WEBVTT - The Evening Rocket: Robin Hood

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<v Speaker 1>Pushkin. The global pandemic was a boom time for American billionaires,

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<v Speaker 1>who gained a trillion dollars of wealth in twenty twenty alone,

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<v Speaker 1>and as CNBC reported at the height of the pandemic,

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<v Speaker 1>one of those billionaires was fast climbing the list of

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<v Speaker 1>the world's richest people. Elon Musk just past Bill Gates

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<v Speaker 1>become the second richest man in the world, with a

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<v Speaker 1>fortune of over one hundred and twenty eight billion dollars.

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<v Speaker 1>At the start of twenty twenty one, Elon Musk became

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<v Speaker 1>the richest man in the world. Since then, he's been

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<v Speaker 1>jockeying for the top place with other tech giants. As

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<v Speaker 1>NBC reported the spring. Altogether, the worth of those on

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<v Speaker 1>the list is thirteen point one trillion dollars, up from

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<v Speaker 1>eight trillion last year. The rise ring as most the

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<v Speaker 1>world was shut down during the pandemic. Welcome to The

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<v Speaker 1>Evening Rocket. I'm Jill Lapour. I'm a historian, a professor

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<v Speaker 1>at Harvard. This episode, which is called robin Hood, is

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<v Speaker 1>the last in the series I've been hosting about a

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<v Speaker 1>new kind of capitalism. Call it Muskism, extravagant extreme capitalism,

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<v Speaker 1>extra terrestrial capitalism, a form of capitalism influenced by fantasies

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<v Speaker 1>that come from science fiction. During the pandemic, the contrast

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<v Speaker 1>between the dire suffering of the masses and the vast

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<v Speaker 1>increase of wealth among a very few cast Muskism in

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<v Speaker 1>a particularly troubling light. In the US, Bernie Sanders proposed

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<v Speaker 1>the Make Billionaires Pay Act, a one time tax on

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<v Speaker 1>American billionaires to help cover the out of pocket medical

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<v Speaker 1>expenses of ordinary Americans for one year. Musk then got

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<v Speaker 1>into a Twitter war with Sanders. Sanders claimed Musk's well

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<v Speaker 1>had been made possible by billions of dollars in government

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<v Speaker 1>subsidies for his corporations. Musk suggested that Sanders should leave

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<v Speaker 1>him alone because Tesla is saving the planet. Lately, what

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<v Speaker 1>with one thing and another, Elon Musk has been in

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<v Speaker 1>the headlines more or less constantly. He's had phenomenal, really

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<v Speaker 1>almost unbelievable success. The electric car revolution really does seem

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<v Speaker 1>to be coming, and a lot of that is thanks

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<v Speaker 1>to Tesla, to Musk's vision, and to Tesla's commitment to

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<v Speaker 1>renewable energy. Meanwhile, Musk's other company, SpaceX, has spectacularly realized

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<v Speaker 1>the promise of its founding with the success of rockets

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<v Speaker 1>that go up and come down safely, they're reusable, and

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<v Speaker 1>with SpaceX carrying astronauts to the International Space Station. Then

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<v Speaker 1>there's Neuralink, which Musk announced has implanted a computer chip

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<v Speaker 1>in the brain of a live pig named Gertrude. Thebets

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<v Speaker 1>you're hearing are real time signals from the neural link

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<v Speaker 1>in Gertrude's head. In other recent Musk news, Starlink, another

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<v Speaker 1>SpaceX project, launched a record number of satellites, as reported

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<v Speaker 1>by CBS News and Sacramento NAH to a string of

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<v Speaker 1>lights streaking across northern California tonight, and the sky lit up.

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<v Speaker 1>Our newsroom falls lit up as well, bringing off the

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<v Speaker 1>hook with people wondering what are they. It seemed as

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<v Speaker 1>though anytime Musk did anything at all, newsroom phones lit

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<v Speaker 1>up with controversy. Those satellites were designed to bring Internet

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<v Speaker 1>service to the least networked parts of the world, but

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<v Speaker 1>some astronomers said they were ruining the night sky. SpaceX

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<v Speaker 1>believes these fears are overstated and Gertrude the pig. Some

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<v Speaker 1>neuroscientists were dubious about this experiment. One researcher telling the BBC,

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<v Speaker 1>the science was mediocre, and during the pandemic, Musk at

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<v Speaker 1>first opposed the shutdown and vowed to keep his Tesla

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<v Speaker 1>factory open, tweeting in all caps free America. Now Elon

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<v Speaker 1>Musk is escalating his fight with a California county, restarting

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<v Speaker 1>a Tesla factory in Fremont despite a stay at home

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<v Speaker 1>order there. Then, in protest of California's strict regulations, Musk

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<v Speaker 1>announced that he was moving too lightly regulated Texas and

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<v Speaker 1>had decided to build Tesla's gigafactory there too. We approached

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<v Speaker 1>both Tesla and SpaceX for a response on several points

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<v Speaker 1>in the series, but at the time of the recording

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<v Speaker 1>we had not received a reply. If earlier, Elon Musk

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<v Speaker 1>had been Iron Man, a hybrid Silicon Valley Hollywood superhero.

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<v Speaker 1>In twenty twenty one, he dubbed himself the doge Father

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<v Speaker 1>after the cryptocurrency as if he were head of a cryptomfia.

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<v Speaker 1>A CNBC reported market seemed to hang on his every word.

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<v Speaker 1>One thing we've learned lately is that when Elon Musk tweets,

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<v Speaker 1>the news cycle follows him, and in fact, he does

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<v Speaker 1>have a series of tweets in the past few minutes,

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<v Speaker 1>says I'm selling almost all physical possessions. Will own no house,

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<v Speaker 1>says Las. Stock price is too high, IMMO in my opinion,

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<v Speaker 1>and now give people back their freedom. It's going to

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<v Speaker 1>get attention. Stock now down almost seven percent. In the

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<v Speaker 1>world of Muski is m a single tweet by a

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<v Speaker 1>single person, not an announcement from a central bank, can

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<v Speaker 1>drive a stock pricer hobble a currency market. In January,

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<v Speaker 1>after the insurrection at the US capital Twitter band Donald Trump.

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<v Speaker 1>With Trump gone, Musks seemed to become the loudest voice

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<v Speaker 1>in the room the Love Hate Twitter account to follow.

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<v Speaker 1>If Trump's tweets destabilized American politics, Musk's tweets, as even

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<v Speaker 1>the doge Father himself observed, seemed to be destabilizing financial markets. Meanwhile,

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<v Speaker 1>as Musk, Bezos, Bill Gates, and Mark Zuckerberg jockeyed for

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<v Speaker 1>first place in the World's Richest Man contest with inconceivably

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<v Speaker 1>large fortunes, a lot of headlines had to do with

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<v Speaker 1>the fictive quality of money. After all, all forms of

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<v Speaker 1>currency are acts of imagination. As Douglas Adams pointed out

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<v Speaker 1>so well in The Hitchhiker's Guide to the galaxy. In fact,

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<v Speaker 1>there are three freely convertible currencies in the universe, but

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<v Speaker 1>the Alterian dollar has reasonly collapsed, the Flanian pubble bead

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<v Speaker 1>is only exchangeable for other Flanian pubble beads, and the

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<v Speaker 1>trigantic pew doesn't really counted money. I started out this

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<v Speaker 1>series with The Hitchhiker's Guide because Elon Musk read it

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<v Speaker 1>as a kid growing up in South Africa, and he

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<v Speaker 1>cites it all the time, like, for instance, when he

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<v Speaker 1>announced that he plans to name the first ship to

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<v Speaker 1>Mars the Heart of Gold. But The Hitchhiker's Guide is

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<v Speaker 1>also a strange influence on Muskism, partly because Adams was

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<v Speaker 1>so brutally gut wrenchingly funny about the arbitrariness of money

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<v Speaker 1>and the foibles and follies of financial schemers and assorted

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<v Speaker 1>idiot executives. If we could, up a moment, move on

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<v Speaker 1>to the starbitalis school policys, school policy. How can you

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<v Speaker 1>have money if none of you actually produce anything? It

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't grow on tree? And Adams was particularly devastating on

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<v Speaker 1>the subject of the damage done to the natural world

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<v Speaker 1>by advanced extractive capitalism, since we decided a few weeks

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<v Speaker 1>ago to adopt leaves of legal tender. We have, of course,

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<v Speaker 1>all the comm immense live also run into a small

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<v Speaker 1>intatient problem on account of the high level of leaf availability.

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<v Speaker 1>So in order to obviate this problem and defectively revalue

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<v Speaker 1>the leaf, we are a badlingbach on an extensive defaiation

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<v Speaker 1>campaign and burned on atists. If you've been following the

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<v Speaker 1>story of cryptocurrency, the scene from The Hitchhiker's Guide might

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<v Speaker 1>sound a little too on the nose. Elon Musk had

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<v Speaker 1>been a real booster of bitcoin. He announced earlier this

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<v Speaker 1>year that Tesla was buying millions of dollars of bitcoin

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<v Speaker 1>and that you could buy a Tesla with bitcoin, until

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<v Speaker 1>he changed his mind, citing the sort of environmental concerns

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<v Speaker 1>that I looked into an earlier episode of The Evening Rocket.

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<v Speaker 1>Turns out that mining bitcoin really is burning down the forests.

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<v Speaker 1>But of course there's a backstory to Muscism's relationship to currency,

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<v Speaker 1>so we're going to blast off to the past. The

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<v Speaker 1>kerfuffle over bitcoin really dates to eighteen forty eight and

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<v Speaker 1>the discovery of gold in California. A flood of gold

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<v Speaker 1>reach havoc on the US dollar, and so as the

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<v Speaker 1>federal government took on new powers, it adopted a gold standard,

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<v Speaker 1>which set a rate for the price of paper currency.

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<v Speaker 1>Europe then did the same thing. This ushered in a

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<v Speaker 1>new era of global trade, and not incidentally, the grotesque

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<v Speaker 1>economic inequality of the Gilded Age. Farmers and factory workers

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<v Speaker 1>argued for a silver standard, but the US formally established

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<v Speaker 1>the gold standard in the year nineteen hundred. That same year,

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<v Speaker 1>a science fiction writer named Garrett P. Service imagined a

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<v Speaker 1>different outcome in a novel called Moon Metal, in which

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<v Speaker 1>gold is discovered at this South Pole, setting off a

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<v Speaker 1>second gold rush. Gold is going to be as plentiful

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<v Speaker 1>as ire. If there were not such a flood of it,

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<v Speaker 1>we might manage. But when they begin to make trouser

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<v Speaker 1>buttons out of the same metal that is now locked

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<v Speaker 1>and guarded in steel vaults, where will be our standard

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<v Speaker 1>of worth? My dear fellow, I would as willingly face

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<v Speaker 1>the end of the world as this that's coming. Just then,

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<v Speaker 1>a sinister scientist discovers a mysterious new metal on the

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<v Speaker 1>Moon which he can beam to Earth by way of

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<v Speaker 1>a particle ray, and introduces a new and more precious

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<v Speaker 1>form of currency. I can produce it in the pure

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<v Speaker 1>form abundantly enough to replace gold, giving it the same

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<v Speaker 1>relative value the gold possessed when it was the universal

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<v Speaker 1>stand But that will make you the richest man who

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<v Speaker 1>ever lived. Undoubtedly, why you will become the financial dictator

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<v Speaker 1>of the whole earth. Undoubtedly, currency is always a worry.

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<v Speaker 1>Its value is so contrived, so imaginary, but also so important.

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<v Speaker 1>After the stock market crash of nineteen twenty nine, people

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<v Speaker 1>took their money out of the banks and turned in

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<v Speaker 1>their paper dollars for gold. In the nineteen thirties, the

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<v Speaker 1>US abandoned the gold standard, at least for the duration

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<v Speaker 1>of the depression, and prohibited the private ownership of gold.

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<v Speaker 1>If you've been listening to The Evening Rocket for the

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<v Speaker 1>last few episodes, you'll remember that it was during this era.

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<v Speaker 1>Then in Canada, Elon Musk's grandfather joined and became a

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<v Speaker 1>leader of the technocracy movement, founded on the belief that

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<v Speaker 1>engineers could solve all political, social and economic problems. Technocrats

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<v Speaker 1>did not believe in prices. My price system is not

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<v Speaker 1>meant merely the capitalistic system, which is only one variety

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<v Speaker 1>of the species. It means the collapse and complete obsolescence

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<v Speaker 1>of the entire method of distributing goods and services by

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<v Speaker 1>means of a price. Technocrats didn't believe in prices because

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<v Speaker 1>they didn't believe in any system not run by engineers.

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<v Speaker 1>They wanted to get rid of both governments and banks.

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<v Speaker 1>There will be no place for politics or politicians. Finance

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<v Speaker 1>or finance is rackets are racketeers in place of prices

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<v Speaker 1>and money. Technocrats wanted to reimagine the entire economic system

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<v Speaker 1>with a new currency, a unit of energy, an ERG

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<v Speaker 1>whose stability would eradicate the volatility of finance. A dollar

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<v Speaker 1>may be worth in buying power so much today and

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<v Speaker 1>moral as tomorrow, but a unit of work or heat

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<v Speaker 1>is the same in nineteen hundred, nineteen twenty nine, nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>thirty three are the year two thousand. The ERG never

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<v Speaker 1>did replace the dollar, and the US formerly abandoned the

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<v Speaker 1>gold standard in nineteen seventy six, but starting in two

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<v Speaker 1>thousand and nine, people who want to trade in units

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<v Speaker 1>other than dollars can buy bitcoins. Bitcoin a cryptocurrency isn't

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<v Speaker 1>based on anything of value, Although not unlike the ERG,

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<v Speaker 1>it has some relationship to energy. The energy it takes

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<v Speaker 1>to produce it. Financial analysts who talk about bitcoin tend

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<v Speaker 1>to refer not to the Hitchhiker's Guide but to Peter

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<v Speaker 1>Pan and the so called Tinkerbell effect. It takes his

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<v Speaker 1>faith and trust. Oh and something I forgot dust dust

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<v Speaker 1>gaff yep, just a little bit of pixie dust. Bitcoin's value,

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<v Speaker 1>like the value of other money, only exists if you

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<v Speaker 1>believe it exists, like Tinkerbell or Neverland. Nevertheless, in a

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<v Speaker 1>report issued earlier this year, JP Morgan suggested that bitcoin

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<v Speaker 1>is poised to become the new gold standard. Cryptocudencies were

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<v Speaker 1>designed to make payments without a trusted third party, such

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<v Speaker 1>as a government or the financial institution they involved. Eshwar

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<v Speaker 1>Prasad is an economist at Cornell University and a fellow

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<v Speaker 1>at the Brookings Institute, author of a forthcoming book on

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<v Speaker 1>the future of money. He believes cryptocurrency has set off

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<v Speaker 1>a revolution, a foundational change in finance, but that bitcoin

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<v Speaker 1>itself has not admit its subjectives. Bitcoin has really ended

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<v Speaker 1>up failing in what it was supposed to provide, which

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<v Speaker 1>is a cheap, trustless medium of exchange. It turns out

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<v Speaker 1>it is not anonymous. It turns out it is not cheap,

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<v Speaker 1>and it is not very efficient, so bitcoin has centered

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<v Speaker 1>up becoming a pure speculative asset. The technology underlying cryptocurrencies,

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<v Speaker 1>Perside argues, well, of all kinds of effects on finance,

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<v Speaker 1>it really is the future. But he's not persuaded that

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<v Speaker 1>some advocates claim cryptocurrencies will democratize finance. They've made it

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<v Speaker 1>possible for people with very low incomes, very low levels

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<v Speaker 1>of wealth to get relatively easy access to digital payments

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<v Speaker 1>and also to basic banking products. But the problem is

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<v Speaker 1>that digital access is unequal and financial literacy is unequal.

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<v Speaker 1>You might give people easy access to a lot of products,

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<v Speaker 1>but if you don't teach them their risks embedded in

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<v Speaker 1>those products, then you might end up with the relatively

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<v Speaker 1>less well off taking on much more risks than they

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<v Speaker 1>realize that they're taking on, and the rich ending up

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<v Speaker 1>being able to use his technologies much more to their advantage,

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<v Speaker 1>so they become even better off than they are right now.

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<v Speaker 1>One version of that story is the story of robin Hood,

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<v Speaker 1>when feudal barons ravaged the countryside to live in pomp

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<v Speaker 1>and splendor. When one man alone, they're challenged the might

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<v Speaker 1>of his country's oppressors, robin Hood. No, not that robin hood.

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<v Speaker 1>This robin hood couldn't be easier to make a trade

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<v Speaker 1>using the robin Hood app three taps, I just bought

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<v Speaker 1>some stock earlier this year, this robin hood the investing

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<v Speaker 1>app led to a rockiss over a video game company

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<v Speaker 1>called game Stop. A number of Wall Street firms had

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<v Speaker 1>taken a bet that the pri of game Stop stock

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<v Speaker 1>would fall, and somehow a group of people on Reddit

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<v Speaker 1>decided that they were going to take on these hedge

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<v Speaker 1>funds and show them the power of the masses. So

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<v Speaker 1>they basically rallied around a lot of retail investors who

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<v Speaker 1>would start buying up game Stop stock, thereby driving up

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<v Speaker 1>its price. So they started buying up shares, which was

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<v Speaker 1>made possible through this robin Hood app which allows for

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<v Speaker 1>low cost or essentially zero commissioned trading. The problem, of course,

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<v Speaker 1>is that those who got to the party late were

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<v Speaker 1>the retail investors, and they got sucked in and ended

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<v Speaker 1>up losing a lot of money, because, as you might expect,

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<v Speaker 1>the speculative frenzy finally ended, the price of game Stop

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<v Speaker 1>stock fell and many of these retail investors got burned. There.

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<v Speaker 1>It is Wendy Second start of the right straight on

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<v Speaker 1>till morn. That's Peter Pan leading the way to the

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<v Speaker 1>island of lost boys who never grow up. Musk's fans

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<v Speaker 1>seemed to think of him less as Peter Pan, though,

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<v Speaker 1>and more as Robin Hood. That I think is partly

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<v Speaker 1>due to the story of dogecoin, a cryptocurrency based on

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<v Speaker 1>nothing except a meme about a dog, started by a

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<v Speaker 1>software engineer named Jackson Palmer as a joke. Palmer later

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<v Speaker 1>wrote an article called my joke cryptocurrency hit two billion

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<v Speaker 1>dollars and something is very wrong, in which he said cryptocurrency,

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<v Speaker 1>for all its promise, had become nothing more than an

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<v Speaker 1>unregulated penny stock market. Musk hadn't been much involved in

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<v Speaker 1>all of this, but in twenty nineteen, after people started

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<v Speaker 1>tweeting that he should be the CEO of dogecoin, he

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<v Speaker 1>said it was his favorite cryptocurrency. Dozecogn's value skyrocketed, then,

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<v Speaker 1>in a kind of quintessential act of Muscism, Musk kept

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<v Speaker 1>tweeting about it and upwind its price. This past February,

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<v Speaker 1>Musk talked about dogecoin on Clubhouse, a kind of audio

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<v Speaker 1>chat room. Popular and Silicon Valley occasionally make jokes about dogcoin,

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<v Speaker 1>they are really just meant to be joked. But dose

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<v Speaker 1>cooin is made as a joke to make fun of cryptocurrencies, obviously,

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<v Speaker 1>but fate Love's irony and often as part of my

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<v Speaker 1>says that most ironic outcome is most likely, or I

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<v Speaker 1>say the most entertaining outcome is often the most likely

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<v Speaker 1>and arguably the most entertaining outcome, and the most ironic

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<v Speaker 1>outcome would be that dogecoin becomes the currency of Earth

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<v Speaker 1>in the future, the future, the future. But to me,

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<v Speaker 1>beneath the thunder of rocket engines and far from the

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<v Speaker 1>glare of computer screens, there's something medieval going on here.

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<v Speaker 1>Even calling a cryptocurrency a coin is kind of a throwback.

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<v Speaker 1>So I called up a medievalist named Rory Naismith who

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<v Speaker 1>teaches at Cambridge. I asked him how people in the

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<v Speaker 1>Middle Ages trusted money. You can trust the people behind it,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's important. They think about money very much in

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<v Speaker 1>personal terms. These coins are very often issued in the

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<v Speaker 1>name of a king or a bishop or someone like that.

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<v Speaker 1>That's one side of it. There's a strong sense that

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<v Speaker 1>money is precious metal. It's not quite worth its weight

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<v Speaker 1>in gold or silver, at least not always, but that

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<v Speaker 1>is still there as a kind of kind of fallback.

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<v Speaker 1>So there's a degree of abstraction that we put our

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<v Speaker 1>trust in the identity of the person whose faces on

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<v Speaker 1>the coin, say, but there's also a degree of real

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<v Speaker 1>concrete value. You could melt this thing down right, Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>that's exactly right, and right down to the seventeenth eighteenth

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<v Speaker 1>century people thought of their silverware, their forks, their plates,

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<v Speaker 1>all that sort of thing as in a very real

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<v Speaker 1>sense another kind of money. Then, of course came paper

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<v Speaker 1>money and banks and the nation state, and the growth

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<v Speaker 1>of state power and government regulation of currency, the Bank

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<v Speaker 1>of England, the Federal Reserve. It's as if some advocates

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<v Speaker 1>of cryptocurrency, some of them use an investing app named

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<v Speaker 1>after a mythical medieval character, want to uninvent all of

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<v Speaker 1>those things. They want to go back to a time

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<v Speaker 1>before those things were invented, to a fantasy Middle Ages

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<v Speaker 1>where the currency is coin and robin Hood is stealing

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<v Speaker 1>from the rich and giving to the poor. In a way,

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<v Speaker 1>it's also a bit like not necessarily just the future

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<v Speaker 1>of money, but also going back to the past of money.

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<v Speaker 1>It's it's quite light going back to this period in

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<v Speaker 1>the Middle Ages, when you thought much more in terms

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<v Speaker 1>of people and sources rather than bigger states and bigger

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<v Speaker 1>institutions that would underpin the authority and trustworthiness of these coins.

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<v Speaker 1>To me in Sherwood Forest, Elon Musk isn't Robin Hood.

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<v Speaker 1>He's the king whose face is on the coin. In

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<v Speaker 1>Musk retrust. In February, Musk tweeted the single word doze

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<v Speaker 1>under a picture of a SpaceX rocket in front of

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<v Speaker 1>the moon. Doge to the Moon became a rallying cry.

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<v Speaker 1>This was all a performance, a joke, topsy turvy, like

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<v Speaker 1>a medieval carnival. Musk would tweet outrageous things, then say

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<v Speaker 1>he was only joking. On April Fool's Day, he tweeted

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<v Speaker 1>SpaceX is going to put it literal dogecoin on the

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<v Speaker 1>literal Moon. A joke, but also not a joke. Musk

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<v Speaker 1>said that SpaceX will be accepting dogecoin as payment, with

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<v Speaker 1>one doge funded launch scheduled next year. Meanwhile, Tessa was

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<v Speaker 1>in the news for investing in and accepting bitcoin, and

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<v Speaker 1>then in the news for walking all that back. Days later,

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<v Speaker 1>NBC's Saturday Night Live announced that Musk would host an

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<v Speaker 1>upcoming episode. It aired on Mother's Day Eve. Musk brought

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<v Speaker 1>his mother onto the stage and told her his present

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<v Speaker 1>for her was dogecoin. In his opening monologue, Musk announced

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<v Speaker 1>that he has Asperger syndrome. Look, I know I sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>say or post strange things, but that's just how my

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<v Speaker 1>brain works. To anyone I've offended, I just want to

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<v Speaker 1>say I reinvented electric Carson. I'm sending people to Mars

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<v Speaker 1>and our rocketship. Did you think I was also going

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<v Speaker 1>to be a chill, normal dude. Some people in the

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<v Speaker 1>autism community celebrated Musk's announcement a milestone, and, as some

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<v Speaker 1>autistic writers observed, there was something very moving when he

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<v Speaker 1>joked that he was pretty good at running human in

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<v Speaker 1>emulation mode. Elsewhere, Musk has joked that he's an alien

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<v Speaker 1>or a robot other ways that he's conjured a struggle

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<v Speaker 1>experienced by many people on the autism spectrum who've been

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<v Speaker 1>forced to mask their very selves. But there were critics too,

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<v Speaker 1>who maintained that Musk's announcement was deeply cynical and just

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<v Speaker 1>another element of an anything goes capitalism. In Slate magazine,

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<v Speaker 1>journalist Sarah Ludermann who was autistic objected to a billionaire

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<v Speaker 1>using Asperger's to insulate himself from criticism of his business practices,

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<v Speaker 1>writing Apparently Asperger's syndrome means in never having to say

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<v Speaker 1>you're sorry. What struck me, though, is that Musk's monologue

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<v Speaker 1>made out as if people who criticize him object to

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<v Speaker 1>him personally. But it has never been my sense that

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<v Speaker 1>serious people who criticize Musk do so because they object

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<v Speaker 1>to his tone or his mode of expression. The coral

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<v Speaker 1>isn't with what he says or how he says it,

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<v Speaker 1>but with what he does and with the world he

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<v Speaker 1>seems to want to build. The coral isn't with Musk,

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<v Speaker 1>but with Muscism. To Luderman's point, appearing on SNL gave

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<v Speaker 1>Musk all sorts of opportunities to tell a new, redemptive

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<v Speaker 1>story about himself. He appeared in nearly every sketch as

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<v Speaker 1>the Nintendo villain Warrior on trial for murdering Mario, he explained,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not evil, I'm just misunderstood. In a skit set

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<v Speaker 1>in the Old West, he played a bandit named leron

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<v Speaker 1>what if instead of panning for gold, we just create

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<v Speaker 1>our own currency currency? Yeah? And what the heck would

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<v Speaker 1>it be based on? Whatever we say it's based on

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<v Speaker 1>da ain't how money works. The money ain't the golden

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<v Speaker 1>rock that we dig out of the ground. Then we

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<v Speaker 1>hope no one kills us before we train it for

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<v Speaker 1>pieces of green paper. It's a perfect system. It's a

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<v Speaker 1>weird thing about being a historian, and everything reminds you

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<v Speaker 1>of something else. Watching Elon Musk play Leron dressed like

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<v Speaker 1>a cowboy, he looked exactly like an old photograph of

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<v Speaker 1>his grandfather, the technocrat, who worked as a cowboy and

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<v Speaker 1>performed at rodeos doing rope tricks. The family likeness is uncanny.

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<v Speaker 1>Musk is also named after that cowboy's father, his great grandfather.

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<v Speaker 1>Elon muskis m asks us to picture always the future,

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<v Speaker 1>But I find it hard not to keep picturing the past.

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<v Speaker 1>Yanked back lassoed by likenesses on SNL, Musk appeared too

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<v Speaker 1>on the show's newscast as a cryptocurrency expert who can't

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<v Speaker 1>give a straight answer. What is dollas coin? Well, it

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<v Speaker 1>actually started as a joke based on an Internet meme. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>but what is doa co? Finally he admits the truth.

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<v Speaker 1>I keep telling you it's a cryptocrcy you can trade

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<v Speaker 1>for conventional money. Oh so the hustle, Yeah, it's awesome.

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<v Speaker 1>That night, Dogcoin lost a third of its value. Me

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<v Speaker 1>I was left thinking about the ending to that old

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<v Speaker 1>science fiction story Moon Metal from the year nineteen hundred.

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<v Speaker 1>The looting of the Moon brought disaster to the Raba planet,

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<v Speaker 1>so mad with the efforts to get the precious metal

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<v Speaker 1>that the surface of our globe was fairly showered with it.

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<v Speaker 1>The air was filled with shining dust until finally famine

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<v Speaker 1>and pestilence joined hands with financial disaster to punish the

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<v Speaker 1>grasping world. At the end of Moon Metal, markets collapse

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<v Speaker 1>until an international agreement leads to government control of the currency.

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<v Speaker 1>Some people think this is what's most likely to happen

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<v Speaker 1>to cryptocurrency too. Meantime, the air is being filled with

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<v Speaker 1>shining pixie dust as famine and pestilence and pandemic join

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<v Speaker 1>hands with financial disaster to punish the grasping world. This

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<v Speaker 1>is an age of technological wonder, an entrepreneurial experimentation. It

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<v Speaker 1>is in many ways tremendously thrilling. SpaceX and Tesla engineering

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<v Speaker 1>marvels as social engineering, though I don't find any of

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<v Speaker 1>this thrilling. The people with the most money shouldn't get

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<v Speaker 1>to decide what happens on Earth, or on the Moon,

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<v Speaker 1>or to the skies, or on Mars or anywhere. To me,

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<v Speaker 1>the larger story about the rise of Muscism extravagant, extreme

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<v Speaker 1>fantastical capitalism is its anachronism. I can't tell you anything

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<v Speaker 1>about the future of Muscism, but it strikes me that

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<v Speaker 1>for all its obsession with the future, Muscism is trapped

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<v Speaker 1>in the past. Elon Musk is a visionary But what

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<v Speaker 1>I've come to believe during the research for the series

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<v Speaker 1>is that those visions come from a future first imagined

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<v Speaker 1>in science fiction long long ago, decades, sometimes more than

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<v Speaker 1>a century ago. Rockets to Mars, electric cars, cryptocurrency, a

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<v Speaker 1>future without governments or banks. A future where engineers and scientists,

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<v Speaker 1>and only engineers and scientists have the answers. A future

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<v Speaker 1>whose long dead author is very often pictured. A world

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<v Speaker 1>where the poor and the powerless and the robots know

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<v Speaker 1>their place, and it is to serve the powerful quietly

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<v Speaker 1>and obediently, and without daring to claim sovereignty or independence

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<v Speaker 1>or even intelligence. This future was imagined by a very

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<v Speaker 1>tiny number of men during an age of imperialism before

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<v Speaker 1>women could vote, an age of staggering economic inequality and

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<v Speaker 1>brutal racial injustice, an age of pandemic disease, on raveling

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<v Speaker 1>democracies and World War The President is tough, but that

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<v Speaker 1>past is past, and I don't want it ever to

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<v Speaker 1>be the future again. The Evening Rocket was written and

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<v Speaker 1>read by me Jillapour for the BBC. The Evening Rocket

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<v Speaker 1>was produced by viv Jones. Oliver Riskin Cuts was the researcher.

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<v Speaker 1>The editor was Hugh Levinson. The commissioning editor was Dan Clark.

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<v Speaker 1>Ionah Hammond was production coordinator. Mixing by Graham put a

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<v Speaker 1>Foot and original music by Cornti for Pushkin. It was

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<v Speaker 1>produced by Sophie Crane, mckibbon and Jake Gorski, who also

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<v Speaker 1>did the mix and sound design. Production support from Ben

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<v Speaker 1>Natt of Haafrick. Our executive producer is Mielobell. Our operations

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<v Speaker 1>team includes Daniella Lakhan, Maya Kanig and Carl mcgliori. Thanks

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<v Speaker 1>also to John Schnar's, Jacob Eisburg, Maggie Taylor, Heather Fain,

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<v Speaker 1>Nicole Moreno and Eric Sandler.