Speaker 1: Hi you guys, Welcome back to to Jersey Jays. There
Speaker 1: actually aren't two of us today. It's just me and
Speaker 1: Jackie is whooping it up in Italy Rome where she
Speaker 1: now Naples POMPEII. So I can't feel too badly about
Speaker 1: the fact that she's not here today because we have really,
Speaker 1: really good guests. And I will tell you that I
Speaker 1: am so excited. I started watching The Golden Bachelor when
Speaker 1: I knew that we were having these ladies on. So
Speaker 1: full disclosure, I did not watch it in real time,
Speaker 1: and I am so psyched that I watched it. Anybody
Speaker 1: who hasn't, I beg of you. I was getting bored
Speaker 1: of The Bachelor. The Golden Bachelor is so great, and
Speaker 1: so much of it was because of these two women,
Speaker 1: and not only their relationships with the Golden Bachelor, but
Speaker 1: the relationships that they formed with each other. So having
Speaker 1: said that, I would like to introduce you to Susan
Speaker 1: Knowles and Kathy Swartz. Hi you guys. I cannot even
Speaker 1: tell you how thrilled I am to have you on.
Speaker 2: Thank you. We're thrilled to be here.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Thank you. So full disclosure. I was told
Speaker 1: that I was having I thought I was having Gary
Speaker 1: and Teresa on at the beginning when they first told
Speaker 1: me I was going to get and honestly, I have
Speaker 1: to be honest with you, I was like, and then
Speaker 1: they were like, no, you're wrong, and I was like, yeah, baby,
Speaker 1: only because I felt like I both of you. Honestly,
Speaker 1: if there were two women that I felt like I
Speaker 1: related to and could be friends with, it was absolutely
Speaker 1: the two of you. It really really was.
Speaker 2: And talk a lot.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I do, I am exactly, and I just there
Speaker 1: was something about the way that you all held yourself,
Speaker 1: the way maybe the two of you connected, that I
Speaker 1: just enjoyed. You were so funny and just so fabulous,
Speaker 1: were so real.
Speaker 2: I think that's what.
Speaker 1: Yes, that's exactly right. There is so much that I
Speaker 1: want to talk to you about. I honestly, I didn't
Speaker 1: watch The Bachelor. I didn't watch The Golden Bachelor in
Speaker 1: real time. I watched it now, of course I have,
Speaker 1: so of course I have, And I think I didn't
Speaker 1: watch it in real time because I was getting a
Speaker 1: little tired of the Bachelor. Of course, when I heard
Speaker 1: about the Golden Bachelor, I was like, finally, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was really actually kind of frustrated by the fact
Speaker 1: that the Golden Bachelor took so long to come to us.
Speaker 1: And I have a single sister and she's now she's
Speaker 1: fifty three, but she was like, you know, so annoyed.
Speaker 1: She want She's like, I want to be on it.
Speaker 1: You know, it would have been I don't know, the
Speaker 1: Platinum Bachelor. I don't know what the age range was.
Speaker 2: That age was supposed to originally be sixty five and
Speaker 2: up and they and they couldn't find enough I guess,
Speaker 2: act of whatever reason, so they lowered it to sixty.
Speaker 2: So I didn't know that going in.
Speaker 3: I thought everybody was sixty five and up and I
Speaker 3: was sixty six going on the show. And the first
Speaker 3: time we actually saw each other, I was looking around
Speaker 3: the hotel getting ready to get in a limbo, and I.
Speaker 2: Thought, okay, I feel good. I feel good.
Speaker 3: And then I left this way, I go, oh, yeah,
Speaker 3: I find out she's sixty.
Speaker 2: So what I say, the very great sixty? I thought,
Speaker 2: I'm seventy, and I thought, oh, I can run the bulls.
Speaker 2: I can handle this, right. I saw sixty here, I went, Okay,
Speaker 2: I can still run with them. But you know, I'm
Speaker 2: ten years older than they are.
Speaker 1: So okay, well, let's get real. Okay, you could run
Speaker 1: with every single one of those women, and in my
Speaker 1: humble opinion, you can outrun them. I was just I.
Speaker 2: Will say I did win the pick a ball contest
Speaker 2: and I, oh.
Speaker 1: My god, unbelievable, unbelievable. So you guys, I felt like
Speaker 1: watching this, the real love story was the female friendships.
Speaker 1: That to me was the best part. And I will
Speaker 1: tell you that the difference between The Bachelor and the
Speaker 1: Golden Bachelor was for me, the idea that you guys
Speaker 1: connected so differently. You know, these young women. I'm sure
Speaker 1: you all felt competitive. I know that you did. Having
Speaker 1: said that, there was a whole you did it. There
Speaker 1: you go, there's a whole other aspect. You're falling in
Speaker 1: love with each other.
Speaker 2: Well, here's the thing. We've said this. We met each
Speaker 2: other when we got to the mansion, and soon after,
Speaker 2: when we met Gary, many of us knew within you know,
Speaker 2: three or four days, that he was really going to
Speaker 2: be our guy. Nice guy, but not for us. So
Speaker 2: you know, I can't speak for Susan, but the friendships
Speaker 2: became very important. Having fun became important, and I think
Speaker 2: that's what people related to us.
Speaker 3: Being Yeah, the whole thing was we were not having
Speaker 3: any contact with the outside world. The only thing we
Speaker 3: could do is get to know one another in the mansion,
Speaker 3: right right.
Speaker 2: One of the differences is we are of a certain
Speaker 2: age and we have been married. I lost my husband
Speaker 2: by to suicide, Susan's divorce. We all have children and grandchildren,
Speaker 2: so our rich lives. There's a lot of stories and
Speaker 2: a lot of heartache and happiness, and so I think
Speaker 2: people can relate to that.
Speaker 1: Guys, I related to that. I feel like there was
Speaker 1: just so much more to talk about. That was so
Speaker 1: for at least for me, so much more interesting. You're
Speaker 1: bringing into this, you know, your joys, your heartache, the
Speaker 1: life that you lived again. I I can sort.
Speaker 2: Of say we did not cry or get upset because
Speaker 2: we didn't have a one on one, Like, there's bigger
Speaker 2: things in life to talk about.
Speaker 1: Amen, sisters.
Speaker 3: That did get a one on one. We were genuinely happy.
Speaker 2: I was jealous I didn't get the diamond eariuons if
Speaker 2: we're being honest, elans romantic.
Speaker 1: Fair and that would have been the thing that got
Speaker 1: me fair, very fair.
Speaker 3: And it makes people laugh and Gary, I mean I
Speaker 3: was sympathetic. Like every Rose ceremony, he cried a lot.
Speaker 3: So he's going around the room and I'd go, it's okay, babe,
Speaker 3: I got you. Or I'd be like this and he'd
Speaker 3: start laughing, and he would always come up to me
Speaker 3: later and say, thank you so much.
Speaker 2: That means the world to me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you actually do a good that's pretty good impression. Honestly,
Speaker 1: I have to be also, I keep prefacing what I'm
Speaker 1: saying with I have to be honest because I don't always.
Speaker 1: I try to be real and I'm hoping that it
Speaker 1: comes off as kind. This may not, but it will.
Speaker 1: Let you guys, he is a gorgeous, gorgeous sweet man,
Speaker 1: but he is a goofy mother like I'm sorry.
Speaker 2: He had no game. So let me just say we
Speaker 2: we shared a room. There were four of us in
Speaker 2: our room. After the first after start down to four
Speaker 2: and we literally looked at each other that after I
Speaker 2: said two or three days and we said, okay, what
Speaker 2: do y'all think? And we kind of all away to
Speaker 2: your laugh and start laughing.
Speaker 3: Growth he has no game, no way we would run
Speaker 3: circles around them.
Speaker 2: We love him dearly, don't get us wrong.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he listened, I felt the same way. I was like,
Speaker 1: this is the sweetest man.
Speaker 2: And I don't want to wander around cornfields. That is
Speaker 2: not how I'm going to spend this last.
Speaker 1: Chapter a month exactly. So you guys, you did know
Speaker 1: that because it did seem like you were into him.
Speaker 1: Well it seemed like everyone was into him. But you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean again, gorgeous man.
Speaker 2: Really truly his eyes and his smile.
Speaker 1: To die for the first one.
Speaker 3: On what first meeting that we had a few minutes together,
Speaker 3: he really paid attention to what you were saying.
Speaker 2: He was very genuine.
Speaker 3: He was trying his hard as to learn one. And
Speaker 3: I looked up and said, well, maybe I could give
Speaker 3: this guy a shot. Let me see, you know. So
Speaker 3: it was a process.
Speaker 2: Okay, So for me right off the bat it was Teresa,
Speaker 2: Teresa Teresa. People would say, what did you talk about,
Speaker 2: and I'd rolled my eyes and say, I mean that
Speaker 2: I left that show. He knew no more about me
Speaker 2: when I got there than when I left. Everyone deserves
Speaker 2: love everyone everyone, And I will tell you honestly, I
Speaker 2: am envious of that Jeey just ended. I am envious
Speaker 2: of the process when it works, and and you find
Speaker 2: that love. Susan and I we make jokes about it,
Speaker 2: but we both are looking for love. And if anyone's listening,
Speaker 2: I'll move back to New England.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I have a list for you, guys, so we'll
Speaker 1: talk about that off air. But I honestly, I just
Speaker 1: I don't really feel bad for either one of you.
Speaker 1: Why don't you like, get on one of these dumb
Speaker 1: ass online dating really.
Speaker 2: Dating apps? You know what I get? I get thirty
Speaker 2: five and forty year olds and I write back and
Speaker 2: tell them I have children older than you. Move on.
Speaker 1: But look at that, getting thirty five and forty year olds.
Speaker 1: I mean, you're both gorgeous and you're charismatic everything. And listen,
Speaker 1: there've got to be divorced guys, guys, widows looking for you.
Speaker 2: They're looking for fifty year old.
Speaker 3: Kathy doesn't believe anybody would look at her because of
Speaker 3: the number.
Speaker 2: I don't believe.
Speaker 1: I don't either. I don't agree.
Speaker 2: I didn't say I don't believe. I said. It hasn't
Speaker 2: happened yet.
Speaker 1: It hasn't happened yet. This was interesting to me because
Speaker 1: there was a lot of talk of sex on the show.
Speaker 1: Now I am again I'm fifty five years old. I'm
Speaker 1: a little younger than you, guys, but it is not
Speaker 1: that freaking important to me. I mean maybe it is
Speaker 1: to you guys. What is enough already?
Speaker 3: Because we've learned how to take care of ourselves, so
Speaker 3: it is exactly.
Speaker 1: I'm married again twenty five years. I'm taking care of myself, right.
Speaker 2: I mean, wait a minute, wait a minute.
Speaker 3: I got something special for Kathy's birthday next month.
Speaker 1: Just say, does it buzz?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I mean nice.
Speaker 2: I'll take the cake with the icing, please, thank you, exactly,
Speaker 2: get me one of those. Here's what I say, Fina, honest,
Speaker 2: as we get older, for me, I can't speak for
Speaker 2: the world that i'd like to. She does, though, it
Speaker 2: is exactly different as you get older, absolutely, and I
Speaker 2: want to find the guy that I want to wake
Speaker 2: up next to unless he snorts and then he's out
Speaker 2: of there. We can have our own rus at this point,
Speaker 2: you know, yes, But I'm just saying I want the
Speaker 2: guy those things Matt passionate, sex, great, I'd love it,
Speaker 2: But I want to find the guy who wants to
Speaker 2: travel and have fun and cook with me, really cook
Speaker 2: for me. No, Kathy does not cook.
Speaker 1: I said that I don't either. I don't either. Well
Speaker 1: you'll need to now you're Susan.
Speaker 2: And you batted for the other team. I don't either,
Speaker 2: but if we did, we'd be a matchman.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, one hundred percent seriously, because what I
Speaker 1: want now? And again, I mean, we have a nice
Speaker 1: sex life, but it's not it's certainly not the priority.
Speaker 1: It does not what holds us together.
Speaker 3: You know what I missed the most makeout session, Like
Speaker 3: there's nothing better than.
Speaker 1: Oh god, really, i've gotten older. I don't wan anyone's
Speaker 1: tied in my mouth?
Speaker 2: You now still need Okay, you go do that. I'm good.
Speaker 2: I want to watch.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sure you are. I have no doubt
Speaker 1: about that with either one of you. You're probably wonderful kissers.
Speaker 1: But I don't know it's yes, I mean.
Speaker 2: That because you're married. Is that why?
Speaker 1: I don't know? I mean, I'm just over it. You know,
Speaker 1: I've kissed enough. It's like I love kissing my husband,
Speaker 1: but I don't need to open my mouth. Let's not
Speaker 1: get crazy.
Speaker 2: Well, you know that freedom and if he wants, you
Speaker 2: know what you tell him, honey, I would, but COVID
Speaker 2: is still a thing.
Speaker 1: He doesn't want me to. He doesn't want my tongue
Speaker 1: in his mouth either anymore. We're over it. But like
Speaker 1: you know, I heard you guys listen to mel Robbins.
Speaker 1: Ever have you heard of her? She's like the sage.
Speaker 1: She's all over Instagram and she's one of the sort
Speaker 1: of like a life coach. But anyway, she said something
Speaker 1: on Valentine's Today. She said, you know, I don't want
Speaker 1: to be madly in love anymore. I want to be
Speaker 1: peacefully in love. I don't need to be you know,
Speaker 1: I used to crave the spark. My husband and I
Speaker 1: were separated for about a year and a half, and
Speaker 1: I won't bore you with the details of that, but
Speaker 1: I think I at the time I was looking for
Speaker 1: a spark. Now it sparks me. Is this peaceful, kind,
Speaker 1: fabulous man who treats me.
Speaker 2: Well, that's what I want to find, the guy who
Speaker 2: really wants to be with me and enjoy a walk
Speaker 2: on the beach and holding hands and sitting you know,
Speaker 2: sunsets have fun and travel and it's not about that.
Speaker 2: I think you fall in love, you fall in lust,
Speaker 2: But I'll be the long term love guilty.
Speaker 1: Many times, you're still there. Yeah, and I.
Speaker 2: Used to think that was love. I really did.
Speaker 1: Now, yeah, so did.
Speaker 2: I took me a long time to figure it out.
Speaker 2: It was twenty so you know my experience is very different.
Speaker 1: Yes, of course. And I want for my daughter. My
Speaker 1: daughter is twenty one, and I'm constantly saying to her,
Speaker 1: you know, she's always in love, she's in love with
Speaker 1: the new guy every month, but I want her when
Speaker 1: she makes her final choice. So important to not only
Speaker 1: feel it in your heart, but you're conscious of it. Yes, right.
Speaker 2: Every day.
Speaker 3: About the red flags, don't think they're yellow. They're red
Speaker 3: for a reason and nothing.
Speaker 2: Susan always says, Oh, but they're all yellow flags and
Speaker 2: are like, no, Susan, A red flag is a red fight.
Speaker 2: You're not going to make it a white flag. And
Speaker 2: here's my advice I got I all often give. When
Speaker 2: a man shows you who he is the first.
Speaker 1: Time, believe him. Amen. But now we're old enough right
Speaker 1: to understand that. Right, we don't have to make the
Speaker 1: same stupid.
Speaker 2: We will not settle. We've talked about this.
Speaker 3: I'm not I mean, nobody's going to be perfect at
Speaker 3: this age, look wise or you know certain this or that,
Speaker 3: But we know what we need right and what we're
Speaker 3: looking for, what's going to make us happy and what
Speaker 3: we have the all.
Speaker 2: And it's very different from when I was young, when
Speaker 2: we rea, you know, some that would make a good father,
Speaker 2: you know, build a life with, buy homes with, and
Speaker 2: raise kids with. Now that's just not it. It's about last.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's what I would want to And
Speaker 1: you know the Bachelor watching these young women and it
Speaker 1: is so much about the lust and about looking for
Speaker 1: the good father and so boring. I'm so bored with it.
Speaker 1: That's why I stop watching it, you know.
Speaker 2: And Joey season that was spectacular.
Speaker 1: I don't even I don't think I watched Joey's season.
Speaker 2: Jennifer. If you don't watch any event watching the last,
Speaker 2: watch the final rows because it will spoil it for you.
Speaker 2: The two women who are left at the end, they
Speaker 2: come together for the last roast ceremony and when the
Speaker 2: one leaves self eliminates, she takes her to the car.
Speaker 2: It's women in fact.
Speaker 1: Oh oh my god, I'm writing it down. This is
Speaker 1: Joey season. Yeah, just all right, okay.
Speaker 2: That's ending. Ever, It's okay. It's been there for women
Speaker 2: and that's.
Speaker 1: Right, I love.
Speaker 2: That was priceless.
Speaker 1: Okay, you know it's interesting for me. I I'd done
Speaker 1: two seasons of the Real Housewives, so but I was
Speaker 1: fifty three years old when some two years ago whatever,
Speaker 1: I'm fifty five now when I started filming for them,
Speaker 1: and I was a fan. You know, I've watched The
Speaker 1: Housewives for years and years and years, and you guys
Speaker 1: obviously watched The Bachelor. I mean that must have been
Speaker 1: so surreal to be going into that experience, and you know,
Speaker 1: I for me, I would picture myself as a housewife.
Speaker 1: Did you picture yourselves? You know, even watching these young people,
Speaker 1: did you picture yourselves doing it?
Speaker 2: I was like the mansion. Oh, I remember the first
Speaker 2: roast ceremony and there saying this is surreal. I am
Speaker 2: standing with so many have come before me, and a
Speaker 2: lot younger. But it was fun to stand up. Now.
Speaker 3: I remember that grows ceremonies, still standing on those heels
Speaker 3: and it was seven point thirty in the morning, and
Speaker 3: I'm like, they need chairs. I want to take my shoes.
Speaker 2: All love takes Kyle.
Speaker 1: It takes Kyle, honestly, I thought though, and those are
Speaker 1: the comments. I want to take my shoes with that
Speaker 1: one woman at the first in the first ceremony that
Speaker 1: was sleeping. I thought I would die. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: the best, the best, the best. I want to share
Speaker 1: something with you, guys. There was a lot of talk
Speaker 1: of hope and of inspiration. So I'm probably the only
Speaker 1: person that felt this way because I'm a cynic. But
Speaker 1: it annoyed me a little. And I'm going to tell
Speaker 1: you why.
Speaker 2: What I love.
Speaker 1: I'm going to tell you I I it did, and
Speaker 1: I'll tell you why because it was pat to me.
Speaker 1: It was like a little bit like, oh now, all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, I can have hope. And for me,
Speaker 1: it was like sort of assumption that women of a
Speaker 1: certain age shouldn't have hope.
Speaker 2: And it is exactly It is exactly the opposite people
Speaker 2: tell me. In my opinion, it's exactly the opposite. You're
Speaker 2: not quite old enough yet. As people get older, we
Speaker 2: feel and women out there that have written into us,
Speaker 2: that stop us in airports say things like this, I'd
Speaker 2: given up hope. I thought my life was over. So
Speaker 2: I get the cynicism, but I really do believe that
Speaker 2: this show has brought people, women, men hope because they
Speaker 2: don't feel like their life is over and I think
Speaker 2: that's a great message.
Speaker 3: I think one of the things are they give up
Speaker 3: on themselves. They don't feel special anymore, they don't feel important.
Speaker 2: They're done raising kids.
Speaker 3: They're MEM's or my moms or whatever you want to
Speaker 3: They don't take care of them, and they don't they
Speaker 3: stop doing for themselves. That message is, yes, you're still important, right,
Speaker 3: you still you got to make yourself.
Speaker 2: Happy, right, and you are value, You have something to say,
Speaker 2: you have a life to live. We're all in. We
Speaker 2: keep saying the last chapter, it's going to be the
Speaker 2: best last chapter, but we have to make it that way.
Speaker 2: No one's coming to the door to do a perfect point.
Speaker 2: It's what you make that's right.
Speaker 1: Right, you know what it is. I have a lot
Speaker 1: of friends that are around my age and younger, and
Speaker 1: I see them after divorce.
Speaker 2: Say it again, any single men out there.
Speaker 1: I'm going yes, but I'm talking about my female friends,
Speaker 1: and I'm talking about the fact that after you know,
Speaker 1: they're not in their seventies necessarily, they're in their sixties,
Speaker 1: they're in their fifties, and they've also given up hope.
Speaker 1: So for me, it was like, I don't know, it
Speaker 1: just felt to me like the message was come back
Speaker 1: to life. And I hope that women of your age,
Speaker 1: like you had a life before you had a romance
Speaker 1: with Gary, you know what I mean, and probably more
Speaker 1: of one, I hope than maybe some of my friends
Speaker 1: who have also given up. I don't know. I just
Speaker 1: think there's that we get labeled as we get older,
Speaker 1: we'll get them going okay, okay, honestly me too. You guys,
Speaker 1: you don't understand. I'm starstruck.
Speaker 2: I want tequila.
Speaker 1: I am, yes, tequila, please, Absolutely, I'm starstruck by the
Speaker 1: both of you. I am. But you know, part of
Speaker 1: that for me is that there's this agism and I
Speaker 1: think that I keep saying it, but it was getting
Speaker 1: to me with The Bachelor, but it's everywhere. It's not
Speaker 1: just the Bachelor, right, So even on my show on
Speaker 1: the Housewives, they keep getting they kind of refresh the
Speaker 1: franchises with younger women. And that's okay, listen, they know
Speaker 1: their audience certainly better than I do. But I feel
Speaker 1: like it's women of a certain age are just more
Speaker 1: interesting and.
Speaker 2: Ask you just real quickly, when when you talk to
Speaker 2: a twenty or thirty year old, the first thing out
Speaker 2: of your mouth is not Wow, you look good for
Speaker 2: your age. But with Susan and me, how many people
Speaker 2: say to us, wow, you're seventy or sixty seven, you
Speaker 2: look so great. Fear age. That is what we're trying
Speaker 2: to get dismissed. That philosophy, that that theory, that you
Speaker 2: stating yourself right, I mean, that's not even so. I
Speaker 2: think that's that's it's a bigger issue, I think than
Speaker 2: people are really willing to to admit.
Speaker 3: I think we're more entertaining because we're raw, because of
Speaker 3: our species.
Speaker 2: We say it like it is, and I think people
Speaker 2: enjoy that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Wow, you don't give a shit anymore. That's the
Speaker 1: beauty of aging. You don't care, you're over it. What
Speaker 1: people think?
Speaker 2: Really, what did either you or I ever give a
Speaker 2: shit with the thought?
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah when I was younger, almost definitely yes.
Speaker 1: Okay, well guess what now you don't And I know
Speaker 1: that because well I don't know this about well, I
Speaker 1: know I believe you both, And again, that is for me,
Speaker 1: been the beauty of aging. The first thing is that
Speaker 1: I stopped giving a ship. But let me say this, Kathy,
Speaker 1: when you told Teresa to zip it, I was like, please,
Speaker 1: thank you finally this she needs to zip it. I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: I hope this never gets back to her because she's
Speaker 1: a wonderful sweet woman. You'll never tell and I hope
Speaker 1: she never listens. And if you do, Teresa, I'm sorry again.
Speaker 1: Adorable sweet, but you needed to zip it. It was obnoxious, right,
Speaker 1: she did need.
Speaker 2: To zip it. But I'm from Boston, and you know
Speaker 2: I grew up in a big family. When you save
Speaker 2: zipper or I'm from it's it's like, come on, zip it,
Speaker 2: move along, get it.
Speaker 1: There are a lot worse things you could say.
Speaker 2: In the Midwest, which I think is what Gary was
Speaker 2: called that. I told her to zip it and I.
Speaker 1: Was like, what no, But it was so obnoxious. It
Speaker 1: was like she was it was. I was shocked.
Speaker 2: I was like, we see you. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I watched it, honey. The last scene in the what
Speaker 1: is it called, the Fantasy Suite, the lipstick of it all?
Speaker 1: I couldn't what was that? Why didn't the producer stop it?
Speaker 1: I couldn't even watch. It was like all over him
Speaker 1: and it was all over her.
Speaker 3: Can we go back for one second and please full
Speaker 3: honors for this? Teresa wore this bright red lipstick?
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I didn't miss that.
Speaker 3: Did you notice it turned softer pink? You're welcome, Teresa? Really,
Speaker 3: what the hell lose the lipstick? Tersa, It was so bad.
Speaker 2: But that's I know that we did for each other,
Speaker 2: you know, I did.
Speaker 1: I love that. So let's get.
Speaker 2: Susan said to her, sweetie, you need to change your
Speaker 2: lipstick color, and not Teresa.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so, but I appreciate that. Listen if someone told
Speaker 1: me to change my lipstick color, or you're being obnoxious
Speaker 1: as opposed to when I was a young, insecure idiot,
Speaker 1: but now I feel God, thank you, thank you, thank
Speaker 1: you for telling me you had.
Speaker 2: Heart today compared to the show.
Speaker 1: Honestly, honestly, that is the thing. I agree. I agree, well,
Speaker 1: she has a hairdresser best friend.
Speaker 2: But to be fair on the show, I mean we
Speaker 2: were lucky to her hair washed and any makeup on you.
Speaker 1: So fair.
Speaker 2: But people do in that vein, people do stop us
Speaker 2: all the time and say, wow, you're so pretty in
Speaker 2: person in person, like what was like chopped liver on
Speaker 2: the show.
Speaker 1: Apparently, no, you were not. You were both gorgeous, but yeah,
Speaker 1: like there was a difference, subtle difference and not with
Speaker 1: all of the women when you came on the Women
Speaker 1: Tell All, I was like, they look good that you
Speaker 1: really did.
Speaker 2: I mean I had more than five hours of sleep, yeah.
Speaker 1: And you had more than five hours of sleep. And
Speaker 1: by the way, Teresa too, she came on and for
Speaker 1: the fun. I was like, nice hair, nice light lipstick.
Speaker 1: I don't see it running off into your cheeks. Well done,
Speaker 1: very sweet woman, Terresa. I'm sorry, very very sweet, lovely,
Speaker 1: lovely pretty.
Speaker 3: We do we love, yes, yeah, us, but we do
Speaker 3: love every.
Speaker 1: They love you. Believe me. I'm looking at you guys,
Speaker 1: with your own podcast right and with your own celebrity,
Speaker 1: and you are moving in ways that I don't know
Speaker 1: that you ever imagined at this point in your life.
Speaker 1: But to me, that's the best. And by the way,
Speaker 1: who's ever listening Bachelor Happy Hour, Golden Hour? Tune in?
Speaker 1: So that is the ladies new podcast. But to have
Speaker 1: that kind of a turnaround, now, do you feel it up?
Speaker 1: Do you feel like this is extraordinary? How my life
Speaker 1: has changed?
Speaker 3: Were like running with the bulls and ready, yes, love
Speaker 3: every minute of it.
Speaker 2: But I yes, I never If we're being honest, a
Speaker 2: year ago, we didn't think I hadn't even applied for
Speaker 2: the Bachelor. But I feel like this is Susan says
Speaker 2: it all the time. You put out what you want
Speaker 2: in the universe and it comes or a manifestation. It's
Speaker 2: a manifestation of what you want. I am happier than
Speaker 2: I've ever been in my life. People people ask me,
Speaker 2: they said, what would your husband say? I was like,
Speaker 2: I wouldn't have done this if my husband were.
Speaker 1: This.
Speaker 2: Would I have him back in a heartbeat if I could. Yes,
Speaker 2: But this is the best life. It's done us today,
Speaker 2: and it's about and where we go from here. We're
Speaker 2: loving every minute of it and putting ourselves first, you know,
Speaker 2: for once.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you guys, you are the love story, not just
Speaker 1: the two of you. I'm sure you made other close friends, but.
Speaker 2: A couple not even well, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: To hear that. I mean, honestly, it would be wouldn't
Speaker 1: that be just the best? That would have been another
Speaker 1: type of love story. But it doesn't matter because you
Speaker 1: found each other. And I think to myself, these two
Speaker 1: can travel together, they can support each other.
Speaker 2: But we went to Saint Martin with Nancy from the show.
Speaker 2: We had really best vacation ever. We had a blast.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean that's what I would want. We'd
Speaker 1: got older, yes.
Speaker 2: And day with some things right right now?
Speaker 3: I you know, taught Kathy how to shop what she
Speaker 3: used to hate to do.
Speaker 2: She will, Malee, if you give me a choice, do
Speaker 2: you want to go shopping or do you want to
Speaker 2: go hike? Six miles? Oh god, six mile hike? No
Speaker 2: question asked anything. Don't make me shop.
Speaker 1: Get the hell out of here. You had no inter
Speaker 1: as a hike. Well, Susan, did you now hike? Are you?
Speaker 1: Did you come?
Speaker 2: I can walk? Wait? Listen. She came to Austin. My
Speaker 2: son got married two weeks ago, and.
Speaker 1: Susan was thev you officiated it?
Speaker 2: I did, and she didn't know what Mozeltov manter living
Speaker 2: under you've been living in the Italian spaghetti one Muto.
Speaker 2: I took her off for a walk and I videoed
Speaker 2: it in my pajama bottoms. She was dying, but she
Speaker 2: did it. That's the thing. I'm a big exercise girl,
Speaker 2: and I'm going to get her to wait a minute,
Speaker 2: but just step back. Now. I'm going to call you
Speaker 2: on that I was dying. You were like you better
Speaker 2: slow down, Susan. I can't believe O. You love me.
Speaker 2: You're doing so good. I was not dying. I did wow,
Speaker 2: how did you get? I just got to call you out, Achilles?
Speaker 2: So I can't walk as fast, trust me, I'll leave
Speaker 2: her in the dust. Well I'm not saying you couldn't,
Speaker 2: but don't say I was struggling. I did it.
Speaker 1: Listen you, guys, My mom is eighty one, soon to
Speaker 1: be eighty two. I'm not even making it up to
Speaker 1: the woman runs five miles a day. I promise you
Speaker 1: it's no. She used to swim one hundred and fifty
Speaker 1: laps her whole life, and she literally, not just figuraly
Speaker 1: could run circles around me. Because I don't want to
Speaker 1: go hiking. I don't want to go running. I want
Speaker 1: to sit on my fat ass.
Speaker 2: That's it, gross, Mom. I don't know. I just I
Speaker 2: can't keep up the strong like a bullet.
Speaker 1: I love that. I mean, I know how important it
Speaker 1: is right as we age, but I just.
Speaker 2: All of that balance and strength. It's it's hard. You know,
Speaker 2: anyone who's listening. It's never too late to get up
Speaker 2: off the sofa and start working out. Do it?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know. I keep telling myself that I really
Speaker 1: really do. So you guys, what, like, what are the
Speaker 1: plans in terms of like, because I do see you
Speaker 1: as like you've really hit the pinnacle. You have this
Speaker 1: fabulous relationship, you on you're on the show, you have
Speaker 1: a podcast. At this point, is it really important to
Speaker 1: you or is that really your focus finding a guy?
Speaker 2: I mean, it's in amongst what we want to do.
Speaker 2: But you know what, if it happens, you can't plan that.
Speaker 3: That's right right, it would be great, but right now,
Speaker 3: in this moment, it would get in the way.
Speaker 1: Right now, I think, oh my god, I love that.
Speaker 3: Wait all right, if he's waiting outside for you're going
Speaker 3: to leave me, Dad, I.
Speaker 1: Was gonna say, Kathy will dump you like a bad
Speaker 1: habit freaking.
Speaker 2: What I'm going to say, thank you all ver much?
Speaker 2: Is I'm a really good multitasker. Yeah, I can do it.
Speaker 2: We can juggle there.
Speaker 1: I believe it. I believe it. I just want to
Speaker 1: tell you, guys, Unfortunately, and I'm heartbroken, we have to
Speaker 1: wrap up, but I want to tell you that opening
Speaker 1: up for me, opening up about the things things like
Speaker 1: your husband's suicide, about divorce, you know that what you've
Speaker 1: been through your journey, I was so touched by that.
Speaker 1: That's real, right, And I just don't want to hear
Speaker 1: about people's sad stories. But it's so easy to fall
Speaker 1: in love with you guys because you're so honest and
Speaker 1: you're ready to show the world I've been through stuff, right,
Speaker 1: And for me, it's so much more interesting than watching
Speaker 1: these twenty somethings thirty somethings. And I mean, I want
Speaker 1: to end with that, it's not going to.
Speaker 2: Be weak to make her prime, but I just want
Speaker 2: to say that I love that you're saying that because
Speaker 2: having a platform so that these tabloo subjects, that's part
Speaker 2: of what it means for me. Part of this whole
Speaker 2: process for me is is people feeling better about being
Speaker 2: able to talk about those things. Yes, that's important to me,
Speaker 2: it really is.
Speaker 1: And me too, guy to travel with, Yeah, me too.
Speaker 1: So lastly, I'm I'm annoyed about a lot. But another
Speaker 1: thing I'm annoyed about is who is about? Why is
Speaker 1: it taking so long for them to find about track?
Speaker 1: Because I have a theory that it's because it's harder
Speaker 1: to round up men because they're.
Speaker 3: Like, that's what they all thought that, but they don't
Speaker 3: let that secret out. They may know at this point
Speaker 3: in time who it's going to be, but they don't
Speaker 3: share it with you.
Speaker 1: Well it's not I'm sure they do know. I mean,
Speaker 1: it could be so many of you. But I wonder
Speaker 1: if it's a if it's a male thing, and I
Speaker 1: don't know that the man will bond. I doubt it
Speaker 1: like the women did.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the thing that every time we've done interviews, they
Speaker 2: ask us, would you with the Golden Maps? And I
Speaker 2: respond every time with the same answer, I would. I
Speaker 2: have a great experience. I would do this show again
Speaker 2: in a heartbeat. But truly, I don't think they could
Speaker 2: find twenty two guys who could keep up with me.
Speaker 2: And I mean that I just don't.
Speaker 1: I think you're probably right, and I think would be
Speaker 1: way more awkward. And that's again that's for another show.
Speaker 1: Just the difference between you know, men your age and
Speaker 1: you guys and the women me too actually, And I'm
Speaker 1: wondering are they ever going to do one that's for
Speaker 1: fifty somethings late forties to sety.
Speaker 2: Are the writers? Yes, I have right, you know, I
Speaker 2: mean I have it all, all of.
Speaker 1: It LGBT, Yes, fabulous.
Speaker 2: I think it's a little more complicated you know, when
Speaker 2: you've got young kids in that age range. But I
Speaker 2: think that is a whole other avenue that I.
Speaker 1: Know, like forties, like not young kids, like even forty
Speaker 1: five to sixty. Yeah, something like that. I don't know.
Speaker 2: Like people have careers. You know, Let's face it, when
Speaker 2: they say I'm a therapist and they come on the show,
Speaker 2: you're not a therapist because you what do you say
Speaker 2: to your clients see in the year, I mean, you
Speaker 2: can't do that?
Speaker 1: So well, how long was it filling.
Speaker 2: Away from your job? So that's hard.
Speaker 1: It's a month, six weeks.
Speaker 3: Who can leave their profession for six weeks? Not everybody,
Speaker 3: so it would be hard.
Speaker 1: You'll find women, though, I bet you would know the
Speaker 1: men too, right right, All you need is one. I
Speaker 1: don't know. I like it this way. I like it
Speaker 1: with the group of women. I like to see them bond.
Speaker 1: But you, guys, I have to tell you, I love
Speaker 1: and adore you. I want us to be friends. I'm
Speaker 1: almost begging. So we're going to exchange numbers. I hope
Speaker 1: we'll get.
Speaker 2: By the first drink.
Speaker 1: I'll do the meal, really, okay, the drink is more
Speaker 1: important to me personally. But I heard that is.
Speaker 2: It a Jewish thing that is a hundred.
Speaker 1: It's a Jewish thing. Maybe the thing is though, I
Speaker 1: do want a meatball. I do want one of your meatballs.
Speaker 1: I don't give two ships about the guys.
Speaker 2: Going out, Babe, I'm not cooking, but I will come.
Speaker 1: Oh, fair, fair fair, all right, you guys.
Speaker 2: Reach out on Instagram and yeah we'll get together. Okay, okay,
Speaker 2: Bachelor Nation Happy Hour, find us and then go to
Speaker 2: Golden Hour.
Speaker 1: Okay. I will congratulations on your podcast on all of
Speaker 1: the exciting things happening in your life. I wish you
Speaker 1: all good things. You guys, thanks for having right back
Speaker 1: at you. Thank you. Be well