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Speaker 2: Hey, everybody, welcome to the Buck Sexton Show. On this episode,
Speaker 2: our friend Jake Beckett. He is a former NFL player,
Speaker 2: former Army ranger, also was a Senate candidate in Arkansas
Speaker 2: and now is the host of the Jake Peckett Beckett Podcast,
Speaker 2: which I think you should all check out. Jake, thanks
Speaker 2: for making the time man. Good to see you.
Speaker 1: Hey, great to be on with you.
Speaker 3: So you know, I.
Speaker 2: Saw your governor, Governor Sanders Huckerbet Sanders not long ago,
Speaker 2: and we talked a little bit about what's going on
Speaker 2: in your state, because you would think that given that
Speaker 2: Arkansas is pretty darn red, that it'd be able to
Speaker 2: join in some of what we're seeing.
Speaker 3: Obviously out of Florida.
Speaker 2: I'm a little biased about the Florida thing these days,
Speaker 2: but you know, Texas is doing some good things a
Speaker 2: lot of states, Oklahoma.
Speaker 1: Of what's happening in Florida, you should be proud of that.
Speaker 3: Thank you.
Speaker 2: I am now I'm a new Floridian, so I'm excited
Speaker 2: about it. How are you guys doing in Arkansas, like
Speaker 2: like bring people into whether you know, we've got this
Speaker 2: red state blue state phenomenon playing out in a way
Speaker 2: that we've never seen before. Right, people are fleeing going
Speaker 2: to red. Blue is getting blue, or red is getting redder.
Speaker 2: How's Arkansas looking. You get a lot of folks showing
Speaker 2: up from Los Angeles who are like, hey, let's just
Speaker 2: do the lib thing here.
Speaker 1: I mean, I truly believe that we are in the
Speaker 1: midst of a massive self sorting that's going to happen
Speaker 1: within this country. I think COVID only accelerated a trend
Speaker 1: that was happening for a couple of decades prior to
Speaker 1: twenty twenty, twenty twenty one, but I think it's only
Speaker 1: going to continue and possibly accelerate as things further unravel
Speaker 1: in blue states and blue cities, you know, even within
Speaker 1: red states. And you know, I'm glad you brought up
Speaker 1: red states because and look, I'm I'm from Arkansas, born
Speaker 1: and raised, I live in Arkansas, ran for state White
Speaker 1: office here in Arkansas, and unfortunately, you know, we are, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, a state that is you know, like many
Speaker 1: other red states, particularly in the South. You know, we're
Speaker 1: led by these just establishment rhino squishy hacks, and you know,
Speaker 1: that's probably the most charitable way to describe most of them.
Speaker 1: You know, these are people who you know, a lot
Speaker 1: of the Republicans in these in these deep red Southern states,
Speaker 1: you know, they were they were a long time Democrats
Speaker 1: who just kind of like saw which way the wind
Speaker 1: was blowing and changed their party affiliation. Or they're just
Speaker 1: people who are you know, they they saw what was
Speaker 1: happening in twenty ten, the tea party wave, you know,
Speaker 1: and they came in and so we had this big changeover.
Speaker 1: And you know, unlike these battleground states that have competitive
Speaker 1: primaries cycle in and cycle out, like Pennsylvania, like Arizona,
Speaker 1: like Florida. Florida's probably the best example, you know, where
Speaker 1: there's constant turnover and there's there's competitive primaries and the
Speaker 1: cream rises to the top. You know, we don't have
Speaker 1: that in these deep red states. You know, we have
Speaker 1: these incumbents, you know, who have been in office for four, five, six,
Speaker 1: seven terms in the state legislature, in the House, and
Speaker 1: the US Senate, and they're you know, it's almost impossible
Speaker 1: to win a primary, you know, on the gup side
Speaker 1: these days. Trust me, I can tell you all about that.
Speaker 1: So without this what without the this purple kind of
Speaker 1: competitive primary situation, you know, the the the political establishment
Speaker 1: just has the opportunity to ossify, to stabilize, and there's
Speaker 1: without the outside competitive influences, you know that we just
Speaker 1: kind of drift along. And so unfortunately with the influences
Speaker 1: of the media, these these giant corporations, big tech, you know,
Speaker 1: the culture, you know, the deterioration of of the church,
Speaker 1: you know, all these factors. You know, these these squishy,
Speaker 1: spineless rhinos, they're not able to combat that.
Speaker 3: So this is this crazy?
Speaker 2: Can we just for a second, so I don't I've
Speaker 2: actually I've actually never been to Arkansas, Jake. So maybe
Speaker 2: we're gonna have to your Razorbacks. You know, my co
Speaker 2: host loves the big football games. Maybe we'll have to
Speaker 2: come down and check out the I'm just impressed with
Speaker 2: myself that I remember that they're called the Razorbacks, right,
Speaker 2: that's the name of it.
Speaker 1: Oh, absolutely, yeah, you got it.
Speaker 2: So because I'll see, for example, I have spent time
Speaker 2: out in Utah, great state. A lot of stuff about
Speaker 2: Utah that I totally love. The governor's like a communist.
Speaker 2: I mean, for a very red state, you get the
Speaker 2: governor of Utah is really bad on a whole.
Speaker 3: Range of issues.
Speaker 2: This is something that I feel like as we're seeing
Speaker 2: the sorting happening with people leaving blue going to red,
Speaker 2: red getting redder, and also the role of state governance
Speaker 2: post COVID, everyone realizes your state really does matter. I
Speaker 2: think there for a while we started to think, oh,
Speaker 2: it's the federal government, right, you're a state local. It's
Speaker 2: kind of your state government matters a whole heck of
Speaker 2: a lot. How is it that some of the red
Speaker 2: est states give us some of the worst leadership? I mean,
Speaker 2: is it just that they have no fear of the
Speaker 2: Democrat side, so they get soft, lazy, and they start
Speaker 2: to dissemble.
Speaker 1: They know they'll never lose a primary, and that really
Speaker 1: is the problem. You don't have any open seats. I mean,
Speaker 1: Arkansas has had the same congressional delegation, the same four
Speaker 1: members of the House, the same two US Senators for
Speaker 1: ten years now. I mean, it's amazing, like it's been
Speaker 1: It's been a whole decade and we've had zero turnover
Speaker 1: in our six member congressional delegation. But you are right,
Speaker 1: like like I think, by and large, you know the problems.
Speaker 1: I mean, this is a pretty deeper discussion. We can
Speaker 1: have a you know, a podcast series on this, but
Speaker 1: you know, I think what's happening at the federal level
Speaker 1: that's going to be really tough to fix. To put
Speaker 1: it lightly, but where we actually have the opportunity to
Speaker 1: exercise power, you know, where are where the base the
Speaker 1: citizenry still actually believes what we believe and will grant
Speaker 1: Republicans the actual ability to exercise our influence are in
Speaker 1: these red counties in red states. And that's why important
Speaker 1: for you know, states like Florida. You know, now it's
Speaker 1: you know it it was a purple state. You know,
Speaker 1: now due to you know, Governor Desants' influence, it's become
Speaker 1: a red state. You know in some of the other states.
Speaker 1: You know, it's it's getting better. You know. Governor de
Speaker 1: Santis has really led the way. You know, it's it's
Speaker 1: you know, I I could go on forever about how
Speaker 1: important it's been to have him done in Florida, leading
Speaker 1: the way and setting the example because for so many years,
Speaker 1: I mean for people on the right, we don't even
Speaker 1: know what winning looks like. We have no idea what excellence,
Speaker 1: what greatness, what victory even looks like. And so we
Speaker 1: didn't really have a barometer. So we had Asa Hutchinson
Speaker 1: here in Arkansas, who was the governor for eight years.
Speaker 1: He was terrible, you know, obviously the governor out in Utah.
Speaker 1: You know k Ivy, the governor of Alabama, she's terrible.
Speaker 1: Tate Reeves Mississippi. I mean, they're all they're all bad.
Speaker 1: But we didn't even know it until Ron DeSantis came
Speaker 1: in there and took a fifty to fifty red state
Speaker 1: and made it a sixty to forty red state simply
Speaker 1: because of the force of his policies and his leadership. Okay,
Speaker 1: like he showed that, hey, we can have good things. Okay,
Speaker 1: like we can we can take on these wok corporations
Speaker 1: like Disney. You know, we can remove Soros DA's when
Speaker 1: they get out of line. We can take over higher education,
Speaker 1: you know, we can actually move the needle and show
Speaker 1: the rest of the country. And so, like just as
Speaker 1: any in business, in sports and whatever, competition is a
Speaker 1: good thing. And so Governor DeSantis has moved every other
Speaker 1: red state governor to the right on the issues, simply
Speaker 1: because they've been humiliated by you know, the national news
Speaker 1: and people in these red states like Arkansas looking like, hey,
Speaker 1: like Asa Hutchinson, why aren't you doing what ron de
Speaker 1: Santis is doing in Florida? And so obviously, like you know,
Speaker 1: people's discussed with Asa Hutchinson. You know, he was the
Speaker 1: guy who went on Tucker Carlson and was saying that,
Speaker 1: you know, Ronald Reagan and William F. Buckley would have
Speaker 1: agreed with, you know, transgender mutilation surgeries for children. Asa
Speaker 1: Hudchson actually vetoed a bill in Arkansas that would have
Speaker 1: made that illegal, and so and so we were fed
Speaker 1: up with him, and we moved on to someone who's
Speaker 1: definitely better than him, and Governor Sarah Sanders, and she's
Speaker 1: implementing some good policies. But it really it started with
Speaker 1: Governor Ron Decantis in Florida. He has shown the way
Speaker 1: and I can't emphasize enough how important that has been
Speaker 1: to show the people on the right in this country
Speaker 1: that winning is possible.
Speaker 2: I think technically we have to say he is presidential
Speaker 2: candidate Asa Hutchins, just to be clear. Just to be clear,
Speaker 2: I think if he breaks one percent of the national vote.
Speaker 3: You know, Jake, I'll next time down.
Speaker 1: I sincerely hope that he stays in the race through
Speaker 1: the Arkansas Super Tuesday primary in twenty twenty four. I'm
Speaker 1: genuinely curious to see what he will get in his
Speaker 1: own home state. There's no way he lasts that long.
Speaker 1: He'll probably drop out after I forgetting, you know, a
Speaker 1: fraction of one percent, but I mean in Arkansas, he
Speaker 1: wouldn't even get five percent of the vote in his
Speaker 1: own home state. That's how reviled he is.
Speaker 2: I want to come back and talk to you a
Speaker 2: bit about, first of all, your story as it pertains
Speaker 2: to your service in the Army Rangers, and then talk
Speaker 2: a bit about Ukraine and some of what we've been
Speaker 2: hearing recently.
Speaker 3: About us role there maybe a little.
Speaker 2: More substantial than is officially talked about. I mean, I
Speaker 2: always assume that the role is I've thought that all along,
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Speaker 2: All right, Jake, first off, tell everybody what ears, What
Speaker 2: years were you in I just wanted to talk a
Speaker 2: little bit about your military service where we talk about
Speaker 2: the national security side of things.
Speaker 3: Right now.
Speaker 2: When did you first get into the army?
Speaker 1: So I joined the Army in the summer of twenty seventeen.
Speaker 1: You know, I played four years of professional football for
Speaker 1: the New England Patriots. You know, won a Super Bowl
Speaker 1: with those guys single handedly. You know, it wouldn't Brady,
Speaker 1: wouldn't Belichick. It was all me.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: After I got done solidifying that dynasty, I went to
Speaker 1: law school. You know, my my my intention wasn't to
Speaker 1: practice law. You know, I was really hurt after I
Speaker 1: left the NFL, so I went to law school to
Speaker 1: get healthy. And when I was in d C in
Speaker 1: law school, I just I really, you know, my ultimate
Speaker 1: plan was was a serve in the military. And I
Speaker 1: didn't want to be a jag and I was getting
Speaker 1: close to the age limit, so you know, I just
Speaker 1: I decided it was the best thing to do. To
Speaker 1: to drop out of law school and join the army.
Speaker 1: And that's what I did. I went through basic training
Speaker 1: Officer Canada school, you know, went through the Infantry officers course,
Speaker 1: I went through ranger school.
Speaker 3: I have questions. I have questions.
Speaker 2: Hold on, Yeah, Like, was there a point which you
Speaker 2: were you were in your let's say your first or
Speaker 2: second week of basic training or something, and you're a
Speaker 2: little bit did you ever have a thought You're like, maybe,
Speaker 2: I don't know about this decision. I'm just wondering. That's
Speaker 2: a big move to drop out of law school right
Speaker 2: to serve. I mean, I think it's very honorable decision.
Speaker 3: It's great.
Speaker 2: But did you did you know every day you were
Speaker 2: going through it that this is what was for you?
Speaker 1: You know, I did. I mean, I'm not gonna I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna say it wasn't challenging, you know, but I
Speaker 1: really I fully committed to making that decision. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean there were some moments, you know, you're you know,
Speaker 1: I went from having a really great apartment in downtown
Speaker 1: Boston playing for the Patriots, you know, part of a
Speaker 1: Super Bowl championship team, you know, to go into a
Speaker 1: great apartment in Washington d C. You know, go into Georgetown,
Speaker 1: a great law school, to you know, being in a
Speaker 1: in a sleeping bay of you know, sixty five eighteen
Speaker 1: to twenty four year old Basic trainees. You know, just
Speaker 1: kind of looking around at mid nine, you know, man, like,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 2: Your social options definitely decreased. Your service to the country
Speaker 2: increased dramatically. Congratulations, But your social options from being a
Speaker 2: NFL player in Boston to being in Basic training, you know,
Speaker 2: not as many cheerleads.
Speaker 1: But yeah, no, exactly, you know, but I was. I
Speaker 1: was fully committed to making that sacrifice. And you know,
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, I realized that it
Speaker 1: wasn't gonna be it was gonna be a temporary, you know,
Speaker 1: temporarily difficult situation to go through Basic and go through
Speaker 1: o CS and Ranger school. But you know, I never
Speaker 1: lost sight of that goal, which was to get my
Speaker 1: ranger tab and you know lead a rifle platoon, which
Speaker 1: I was very blessed to have the ability to do.
Speaker 1: And you know.
Speaker 3: I was a heart What's the hardest part of Ranger
Speaker 3: school for you? For what? What did you find the
Speaker 3: most challenging part of it?
Speaker 1: It was the starvation. I mean, like truly, Like there's
Speaker 1: I lost about forty pounds in Ranger School. I went
Speaker 1: in weighed about two hundred and forty pounds, got out
Speaker 1: weighing two hundred. I can show you some photos another time.
Speaker 1: I mean I was like a stick figure coming out
Speaker 1: of there. My mom cried once you saw me at
Speaker 1: Ranger School graduation. I was so thin. But you know,
Speaker 1: coming from a football background, you know, I like to eat,
Speaker 1: so that was that was a huge challenge. But sleep
Speaker 1: deprivation and food deprivation is a huge part of the school.
Speaker 1: You know, you get pushed to your mental, physical, emotional,
Speaker 1: spiritual limits, you know, but that's that's how you forage
Speaker 1: great leaders, you know, over that sixty two day course,
Speaker 1: and you know, I was able to finish it in
Speaker 1: the in the shortest amount of time, thank goodness, and
Speaker 1: and get out of there, and it gets my platoon.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I would say that the sleep depth, you know,
Speaker 1: forty five minutes of sleep per night for like ten
Speaker 1: straight nights, is not not ideal when it comes to
Speaker 1: you know, rest, recuperation and being in a prime mental state.
Speaker 1: But you know that's just part of the deal. Where
Speaker 1: do you end up deploying Iraq. So my my brigade
Speaker 1: combat team with one hundred and first Airborne we were
Speaker 1: stationed in uh northern Iraq, the Kurdistan region.
Speaker 2: Oh, I aw, what where You're like in Suli or something.
Speaker 2: I know, I know that area of the world pretty well.
Speaker 1: We were. We were between Mosul and Ourbiel.
Speaker 2: Oh Moses that place back in the day, my time
Speaker 2: in mosil Man. That was a spicy location, let me
Speaker 2: tell you. But that was uh what what when were
Speaker 2: you there? If you don't mind.
Speaker 3: About a deck about it?
Speaker 2: I mean and I was in the region, I will
Speaker 2: say about a decade, about a decade before you I
Speaker 2: mean basically.
Speaker 1: Before before twenty fifteen, because obviously that was the capital
Speaker 1: of the Califade. You know when when Isis had their
Speaker 1: had their brief run.
Speaker 2: Yeah no, no, yeah, Well I was there again in
Speaker 2: the vicinity and that too specific. I was there in
Speaker 2: the vicinity, uh you know, doing my uh analyst uh
Speaker 2: you know, dressed as like a guy on a camping trip.
Speaker 3: Thing.
Speaker 2: Right after or pretty close to what happened was like
Speaker 2: they kicked all the bad guys, I mean not all
Speaker 2: of them, but they they cleared out Flujah Ramadi and
Speaker 2: that had been This is like oh six so seven
Speaker 2: period that you know, those had been and bar province
Speaker 2: was just the worst, right, the heaviest fighting. The Marines
Speaker 2: had to go in their house to house do all
Speaker 2: that stuff. But a lot of them, the suicide bomber
Speaker 2: rat lines and the bad stuff switched up north to
Speaker 2: Mosul coming in.
Speaker 3: So that was yep.
Speaker 2: So I remember I remember going spending some time with
Speaker 2: some of the SF teams out there and trying to
Speaker 2: see what could be done to Stuck because these guys
Speaker 2: were going into marketplaces with you know, suicide vest are
Speaker 2: actually car bombs all the time, just you know, blow
Speaker 2: up thirty fifty eighty people. Whatever it was. It was
Speaker 2: really really awful stuff. But so when you were there,
Speaker 2: it's fascinating actually because when I was there it was horrible,
Speaker 2: and then when you were there it was horrible. It
Speaker 2: was like the main spots. So what were you doing?
Speaker 1: So it was a really interesting mission set. You know,
Speaker 1: it was a combination of patrols. You know, we were
Speaker 1: doing some diplomatic stuff, you know, meeting with the you
Speaker 1: know provincial governor you know this Nnila province, so the
Speaker 1: provincial governor of the Iraqi. Yeah, the their version of
Speaker 1: a core level commander was stationed with us, you know,
Speaker 1: so we were coordinating air strikes. You know, we we
Speaker 1: had some guys going out on target. So, I mean,
Speaker 1: it was a it was a really interesting kind of
Speaker 1: all encompassing mission set. It was great for a for
Speaker 1: a young lieutenant to get out there and kind of
Speaker 1: see everything that was going down. And this was this
Speaker 1: was a couple of years after you know, we had
Speaker 1: cleaned out Isis, you know, but there were obviously still
Speaker 1: I mean, as you know, Mosl and Rbil Kurdistan. It's
Speaker 1: kind of a confluence of a lot of different ethnicities.
Speaker 1: You know, it was an old trading route historically, so
Speaker 1: there was a there's a you know, a lot of
Speaker 1: a Sunni Shia conflict happening in that part of the
Speaker 1: you know, that part of the Middle East, and you know,
Speaker 1: obviously in in the late twenty tens, that was when
Speaker 1: Iran first really started to uh flex on that area.
Speaker 1: You know, the Isis was was Sunni and so once
Speaker 1: Isis got cleaned out, the Shia you know, came in
Speaker 1: and decided they were in charge. Obviously, these Shia backed
Speaker 1: or these Ran backed Chia militia groups, the s mgs,
Speaker 1: you know, we're all over the place. It was a
Speaker 1: really fascinating and and pretty intense mission set out there.
Speaker 1: But you know, like I said, it was a it
Speaker 1: was a good experience. It was a good deployment. I
Speaker 1: deployed with some great people, uh, and not just army.
Speaker 1: You know, we had some you know, we had some
Speaker 1: some Marsat guys, marine raiders, we had some Air Force
Speaker 1: j tax with us. You know, we had some some
Speaker 1: guys from your with with you with your training who
Speaker 1: were with us. So it was a it was a
Speaker 1: really outstanding deployment.
Speaker 2: So what I wanted to ask you, I wanted to
Speaker 2: get that background. It's so interesting too, by the way,
Speaker 2: I mean, I everyone that I talked to who deployed
Speaker 2: your rocker Afghanistan before you, it was it's always roughly
Speaker 2: my contemporaries, you know, either a few years before a
Speaker 2: few years after being in that part of the world.
Speaker 2: But you know, now, of course we have people that
Speaker 2: were dealing with like you, dealing with the isis uh
Speaker 2: situation uh up in up in a rock specifically obviously
Speaker 2: Afghanistan kind of continued much much longer. If if I
Speaker 2: got to ask you something. I'd be curious if someone
Speaker 2: told you that you could go and advise the Kurds.
Speaker 3: Just theoretically, if this kind of thing were happening.
Speaker 2: I don't know, But if I told you that you
Speaker 2: could go and advise the Kurds on the ground, I'm
Speaker 2: sorry the Ukrainians. You already advised the Kurds, the Ukrainians
Speaker 2: on the ground to help them against the Russians. And
Speaker 2: I really mean this honestly, like, would you want any
Speaker 2: part of that fight? Would you say, you know what,
Speaker 2: I want to go and possibly, you know, take the
Speaker 2: risks of we all know what can happen over there.
Speaker 3: How would you feel about that?
Speaker 1: I would advise the Ukrainians to make peace as quickly
Speaker 1: as possible on the best possible terms they could get,
Speaker 1: because I think that's that is the best possible outcome
Speaker 1: for them right now. And that's that's not the narrative
Speaker 1: that you get from the mainstream media. You know, obviously
Speaker 1: they you know a lot of these people, these warhawks
Speaker 1: and meocons and you know, unfortunately lives now. You know,
Speaker 1: they're they're willing to fight to the last drop of
Speaker 1: blood of someone else. You know, like namely the Ukrainian people,
Speaker 1: you know, and the allies who are who are helping
Speaker 1: them in that fight. But you know, I just think that,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm I'm not willing to go over there
Speaker 1: or send someone that I love to go fight for
Speaker 1: the territorial sovereignty of the frontiers of Eastern Europe, especially
Speaker 1: when there's ethnic conflict there that you know, most people,
Speaker 1: you know don't even have the beginnings of an understanding
Speaker 1: of and you know, especially when here in the United
Speaker 1: States we don't have territorial sovereignty over our own country.
Speaker 1: You know, let's just let's just be very blunt. I mean,
Speaker 1: we we don't have a southern border. You know, I
Speaker 1: talk to people who are with border patrol. There's actually
Speaker 1: kind of a developing story that's you know, people who
Speaker 1: are plugged in or following. Actually our northern border is
Speaker 1: actually becoming more and more of an issue. You know,
Speaker 1: these these you know, the.
Speaker 2: The numbers are a lot smaller, but the percentage increase
Speaker 2: is substantial.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, And you know it makes sense because there's not
Speaker 1: as much media attention on our northern border now, and
Speaker 1: so you know, in the in the age of globalization
Speaker 1: and transportation, people can get there I.
Speaker 2: Mean, I think that if you can get to Mexico,
Speaker 2: your chance. Now, I've spent a fair amount of time
Speaker 2: at the border and a bunch of different locations right
Speaker 2: along the border patrol, spending time with those guys and gals.
Speaker 2: You know, I would I would bet that. I mean,
Speaker 2: if you were telling me, never mind getting getting myself
Speaker 2: into the country illegally, if I chose to do that
Speaker 2: across the southern border, I'd give ten to one odds
Speaker 2: that I'm able to get into the country.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: Now that's not including the idea of like surrendering, right,
Speaker 2: I mean, because that's what a lot.
Speaker 3: Of the family units and others have done.
Speaker 2: But if you're just saying streakshot into America, I think
Speaker 2: ten to one I can because I know the cartel games,
Speaker 2: I know what they do. So if you just replicate that,
Speaker 2: you'll be able to get in pretty easily. Put them
Speaker 2: at the northern border, you know, I feel like that's
Speaker 2: wide open. That's got to be super easy to get across.
Speaker 2: We have almost no protection up there whatsoever. So if
Speaker 2: people figure out, well, if you can, you know, if
Speaker 2: you can fly to camp mean, especially for the people
Speaker 2: that aren't coming via foot and train, you know, from
Speaker 2: Central America, specifically in Northern Triangle countries. People forget they're
Speaker 2: coming from Pailand, They're coming from West Africa, they're coming
Speaker 2: from China, from Pakistan, all over the world, right, the
Speaker 2: illegal traffic across the border, so that means planes. So
Speaker 2: at some point it is interesting to think about. You know,
Speaker 2: I guess it depends on who you know, who's allowed
Speaker 2: into Canada, but it would be easier to come across.
Speaker 1: You asked me a question, I mean, what's what's a
Speaker 1: fight that I believe in? Securing America's borders is a
Speaker 1: fight that I believe in. I mean, I made the
Speaker 1: point on social media a couple of months ago. It's
Speaker 1: it's always struck me as strange that, you know, you
Speaker 1: have these these these warhawks and neocons and everyone, you know,
Speaker 1: beating the war drums, you know, supporting literally every possible
Speaker 1: foreign intervention, you know, I mean, like they'll back any
Speaker 1: proposed military action if it's done by NATO or the
Speaker 1: United States or the UN. But you never hear them
Speaker 1: mention like destroying the Mexican drug cartels or you know,
Speaker 1: utilizing America's armed forces to supplement border patrol on the
Speaker 1: southern or northern border. And like, look, I'm not someone
Speaker 1: who trusts the Pentagon, the DD or our military establishment
Speaker 1: to do the right thing at all times. But it's
Speaker 1: just curious to me they've never never even floated that.
Speaker 1: You never hear Lindsey Graham, you know, talking about like,
Speaker 1: you know, spinning up America's military to destroy the cartels.
Speaker 1: He may have jumped on that bandwagon after people pointed
Speaker 1: that out, but I just think that's strange. That's a
Speaker 1: fight that I believe in. I mean, you want to
Speaker 1: solve America's recruiting crisis, and when it comes to military personnel,
Speaker 1: you know, like actually have a you know, a dedicated campaign.
Speaker 1: I mean like like Trump kind of dipped his toe
Speaker 1: in on possibly using the military. I mean one of
Speaker 1: the one of our sister brigades with one hundred and
Speaker 1: first Airborne was you know, quote deployed to Arizona on
Speaker 1: the southern border. They didn't really do anything, they didn't
Speaker 1: have the authority to really interdict, you know, the illegals
Speaker 1: coming across the border. But I mean I would love
Speaker 1: I mean, like some of our best military you know leaders,
Speaker 1: I believe Douglas MacArthur. When he was a young lieutenant
Speaker 1: or captain, he was involved in the you know, the
Speaker 1: Poncho Villa cross border raids. And I mean like like,
Speaker 1: using the military to secure our southern border has long
Speaker 1: been well within the traditions of American foreign policy. So
Speaker 1: I mean, that's a fight that I believe in.
Speaker 3: Let's come back to that in a second.
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Speaker 2: in northern Iraq. You saw the situation with ISIS, which
Speaker 2: was a there was a little more conventional actually military
Speaker 2: fight than what I had seen, which was a clearly
Speaker 2: a counterinsurgency. You know. It was much more find the
Speaker 2: bad guys, kicking the doors and arrest them if possible.
Speaker 3: Often it wasn't possible cartels, fight the cartels.
Speaker 2: With the military, and obviously the intelligence force intelligence community
Speaker 2: would be a big part of this too, so it
Speaker 2: would be kind of like dealing with al Qaeda, you know,
Speaker 2: looking for individuals and networks and things like that, not
Speaker 2: you know, brigade versus brigade combat maneuvers.
Speaker 3: What do you think of that idea? Do we send
Speaker 3: the military after the cartels in Mexico?
Speaker 1: Well, I think it's a it's an all the above strategy.
Speaker 1: I mean, you leverage intelligence, you leverage your power, and
Speaker 1: obviously you leverage you know, conventional and special ground forces.
Speaker 1: You know. But I'm just I'm tired of people who,
Speaker 1: you know, you mentioned things like this and they just
Speaker 1: kind of scoff like it's not possible. I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: look at what Nai Bucal is doing in El Salvador.
Speaker 1: I mean, this is a guy who I mean, I'm
Speaker 1: as high on this guy as a world leader as
Speaker 1: I am on anyone. I mean, he's he's one of
Speaker 1: these guys who's just who's showing He's showing the world
Speaker 1: what's possible with genuine leadership. I mean El Salvador, you know,
Speaker 1: had the the world's highest murder rate not too long ago,
Speaker 1: and you know, it would it's laughable, it would have
Speaker 1: been laughable to assume that, you know, someone could come
Speaker 1: in there and neutralize these gangs that have been terrorizing
Speaker 1: and ruining the country for generations. But he came in
Speaker 1: and did that and it wasn't easy. And yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean he was a mixture of you know, hard and
Speaker 1: soft power. But it is possible, and you know, we
Speaker 1: just you know, I use bucal At as an example,
Speaker 1: you know, I use Governor Ron DeSantis as an example.
Speaker 1: I mean, just people on the right in America, we
Speaker 1: don't even know what excellence looks like. We don't even
Speaker 1: we don't have any conception about what is or is
Speaker 1: not great. And you know, we have these beacons. We
Speaker 1: have people who are showing us Hey, if we just
Speaker 1: have people, if we have leaders on our side who
Speaker 1: have the will, who have the force of will to
Speaker 1: actually do this, who were going to pin their ears
Speaker 1: back and just get it done, I mean like, yeah,
Speaker 1: well you know, like you kind of you know, it's
Speaker 1: it's as Coach Belichick would say, it's it's part.
Speaker 3: Of the process.
Speaker 1: You know, it's it's it's something that you know, you
Speaker 1: you know, you adjust and things go wrong, you fix them,
Speaker 1: and things you know, you you get it done over time,
Speaker 1: But it starts with just having that iron will that
Speaker 1: you're not gonna let anyone tell you that it can't
Speaker 1: be done. You have an in state in mind, and
Speaker 1: you know you're not gonna know just one more thing
Speaker 1: about like about you know, this, this this idea of
Speaker 1: leadership I'm sick of. You know, for so many years
Speaker 1: people on the right were captive to people like Frank
Speaker 1: Luntz and you know, people who like they think that
Speaker 1: leaders are supposed to follow public opinion. You know, you know,
Speaker 1: one of the greatest things about Governor DeSantis is he's
Speaker 1: very clear that he doesn't govern by following public opinion.
Speaker 1: He has the Steve Jobs model of leadership in mind.
Speaker 1: And you know Steve Jobs of famous I think he
Speaker 1: borrowed this saying from Henry Ford. You know I'm paraphrasing,
Speaker 1: but essentially he said, you know, people don't know what
Speaker 1: they want. You have to show them what they want
Speaker 1: and then they'll follow you. You know, like like no
Speaker 1: one could have envisioned the iPhone. They wouldn't have responded
Speaker 1: to a Frank Lunz poll and said I want an iPhone. No,
Speaker 1: Steve Jobs showed them the iPhone, and then of course
Speaker 1: now everyone has an iPhone. Same thing with the vehicle,
Speaker 1: and the same thing with leaders like Naive Buclet and
Speaker 1: Ronda Santis. That's what leadership is. It's not following, you know,
Speaker 1: Frank Lunz's polls. It's actually, you know, like having the
Speaker 1: will to solve a problem and showing the people that
Speaker 1: it's possible. So that's I mean, I want to see
Speaker 1: more people like that rise in American politics or else.
Speaker 1: You know, we're in We're in deep trouble.
Speaker 2: It's fascinating that Bucule and El Salvador used prison labor
Speaker 2: prisoners MS thirteen prisoners to destroy I'm sure you saw
Speaker 2: this the graves of MS thirteen gang members because they
Speaker 2: were being used as gathering sites in the cemeteries. So
Speaker 2: they just if your gravestone said anything about MS thirteen,
Speaker 2: they just turned into rubble. Not allowed to have public
Speaker 2: displays of anything having to do with Mara. Salvatrucia, he's
Speaker 2: he's hardcore about it, man. He treats it like he
Speaker 2: says this. I've heard him in an interview saying that
Speaker 2: he views the threat of MS thirteen the way that
Speaker 2: he thinks people in Germany should treat Nazi as, which
Speaker 2: is that it is a threat to the live, safety
Speaker 2: of lives and safety of the people, and also a
Speaker 2: threat to the very integrity of the state itself. And
Speaker 2: for a small country in Central America to take that
Speaker 2: approach and obviously have some results early on, I think
Speaker 2: is really interesting. I've got a couple of NFL questions
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Speaker 2: so all you mentioned Bill Belichick. I know a million
Speaker 2: people have asked you, but I haven't.
Speaker 3: What's you like?
Speaker 1: Well, he's a genius. He's one of the greatest leaders
Speaker 1: I've ever been around in the civilian world or the military.
Speaker 1: I did my last potdcast actually on the Patriots Dynasty
Speaker 1: and and what we used to call the Patriot Way.
Speaker 1: And you know, Coach Belichick had a very simple set
Speaker 1: of rules for the team. You know, do your job,
Speaker 1: work hard, be intentive, put the team first. You know,
Speaker 1: those those were the four rules you know that you
Speaker 1: had to abide by when you know, when you when
Speaker 1: you step into the Patriots facility, you know, when you
Speaker 1: became a new England Patriot. And you know he was
Speaker 1: he was able to push us very hard. I mean,
Speaker 1: there were so many stories of other veterans coming in
Speaker 1: from different teams, either by trades or free agency or whatever,
Speaker 1: and after a week or so, you know, they would
Speaker 1: just quit the team. I mean, like big name guys
Speaker 1: like you know, Reggie Wayne, Robert Gallery, Kellen Winslow. I mean,
Speaker 1: like you know, brand name players. And I'm not denegrating
Speaker 1: these guys, but you know they would come in and
Speaker 1: after seven, seven or ten days of Patriots training camp,
Speaker 1: they would go to Bill and just say, hey, coach,
Speaker 1: you know this isn't for me. I'm going to retire,
Speaker 1: and like that's you know, other other players who came
Speaker 1: in could not believe how hard he worked, how hard
Speaker 1: Bill coached the players. You know, but we were all
Speaker 1: on the same page, you know, we all marched the
Speaker 1: beat of the same drum. You know, Tom Brady was
Speaker 1: a huge, huge reason for that. You know, I like
Speaker 1: to tell the story of my first ever Patriots team meeting.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm a brand new rookie coming in there
Speaker 1: in May. It was like our first first spring mini
Speaker 1: camp team meeting that the team had just lost the
Speaker 1: Super Bowl to the Giants the year before that. I
Speaker 1: got there and you know, he was just kind of
Speaker 1: the first team meeting, kind of a nothing meeting. Bill's
Speaker 1: just kind of laying out his expectations for Mini camp
Speaker 1: and Tom Brady comes in and he's sitting front row center.
Speaker 1: You know, he didn't have to do that, but he
Speaker 1: sat front row center every single day. And in this
Speaker 1: first ever team meeting, I'm sitting there, Brady's just he's
Speaker 1: got his notepad, He's sitting up and he's just scribbling
Speaker 1: notes furiously. He's trying to soak in every bit of
Speaker 1: knowledge that Bill was sharing with us. And he had
Speaker 1: probably heard the same meeting ten or fifteen times, the
Speaker 1: same spiel, but he was trying to glean that extra
Speaker 1: bit of knowledge. But I think what he was really
Speaker 1: doing he was setting the example for all the new guys.
Speaker 1: He was he was setting the tone for everyone else
Speaker 1: who was sitting right behind him in that team meeting room,
Speaker 1: you know, in the in the rows above him, and
Speaker 1: you could see Tom Brady just just so attentive in
Speaker 1: taking notes and engage intellectually and mentally engaged. And you
Speaker 1: know that was that was the kind of leadership we
Speaker 1: had from the coaching staff, from the Marquee players, guys
Speaker 1: like like Tom and Gronk and Vince will Fork and
Speaker 1: Matthew Slater and so many others. You know, it was
Speaker 1: just an absolute machine. And that I tell stories like
Speaker 1: that to really explain what is the Patriot Way because
Speaker 1: it's not just for football, you know, it's for any
Speaker 1: Any leader can learn from the Patriot Way. You know,
Speaker 1: whether you're in politics, or in business or in media,
Speaker 1: whatever it is. You know, if you if you follow
Speaker 1: those rules and you and you hold people accountable, do
Speaker 1: your job, be attentive, work hard, put the team first,
Speaker 1: you're going to have success.
Speaker 2: What was your favorite part of being an NFL? What
Speaker 2: were you a linebacker? By the way, is that right?
Speaker 1: I was a de defensive end, tight end, special teams player,
Speaker 1: I was. I was a utility guy. Okay, I kind
Speaker 1: of did everything.
Speaker 2: What was your favorite part of playing in the NFL,
Speaker 2: And what was the part that wasn't so great?
Speaker 1: I mean, the best part was being around people who
Speaker 1: were the greatest at what they do. And you know,
Speaker 1: I I was I was very you know, humbled to
Speaker 1: be drafted by them in the third round and just
Speaker 1: I didn't take it for granted to be around some
Speaker 1: of the great the greatest coach of all time, the
Speaker 1: greatest quarterback of all time, some of the greatest players
Speaker 1: in the league. You know, I think Gronk was the
Speaker 1: best tight end of all time. You know, I was
Speaker 1: in the same tight end meeting room as him for
Speaker 1: two years.
Speaker 3: He seems like a fun guy, by the way, Is
Speaker 3: he a fun guy? Is that? Is that real?
Speaker 1: Gronk is exactly who you imagined him to be. I'll
Speaker 1: tell you a Gronk story. So Gronk, you know, every
Speaker 1: member of the Patriots players and coaches and staff, we
Speaker 1: had these key fobs that gave us twenty four to
Speaker 1: seven access to the facility, you know, at any time,
Speaker 1: and like during the offseason especially, guys come up there
Speaker 1: at night or early morning to get a workout in,
Speaker 1: getting the hot tub, col tub, whatever. And you know, Gronk,
Speaker 1: you know, during the off season, he would, you know,
Speaker 1: he'd go out in Boston or Providence or whatever, you know,
Speaker 1: have a great time, stay out till two or three
Speaker 1: in the morning, and he would have his buddies drop
Speaker 1: him off at the Patriots facility at like three thirty
Speaker 1: in the morning. So he would fob in and go
Speaker 1: straight to the training room and he would find one
Speaker 1: of the training tables and just like pass out, just
Speaker 1: stretch out and go to sleep. And so when the
Speaker 1: trainers would come in in the morning, they would see
Speaker 1: Gronk like still in his like you know, like night
Speaker 1: life clothes, just like sleeping there. They would roll up
Speaker 1: his sleeve at stick an IV in his arm and
Speaker 1: just kind of revive him and he would get up
Speaker 1: after a couple hours and just go be like the
Speaker 1: dominant force that he was. It was about that time
Speaker 1: that it was about that time that I realized that,
Speaker 1: you know, some people are more talented than others. That
Speaker 1: he had a pretty high ceiling like I was, you know,
Speaker 1: I was getting plenty of sleep, do it everything right,
Speaker 1: and like still, this guy was the greatest tight end
Speaker 1: that I had ever seen, you know, but he was.
Speaker 1: He was a great player, a great teammate. You know,
Speaker 1: despite like having a good time on the weekends, he
Speaker 1: worked his butt off when he was you know, when
Speaker 1: it was time to do that, and he was just
Speaker 1: a joy to be around. I mean, just a hell
Speaker 1: of a great guy.
Speaker 3: Was there anything, though?
Speaker 2: I mean just physical punishment to your body or like,
Speaker 2: what was the what was the thing?
Speaker 3: If you had to point to one thing.
Speaker 2: I mean, you're playing in the NFL, right, I feel
Speaker 2: like when people get to that level of success and
Speaker 2: something that's as heralded as that, there's a maybe for
Speaker 2: a lot of folks, a public perception of like it
Speaker 2: just must all be amazing. Nothing is all amazing, right,
Speaker 2: I mean we all know that. So what was either
Speaker 2: the challenge or the thing you wish you could change,
Speaker 2: you know, something that you were just like, ah, that
Speaker 2: part of it's maybe it was a surprise, Maybe it wasn't.
Speaker 1: Yeah, don't get me wrong, it wasn't easy. I mean
Speaker 1: it was I mean I told you those stories of
Speaker 1: some of the greatest NFL players of all time to
Speaker 1: strip quitting because of how tough it was. And yeah,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of physical punishment that goes into playing
Speaker 1: at that level, and you know, Bill's old scho Well,
Speaker 1: he came from the Bill Parcells school of coaching, and
Speaker 1: I mean that was like full contact practices as much
Speaker 1: as possible, you know, all kinds of hitting. We probably
Speaker 1: did more hitting in New England than we did, you know,
Speaker 1: in my college days at the University of Arkansas. So
Speaker 1: you know, it was a it was a huge you know,
Speaker 1: it was very very tough on your body, you know,
Speaker 1: very tough mentally to to to survive and thrive and
Speaker 1: that and that tough of an environment. But you know
Speaker 1: it was a great preparation for what I was, you know,
Speaker 1: gonna do in the military and Rader school, and you know,
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, you know, guy had
Speaker 1: a plan. I would have loved to have played for
Speaker 1: a bit longer in the league, but you know, I
Speaker 1: wouldn't change it, Like going back, I would not change
Speaker 1: a single thing.
Speaker 2: Institutionally, dating a Patriots cheerleader frowned upon or encouraged for players.
Speaker 1: So, uh, they're actually I'm pretty sure it was actually
Speaker 1: it was against their rules.
Speaker 2: For from other another situation, I keep going, I would
Speaker 2: so obviously everybody, Yeah, I mean there is you know,
Speaker 2: there is kind of a double standard there it's from
Speaker 2: from what I remember, it is true that.
Speaker 1: I mean, there were no restrictions on us. I mean,
Speaker 1: we coul date whoever wanted, but for the Patriots cheerleaders,
Speaker 1: they would get fired if they, you know, we were
Speaker 1: caught with one of the players. I'm pretty sure Gronk's
Speaker 1: longtime girlfriend is a former Patriots cheerleader, and like that's
Speaker 1: that's what happened, is you know, they got outed in
Speaker 1: their relationship and she got canned or maybe maybe like
Speaker 1: they went public after she was done or something. But yeah, there,
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure it's against it's against their the cheerleader rules,
Speaker 1: you know, and that's you know, hey that I think
Speaker 1: that's kind.
Speaker 3: Of ridiculous, the cheerleader code of ethics.
Speaker 1: I mean, come on, yeah, I mean I think that's
Speaker 1: that's kind of absurd. Like, I mean American, Like there's
Speaker 1: an old Sports Illustrated cover of when when Miami won
Speaker 1: one of their national championships, you know, the you there's
Speaker 1: this famous you know photo of you know, one of
Speaker 1: the players on the field left of the game, you know,
Speaker 1: kissing the cheerleader. I mean, like people love that, Like
Speaker 1: what's wrong with that? I Mean, I really don't see
Speaker 1: you know, any problem. Maybe it's just me. I don't know,
Speaker 1: maybe there's some other rationale that I'm not seeing. But
Speaker 1: I thought that was kind of a dumb policy. And
Speaker 1: you know, I'm glad that Grant guy as a girl.
Speaker 3: There we go.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I think all the men of America
Speaker 2: are hitting your saying and some of the ladies. I'm
Speaker 2: sure tour seg it's that's absurd. But anyway, not an
Speaker 2: important topic, but I was curious. Anyway, Jake, you're doing
Speaker 2: great work.
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Speaker 3: Jake, thank you for your service and thank you for
Speaker 3: your time.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 3: I appreciate you being with us.
Speaker 1: Thanks for having me.
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