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Speaker 1: Frankie Stanford join us right now. It's the closer, Chris Venture.
Speaker 1: What's up? Chris? What's up? What's up? Everybody? Yep? Back
Speaker 1: for starting pictures, which but honestly, I'm not entirely prepared for.
Speaker 1: But we'll take it one by one by one. The
Speaker 1: honesty is literally all we can have so much entirely
Speaker 1: prepared for. But hey, you know what we'll learn on
Speaker 1: the fly hitters? Pretty mumuch done. You're very pared for
Speaker 1: our hitter shows. Yeah, the hitters, you know, but the
Speaker 1: pitch is a whole different animal. You know what I mean. Like,
Speaker 1: it's not huge project, but I'll be on it. We
Speaker 1: I want to saw this off with a tribute question
Speaker 1: if you don't mind, sure what active picture you actually
Speaker 1: like this year? Give me that's a hint. What active
Speaker 1: picture has the record for most consecutive games with a strikeout?
Speaker 1: Most starting picture starting with starting Because so potence has
Speaker 1: had the record of forty four gay appearances in a
Speaker 1: row with a strikeout for a reliever? What active? What
Speaker 1: active player holds it for a starter? Wait, but what
Speaker 1: do you mean? She explained the question again. The starting
Speaker 1: picture with the most active, the most consecutive starts start
Speaker 1: with a strike with at least one strike on strike
Speaker 1: ext No, that was too obviously an answer. Yeah, Chris Sale. No, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're older than a guy like Chris Sale. Ch Oh
Speaker 1: yeah right, it's gotta be somebody's done for long while
Speaker 1: longer Berlander, So that's what I thought it was. It's
Speaker 1: not Land it would have been my guess. That is
Speaker 1: not correct, Evely. Wow, you just gonna remember if you
Speaker 1: if you started and got hurt or something and left
Speaker 1: the gate like counts. So I don't know what deals
Speaker 1: Verlind Verlander is not correct. Okay, who's around a while?
Speaker 1: It's a good questioner, No, yeah, no, I think Kershal
Speaker 1: a second. I think second. I'll get you the number
Speaker 1: three h sixteen consecutive starts shrikeouts, so Verlander would be second.
Speaker 1: If it was appearances, Cole Hamils would be first on this.
Speaker 1: That is correct. What do we think of do you?
Speaker 1: I am a fan of Cole Hamiles. Um what he
Speaker 1: did last year while he was with the Chicago Cubs.
Speaker 1: He basically went through through a transformation, little renaissance here
Speaker 1: for for Cole Hamils last year. Look two point three
Speaker 1: six e r A in seventy six innings twelve starts
Speaker 1: with the Chicago Cubs. I'm not expecting that, but his
Speaker 1: underlying numbers were pretty good. I think he just kind
Speaker 1: of needed that chea change scener. He goes over to
Speaker 1: the winning contender like the Chicago Cubs. He gets out
Speaker 1: of Texas, which is a tough ballpark to pitching, especially
Speaker 1: for a guy like him with the age picture like
Speaker 1: Cole Hamile's, the walks came down last year. The strikeouts
Speaker 1: went up near forty percent strikeout rate, the strand rate,
Speaker 1: the left on base percentage was a little bit lucky
Speaker 1: last year with the Cubs. But overall, look, I don't
Speaker 1: think he's gonna be a two point three six e
Speaker 1: r A. But if all the peripherals are saying that
Speaker 1: he was a his time with the Cubs, that he
Speaker 1: was a sub, you know, like three six ear a
Speaker 1: kind of guy. If I could get a hundred and
Speaker 1: eighty innings out of like a three six three seven
Speaker 1: e r A Cole Hamiles with that offense, with that
Speaker 1: defense behind him as well, especially where he's gonna, I
Speaker 1: think he's gonna have a lot of opportunities to win
Speaker 1: games too. I don't want him as one of my
Speaker 1: top two starting pictures, but if I could get him
Speaker 1: as like my three or four, I'm I'm all right
Speaker 1: with that fours I would be cool with like ideally. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So like he's ranked forty one on Fantasy pros dot Com.
Speaker 1: That who's who's right around him? Alice k I Nether
Speaker 1: have handles definitely, Bieber, Uh they have you let to
Speaker 1: have Hamile, Ben happ Hey, Pavetta. Pavetta is ahead of him.
Speaker 1: Uh at Water Rodriguez ahead of an all the hype guys,
Speaker 1: all of the hype Vetta, Bieber and Warter Rodrick like
Speaker 1: these are all like all the h and you know,
Speaker 1: I like those two guys. What's up? I really like
Speaker 1: those two guys, Pavetta and Rodriguez, of course I do.
Speaker 1: I like guys at K people. That's it. It's that simple.
Speaker 1: Do you like Cole Hamils? Can you buy back in?
Speaker 1: That's the problem. So I've had Cole Hamils a lot.
Speaker 1: I had him the year he his last great year,
Speaker 1: He's been bad. No, like, there's no way to sugarcoat it.
Speaker 1: I mean last year his collective ear a was three
Speaker 1: point seven eight. The year before that with the Rangers
Speaker 1: four point two zero. It kind of, you know, it
Speaker 1: looked like the end was coming, right, That's when I
Speaker 1: thought it was over. You know, it kind of looks
Speaker 1: like that. But he kind of had a renaissance last
Speaker 1: year with the Chicago Cubs, and I don't know that
Speaker 1: he's getting the uh his swingy striker he was still
Speaker 1: over twelve percent less. Yeah, the strikers when people are
Speaker 1: chasing pitches outside his zone thirty two three percent of
Speaker 1: the time. With Cole Hamil's he almost had any right. So,
Speaker 1: but the year before he had a hundred dings and
Speaker 1: a hundred and five k's that worried me. Um the
Speaker 1: four two, right, I thought, now I had him like
Speaker 1: the year he had the three three two on Texas
Speaker 1: and everything like that. But I seen like his his dead,
Speaker 1: you know, him declining. Also I had him like a a
Speaker 1: couple of years in a row. I thing I kept him,
Speaker 1: I think, Um, But like I just don't know, I
Speaker 1: don't know if I want to buy back in the thing.
Speaker 1: Is that where the value is right now, it's not bad.
Speaker 1: That's gound pick one fifty one, right, So an A
Speaker 1: d P and NFBC ADP is gonna pick one one
Speaker 1: pitcher off the board that's not starting pitcher because relief
Speaker 1: pitchers are included here. But Vetta again it's going just
Speaker 1: ahead of him, Bieber going right around him as well.
Speaker 1: Edward Rodriguez. You know, if you ask me, Greg, I
Speaker 1: think he's a good guy to kind of pair with
Speaker 1: one of these guys, because these are starting pitchers who
Speaker 1: are young, who might have a little bit of volatility. Like, yes,
Speaker 1: we all think that they have great upside, but if
Speaker 1: in Cole Hamils is one of those guys that can
Speaker 1: kind of balance it out where proven that kind of
Speaker 1: expect him to be around that, you know, three six,
Speaker 1: maybe three seven a uh like a one two oh
Speaker 1: whip something like that. Any he's gonna get wins. I'm
Speaker 1: worried about the endings pitched with Hamilt's really Yeah. That's
Speaker 1: why I think he's a good guy to pair with
Speaker 1: these guys, because I I worry about the endings pitch
Speaker 1: for a guy like Hurt all the time, or Nick
Speaker 1: Pavetta who hasn't necessarily done it. What happened when he
Speaker 1: only put your hundred forty eight ins? Why why did
Speaker 1: he only pitch? I don't remember. I guess he was hurt.
Speaker 1: It must have been hurt. But every season other than that, dude,
Speaker 1: it's been a hundred ninety every year since oh seven. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I know. I don't want to look too far back
Speaker 1: because the guy's thirty five years old. I mean, I
Speaker 1: wouldn't project it right, but I would project Cole Hamils
Speaker 1: for one, you know one and that right, three six,
Speaker 1: three seventy r a with with a near strike up
Speaker 1: for any four four. Not that kind of what you
Speaker 1: want these guys to be like, Yeah, I think they
Speaker 1: have a little bit more upside like Vetta and in
Speaker 1: Water of Rodriguez, like you might think that, Okay, you
Speaker 1: know they have this next step that they could take
Speaker 1: where you know, the this is the range where last
Speaker 1: year we were finding Blake's now and tie on and
Speaker 1: and not even flower right because he was going even
Speaker 1: later than this, but uh, Mike Clevinger right, like he
Speaker 1: was going around this range last year. So you want
Speaker 1: to try and load up on as many of these
Speaker 1: upside guys as you possibly can to see if you
Speaker 1: can hit. But again, not all of them are gonna hit.
Speaker 1: So I think co Hambles is kind of like a
Speaker 1: safe starting picture to pair with one or again, just
Speaker 1: try and get as many of these I guess upside
Speaker 1: pictures as you can. I guess he's safe. I just
Speaker 1: think that, Yeah, I guess it's ages um, but thirty
Speaker 1: five years old, Like I I worry about the decline,
Speaker 1: So is it coming? You worry? You worry about like
Speaker 1: justin Verlander two early on in your drafts, if of
Speaker 1: all the big guys in the front of the draft
Speaker 1: as as pictures, Vilin is the one I worry about
Speaker 1: the moment, and then we're after talking to Nick, I'm
Speaker 1: more worried about Cluber than Marlander. What do you say
Speaker 1: about Cluber the skills are declining, that the fast ball
Speaker 1: has been declining. He doesn't necessarily have the side of
Speaker 1: like other guys in that range, with Garrett Cole and
Speaker 1: Trevor Bauer, who took these huge steps forward last season,
Speaker 1: even Aaron Nola to an extent um is the hard
Speaker 1: hit rate was up last year was like thirty seven
Speaker 1: percent for Corey Kluberg was like, by far and away
Speaker 1: the most in his career. Let me ask you this, Frank,
Speaker 1: who would you rather have this year? Cole Hamils or
Speaker 1: Kyle Hendrix. Definitely Hamil's, Ok, I'm not doing the Kyle Hendricks. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Hendricks is another one at a good at a good
Speaker 1: end of the year. He did Greg he did. We
Speaker 1: did the same thing last year and then we owned him.
Speaker 1: How fun was it to own was its own? Kyle Hendricks?
Speaker 1: Kyle Hendricks? How fun was that? Wasn't so funny? I
Speaker 1: mean he did have a three full four year, right.
Speaker 1: He wasn't good, dude. I'm telling you, I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: do what I promise you. He was bad most of
Speaker 1: the season till the end, like late all September. He
Speaker 1: was very good before that. He was like I dropped him.
Speaker 1: I just dropped him. He was that bad. I do
Speaker 1: not regret it. Yeah, No, he was super frustrated on
Speaker 1: especially in a points league like a star to start
Speaker 1: bassis like, he was very frustrating to own. And I know,
Speaker 1: you know Florida was here shout out to Florida, miss
Speaker 1: you buddy. Uh No, he didn't die so that he
Speaker 1: actually just tweeted. You know that was me pointing towards California.
Speaker 1: I guess I don't know, but Florio, you know, his
Speaker 1: ears are probably ringing right now because like every year
Speaker 1: he loves him for points leagues, and I'm sure like
Speaker 1: he's going to tell people again like rab Kyle Hendricks
Speaker 1: points leagues just because oh I actually I have his
Speaker 1: I have his rankings. I don't want well, you can't
Speaker 1: give out too much. They're behind the pay. Well I understand,
Speaker 1: but you want me to give out. Where does he
Speaker 1: have Kyle Hendricks rank? Why don't actually the order? I
Speaker 1: have the order, I don't have the number. Who does
Speaker 1: he have high Kyle Hendricks or Cole Hamil's guaranteed he
Speaker 1: as Kyle Hendricks higher? Right, So I just hot he's
Speaker 1: not old, he's nine. Kyle Hendrix is his rank starting Pitcher. Wow, Look,
Speaker 1: he's ahead of names, ahead of names like Miles Mikolas,
Speaker 1: David Price, Michael assumed Man, Chris Archer, Robbie Ray probably
Speaker 1: come on, Mike Pistillo as he's thirty four, pikel Rich Hill.
Speaker 1: I understand having Hendricks ahead of some of those like
Speaker 1: I have him head right, So Kyle Hendricks number five
Speaker 1: according to Mike Florio, co Hamil's number. Wow, decline, alright,
Speaker 1: you gotta talk to out about bathroom right now at
Speaker 1: your job listening so we can discuss this god so
Speaker 1: clearly seven, So clearly. Florio thinks that he could get
Speaker 1: behind guys like Ross Stripling, behind jap, behind and behind
Speaker 1: Tyler Scaggs as well. I like Skaggs, like Gags to
Speaker 1: well ahead of some ahead of Chris Padock, though, if
Speaker 1: they're points the HiPE guy and you want to talk
Speaker 1: about Hike, everyone's get excited about christ Pack. You don't
Speaker 1: think that Hendricks get back to under three right Ever, again,
Speaker 1: I think it's still possible. He still could do it.
Speaker 1: He's trending in the wrong direction and his his peripherals
Speaker 1: have been right around three point eight. The past two years. Right,
Speaker 1: his fifth and X fit in seventeen three point eight eight,
Speaker 1: three point seven six, His FIP and X fit in
Speaker 1: three point seven eight and three point eight seven. So
Speaker 1: he's a three points consistency. He's right around there two
Speaker 1: years in a row. He's closer to his skills. This
Speaker 1: is what it's telling us. His skills are around a
Speaker 1: three point seven three point eight picture. But he's been
Speaker 1: helped out because he has a great defense. Obviously three
Speaker 1: five Chicago Cubs. I mean, you know, you see some
Speaker 1: of the players that Javier Baias makes. I mean, the
Speaker 1: guy's a magician out there. He's been helped by great
Speaker 1: defense behind him for years. So you could say he's
Speaker 1: a three five to three seventy r A guy. Right,
Speaker 1: He's just gonna be closer to with three seven three
Speaker 1: eight e r A. According to Cole, Hamiles could be
Speaker 1: better than that. And I think Cole Hamiles could be
Speaker 1: a strikeout for any kind of guy, or at least close,
Speaker 1: you know, like between eight and nine, case for nine.
Speaker 1: I mean, the thing you gotta loved, his strikeouts have
Speaker 1: been declining. He's not a big strikeout guy. I don't want,
Speaker 1: I don't like in the mid tier of starting pitchers
Speaker 1: and talking about the Chicago Cubs here. I mean, I'm
Speaker 1: not he's not a big key guy. But his thing,
Speaker 1: you gotta like, his whips always gonna be low. He
Speaker 1: don't walk anybody, That's true. He doesn't walk. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean the whip has never been higher than one point
Speaker 1: one nine. So even if you're playing rodo like, this
Speaker 1: is a guy that you can target in the middle
Speaker 1: round whip, but you gotta, you gotta, you know what,
Speaker 1: he's a good guy to pair with, like a Robbie Ray.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Ok, Because he's gonna give
Speaker 1: you a lot of strikeouts, but he's gonna have a
Speaker 1: high whip too, because he walks. A lot of guys.
Speaker 1: I think that makes them sense, right, like your pair
Speaker 1: Kyle Hendricks with a guy that has that strikeout upside,
Speaker 1: but it's also gonna have a high whip, maybe even
Speaker 1: like an award of Rodriguez, right, like something like what
Speaker 1: it makes sense co Hamils. Then he still kind of
Speaker 1: represent like those two guys combined. Theoretically. He's older, and
Speaker 1: I think that's like the problem. He was really bad
Speaker 1: in Texas last year. It's really good with the Cubs
Speaker 1: though I know animal, I don't know. I might be
Speaker 1: with Floria here. I might take Hendricks before call him dude.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that's fine. Picks spots higher in his rankings,
Speaker 1: that's a lot. I don't know about that. But you know,
Speaker 1: if he likes me, likes you want Floria's rankings, I
Speaker 1: do his patriarch I like that. He I like Floria,
Speaker 1: you know. I like how Floria doesn't let anybody phase
Speaker 1: what he does. He just doesn't do. The thing is
Speaker 1: he hasn't that to deal with us. That's why he
Speaker 1: did it. He did it his way. I could understand
Speaker 1: that because every day being when you guys you guys
Speaker 1: influenced me a little bit to like not like guys.
Speaker 1: And then you know, like certain year, that's kind of
Speaker 1: the point though, where we learned to like Kyle Hendricks.
Speaker 1: Last year that was hated Michael Floorio. Listen, that was me,
Speaker 1: that was this was a headache man. Yeah, but you
Speaker 1: can't go. I'll take the I will take the want
Speaker 1: to rip my hair out as little hair as I have. Yeah,
Speaker 1: eighty six soft tosser, but he's so accurate. Guys like
Speaker 1: Jamie Moyer. He's like not even thirty years old. How
Speaker 1: old is Kyle Hendricks? It was eighty six miles per
Speaker 1: hour to Greg. If you can make it work, if
Speaker 1: you're would you have Kyle Hendricks Dallas Kaiko? You don't
Speaker 1: know what team he is on. I don't care all
Speaker 1: I love Kaiko. Maybe I liked Kaiko last year and
Speaker 1: he let me down to he did you want to
Speaker 1: talk about a frustrating pitcher to watch last season? He'll
Speaker 1: let you. I don't want either one of these guys.
Speaker 1: They're not active targets like cool handles over both. But
Speaker 1: the upside of Kaiko is much better. Love cool alum.
Speaker 1: The Kayako upside is huge. I'm currently working on my
Speaker 1: starting pitcher rankings, so I don't know where Cole Hamil's
Speaker 1: is gonna be yet. It's not gonna be fifty seven.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you that right now, so you can census
Speaker 1: ranking for Hamil's right now is forty three. Doing math
Speaker 1: in my head a little bit. Right now, your best subject,
Speaker 1: Cole Hamiles is going to be like in like the
Speaker 1: thirty five to forty range. He's gonna be a top
Speaker 1: forty starting pitture for me. Okay, fair enough. I mean,
Speaker 1: where do you draw on this? I don't know where
Speaker 1: he is in my rankings. I don't think fifty seven
Speaker 1: seems low, but I do think that what we're saying
Speaker 1: Parry Cole Hamiles is one of these hype guys. It
Speaker 1: makes a lot of sense. And that's what I tried
Speaker 1: to do last year, know honestly, with Kyle Hendricks, which
Speaker 1: is why I brought Kyle Hendricks up because pared and
Speaker 1: Louise cast That's what I did, and very badly that's
Speaker 1: going to happen to do it with her Man marquesas
Speaker 1: year this year is No, he's much more safe. I'm
Speaker 1: not saying in terms of like what I expect his
Speaker 1: performance to be mean, but he's get rapidly starting. Pitch
Speaker 1: loves her mind a lot of people like, I mean,
Speaker 1: Pitch two D two. What's not to like that? That's
Speaker 1: what he said. It's not like not to like that,
Speaker 1: you know. For I'm okay with that, though, I'm okay
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Speaker 1: thing I can tell you, don't draft Dallas Kiko and
Speaker 1: don't drafty come on favorites like I'm looking deeper. I've
Speaker 1: never heard like one of those guys that you want
Speaker 1: to own until you own and then when you own
Speaker 1: them it sucks. I've never heard just come on, Dallas
Speaker 1: Kiel of the ground ball rate is declining. It went
Speaker 1: from sixty seven percent we got a little un lucky though,
Speaker 1: was seven legs terrible? Well, he's not gonna k a
Speaker 1: ton of guys aside throws ninety miles an hour barely.
Speaker 1: How would you pointsonly like this guy, I love K guys.
Speaker 1: But then know the next best thing, I like guys
Speaker 1: that go deep into game games? Yeah, how could you
Speaker 1: not like? Yeah, like he could go deep into games
Speaker 1: because he doesn't K people. Guys that k people are
Speaker 1: less likely go deep because so many pitches kan people,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, They're going deeper into counts. Kiko, Mike,
Speaker 1: get a groundball, ground ball and in three pitches. This
Speaker 1: is this is the Roado versus points discussion though, because
Speaker 1: again for points, you want volume. That's what Ventures saying.
Speaker 1: You want guys that are gonna go deep into games,
Speaker 1: guys that are gonna give you ennings. But with Rhodo
Speaker 1: you want the guys that are It doesn't matter if
Speaker 1: they go five innings, because if they're giving you eight
Speaker 1: strikeouts during that spanning a you know, a two e
Speaker 1: r A and five innings pitched, you're fine with that
Speaker 1: is they're helping your peripherals and strikeout. So for roto like,
Speaker 1: you don't really care how deep a guy goes. Obviously
Speaker 1: you wanted to go deep. You have use wins and
Speaker 1: quality starts in the road. We do, I mean some
Speaker 1: people do quality starts as a category instead of wins
Speaker 1: that you know, winds are lucky. I mean, look at
Speaker 1: King Felix's career. He has very few wins, but the
Speaker 1: quality starts a much much better. Getting updates from Michael
Speaker 1: Floria here read the text mess here, don't do the
Speaker 1: hamilest thing. In my opinion, l l one good month
Speaker 1: September deeper numbers on par with months not August. He's right,
Speaker 1: I will do the hamilest thing late, is right? Explain
Speaker 1: to Yeah, he's not right, but look he's got a
Speaker 1: full season of the Cubs defense behind him, right, Like,
Speaker 1: isn't that part of the reason why we've liked Kyle
Speaker 1: Hendrix all this time, because he has a good defense
Speaker 1: behind him and then he can out pitch his peripherals.
Speaker 1: Why can't call Hamile's do it? Then? Why do we
Speaker 1: like hendricks on the clubs and not the other Hendrix
Speaker 1: is also ground and the skills are better. The skills
Speaker 1: are better for for Cole Hamiles don't want Kyle Hendrix
Speaker 1: gets more. I'm defending myself, so you're not gonna direct
Speaker 1: just texting. So here's a good question if you don't
Speaker 1: like either of them, like in that area, who who
Speaker 1: the guys you're targeting in that area? Okay, let me
Speaker 1: see her hanging Alright, you're a big Herman Marquis. I'm
Speaker 1: not herman Marquez fan Um, he's just gonna draft Shane
Speaker 1: Bieber because I do like Justin b. Everyone likes Shane b.
Speaker 1: Like Justin Berlsa. I do got the fever, so I
Speaker 1: owned Biebes. So the reason I like Shane Bieber owned
Speaker 1: him last year too, and like it was up and
Speaker 1: down and he was still learning, but like you saw
Speaker 1: it what he could do, and he's really good for
Speaker 1: points leaks to the ability to strike people out. He
Speaker 1: also has the ability to go deep in the games.
Speaker 1: He was always afforded that opportunity. But I think there's
Speaker 1: at a young age to the France Times, the franchise
Speaker 1: of the Cleveland Indians, right, they turn out starting pitchers
Speaker 1: like this all the time, Like Dave developed guys like
Speaker 1: Klueberg and Carrasco and Trevor Bauer to this point and
Speaker 1: no really great read with mod Modica starting pitcher preview
Speaker 1: on the Athletic. I encourage everyone to go out and
Speaker 1: check it out. What he said about Shane Bieber and
Speaker 1: what he continues to say is he has to learn
Speaker 1: that he has to He doesn't have to win every
Speaker 1: single He needs to harness his skills against everything. Like
Speaker 1: he pitches in the zone too much. That like like
Speaker 1: his his walks per nine are great, it's one point.
Speaker 1: His walk ratio is azing, and you know in the
Speaker 1: minor leagues he didn't walk anybody. Like His walks per
Speaker 1: nine for most of his career in the minor leagues
Speaker 1: was one. But you can't pitch in the zone as
Speaker 1: much at the major league level because we're gonna get hammered.
Speaker 1: It looks at the hard hit rate with Shane Bieber,
Speaker 1: it was so he was pitching inside the zone too much.
Speaker 1: He's got to learn to trust his stuff a little bit,
Speaker 1: because his stuff is great. The stuff is there. He's
Speaker 1: got to throw it outside the strike to a little
Speaker 1: bit more and try and get people to chase because
Speaker 1: he's not used to doing and he's gonna learn how
Speaker 1: to do it and you starting picture that he's throwing
Speaker 1: so much in the zone and still had over a
Speaker 1: k per inning nine point still six k per nine.
Speaker 1: As Venturus said, the ear a of Shane Bieber last
Speaker 1: year four or five five, but the fifth was three
Speaker 1: to three, and it is a lastic difference. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: gotta like this. You gotta like to do a lot
Speaker 1: of people are expecting him to pitch closer to those
Speaker 1: peripherals this year, like a sub three five e r
Speaker 1: A on a good team with the Cleveland Indian. What
Speaker 1: has to come down is the home runs. He led
Speaker 1: over a home run per nine, which isn't good twelve
Speaker 1: point one, because like he's gotta learn to expand the
Speaker 1: zone a little bit, and he definitely had. He's a
Speaker 1: young guy's first year. This is like his maturity as
Speaker 1: a starting picture. He never had to do that in
Speaker 1: the minor leagues. Because it's the minor league. It's kind
Speaker 1: of interesting. So do you gotta remember that Shane Shane Bieber,
Speaker 1: assuming it's just forty more innings and the year before
Speaker 1: he's only to pitch a hundred and fifty or so innings.
Speaker 1: This year's he got. You gotta take that into account.
Speaker 1: He's not gonna get dings or even close. Um drafting
Speaker 1: has been rotally right. So again it comes down to
Speaker 1: you just want him to be awesome in like the
Speaker 1: one fifty one sixty. Would you rather have him? Would
Speaker 1: you guys? Speaking of that, would you guys rather have
Speaker 1: Shane Bieber or rich Hill? Biber definitely easy, I think,
Speaker 1: go ahead and look up his rank. He loves rich
Speaker 1: Hill too. I can't touch Hill because I need fund,
Speaker 1: so I could yell he has Shane Bieber four spots
Speaker 1: higher than Richell, but he's still I mean that just
Speaker 1: what means he has rich Hill entirely too hot. He
Speaker 1: has rich Hill especially he's better for rhocause he's gonna
Speaker 1: be really good when he had him. Just wait until
Speaker 1: he gets dropped in your league. Don't draft him, because
Speaker 1: I tell you the same thing happens with rich Hill
Speaker 1: every year. He sucks early on, he gets hurt, he
Speaker 1: gets a blister, he gets dropped in fantasy. People pick
Speaker 1: him up. He's awesome in the second half, and people
Speaker 1: buy into it the next season, and then when you
Speaker 1: own him, you regret it because he sucks early on
Speaker 1: and he gets hurt, and then you drop him and
Speaker 1: then he if someone else picks him up and reaps
Speaker 1: all the rewards when it comes to Richard, and it's
Speaker 1: not only that draft him. Just wait till someone drops.
Speaker 1: He's a guy happening like two or three years in
Speaker 1: a row. Now, same stuff. His stuff is great. That
Speaker 1: curve ball is absolutely disgusting, twelve to six, huge looping
Speaker 1: curve ball. But here's the thing. He doesn't pitch innings.
Speaker 1: I had him one year and he was pitching five innings, Max, Like,
Speaker 1: he comes out of the game so early. You don't
Speaker 1: want that point. You want to talk about dodger ititis right,
Speaker 1: a term that nick. You know he's gonna get. And
Speaker 1: they're not even fans of del Stins. They're real Delstins.
Speaker 1: He's gonna get real del Stins. And he's starting. They
Speaker 1: have enough depth with their talking up Juio, you're rys
Speaker 1: now and they're talking up raw strippling, and they have
Speaker 1: Ken Jin Ryou and they have Kent in my head
Speaker 1: and they have a lot of depth. So you know
Speaker 1: they can afford to put him on the DL whenever
Speaker 1: they want. I will say this, when he pitches, he's
Speaker 1: he's going to perform like a starting pitcher. Eventually they don't.
Speaker 1: Once he gets healthy, that's gonna be in the second half.
Speaker 1: You speaking of Dodger, right, it's a good shot kind
Speaker 1: of circle back to Walker Bueler, who you didn't get
Speaker 1: a chance to really comment because you're rushing out with
Speaker 1: Nick at the end of the hour. Um, he likes
Speaker 1: Walker Bueller. He doesn't love Walker Bueler because that Dodger
Speaker 1: right is because of um Phantom d Elston's and injuries.
Speaker 1: And he was amazing the playoffs, and I get it,
Speaker 1: but he had Syndergard ranks over Walker Bueller. You obviously
Speaker 1: took Bueler over Syndergard. A lot of people love Walker
Speaker 1: Bueller this year. You're one of them. How come I
Speaker 1: don't love him? I like him, I don't think he's
Speaker 1: adequate where he's going in the third round. And the
Speaker 1: Dodgers are another franchise similar to the Cleveland Indians, where
Speaker 1: they just turn out great starting pitchers man and they're
Speaker 1: really good at developing that. And we saw it within
Speaker 1: the season last year with Walker Bueller, where you got
Speaker 1: a lot better in the second half. I know the
Speaker 1: eleven percent swinging shrike rate is not elite level like
Speaker 1: a Noah synder Guard. But in the second half last
Speaker 1: year it did go up. It went up to twelve
Speaker 1: and a half percent. In the first half it was
Speaker 1: nine percent Sweening shrike rate for Bueller. Second half it
Speaker 1: was twelve and a half percent for Walker Bueller. And
Speaker 1: you one of these guys where you know, I tell
Speaker 1: you the things that I look for when I'm targeting
Speaker 1: starting pitching, greg is you know, I want to keep
Speaker 1: per nine around eight or nine if I can. If
Speaker 1: it's higher, great. I want walks per nine below you know,
Speaker 1: two and a half hopefully, you know, definitely below three.
Speaker 1: I don't want guy who's gonna give me around you know,
Speaker 1: fifty percent crown ball rate. So you can get groundballs,
Speaker 1: you limit the walks and misses, and you can get
Speaker 1: strikeouts when you need the most. Walker Bueller does all
Speaker 1: those things. But here's the problem. The only problem innings
Speaker 1: is the endings. How me personally, I think I think
Speaker 1: Walker Bueley is gonna give you a hundred seven a lot.
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna be around that range opening a dighty.
Speaker 1: If you're if you're just debating him verse syry Guard,
Speaker 1: how many how many endings are you projecting for Noah
Speaker 1: synder Guard, how can you do that? Well, I mean
Speaker 1: last year, right, but he you know, injured, but he's
Speaker 1: always injured, always, well, he was injured really badly. If
Speaker 1: you do your ranking is based on like optimal outcome,
Speaker 1: If you rank your players based on all right, I'm
Speaker 1: not worry about injury risk. If all the if all
Speaker 1: these pictures go a hundred and seventy n pitch, I'm
Speaker 1: just gonna rank them based on skill, right, like what
Speaker 1: they're gonna do when their start. I would understand ranking
Speaker 1: synder Guard over Walker Bueller. So in that regard, I'm
Speaker 1: pretty sure that's what Nick Pollock was getting at a picture,
Speaker 1: you know, follow him a picture list on Twitter. I
Speaker 1: think that's what he was getting. Also, is that you
Speaker 1: if you just look at the stuff with no synder Guard,
Speaker 1: I think it's better than They both have really good stuff.
Speaker 1: But I mean I worry a little bit more about
Speaker 1: the injury risk with synder Guard and I do with Bueller.
Speaker 1: They're definitely concerns with Bueller too. He made a huge
Speaker 1: ending jump last year he played for the Dodgers. They
Speaker 1: can afford to put him on like a phantom d
Speaker 1: L whenever they want to, and I assume that's that's
Speaker 1: why I have them at like a hundred and seven.
Speaker 1: That's the wash with the injury, and I worry about
Speaker 1: it more with synder Guard than I do with with Yes,
Speaker 1: But because the thing synder Guard has experienced. I mean,
Speaker 1: at his peak, this guy was fourteen and nine two
Speaker 1: six r a hundred eighty three innings. You know, two
Speaker 1: hundred eighteen strikeouts. The ceiling is insane and he should
Speaker 1: be healthy now at this point. Okay, So now is
Speaker 1: the time for him to come back to where he was. Okay,
Speaker 1: he went through that big injury two thousand seventeen season,
Speaker 1: it lingered. Uh. Now he should be fully healthy and
Speaker 1: I expect a hundred and eighty. He could even do more.
Speaker 1: But based on experience, I like synder Guard more than Bueller.
Speaker 1: I do like Bueller, but they might pitch around the
Speaker 1: same amount of innings. You might be right, but I
Speaker 1: think it's more likely that synder Gard hits one eighty
Speaker 1: then Bueller hits one eighty, and in points leagues, that
Speaker 1: matters me. What do you think? Yeah, so I think
Speaker 1: I don't know both sides. It's hard like you might
Speaker 1: have this decision in like the third round of a draft,
Speaker 1: because I did you Graham both on the swing, then
Speaker 1: you're really you know, not like you get better. I'd
Speaker 1: rather grab like several, which is more realistic. Those guys
Speaker 1: should be there at the two to return. Yes, Nick
Speaker 1: had Carrasco after all of these guys, right, yeah, we didn't.
Speaker 1: We didn't get to Carrasco. Unfortunately with Nick, I would
Speaker 1: I like to hear you know something I think he
Speaker 1: briefly touched on. It was that he was worried about
Speaker 1: the the injuries with cars Carrasco. But he's been injured
Speaker 1: early on his past two seasons. He's been a hundred pitch.
Speaker 1: He fixed that problem. Yeah, two years in a row
Speaker 1: now with Carlos Carrasco. And if you just want to
Speaker 1: talk about skills, his his swinging shrike create what's fifteen
Speaker 1: percent last year which was top five, it was third
Speaker 1: third best in baseball. I'm sorry Max Serrys or and
Speaker 1: Patrick Corbin. I would take Carrasco over both these guys,
Speaker 1: like he's just the last two years, what's not to like?
Speaker 1: And the divisions too, he gets a face, you know,
Speaker 1: the White Sox and uh well, the Twins lineup this
Speaker 1: is going to be better. Tis the Oils are horrible Oils,
Speaker 1: the Tigers, the White Sox is gonna White Sox lineup
Speaker 1: will be a little bit better once they get him.
Speaker 1: Carrasco's rock solid at this point. Rock solid. I mean,
Speaker 1: you would you take Carrasco over these so I so,
Speaker 1: I think the upside. I think the upside is much
Speaker 1: is higher in all honesty for Syndergard. Synergard, yeah, than
Speaker 1: Carrasco personally, but he's got to reach that. Speaking of oh,
Speaker 1: he's changing rankings here it comes. I've taken Syndergard over
Speaker 1: I think we have we have a color Mike and
Speaker 1: l A that had a problem with your co hanmals
Speaker 1: take Mike, Mike, thanks for coming on the program. I'm
Speaker 1: staying out of this. What's up, guys? Mhm, hey man,
Speaker 1: what's up? Sorry? We're screaming in your ear. I know
Speaker 1: that you're you know, you're tucked away in a at somewhere.
Speaker 1: What do you have to say about Kyle Hendricks Mike
Speaker 1: Hendrix every years and points leeks, guys. I mean, I
Speaker 1: know it's not it wasn't pretty for us last year,
Speaker 1: but you look at his numbers too. Here one bad
Speaker 1: month last year, and it was June, and outside of
Speaker 1: that month he was Kyle Hendricks And like you said,
Speaker 1: in the second half, he was typical Kyle Hendrick. So yeah,
Speaker 1: maybe a slow start is something you're gonna have to
Speaker 1: deal with. But at the end of the year, he's
Speaker 1: going to be top twenty in points leeks and you
Speaker 1: don't even have to draft him anywhere close to that that.
Speaker 1: Mike's got to be really good in the second half
Speaker 1: of the seasons because he loves Kyle Hendrix. He loves
Speaker 1: rich Hill. I just ripped rich Hill. You know, I
Speaker 1: need you around because you know I want you to
Speaker 1: yell back at me about rich Hill. But I was
Speaker 1: telling these guys, why don't you just wait until people
Speaker 1: in your league drop Ridge Hill, because it happens every
Speaker 1: single year. In fact, he doesn't. I mean I don't
Speaker 1: really ever remember him getting dropped. We picked up I
Speaker 1: think in GST did we well, even so that's her
Speaker 1: yet then, because this guy and last year was a
Speaker 1: little bit different too, Like I get it, he's gonna
Speaker 1: miss the starts with the blister and he's probably gonna
Speaker 1: have a slow April. But again, he's one of these guys,
Speaker 1: especially in Rhodo. He's going to be elite per inning
Speaker 1: and that's what I based my strategy on. That's the
Speaker 1: pictures I'm attacking, and rich Hill fits that perfectly. And
Speaker 1: for the first time ever, I feel like I'm not
Speaker 1: the only person like banging the rich Hildrum like he's
Speaker 1: getting hype from the industry, but it's not showing in
Speaker 1: the ad P. And he's even cheaper, which makes me
Speaker 1: like him even more. Mike, you can admit that you
Speaker 1: shouldn't own Kyle hendrickson Rhodo, Right, Yeah, I don't. I
Speaker 1: don't really have an interest in him in Rhodo. The
Speaker 1: better question is do you have an interest in Hams?
Speaker 1: I mean yeah, I mean look at his numbers. I
Speaker 1: know that. I get the whole. He had a renaissance
Speaker 1: with the Cubs. He had a good August. That's it.
Speaker 1: Every other months, I don't look at the arras I
Speaker 1: think it does you with disservice every other month, his
Speaker 1: ship and exit. I don't I should fix that. I
Speaker 1: don't look at the ear as when I'm doesn't the season.
Speaker 1: Obviously they matter in season, but I'm looking at Cole
Speaker 1: Hamiles and the fact that every month for first of
Speaker 1: all on Texas, his FIP and exit World five almost
Speaker 1: every month, and then even in September with the Cubs
Speaker 1: it was over four. The hard hit rate went back
Speaker 1: over again. The ground ball rate, which was great in August,
Speaker 1: it completely flipped on its head again in September. I
Speaker 1: think he had one good month and people are looking
Speaker 1: in that and saying that's the Cole Hamiles that we're
Speaker 1: gonna get next year when he's thirty five. Like I'm done.
Speaker 1: We've been seeing his skill set decline. I'm staying away
Speaker 1: from the Cole Hamils. If he has a good year,
Speaker 1: it'll be on someone else's team. Ages. We just say this.
Speaker 1: Hendricks in Points League last year was pitting number twenty
Speaker 1: six according to my points League average fifteen point a
Speaker 1: Fantasy points and game, and Hamils was and doesn't sound
Speaker 1: like thirty spots of difference in rankings. But mamimals is declining.
Speaker 1: I don't know what point system, but I know an
Speaker 1: hourly that we played with Frank, I'm almost positive Hamils
Speaker 1: top twenty. But you know you're making it's making your point.
Speaker 1: Hamil's is one of these pictures who sure he's going
Speaker 1: to outscore the people that I have ranked ahead of him,
Speaker 1: and I'm actually working on an article for fan Tracks
Speaker 1: now explaining that I'm not worried about these these guys
Speaker 1: who pile up volume because on a per start basis,
Speaker 1: Cole Hamil's isn't going to do to me. In my opinion,
Speaker 1: He's not going to give me more than say, if
Speaker 1: I have two of these elite pertaining guys, and yeah,
Speaker 1: like it's gonna suck that rich Hill's gonna miss some time,
Speaker 1: but on a per start basis, I'm gonna get more
Speaker 1: out of rich Hill. I'm taking a bunch of those
Speaker 1: guys and just hoping they don't all get hurt at
Speaker 1: the same time, and just trying to maximize every starting
Speaker 1: spot I have in my rock Interesting. So, I was
Speaker 1: in the end the interview or the call asking who
Speaker 1: who Arias were interviewing? Florio's uh, Blake Snell is for teen?
Speaker 1: In order to get that information, you gotta subscribe to
Speaker 1: Mike's Patreon page, which is available right now Mike Florida
Speaker 1: giving an article Who's this year's Blake Snell? He don't
Speaker 1: over to Floria's Patreon and look it up. Thanks Mikey
Speaker 1: no problem, thank you, and real quick. In that article,
Speaker 1: I think I put even more research and information than
Speaker 1: I did into blakes now one last year. So I'm
Speaker 1: gonna love with this player. He was the Fantasy Baseball
Speaker 1: had a vetas Baseball article in year. Thanks to the
Speaker 1: Blake Snell pick and the Blake Snell column, more research
Speaker 1: went into this year's selection. You could probably should look
Speaker 1: and find out who it is. Yeah. I appreciate your call, Mike.
Speaker 1: We always do. But I still hate cold cold and
Speaker 1: he loves so. Yeah, let's take a break. We'll come
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Speaker 1: trying our past. We're doing the best week. Let's go
Speaker 1: back to the beginning. CLUBA, the CLUBABA, come back to
Speaker 1: the beginning. People are worried about Clubber. Why just signs
Speaker 1: of regression right, Like we were saying to you before
Speaker 1: that his fastball wasn't the same, the same. I'm not
Speaker 1: so worried about it was getting it was getting crushed.
Speaker 1: And his hard hit rate last year was a career
Speaker 1: worst a thirty six point nine percent. So just to
Speaker 1: put that in perspective, he was never higher than thirty
Speaker 1: percent in any season, even dating back to like in
Speaker 1: his best seasons from twenty through seventeen, it was never
Speaker 1: higher than twenty eight point nine percent. Hard hit rate
Speaker 1: last year goes up to thirty six point six percent.
Speaker 1: You gotta expect to come down a little bit, though,
Speaker 1: I don't think that is it or is it a
Speaker 1: sign of things to come? More things to come? With
Speaker 1: Corey Clue, right, he has a lot of endings on
Speaker 1: his arms. He does, you know, over a thousand endings
Speaker 1: pitch in the past five seats. So you're worried about
Speaker 1: decline starting basically the decline because honestly, the last six
Speaker 1: years he's pitched over two He's been so consistent. Regia
Speaker 1: Florious does no thing. I'm necessarily out on. I'm not.
Speaker 1: I'm absolutely hard not to be out, Like if I'm
Speaker 1: on the turn, if I can get like pair Cluber
Speaker 1: with like Severino or something like like why did it?
Speaker 1: I mean that you're not at at all really like
Speaker 1: if you want to be out to Garrett Cole ahead
Speaker 1: of him, Okay, you just in Berlin ahead of him, Okay, alright,
Speaker 1: I'm cool. I'm but that's the point where you gotta
Speaker 1: grab I think a real decision. People are gonna have
Speaker 1: to make his Cluber versus Blake Snell. That's interesting. You
Speaker 1: rather have cluber, I'd rather have club. I think it's
Speaker 1: format dependent, so I think in points leagues. Again, you
Speaker 1: kind of heard Nick talk about this a little bit
Speaker 1: with Blake Snell, that the Rays we're kind of babying him.
Speaker 1: Last year, you got to a dight innings pitch. I
Speaker 1: was actually gonna ask him, you know, if you had
Speaker 1: to set the over under for any it's just here
Speaker 1: for Blake Snow, what would you said it at? How
Speaker 1: did you get last year's do you wind up with
Speaker 1: he's due for a two hundred? This is where you
Speaker 1: go to two hundred. I don't think you get it.
Speaker 1: You don't think you get because baby, I just think
Speaker 1: so last year he missed some time, he missed some
Speaker 1: time with an injury, came back almost immediately after he
Speaker 1: was eligible, and they basically let him go for hens
Speaker 1: a week. You know, it was about it was literally
Speaker 1: it was literally, dude, about a week. It's only missed
Speaker 1: maybe two start and he came back a starter to
Speaker 1: nothing more. So it was like he had a build
Speaker 1: back off the arms right there. Anythink ridiculous like that?
Speaker 1: And he pitched like three innings, four innings, like what
Speaker 1: are you doing? Let him go? And he was like
Speaker 1: one guy that the Rays were actually, she's just letting
Speaker 1: pitch a hundred ten pitches in the seventh inning like
Speaker 1: they were letting him do it. And when he came back,
Speaker 1: they were extra careful. And I think Kevin Cash and
Speaker 1: this Raised organization will always be extra careful. Yeah, that
Speaker 1: is worrisome. I mean, so the reason why said Rhodo
Speaker 1: for blakes now and points for Clueber is just because
Speaker 1: on a pers start basis, I think when Blake Snell pitching,
Speaker 1: but the swinging strike create was absolutely ridiculous last year,
Speaker 1: Like you can look into the Arsenal Blakes now and
Speaker 1: it was awesome. Last season. The case per nine were
Speaker 1: up over eleven, right around eleven. So I do think
Speaker 1: like when he makes his starts, he's gonna give you
Speaker 1: more strikeouts in those starts, um and you know, look,
Speaker 1: he's not gonna be a one eight nine e r A.
Speaker 1: But again, with a lot of guys that we've talked
Speaker 1: about that get drafted earlier on with like Christian Yellis,
Speaker 1: for example, even if he regresses, he's still going to
Speaker 1: be really good. Like it's not gonna be an m
Speaker 1: v P. Like Blake's new is not gonna be have
Speaker 1: the cy Young historic season again. But even if he
Speaker 1: comes back to a to seven to eight or like,
Speaker 1: you know, around a sub three e r A right
Speaker 1: around there, think he's for the one point one zero
Speaker 1: whip and eleven case per nine on a first start basis,
Speaker 1: he's gonna be better than Corey Clueber. Dude, No, I
Speaker 1: think the Cluber is better for points Lee's because he's
Speaker 1: gonna give the ending, but say could read more of
Speaker 1: a workhorse first start basis, I think Bake better and
Speaker 1: Corey Cluber and points Club was safer too for the
Speaker 1: two hundred inning you know, getting too in a row, right,
Speaker 1: so six actually I think um, and look I'm pretty
Speaker 1: sure too. I think he could expect a to three
Speaker 1: a r at Blake. Dude, he get he pitched a hundred,
Speaker 1: gave a hundred and twelve hits. He was amazing. That's ridiculous.
Speaker 1: Nobody does have to imagine regression is gonna come there though,
Speaker 1: right because as he had won seventy six average against
Speaker 1: as Nick a little bit, but he's still that good.
Speaker 1: As Nick pointed out, Blake Snells left on base Percenter
Speaker 1: was eighty eight percent. Yeah, I mean, look the average
Speaker 1: seventy five. So that's why you know some regression is
Speaker 1: gonna come. And look for his his FIP and his exfit.
Speaker 1: His FIP was two nine five, his X fit was
Speaker 1: three one six. Remember he plays in a tough division
Speaker 1: two Yankees a lot. He's gotta face the Red Sox,
Speaker 1: the Blue Jays could be annoying. Vladimigarell Jr. It could
Speaker 1: be he's gonna be as good as he is right.
Speaker 1: So to me, I'd rather like that's another fact that
Speaker 1: I bring up for me, Like the central is easier, exactly,
Speaker 1: much easier, much easier. Would you would you take Corey
Speaker 1: Kluber and Roto over Blakes? Now? I think if they
Speaker 1: were like the same price, which they are. Let's look
Speaker 1: at the A DP and NBC a DP right now,
Speaker 1: Corey Cluber is twenty four point four six, Blake Snell
Speaker 1: is thirty point nine four. So going a little a
Speaker 1: few picks later, I'd rather if you're you're a pick
Speaker 1: in a Roto league, and those are the top two
Speaker 1: starting pitchers on the board personally in all formats, points
Speaker 1: for sure. I think club Are you taking Snell? I'm
Speaker 1: fine with that. I'm just asking it's hard to pass
Speaker 1: on Snell, though, I mean the upside is insanity. Is Kershaw?
Speaker 1: He's Kershaw and his prime better? Maybe I have Cluber
Speaker 1: one spot higher, but I think you can make the
Speaker 1: argument for taking that's fine. But I would definitely take
Speaker 1: Clueber and points. But I have Cluber once about high.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you fancy probe as Clubber five Snell eight?
Speaker 1: Where are you and Trevor Bauer? He's talked a lot
Speaker 1: about him before too. I don't know exactly where I'm
Speaker 1: at with about how to be honest with you. This
Speaker 1: is the first year he really broke out. Yeah, of
Speaker 1: course for a while long. That's the problem. A lot
Speaker 1: of false promises, right, So is it an outlier or
Speaker 1: is this the truth? That's the question, And it's hard
Speaker 1: to trust that when you're his value right now? Is
Speaker 1: there is no value you got? You're paying for him absolutely,
Speaker 1: You're paying for him absolutely. I don't know if I
Speaker 1: want to pay for him like that. You rather let
Speaker 1: me ask you this, Frank? All right, Clueber. We talk
Speaker 1: a lot about Cluber and Nola Derek Colverlin. You know,
Speaker 1: there are concerns with everyone at this point, and the
Speaker 1: further we go, there's gonna be even more concerns with
Speaker 1: every picture. The same as last year. I remember this, man,
Speaker 1: This is the same conversation we did last year, bum
Speaker 1: Gardner to Grom Strasburg, Carrasco. This was the tier m
Speaker 1: it was, and we needed to try to still in
Speaker 1: the Strasberg and bum Gunner obviously way behind that. You remember,
Speaker 1: you remember the Syndergars in this Syndergarbs in this tier
Speaker 1: was still in this tier. So really so out of
Speaker 1: those five guys that we just mentioned, right, this is
Speaker 1: what we have to break down. Out of those five
Speaker 1: guys we just mentioned, one of them ascended out of
Speaker 1: the tier. That was the ground once stayed the same too,
Speaker 1: stayed the same in Carrasco and Syndergard are still in
Speaker 1: this tier and Strasburg and bum Garner have moved down
Speaker 1: out of this tier. Greg. So we're breaking down this
Speaker 1: tier starting pitchers. Basically, we're gonna have a three out
Speaker 1: of five, like a sixty chance of a hit rate
Speaker 1: here that they at least provide the value that you wanted,
Speaker 1: like third round value. One of them is gonna be
Speaker 1: a lot better. It doesn't necessarily have to be this
Speaker 1: case because it happened one year. Basically, you have like
Speaker 1: a six, you're gonna have somebody out of this tier
Speaker 1: become a top five starting pitcher this year. And there's
Speaker 1: gonna be two guys that are gonna of not lay down,
Speaker 1: that are better gonna let you down lay down with
Speaker 1: the pictures. Though in this tier, I'd rather as opposed
Speaker 1: to what I do with the hitters, whereas go for
Speaker 1: the high ceiling, high upside guy, I go safety here
Speaker 1: because pitching is very sketchy. So Carrasco, I'd rather take
Speaker 1: Carrasco than Trevor Bower. Has Bower ahead of Carrasco. Nickols
Speaker 1: Bower ranks is like a six starting pitcher. The guy
Speaker 1: never pitched two DS in his life. He never really
Speaker 1: even came close. Why is he not pitching two last year?
Speaker 1: So he apparently he got hit by a line drive
Speaker 1: and that kind of knocked him out. For he's been
Speaker 1: been pulled between the bullpen and the rotation a lot
Speaker 1: to earlier on in his career. He didn't have been good,
Speaker 1: but he didn't make a change right like he started
Speaker 1: throwing that slider and it's been a phenomenal pitch for him.
Speaker 1: Trevor Bauer and listen, he's a guy always wants to
Speaker 1: make himself better. I mean he's a in a hole,
Speaker 1: but like he wants to make himself better. Yeah, right
Speaker 1: between between Garrett Cole, these are the second round pitchers
Speaker 1: basically Derek Cole, Verlander, Aaronola, Trevor Bauer, Corey Kluber, and
Speaker 1: Blake Snow. That's six guys. So I think I agree
Speaker 1: those after talking to Nick and doing the show with
Speaker 1: you guys the last two hours, Like, I think Verlander
Speaker 1: and Garrett Cole or ahead of everybody. For me, I
Speaker 1: would have Garrett Cole and a little bit more in
Speaker 1: on Verlinder, I am because there's this is zero sign
Speaker 1: of aggression. Appreciate there's not a single sign of aggression here.
Speaker 1: So if you have to break down this tier into
Speaker 1: two guys that could ascend, two guys that will stay
Speaker 1: the same, and two guys that will can I taste
Speaker 1: can Colin Verlander out of it, because I think they're
Speaker 1: better during a different tier. It's in my opinion, yes,
Speaker 1: ahead of you're saying Cole, Nola's snow. I want I
Speaker 1: want to put No, I'll put Nola. Nola should be
Speaker 1: in the first tier. I think I don't know about that.
Speaker 1: You can do whatever. Well, honestly, I don't know about that.
Speaker 1: I'm high on Nola though, I mean I had a
Speaker 1: mole last year in the year before. I think the
Speaker 1: two most likely to ascend from this tier from for me,
Speaker 1: it would be Garrett Cole and Trevor Bower As why
Speaker 1: Coles in this tier to fit? Yeah, Cole's means another
Speaker 1: team here. They're all second round pictures. So that's what
Speaker 1: I'm trying to figure out. Whatever you want, right, yep,
Speaker 1: kind I'm trying to do an exercise here, and you're
Speaker 1: you know why you're making No, I'm not not trying
Speaker 1: to talk about people that are gonna ascend, right I don't.
Speaker 1: Wouldn't you say like Noah Syndergard and Walker Bueller had
Speaker 1: that seem ability to ascend into this sat sphere? Definitely? Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 1: But they're there are third round pictures, right, so then
Speaker 1: maybe maybe we're talking about the second No, but I
Speaker 1: think I understand where they're going. Frankie, like the kind
Speaker 1: of thing they should all be together, Okay, I mean, look,
Speaker 1: the tier that I have, the way that I have
Speaker 1: it is I have Tier two is Cole Verlander and
Speaker 1: Nola Bauer, Uber, Blake Snell, Savorino Carrasco, Bueller, Syndergard. That's
Speaker 1: how I have it. Okay, So you have it, That's
Speaker 1: what I'm saying it from four to thirteen. Perfect. You
Speaker 1: have it as one tier then, and I think that's
Speaker 1: just trying to make it similar to last few where
Speaker 1: it was like really just five six guys. It's a
Speaker 1: different it's different last year ultimately, Like I completely agree
Speaker 1: with you, Like that's the tier hold on one second
Speaker 1: land the K two D and ninety people lest year.
Speaker 1: I love that? Are you joking me? Like what? I
Speaker 1: love adventure? Like come to a realization, how that's that's
Speaker 1: an outlaw? You're like that that can't happen. Is to
Speaker 1: nine swinging strike rates six best in baseball venture, But
Speaker 1: look at the years before that, he's never come close
Speaker 1: to that type of k rate. He's placed. I know
Speaker 1: the Astros are doing something. The spin rate whatever the
Speaker 1: spin rate is going on. Dude, I'm taking all Astro's pictures.
Speaker 1: I'm telling you right, Like, come on, how did he
Speaker 1: get to ninety out of him. That's insane. He's incredible
Speaker 1: last year, Tell me two guys who are most likely
Speaker 1: to disappoint you? Who are Who are the two guys
Speaker 1: that are most likely to descend from me? So I
Speaker 1: hate to say this, but I think the I think
Speaker 1: the first Dan is gonna be Blakes Now I think
Speaker 1: so too. I think Blake. I love Blakes now, I
Speaker 1: own Blakes Now he's a keeper from me, but he
Speaker 1: kind of buying him at his peak. Here sr rate,
Speaker 1: here's the craft out of me? How not be better
Speaker 1: than last? This whole playing in the a l e.
Speaker 1: Scares the craft out of me. So Blake s knows
Speaker 1: the If I use one right off the bat, it's
Speaker 1: snell power, I think is my other one? Is my guy?
Speaker 1: Pretty good about bauer Man and he's in a contract year.
Speaker 1: I kind of think. I think was interesting put it
Speaker 1: all together for a contract year. I think Nolan's an
Speaker 1: interesting one to descends. Leaning towards Nola too. Why his
Speaker 1: his career has gone gone perfectly what you want? If
Speaker 1: you look at his skills over the past three years,
Speaker 1: they haven't necessarily something's changed. Your ray has been different
Speaker 1: all three years. I'm out so worried. But I think,
Speaker 1: but no, that is upside Like Aaron Nola at his
Speaker 1: best going to under any pitch, is that better than
Speaker 1: Trevor Bauer at his best going to under ending pitch?
Speaker 1: Is it? I think Nola is better. I think the
Speaker 1: most logical outcomes starting to answering question Frank, but like
Speaker 1: I think the most logical outcome for the most logical
Speaker 1: outcome for Nola, I think is probably that he's still
Speaker 1: in this tier at this time next year because he's
Speaker 1: the same guy, right, Like he he's the same guy
Speaker 1: I think probably say he's the same like an early
Speaker 1: third round pick year. That's okay, I just want to
Speaker 1: point out, okay, so right went from a hundred eleven
Speaker 1: hundred six to twelve, right, and he's find healthy to
Speaker 1: health has been all these guys, right, I mean, it
Speaker 1: feels like every single picture we talk about were worry
Speaker 1: about health, except for maybe like the Astros guys. To
Speaker 1: be honest, but he's progressed in each year. Right. Look
Speaker 1: at if you look at Kershell, right, and he's a
Speaker 1: great guy to look at a career and how you
Speaker 1: grow and how how a perfect career would go. Kerschel
Speaker 1: did the same exact thing. His first year he only
Speaker 1: pitched like a hundred innings or something like that, and
Speaker 1: then he pitched like one in the five and then
Speaker 1: he broke out. Same things happening in Nola. I think
Speaker 1: Nola's having that same career progression, and I think that's
Speaker 1: what you want to see. This is exactly what you
Speaker 1: want to see between Nol and some of these other
Speaker 1: guys that are going around in this range. And I
Speaker 1: think this is kind of like what Nick was saying
Speaker 1: about him was the stuff just isn't as good, like
Speaker 1: it's very good. I don't know what. It's just like
Speaker 1: his swinging strike rate, his strikeout right overall, it's just
Speaker 1: it's not the same level of upside that some of
Speaker 1: these other guys are on his out for like Bowers,
Speaker 1: stuff like his swinging strike rate and his cape or
Speaker 1: nine was over eleven last year. Right. My problem without
Speaker 1: is why did it takes so long forms to hund
Speaker 1: point three four? Like he was nasty, but why it
Speaker 1: takes so long for him to get this good? But
Speaker 1: I think he discovered and then he discovered slider and
Speaker 1: that's all the difference. You know, Sometimes that that's all
Speaker 1: the Sometimes if you can find that money pitch. This
Speaker 1: is also a guy who used to walk a lot
Speaker 1: of people. That worries me too. That could come as
Speaker 1: as Martina points out, like it to Clevely a long time.
Speaker 1: I had to figure it out. Yeah, well he was
Speaker 1: Bloomer was another one late Bloomer. Yeah. But the thing is,
Speaker 1: I want to see two before I get it. That's
Speaker 1: a that's a fair request. You want your ace to
Speaker 1: have throw two d get it right. I think the
Speaker 1: most likely to descend from this tire for me Blake,
Speaker 1: Snell and Syndergard. And it's not a matter of skillful Syndergard,
Speaker 1: it's the crazy thing. The crazy thing with Synderguard is
Speaker 1: he also maybe the most likely to jump up to
Speaker 1: the next tier. A lot of volatility there. I think
Speaker 1: I've realized now why it took Mueller. It seems safer. No,
Speaker 1: I think it's real, right too, Syndergarter, Well, I telled
Speaker 1: you before you guys are discussing it like I don't know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I've seen the side to break the tie here. Greg. Well,
Speaker 1: that's because you're a road o and I'm a point though.
Speaker 1: That's the only reason why. I mean, would you would you?
Speaker 1: Would you take Peeler and would you take Yeah, because
Speaker 1: of the fact that per start I'm gonna get would
Speaker 1: you take in row days you just said, oh no,
Speaker 1: thinks because I know Bueller is healthy. Synder Card stuff
Speaker 1: is better than I can't argue that like a guy
Speaker 1: who throws a hundred miles per hour and has like
Speaker 1: a ninety two mile pro slider, like the guy's a
Speaker 1: freak Kyindergards are freak, But those are the guys that
Speaker 1: are more likely to get hurt my heart for never reason,
Speaker 1: Frank tells me, Syndergard, I'm sorry all your heart. I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: all right. That was awesome, guys, it was a really
Speaker 1: great is flew by When we come back on Monday,
Speaker 1: we'll get to fourth row acton cleven Yeah, Corbyn, Strasburg
Speaker 1: a lot more, Chris benjam Nick pau Bavona, Sean Martino downstairs.
Speaker 1: That's Frank. I'm Greg. See you back here on Monday.
Speaker 1: We hope, h