and Suggs is a

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Speaker 3: much different kind of a player than Ruben Bain will

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Speaker 3: likely be at the NFL level. So it just comes

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Speaker 3: down to are you going to get And I don't think,

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Speaker 3: I really don't think most personnel evaluators get caught up

659
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Speaker 3: in this, at least not ones when you talk to them.

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Speaker 3: Maybe in a moment they get caught up in the

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Speaker 3: positional value stuff. Maybe when the when the clock starts

662
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Speaker 3: ticking on their pick in the draft, maybe they default to, oh,

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Speaker 3: we can't take a running back here. We can't trade

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Speaker 3: up for an off ball linebacker or whatever the case

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Speaker 3: may be. If you are a roster like the Raiders

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Speaker 3: or the Titans or any of these bottom feeder teams

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Speaker 3: that's just trying to improve. You cannot do anything unless

668
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Speaker 3: one you have the best possible team. Two you get

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Speaker 3: in credit lucky as far as the health goes. And

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Speaker 3: then there are still some other mitigating factors that can

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Speaker 3: impact your success or you'll failure or your failure. There

672
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Speaker 3: is as much luck in this as there is skill,

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Speaker 3: because the draft is such an inexact science in any sport,

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Speaker 3: but more so in football, when it is so very

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Speaker 3: difficult for any one individual player, even at the most

676
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Speaker 3: important position in sports, even at the quarterback position, to

677
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Speaker 3: really change your outcomes week after week after week. Right,

678
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Speaker 3: your pass rusher may help you win a game, recover

679
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Speaker 3: a force fumble, stripsack at quarterback, give your offense a

680
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Speaker 3: short field for you to be able to capitalize in

681
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Speaker 3: that defensive end in that specific game, may give you

682
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Speaker 3: the play that you needed to put you over the top.

683
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Speaker 3: Whereas the next week, maybe he hits a wall as

684
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Speaker 3: far as who he's facing on the offensive line, and

685
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Speaker 3: your quarterback has to come through in that particular moment,

686
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Speaker 3: or your running game has to come through in that

687
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Speaker 3: particular moment, or any one piece or part or your

688
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Speaker 3: defensive back gets a timely interception that you can't I mean,

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Speaker 3: you can't recreate interceptions turnovers year over year.

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Speaker 1: Because that's not how football works.

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Speaker 3: Right, Like, it's just it. We get so we get

692
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Speaker 3: so stuck in a lot of these positional value conversations

693
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Speaker 3: when at the end of the day, the conversation is

694
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Speaker 3: still about do you have a better football team than

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Speaker 3: the other guys, Because you're gonna need Sam Donald to

696
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Speaker 3: go nuts in the NFC Championship game to get you

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Speaker 3: to the super Bowl. But then you're gonna need to

698
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Speaker 3: lean on that running game and that defense to win

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Speaker 3: you the Super Bowl. And Sam Donald can be more

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Speaker 3: of a passenger princess in that particular situation because that's

701
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Speaker 3: all you need from him in that particular day.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I again, you're right about off ball linebacker.

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Speaker 3: I don't know why yell you by the way, I

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Speaker 3: love her.

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Speaker 2: So I love this passion I pulled up. From July

706
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Speaker 2: fifteen to twenty twenty five, Jeremy Fowler, same thing. They

707
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Speaker 2: talked to league executives, coaches, and scouts to rank the

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Speaker 2: top at every position, including off ball linebacker. So I

709
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Speaker 2: pulled the list going into last season of the highest

710
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Speaker 2: ranked off ball linebackers according to the league. As we

711
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Speaker 2: came into the season, Fred Warner, who only played six

712
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Speaker 2: games for a San Francisco team that he wasn't able

713
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Speaker 2: to really contribute to, was number one. After that, Rokwan

714
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Speaker 2: Smith of the Baltimore Ravens. We all saw a Baltimore

715
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Speaker 2: season ended, Zach Bond of the Philadelphia Eagles stunningly, we

716
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Speaker 2: all saw how Philadelphia's season ended up going Nick Bolton

717
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Speaker 2: of the Kansas City Chiefs, who we stunningly saw how

718
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:24,760
Speaker 2: that season went. Frankie Luvu of the Washington Commanders, who

719
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Speaker 2: absolutely fell apart. Tremaine Edwards walked into the season as

720
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Speaker 2: the number six off ball linebacker. My guy just got cut.

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Speaker 2: So I just again all of the I'm saying all

722
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Speaker 2: of this. Levante David in at seven for the Tampa

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Speaker 2: Bay Buccaneers. I'm saying all of this to say the

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Speaker 2: true answer is that no one player at any one

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Speaker 2: position equals playoff success. And that's just That's a hard message,

726
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Speaker 2: because what it really tells you is that if your

727
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Speaker 2: team sucks, you need to get a bunch of things right.

728
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Speaker 2: You need to get free agency right, you need to

729
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Speaker 2: get the first four rounds of the NFL Draft right,

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Speaker 2: and not just once, not.

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Speaker 1: Just twice, but three or four times in a row.

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Speaker 2: If you don't have a better front office, if you

733
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Speaker 2: don't have a better GM, if your guy can't out,

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Speaker 2: Howie Roseman, Howie Roseman, your team is absolutely screwed.

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Speaker 1: We got more to breakdown on that. We're up against it.

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Speaker 1: We more to break down on that.

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Speaker 2: We'll be back by the way Saturday so we can

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Speaker 2: continue this conversation. But coming up next, the single greatest

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Speaker 2: game show in the history of sports talk radio. Would

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Speaker 2: you rather coming up next? Bucking Fits Filling In for

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Speaker 2: Two Pros and a Cup of Joe on Fox Sports Radio.

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Speaker 4: Be sure to catch live editions of Two Pros and

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Speaker 4: Jonas Knox weekdays at six am Eastern, three am Pacific.

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Speaker 3: All right, let's put a bow on this bad boy

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Speaker 3: for a Friday morning Bucking Fits Filling In for Two

747
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Speaker 3: Pros and a cup of Joe here on Fox Sports Radio.

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Speaker 3: We appreciate you guys and the fellas letting us have

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Speaker 3: their space for a couple of hours on this Friday morning.

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Speaker 3: Hopefully we helped you guys get a little little bit

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Speaker 3: make a run to Yahoo Sports Daily. He's got some

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Speaker 3: production stuff he's got to get on top of before

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Speaker 3: that show starts for him, which is his day job.

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Speaker 3: Unfortunately for you, you got to wrap things up with

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Speaker 3: me on this Friday morning with a little bit of

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Speaker 3: would you rather? Because I got a little time to

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Speaker 3: kill before we get to my show later on this

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Speaker 3: afternoon in Nashville. Were ready to spin the wheel? We

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Speaker 3: ready for would you rather?

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Speaker 1: It's easy, guys, don't think too hard on would you rather? Bucket,

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Speaker 1: touch or fix it?

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Speaker 6: We're gonna start off with a We do a lot

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Speaker 6: of silly ones in in this segment, but I'm gonna

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Speaker 6: start off with just a basic one one that I'm

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Speaker 6: curious about. Uh, would you rather have a window seat

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Speaker 6: or an aisle seat?

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Speaker 3: Oh? I am always going to say a window seat

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Speaker 3: in this particular situation because I am not somebody. No

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Speaker 3: matter how long the flight is, unless it's international, I'm

775
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Speaker 3: always gonna make it through the flight without needing to

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Speaker 3: get up and go to the bathroom. Like, I don't

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Speaker 3: want to have to be bothered by people who need

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Speaker 3: to go to the restroom if I'm sitting in the aisle. Also,

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Speaker 3: it's compounded for me and I'm you know, I'm not

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Speaker 3: the tallest person in the world. I'm six too, but

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Speaker 3: I'm big enough in an airplane seat where I get

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Speaker 3: bumped by the snack and drink cart every time it

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Speaker 3: comes by. Where you know, if you're a little wider

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Speaker 3: in the hips, maybe you're knocking into me as you're

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Speaker 3: walking by. Maybe your luggage drives me crazy. I want

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Speaker 3: to be I want to have I want to have

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Speaker 3: the security of the window seat so that nobody can

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Speaker 3: bother me and I can just stay there and ride

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Speaker 3: out the flight. But that's me personally. I don't know

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Speaker 3: how you guys feel.

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Speaker 1: All right.

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Speaker 6: You had a really good point. And I don't know

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Speaker 6: if I would rather be like walked over because people

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Speaker 6: have to go past you if you're in the aisle sea.

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Speaker 6: But I like the idea of like a quick escape.

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Speaker 6: I hate being like locked in. I feel a little

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Speaker 6: chaustrophobic if I have the window.

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 6: Mine's the same answer to you, but for different reasons.

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Speaker 6: I like the little like the little alcove that I

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Speaker 6: have that I can stuff a sweatshirt in there and

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Speaker 6: sleep inside the window.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, let me let me, let me get to my corner,

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Speaker 3: let me hivernight, let me get through the flight. Nobody

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Speaker 3: talk to me, nobody bothered me. I got my eyemask on,

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Speaker 3: I got my ear plugs in. It's beautiful, all right.

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Speaker 6: Uh Now, now we'll start with a wacky one here.

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Speaker 6: Would you rather have cereal with water or orange juice?

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Speaker 3: Oh? God, this makes me think of Friday. I think

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Speaker 3: this is the second Friday reference we've had on the

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Speaker 3: show today. Oh does it just cereal in a vacuum?

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Speaker 3: Like if if I can do if I can pick

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Speaker 3: what kind of cereal that I can put with orange juice,

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Speaker 3: I feel like I could probably maybe like fruit loops

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Speaker 3: or something like that. Is that too much fruity uh

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Speaker 3: sensation going on in my cereal water? Just that that

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Speaker 3: sounds so unappealing. It's like it's like the people that

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Speaker 3: make hot chocolate with water, Like you know that's not good.

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Speaker 3: Just put some milk in it.

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Speaker 6: All right? All right, let's see here? Would you okay?

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Speaker 6: Would you rather?

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Speaker 3: Know it's good? If you're already laughing on the front,

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Speaker 3: what do you go?

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Speaker 1: No?

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Speaker 6: I know I had to. I had to skip that one.

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Speaker 6: I'm gonna do another. I'm gonna do another food. I'm

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Speaker 6: gonna do another food one here.

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Speaker 3: Now I'm worried.

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Speaker 6: Would you would you rather ketch up on ice cream

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Speaker 6: or chocolate syrup on pizza?

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Speaker 3: H God, it sounds like Fitzy got high and came

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Speaker 3: up with a bunch of would you rather for this

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Speaker 3: ketchup on ice cream or chocolate syrup on pizza? Ye? See,

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Speaker 3: I'm thirty two years old and I just recently developed

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Speaker 3: the taste for ketchup. But I feel like there's no

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Speaker 3: faster way to ruin that for me than putting it

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Speaker 3: on ice cream. I think that I can get by

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Speaker 3: with chocolate syrup on pizza. It depends on what kind

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Speaker 3: of pizza what we're talking about. Like, I'm not a

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Speaker 3: I'm not opposed to the pineapple and hand pizza. I

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Speaker 3: like the Hawaiian pizza. I can do a little sweet

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Speaker 3: with my savory, so I'm more likely to go chocolate syrup.

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Speaker 6: That's the pizza that you would have to choose for

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Speaker 6: that as well. Yes, all right, let's do a sports

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Speaker 6: one here. Would you rather play a full game with

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Speaker 6: shoes two sizes too small or two sizes too big?

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Speaker 3: I feel like there's a higher percentage chance of injury

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Speaker 3: in shoes that are two sizes too big, right, Like?

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Speaker 3: If you not, just because the back of the back

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Speaker 3: of your Like I don't know what is the back

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Speaker 3: of your heel that starts to chafe and rub rawl. Oh,

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Speaker 3: the blisters are the worst, the absolute worst. No, I'm

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Speaker 3: already gonna have a hard enough time in any athletic competition.

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Speaker 3: But that's why I talk about sports for a living

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Speaker 3: and not play them. We appreciate you guys. Stick around

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Speaker 3: for Fox Sports Radio on this Friday