1 00:00:01,160 --> 00:00:04,400 Speaker 1: Welcome to Haunted Road, a production of I Heart Radio 2 00:00:04,640 --> 00:00:08,879 Speaker 1: and Grimm and Mild from Aaron Minky listener Discretion is advised. 3 00:00:22,160 --> 00:00:25,160 Speaker 1: It was ninety two and I was twenty two years 4 00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:27,520 Speaker 1: old and a seaman in the Merchant Navy on the 5 00:00:27,600 --> 00:00:30,800 Speaker 1: Queen Mary. We were returning to Glasgow from New York, 6 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:33,880 Speaker 1: which was a four to five day journey. The Queen 7 00:00:33,920 --> 00:00:36,839 Speaker 1: Mary was carrying thousands of American troops to join the 8 00:00:36,880 --> 00:00:40,040 Speaker 1: Allied forces. She was known as a hornet's nest in 9 00:00:40,080 --> 00:00:42,840 Speaker 1: the war, as there were lots of nationalities on the ship. 10 00:00:43,479 --> 00:00:45,159 Speaker 1: There were two of us on the deck on the 11 00:00:45,200 --> 00:00:47,400 Speaker 1: aft of the ship, and we were manning the six 12 00:00:47,479 --> 00:00:50,560 Speaker 1: inch gun in case we came under attack. What good 13 00:00:50,600 --> 00:00:53,199 Speaker 1: we could have done with one gun, I've no idea. 14 00:00:54,040 --> 00:00:56,800 Speaker 1: A cruiser called the h M S. Curaso met us 15 00:00:56,840 --> 00:00:59,760 Speaker 1: two hundred miles off the coast to escort us into Grenock. 16 00:01:00,200 --> 00:01:02,560 Speaker 1: I could see her clearly as I was on the aft. 17 00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:06,000 Speaker 1: We could see our escort zig zagging in front of us. 18 00:01:06,160 --> 00:01:08,840 Speaker 1: It was common for the ships and cruisers to zig 19 00:01:08,920 --> 00:01:12,880 Speaker 1: zag to confuse the U boats. In this particular case, however, 20 00:01:12,920 --> 00:01:16,720 Speaker 1: the escort was very very close to us. I said 21 00:01:16,760 --> 00:01:19,480 Speaker 1: to my mate, you know, she's zig zigging all over 22 00:01:19,520 --> 00:01:21,959 Speaker 1: the place in front of us. I'm sure we're going 23 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:25,880 Speaker 1: to hit her. And sure enough, the Queen Mary sliced 24 00:01:25,920 --> 00:01:29,319 Speaker 1: the cruiser into like a piece of butter, straight through 25 00:01:29,319 --> 00:01:32,800 Speaker 1: the six inch armored plating. The Queen Mary just carried 26 00:01:32,800 --> 00:01:36,039 Speaker 1: on going. We were doing about twenty five knots. It 27 00:01:36,160 --> 00:01:39,360 Speaker 1: was the policy not to stop and pick up survivors, 28 00:01:39,640 --> 00:01:42,440 Speaker 1: even if they were waving at you. It was too 29 00:01:42,520 --> 00:01:45,480 Speaker 1: dangerous as the threat of U boats was always present. 30 00:01:46,880 --> 00:01:50,360 Speaker 1: This is the personal account of an Alfred Johnson, taken 31 00:01:50,400 --> 00:01:53,440 Speaker 1: from an article in World War Two. Today, it's just 32 00:01:53,600 --> 00:01:57,040 Speaker 1: one bit of history from the Gray Ghost, and there's 33 00:01:57,080 --> 00:02:00,840 Speaker 1: a lot more to tell. So let tad to Long Beach, 34 00:02:00,920 --> 00:02:04,880 Speaker 1: California and stroll the decks of the mighty Queen Mary. 35 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:25,800 Speaker 1: I'm Amy Brunei, and welcome to Haunted Road. The Queen 36 00:02:25,840 --> 00:02:29,000 Speaker 1: Mary was built in nineteen thirty and Clyde Bank, Scotland 37 00:02:29,080 --> 00:02:32,520 Speaker 1: by Kunard Line, a British cruise line based at Carnival 38 00:02:32,600 --> 00:02:36,680 Speaker 1: House in Southampton, England. The project was initially known as 39 00:02:36,800 --> 00:02:39,760 Speaker 1: Job number five three four and due to the economic 40 00:02:39,840 --> 00:02:43,280 Speaker 1: setback induced by the Great depression. The ship's construction was 41 00:02:43,320 --> 00:02:46,040 Speaker 1: finished in three and a half years and cost three 42 00:02:46,040 --> 00:02:49,359 Speaker 1: point five million pounds sterling, which is equivalent to four 43 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:53,600 Speaker 1: point eight million in today's US dollars. Connard decided to 44 00:02:53,720 --> 00:02:57,200 Speaker 1: name the ship after Queen Victoria, but as legend has it, 45 00:02:57,520 --> 00:03:00,560 Speaker 1: Canard directors went to ask King George for his blessing 46 00:03:00,600 --> 00:03:04,240 Speaker 1: of the ship's proposed name. We have decided to name 47 00:03:04,280 --> 00:03:07,920 Speaker 1: our new ship after England's greatest queen, says the Queen 48 00:03:07,960 --> 00:03:12,480 Speaker 1: Mary website. But King George's reported response was, my wife, 49 00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:15,320 Speaker 1: Queen Mary, will be delighted that you are naming the 50 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:20,280 Speaker 1: ship after her. I'm nineteen thirty six the Queen Mary 51 00:03:20,360 --> 00:03:24,320 Speaker 1: set sail on her maiden voyage, departing from Southampton. The 52 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:27,880 Speaker 1: ship was constructed with five dining halls and lounges, two 53 00:03:27,919 --> 00:03:31,880 Speaker 1: cocktail bars, two pools, a grand ballroom, a squash court, 54 00:03:32,080 --> 00:03:35,520 Speaker 1: and even a small hospital. The Queen Mary had set 55 00:03:35,560 --> 00:03:39,240 Speaker 1: the bar for transatlantic travel, catering to the rich and famous, 56 00:03:39,240 --> 00:03:43,280 Speaker 1: who were typically the only people who traveled at that time. Again, 57 00:03:43,320 --> 00:03:46,000 Speaker 1: according to the Queen Mary website, the day the Queen 58 00:03:46,040 --> 00:03:49,280 Speaker 1: Mary was christened in nineteen thirty four, a well known 59 00:03:49,400 --> 00:03:53,080 Speaker 1: English psychic by the name of Lady Mabel Fortescue. Harrison 60 00:03:53,160 --> 00:03:56,640 Speaker 1: predicted the Queen Mary will know her greatest fame in 61 00:03:56,680 --> 00:04:01,320 Speaker 1: popularity when she never sails another mile or carries another 62 00:04:01,480 --> 00:04:06,080 Speaker 1: fair paying passenger. For three years after her maiden voyage, 63 00:04:06,120 --> 00:04:09,600 Speaker 1: the Queen Mary was the grandest ocean liner in the world, 64 00:04:09,800 --> 00:04:14,080 Speaker 1: carrying Hollywood celebrities like Bob Hope and Clark Gable, Royalty 65 00:04:14,160 --> 00:04:17,120 Speaker 1: like the Duke and Duchess of Windsor, and dignitaries like 66 00:04:17,160 --> 00:04:20,720 Speaker 1: Winston Churchill. During this time she even set a new 67 00:04:20,800 --> 00:04:24,800 Speaker 1: speed record, which she held for fourteen years. Queen Mary 68 00:04:24,880 --> 00:04:29,360 Speaker 1: made her last peacetime voyage from Southampton on August nineteen 69 00:04:29,440 --> 00:04:32,599 Speaker 1: thirty nine. Upon arrival in New York, the ship was 70 00:04:32,640 --> 00:04:34,920 Speaker 1: birthed in the relative safety of the U s Port 71 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:38,520 Speaker 1: while World War Two commenced in Europe. She remained there 72 00:04:38,760 --> 00:04:41,080 Speaker 1: until the end of the year as the war escalated 73 00:04:41,240 --> 00:04:44,200 Speaker 1: and British Admiralty decided what role the ship would play 74 00:04:44,240 --> 00:04:47,599 Speaker 1: in the coming months and years. Having been joined in 75 00:04:47,600 --> 00:04:50,839 Speaker 1: New York by Normandy and the newly launched Queen Elizabeth. 76 00:04:50,920 --> 00:04:54,440 Speaker 1: For a brief period, three of the world's largest transatlantic 77 00:04:54,480 --> 00:04:58,080 Speaker 1: liners sat idle together in the harbor. The trio were 78 00:04:58,120 --> 00:05:02,719 Speaker 1: also joined by the second more to Ya. According to 79 00:05:02,800 --> 00:05:07,159 Speaker 1: maritime historian Chris Kunard. In March nineteen forty, Queen Mary 80 00:05:07,279 --> 00:05:10,800 Speaker 1: was called into military service. She sailed from New York 81 00:05:10,839 --> 00:05:14,520 Speaker 1: bound for Sydney, Australia, to prepare for her wartime duties. 82 00:05:15,040 --> 00:05:17,880 Speaker 1: Upon her arrival in Australia, she was sent to dry 83 00:05:17,920 --> 00:05:20,440 Speaker 1: dock and work commenced to convert the ship into a 84 00:05:20,480 --> 00:05:24,919 Speaker 1: troop carrier. Queen Mary's luxury fittings and interior were removed 85 00:05:24,960 --> 00:05:28,800 Speaker 1: and safely stored. In their place, thousands of bunks and 86 00:05:28,880 --> 00:05:32,280 Speaker 1: hammocks were installed, while the ship's large public areas were 87 00:05:32,279 --> 00:05:36,839 Speaker 1: rearranged into mess halls and offices for military purposes. To 88 00:05:36,920 --> 00:05:39,760 Speaker 1: protect the ship, small caliber guns were fitted on the 89 00:05:39,800 --> 00:05:44,239 Speaker 1: Queen Mary, including anti aircraft guns on her open decks, 90 00:05:44,279 --> 00:05:47,240 Speaker 1: but it was the Queen Mary's speed that would be 91 00:05:47,320 --> 00:05:51,440 Speaker 1: her main protection against possible attack. To that end, the 92 00:05:51,520 --> 00:05:54,440 Speaker 1: liner was ordered to sail at high speed when carrying 93 00:05:54,440 --> 00:05:59,240 Speaker 1: troops to avoid danger from the enemy. On May four, 94 00:05:59,440 --> 00:06:02,880 Speaker 1: nineteen forty, Queen Mary departed Sydney with troops of the 95 00:06:02,920 --> 00:06:07,440 Speaker 1: Australian Imperial Force on board. Bound for the River Clyde, Scotland. 96 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:11,080 Speaker 1: After operating on this route and various others, Queen Mary 97 00:06:11,160 --> 00:06:15,560 Speaker 1: concentrated on voyages between Australian ports and Singapore to the 98 00:06:15,560 --> 00:06:19,359 Speaker 1: Gulf of Suez. When the United States of America entered 99 00:06:19,360 --> 00:06:21,280 Speaker 1: the war on the side of the Allies in nineteen 100 00:06:21,360 --> 00:06:24,839 Speaker 1: forty one, Queen Mary's trooping capacity was increased to over 101 00:06:24,960 --> 00:06:29,839 Speaker 1: fifteen thousand people. Following further refurbishment, she entered service in 102 00:06:29,880 --> 00:06:32,400 Speaker 1: her new role as a mass transport of troops on 103 00:06:32,440 --> 00:06:35,960 Speaker 1: the North Atlantic. It was on this service that Queen 104 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:39,800 Speaker 1: Mary carried the most people ever transported by a ship, 105 00:06:40,279 --> 00:06:44,840 Speaker 1: sixteen thousand, six hundred eighty three people in one voyage, 106 00:06:44,880 --> 00:06:48,039 Speaker 1: a record she still holds to this day. Keep in 107 00:06:48,080 --> 00:06:50,920 Speaker 1: mind the original capacity for the Queen Mary was just 108 00:06:51,080 --> 00:06:55,479 Speaker 1: over two thousand passengers and eleven hundred crew. It was 109 00:06:55,600 --> 00:06:58,719 Speaker 1: during the Queen Mary's tenure as a group transport for 110 00:06:58,760 --> 00:07:01,200 Speaker 1: the U S Army that the ship gained her nickname 111 00:07:01,480 --> 00:07:04,640 Speaker 1: the Gray Ghost. Hitler even put a two d fifty 112 00:07:04,640 --> 00:07:07,240 Speaker 1: thousand dollar bounty out on her and her sister ship, 113 00:07:07,279 --> 00:07:10,360 Speaker 1: the Queen Elizabeth, But the speed of an average U 114 00:07:10,400 --> 00:07:14,280 Speaker 1: boat was eleven knots surfaced and seven knots submerged. Even 115 00:07:14,360 --> 00:07:17,200 Speaker 1: later in the war, when it was increased to seventeen 116 00:07:17,280 --> 00:07:20,360 Speaker 1: knots of twenty four knots, they couldn't come close to 117 00:07:20,400 --> 00:07:23,760 Speaker 1: the twenty eight not average of the Queen Mary. According 118 00:07:23,800 --> 00:07:25,840 Speaker 1: to the book Ghosts of the Queen Mary, many a 119 00:07:25,920 --> 00:07:28,960 Speaker 1: submarine skipper would get the ship in his sights, only 120 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:31,480 Speaker 1: to watch it steam out of range over the horizon 121 00:07:31,720 --> 00:07:35,320 Speaker 1: long before the order to fire could be given. It 122 00:07:35,360 --> 00:07:38,360 Speaker 1: was during her service that the Queen Mary was involved 123 00:07:38,360 --> 00:07:41,440 Speaker 1: in a horrendous accident with the Curaso. As sighted in 124 00:07:41,480 --> 00:07:45,000 Speaker 1: the beginning of this episode. On that day in ninety two, 125 00:07:45,160 --> 00:07:48,160 Speaker 1: the Queen Mary was on a standard zigzag course. It 126 00:07:48,240 --> 00:07:51,800 Speaker 1: may have been difficult for HMS Curaso to interpret what 127 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:54,400 Speaker 1: phase of the zigzag she was on when they met, 128 00:07:54,920 --> 00:07:57,120 Speaker 1: or it may have been that the HMS Curaso just 129 00:07:57,200 --> 00:08:00,600 Speaker 1: didn't have the speed. The two ships found themselves on 130 00:08:00,640 --> 00:08:04,679 Speaker 1: a collision course. Both captains were informed, and both believed 131 00:08:04,680 --> 00:08:08,720 Speaker 1: the other would take evasive action. The consequences were tragic. 132 00:08:09,320 --> 00:08:11,760 Speaker 1: The Croso was sliced in half and sunk, with the 133 00:08:11,800 --> 00:08:15,520 Speaker 1: loss of three hundred thirty seven men. As per protocols. 134 00:08:15,520 --> 00:08:18,680 Speaker 1: In such situations, the Queen Mary did not stop and 135 00:08:18,720 --> 00:08:22,560 Speaker 1: did not slow down protocol or not. I can't imagine 136 00:08:22,600 --> 00:08:25,120 Speaker 1: how haunting that must have been for all on board. 137 00:08:26,160 --> 00:08:28,560 Speaker 1: At the end of the war, Queen Mary was used 138 00:08:28,560 --> 00:08:32,440 Speaker 1: in the urgent and time consuming task of repatriating thousands 139 00:08:32,480 --> 00:08:36,280 Speaker 1: of servicemen. Following this duty, the ship was utilized on 140 00:08:36,360 --> 00:08:40,640 Speaker 1: the War Bride Service, thirteen voyages that eventually carried twenty 141 00:08:40,679 --> 00:08:43,480 Speaker 1: thousand brides who had met and married their husbands while 142 00:08:43,520 --> 00:08:46,760 Speaker 1: they were serving across the Atlantic, now to be reunited 143 00:08:46,760 --> 00:08:50,920 Speaker 1: in America. Queen Mary and her sister ship, Queen Elizabeth, 144 00:08:51,160 --> 00:08:55,280 Speaker 1: were essential in the wartime effort, with Winston Churchill declaring 145 00:08:55,559 --> 00:08:59,360 Speaker 1: without their aid, the day of final victory must unquestionably 146 00:08:59,480 --> 00:09:04,480 Speaker 1: have been postponed. After the war, the Queen Mary had 147 00:09:04,520 --> 00:09:08,200 Speaker 1: a second or third act. According to Ghosts of the 148 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:11,960 Speaker 1: Queen Mary, her whole was scraped and repainted. Thousands of 149 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:15,240 Speaker 1: workers labored day and night to remove the many scars 150 00:09:15,320 --> 00:09:18,760 Speaker 1: left by her time at war. All of her public areas, 151 00:09:18,920 --> 00:09:22,360 Speaker 1: as well as her cabins, were completely restored. Her decks 152 00:09:22,360 --> 00:09:26,160 Speaker 1: and railings were resurfaced, New carpets installed throughout the ship, 153 00:09:26,440 --> 00:09:28,959 Speaker 1: and all of the exotic woods and artworks that had 154 00:09:28,960 --> 00:09:32,240 Speaker 1: been languishing in warehouses during the war were now back 155 00:09:32,240 --> 00:09:35,320 Speaker 1: to where they could be enjoyed again. All the crew 156 00:09:35,360 --> 00:09:39,240 Speaker 1: cabins were updated and improved. Probably the largest change came 157 00:09:39,320 --> 00:09:43,920 Speaker 1: in changes to passenger cabins. The new configuration consisted of 158 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:48,160 Speaker 1: seven hundred eleven first class staterooms, seven hundred seven second 159 00:09:48,200 --> 00:09:52,040 Speaker 1: class staterooms, and five hundred seventy seven cabins for third 160 00:09:52,040 --> 00:09:57,000 Speaker 1: class passengers. Following their refit, Queen Mary and Queen Elizabeth 161 00:09:57,200 --> 00:10:01,200 Speaker 1: dominated the transatlantic passenger trade as Nard's White Stars to 162 00:10:01,360 --> 00:10:04,079 Speaker 1: ship weekly express service through the latter half of the 163 00:10:04,160 --> 00:10:07,960 Speaker 1: nineteen forties and well into the nineteen fifties. They proved 164 00:10:08,040 --> 00:10:12,600 Speaker 1: highly profitable for Kunard. In nineteen fifty eight, though, the 165 00:10:12,679 --> 00:10:16,400 Speaker 1: first transatlantic flight by a jet aircraft began a completely 166 00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:20,000 Speaker 1: new era of competition for the Canard Queens, With a 167 00:10:20,040 --> 00:10:22,600 Speaker 1: London New York travel time of just seven to eight 168 00:10:22,600 --> 00:10:26,120 Speaker 1: hours now possible. With the new aircraft, demand for a 169 00:10:26,200 --> 00:10:30,880 Speaker 1: sea crossing of the Ocean fell away markedly on some voyages. Winters, 170 00:10:30,960 --> 00:10:35,280 Speaker 1: especially Queen Mary, sailed into Harbor with more crew than passengers. 171 00:10:35,559 --> 00:10:38,600 Speaker 1: Though both she and Queen Elizabeth still averaged over a 172 00:10:38,640 --> 00:10:42,800 Speaker 1: thousand passengers per crossing into the mid nineteen sixties. By 173 00:10:42,880 --> 00:10:46,920 Speaker 1: nineteen sixty five, the entire Conard fleet was operating at 174 00:10:46,960 --> 00:10:51,080 Speaker 1: a loss. In April nineteen sixty seven, the Queen Mary 175 00:10:51,240 --> 00:10:53,720 Speaker 1: was offered for sale, and the city of Long Beach 176 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:56,640 Speaker 1: submitted the winning bid of three million, four hundred fifty 177 00:10:56,640 --> 00:11:01,079 Speaker 1: thousand dollars. Canard's grandest ship made a thirty nine day 178 00:11:01,160 --> 00:11:04,679 Speaker 1: voyage from her homeport in England across the Atlantic and 179 00:11:04,760 --> 00:11:08,600 Speaker 1: around Cape Horn to southern California. A more direct route 180 00:11:08,679 --> 00:11:11,520 Speaker 1: was impossible she was too large to fit through the 181 00:11:11,520 --> 00:11:16,240 Speaker 1: Panama Canal. In nineteen sixty seven, construction began to convert 182 00:11:16,320 --> 00:11:20,079 Speaker 1: the former ocean liner into a floating hotel and tourist attraction. 183 00:11:20,480 --> 00:11:24,080 Speaker 1: The transformation required connecting the ship's utilities and plumbing to 184 00:11:24,120 --> 00:11:28,280 Speaker 1: the land, as well as converting her to American electrical standards. 185 00:11:28,640 --> 00:11:32,440 Speaker 1: The largest project involved clearing out almost everything below our deck, 186 00:11:32,720 --> 00:11:37,160 Speaker 1: boiler rooms, the forward engine room, both turbogenerator rooms, stabilizers, 187 00:11:37,280 --> 00:11:40,280 Speaker 1: and the water softening plant to make way for a 188 00:11:40,400 --> 00:11:45,400 Speaker 1: four hundred thousand square foot museum. Fittingly Grand banquets. Spaces 189 00:11:45,440 --> 00:11:48,720 Speaker 1: were created within the main lounges and dining rooms. The 190 00:11:48,800 --> 00:11:53,320 Speaker 1: Mary opened to an enthusiastic public in May nineteen seventy one. 191 00:11:53,720 --> 00:11:57,000 Speaker 1: She was placed on the National Register of Historic Places 192 00:11:57,040 --> 00:12:01,960 Speaker 1: in Ninete. Today, the Queen features three D fourteen staterooms, 193 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:08,040 Speaker 1: including nine sweets on three decks. Other than the Curroso incident, 194 00:12:08,160 --> 00:12:12,120 Speaker 1: there were deaths on board the Queen Mary. According to documentation, 195 00:12:12,320 --> 00:12:15,720 Speaker 1: at least forty one passengers died on board over the years, 196 00:12:15,760 --> 00:12:19,959 Speaker 1: and sixteen crew members. Of course, accordingly, the ship is haunted. 197 00:12:20,160 --> 00:12:23,160 Speaker 1: It's one of the most famously haunted locations in the world. 198 00:12:24,040 --> 00:12:30,679 Speaker 1: Regularly encountered happenings include shadow figures, apparitions in full period dress, voices, 199 00:12:30,920 --> 00:12:34,040 Speaker 1: balls of light, the sounds of children giggling, and people 200 00:12:34,120 --> 00:12:38,200 Speaker 1: being touched. Over the years, many ghostly characters have developed. 201 00:12:38,240 --> 00:12:41,440 Speaker 1: Whether any of them actually coincide with documented deaths on 202 00:12:41,480 --> 00:12:45,880 Speaker 1: board is hotly debated. Probably the most famous ghost reported 203 00:12:46,000 --> 00:12:48,959 Speaker 1: is that of a little girl dubbed Jackie, who was 204 00:12:49,040 --> 00:12:52,480 Speaker 1: regularly seen in the first class pool area. She has 205 00:12:52,520 --> 00:12:55,840 Speaker 1: also been cited in one of the boiler rooms. Others 206 00:12:55,920 --> 00:12:59,560 Speaker 1: report someone named John Henry reportedly Henry worked in the 207 00:12:59,600 --> 00:13:02,440 Speaker 1: boiler room, and it was there that his remains were found. 208 00:13:02,800 --> 00:13:06,880 Speaker 1: Folks regularly reports seeing Henry's shadowy figure, some claim to 209 00:13:06,920 --> 00:13:11,080 Speaker 1: have actual conversations with him. Room B three forty is 210 00:13:11,160 --> 00:13:14,600 Speaker 1: reported to be the most notoriously haunted suite on board, 211 00:13:14,840 --> 00:13:17,559 Speaker 1: and you can even book it as such, with stories 212 00:13:17,600 --> 00:13:20,320 Speaker 1: told of a third class passenger who passed away in 213 00:13:20,360 --> 00:13:22,920 Speaker 1: the room, and then years later a woman waking to 214 00:13:22,960 --> 00:13:25,520 Speaker 1: a man standing at the foot of her bed. Again, 215 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:28,760 Speaker 1: years later, guests have reported staying in the room and 216 00:13:28,800 --> 00:13:31,960 Speaker 1: hearing knocking on the door and seeing lights mysteriously turn 217 00:13:32,040 --> 00:13:35,559 Speaker 1: on and off. But Room B three forty fun fact, 218 00:13:35,960 --> 00:13:38,400 Speaker 1: Disney was looking to turn the Queen Mary into an 219 00:13:38,400 --> 00:13:41,600 Speaker 1: extension of their empire. At one point, to demonstrate this, 220 00:13:41,920 --> 00:13:44,880 Speaker 1: they decked out an entire room with haunting things like 221 00:13:45,000 --> 00:13:47,880 Speaker 1: faucets that turned on and off, floorboards that creaked, a 222 00:13:47,920 --> 00:13:52,679 Speaker 1: holographic crew member, and more. However, the project was abandoned 223 00:13:52,800 --> 00:13:55,880 Speaker 1: and the room was left closed for many years. They 224 00:13:55,880 --> 00:13:58,679 Speaker 1: thought they had disconnected all those special effects. When they 225 00:13:58,720 --> 00:14:02,000 Speaker 1: reopened it to the public, they hadn't, and from there 226 00:14:02,240 --> 00:14:04,360 Speaker 1: the room took on a life of its own. That 227 00:14:04,559 --> 00:14:09,280 Speaker 1: Room B three forty. Speaking of special effects, I want 228 00:14:09,320 --> 00:14:12,400 Speaker 1: to chat with someone next to may surprise you. Aidan 229 00:14:12,480 --> 00:14:16,280 Speaker 1: Sinclair is a world renowned magician who, after beginning a 230 00:14:16,360 --> 00:14:19,840 Speaker 1: magic show on the Queen Mary encountered things even beyond 231 00:14:20,040 --> 00:14:23,720 Speaker 1: his explanation. He'll also fill us in on the possible 232 00:14:23,760 --> 00:14:26,200 Speaker 1: future of the ship. She's been in the headlines a 233 00:14:26,240 --> 00:14:29,200 Speaker 1: lot lately, having closed due to the pandemic with no 234 00:14:29,280 --> 00:14:48,600 Speaker 1: guarantee of reopening. That is all coming up after the break. Okay, 235 00:14:48,640 --> 00:14:51,680 Speaker 1: So I am sitting here with one of my favorite 236 00:14:51,760 --> 00:14:54,480 Speaker 1: people in the world, a person who it has been 237 00:14:55,040 --> 00:14:59,920 Speaker 1: way too long since I saw them. Thanks Pandemic of Magic. 238 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:04,920 Speaker 1: Shin Aiden Sinclair. Hello, Aiden, thanks for having me, of 239 00:15:04,960 --> 00:15:07,400 Speaker 1: course happy to you know. I often think back to 240 00:15:07,440 --> 00:15:10,360 Speaker 1: when I met you, and I remember it was years ago. 241 00:15:10,400 --> 00:15:12,320 Speaker 1: We were at the Stanley Hotel, and I feel like 242 00:15:12,320 --> 00:15:16,880 Speaker 1: it was Grant who introduced us, Grant Wilson, and I 243 00:15:16,960 --> 00:15:18,760 Speaker 1: just remember at one point it was I was having 244 00:15:18,760 --> 00:15:22,840 Speaker 1: a Strange Escapes event there and I descended the staircase 245 00:15:22,920 --> 00:15:26,440 Speaker 1: one day to see this crowd in the lobby around someone, 246 00:15:26,800 --> 00:15:29,920 Speaker 1: and as I got closer, I see this gentleman, you 247 00:15:30,680 --> 00:15:34,040 Speaker 1: like literally doing card tricks, and everyone's just like, oh 248 00:15:34,040 --> 00:15:37,480 Speaker 1: my gosh, you just just entertaining a crowd of like 249 00:15:37,480 --> 00:15:41,280 Speaker 1: twenty or thirty people in the lobby, and everyone, including myself, 250 00:15:41,520 --> 00:15:44,720 Speaker 1: we were just transfixed. So and never since I think 251 00:15:44,720 --> 00:15:46,960 Speaker 1: I had you on some strange escapes events after that, 252 00:15:47,120 --> 00:15:51,880 Speaker 1: and now you're doing like massive, just beautifully Victorian themed 253 00:15:52,240 --> 00:15:55,960 Speaker 1: Seyance type magic shows. They're just dreamy and you're doing 254 00:15:55,960 --> 00:15:59,200 Speaker 1: them at all these haunted locations. So I love watching 255 00:15:59,240 --> 00:16:02,920 Speaker 1: your work. It's been a ride, I view, and granted 256 00:16:02,960 --> 00:16:07,200 Speaker 1: thing though for taking me from a kind of magician skeptic, 257 00:16:07,280 --> 00:16:10,520 Speaker 1: which is pretty typical in the magic community, to going 258 00:16:10,520 --> 00:16:13,320 Speaker 1: out and investigating and seeing things that I have no 259 00:16:13,440 --> 00:16:17,160 Speaker 1: explanation for, which is a way cooler way to live. 260 00:16:17,600 --> 00:16:19,840 Speaker 1: It's been really neat to be able to investigate and 261 00:16:19,920 --> 00:16:22,640 Speaker 1: kind of dabble there, let's see all those things that 262 00:16:22,760 --> 00:16:25,920 Speaker 1: kind of make you wonder. Oh yeah. What I love 263 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:28,640 Speaker 1: is that you have that kind of magician mindset where 264 00:16:28,640 --> 00:16:32,240 Speaker 1: like you know how things can work and look unexplained. 265 00:16:32,440 --> 00:16:33,880 Speaker 1: It was kind of neat, Like when we had Dave 266 00:16:33,960 --> 00:16:37,400 Speaker 1: Tango on Ghost Hunters. You know, he's like a hobbyist magician, 267 00:16:37,720 --> 00:16:40,520 Speaker 1: but there's an eye there that the rest of us like, 268 00:16:40,600 --> 00:16:43,360 Speaker 1: we don't have that that kind of like I don't 269 00:16:43,360 --> 00:16:45,760 Speaker 1: want to say trickery, but you just know how things 270 00:16:45,840 --> 00:16:49,520 Speaker 1: can happen, not necessarily in a paranormal sense, and so 271 00:16:50,240 --> 00:16:53,320 Speaker 1: I find it to be very useful. It's been cool. 272 00:16:53,560 --> 00:16:57,680 Speaker 1: It was at the first Strange Escapes at Liberty and 273 00:16:57,800 --> 00:17:00,120 Speaker 1: the Bell Formal Winery was the first time I had 274 00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:03,920 Speaker 1: a paranormal experience. Was because of you. Oh well you're well, 275 00:17:04,119 --> 00:17:07,000 Speaker 1: you're short of person. And Dave Schrader was one of 276 00:17:07,040 --> 00:17:10,240 Speaker 1: the people that were supervising the group, and you teamed 277 00:17:10,240 --> 00:17:11,920 Speaker 1: me up with Trader just to kind of make sure 278 00:17:11,960 --> 00:17:15,840 Speaker 1: nobody got lost. So we went to the morgue and 279 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:18,640 Speaker 1: there was this sweet young lady there who had three 280 00:17:18,720 --> 00:17:21,840 Speaker 1: K two meters laying out and we get into the 281 00:17:21,880 --> 00:17:24,120 Speaker 1: morgue and this girl looks at Dave Trader and says, 282 00:17:24,119 --> 00:17:27,080 Speaker 1: we're talking to a boy. And t Trader was really 283 00:17:27,119 --> 00:17:28,800 Speaker 1: great with this girl and just kind of says, well, 284 00:17:28,800 --> 00:17:30,920 Speaker 1: how do you know that, and she goes, well, we're 285 00:17:30,920 --> 00:17:34,240 Speaker 1: getting this k too interaction, and then he describes how 286 00:17:34,240 --> 00:17:36,160 Speaker 1: a K two meter works and he was like, well, 287 00:17:36,200 --> 00:17:38,080 Speaker 1: you know, just because it's lighting up doesn't mean it's 288 00:17:38,080 --> 00:17:40,479 Speaker 1: a ghost. It could be someone's cell phone or radio. 289 00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:43,400 Speaker 1: And you know, you have three K two meters laying 290 00:17:43,440 --> 00:17:45,840 Speaker 1: really close to each other, so if they're all lighting up, 291 00:17:45,880 --> 00:17:48,200 Speaker 1: then they're all receiving the same signal. And this girl, 292 00:17:48,200 --> 00:17:50,760 Speaker 1: without missing a beat, looks at him and the eye 293 00:17:50,760 --> 00:17:53,800 Speaker 1: and goes, I know, and then says, can you show 294 00:17:53,920 --> 00:17:56,040 Speaker 1: Mr Schrader that you can touch just the right one? 295 00:17:56,800 --> 00:17:59,320 Speaker 1: And these things are like six inches apart, and the 296 00:17:59,400 --> 00:18:03,639 Speaker 1: right K too meter fires off like solid red, and 297 00:18:03,680 --> 00:18:07,240 Speaker 1: the other two nothing, you know, and knowing how those 298 00:18:07,280 --> 00:18:11,160 Speaker 1: things work, you're like, that shouldn't happen. So I look 299 00:18:11,200 --> 00:18:14,040 Speaker 1: at Trader, and Trader raises his eyebrow and looks at 300 00:18:14,080 --> 00:18:16,320 Speaker 1: the girl, and she goes, good job, thank you. Can 301 00:18:16,359 --> 00:18:18,000 Speaker 1: you do the one on the left now? And that 302 00:18:18,040 --> 00:18:19,960 Speaker 1: one goes, and then she goes the one in the middle, 303 00:18:20,600 --> 00:18:22,560 Speaker 1: and I look at Trader and Trader looks at me 304 00:18:22,600 --> 00:18:27,760 Speaker 1: he goes, I got nothing. But I thought about that 305 00:18:28,080 --> 00:18:33,159 Speaker 1: for weeks afterwards, of like that that shouldn't happen, that 306 00:18:33,200 --> 00:18:36,200 Speaker 1: shouldn't be a thing. And I watched it. I saw 307 00:18:36,200 --> 00:18:39,560 Speaker 1: it happen. So that put me down the rabbit hole 308 00:18:39,600 --> 00:18:42,720 Speaker 1: of just maybe there are other things. And the next 309 00:18:42,720 --> 00:18:44,240 Speaker 1: time I got to do a strange escapes and you 310 00:18:44,280 --> 00:18:45,320 Speaker 1: were like, do you want to go do a group 311 00:18:45,359 --> 00:18:48,520 Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, please, can I go do it? Well? 312 00:18:48,560 --> 00:18:51,400 Speaker 1: I love it. I love that. Now your shows are 313 00:18:51,560 --> 00:18:53,960 Speaker 1: really based in a lot of haunted locations, one of 314 00:18:54,320 --> 00:18:57,480 Speaker 1: the biggest being the Queen Mary. So can you tell 315 00:18:57,560 --> 00:19:00,760 Speaker 1: me just kind of like how you affiliated with the 316 00:19:00,840 --> 00:19:03,240 Speaker 1: Queen Mary, how your show is set up there, because 317 00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:06,560 Speaker 1: I find that fascinating. I was doing the show at 318 00:19:06,560 --> 00:19:09,560 Speaker 1: the Stanley Hotel and the hotel management company that manages 319 00:19:09,600 --> 00:19:11,920 Speaker 1: the hotel on the Queen Mary, not to be confused 320 00:19:11,960 --> 00:19:14,280 Speaker 1: with the company that managed the Queen Mary, they came 321 00:19:14,280 --> 00:19:17,000 Speaker 1: out and saw the show and made an offer, and 322 00:19:17,119 --> 00:19:19,119 Speaker 1: we moved the show from the Stanley out to the 323 00:19:19,200 --> 00:19:23,320 Speaker 1: Queen and built this really cool kind of speakeasy room. 324 00:19:23,320 --> 00:19:25,520 Speaker 1: It only sat fifty people, and I wanted this really 325 00:19:25,560 --> 00:19:28,359 Speaker 1: intimate experience, and we designed a show that was able 326 00:19:28,400 --> 00:19:30,520 Speaker 1: to tell the story of the Queen Mary, but also 327 00:19:30,600 --> 00:19:32,879 Speaker 1: the idea of hauntings. And I think a lot of 328 00:19:32,880 --> 00:19:35,639 Speaker 1: people that are outside of the paranormal world, when they 329 00:19:35,680 --> 00:19:40,000 Speaker 1: hear the word haunted, they think bad. It's just murder, suicide, 330 00:19:40,080 --> 00:19:42,520 Speaker 1: something bad must have happened. And when we built the 331 00:19:42,600 --> 00:19:44,800 Speaker 1: room on the Queen Mary, we wanted to convey that, 332 00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:47,960 Speaker 1: you know, this is a ship that sailed for twenty years, 333 00:19:47,960 --> 00:19:51,200 Speaker 1: thirty years, and any ship that big with that many 334 00:19:51,240 --> 00:19:54,280 Speaker 1: people inevitably people pass on. But it's also a place 335 00:19:54,320 --> 00:19:56,439 Speaker 1: where people got married and fell in love and had 336 00:19:56,480 --> 00:19:59,160 Speaker 1: their very first kiss. So if bad things make ghost, 337 00:19:59,240 --> 00:20:01,800 Speaker 1: maybe good things to too, you know, that would to 338 00:20:01,840 --> 00:20:04,320 Speaker 1: me explain some of the interactions that are found on 339 00:20:04,359 --> 00:20:07,760 Speaker 1: the Queen. So we did a bunch of historical research 340 00:20:07,800 --> 00:20:10,600 Speaker 1: about the people who did pass on and kind of 341 00:20:10,640 --> 00:20:13,280 Speaker 1: picked a few of those to tell stories with. And 342 00:20:13,480 --> 00:20:16,040 Speaker 1: in the concept of doing this, we also created what 343 00:20:16,160 --> 00:20:19,879 Speaker 1: has become a paranormal experiment. Initially it was just a show. 344 00:20:20,080 --> 00:20:22,359 Speaker 1: The idea is to have the audience create a ghost. 345 00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:25,560 Speaker 1: Everyone would imagine a shadow, and I would randomly pick 346 00:20:25,640 --> 00:20:28,520 Speaker 1: somebody and say is your shadow an adult or a child? 347 00:20:28,760 --> 00:20:31,560 Speaker 1: Give it no gender, just a size, and someone would 348 00:20:31,560 --> 00:20:34,440 Speaker 1: answer that question, and then we would ask the other 349 00:20:34,440 --> 00:20:36,399 Speaker 1: people in the room, you know, who else was thinking 350 00:20:36,440 --> 00:20:39,520 Speaker 1: of a child? And you'd see these hands go up 351 00:20:39,920 --> 00:20:42,480 Speaker 1: and we'd use those hands to create the ghost. We'd 352 00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:44,720 Speaker 1: basically say, is it a boy or girl? What colors 353 00:20:44,720 --> 00:20:47,200 Speaker 1: their hair or colors their eyes? How old are they? 354 00:20:47,600 --> 00:20:50,320 Speaker 1: Tell me something that this person likes, tell me something 355 00:20:50,359 --> 00:20:53,800 Speaker 1: this person doesn't like, and finally we would say what's 356 00:20:53,840 --> 00:20:57,640 Speaker 1: their name. So we start doing this, and in very 357 00:20:57,640 --> 00:21:00,440 Speaker 1: short order we realized that people are describing the same 358 00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:04,160 Speaker 1: person night after People are giving that ghost the same 359 00:21:04,280 --> 00:21:07,960 Speaker 1: name night after night. So you see it happened once, 360 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:10,680 Speaker 1: it's cool the second time, maybe a coincidence, but when 361 00:21:10,680 --> 00:21:14,520 Speaker 1: it happens twelve or thirteen times, you can't not watch 362 00:21:14,600 --> 00:21:18,320 Speaker 1: that happen and go like, where is that answer coming from? 363 00:21:18,520 --> 00:21:23,280 Speaker 1: Is there something here that is actually subconsciously manipulating people 364 00:21:23,359 --> 00:21:27,160 Speaker 1: to respond to us. So that's how it kind of grew, 365 00:21:27,680 --> 00:21:29,639 Speaker 1: and it's cool to be able to do that in 366 00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:32,760 Speaker 1: a place that's filled with a lot of legend and myth. 367 00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:36,359 Speaker 1: But after maybe a month, we found ourselves doing a 368 00:21:36,359 --> 00:21:40,199 Speaker 1: lot more investigating after the shows, and also doing a 369 00:21:40,200 --> 00:21:45,240 Speaker 1: lot of kind of educating people. There's resident paranormal investigators 370 00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:47,160 Speaker 1: that have gone to the Queen for a long long time, 371 00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:49,360 Speaker 1: and they've gotten to the point where they've made up 372 00:21:49,359 --> 00:21:52,960 Speaker 1: stories about things that never happened, and once those things 373 00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:55,480 Speaker 1: go out on the internet, they become true for people. 374 00:21:55,720 --> 00:21:57,920 Speaker 1: So that's also a challenge of to be able to 375 00:21:57,960 --> 00:22:00,800 Speaker 1: go like, hey, nothing that ever happened in that space, 376 00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:04,840 Speaker 1: or you know, the Jackie story is probably the most famous, 377 00:22:05,320 --> 00:22:08,000 Speaker 1: and so Jackie is the little girl right in the 378 00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:11,480 Speaker 1: pool room, like, I've heard that story for years. It's 379 00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:14,480 Speaker 1: an amazing story if people have these interactions with a 380 00:22:14,520 --> 00:22:18,119 Speaker 1: little girl. The name Jackie comes up in estes method now. 381 00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:21,800 Speaker 1: But the story because there's these interactions of this child 382 00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:23,800 Speaker 1: has always been a negative story. People like, oh, it's 383 00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:26,359 Speaker 1: a little girl that drowned in the pool. Well, the 384 00:22:26,440 --> 00:22:30,280 Speaker 1: Queen Mary kept really good records and that never happened, right, 385 00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:33,439 Speaker 1: there's no record of the drowning at all. The person 386 00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:35,960 Speaker 1: who first started telling that story a long time ago 387 00:22:36,520 --> 00:22:39,760 Speaker 1: was somebody who was a psychic, and they said that 388 00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:43,280 Speaker 1: that's what happened, so it became true. The kicker is 389 00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:45,639 Speaker 1: when you say that no little girl drowned in the 390 00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:47,840 Speaker 1: pool is people who go like, well, there's a Jackie, 391 00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:50,600 Speaker 1: And to say that she didn't drown doesn't mean that 392 00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:54,120 Speaker 1: she doesn't exist. It just means that she didn't die 393 00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:57,639 Speaker 1: that way. Right, you know, So we would tell her 394 00:22:57,680 --> 00:23:01,920 Speaker 1: story a great deal, and because it interacts as an 395 00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:05,040 Speaker 1: intelligent haunting, I wouldn't want to think that an intelligent 396 00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:08,399 Speaker 1: child would remain in the place where such a horrible 397 00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:11,320 Speaker 1: thing happened. So we would tell her story and then 398 00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:13,480 Speaker 1: kind of convey to people if you were to think 399 00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:15,960 Speaker 1: back to your childhood, do you remember what it was 400 00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:19,040 Speaker 1: like the first time you ever dove, first time you 401 00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:21,520 Speaker 1: dove and you got it right, and how happy you 402 00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:24,720 Speaker 1: were and that moment of joy And for some people 403 00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:28,040 Speaker 1: maybe that's the happiest moment they ever have. Or you know, 404 00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:31,120 Speaker 1: maybe Jackie was playing marco polo with a little boy 405 00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:34,200 Speaker 1: in that pool, you know, on some voyage, and twenty 406 00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:36,600 Speaker 1: years later, maybe that little boy in her got married. 407 00:23:37,119 --> 00:23:39,720 Speaker 1: So there are other reasons for her to be drawn 408 00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:42,600 Speaker 1: to that place. We talk about that a lot. Actually, 409 00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:46,359 Speaker 1: our theory a lot is that these imprints can happen 410 00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:49,440 Speaker 1: not necessarily from tragedy, like you can feel just as 411 00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:52,439 Speaker 1: strongly about a tragic moment as you can about a 412 00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:55,640 Speaker 1: happy or positive one. And then there's also the idea 413 00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:57,000 Speaker 1: and I I don't know how you feel about this, but 414 00:23:57,080 --> 00:24:00,640 Speaker 1: the idea that maybe Jackie has been kind of willed 415 00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:04,000 Speaker 1: into existence from so many people believing in her. You know, 416 00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:06,840 Speaker 1: we've seen that before too. I've been investigating the Queen 417 00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:10,040 Speaker 1: Mary for a very long time. I don't want to 418 00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:12,959 Speaker 1: say like it's been a long time, and I know 419 00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:14,919 Speaker 1: I have sat in that pool room. I'm not sure 420 00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:16,680 Speaker 1: if it's open or going to be open again to 421 00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:18,280 Speaker 1: the public, but I have sat in there in the 422 00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:20,919 Speaker 1: dark trying to talk to Jackie, just really wanting to 423 00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:23,280 Speaker 1: hear from Jackie and thinking about Jackie and what happened 424 00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:26,960 Speaker 1: to Jackie. Multiply that by, however, many thousands of people 425 00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:29,919 Speaker 1: go into that space thinking that, and you might just 426 00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:32,880 Speaker 1: get a Jackie even if there was never a Jackie. 427 00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:36,600 Speaker 1: And we found that with is it be three forty? 428 00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:39,680 Speaker 1: You know, you guys did an STA session in there 429 00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:43,719 Speaker 1: on your Last Strange Escapes, and the New Kirks did 430 00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:46,760 Speaker 1: a session in there. That room is crazy active, like 431 00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:50,360 Speaker 1: there's people have stuff happening there, And there's always been 432 00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:52,359 Speaker 1: this legend of like, oh, somebody was murdered in b 433 00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:54,879 Speaker 1: three forty, or something bad happened in Big three forty. 434 00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:57,320 Speaker 1: The true story would be three forty is that when 435 00:24:57,320 --> 00:25:00,080 Speaker 1: Disney owned the ship. It was a haunted attraction, and 436 00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:02,680 Speaker 1: they put special effects in that room, things that would 437 00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:05,480 Speaker 1: open doors and knock, and you know, it was kind 438 00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:08,600 Speaker 1: of a spook show kind of experience. And then Disney 439 00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:10,800 Speaker 1: left the ship, and when they left the ship, they 440 00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:13,280 Speaker 1: did not turn any of that off. They literally just left. 441 00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:17,800 Speaker 1: So the new company comes in and people book this room, 442 00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:21,600 Speaker 1: and weird stuff is happening, and so many people are 443 00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:23,760 Speaker 1: being asked. You know, they're basically saying, I'm not staying 444 00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:26,080 Speaker 1: in this room. The doors keep opening, this is happening, 445 00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:28,520 Speaker 1: this is happening. So they decided to close the room 446 00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:30,720 Speaker 1: to the public, and this ledgend grows at the rooms 447 00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:33,040 Speaker 1: truly haunted. And then they got the room. They take 448 00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:35,919 Speaker 1: all of the you know, the drywall off the walls, 449 00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:39,480 Speaker 1: and they find all this stuff control panels and special 450 00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:43,280 Speaker 1: effects and realized that this was all made by man. 451 00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:46,720 Speaker 1: But now nobody wants to stay there. So a few 452 00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:50,119 Speaker 1: years ago they redesigned the room and they make it 453 00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:52,520 Speaker 1: a room once more and go, hey, come stay in 454 00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:56,080 Speaker 1: the famous haunted b three forty and now real stuff 455 00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:58,720 Speaker 1: is happening there. All the special effects are gone, but 456 00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:01,800 Speaker 1: people go in there for lots of different reasons. And 457 00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:03,600 Speaker 1: I hate to say this, but like once a night 458 00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:06,480 Speaker 1: I would meet somebody on the ship that would book 459 00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:09,200 Speaker 1: three forty or book some other room on B deck 460 00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:12,240 Speaker 1: because of its reputation. And they were people that were 461 00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:15,000 Speaker 1: recently bereaved, people that lost a loved one and had 462 00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:17,480 Speaker 1: this idea of, like, you know what, the Queen Mary 463 00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:19,840 Speaker 1: has haunted, I'm going to go stay in this haunted 464 00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:22,320 Speaker 1: room and then maybe I can talk to my husband, 465 00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:27,320 Speaker 1: my wife. And it's heartbreaking to meet those people. But 466 00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:29,760 Speaker 1: so many people have now gone into B three forty 467 00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:32,960 Speaker 1: and brought stuff with them. I think that's part of 468 00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:36,560 Speaker 1: the reason why there's those interactions is not that something 469 00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:39,480 Speaker 1: bad happened there, something good happened there. It's that every 470 00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:41,879 Speaker 1: person who stays in there brings stuff with them, you know. 471 00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:43,960 Speaker 1: And oh yeah, and I can tell you it has 472 00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:47,560 Speaker 1: such a reputation. Like I know my friend Julie Tremaine, 473 00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:50,160 Speaker 1: who I let her have that room to write a story. 474 00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:52,720 Speaker 1: She's a writer. She helped write my book, and I 475 00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:54,760 Speaker 1: let her stay in that room one night after Strange 476 00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:57,520 Speaker 1: Escapes was done with it so she could write a 477 00:26:57,520 --> 00:27:00,960 Speaker 1: story about staying and B three forty and she was like, 478 00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:05,120 Speaker 1: obviously it was scary, but she said her favorite part 479 00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:08,600 Speaker 1: of it was scaring people all night because people would 480 00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:11,760 Speaker 1: come and stand outside the door and they'd be like, 481 00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:13,840 Speaker 1: this is the room and they wouldn't realize someone was 482 00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:15,560 Speaker 1: in it, and she would bang on the door and 483 00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:18,720 Speaker 1: they go running down the hallway, And so they should 484 00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:21,600 Speaker 1: advertise that part of it too, because that sounds equally 485 00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:26,520 Speaker 1: as fun. Yeah, it's so, what is the status of 486 00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:28,480 Speaker 1: the Queen Mary right now? It's been in the news 487 00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:31,440 Speaker 1: so much like, do you know what's happening there? It's 488 00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:34,359 Speaker 1: really good news. We know more than we're allowed to say. 489 00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:37,320 Speaker 1: So the upside is is that's a good thing is 490 00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:39,919 Speaker 1: that they're working on getting our back open. Right now, 491 00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:43,320 Speaker 1: they're removing all of the lifeboats from the Queen and that's, 492 00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:45,720 Speaker 1: you know, caused a little bit of uproars some votes 493 00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:48,120 Speaker 1: because they want the boats to stay there. But those 494 00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:51,040 Speaker 1: boats were designed to hang the hats for as long 495 00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:54,399 Speaker 1: as they've been there, and the weight of them is 496 00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:58,720 Speaker 1: extreme and it's starting to pull the davit out structure. 497 00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:01,920 Speaker 1: So before the ship can reopen, they're doing some repairs 498 00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:04,600 Speaker 1: on her. They're taking those lifeboats off, they're going to 499 00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:07,720 Speaker 1: be replaced with a lightweight replica, so the Queen will 500 00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:10,040 Speaker 1: still have her look. But a lot of people don't 501 00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:12,159 Speaker 1: realize that of all the lifeboats that are hanging on 502 00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:14,240 Speaker 1: the Queen only two of them are original to the 503 00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:16,240 Speaker 1: Queen Mary. The rest of them came from other boats, 504 00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:20,160 Speaker 1: and the two original ones are being preserved and they'll 505 00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:23,000 Speaker 1: be put on display inside the Queen Mary, so you'll 506 00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:24,680 Speaker 1: actually still be able to visit them, and they'll still 507 00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:27,639 Speaker 1: be there um and that history won't go away. But 508 00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:31,040 Speaker 1: before people can go back and visit, and you know, 509 00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:33,320 Speaker 1: she has to be structurally sound and safe. She's been 510 00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:37,199 Speaker 1: closed for two years, and unfortunately she's not like a 511 00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:39,480 Speaker 1: building where you just unlock it and turn on the lights. 512 00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:41,440 Speaker 1: There's a lot of little things that they have to 513 00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:44,800 Speaker 1: do to get it open, and it will probably take 514 00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:47,320 Speaker 1: you a little bit of time to rehire everybody back 515 00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:50,920 Speaker 1: and get the place up and running again. You know, 516 00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:53,760 Speaker 1: as someone who has been kind of in the bowels 517 00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:56,440 Speaker 1: of that ship, I feel like common areas, what you 518 00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:59,360 Speaker 1: can see in the public is pretty well polished, but 519 00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:03,040 Speaker 1: when you start getting down into areas that are not open, 520 00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:07,360 Speaker 1: you can really see just how much deterioration has happened, 521 00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:10,960 Speaker 1: and like you know it, it makes you realize, like 522 00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:13,640 Speaker 1: what they are up against. So I think it's a 523 00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:16,840 Speaker 1: feat that she's reopening, and I think it's important, what 524 00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:19,000 Speaker 1: an important piece of history. And I did want to 525 00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:22,000 Speaker 1: talk about my wildest paranormal experience that I had there 526 00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:24,200 Speaker 1: and get your take on it. This was years and 527 00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:26,840 Speaker 1: years ago. I was in the boiler room, and this 528 00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:30,160 Speaker 1: was before they had kind of made the boiler room 529 00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:33,280 Speaker 1: a spot on the tour. So this was before there 530 00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:35,440 Speaker 1: were any walkways. It was like you went down there 531 00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:39,080 Speaker 1: at your own risk and there were no lights, nothing, 532 00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:42,520 Speaker 1: And so I went down there. We were doing an event. 533 00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:44,840 Speaker 1: This was years before even Strange Escapes, was before I 534 00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:47,000 Speaker 1: was even on TV or any of that. I went 535 00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:50,840 Speaker 1: down there with another investigator and we were basically just 536 00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:53,600 Speaker 1: kind of trying to plan the investigation and like the 537 00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:57,520 Speaker 1: path that was the safest for our attendees because it 538 00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:00,040 Speaker 1: was kind of treacherous down there, and so we you 539 00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:03,560 Speaker 1: were making our way back out and I had some 540 00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:05,760 Speaker 1: sort of light, so it's like a lantern in my flashlight, 541 00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:10,120 Speaker 1: and I saw distinctly the figure of this man walk 542 00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:14,920 Speaker 1: right by us. But it wasn't a whole person. This 543 00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:18,479 Speaker 1: was like a partial apparition, Like it literally kind of 544 00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:22,040 Speaker 1: went like part of his head, part of his torso 545 00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:25,000 Speaker 1: and like his right arm down to like his right hip, 546 00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:27,760 Speaker 1: and the rest of him was not there. But he 547 00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:31,400 Speaker 1: was walking very purposefully, did not see me. He was bald. 548 00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:34,080 Speaker 1: I could literally see sweat on the back of his 549 00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:38,840 Speaker 1: head and like brown overall type jumpsuit thing he was wearing. 550 00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:43,640 Speaker 1: And he just walked by and I went I was 551 00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:48,440 Speaker 1: like in shock, and I asked the person with me, 552 00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:50,560 Speaker 1: I'm like, did you just see that? He's like, what 553 00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:53,800 Speaker 1: the hell was that like? And I was like, I 554 00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:56,120 Speaker 1: don't know what that was. I've never seen anything like 555 00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:58,480 Speaker 1: that in my life because we just had like the flashlight, 556 00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:01,600 Speaker 1: but it was so distinct and the most bizarre thing. 557 00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:03,920 Speaker 1: Now I realized it was like a partial apparition, but 558 00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:07,280 Speaker 1: it just had such a defined cut off. And so 559 00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:12,360 Speaker 1: I then heard after this happened that there is a 560 00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:14,560 Speaker 1: spirit there. I feel like I can't remember the names 561 00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:17,000 Speaker 1: either Henry or Harry or like this report of a 562 00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:20,520 Speaker 1: man who potentially died. Have you heard about this as 563 00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:23,320 Speaker 1: anyone else seen this thing? Because we're lucky that I 564 00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:28,440 Speaker 1: am still an investigator after experience. It's actually like the 565 00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:32,360 Speaker 1: appearance of apparitions on the ship is a pretty common thing, 566 00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:35,440 Speaker 1: Like people see stuff like that all the time. I 567 00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:38,200 Speaker 1: think it's diminished in the boiler room since it's become 568 00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:41,840 Speaker 1: open to the public. Right, it's weird to me, Like 569 00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:44,080 Speaker 1: I think the Stanley is the same way. In the summer, 570 00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:46,560 Speaker 1: when the hotel is really busy, the activity goes way 571 00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:50,040 Speaker 1: way down, but when it's quieter, it seems to go up. 572 00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:52,680 Speaker 1: And I don't know why that is, but you're not 573 00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:55,880 Speaker 1: the first to see it or encounter it. And I 574 00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:58,400 Speaker 1: think it's something that because it's in this pattern of 575 00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:00,720 Speaker 1: always walking back and forth and people kind of see 576 00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:03,120 Speaker 1: him in the same spot that I do think it's 577 00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:05,400 Speaker 1: more of a residual thing of someone that's still going 578 00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:09,440 Speaker 1: about their job because there's never been really intelligent interactions 579 00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:12,600 Speaker 1: down there. Yeah, we get very frustrated because there's so 580 00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:14,240 Speaker 1: much stealing the ship. We always want to go do 581 00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:16,600 Speaker 1: st just down there, and you can't get a there's 582 00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:20,720 Speaker 1: no radio, you know, you canignal down there. But it's 583 00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:24,160 Speaker 1: an amazing place, So I'm not surprised that you had that. 584 00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:25,480 Speaker 1: And I think it's pretty cool that you had the 585 00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:28,400 Speaker 1: experience of actually getting to see it. Yeah, I mean 586 00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:31,240 Speaker 1: it was shocking. The same thing kind of happens in 587 00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:33,320 Speaker 1: B three forty when you're talking about doing like the 588 00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:36,160 Speaker 1: Method or the spirit Box experiment. It's like this kind 589 00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:40,480 Speaker 1: of you get very little radio feed in there. It 590 00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:43,160 Speaker 1: is mostly white noise, so when you hear a voice 591 00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:46,080 Speaker 1: coming out of it, it's very distinct and very strange. 592 00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:50,920 Speaker 1: So just wild. Where you did your show on the ship, 593 00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:53,280 Speaker 1: that area, Like I remember when you showed me that 594 00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:55,400 Speaker 1: and you're like, I'm making this into a theater. I 595 00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:58,040 Speaker 1: was like, I don't know how you're doing that because 596 00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:01,320 Speaker 1: that area is known to be haunted. Before you did that, 597 00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:04,400 Speaker 1: like we investigated in that space, it was just not used. 598 00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:07,360 Speaker 1: What was the effect of that when they were renovating 599 00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:10,160 Speaker 1: that and things. Did you have things happening? Obviously you're 600 00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:11,880 Speaker 1: doing a magic show, but there had to have been 601 00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:14,920 Speaker 1: things that went on that you were not facilitating. No, 602 00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:18,280 Speaker 1: they started probably the first week, the first week of 603 00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:20,840 Speaker 1: the show. These two ladies, they were sisters, and they 604 00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:23,760 Speaker 1: were sitting next to this one curtain and as they 605 00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:26,160 Speaker 1: were leaving, you know, I always tried to see everybody 606 00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:28,240 Speaker 1: when they leave the theater, and this woman stops and said, 607 00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:29,720 Speaker 1: you know, thank you so much. That was a lot 608 00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:32,200 Speaker 1: of fun. And they turned to start to walk away, 609 00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:35,200 Speaker 1: and she felt compelled to turn back around, and she says, 610 00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:37,000 Speaker 1: you know what I like best that you did a 611 00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:38,640 Speaker 1: couple of things in the show that only one or 612 00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:42,600 Speaker 1: two people could see, like it was special just for them, 613 00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:45,280 Speaker 1: and we don't do that, like we want everyone to 614 00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:48,280 Speaker 1: see everything. So I said, what do you mean and 615 00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:52,200 Speaker 1: she goes, oh, we just really appreciated the sailor. And 616 00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:54,360 Speaker 1: they said excuse me, and she was like, you know, 617 00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:56,800 Speaker 1: and she's like winking at me, like she, you know, 618 00:33:56,920 --> 00:33:59,120 Speaker 1: is in on the secret. She goes, the guy in 619 00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:01,360 Speaker 1: the sailor suit that you know, was dressed up like 620 00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:04,280 Speaker 1: a nineteen thirties sailor who peeks out from behind the curtain, 621 00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:08,440 Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, and where she saw that there's no access. 622 00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:11,080 Speaker 1: There is nobody dressed up, and there's absolutely no way 623 00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:14,080 Speaker 1: for human being to get there. There's none. And my 624 00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:17,000 Speaker 1: fiance and I just are looking at this woman and 625 00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:19,480 Speaker 1: my fiance is about to say like, oh my god, 626 00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:21,040 Speaker 1: and I just looked at her, So I'm glad you 627 00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:23,640 Speaker 1: enjoyed that, and she walked away. You know, I have 628 00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:27,360 Speaker 1: full body chills like at that this one section, and 629 00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:29,239 Speaker 1: I would see it from the stage. People sitting in 630 00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:31,200 Speaker 1: a certain part of the theater would always be turning 631 00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:34,320 Speaker 1: their head and looking down this hallway, and then afterwards 632 00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:37,319 Speaker 1: they would say they saw people our bartender. One night, 633 00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:39,719 Speaker 1: probably the third or fourth week, at the end of 634 00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:42,200 Speaker 1: the show, she came up to and says, did that 635 00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:44,680 Speaker 1: guy not like the show? And we go what guy? 636 00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:46,120 Speaker 1: And she goes, well, there was a guy in a 637 00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:49,760 Speaker 1: gray suit that left like ten minutes into the show, 638 00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:52,840 Speaker 1: and from the stage, you can't leave the room without 639 00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:55,600 Speaker 1: me seeing you. And nobody was wearing a gray suit. 640 00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:58,319 Speaker 1: Nobody was dressed like that, and nobody had left the 641 00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:00,400 Speaker 1: theater during the show, and we were like, carry nobody 642 00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:04,680 Speaker 1: left and she didn't see and you know, she saw 643 00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:07,520 Speaker 1: a human being as three dimensional, as real as anybody else. 644 00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:09,600 Speaker 1: But the guy didn't say anything to her, just walked out. 645 00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:14,239 Speaker 1: But we started investigating in the space after that, and 646 00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:16,640 Speaker 1: we kind of took every lesson that we've ever learned 647 00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:19,239 Speaker 1: from you and Grant and Adam, and we put it 648 00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:22,880 Speaker 1: all to work and we started really using k two 649 00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:27,120 Speaker 1: ands this method in the space, and we filmed everyone 650 00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:29,719 Speaker 1: because we wanted to like have we want to have 651 00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:31,480 Speaker 1: a record that we could go back and go, Okay, 652 00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:35,080 Speaker 1: this is consistent, this isn't. So we would investigate with 653 00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:38,000 Speaker 1: about twelve people late at night and back on my 654 00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:41,399 Speaker 1: fiance and I would we would demonstrate ESTs, and then 655 00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:42,920 Speaker 1: we would try to get out of it, you know, 656 00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:47,080 Speaker 1: and just let the participants do everything right. Mainly because 657 00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:49,680 Speaker 1: I'm a magician, I felt like, if anything happens and 658 00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:51,440 Speaker 1: I'm the cause of it, people will see it as 659 00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:53,799 Speaker 1: a trick. But if you just I want them to 660 00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:56,560 Speaker 1: do it. So we started doing that. But when we 661 00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:59,480 Speaker 1: would do investigations, we would tell the guests nothing. We 662 00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:02,560 Speaker 1: wouldn't anybody about previous experiences. We wouldn't tell them what 663 00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:06,040 Speaker 1: to expect, because if you tell somebody a name and 664 00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:08,640 Speaker 1: then that name suddenly comes out of estus, you've kind 665 00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:11,960 Speaker 1: of spoiled the source of it, right. So we started 666 00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:15,120 Speaker 1: filming these and the interactions were profound, to the point 667 00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:18,480 Speaker 1: that we were having full conversations with someone and over 668 00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:20,919 Speaker 1: the course of a year it became a relationship. Because 669 00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:23,319 Speaker 1: this was something that we were doing at least once 670 00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:26,080 Speaker 1: a week, if not two or three. It turned into 671 00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:28,480 Speaker 1: something I think was a huge advantage in the sense 672 00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:31,400 Speaker 1: that most paranormal investigators save up for a year just 673 00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:34,520 Speaker 1: to go investigate one place and they only get a 674 00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:37,919 Speaker 1: couple of days there. This was like investigating your own home, 675 00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:41,919 Speaker 1: you know, so you know what's normal and what feels right, 676 00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:43,840 Speaker 1: and you know what I mean, like just the vibes 677 00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:46,560 Speaker 1: of the place is different. Yeah, And I mean that's 678 00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:49,359 Speaker 1: a powerful tool to have that ability to kind of 679 00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:51,640 Speaker 1: reinvestigate it over and over again, because, like you were saying, 680 00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:54,839 Speaker 1: you do build a relationship or almost a friendship, and 681 00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:57,480 Speaker 1: that might be something. I mean, I'm just speculating what 682 00:36:57,560 --> 00:36:59,279 Speaker 1: life is like on the other side or for a 683 00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:01,920 Speaker 1: ghost or spirit. But if they come to expect that, 684 00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:04,120 Speaker 1: can you imagine like what a joy that is in 685 00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:06,839 Speaker 1: their routine all of a sudden that's something new to them. Oh, 686 00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:09,239 Speaker 1: I can go here at this time these nights, and 687 00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:11,440 Speaker 1: these people are familiar with are there and we can 688 00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:14,040 Speaker 1: have a conversation. Some of the places I've been to 689 00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:16,680 Speaker 1: over and over again, I've actually gotten e vps of 690 00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:19,200 Speaker 1: them saying my name not to intimate me would be 691 00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:22,000 Speaker 1: like hi, Amy, like they remember me having that and 692 00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:24,560 Speaker 1: the Queen Mary is like a major job perk. I 693 00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:27,239 Speaker 1: would say it was heartbreaking. The first time we investigated 694 00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:29,600 Speaker 1: down on the ropehold, we had somebody else in est 695 00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:31,239 Speaker 1: us you know, just this. I think it was a 696 00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:33,520 Speaker 1: journalist that was there just to kind of do a 697 00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:36,920 Speaker 1: story on us. And this guy's in the headphones and 698 00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:39,680 Speaker 1: we started asking questions and the answers that we got 699 00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:42,440 Speaker 1: initially was you know, as anybody here, would you like 700 00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:45,959 Speaker 1: to talk to us? And it was go away? Would 701 00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:49,120 Speaker 1: you please go away? And we're like, yeah, we'll leave 702 00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:51,439 Speaker 1: your space if you're not comfortable with us being here. 703 00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:54,520 Speaker 1: And the next thing the guy in Esta says is, 704 00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:58,200 Speaker 1: I'm sick of doing tricks. You want me to do tricks. 705 00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:00,920 Speaker 1: I'm not here to do tricks. I live here. M h. 706 00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:03,279 Speaker 1: It just punches you in the face because you think 707 00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:05,600 Speaker 1: of how many people have walked through that space in 708 00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:08,560 Speaker 1: the last twenty years, thirty years and did shaven a 709 00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:11,160 Speaker 1: haircut on the bulkhead. I mean, I try to tell 710 00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:13,640 Speaker 1: people that all the time. This is not a show 711 00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:16,640 Speaker 1: for you. You're talking to a real human being potentially 712 00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:19,480 Speaker 1: who's in a situation that we can't even begin to 713 00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:22,760 Speaker 1: fathom they're not here to knock for you or perform 714 00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:26,400 Speaker 1: for you. You were here to help them or bring 715 00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:30,000 Speaker 1: them some comfort. I think that's the perfect analogy and 716 00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:32,480 Speaker 1: way to demonstrate it. But I've seen that many times 717 00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:35,000 Speaker 1: in overly investigated places, and I think it's fair, Like, 718 00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:37,799 Speaker 1: I get it. I understand how that happens. People go 719 00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:41,479 Speaker 1: in wanting to be scared. They think it's cool, We've 720 00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:44,319 Speaker 1: all done it. It's fine, we've all been there. But 721 00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:46,400 Speaker 1: it's something that I think if you're truly interested in 722 00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:49,560 Speaker 1: the paranormal and ghosts, it's very smart to kind of 723 00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:52,880 Speaker 1: move past that and humanize them. Well, I'm glad you 724 00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:55,239 Speaker 1: guys were there for that. It was incredible because they 725 00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:57,960 Speaker 1: literally was you know, Becca is very sweet. And the 726 00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:00,239 Speaker 1: other thing was crazy, is like I dress, you know, 727 00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:03,320 Speaker 1: in suits and ties and hats and look like I 728 00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:05,959 Speaker 1: walked out of the nineteen thirties, and Becca's does the same. 729 00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:09,080 Speaker 1: She wears vintage and her hairs and victory roles. And 730 00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:11,920 Speaker 1: when we investigate on the Queen Mary and we're dressed 731 00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:14,360 Speaker 1: that way, we have interactions. The few times that we 732 00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:16,640 Speaker 1: try to investigate on like a day off and showed 733 00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:20,040 Speaker 1: up in jeans and a hoodie. Nothing. Well, this is 734 00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:22,560 Speaker 1: exciting for me next time I go to the Queen Mary. 735 00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:26,400 Speaker 1: But it was a little cosplay involved. I love. I 736 00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:29,359 Speaker 1: don't know if it's just a familiar thing, but I 737 00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:32,279 Speaker 1: think it helps. I think it helps, you know. I 738 00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:35,480 Speaker 1: think there is something to adding that kind of humanistic triggers. 739 00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:37,640 Speaker 1: They're a little more comfortable if you look like who 740 00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:40,279 Speaker 1: you're supposed to look like. I love that. So now 741 00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:42,640 Speaker 1: tell me how can people find you? What are you 742 00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:45,560 Speaker 1: doing now? I can't keep track of you? So if 743 00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:49,080 Speaker 1: people want to come see Aiden Sinclair work his magic, 744 00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:51,360 Speaker 1: where do they go? Where do they find your schedule? 745 00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:54,560 Speaker 1: Right now, we are at the Stanley Hotel and we 746 00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:57,440 Speaker 1: have a brand new theater there called Aiden Sinclair's Underground, 747 00:39:57,480 --> 00:39:59,959 Speaker 1: and it's kind of a speakeasy behind the bookcase see 748 00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:02,799 Speaker 1: great theater. That's seventy people and we do shows over 749 00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:06,400 Speaker 1: the winner Friday, Saturday and Sunday and over Memorial Day 750 00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:09,920 Speaker 1: to Halloween. The room runs seven days a week. We 751 00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:12,960 Speaker 1: bring out guest acts from the Magic Castle and from 752 00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:15,600 Speaker 1: the Edinburgh Fringe Fest, so it's become this place where 753 00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:17,560 Speaker 1: some of the finest magicians in the world appear over 754 00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:21,560 Speaker 1: the summer and they're just incredible shows. And when we're 755 00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:23,359 Speaker 1: not doing that, we're in the process of getting our 756 00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:25,399 Speaker 1: room back open on the Queen Mary, which we hope 757 00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:28,359 Speaker 1: to see back in business by the end of the year. 758 00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:32,200 Speaker 1: So that's the little bit of news for Queen Mary aficionados. 759 00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:34,920 Speaker 1: I think that you'll find yourself walk in our decks 760 00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:37,120 Speaker 1: by the time of the year ends. I think it'll 761 00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:39,440 Speaker 1: be a slow and staged opening and it might be 762 00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:41,759 Speaker 1: a little while before the hotel opens, but she is 763 00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:44,120 Speaker 1: going to come back to life and she's gonna, i think, 764 00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:46,839 Speaker 1: be very happy to see people return. And then around 765 00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:49,560 Speaker 1: the Halloween season we're usually around the Winchester Mystery House 766 00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:53,439 Speaker 1: as well, so it's been an adventure living the dream. Well, 767 00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:56,960 Speaker 1: you know, I'm excited to hopefully see you again very soon. 768 00:40:57,600 --> 00:41:00,319 Speaker 1: I really appreciate you taking the time to at all 769 00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:03,200 Speaker 1: things Queen Mary with us, so friends, if you're listening, 770 00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:06,280 Speaker 1: please go see Aidan. I promise you will not be disappointed. 771 00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:09,200 Speaker 1: He's also just one of the nicest people you could know. 772 00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:11,400 Speaker 1: So thank you so much, aid and I appreciate it. 773 00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:15,000 Speaker 1: Any time and safe travels and hopefully we see you soon. 774 00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:25,280 Speaker 1: The Queen Mary certainly has it all. History, beauty, ghosts, 775 00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:29,080 Speaker 1: at least one X Files episode filmed on board, and 776 00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:33,240 Speaker 1: a knack for continuing to defy the odds. It's funny 777 00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:35,799 Speaker 1: how often I come across places like this in my 778 00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:39,640 Speaker 1: line of work, massive undertakings that stand out not just 779 00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:43,040 Speaker 1: as a bit of history, but a home for ghosts. 780 00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:46,680 Speaker 1: Makes me think of her right now, quietly in the harbor, 781 00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:52,279 Speaker 1: no guests, no regular employees, just silence. Or is there 782 00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:56,000 Speaker 1: something tells me, even without the presence of the living, 783 00:41:56,320 --> 00:42:00,720 Speaker 1: the Queen Mary is very much awake and awaiting our return. 784 00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:18,680 Speaker 1: I'm Amy Bruney and this was Haunted Road. Haunted Road 785 00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:21,080 Speaker 1: is a production of I Heart Radio and Grimm and 786 00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:24,880 Speaker 1: Mild from Aaron Mankey. The podcast is written and hosted 787 00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:29,920 Speaker 1: by Amy Bruney. Executive producers include Aaron Manky, Alex Williams, 788 00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:33,399 Speaker 1: and Matt Frederick. The show is produced by rema Ill 789 00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:38,319 Speaker 1: Kali and Trevor Young. Research by Taylor Haggerdorn, Amy Bruney 790 00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:41,800 Speaker 1: and Robin Miniter. For more podcasts from I Heart Radio, 791 00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:45,440 Speaker 1: visit the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever 792 00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:46,640 Speaker 1: you get your podcasts.