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Speaker 1: fighting back against America's crime wave. You don't have to

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Speaker 1: with you in your car driving dangers. I want you

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Speaker 1: to meet who I now consider a friend of mine.

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Speaker 1: Her name is Dorothy Baker. She's a mother of six,

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Speaker 1: First of all, Dorothy Baker, thank you so much for

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Speaker 1: of course, Dorothy Baker. Jim Elliott, lawyer with Butler Snow.

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Speaker 1: You can find him at Butler snow dot com. Karen Stark,

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Speaker 1: New York psychologists joining us from Manhattan at Karen Stark

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Speaker 1: dot com. Steve Lampley, detective author of twelve and Murdered

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Speaker 1: and Star and You Showed Poisonous Liaisons on the True

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Speaker 1: Crime Network. Joseph Scott Morgan, Tom Paterri, America's leading personal

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Speaker 1: safety expert, author of Tampa Terri's Personal Protection Handbook and

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Speaker 1: it's awesome. And to Ray Kiputo, lead news anchor w

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Speaker 1: DBO Orlando. You know, Ray Kaputo, We're gonna get to

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Speaker 1: the rest of Dorothy's story. But crimes on people in

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Speaker 1: Ray Kaputo. Nancy and the Orlando area here is it's NonStop.

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Speaker 1: We have I four tons of traffic, people always get around,

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Speaker 1: So Dorothy, what happened next? I drive away and my son,

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Speaker 1: if there are predators around every corner because Nancy reality

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Speaker 1: is is that there are crime stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 1: Guys we're talking about, don't be a victim fighting back

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Speaker 1: against America's Crime Wave, a new book that took over

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Speaker 1: two years to write. For you to take back the

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Speaker 1: power and fight back against criminals, don't be a statistic.

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Speaker 1: Jenna Zipton WSLS tells us the story of Heather she Can.

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Speaker 1: An investigation underway after a woman was found dead in

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Speaker 1: a vehicle in Spotsylvania County deputy has discovered twenty one

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Speaker 1: year old Heather Scone's body in the passenger seat of

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Speaker 1: her car Monday. The car was parked at the end

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Speaker 1: of a driveway about thirty minutes from her home. Police

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Speaker 1: say she had been shot at Her death is suspicious.

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Speaker 1: Police don't know of any connection between the woman and

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Speaker 1: the home where she was found. Her parents say she

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Speaker 1: lived with them and told them she was going to

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Speaker 1: help a friend whose car broke down. Now the family

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Speaker 1: is pleading for answers. Please, if anybody has any information,

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Speaker 1: can bring whoever did this to justice, please do so.

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Speaker 1: Family members believe she was killed by another woman. They

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Speaker 1: say she had been recently getting death threats, so lured

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Speaker 1: out in her car on the side of the road,

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Speaker 1: try to repair a flat. When everything goes wrong. Heather dead.

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Speaker 1: How did it happen? And what can we do to

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Speaker 1: stop crimes like that? Back to Tom Petteri, America's leading

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Speaker 1: expert personal safety author of Tom Petteri's Personal Protection Handbook,

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Speaker 1: and it's awesome pulling over to fix a flat. Oh man,

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Speaker 1: it hurts me to even say it, Tom. I know

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Speaker 1: one of the newest ploys out there is that that

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Speaker 1: flat was set up. In most cases it was done

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Speaker 1: with a little puncture of a sole leak, somebody following you,

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Speaker 1: waiting for, you know, an isolation zone, and then take

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Speaker 1: advantage of you know. The old adage was stay in

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Speaker 1: your car, called the police and wait. The new adages

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Speaker 1: ride that car on the rim as you're calling the police,

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Speaker 1: don't stop the vehicle and they will be within prompt time.

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Speaker 1: All right. The police are there to help, but they

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Speaker 1: can't help if they don't know. So don't pull over

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Speaker 1: in isolation zones. No matter what. The vehicle can be replaced,

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Speaker 1: but you cannot. I go through pages and pages of

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Speaker 1: tips that I've gotten from experts from real life cases

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Speaker 1: to help you not be a victim when it comes

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Speaker 1: to being in your car. Don't be a victim. Here

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Speaker 1: are a few, of course, make sure your doors are locked,

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Speaker 1: how often do you drive around with them unlocked? Don't

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Speaker 1: do it at red lights. When you park, you're sitting target.

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Speaker 1: Some repairs have to wait. I get it, But not

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Speaker 1: when it comes to your doors being locked. You heard

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Speaker 1: Dorothy say she thought she locked her car, but her

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Speaker 1: key fob wasn't working. The car never locked. When you

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Speaker 1: find yourself stopped at traffic, being at a red light

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Speaker 1: or stop sign, waiting for the person in front of

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Speaker 1: you to move, always leave plenty of space between yourself

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Speaker 1: and them so you're never blocked in to tom to erie.

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Speaker 1: Why is that so important, Well, one of the things

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Speaker 1: that people do is called the box and two. A

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Speaker 1: boxing two is basically to get you in a situation

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Speaker 1: where you can't move the vehicle. When you can't move

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Speaker 1: the vehicle, you are at their bay. So if you

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Speaker 1: give yourself that little extra out, you always stay out

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Speaker 1: of fast lanes when you're coming to a light. If

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Speaker 1: you are at a light and somebody approaches you, look

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Speaker 1: left and right go through the light. You could always

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Speaker 1: explain to the police officer, listen, you are fear of

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Speaker 1: your life and this is why you did what you do.

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Speaker 1: We have to start listening to ourselves our situational awareness

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Speaker 1: is inside of us. That's the tingling all the experts

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Speaker 1: talked about before. Be your own bodyguard by being proactive,

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Speaker 1: be super cautious at crowded intersections. How often has squeegee

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Speaker 1: guys come up? Street vendors, people asking for money, panhandles,

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Speaker 1: newspaper water salesman. I learned the hard ways the prosecutor

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Speaker 1: that very often youths are tricked by adults into working scams.

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Speaker 1: You let your window down to buy a bottle of

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Speaker 1: water or a candy bar from a kid who looks

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Speaker 1: like they're trying to earn money, and the next thing

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Speaker 1: you know, somebody comes in from the other side and

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Speaker 1: gets in your car. And that's why your car has

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Speaker 1: got to be a lot and the windows up when

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Speaker 1: you come to intersect intersections. Agree or disagree? Steve Lampley agree,

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Speaker 1: Nancy agree. Even as a retired police officer, I do

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Speaker 1: that I leave space enough room between me and the

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Speaker 1: vehicle in front of me. If I need to get out,

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Speaker 1: I can. I sit still, and some people call me paranoid.

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Speaker 1: I just call it being observant and being safe. I

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Speaker 1: still sit with my back in the corner in a restaurant.

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Speaker 1: These are things too second nature, it is, and I

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Speaker 1: know everybody can't sit in the corner in a restaurant

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Speaker 1: is over then, But you have to do the things

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Speaker 1: that you have to do to keep yourself, your friends

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Speaker 1: and family safe. Like locking your door. For me now

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Speaker 1: a second nature. I immediately punch the buttonutil locking my doors,

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Speaker 1: avoid distractions, keep the volume low on podcast news or music.

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Speaker 1: And in the same vein, do you really need to

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Speaker 1: update your Instagram or text while you're a driving or

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Speaker 1: while you're at a red light or after you park

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Speaker 1: your car? Can't you do it when you get home?

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Speaker 1: For Pete's sake? So show some self control. Joe Scott Morgan,

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Speaker 1: you're the death investigator. How many times have you heard

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Speaker 1: of death fatalities because people are on their phone when

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Speaker 1: they're driving, much less at red lights and when they

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Speaker 1: first part their car or sit back down in their

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Speaker 1: car in the parking lot. Yeah, you know, I gotta

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Speaker 1: tell you, Nancy. It used to be where I was

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Speaker 1: terrified of drunk drivers, and I still am, but now

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Speaker 1: I see you know, I'm a college professor. I see

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Speaker 1: kids walking around campus all the time with their nose

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Speaker 1: buried in a phone. I see people riding around campus

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Speaker 1: with their nose buried in the phone. There's so many

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Speaker 1: distractions in this world, and it is absolutely terrifying because,

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Speaker 1: like I have said, predators are looking for that way in,

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Speaker 1: They're looking for that leverage. They're looking for that place

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Speaker 1: where they can attack you and get what they want,

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Speaker 1: either property, maybe your wallet, maybe your car. Maybe they

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Speaker 1: want your car or at you know, in these horrible

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Speaker 1: situations your life, they want to do harm to you

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Speaker 1: and your family. And the reality is to get the

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Speaker 1: things you're mentioning, they will kill you to get them.

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Speaker 1: And to Jim Elliott, attorney with Butler Snow at Butler

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Speaker 1: snow dot com. Jim, isn't it a traffic violation or

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Speaker 1: a crime now? For you to be texting and driving?

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Speaker 1: Is every stage of adopted laws of that sort, Yet

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Speaker 1: you see people all the time doing it. It's amazing. Predators, criminals,

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Speaker 1: they can't wait for you to ease up at a

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Speaker 1: red light or stop sign and get on that phone.

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Speaker 1: You'll never hear them walking up to your driver's side door.

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Speaker 1: The next thing you know, the first thing you'll know,

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Speaker 1: that door is open and they're in your car. So

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Speaker 1: where are you supposed to go. Why do you think

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Speaker 1: they're in your car? They want something like Joe Scott said,

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Speaker 1: you're a pocketbook, your money, your laptop or you. So

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Speaker 1: many of these ladies are raped, sodomized and murdered, taken

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Speaker 1: out of their car. How are these people getting in?

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Speaker 1: That predator is just walking around that parking lot at

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Speaker 1: the CBS waiting for you to come part and then

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Speaker 1: look down on your phone. They can't wait. I mean,

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Speaker 1: you know, Karen start, I keep talking about them like

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Speaker 1: their wolves, but they very much are like let's just

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Speaker 1: say the hyena at the watering hole in the Seengetti.

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Speaker 1: Here we are the gazelle coming up to drink, and

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Speaker 1: we're not looking up, We're looking down, and that's just

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Speaker 1: what they want. Why after all this time, do we

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Speaker 1: still seem to go to our safe spot in our

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Speaker 1: head and not realize what's going on around us. Well,

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Speaker 1: there's so many distractions, especially today answer as you said,

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Speaker 1: we've got iPhones. We could look at social media and

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Speaker 1: there's this false sense of security. It's just we're not

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Speaker 1: living anymore in where the Serengetti world. We're supposed to

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Speaker 1: be very conscious of the fact that we're prey, but

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Speaker 1: we are prey. And the more that you're in a

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Speaker 1: vulnerable situation, the more you're going to attract somebody who's

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Speaker 1: just looking to attack you. Don't give rides to stranger.

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Speaker 1: Think Ted Bundy, charge your phone, keeper charger in your car,

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Speaker 1: use GPS, Be careful when you ask strangers for directions.

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Speaker 1: What do you do if you have a flat or

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Speaker 1: a car trouble? What do you do if somebody bumps

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Speaker 1: into you on purpose at a red light. I'm not

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Speaker 1: trying to scare you, none of us on the panel today,

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Speaker 1: or trying to scare you or actually trying to save

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Speaker 1: your life. Don't be a victim. Fight back. Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Story signing off, Goodbye friend,