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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, a carror. Hotel guests say

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Speaker 1: we tasted blood in the water at the Cecil Hotel

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Speaker 1: just before Elisa's body found floating in the hotel water tank.

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Speaker 1: I'm Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. Thank you for

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Speaker 1: being with us.

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Speaker 2: Elisa Lamb is a twenty one year old university student

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Speaker 2: from British Columbia on a solo trip to California, starting

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Speaker 2: it to the City of Stars, writing in her blog,

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Speaker 2: I have arrived in Lalla Land.

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Speaker 3: What do you think people imagine when they picture the

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Speaker 3: Cecil Hotel?

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Speaker 4: Is there a room here that maybe somebody hasn't died in.

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Speaker 4: I never got used to.

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Speaker 1: That, never got used to that.

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Speaker 5: Bro out.

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Speaker 1: It's history.

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Speaker 6: The hotel Cecil has always had a dark persona.

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Speaker 4: People call it hotel death.

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Speaker 1: This was a place where sterio killers let.

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Speaker 6: Their hair down, like Richard Ramirez who had come back covered.

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Speaker 1: In blood and no one's got a problem with them.

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Speaker 1: And that was from our friends over at Netflix. It's

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Speaker 1: crime scene, the vanishing at the Cecil Hotel. But let

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Speaker 1: me assure everyone, this is no ghost story. There is

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Speaker 1: nothing supernatural about Alyssa's death. There is a logical conclusion

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Speaker 1: for this beautiful young girl's death, and I intend to

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Speaker 1: find it. I'm not blaming it on a haunting or

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Speaker 1: some phantom. She was killed, but how nonetheless, listen to this.

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Speaker 7: A hotel a notorious past is the site of another

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Speaker 8: Elisia Lamb from Vancouver, Canada is missing.

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Speaker 3: The big unanswered question is where is she?

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Speaker 9: The last footage that we have over was inside the elevator.

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Speaker 3: That's where the case starts to go askew, she.

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Speaker 10: Kept looking outside the door.

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Speaker 1: Why is the elevator not going anywhere?

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Speaker 3: Is someone keeping her here?

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Speaker 1: Her hand movements are very strange in.

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Speaker 3: Your body, like she's conjuring a spirit.

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Speaker 1: It makes people wonder is there something evil going on here? Well,

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Speaker 1: that's all well and good for Netflix to say. In Crime,

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Speaker 1: seeing the vanishing at the Cecil Hotel, it looks to

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Speaker 1: me like she's hiding from someone, someone very much alive

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Speaker 1: in that elevator. The last known surveillance video of Elisa.

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Speaker 1: What happened to Elisa joining me in an All Star panel

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Speaker 1: to make sense of what we know right now? But

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Speaker 1: to Kelly Hyman joining US veteran try a lawyer, TV

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Speaker 1: legal analyst, and host of Once Upon a Crime in Hollywood.

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Speaker 1: Why is it, Kelly, that people in that jurisdiction would

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Speaker 1: rather believe in a supernatural haunting than a plane and

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Speaker 1: simple murder.

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Speaker 7: People want to figure out why something happened. This case

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Speaker 7: has so many layers to it.

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Speaker 1: Here.

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Speaker 7: We have this hotel where death occurs in the hotel.

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Speaker 7: This young beautiful girl dies in the hotel, is found

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Speaker 7: in the water tank, and still no one knows how

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Speaker 7: she was put there, how she was killed. It's important

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Speaker 7: to know, Nancy, as you know that there is no

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Speaker 7: statute limitations on murder, so whoever did this should be

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Speaker 7: figure out what happened. Why did she die? If someone

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Speaker 8: You know?

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Speaker 1: To Karen started following up on what trial lawyer Kelly

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Speaker 1: Hyman is saying. Karen Stark is with US renowned as psychologist,

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Speaker 1: TV radio trauma expert. You can find her at Karensdark

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Speaker 1: dot com. That's Karen with a C if you're looking

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Speaker 1: for her online. Karen, why do people want to believe

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Speaker 1: there was a supernatural haunting, that a phantom has something

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Speaker 1: jump on the bandwagon and tune up about a ghost.

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Speaker 1: Did you see her in that elevator. She looks like

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Speaker 1: she's hiding from someone. Why does everyone want to assume

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Speaker 11: Well, because that's much more exciting, Nancy, the idea that

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Speaker 11: this is a hotel that's haunted and has phantoms, and

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Speaker 11: And yet what you said is absolutely true. You see

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Speaker 1: gesticulating what happened to this twenty two year old girl?

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Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, who is she?

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Speaker 12: Listen A Lisa Lamb is a twenty one year old

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Speaker 12: student at the University of British Columbia. She's an avid

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Speaker 12: pen name Nouvelle Nouveau. There she posts a mix of

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Speaker 12: chic and trending fashion photos, quotes strewn with bits and

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Speaker 12: pieces of her personal life, including her upcoming solo trip

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Speaker 1: Was excited about the trip. Listen.

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Speaker 9: Lisa Lamb embarks on a solo trip to California. Despite

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Speaker 9: her parents' protest, she reassures them with the promise of

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Speaker 9: daily check ins by phone. Her first stop is the

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Speaker 9: San Diego Zoo. Before arriving in La on January twenty sixth,

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Speaker 9: she posts on her Tumblr blog, I have arrived in

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Speaker 9: Lalla lad. She checks into the Cecil Hotel in downtown

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Speaker 1: Joining me in addition to Hadley Mere's investigative journalist Mike

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Speaker 1: McCormick is with US, owner and lead investigator of MCM Investigations,

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Speaker 1: FORMERLAPD Los Angeles Police department over twenty five years, and

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Speaker 1: you can find an mcminvestigations dot com. While Mike, having

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Speaker 1: been in LA for twenty five years, I guess you've

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Speaker 1: seen it all, or have you? I don't get why

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Speaker 1: people want to blame her death on a ghost. To

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Speaker 1: through all sorts of security hoops and she would not

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Speaker 1: But let me ask you this, Mike McCormick, why is

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Speaker 13: That very just muddies the waters. I believe she was

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Speaker 13: contaminate the water with poison. So this whole scenario does

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Speaker 1: And another thing to Mike McCormick, veteran investigator, former LAPD.

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Speaker 1: She embarks on a solo trip to California, now. One

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Speaker 1: My point is, this does not sound like a girl

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Speaker 1: doesn't seem afraid for her life. She certainly was not suicidal.

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Speaker 1: She's at the San Diego Zoo posting about it.

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Speaker 13: No, she doesn't seem like she was depressed at all.

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Speaker 13: She was having appeared to be having a good time.

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Speaker 13: Other than that video in the elevator, she's scared of something.

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Speaker 1: You're absolutely right there at the so called horror hotel,

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Speaker 1: the Cecil. So what do we know happens? Next two

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Speaker 1: HATTLEI thanks so much for being with us. Let me

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Speaker 1: ask you, why do people want very much to believe

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Speaker 14: Yes. Well, I think the reason a lot of people

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Speaker 14: to Alisa, this great mystery, is because of the history

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Speaker 15: Suicides, deaths, infamous murders. We had two serial killers, and

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Speaker 1: And that's seemed to take over the entire investigation crime

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Speaker 9: Listen, Alisa Lamb is supposed to end her stay at

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Speaker 1: It's Katie Orphan, a bookstore owner, and to you, Karen Start,

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Speaker 1: Joining me is renowned and esteemed medical examiner. She shot

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Speaker 1: author of the Homicide Investigation Field Guide. Doctor Michelle Dupree,

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Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. Another fact that really

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Speaker 1: sticks out in my mind, doctor Michelle, is that she

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Speaker 1: It is extremely rare, I would venture to say, almost

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Speaker 1: It had been built a suicide. It wasn't a suicide,

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Speaker 1: it sounds anecdotal, but statistics verify what I'm saying. A

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Speaker 6: Nancy, You're absolutely right, And the other things don't add

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Speaker 6: All of that, you know, And as you know, drowning

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Speaker 2: Elisa Lamb has promised her parents a daily check in

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Speaker 2: So the Lambs begin to worry when on January thirty first,

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Speaker 3: What do you think people imagine when they picture the

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Speaker 4: Is there a room here that maybe somebody hasn't died in.

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Speaker 1: That browt It's history. The hotel Cecil has always had

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Speaker 1: This was a place where serial killers let.

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Speaker 1: And no one's got a problem with them. As much

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Speaker 1: theory that this is a super natural phenomena, it's not.

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Speaker 1: She was killed. Elisa was killed. That was from our

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Speaker 17: The surveillance video released by the LAPD shows a Lisa

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Speaker 1: What do you think she's feeling right now? What do

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Speaker 1: You don't want that. You do not want the other

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Speaker 7: What was her state of mind?

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Speaker 7: That is definitely key.

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Speaker 7: Look at this video, we see her there and then

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Speaker 1: Karen starting joining me as a psychologist. Karen, I want

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Speaker 11: Was perfectly saying throughout the trip and having a great time.

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Speaker 1: Even though her appearans were distraught, no one could find

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Speaker 10: We noticed that the water pressure was very low. Turning

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Speaker 1: From Netflix, I'm seeing the vanishing at the Cecial Hotel

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Speaker 1: Okay from our friends at Netflix crime scene, the vanishing

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Speaker 1: Straight out to doctor Michelle Dupree, joining US pathologists, medical

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Speaker 6: Well, Nancy, that sounds like it's just because she was

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Speaker 15: So I my opinion is that there's a very logical

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Speaker 1: Pardess so far has been ruled officially as accidental, but

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Speaker 6: described as sediment. But I think that whatever is on

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Speaker 6: the body is probably a result from her being in

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Speaker 6: the water for so long.

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Speaker 9: Katie Orphan, manager of the Last bookstore in downtown la

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Speaker 9: is one of the last people to see and speak

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Speaker 9: with Alisa Lamb. She described Alisa as outgoing, lively, and

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Speaker 9: very friendly.

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Speaker 2: Elisa's parents report their daughter missing to LAPD and a

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Speaker 2: search ensues, but Elisa is nowhere to be found. That

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Speaker 2: is until guests at Elisa's hotel began to report something

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Speaker 2: murky in the water.

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Speaker 1: What happened to Elisa? Well, many people would have you

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Speaker 1: believe that she is the murder victim of a ghost.

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Speaker 3: Listen, what do you think people imagine when they picture

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Speaker 3: the manager of the Cecil Hotel.

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Speaker 4: Well, unfortunately a lot of them were thinking there's some crazy,

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Speaker 4: creepy person behind the scenes that just doesn't care and

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Speaker 4: is running this hotel where all these bad things happen,

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Speaker 4: and it's not true. But I would say there are

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Speaker 4: a lot of unique challenges when you are running a

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Speaker 4: hotel like the Cecil. A lot came with the place.

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Speaker 1: Well, you can't prosecute a hotel or its reputation that

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Speaker 1: from crime scene the vanishing at the Cecil Hotel on Netflix.

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Speaker 1: Let's deal with reality and hard evidence. Listen.

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Speaker 9: The mystery of how Alisa found her way into the

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Speaker 9: water tank remains. The four hotel water tanks, each with

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Speaker 9: a thousand gallon capacity, measure four by eight and require

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Speaker 9: a ladder to access. Additionally, access to the hotel's roof

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Speaker 9: is securely locked, only accessible with staff pass codes and keys.

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Speaker 9: Any unauthorized use of the doors or stairs would trigger

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Speaker 9: an alarm.

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Speaker 1: Straight back out to a renowned investigator, owner of MCM

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Speaker 1: Investigation's former lapd over twenty five years, Mike McCormick, Mike,

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Speaker 1: did you hear the security measures in place to guard

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Speaker 1: those cisterns from the residents? The guests at the cecil

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Speaker 1: four hotel water tanks, each with a one thousand gallon capacity.

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Speaker 1: They measure four by eight. No one can just fall in.

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Speaker 1: You have to go up a ladder to access each

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Speaker 1: one of them. This is important. The hotel's roof is

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Speaker 1: securely locked, only accessible with staff pass codes and keys.

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Speaker 1: Unauthorized use of doors or stairs triggers and alarm. In

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Speaker 1: our New York apartment, you can't go up on the roof.

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Speaker 1: It's impossible to get in unless you work there and

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Speaker 1: you have pass codes and keys. Now what does that

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Speaker 1: tell you.

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Speaker 13: Mike Nancy? That tells me the alarm was disconnected. The

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Speaker 13: law enforcement needs to look at previous staff members and

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Speaker 13: the current staff members that were at the hotel at

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Speaker 13: the time. The fact that she went to the fire

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Speaker 13: escape tells me that she was looking for an escape

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Speaker 13: route and either couldn't make it all the way out

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Speaker 13: out of the fire escape and was forced back by somebody,

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Speaker 13: and from that point was murdered and taken up onto

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Speaker 13: the roof and dumped into the water tank. And the

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Speaker 13: law enforcement needs to look at the staff, previous staff

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Speaker 13: that may have not been working there at the time,

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Speaker 13: and the current staff at the time.

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Speaker 1: Crime Stores with Nancy Gray. Joining me right now is

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Speaker 1: Matt Mangino, attorney, former felony prosecutor, and author of The

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Speaker 1: Executioners Toll. Matt, thank you for being with us. Everything

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Speaker 1: McCormick just said makes perfect sense. What do you think, Well,

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Speaker 1: it does make sense.

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Speaker 8: And you know, certainly, if I were investigating this case,

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Speaker 8: I'm looking on the inside immediately. If someone says that

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Speaker 8: these alarms were set, that there was no way to

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Speaker 8: get to the roof without triggering them, pass codes and

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Speaker 8: keys that I'm looking on the inside. I'm looking for

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Speaker 8: someone who would have the ability to disconnect the alarm

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Speaker 8: system and have keys to these areas. But the thing

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Speaker 8: that I would want to know is how many keys

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Speaker 8: are out there? I mean, this isn't the walled door

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Speaker 8: of a story. This is the Cecil Hotel. It's run down.

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Speaker 8: I mean, how many people have worked there? When was

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Speaker 8: the pass code last checked and inspected? You know, those

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Speaker 8: are all things that I would want to know. It's

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Speaker 8: easy to say, yeah we have a pass goode, Yeah

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Speaker 8: we have keys, are they functional? How many are there?

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Speaker 8: So I'm looking at a whole array of things. If

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Speaker 8: I'm investing this.

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Speaker 1: Kit too, Doctor Michelle Dupre, pathologists, medical examiner and detective

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Speaker 1: doctor Dupree. Even though her body had been in that

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Speaker 1: cistern for a period of days, her skin had slippage,

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Speaker 1: There was actually mold, black mold growing on her back.

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Speaker 1: Could you tell if there were signs of, for instance, asphyxiation, suffocation.

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Speaker 1: Could you tell if she had been molested, if she

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Speaker 1: had been raped, even though her body had been in

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Speaker 1: the water.

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Speaker 6: NA, It may be entirely possible. It really just depends

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Speaker 6: on the circumstances. But we could certainly tell if she

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Speaker 6: had been strangled, to say, or if she had had

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Speaker 6: blunt force trauma or some other kind of trauma. Absolutely

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Speaker 6: we would be able to tell those things.

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Speaker 1: But what about a rape kit, would you still be

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Speaker 1: able to obtain DNA?

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Speaker 6: We would do it a rape kit, and hopefully we

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Speaker 6: would be able to But because of being in the water,

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Speaker 6: I'd say there's probably a fifty to fifty chance it's possible.

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Speaker 6: It's really going to just depend on the circumstances. Water

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Speaker 6: is certainly going to dilute any DNA, perhaps even wash

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Speaker 6: it away, But there's always a chance, and we always

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Speaker 6: take samples anyway in the hopes that we do find it.

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Speaker 1: In the autopsy, we learned her anus was prolapsed. Could

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Speaker 1: that be a sign of sex assault?

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Speaker 6: It could be, but chances are simply part of the decomposition.

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Speaker 6: Unless there was any trauma surrounding that, it's probably normal decomposition.

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Speaker 1: To Karen Stark, Karen, you heard all the security measures

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Speaker 1: that were in place. The cisterns were very heavy to open,

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Speaker 1: you had to have a pass key, you had to

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Speaker 1: know secret codes within the hotel. The entire area was

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Speaker 1: locked and sealed off for guests. You couldn't get up

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Speaker 1: on the roof. But think about it, Karen Stark, if

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Speaker 1: she wanted to kill herself by drowning, why don't you

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Speaker 1: use the bathtub?

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Speaker 11: Why would she go through all of that? Nancy, that's

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Speaker 11: the part that makes absolutely no sense. She could kill

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Speaker 11: herself in a backup. She could use a razor blade.

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Speaker 11: We know that she wouldn't shoot herself because she's female,

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Speaker 11: so that's unlikely. But there's so much that points to

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Speaker 11: another person actually being there. As I said, if you

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Speaker 11: really watch the elevator, how can the elevator's not moving?

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Speaker 11: She's pressing all those keys over and over again and

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Speaker 11: it's just staying open the whole time. Then there are

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Speaker 11: the alarms. How would she lift the lid of that

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Speaker 11: water tank and actually take off her clothes? Imagine that,

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Speaker 11: walk up the ladder that throw her clothes inside the

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Speaker 11: water tank, lift the lid, and then throw herself. It's

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Speaker 11: just it's so improbable. There are so many easier ways

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Speaker 11: to kill yourself.

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Speaker 17: The Cecil Hotel, located in the skid Row area of

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Speaker 17: downtown Los Angeles, opened in nineteen twenty four and has

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Speaker 17: since been plagued by a history of mysterious, unnatural deaths

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Speaker 17: and suicides, alongside a dark roster of guests. Most notably,

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Speaker 17: infamous serial killer Richard vermier As otherwise known as the Nightstalker,

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Speaker 17: made the Cecil his temporary home in the early eighties

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Speaker 17: during his killing spree.

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Speaker 1: What happened to twenty two year old Alyssa Lamb and

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Speaker 1: I guarantee you it has nothing to do with the

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Speaker 1: ghost Listen. It just blew up in a website community.

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Speaker 13: It created this feeding front.

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Speaker 1: If it's a murder, then you need a murderer.

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Speaker 2: You really don't have the full story.

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Speaker 16: She was running around trying to save her own life.

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Speaker 13: Things to keep happening here over and over again.

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Speaker 10: This hotel was fighting something.

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Speaker 16: I would have never thought what was about to happen

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Speaker 16: could happen.

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Speaker 1: This is the latest chapter in a dark history for

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Speaker 1: the Cecil Hotel. That from our friends at Netflix's crime

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Speaker 1: scene the vanishing at the Cecil Hotel, this would not

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Speaker 1: be the first time there was an unexplained death. Does

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Speaker 1: anyone recall the name Annie Lee? I do?

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Speaker 19: Annie Lay leaves her apartment and, using Yale Transit, heads

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Speaker 19: off to the Sterling Hall of Medicine. Around ten am,

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Speaker 19: Lay walks from Sterling Hall to another campus building where

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Speaker 19: her research laboratory is located. Lay is seen on security

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Speaker 19: footage entering the building, but is not seen leaving. At

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Speaker 19: approximately nine pm that night, Lay has not returned home.

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Speaker 19: One of her five housemates calls police to purport her missing.

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Speaker 1: Annie Lay was actually murdered by a colleague who had

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Speaker 1: obsessed on her. Her body hidden in the wall. That's right,

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Speaker 1: she was murdered, and then of course some Shannon Graves,

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Speaker 1: how does she end up in a freezer?

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Speaker 9: Shannon Graves, a twenty eight year old woman from Ohio,

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Speaker 9: was found dead in a freezer in twenty seventeen. She

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Speaker 9: had been missing for months when her dismembered remains were

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Speaker 9: discovered in a friends freezer. Investigators connected her debt to

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Speaker 9: an ex boyfriend, Atturo Novoa, who was later convicted of

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Speaker 9: her murder. The case revealed a complex web of deception,

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Speaker 9: and Novoa's attempts to hide the crime shocked the community.

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Speaker 1: That's right, she didn't accidentally fall into a freezer, Nora.

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Speaker 1: Did she commit suicide by freezer? She was murdered. And

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Speaker 1: of course there's another water tank mystery, which to me

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Speaker 1: is not mysterious at all. It's a murder. Listen.

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Speaker 9: Githa and Ghera, a chemist, was found dead in a

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Speaker 9: water tank in New Jersey. Githa had gone to collect

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Speaker 9: water samples when she disappeared. Her radio and a broken

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Speaker 9: beaker were found in the tank, with a nearby access

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Speaker 9: panel slightly ajar and glass fragments on the floor. An

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Speaker 9: autopsy revealed bruising on her neck and body, suggesting a struggle,

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Speaker 9: but the official cause of death was ruled and drowning.

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Speaker 9: And despite an investigation in several suspects, no arrest were

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Speaker 9: made and the case remains unsolved.

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Speaker 1: And of course there is a student Brian Schaeffer, who

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Speaker 1: goes in a bar and never comes out.

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Speaker 12: At one fifteen am, Shaeffer, Florence and Reed head up

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Speaker 12: the Gateway Buildings escalator to the Ugly Tunic and partake

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Speaker 12: in one more rounded shots while listening to the band.

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Speaker 12: The bar is closing and masses of patrons head down

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Speaker 12: the escalator, but Florence and Reid can't find Schaeffer. The

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Speaker 12: pair eventually assumes that Shaeffer went home, likely walking to

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Speaker 12: his off campus apartment just six blocks away.

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Speaker 1: Somehow someway Brian Shaeffer is dead. To Matthew Mangino, veteran

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Speaker 1: trial lawyer and author, it's not a ghost that is

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Speaker 1: responsible for Alissa's death. And I don't believe she committed

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Speaker 1: suicide in that manner that I just don't see it. Statistically,

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Speaker 1: it didn't happen that way. Someone killed her, someone that

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Speaker 1: knew about those cisterns and had access to them.

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Speaker 5: Well, yeah, I would agree with Nancy, and I think

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Speaker 5: that the focus should be on former employees, former people

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Speaker 5: who had an opportunity to know their way around the hotel.

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Speaker 5: The reason I say that is a current employee.

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Speaker 20: You know you're not going to throw the body in

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Speaker 20: a water tank and close the cap, because you know

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Speaker 20: at some point it's going to be discovered, as it

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Speaker 20: was with.

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Speaker 13: The murky water and the bad smell.

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Speaker 8: So this is someone who isn't worried about being around

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Speaker 8: when that body's found, but knows their way around the hotel.

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Speaker 13: And I would look at former employees, former maintenance.

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Speaker 8: People who would have access to that area and know

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Speaker 8: how to navigate the security in the in the past codes.

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Speaker 1: If you know or think you know anything about the

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Speaker 1: death of this young girl, Alyssa Lamb, please call two

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Speaker 1: to LAPD online dot org and click on anonymous web tips.

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Speaker 1: We stop now to remember an American hero. Police officer

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Speaker 1: Marshall Lee Waters, mangam p D, Louisiana, shot and killed

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Speaker 1: in the line of duty. Officer Waters with the force

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Speaker 1: with MANGAPD and a full time EMT. Louisiana Highway four

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Speaker 1: twenty five renamed Marshall Waters Junior Memorial Highway in his honor.

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Speaker 1: He is survived by a loving sister, Felicia Waters, and

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Speaker 1: many other loving family members. American hero police officer Marshall

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Speaker 1: Lee Waters end of Watch, Nancy Gray Sonning off, Goodbye friend,