1 00:00:01,040 --> 00:00:32,839 Speaker 1: H h, the one and only, the great Vince Russo. 2 00:00:34,440 --> 00:00:36,640 Speaker 1: But I had to urband to get him. 3 00:00:36,760 --> 00:00:38,440 Speaker 2: Bro, I don't know what happened. 4 00:00:38,479 --> 00:00:39,160 Speaker 3: I fell there. 5 00:00:39,280 --> 00:00:42,440 Speaker 2: I did not get the email. I looked in my spam. 6 00:00:42,479 --> 00:00:45,280 Speaker 2: I don't know what happened. But it doesn't matter whether 7 00:00:45,320 --> 00:00:48,120 Speaker 2: you're anything. Vince, thanks for coming back box. 8 00:00:49,120 --> 00:00:51,919 Speaker 3: Yeah Thence, it's been a while. How First of all, 9 00:00:51,960 --> 00:00:52,480 Speaker 3: you look great? 10 00:00:52,960 --> 00:00:53,280 Speaker 2: Thank you? 11 00:00:53,320 --> 00:00:56,760 Speaker 3: So do you? You look refreshed and rejuvenated. 12 00:00:57,080 --> 00:00:58,880 Speaker 2: Just got out of a shower, ready to go. I'm 13 00:00:58,880 --> 00:01:00,760 Speaker 2: starting my day with you, Francine. 14 00:01:00,840 --> 00:01:03,600 Speaker 3: I can smell you. You look clean, smell clean. 15 00:01:03,800 --> 00:01:06,959 Speaker 2: I like that to be aqua aquavelba, aqua velva? 16 00:01:07,040 --> 00:01:08,840 Speaker 3: Is that? Is that what men were these days? 17 00:01:08,920 --> 00:01:11,080 Speaker 2: I don't think. I don't think you can get that anymore, Bro, 18 00:01:11,200 --> 00:01:13,360 Speaker 2: aquavelba was like back in the seventies. 19 00:01:13,360 --> 00:01:14,640 Speaker 3: Man, Is that like old spice? 20 00:01:14,920 --> 00:01:15,760 Speaker 2: Yeah? Pretty much? 21 00:01:15,920 --> 00:01:18,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, pretty much. Well, you know the classics never. 22 00:01:18,120 --> 00:01:20,800 Speaker 2: Dies, oh never, never, ever, ever, ever. 23 00:01:20,920 --> 00:01:23,840 Speaker 3: Good for you. Vince is associated with the brand. For 24 00:01:23,959 --> 00:01:26,640 Speaker 3: those of you who don't know, Uh, tell us how 25 00:01:26,680 --> 00:01:28,240 Speaker 3: that's going. I want to start off with that. 26 00:01:28,480 --> 00:01:30,320 Speaker 2: Well, I want to tell you this real quick, man. 27 00:01:30,680 --> 00:01:34,440 Speaker 2: We're doing a special right now. If you have never 28 00:01:34,680 --> 00:01:38,360 Speaker 2: tried out our Patreon, you can go over there right 29 00:01:38,400 --> 00:01:41,240 Speaker 2: now and get a free week of the brand. It 30 00:01:41,280 --> 00:01:44,759 Speaker 2: will cost you absolutely nothing. It will let you sample 31 00:01:44,880 --> 00:01:48,080 Speaker 2: all our content right there on the screen. Man, just 32 00:01:48,080 --> 00:01:53,160 Speaker 2: go to patreon dot com forward slash russo TWC awesome. 33 00:01:52,760 --> 00:01:55,400 Speaker 3: And what talent do you have with you right now? 34 00:01:55,400 --> 00:01:59,640 Speaker 2: Because it's been yeah right now. I always forget somebody. 35 00:01:59,680 --> 00:02:03,520 Speaker 2: Of course, I've got Stevie Richards, Stevie Richards the Great 36 00:02:03,560 --> 00:02:07,000 Speaker 2: BENJA mean, I've got Stevie Ray from Hall of Heat. 37 00:02:07,640 --> 00:02:13,200 Speaker 2: I've got e C three, I've got Al Snow. God, 38 00:02:13,240 --> 00:02:17,880 Speaker 2: I know, I always forget somebody. But she's she's not 39 00:02:17,919 --> 00:02:21,880 Speaker 2: on no more. Yeah, we switched some shows around, that's okay, 40 00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:24,640 Speaker 2: going into the Yeah, going into the new year, I 41 00:02:24,680 --> 00:02:27,160 Speaker 2: wanted to switch some shows around, so we added some, 42 00:02:27,320 --> 00:02:30,040 Speaker 2: we took some away. But uh, yeah, there there's so 43 00:02:30,160 --> 00:02:31,520 Speaker 2: much content on there. 44 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:34,760 Speaker 3: So much content. Yeah, I love it. So I I 45 00:02:34,800 --> 00:02:38,440 Speaker 3: want to ask you a question. Yeah, and I you know, 46 00:02:38,480 --> 00:02:40,160 Speaker 3: if you don't want to answer, you don't have to. 47 00:02:40,240 --> 00:02:43,000 Speaker 3: But I have a feeling you'll want to go ahead. 48 00:02:43,960 --> 00:02:49,360 Speaker 3: What's with all the feuds you're feuding? I saw, I 49 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:52,280 Speaker 3: saw you just tweeted triple H. I think you're trying 50 00:02:52,280 --> 00:02:54,720 Speaker 3: to fight him. I think you're trying to fight Sean 51 00:02:54,800 --> 00:02:55,520 Speaker 3: Ross Sap. 52 00:02:55,880 --> 00:02:59,520 Speaker 2: No, for first of all, I don't, I don't know. 53 00:02:59,600 --> 00:03:02,720 Speaker 2: I don't. I don't know him as Sean Ross Sap. 54 00:03:03,160 --> 00:03:06,280 Speaker 2: Unless you're a celebrity, you don't. You don't get three 55 00:03:06,440 --> 00:03:09,560 Speaker 2: name treatments. The fact of the matter is the dude's 56 00:03:09,639 --> 00:03:13,360 Speaker 2: name is Sean Sap, and you know they made fun 57 00:03:13,400 --> 00:03:16,600 Speaker 2: of him all throughout grade school in high school. Yeah, 58 00:03:16,639 --> 00:03:19,960 Speaker 2: he doesn't. He doesn't. He's not worthy of the middle name. 59 00:03:20,280 --> 00:03:22,280 Speaker 2: So if you're gonna, if you want to discussing with me, 60 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:25,480 Speaker 2: that's fine. But I don't know any Seawn Ross STAPs. 61 00:03:25,560 --> 00:03:27,040 Speaker 2: I just know a Sewan Sap. 62 00:03:27,240 --> 00:03:30,520 Speaker 3: Okay, well whoever you know? I met him once. I 63 00:03:30,639 --> 00:03:32,080 Speaker 3: have to say he was lovely to me. 64 00:03:32,320 --> 00:03:34,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, very very nice. 65 00:03:34,080 --> 00:03:34,200 Speaker 3: Man. 66 00:03:34,320 --> 00:03:36,720 Speaker 2: Okay, let me tell you how lovely he is, fran Scene. 67 00:03:36,960 --> 00:03:41,280 Speaker 2: He's so lovely and how this whole thing started. This 68 00:03:41,360 --> 00:03:46,120 Speaker 2: guy is so lovely, bro that I am sitting on 69 00:03:46,200 --> 00:03:49,360 Speaker 2: my couch one night a couple of months ago, man, 70 00:03:49,560 --> 00:03:53,080 Speaker 2: eleven thirty at night, and I get a I get 71 00:03:53,080 --> 00:03:56,760 Speaker 2: a text out of the Clear Blue Sky from Seawn 72 00:03:56,920 --> 00:04:00,040 Speaker 2: Ross Slap saying, Vince, I just want you to know 73 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:03,120 Speaker 2: what a big piece of shit you are. That's how lovely, 74 00:04:03,400 --> 00:04:08,520 Speaker 2: that's how wonderful seean Ross sap is. So the bottom 75 00:04:08,600 --> 00:04:12,120 Speaker 2: line is, you talk about these feuds, Bro, you want 76 00:04:12,120 --> 00:04:14,800 Speaker 2: to poke the bear, You want to go at it 77 00:04:14,840 --> 00:04:18,599 Speaker 2: with me? Fine, bro, like, let's go. Let's see how 78 00:04:18,640 --> 00:04:21,400 Speaker 2: that's gonna turn out for you. The problem with Triple 79 00:04:21,600 --> 00:04:24,760 Speaker 2: h Is and Francine you will agree to this, and 80 00:04:24,800 --> 00:04:26,920 Speaker 2: you don't have to even agree to this. I know 81 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:30,320 Speaker 2: you're gonna agree with this. Don't give me the bullshit 82 00:04:30,480 --> 00:04:36,520 Speaker 2: with It's a different time. Wrestling is evolving, bro. Wrestling 83 00:04:36,640 --> 00:04:40,480 Speaker 2: today is the same as wrestling was one hundred years ago. 84 00:04:40,839 --> 00:04:44,480 Speaker 2: You have a match. The idea of the match is 85 00:04:44,520 --> 00:04:48,200 Speaker 2: to pin and beat your opponent. You could beat them 86 00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:50,840 Speaker 2: three ways. You could pin them, you can get counted out, 87 00:04:50,880 --> 00:04:53,479 Speaker 2: or he can get decued. That has been the same 88 00:04:53,560 --> 00:04:58,279 Speaker 2: for a hundred years. Wrestling has not evolved. So stop 89 00:04:58,360 --> 00:05:01,839 Speaker 2: with the bullshit. And the bottom line is the WWE 90 00:05:01,960 --> 00:05:05,920 Speaker 2: sold out. They sold out, bro. Bottom line, they got 91 00:05:05,960 --> 00:05:09,080 Speaker 2: to the point we're gonna be politically correct. We're not 92 00:05:09,200 --> 00:05:12,640 Speaker 2: gonna insult anybody. We're not gonna have an edge anymore. 93 00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:15,560 Speaker 2: We're not gonna be dangerous anymore. We're gonna put on 94 00:05:15,680 --> 00:05:20,560 Speaker 2: Mamby Pamby programming and Francine. That's fine. A lot of 95 00:05:20,760 --> 00:05:24,159 Speaker 2: people sell out. People will say, Snoop Dogg sold out 96 00:05:24,200 --> 00:05:27,520 Speaker 2: because he's in a million commercials. I got no problem 97 00:05:27,560 --> 00:05:30,919 Speaker 2: with selling out, because that's part of business. What I 98 00:05:30,960 --> 00:05:33,920 Speaker 2: got a problem with is, don't bullshit us. Don't give 99 00:05:33,960 --> 00:05:39,560 Speaker 2: me this evolution, this evolving. Don't you guys sold out? Period? 100 00:05:39,760 --> 00:05:42,919 Speaker 2: End of story, Say you sold out and let's move on. 101 00:05:43,400 --> 00:05:46,040 Speaker 3: Is it selling out though, or is it just trying 102 00:05:46,120 --> 00:05:49,640 Speaker 3: to extend the brand, adapt to the times. 103 00:05:50,120 --> 00:05:55,600 Speaker 4: Uh, they adapted to the times by selling out, by 104 00:05:56,080 --> 00:06:00,760 Speaker 4: not doing anything that's gonna possibly offend anybody. 105 00:06:01,040 --> 00:06:05,400 Speaker 2: Listen, Freendzine, this is professional wrestling. You're gonna be in 106 00:06:05,480 --> 00:06:09,039 Speaker 2: the professional wrestling business, and you know and and not 107 00:06:09,480 --> 00:06:13,799 Speaker 2: you know, get somebody's panties in a wad. You always 108 00:06:13,960 --> 00:06:17,440 Speaker 2: are no matter what, bro, there are going to be 109 00:06:17,640 --> 00:06:20,680 Speaker 2: people that are upset. If people want to find a 110 00:06:20,720 --> 00:06:24,400 Speaker 2: problem with your product, they'll find a problem with your product. 111 00:06:24,640 --> 00:06:28,600 Speaker 2: You're not going to please everybody, so when you know, 112 00:06:28,640 --> 00:06:33,040 Speaker 2: they made a decision to become politically correct, so they 113 00:06:33,040 --> 00:06:35,720 Speaker 2: could be in business with Saudi Arabia and they could 114 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:38,960 Speaker 2: be in business whoever they want to. But we are 115 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:43,320 Speaker 2: talking about professional wrestling here. We're not talking about a 116 00:06:43,360 --> 00:06:49,479 Speaker 2: puppet show. Professional wrestling was never meant to not, you know, 117 00:06:49,680 --> 00:06:52,800 Speaker 2: get somebody upset. It was never meant to be that. 118 00:06:54,320 --> 00:06:58,320 Speaker 3: Okay, tell me about you and Bubba. What do you 119 00:06:58,440 --> 00:07:00,560 Speaker 3: mean the miss? 120 00:07:01,040 --> 00:07:03,840 Speaker 2: Oh god, this is good. 121 00:07:03,920 --> 00:07:06,920 Speaker 3: I'm pulling up things that have closed a star one X. 122 00:07:07,279 --> 00:07:10,560 Speaker 2: Well, you know, according to Sean's sap uh, here's a 123 00:07:10,600 --> 00:07:14,200 Speaker 2: funny thing. According to Sean sap franc scene. I'm doing 124 00:07:14,280 --> 00:07:17,800 Speaker 2: all of this to stay relevant. Okay, now you're trying 125 00:07:17,840 --> 00:07:20,520 Speaker 2: to get a job with Yeah, well not not only that. 126 00:07:20,720 --> 00:07:23,400 Speaker 2: Here's what cracks me up. Here's what cracks me up. 127 00:07:24,080 --> 00:07:27,440 Speaker 2: Raw drew a million and a half people on on 128 00:07:27,600 --> 00:07:33,560 Speaker 2: Monday Night. If I was trying to stay relevant, the 129 00:07:33,880 --> 00:07:37,760 Speaker 2: absolute last genre I would try to stay relevant would 130 00:07:37,800 --> 00:07:43,320 Speaker 2: be wrestling. Wrestling is not relevant. Wrestling hasn't been relevant 131 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:47,960 Speaker 2: four years. So if I was actually trying to stay relevant, 132 00:07:48,120 --> 00:07:52,720 Speaker 2: I promise you I would not be doing it through 133 00:07:52,800 --> 00:07:57,360 Speaker 2: a through a company and through a business that is 134 00:07:57,560 --> 00:08:02,760 Speaker 2: the most irrelevant and entertainment and sports across the board. Now, 135 00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:07,720 Speaker 2: according to Bubba Is, you know, I watch these shows, Francine, 136 00:08:07,800 --> 00:08:10,760 Speaker 2: only because I get paid to watch these shows. The 137 00:08:10,920 --> 00:08:15,160 Speaker 2: minute they stop paying me, I stop watching. It's that simple. 138 00:08:15,560 --> 00:08:18,720 Speaker 2: But I am watching. I'm watching this. Okay. First of all, 139 00:08:18,720 --> 00:08:21,040 Speaker 2: I gotta check my watch to make sure it's twenty 140 00:08:21,120 --> 00:08:25,560 Speaker 2: twenty three. So I'm watching Cody Rhodes come out and 141 00:08:25,800 --> 00:08:37,839 Speaker 2: explain how Knackamora spewed a poison misted a poison mist 142 00:08:38,320 --> 00:08:42,319 Speaker 2: into his face. But yet here we are seven days later, 143 00:08:42,880 --> 00:08:46,880 Speaker 2: and they're both perfectly fine. I just didn't understand that 144 00:08:47,120 --> 00:08:52,880 Speaker 2: if Knackamora is holding a poison in his mouth, I'm 145 00:08:52,920 --> 00:08:56,800 Speaker 2: thinking it's blistering. I'm thinking he's got canka saws. I'm 146 00:08:56,840 --> 00:09:01,360 Speaker 2: thinking he can't breathe. I'm thinking his his his his, 147 00:09:01,679 --> 00:09:05,920 Speaker 2: uh Larnix is closing up. And then Cody gets the 148 00:09:05,960 --> 00:09:09,200 Speaker 2: poison in the eyes, and I'm thinking of, oh my god. 149 00:09:09,320 --> 00:09:12,160 Speaker 2: You know, bro, it's like, can you imagine getting clorox 150 00:09:12,240 --> 00:09:15,959 Speaker 2: in your eyes or you know, even uh, even pepper spray. 151 00:09:16,480 --> 00:09:19,720 Speaker 2: But here we are a week later, and we're both 152 00:09:19,760 --> 00:09:25,800 Speaker 2: perfectly fine to me. That's what casual fans laugh at 153 00:09:26,120 --> 00:09:29,679 Speaker 2: and the reason why you still get crap today. Francine, 154 00:09:29,760 --> 00:09:33,120 Speaker 2: I'm not telling you anything. You don't know. You've got 155 00:09:33,160 --> 00:09:37,400 Speaker 2: the wrestling bubble, and they all live in the wrestling bubble. 156 00:09:37,720 --> 00:09:40,640 Speaker 2: They don't have a clue of what's going on on 157 00:09:40,760 --> 00:09:44,240 Speaker 2: the outside world. You got people in there, bro that 158 00:09:44,720 --> 00:09:49,319 Speaker 2: through politics have been holding their spots forever. When when 159 00:09:49,400 --> 00:09:52,960 Speaker 2: when the world passed them by a long time ago? 160 00:09:53,320 --> 00:09:57,440 Speaker 2: So when I when I hear of a poison missed, 161 00:09:57,960 --> 00:10:03,400 Speaker 2: people are laughing at that. And and you know what, 162 00:10:03,440 --> 00:10:06,400 Speaker 2: Bubba can say whatever Bubba wants to say. Back in 163 00:10:06,480 --> 00:10:12,000 Speaker 2: the day of Mooda, nobody ever said it was poison nobody. 164 00:10:12,240 --> 00:10:14,959 Speaker 2: Poison is a whole different category, fran Scene. 165 00:10:15,120 --> 00:10:17,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm trying to think because I I've taken that 166 00:10:17,600 --> 00:10:19,400 Speaker 3: from to Jerry to Jerry used to you? 167 00:10:19,559 --> 00:10:20,200 Speaker 2: Was it poison? 168 00:10:20,960 --> 00:10:22,319 Speaker 3: You know what was the green mist? 169 00:10:22,840 --> 00:10:24,400 Speaker 2: Was it poison? Poison? 170 00:10:24,920 --> 00:10:28,440 Speaker 3: Poison? I've taken it a couple times, and I know 171 00:10:28,520 --> 00:10:31,520 Speaker 3: it went into every orifice of my body. Is poison though, 172 00:10:32,640 --> 00:10:35,360 Speaker 3: you know, I can't remember if it was poisoned. 173 00:10:35,040 --> 00:10:37,920 Speaker 2: Just skin boiled. Did you all boys boil. 174 00:10:38,160 --> 00:10:40,360 Speaker 3: I did come to work the next week. What would 175 00:10:40,400 --> 00:10:43,040 Speaker 3: you call it if you had to rename this mist? 176 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:47,840 Speaker 2: Well, miss miss, we don't know what's in the mist, something. 177 00:10:47,600 --> 00:10:52,839 Speaker 5: Temporary, blinding, minding, it's binding, miss, yes, blinding, Miss, Thank you, Jaz. 178 00:10:53,280 --> 00:10:58,160 Speaker 5: Poison like poison, Bro, I'm actually gonna put poison in 179 00:10:58,320 --> 00:10:59,000 Speaker 5: my mouth. 180 00:11:00,160 --> 00:11:04,120 Speaker 2: Bro, I'm sorry. These are the things you have to 181 00:11:04,160 --> 00:11:09,000 Speaker 2: look at because it's twoenty twenty three, it's not nineteen 182 00:11:09,160 --> 00:11:13,160 Speaker 2: seventy three. These are the things you have to look at. 183 00:11:13,360 --> 00:11:18,440 Speaker 3: I'm reading because I love to read comments anyone that 184 00:11:18,520 --> 00:11:21,600 Speaker 3: I follow I read comments. I like to see what 185 00:11:21,640 --> 00:11:26,480 Speaker 3: fans are saying about things. People are still blaming you. 186 00:11:27,160 --> 00:11:29,600 Speaker 3: And we've talked about this before. Now we're on iHeart, 187 00:11:29,640 --> 00:11:32,199 Speaker 3: so we have a new audience that's listening, So I'm 188 00:11:32,200 --> 00:11:35,440 Speaker 3: gonna say it again. People are still blaming you for 189 00:11:35,559 --> 00:11:41,920 Speaker 3: like downfalls of companies coming up with ridiculous angles, things 190 00:11:41,960 --> 00:11:44,280 Speaker 3: that you said you weren't even a part of. And 191 00:11:44,800 --> 00:11:47,880 Speaker 3: fans just seem to love to pick at you and 192 00:11:48,160 --> 00:11:52,319 Speaker 3: argue with you constantly. Like the thing that I want 193 00:11:52,360 --> 00:11:54,679 Speaker 3: to know is how are you not losing your mind? 194 00:11:54,800 --> 00:11:57,920 Speaker 2: Well? Because well, for first of all, a couple of reasons. 195 00:11:57,960 --> 00:12:01,440 Speaker 2: First of all, I never read comments, and second or. 196 00:12:01,480 --> 00:12:04,559 Speaker 3: Four, so you do read comments, because no. 197 00:12:04,720 --> 00:12:05,040 Speaker 2: I don't. 198 00:12:05,040 --> 00:12:05,320 Speaker 3: I don't. 199 00:12:05,360 --> 00:12:08,360 Speaker 2: I don't read the comments. I'll only respond to comments 200 00:12:08,360 --> 00:12:10,600 Speaker 2: if you don't. If you don't, I don't respond to comments. 201 00:12:10,679 --> 00:12:12,200 Speaker 3: I've seen you respond I don't. 202 00:12:12,280 --> 00:12:16,480 Speaker 2: Taransceine, I don't unless it's a bubba Farancine, I don't. 203 00:12:16,760 --> 00:12:20,040 Speaker 2: I mean, I'm telling you, I don't. I do you 204 00:12:20,040 --> 00:12:22,200 Speaker 2: know on my YouTube? I did a video yesterday on 205 00:12:22,240 --> 00:12:25,319 Speaker 2: YouTube that's at five thousand views. I don't look at 206 00:12:25,320 --> 00:12:29,440 Speaker 2: those comments. I will I will see comments on Twitter. 207 00:12:29,880 --> 00:12:31,120 Speaker 3: Yes, that's what I'm referring to. 208 00:12:31,280 --> 00:12:34,520 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, No, I only unless it's a bubba or 209 00:12:34,600 --> 00:12:38,199 Speaker 2: unless it's somebody in the industry or the business. I 210 00:12:38,280 --> 00:12:42,520 Speaker 2: my comments are very few and far between, very and 211 00:12:42,559 --> 00:12:47,760 Speaker 2: because here's the reason. It's real simple. My My brand 212 00:12:47,920 --> 00:12:52,800 Speaker 2: of television was entertainment. All of these people commenting want 213 00:12:53,040 --> 00:12:57,520 Speaker 2: believe wrestling is real. They think it's real. They've convinced 214 00:12:57,520 --> 00:13:02,000 Speaker 2: themselves it's real. They want twenty thirty minute wrestling matches. 215 00:13:02,280 --> 00:13:06,360 Speaker 2: They want to put stars to those wrestling matches. And 216 00:13:06,440 --> 00:13:11,560 Speaker 2: that's not how I wrote TV. And oh my god, surprise, surprise, surprise, 217 00:13:11,920 --> 00:13:15,360 Speaker 2: the television I wrote had the highest ratings in the 218 00:13:15,480 --> 00:13:19,439 Speaker 2: history of wrestling. Why not because I was a genius 219 00:13:19,520 --> 00:13:25,400 Speaker 2: friend scene, because I opened it up to everybody through entertainment. 220 00:13:26,120 --> 00:13:30,600 Speaker 2: If in wrestling today, if you're not a fan of 221 00:13:30,640 --> 00:13:36,320 Speaker 2: the wrestling, you're not watching. It's that simple. So you know, 222 00:13:36,559 --> 00:13:40,000 Speaker 2: I opened it up to everybody. You didn't have to 223 00:13:40,080 --> 00:13:44,839 Speaker 2: be a fan of the actual wrestling. And that's that's 224 00:13:44,960 --> 00:13:48,760 Speaker 2: what the marks didn't like. So it's it's real, it's 225 00:13:48,840 --> 00:13:52,960 Speaker 2: real simple, And that's why I don't look at comments 226 00:13:53,000 --> 00:13:56,839 Speaker 2: and I don't answer comments because I know they they're ridiculous. Mindset. 227 00:13:57,480 --> 00:14:01,319 Speaker 3: Storylines to me are very important, very important. If a 228 00:14:01,440 --> 00:14:04,800 Speaker 3: story doesn't draw me in, I can't waste thirty minutes 229 00:14:04,840 --> 00:14:07,520 Speaker 3: of my time, even if the guys are great workers. 230 00:14:08,600 --> 00:14:12,040 Speaker 3: I need something to invest in, yes, and to bring 231 00:14:12,080 --> 00:14:14,600 Speaker 3: me back every week. So I one hundred percent agree 232 00:14:14,600 --> 00:14:17,600 Speaker 3: with what you're saying, and I feel like you excelled 233 00:14:17,720 --> 00:14:21,000 Speaker 3: at that story telling aspect of the. 234 00:14:21,000 --> 00:14:26,200 Speaker 2: Business because that's what your casual fan, your casual television 235 00:14:26,600 --> 00:14:31,440 Speaker 2: television audience wants, That's what they want. That's why you 236 00:14:31,520 --> 00:14:36,080 Speaker 2: are drawing a one point five million people. They're not 237 00:14:36,640 --> 00:14:40,160 Speaker 2: interested in twenty minute wrestling matches. 238 00:14:40,800 --> 00:14:46,320 Speaker 3: Right, What would you do, either with WWE or AEW 239 00:14:46,480 --> 00:14:48,840 Speaker 3: to change if they hired you and I know you're 240 00:14:48,880 --> 00:14:49,560 Speaker 3: not interested. 241 00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:51,760 Speaker 2: I'm not interested. It's never happen. 242 00:14:52,280 --> 00:14:55,640 Speaker 3: You're not interested. But with you all of your expertise, 243 00:14:55,800 --> 00:14:57,600 Speaker 3: because you have been in the business for a very 244 00:14:57,600 --> 00:15:01,560 Speaker 3: long time, what would you do to poperating these words? 245 00:15:01,640 --> 00:15:05,520 Speaker 2: Francine, it's real simple, and it's the same thing I 246 00:15:05,600 --> 00:15:09,640 Speaker 2: told Vince McMahon in nineteen ninety six when they were 247 00:15:09,720 --> 00:15:13,840 Speaker 2: doing Mantar and TL Hopper and the Goon and all 248 00:15:13,920 --> 00:15:20,040 Speaker 2: this ridiculous crap. I told Vince McMahon in nineteen ninety six, Vince, 249 00:15:20,360 --> 00:15:25,840 Speaker 2: this product needs to mirror society. What that means is 250 00:15:26,120 --> 00:15:34,880 Speaker 2: it's real simple, Franccene. Realism, realism, make it real and work, 251 00:15:35,200 --> 00:15:39,560 Speaker 2: work the shoot, work the shoot, not not poison mist 252 00:15:39,760 --> 00:15:45,160 Speaker 2: in the eyes. I'm talking about reality. Francine. Here's a 253 00:15:45,200 --> 00:15:51,960 Speaker 2: perfect example. Okay, cmpunk comes back after ten years. Everybody 254 00:15:52,160 --> 00:15:56,480 Speaker 2: in that locker room has a different opinion. Why aren't 255 00:15:56,600 --> 00:16:02,120 Speaker 2: you putting the microphone in their faith and saying, what 256 00:16:02,200 --> 00:16:07,520 Speaker 2: do you think as a shoot of cmpunk coming back? 257 00:16:07,560 --> 00:16:11,000 Speaker 2: To the w w E and let the people tell 258 00:16:11,200 --> 00:16:15,600 Speaker 2: the truth. Why wouldn't you do that? That is such 259 00:16:15,640 --> 00:16:21,240 Speaker 2: a missed opportunity. Then, Franccene, based on the comments, now 260 00:16:21,400 --> 00:16:26,480 Speaker 2: you roll with who said? What do you what? To 261 00:16:26,480 --> 00:16:29,960 Speaker 2: totally ignore that is ridiculous. 262 00:16:30,720 --> 00:16:34,480 Speaker 3: But I feel like, if I'm in that locker room 263 00:16:34,960 --> 00:16:38,880 Speaker 3: and I have heat with Punk, I'm afraid to say 264 00:16:38,920 --> 00:16:41,760 Speaker 3: the truth because am I gonna get heat for it? 265 00:16:41,800 --> 00:16:43,280 Speaker 3: Is that gonna cause me heat with the boy? 266 00:16:43,760 --> 00:16:46,680 Speaker 2: Not if that's what management is telling you to do, 267 00:16:47,080 --> 00:16:50,160 Speaker 2: if the if management is going to the boys, No, 268 00:16:50,240 --> 00:16:55,480 Speaker 2: it's not. No, it's not no, because because the smart boys, 269 00:16:55,560 --> 00:16:59,280 Speaker 2: fran scene and you know all this, the smart boys 270 00:16:59,360 --> 00:17:03,840 Speaker 2: will know that they can make money with that. They 271 00:17:03,920 --> 00:17:08,600 Speaker 2: they know that, Bro, And that's especially Punk Punk you 272 00:17:08,680 --> 00:17:12,960 Speaker 2: use use Bro his his his promo was horrific. The 273 00:17:13,040 --> 00:17:15,800 Speaker 2: fact that you're telling me I'm home after you got 274 00:17:15,840 --> 00:17:18,560 Speaker 2: fired on your wedding day. Give me a break, Bro, 275 00:17:18,840 --> 00:17:21,720 Speaker 2: give me a break. They fired your ass on your 276 00:17:21,800 --> 00:17:23,960 Speaker 2: wedding day and I'm home, I'm home. 277 00:17:24,400 --> 00:17:25,479 Speaker 3: What does he do different? 278 00:17:25,720 --> 00:17:28,240 Speaker 2: I read a little exactly what he said at the 279 00:17:28,320 --> 00:17:30,719 Speaker 2: end of the promo, which was off cat, which was 280 00:17:30,760 --> 00:17:34,199 Speaker 2: off Mike. The last thing he said was I'm not 281 00:17:34,480 --> 00:17:37,040 Speaker 2: here to defense, I'm here to make money. That's the 282 00:17:37,080 --> 00:17:42,280 Speaker 2: freaking promo. That's the pro. So people do have a 283 00:17:42,440 --> 00:17:46,120 Speaker 2: problem with seeing Punk, see him. Punk is gonna make 284 00:17:46,240 --> 00:17:50,000 Speaker 2: money with that problem. See him. Punk is a pro. 285 00:17:50,640 --> 00:17:56,440 Speaker 2: But to totally ignore all of that, that's what when 286 00:17:56,640 --> 00:17:59,280 Speaker 2: pumps on the show two weeks ago, they did one 287 00:17:59,359 --> 00:18:04,160 Speaker 2: point nine. The following week we lost four hundred thousand viewers, 288 00:18:05,080 --> 00:18:11,920 Speaker 2: and you don't know why. Okay, that's That's what I'm 289 00:18:11,960 --> 00:18:18,400 Speaker 2: talking about, selling out, playing it safe, Mamby, Pamby, That's 290 00:18:18,440 --> 00:18:19,720 Speaker 2: what I'm talking about. 291 00:18:20,480 --> 00:18:23,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel like if I was in that locker room, 292 00:18:23,080 --> 00:18:25,040 Speaker 3: I would tell Punk I'm just gonna say I hate you, 293 00:18:25,080 --> 00:18:28,040 Speaker 3: but I really love you, so I wouldn't get any 294 00:18:28,080 --> 00:18:30,720 Speaker 3: eat I don't won't heat with anyone. 295 00:18:30,920 --> 00:18:33,840 Speaker 2: I think. Man, if I am head writer and I 296 00:18:33,920 --> 00:18:37,080 Speaker 2: know Vince would have done it back in the day, Listen, Francine. 297 00:18:37,359 --> 00:18:42,640 Speaker 2: You know it's back in the day when the Montreal 298 00:18:42,680 --> 00:18:46,800 Speaker 2: screwjob went down, and you know, Vince goes into Brett's 299 00:18:46,800 --> 00:18:50,440 Speaker 2: locker room. The next day, we're in the production meeting 300 00:18:50,520 --> 00:18:54,400 Speaker 2: and Vince has a black eye. So here here's who's 301 00:18:54,440 --> 00:18:59,880 Speaker 2: in the meeting. It's me, It's Pritchard, It's Jr. It's Pat, 302 00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:07,240 Speaker 2: it's Brisco, like Kevin Dunn, maybe like six people. So Fansane, 303 00:19:07,400 --> 00:19:11,520 Speaker 2: I'm watching this, and every single person in that room, 304 00:19:11,600 --> 00:19:14,400 Speaker 2: you know, Vince, Vince is not talking, vinceus is listening. 305 00:19:15,440 --> 00:19:19,919 Speaker 2: Every single person in that room wants to sweep it 306 00:19:20,160 --> 00:19:24,800 Speaker 2: under the rug like it never happened. So I'm sitting 307 00:19:24,840 --> 00:19:28,879 Speaker 2: there and I'm listening to all this and then after 308 00:19:28,960 --> 00:19:31,560 Speaker 2: you hear it what everybody had to say, I said, 309 00:19:32,160 --> 00:19:36,320 Speaker 2: are you effing nuts? This is a once in a 310 00:19:36,440 --> 00:19:43,280 Speaker 2: lifetime opportunity. Brett Hard punched Vince McMahon in the face, 311 00:19:43,880 --> 00:19:47,000 Speaker 2: and you're gonna sweep that under the rug like it 312 00:19:47,080 --> 00:19:50,919 Speaker 2: never happened. Nothing like this will probably ever happening in 313 00:19:50,960 --> 00:19:54,200 Speaker 2: the history of this business. And you are not going 314 00:19:54,280 --> 00:20:00,879 Speaker 2: to take advantage of that. And as I'm saying this, Vince, 315 00:20:01,440 --> 00:20:07,120 Speaker 2: and I know Vince's thinking, he's one hundred percent right. 316 00:20:07,480 --> 00:20:11,320 Speaker 2: We get back to Stanford that week and that's when 317 00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:15,360 Speaker 2: Vince went in the studio and cut the Vince McMahon 318 00:20:15,359 --> 00:20:20,159 Speaker 2: didn't screw Brett Hart. Brettheartscrewed Brett Hart. And that was 319 00:20:20,280 --> 00:20:24,879 Speaker 2: the start of the mister McMahon character. That would have 320 00:20:24,960 --> 00:20:27,240 Speaker 2: never happened if Vince Russo was not in the room. 321 00:20:27,600 --> 00:20:30,280 Speaker 2: If Vince Russo was not in the room, they would 322 00:20:30,280 --> 00:20:32,919 Speaker 2: have swept that all right under the rug, and you 323 00:20:33,040 --> 00:20:36,480 Speaker 2: might not ever even had a mister McMahon. And they're 324 00:20:36,480 --> 00:20:39,480 Speaker 2: doing the same thing today. We're bringing back a guy 325 00:20:39,560 --> 00:20:45,000 Speaker 2: like seeing Punk. You's got controversy out the wazoo everywhere 326 00:20:45,040 --> 00:20:49,000 Speaker 2: he goes, everybody he meets, and you're not gonna allow 327 00:20:49,119 --> 00:20:53,840 Speaker 2: your roster to give their real feelings about Punk and 328 00:20:53,960 --> 00:21:00,199 Speaker 2: then work that into programming content. You're fools, man, are 329 00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:01,520 Speaker 2: absolutely fools. 330 00:21:02,680 --> 00:21:08,199 Speaker 3: That's an interesting take, very interesting take. If I can 331 00:21:08,320 --> 00:21:10,960 Speaker 3: switch gears, do you have anything to add, Chad, because 332 00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:12,000 Speaker 3: I'm gonna switch gears for that. 333 00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:14,480 Speaker 1: I mean, it's what else can I say? 334 00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:17,520 Speaker 6: I mean, it's just I can't recognize any bit of 335 00:21:17,520 --> 00:21:19,280 Speaker 6: what I watched. I watched that whole raw, and I 336 00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:22,960 Speaker 6: haven't watched the raw in years, from start to finish, 337 00:21:23,080 --> 00:21:24,880 Speaker 6: just because wanted to see what Punk had to say. 338 00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:27,720 Speaker 6: And I got suckered into three hours, and I said 339 00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:30,080 Speaker 6: the show should be two. If you had to, if 340 00:21:30,119 --> 00:21:32,560 Speaker 6: you had to write three hours of a raw in 341 00:21:32,600 --> 00:21:34,560 Speaker 6: the heyday of ninety eight. I mean, wouldn't you have 342 00:21:34,680 --> 00:21:37,119 Speaker 6: exhausted some of your best ideas if you had to 343 00:21:37,119 --> 00:21:37,560 Speaker 6: stretch it? 344 00:21:38,800 --> 00:21:41,040 Speaker 2: Chad. I'll be honest with you, man. When Ed and 345 00:21:41,080 --> 00:21:44,360 Speaker 2: I went over to Nitro, the first nine nitros were 346 00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:45,520 Speaker 2: three hours. 347 00:21:45,320 --> 00:21:46,200 Speaker 1: Right, Bro. 348 00:21:46,280 --> 00:21:49,640 Speaker 2: With the roster we had, we had absolutely no problem, 349 00:21:50,160 --> 00:21:53,960 Speaker 2: absolutely no problem riding a three hours show. Bro. Here's 350 00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:57,199 Speaker 2: the problem. They don't have writers. They don't have riders. 351 00:21:57,200 --> 00:21:59,600 Speaker 2: They've got Paul haym they got the Haman's, and they 352 00:21:59,600 --> 00:22:01,960 Speaker 2: got the Richards, and they got to Michael Hayeses, and 353 00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:05,480 Speaker 2: they got all these people. These people are not writers. 354 00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:08,639 Speaker 2: They've never been writers. They've never been trained as a writer. 355 00:22:08,840 --> 00:22:11,600 Speaker 2: They don't have a degree in writing. Just because Triple 356 00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:15,200 Speaker 2: H won thirty five world titles doesn't make Triple H 357 00:22:15,359 --> 00:22:19,560 Speaker 2: a freaking writer, Chad. They did the same thing Friencine, 358 00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:25,880 Speaker 2: same thing the day after Owen Hart dies. They want 359 00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:29,879 Speaker 2: to go on and shoot a raw with no mention 360 00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:34,040 Speaker 2: of what happened the night before, no mention. We're gonna 361 00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:37,720 Speaker 2: put on a regular show. I went into a closed 362 00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:43,800 Speaker 2: door meeting with me, Vince McMahon and Kevin Dunn and 363 00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:50,200 Speaker 2: I started emotionally breaking down, and I basically not basically 364 00:22:50,359 --> 00:22:55,440 Speaker 2: I told them, if this show is not a tribute 365 00:22:55,520 --> 00:23:00,280 Speaker 2: to owen Hart, I am going home right now. I'm 366 00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:04,600 Speaker 2: going home right now because if you're gonna have a 367 00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:08,200 Speaker 2: raw like nothing happened last night, I'm not going to 368 00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:10,399 Speaker 2: be a part of that. And then what did they 369 00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:12,679 Speaker 2: what did they? What did they turn the show into? 370 00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:15,720 Speaker 2: It was a memorial to owen Hart. But bro, that's 371 00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:19,119 Speaker 2: because I was there and and and and and like, 372 00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:21,960 Speaker 2: I was the guy who was never in the bubble. 373 00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:26,399 Speaker 2: I was just a wrestling fan. I was a father, 374 00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:30,160 Speaker 2: I was a husband, I was a regular guy. So 375 00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:34,760 Speaker 2: I did not see things through their ridiculous bubble. And 376 00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:38,280 Speaker 2: I was the only one that said, I'm literally leaving 377 00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:41,200 Speaker 2: right now if that's what this show is going to 378 00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:41,720 Speaker 2: be tonight. 379 00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:46,520 Speaker 3: So you're you're trying to say they wouldn't have even 380 00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:50,080 Speaker 3: acknowledged him down the line, you know, you don't think 381 00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:51,560 Speaker 3: owen Hart. 382 00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:53,600 Speaker 2: They would They would have, they would have. They would 383 00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:56,800 Speaker 2: have mentioned what happened last night and had about a 384 00:23:56,840 --> 00:23:59,040 Speaker 2: three minute package and that would have been the end 385 00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:02,639 Speaker 2: of it. That would have been the end of it. Yes, Wow, Yes, 386 00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:04,600 Speaker 2: that happened. That happened. 387 00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:08,320 Speaker 3: I believe you believe that's. 388 00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:10,320 Speaker 2: What I'm talking about. That that's that's what I mean 389 00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:15,040 Speaker 2: about the wrestling bubble. That's that's what I'm talking about. 390 00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:20,000 Speaker 2: That one I never heard because I've never really said 391 00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:22,920 Speaker 2: that before. That's exactly it was. It was just the 392 00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:25,040 Speaker 2: three of us in a room, just the three of. 393 00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:27,639 Speaker 6: Us, instead of it being this iconic show now that 394 00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:31,400 Speaker 6: we all remember and you know, just close your eyes 395 00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:35,920 Speaker 6: and see Austin, you know, saluting the tron and everybody's 396 00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:39,560 Speaker 6: emotional speeches. That's incredible that they would just bypass that 397 00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:42,399 Speaker 6: for the sake of matches on a show where people 398 00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:45,640 Speaker 6: were wrestling with bloodstains in the middle of a canvas. 399 00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:48,600 Speaker 2: Yeah. Like I said, Chad, the same exact thing. When 400 00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:51,080 Speaker 2: Brett punch Vince and we're not going to talk about this, 401 00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:54,879 Speaker 2: they're still in the we're not going to talk about 402 00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:56,199 Speaker 2: this mode. 403 00:24:57,560 --> 00:25:02,679 Speaker 3: Unbelievable. Let me switch because I've always said I'm not 404 00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:05,439 Speaker 3: a big fan of Dark Side of the Ring only 405 00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:10,240 Speaker 3: because it's such a negative light shined upon pro wrestling, 406 00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:12,480 Speaker 3: and all of us that are in it are really 407 00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:15,440 Speaker 3: proud of what we've done. And what we've accomplished. If 408 00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:19,320 Speaker 3: we weren't, we wouldn't be in this business. Honestly, I 409 00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:23,000 Speaker 3: watched an episode and forgive me, I can't remember what 410 00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:27,840 Speaker 3: the theme was, but it was centered around you, and 411 00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:31,840 Speaker 3: I never really saw you talk about it after it aired. 412 00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:34,840 Speaker 3: What was your opinion of that dark side of the ring? 413 00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:37,280 Speaker 3: Do you know what I'm talking Was its at the 414 00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:38,199 Speaker 3: Beach or something? 415 00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:41,159 Speaker 2: I will tell you exactly. I'll tell you Flash the 416 00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:44,399 Speaker 2: Beach two thousand, I'll tell you exactly what happened. Okay. 417 00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:50,320 Speaker 2: The first a dark side I did was about the 418 00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:53,720 Speaker 2: Brawl for Roll Okay, And when I made the decision 419 00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:57,120 Speaker 2: to do that, I'm like, bro, like this is this 420 00:25:57,200 --> 00:26:02,000 Speaker 2: is no big deal. This isn't the plane ride from Hell? Like, 421 00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:05,560 Speaker 2: this is the Brawl for All tournament? How did this 422 00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:09,800 Speaker 2: come about? There was nothing scandalous about this, nothing. So 423 00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:13,120 Speaker 2: I'm like, Okay, I'll talk about the Brawl for All. 424 00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:16,200 Speaker 2: I'll take responsibility for me pitching the idea of Vince 425 00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:19,200 Speaker 2: and everything else. So I thought it was no big deal. 426 00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:24,120 Speaker 2: So I agree to do the Brawl for All episode. 427 00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:33,879 Speaker 2: And during that episode, the producers of the episode, they 428 00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:37,439 Speaker 2: decide that they're gonna turn it into Vince Russo versus 429 00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:42,919 Speaker 2: Jim Cornett. Okay, So now I see that air and 430 00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:47,280 Speaker 2: I'm like, you freaking guys, like sir, I understand TV's 431 00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:51,320 Speaker 2: all about freaking ratings, but don't don't blindside me like that. Okay. 432 00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:57,200 Speaker 2: So Francine, fast forward two to three years later, they 433 00:26:57,400 --> 00:27:02,960 Speaker 2: call me again to do Bash at the Beach. So 434 00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:06,600 Speaker 2: first thing I said is, are you guys freaking kidding me? 435 00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:10,360 Speaker 2: I did the brawl for all with you guys, and 436 00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:13,399 Speaker 2: you guys turned it into a Vince Russo Jim Cornett angle, 437 00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:17,600 Speaker 2: which there is no angle. I could give two shits 438 00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:21,520 Speaker 2: about Jim Cornette. I am so over and so past 439 00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:25,000 Speaker 2: Jim Cornette. I could give two shits. So I said, 440 00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:28,600 Speaker 2: and you have the goal to come back to me 441 00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:31,560 Speaker 2: and ask me to do this Bash of the Beach. So, Francine, 442 00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:35,000 Speaker 2: right hand to god. You know, I am a you 443 00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:37,560 Speaker 2: know I've been podcasting now for ten years. This is 444 00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:39,439 Speaker 2: how I make my living. I don't want to go 445 00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:42,280 Speaker 2: back to any wrestling company. That will never happen. So 446 00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:44,880 Speaker 2: they basically said to me, Vince, what will it take 447 00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:49,879 Speaker 2: you to do the Bash at the beach. Francine I 448 00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:57,880 Speaker 2: threw a ridiculous number at them, ridiculous and they said, okay, 449 00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:00,959 Speaker 2: we'll tell you that. And I said, okay, said I 450 00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:05,240 Speaker 2: want that up front, okay, and and and they paid 451 00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:09,080 Speaker 2: me that ridiculous amount. So I did Bash at the Beach. 452 00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:13,920 Speaker 2: But again for insie, you gotta understand something for me. Anyway, 453 00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:17,760 Speaker 2: when I go into the when I go into like 454 00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:22,080 Speaker 2: these dogs, you know, these dok side shows. My whole 455 00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:25,560 Speaker 2: thing is I am not going into I'm not burying anybody. 456 00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:29,480 Speaker 2: I'm not burying. You're gonna ask me what happened, and 457 00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:33,679 Speaker 2: I'm going to tell you what happened. I'm not gonna 458 00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:37,720 Speaker 2: sit here and bash anybody. And if you watch the 459 00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:42,600 Speaker 2: Bash at the Beach, you see Bischoff just, I mean 460 00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:46,680 Speaker 2: just absolutely burying. I did not say one negative word 461 00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:49,920 Speaker 2: about Eric Bischoff. I did not say one negative word 462 00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:53,160 Speaker 2: about Hulk Hogan. That's not what I do. If you, 463 00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:56,920 Speaker 2: if you want to ask me what happened, I'm going 464 00:28:57,000 --> 00:28:59,560 Speaker 2: to tell you what happened. Whether you want to believe 465 00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:01,800 Speaker 2: that or not is up to you. But you can 466 00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:05,920 Speaker 2: watch me on those shows. I do not talk negatively 467 00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:07,280 Speaker 2: about anybody. 468 00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:10,720 Speaker 3: Well, you said that on the first one. They made 469 00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:14,200 Speaker 3: it you against Jim Cornett. On this one, it was 470 00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:17,880 Speaker 3: you against Eric Bischoff. And did you know that going 471 00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:20,520 Speaker 3: in that that was going to be the absolute absolutely? 472 00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:22,680 Speaker 2: But the money they paid me was ridiculous. 473 00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:23,120 Speaker 3: Okay. 474 00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:25,800 Speaker 2: So I was like, guys, like I said, I am 475 00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:28,560 Speaker 2: gonna come here, I am. You're gonna ask me a question. 476 00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:31,280 Speaker 2: I'm gonna tell you the truth. I'm not interested in 477 00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:34,440 Speaker 2: burying Hulk or Eric, and I'm not gonna do that 478 00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:37,800 Speaker 2: from that point on. Yes, Francine, I knew they were 479 00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:40,720 Speaker 2: gonna do whatever they wanted with it. But like I said, man, 480 00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:43,640 Speaker 2: the money they paid me for it was ridiculous. 481 00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:46,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm sure. I just saw it. And I was 482 00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:51,800 Speaker 3: just I was interested in the concept, not really knowing 483 00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:54,880 Speaker 3: you that well. And never I met Eric Bischhoff like 484 00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:57,000 Speaker 3: one time, shook his hand and walked away. I've never 485 00:29:57,000 --> 00:30:00,640 Speaker 3: met Hawk Coogan. But you hear certain things, and you 486 00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:02,640 Speaker 3: never know what's true what's not true. 487 00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:05,640 Speaker 2: Well, you know, you know when I'm saying something, it's. 488 00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:07,200 Speaker 3: True, it's true. It's always true. Okay. 489 00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:13,560 Speaker 2: One thousand, I at almost sixty three years old, a 490 00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:18,959 Speaker 2: grandfather of two. I there is nothing in this world 491 00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:21,680 Speaker 2: I would ever. I have you really think I'm gonna 492 00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:25,560 Speaker 2: lie about wrestling shit from thirty years ago? Like like seriously, 493 00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:29,200 Speaker 2: I'm gonna lie about it. And and I'll tell you, Francine, 494 00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:31,840 Speaker 2: I would never if it was you know, they they 495 00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:36,600 Speaker 2: have shows that are character assassinations on people. I would 496 00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:40,880 Speaker 2: never do one of those shows. If if if they're 497 00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:45,280 Speaker 2: gonna pay me money to bury somebody, I'm not gonna 498 00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:48,040 Speaker 2: take that money. I'm not gonna take that money. Like 499 00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:50,880 Speaker 2: you know, they did a show on Tammy, I'm not. 500 00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:53,520 Speaker 2: I'm not gonna go on I mean that that that 501 00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:57,040 Speaker 2: that poor woman's had enough problems. I'm not gonna go 502 00:30:57,160 --> 00:31:00,320 Speaker 2: on that show and bury Tammy, no matter how much 503 00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:02,840 Speaker 2: you pay me. But if it's something like Vince, what 504 00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:05,600 Speaker 2: happened at Bash of the Beach, This is what happened 505 00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:07,400 Speaker 2: at Bash of the Beach. Whether you want to believe 506 00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:09,120 Speaker 2: me or don't believe me, I don't give a crap. 507 00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:12,720 Speaker 3: So I know you don't do conventions and stuff, But 508 00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:15,400 Speaker 3: if you did, are you the type of person that 509 00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:17,600 Speaker 3: would go and shake their hand or would you just 510 00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:18,239 Speaker 3: ignore them? 511 00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:19,880 Speaker 2: Shake Who's hand? 512 00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:21,320 Speaker 3: Shake like a Bischoff's hand? 513 00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:27,480 Speaker 2: Lancy, I don't have a problem with anybody, with anybody. 514 00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:29,920 Speaker 2: You know how many times I've come on here and said, 515 00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:32,719 Speaker 2: I will do a face to face with Eric Bischoff, 516 00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:35,200 Speaker 2: I will do a face to face with Jim Cornett, 517 00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:37,920 Speaker 2: I will do a face to face with Dave Meltzer. 518 00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:41,840 Speaker 2: I don't have a problem with any of these people, 519 00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:44,880 Speaker 2: but for some reason, they don't want to do a 520 00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:48,240 Speaker 2: face to face with me. So you tell me why. 521 00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:52,720 Speaker 2: If I had anything to hide, I certainly would not 522 00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:56,720 Speaker 2: publicly put that out there. So when I publicly put 523 00:31:56,760 --> 00:32:00,760 Speaker 2: it out there and nobody accepts it, I gotta ask 524 00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:02,040 Speaker 2: myself why. 525 00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:06,960 Speaker 3: I think you're a good debater. Maybe they're scared, I 526 00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:07,360 Speaker 3: don't know. 527 00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:11,960 Speaker 2: It has nothing to do with with debating its debater. 528 00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:14,320 Speaker 2: It has to do with who's telling the truth and 529 00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:17,320 Speaker 2: who's lying, That's what. And it also has to do 530 00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:21,640 Speaker 2: with this friend scene. They're still playing their characters. Okay, 531 00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:25,600 Speaker 2: Eric Bischoff is playing Eric Bischoff on his podcast. Jim 532 00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:29,320 Speaker 2: Cornett is playing Jim Cornette on his podcast. So they're 533 00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:34,160 Speaker 2: saying a lot of things in character because their audience 534 00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:37,320 Speaker 2: can't tell what's fact and what's fiction. I don't play 535 00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:41,800 Speaker 2: my freaking character. I left my character in the ring 536 00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:45,560 Speaker 2: when I walked away from wrestling. I don't play character. 537 00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:48,800 Speaker 2: What what I play is you ask me something, I'm 538 00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:50,120 Speaker 2: gonna tell you the freaking truth. 539 00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:55,120 Speaker 6: That goes back to what you said before about everybody 540 00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:58,320 Speaker 6: that believes it's real. The comments that we get about 541 00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:01,880 Speaker 6: this show is everybody sees how real fran scene is. 542 00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:06,320 Speaker 6: There's no characters to be found on these airwaves. Being 543 00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:08,320 Speaker 6: a part of the brand for the years that I was, 544 00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:10,680 Speaker 6: that's what I can say about listening to what you said. 545 00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:13,880 Speaker 6: There was no Vince Russo character. What you saw was 546 00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:16,920 Speaker 6: what you got every time you hear Bischoff. And I 547 00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:18,960 Speaker 6: was around Bischoff a lot, and I worked with Bischoff 548 00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:23,120 Speaker 6: on conventions and shows. He could turn on the character 549 00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:26,560 Speaker 6: and you got the nWo Eric Bischoff. 550 00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:28,960 Speaker 1: You know, bad guy, I'm cool, too cool for the room. 551 00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:29,760 Speaker 1: You got that. 552 00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:33,760 Speaker 6: And that's what these podcasts have spawned is another group 553 00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:36,560 Speaker 6: of characters. And now the fans that also watch the 554 00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:39,800 Speaker 6: shows and listen to the podcasts have become a part 555 00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:42,400 Speaker 6: of these worlds. So whereas the brand is like kind 556 00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:45,840 Speaker 6: of a family, these podcasts are just like the wrestling 557 00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:48,760 Speaker 6: crowds and they buy into these characters that now the 558 00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:51,160 Speaker 6: wrestlers have made on podcasts. 559 00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:54,080 Speaker 2: Are you know you know absolutely, Chad, because you know 560 00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:58,280 Speaker 2: Francine you had the list of these beefs, right, and 561 00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:00,960 Speaker 2: why I mean all these things. Here's a case scenario, 562 00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:05,880 Speaker 2: Chad of what we're talking about. I'm sitting here minding 563 00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:10,000 Speaker 2: my own business the other day and I come across 564 00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:16,400 Speaker 2: a story where it was a podcast and somebody asked 565 00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:20,640 Speaker 2: Jake Roberts about Vince Russo being in the Hall of Fame. 566 00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:26,040 Speaker 2: So my first question is, Guys, I worked with Jake 567 00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:30,840 Speaker 2: on maybe one, two or three occasions. Every time I 568 00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:34,840 Speaker 2: work with him, he was gone the next week because 569 00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:38,400 Speaker 2: either you know what Jake was dealing with at the time. 570 00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:41,440 Speaker 2: So every time I work with him, I turn around 571 00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:44,239 Speaker 2: and he would be gone because of something that he did. 572 00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:50,120 Speaker 2: So I worked with him very, very very rarely. So 573 00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:53,720 Speaker 2: now the question comes on a podcast to Jake Robins, 574 00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:55,960 Speaker 2: what would you think about Vince Russo being in the 575 00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:59,719 Speaker 2: Hall of Fame? So my first question is, why are 576 00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:04,000 Speaker 2: you bringing Vince Russo's name into an interview with Jake 577 00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:07,600 Speaker 2: Roberts when I had nothing to do with the dude's career. Okay, 578 00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:12,320 Speaker 2: So Jake Roberts turns around, laughs and says, f No, 579 00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:18,279 Speaker 2: my dead dog had better ideas than Vince Russo, okay, bro, 580 00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:23,080 Speaker 2: So why why is Jake saying that? When Bro I 581 00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:26,439 Speaker 2: can go down the list? Obviously I never had any 582 00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:30,160 Speaker 2: kind of a relationship with him. He has no idea 583 00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:33,040 Speaker 2: who I am as a human being. And oh, by 584 00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:37,640 Speaker 2: the way, under my thumb, two wrestling companies had the 585 00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:40,279 Speaker 2: best ratings they ever had in their history. And I'm 586 00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:44,680 Speaker 2: talking about WWE and TNA. That was drawing over two 587 00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:50,120 Speaker 2: million people. So it's real simple. Why is Jake saying that? 588 00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:53,920 Speaker 2: Jake is saying that because he knows that's what the 589 00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:58,399 Speaker 2: interviewer wants to here. Jake wants to get over with 590 00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:01,759 Speaker 2: the cool kids. Oh man, look at Jake. Look at 591 00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:05,000 Speaker 2: what Jake said about ventures. That's why he's doing it. 592 00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:09,160 Speaker 2: You think you think Jake Roberts has any idea of 593 00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:12,000 Speaker 2: what I booked and what I didn't book What was 594 00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:17,000 Speaker 2: my idea and what wasn't my He has no freaking idea. 595 00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:20,399 Speaker 2: What is he trying to do. He's trying to get 596 00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:24,880 Speaker 2: over with the cool kids, that internet crowd, the wrestling marks. 597 00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:27,680 Speaker 2: So I understand that, and I get it, but I'll 598 00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:30,480 Speaker 2: be honest with you, Bro. The dude is older than me, 599 00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:34,840 Speaker 2: and it's like, you know, bro, if you if you really, 600 00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:38,040 Speaker 2: you're gonna bury me who you don't even know. You 601 00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:40,279 Speaker 2: don't have any idea of what I booked and what 602 00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:44,040 Speaker 2: I didn't book to get over with the Mark crowd, Like, Bro, 603 00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:47,680 Speaker 2: you're gonna be doing this when you're seventy seventy five. 604 00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:50,799 Speaker 2: That's why for Instine, I don't rip people because if 605 00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:54,080 Speaker 2: you look at my response to Jake Roberts on Twitter, 606 00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:59,160 Speaker 2: what did I say? I said Jake Roberts was probably 607 00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:05,000 Speaker 2: the most creative when it came to character and story 608 00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:08,200 Speaker 2: in the history of the business. So I'm not gonna 609 00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:11,960 Speaker 2: sit there and rip you because I know exactly what 610 00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:15,560 Speaker 2: you're trying to do. I think it's sad and pathetic, 611 00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:17,839 Speaker 2: but at the end of the day, I am going 612 00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:21,239 Speaker 2: to put you over because I don't have a problem 613 00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:24,120 Speaker 2: with you, Jake. So you could say whatever you want 614 00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:26,960 Speaker 2: about me, because I understand why you're saying it. 615 00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:30,760 Speaker 3: I feel like you're such a likable guy. I don't 616 00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:35,640 Speaker 3: understand like all of this negativity that comes towards you. 617 00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:40,440 Speaker 2: Because they're feeding into it. This is what This is 618 00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:46,120 Speaker 2: what today's wrestling marks, the dirt sheet writers, this is 619 00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:48,680 Speaker 2: what they want. And what does Jake want to do 620 00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:50,919 Speaker 2: at the end of the day. Come on, Francine, let's 621 00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:53,880 Speaker 2: be honest. He wants to get over with aew because 622 00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:56,440 Speaker 2: maybe I even think he's working there now I know 623 00:37:56,520 --> 00:37:59,440 Speaker 2: he was, I don't know if he's on hiatus. He 624 00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:02,799 Speaker 2: wants to get in good favor with them, So how 625 00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:05,600 Speaker 2: do we do that. I'll just throw rocks and stones 626 00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:09,719 Speaker 2: at Vince Russo because that's what they like. And you know, 627 00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:12,759 Speaker 2: my thing is, bro man, if you want to get 628 00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:16,400 Speaker 2: back into the business that badly, Bro, say whatever you 629 00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:19,839 Speaker 2: want about me, Like, if it's that important to you 630 00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:23,680 Speaker 2: to get back into wrestling, throw me under the bus 631 00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:24,359 Speaker 2: all day long. 632 00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:27,200 Speaker 3: I don't get it. 633 00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:29,640 Speaker 6: I wouldn't ask Jake anything past nineteen eighty nine. 634 00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:34,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I think what's the point. Yeah? Uh? 635 00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:38,240 Speaker 3: I have one one final question for you, biggest misconception 636 00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:40,120 Speaker 3: about Vince Verus. 637 00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:41,160 Speaker 1: Deep, very deep question. 638 00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:49,279 Speaker 2: God, that's it's so that's hard to say because like 639 00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:51,439 Speaker 2: I put it like, I put it all out there, 640 00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:58,280 Speaker 2: I don't I don't hold any punches like I feel 641 00:38:58,280 --> 00:38:59,600 Speaker 2: like you're not understood. 642 00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:02,880 Speaker 3: We're very complex. 643 00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:11,040 Speaker 2: Franstein. I think I'm very very simple. Okay, Vince McMahon 644 00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:14,520 Speaker 2: put me in a position. This is where this all started. 645 00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:20,120 Speaker 2: Vince McMahon put me in a position. Vince, you have 646 00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:24,240 Speaker 2: to get as many people to watch our show as possible. 647 00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:29,560 Speaker 2: You have two hours to do it. Okay, that's it, period. Francine. 648 00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:34,239 Speaker 2: I swear, here's what people don't understand. And Francine, I 649 00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:38,280 Speaker 2: don't know about your background. Here's people I don't understand. 650 00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:41,239 Speaker 2: And if I hear this story one more time, I 651 00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:43,480 Speaker 2: swear to God under the puke in my own mouth. 652 00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:48,360 Speaker 2: I had a dream. Oh, when I was five years old, 653 00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:52,040 Speaker 2: I dreamed of being in the main event of WrestleMania. 654 00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:56,440 Speaker 2: I had a dream, Francine. When I was writing in 655 00:39:56,480 --> 00:40:01,040 Speaker 2: the wrestling business for WWE, w CW, it was not 656 00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:04,839 Speaker 2: a dream. It was a job. It was a job. 657 00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:07,400 Speaker 2: It's no different than what I'm doing now. It's no 658 00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:10,880 Speaker 2: different than when I own video stores. It's no different 659 00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:15,320 Speaker 2: than when I worked for CBS Publishing. I had a job. 660 00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:19,719 Speaker 2: And no matter what job I'm in, you're gonna get 661 00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:22,320 Speaker 2: one hundred and ten percent from me, and I'm gonna 662 00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:26,720 Speaker 2: do the absolute best I can. So it wasn't a dream. 663 00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:30,440 Speaker 2: I wasn't a mark for the business. I wasn't so 664 00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:35,320 Speaker 2: thankful to be there. I had a job to support 665 00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:40,520 Speaker 2: my family. And that's what's so hard for people to 666 00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:45,799 Speaker 2: freaking understand that, Like, I wouldn't have killed for a 667 00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:49,799 Speaker 2: job in the WWE fretzine. I got hired first as 668 00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:54,120 Speaker 2: a freelance writer, and then from there the editor got fired. 669 00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:58,359 Speaker 2: I got the editor's job. Television writing wasn't even on 670 00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:02,239 Speaker 2: my radar. It's not something I wanted to do. They 671 00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:05,880 Speaker 2: were paying me sixty grand as the editor of the 672 00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:09,080 Speaker 2: magazine Francine. I thought that was all the money in 673 00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:13,960 Speaker 2: the world. They moved me to Connecticut. I was able, 674 00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:16,480 Speaker 2: you know we're talking about now, Back in ninety five, 675 00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:20,680 Speaker 2: I was able to support my family on sixty grand. 676 00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:25,520 Speaker 2: I was made. I had no inspirations of writing TV 677 00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:29,239 Speaker 2: and being the head writer of Raw and writing in 678 00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:33,440 Speaker 2: limousines with Vinceth, with Vince McMahon. You think any of 679 00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:37,840 Speaker 2: that crap ever crossed my mind. That shit happened because 680 00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:41,440 Speaker 2: it was supposed to happen. Everything happens for a reason. 681 00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:45,760 Speaker 2: All that stuff was supposed to happen. But people can't 682 00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:49,760 Speaker 2: fathom this wasn't my dream, This isn't what I lived for, 683 00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:55,879 Speaker 2: paying dues and all that bullshit. It's a freaking job, man. 684 00:41:56,440 --> 00:42:00,560 Speaker 3: Ninety nine percent of the boys in the business had 685 00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:05,200 Speaker 3: this dream they were two years old. Like I'm like you, 686 00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:08,279 Speaker 3: I kind of fell into it. I never I didn't 687 00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:10,680 Speaker 3: even like wrestling until I was nineteen years old. Like, 688 00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:12,640 Speaker 3: I didn't watch it my whole life. I want to 689 00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:16,000 Speaker 3: be a mother. I was playing with dolls, yes, when 690 00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:18,520 Speaker 3: I was, you know, ten years old, saying one of 691 00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:21,120 Speaker 3: these days, I'm going to be a momie. That was 692 00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:21,920 Speaker 3: my dream. 693 00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:24,400 Speaker 2: That was my fat because you because you were normal. 694 00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:25,400 Speaker 2: You were normal. 695 00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:28,680 Speaker 3: I'm still say I'm one of the most normal people 696 00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:32,920 Speaker 3: that this business tried to corrupt but did it because 697 00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:36,920 Speaker 3: there was so much temptation and it just wasn't my path, 698 00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:41,080 Speaker 3: you know, Thank God. I thank God every day for 699 00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:44,000 Speaker 3: where I'm at and what I have, and I am 700 00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:47,960 Speaker 3: probably one of the more normal people. You know, we're 701 00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:49,760 Speaker 3: all a little little tiny bit. 702 00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:52,360 Speaker 2: Wacky, right of course, but there's. 703 00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:56,160 Speaker 3: Way more wackier than I am, right, you know what 704 00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:59,440 Speaker 3: I mean? And like for the years I want like 705 00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:01,440 Speaker 3: I've thought I was going to be married at twenty 706 00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:04,440 Speaker 3: I wanted five kids, right, you know, I wanted this 707 00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:07,399 Speaker 3: nice house, and I didn't get that. I didn't meet 708 00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:10,400 Speaker 3: my husband until thirty four. Now I have two beautiful children, 709 00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:12,480 Speaker 3: I have a great husband, I have a great home. Like, 710 00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:16,239 Speaker 3: this is what I dreamed of wrestling. I get where 711 00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:16,880 Speaker 3: you're coming from. 712 00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:19,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I I gotta. I got a degree 713 00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:23,279 Speaker 2: in journalism and I wanted to write. I got the 714 00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:27,960 Speaker 2: job as the editor of the WWF magazine. Oh great, 715 00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:32,640 Speaker 2: this is this is all that I wanted. But it's 716 00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:38,000 Speaker 2: like when this isn't when this isn't your life like 717 00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:43,239 Speaker 2: twenty four seven, Like they've got a problem with that, 718 00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:47,319 Speaker 2: And I'm like, my god, this this will always be 719 00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:49,399 Speaker 2: a job to me. Man. 720 00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:54,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, well I'm not kissing your ass because you 721 00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:59,960 Speaker 3: know I like you. My favorite time was in the nine. 722 00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:03,120 Speaker 3: These lots of the things that you wrote, I was 723 00:44:03,239 --> 00:44:07,520 Speaker 3: very entertained with. I've said it how many times I 724 00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:09,840 Speaker 3: don't watch the current product. I watch it when I 725 00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:12,359 Speaker 3: need to. I watch clips of my friends, and I 726 00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:14,759 Speaker 3: watch things that we have to report on. But I 727 00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:18,160 Speaker 3: was a diehard fan. What drew me in was most 728 00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:20,719 Speaker 3: of the shows that you worked on. So to me, 729 00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:23,360 Speaker 3: that was when wrestling was at its peak and it 730 00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:26,560 Speaker 3: was very entertaining, and that's when I would sit there 731 00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:30,960 Speaker 3: for the three hours and enjoy the whole ride. You know, now, 732 00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:34,840 Speaker 3: I don't have the willpower to sit for three hours. 733 00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:37,440 Speaker 2: You know what it is. I swear to God. It 734 00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:41,320 Speaker 2: really dawned on me, I'd say about a couple of 735 00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:45,759 Speaker 2: weeks ago, and Francine, I swear to God, Chad, if 736 00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:50,719 Speaker 2: you start looking at it this way, it really becomes 737 00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:57,120 Speaker 2: much more understandable. Okay, And I've come to the conclusion. Listen. 738 00:44:57,280 --> 00:45:01,240 Speaker 2: I watched the shows, and I the shows every week, 739 00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:03,480 Speaker 2: and and here's why I ripped the shows because I 740 00:45:03,560 --> 00:45:07,600 Speaker 2: say to myself, bro, when that show is over, there 741 00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:09,759 Speaker 2: is no way in hell you can look in the 742 00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:14,840 Speaker 2: mirror and say I I did the absolute best that 743 00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:20,319 Speaker 2: I can. It's lazy booking. Everything is drawn out. They're 744 00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:24,040 Speaker 2: just trying to fill three hours. But then I finally 745 00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:28,760 Speaker 2: came to the conclusion because I noticed, like Francine, TRIPLEH 746 00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:34,560 Speaker 2: was making like just so there were so many mistakes 747 00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:38,640 Speaker 2: that was like wrestling one oh one, like so many 748 00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:44,000 Speaker 2: just simple stupid mistakes. And as a guy that worked 749 00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:46,600 Speaker 2: with Triple H. And respect to Triple H. I'm sitting 750 00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:49,720 Speaker 2: here and I'm saying, Bro, this guy came from Killikowalski. 751 00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:54,479 Speaker 2: He can't he Bro. I can't sit here and say 752 00:45:54,520 --> 00:45:57,360 Speaker 2: Triple H is an idiot and doesn't know what he's doing. 753 00:45:57,880 --> 00:46:01,800 Speaker 2: But there's no other explanation because the things I'm talking 754 00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:05,839 Speaker 2: about are elementary. Then you know, as I'm pondering this 755 00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:12,160 Speaker 2: frien scene, I come up with the answer. I think 756 00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:17,920 Speaker 2: in twenty twenty three. Right now, it's this simple. I 757 00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:25,640 Speaker 2: think the WWE are looking at themselves as strictly content creators, 758 00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:30,160 Speaker 2: and it doesn't matter if the content is good, if 759 00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:34,560 Speaker 2: the content is bad, if the content doesn't draw ratings, 760 00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:39,280 Speaker 2: none of that matters. Because now you know, with streaming 761 00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:42,680 Speaker 2: services and you know SmackDown was just picked up by 762 00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:48,399 Speaker 2: USA and now they're shopping raw. They are content creators. 763 00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:52,839 Speaker 2: I don't think they care about that content because come on, Francine, 764 00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:58,160 Speaker 2: at ECW, you are around some of the greatest talents 765 00:46:58,640 --> 00:47:02,439 Speaker 2: in the business that are still talked about today. When 766 00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:07,840 Speaker 2: you turn on their show, I swear to you fifty 767 00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:13,000 Speaker 2: percent of that roster has no business being on television. 768 00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:14,160 Speaker 3: Zero. 769 00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:18,160 Speaker 2: But you know, they're never gonna get over. Nobody's ever 770 00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:21,800 Speaker 2: gonna remember who they are, So why are they there. 771 00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:28,120 Speaker 2: They're there to create content. That's all they care about. 772 00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:31,319 Speaker 2: So when if you can start looking at it through 773 00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:36,320 Speaker 2: that as through that aspect, it really explains why you're 774 00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:38,680 Speaker 2: just not getting good television shows anymore. 775 00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:42,400 Speaker 3: I love your honesty. That's that's the one thing I 776 00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:46,520 Speaker 3: admire about you, Vincere. You're just honest to a fault. 777 00:47:47,120 --> 00:47:51,239 Speaker 3: And I appreciate you coming on and giving us your 778 00:47:51,239 --> 00:47:54,360 Speaker 3: two cents about the business these days because I appreciate. 779 00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:56,359 Speaker 2: It, and you know, for instance, like I can talk 780 00:47:56,400 --> 00:47:58,440 Speaker 2: for all three of us. Here's the one thing that 781 00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:02,960 Speaker 2: bothers me about that kind except Francine, this is your show. 782 00:48:03,160 --> 00:48:07,160 Speaker 2: Chad's producing your show, he's your co host. This is 783 00:48:07,239 --> 00:48:11,000 Speaker 2: my show, this is my podcast. Listen, man, When my 784 00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:15,640 Speaker 2: name is attached to anything, I want it to be 785 00:48:15,719 --> 00:48:18,360 Speaker 2: the best it possibly can. I don't care if people 786 00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:20,200 Speaker 2: love it or hate it. I got to be able 787 00:48:20,239 --> 00:48:22,120 Speaker 2: to look at myself and say, Bro, you gave it 788 00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:25,440 Speaker 2: your ale, you did everything. So here's what I'm talking about, Francine. 789 00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:31,359 Speaker 2: One word pride. What's your freaking pride? I don't care 790 00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:35,279 Speaker 2: that your content creators, your name is on this? What 791 00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:40,040 Speaker 2: happened to your pride? Because I'm sure Chad and Francine 792 00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:42,480 Speaker 2: you don't want to put anything out there that shit. 793 00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:45,680 Speaker 2: And I'm sure that if you thought it was shit, 794 00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:50,000 Speaker 2: you do it over. I've done that. I've recorded shows 795 00:48:50,040 --> 00:48:53,760 Speaker 2: on my own that I thought were shit that I've 796 00:48:53,800 --> 00:48:58,279 Speaker 2: done over. So like that, that's the one thing is like, bro, 797 00:48:59,160 --> 00:49:02,440 Speaker 2: whether you're content ten creators or not, your name is 798 00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:07,399 Speaker 2: on this. Where's your pride? That's all you. 799 00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:10,279 Speaker 3: Have to end with that because we can't say no more. 800 00:49:10,680 --> 00:49:14,720 Speaker 3: They tell people where they can find you on social 801 00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:16,520 Speaker 3: media and what to sign up for. 802 00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:19,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, guys, I'm just I'm just going to tell you 803 00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:23,160 Speaker 2: one thing, man, because again, it's the holidays, Black Fridays, 804 00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:26,399 Speaker 2: every weekend, so we have a deal right now. If 805 00:49:26,400 --> 00:49:28,839 Speaker 2: you've never been a member of our Patreon, you could 806 00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:30,840 Speaker 2: see it right on the screen. Just go to patreon 807 00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:35,520 Speaker 2: dot com, forward slash russo TWC and sign up for 808 00:49:35,560 --> 00:49:36,439 Speaker 2: your free week. 809 00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:39,400 Speaker 3: I appreciate you so much, thank you for coming on. 810 00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:41,120 Speaker 3: I think you're a three timer now. 811 00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:42,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so. 812 00:49:43,520 --> 00:49:45,879 Speaker 6: Yeah, he came on once then he co hosted when 813 00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:49,000 Speaker 6: you were sitting around and then this would be number three. 814 00:49:49,239 --> 00:49:51,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, you've done a lot of good business today. 815 00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:53,880 Speaker 3: It's always a pleasure speaking to you, Sarah. I have 816 00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:57,640 Speaker 3: the utmost respect for you and everybody. Go over to 817 00:49:57,719 --> 00:50:00,560 Speaker 3: the brand and sign up because this man what he's. 818 00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:03,240 Speaker 1: Talking and I will have the man give you my best. 819 00:50:04,360 --> 00:50:06,799 Speaker 3: Thank you so much for coming on. Merry Christmas, Happy 820 00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:07,279 Speaker 3: New Year, and. 821 00:50:08,120 --> 00:50:11,480 Speaker 2: Thank you guys. Have a graduate of that man. Take care. 822 00:50:14,920 --> 00:50:24,799 Speaker 7: Yeah. Oh Francine Francis France, Queen Extreme Extreme pizes up here. 823 00:50:25,080 --> 00:50:30,279 Speaker 7: Hen head, the Queen Extreme podcast pis up here. 824 00:50:31,880 --> 00:50:33,560 Speaker 2: It's the Queen Extreme Podcast. 825 00:50:34,600 --> 00:50:37,440 Speaker 7: It's the Queen of Extreme Bruy and the legendship is 826 00:50:37,520 --> 00:50:41,320 Speaker 7: the woman of your dreams. Legend on the scene. Francine podcast, 827 00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:43,600 Speaker 7: What you mean? What your tramplads to show you what 828 00:50:43,680 --> 00:50:45,680 Speaker 7: you need? Just the stand of Queens