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Speaker 1: quick note at the top of the show Beckdel continuity

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Speaker 1: check for all you eagle eared listeners. You're about to

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Speaker 1: hear an episode about the movie A Little Princess, one

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Speaker 1: of the stars of which is Vanessa Chester, who you

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Speaker 1: may know was recently on the Bechdel Cast for our

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Speaker 1: book Smart episode. Now, in this episode, we are talking

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Speaker 1: after this episode was recorded. So if you're listening to

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Speaker 1: this and you're thinking, hey, why are they talking about

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Speaker 1: this Becky character is if they'd never met the actor, Well,

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Speaker 1: that's why. We simply had not met her yet. And

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Speaker 1: in the magical world of podcasting, sometimes you record an

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Speaker 1: and get ready for a hell of an episode. Here's

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Speaker 1: a Little Princess Cast. Hello, and welcome to the beck

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Speaker 1: Del cast. My name is Jamie Loftus. My name is

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Speaker 1: Caitlin Drante. It was a dramatic positive. I panicked, Sorryanic,

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Speaker 1: I have an offered Molina update, but you actually provided

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Speaker 1: me with Because we both follow his fins to, we

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Speaker 1: Has to thank you for keeping me young. So this

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Speaker 1: So we're recording this around the time that abortion rights

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Speaker 1: he posted in solidarity with women because he is a

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Speaker 1: feminist icon. He posted what appears to be a kaleidoscopic

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Speaker 1: no voice unquote. I mean a true feminist icon, truly,

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Speaker 1: we are uniquely suited to with our movie this week. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: That's demonstrate RIGHTA Caitlin Jamie, what is it? Um? Oh shit?

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Speaker 1: we still don't know how to pass on the Becktel

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Speaker 1: we're talking about a Little Princess movie directed by Alfonso

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Speaker 1: Pajaiba dot Com. It's Joel Monique. Hi's okay, we're so sorry,

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Speaker 1: thanks for coming. I'm so excity to be here. I

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Speaker 1: is she wearing something different? And then the girl she's

424
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Speaker 1: speaking to she says, that's Becky. She's not allowed to

425
00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:39,359
Speaker 1: talk to us. Why not? She's a servant girl and

426
00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:42,560
Speaker 1: she has dark skin, so well doesn't that mean something?

427
00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:44,840
Speaker 1: Like it's just like I mean, it was just like

428
00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:48,520
Speaker 1: it was interesting to see like a young girl like

429
00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:53,280
Speaker 1: encountering that and then also having the girls around her explain, oh,

430
00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:56,000
Speaker 1: isn't this just like how things are and like just

431
00:25:56,359 --> 00:25:59,320
Speaker 1: not challenging it, and it's such a great Like the

432
00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:03,400
Speaker 1: reason I really love this film is because of Becky essentially,

433
00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:05,359
Speaker 1: like Becky's the only black girl in her school. I

434
00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:08,200
Speaker 1: was only black girl in my school until seventh grade.

435
00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:11,200
Speaker 1: So the way the girls reacted around her, the way

436
00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:13,879
Speaker 1: that they had a lot of thoughts about who Becky

437
00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:15,440
Speaker 1: should be or how she should act like all that

438
00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:18,879
Speaker 1: like really resident like Becky looks different and she acts different,

439
00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:22,320
Speaker 1: and her responsibilities are different, and it's like to see

440
00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:25,200
Speaker 1: a film explorer, you have to be taught to hate

441
00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:27,600
Speaker 1: in a way that isn't so in your face about it.

442
00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:30,480
Speaker 1: It was sort of refreshing. I love the way that

443
00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:33,400
Speaker 1: that scene ends because there isn't really anything for her

444
00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:35,640
Speaker 1: to say, like she challenges as much as she can,

445
00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:38,879
Speaker 1: and Sarah challenges most situate like when they're like no

446
00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:41,560
Speaker 1: talking at the dinner table, She's like, well, that's unnatural.

447
00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:45,560
Speaker 1: People discuss, you know, it's weird. I just said thank you.

448
00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:48,120
Speaker 1: Usually that's you know, really rewarded as a child, like, oh,

449
00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:51,800
Speaker 1: she knows her manners um and so I I like

450
00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:54,280
Speaker 1: the idea of I think this film is a really

451
00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:56,480
Speaker 1: good job of showing like kids have agency and our

452
00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:59,000
Speaker 1: people and have thoughts, but oftentimes they don't know what

453
00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:01,119
Speaker 1: to do with those thoughts. Like I feel like a

454
00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:03,280
Speaker 1: lot of times, like when we get smart kids in movie,

455
00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:05,959
Speaker 1: they're like just slam dunking on adults. Like I mean,

456
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:09,480
Speaker 1: we talked about like the precocious child trope all the time,

457
00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:11,800
Speaker 1: and I didn't feel as though any of the children

458
00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:14,520
Speaker 1: in this movie fell into that trope, which felt like

459
00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:18,800
Speaker 1: refreshing to see like kids acting like kids. And even

460
00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:22,320
Speaker 1: when like Sarah challenges Lonnie the smallest bit, you almost

461
00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:25,520
Speaker 1: see her be like, oh, I don't know, like like

462
00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:27,600
Speaker 1: that's just I don't know. I never had a cognitive

463
00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:29,840
Speaker 1: thought about this. I just accepted what was given to me.

464
00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:32,840
Speaker 1: And I guess it makes sense for Sarah to have

465
00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:36,880
Speaker 1: that attitude because I mean she grew up in India

466
00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:40,800
Speaker 1: among people with dark skin and like that, I mean

467
00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:43,600
Speaker 1: she was a British colonizer, even though she has an

468
00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:48,960
Speaker 1: American accent. Confusing, but I guess I mean people with

469
00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:52,320
Speaker 1: dark skin were very normal to her. This is where

470
00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:54,400
Speaker 1: I think it gets muddled, as like, Okay, it would

471
00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:56,760
Speaker 1: have been great to have gotten some reference points of

472
00:27:57,000 --> 00:27:59,480
Speaker 1: what her status wasn't that society and where her father's

473
00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:02,879
Speaker 1: position of rank was, because is he like just the

474
00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:05,600
Speaker 1: soldier hanging out and he's practically one of the people.

475
00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:09,600
Speaker 1: And then money, yeah, which makes me think there's much higher. Also,

476
00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:12,520
Speaker 1: when we see her room in India, it's like elaborate

477
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:15,320
Speaker 1: and gorgeous. They say it's the biggest room. He says,

478
00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:19,880
Speaker 1: I spared no expense, like he's they're clearly very wealthy totally,

479
00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:22,359
Speaker 1: And so I think trying to figure out, like how

480
00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:24,600
Speaker 1: much did she see? How much does she aware? Because

481
00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:26,320
Speaker 1: as much as I believe you have to be taught,

482
00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:29,159
Speaker 1: also believe that by like ten, you've seen enough of

483
00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:32,240
Speaker 1: the world east can start putting together how human street

484
00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:35,480
Speaker 1: different humans differently, Um and I think she would have

485
00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:37,760
Speaker 1: seen bits and pieces of that in India, and so

486
00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:40,520
Speaker 1: it's like, I don't know, it's nice that she's so

487
00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:42,560
Speaker 1: innocent and you can kind of pass it off, but

488
00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:45,320
Speaker 1: it's also hard to believe that she would be like that.

489
00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:47,880
Speaker 1: And yeah, there's I mean, and there's like a lot

490
00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:49,800
Speaker 1: of and we can get into this later as well,

491
00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:52,560
Speaker 1: but like there's a lot of you know, like confusion

492
00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:54,400
Speaker 1: and a little bit of I guess I don't know

493
00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:56,120
Speaker 1: if we can call it a controversy if it's in

494
00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:59,400
Speaker 1: a hundred year old book. But Frances Hodgson Burnett, who

495
00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:02,640
Speaker 1: read this The Secret Garden uh never went to India,

496
00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:06,240
Speaker 1: had never been there, but us as like those colonial

497
00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:09,680
Speaker 1: themes like in the background of so many of her books,

498
00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:15,720
Speaker 1: and presents Indian characters as like very docile and like

499
00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:18,360
Speaker 1: the sight he really was bothering me. By the end

500
00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:20,960
Speaker 1: of the movie, I'm like, this is like maybe a

501
00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:23,400
Speaker 1: third of his lines are just that one word, and

502
00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:28,360
Speaker 1: it's such a signal call of servitude, and it's just like,

503
00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:31,120
Speaker 1: I don't think we needed it. She hangs out with

504
00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:33,880
Speaker 1: so many like servants, people of different skin color, Like

505
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:36,440
Speaker 1: you could have made this person a human being as

506
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:40,240
Speaker 1: opposed to just the magical genie figure, right, yeah, and

507
00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:42,320
Speaker 1: and I mean and it's like especially because like this

508
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:47,200
Speaker 1: movie takes place in nine four when rebellion in India

509
00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:49,880
Speaker 1: is becoming like a huge thing. This is like when

510
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:52,640
Speaker 1: Gandhi's movement is taking off, and they're like, no, they're

511
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:57,760
Speaker 1: mostly just there to make dinner appear by magic. Like

512
00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:00,560
Speaker 1: it's just it's I don't know, so the like the

513
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:03,840
Speaker 1: whole way that that author approaches stuff like that, it

514
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:06,720
Speaker 1: seems to be like agreed upon that it's like very

515
00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:11,400
Speaker 1: at best, very misguided. That might serve as a good

516
00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:16,880
Speaker 1: transition into the conversation that I had with our friend

517
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Speaker 1: Paula Vanalan, friend of the show, friend of the show.

518
00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:24,520
Speaker 1: We had a quick chat with her that we will

519
00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:31,800
Speaker 1: play for you now. Hi, Caitlin, Here, I am sitting

520
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:36,080
Speaker 1: with a friend of the podcast, Paula vignal In, who

521
00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:41,240
Speaker 1: watched the movie with us and then also recorded this

522
00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:45,320
Speaker 1: previously and then the audio quality was bad, my fault.

523
00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:49,120
Speaker 1: So we're doing this again. Yeah, I get to talk more. Yes,

524
00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:54,720
Speaker 1: So thanks for coming back. We really appreciate it and

525
00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:59,959
Speaker 1: we would love to hear your insights about the representation

526
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:06,000
Speaker 1: of Indian people Indian culture in the movie A Little Princess. Yes,

527
00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:08,720
Speaker 1: you gave me notes because this was a month ago

528
00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:11,719
Speaker 1: and I forgot um. I guess we could start by

529
00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:16,320
Speaker 1: talking about the mythology that's represented in the movie, and

530
00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:20,400
Speaker 1: that's like the story of the Ramayanaum. To set this

531
00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:24,240
Speaker 1: up a little bit, the Sarah character is telling a

532
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:28,160
Speaker 1: story to her classmates throughout the course of the movie.

533
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:31,120
Speaker 1: So every so often we'll we'll cut two scenes of

534
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:34,040
Speaker 1: Sarah telling the story, and then there will also be

535
00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:39,080
Speaker 1: other cuts to characters enacting the story that she's telling.

536
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:42,360
Speaker 1: So that's the setup. And I think we thought that

537
00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:44,360
Speaker 1: from the beginning of the movie it was a story

538
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:48,280
Speaker 1: told to her by an Indian woman that she's then relaying, Right,

539
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:50,480
Speaker 1: that's what we're meant to believe, I think. But I

540
00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:54,160
Speaker 1: think she is taking ownership of the story because her

541
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:57,280
Speaker 1: friends are all like, you're such a good storyteller, and

542
00:31:57,400 --> 00:32:01,040
Speaker 1: it's like she just was telling Hindu mythology, like a

543
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:03,160
Speaker 1: whole religion to her friends, and it's just like I

544
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:06,640
Speaker 1: came up with us well, full disclosure, when I watched

545
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:08,960
Speaker 1: this movie a lot as a kid, I had no

546
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:12,120
Speaker 1: idea that the story that she was telling was any

547
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:14,760
Speaker 1: sort of Hindu mythology. I thought that I don't even

548
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:16,360
Speaker 1: know what I thought it was Almo. I think I

549
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:18,680
Speaker 1: thought as a kid that she was just kind of

550
00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:21,280
Speaker 1: making the story up as she goes, especially because we

551
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:24,600
Speaker 1: see a scene in the movie at some point where

552
00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:27,680
Speaker 1: she doesn't like the boring story that's being told at

553
00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:32,000
Speaker 1: story time, so she starts to invent an alternate ending

554
00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:36,280
Speaker 1: for like, she basically writes fan fix in her during

555
00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:38,680
Speaker 1: story time. So I just kind of assumed that she

556
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:44,920
Speaker 1: was applying those creative storytelling skills to her telling this story.

557
00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:49,480
Speaker 1: But now I know thanks to Lord Rama and Sita,

558
00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:54,200
Speaker 1: and it's a whole, a whole big thing in Hindu mythology,

559
00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:56,880
Speaker 1: and the way that it's presented. One thing that I

560
00:32:57,120 --> 00:32:59,200
Speaker 1: didn't I know that they can't tell like the whole

561
00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:01,800
Speaker 1: story of it, and they left out like blaring parts.

562
00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:05,080
Speaker 1: So they're banished to a forest, and he has a brother.

563
00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:08,720
Speaker 1: They don't bring up the brother, the brother's acute character. Um,

564
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:12,520
Speaker 1: she gets captured by Ravenna, who is a demon with

565
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:17,720
Speaker 1: many heads. The representation in this fucking movie was like

566
00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:20,440
Speaker 1: an acid trip. Not that I would know what that

567
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:24,720
Speaker 1: is of course not of course not recorded audience. No

568
00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:26,800
Speaker 1: one has ever done drugs, no one, nobody knows what

569
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:30,120
Speaker 1: drugs are, but assuming um, but yeah, it was crazy,

570
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:32,480
Speaker 1: like the representation of the demon was insane, and then

571
00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:34,840
Speaker 1: there was like whole chunks of the middle. The monkey

572
00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:37,480
Speaker 1: god Hanuman is a big part of this story and

573
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:40,280
Speaker 1: wasn't brought into it. So it's basically the kidnapping of

574
00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:43,440
Speaker 1: Sita and the rescue of her that was only represented

575
00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:48,320
Speaker 1: in this which is retelling very much like a fairy tale,

576
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:53,000
Speaker 1: almost Christian did like just gent out of it. It's

577
00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:57,040
Speaker 1: just like a princess gets captured and a prince needs

578
00:33:57,120 --> 00:33:59,400
Speaker 1: to save her from a tower in a castle, like

579
00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:01,800
Speaker 1: that's what. I don't even remember the tower being a thing,

580
00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:03,080
Speaker 1: but I was like when I thought, I was like,

581
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:06,560
Speaker 1: is this reponsible, Like what's happening? It's kind of invoking

582
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:11,040
Speaker 1: like yeah, that's sort of imagery. So yeah, it just

583
00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:13,640
Speaker 1: it seems to me like she's just like doing this

584
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:20,520
Speaker 1: very like American eyes, like bastardized version of this Hindu mythology,

585
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:24,680
Speaker 1: and they whitewashed it even more by having white actors

586
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:28,960
Speaker 1: play the god. Yes, okay, right, so when the movie

587
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:32,759
Speaker 1: cuts away to Rama and Sita playing out the story

588
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:35,520
Speaker 1: that Sarah is telling. The actors who are playing those

589
00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:40,400
Speaker 1: two characters are white. We've got Liam Cunningham, who plays

590
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:44,560
Speaker 1: Sarah's father, who's also playing Rama in like blue face,

591
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:48,680
Speaker 1: but like brown face essentially because it's you know, a

592
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:53,080
Speaker 1: brown it's a brown blue face. Okay, right right, um?

593
00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:56,279
Speaker 1: And then Sita is played by an Australian actor named

594
00:34:56,320 --> 00:35:00,000
Speaker 1: Alison Moyer. Was she like the mom and the photograph?

595
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:03,040
Speaker 1: I think so, yes, I think that's what. So basically

596
00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:05,759
Speaker 1: Sarah's like retelling a story with her parents cast as

597
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:10,880
Speaker 1: like Hindu gods and god, yes and ship Um damn.

598
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:14,759
Speaker 1: That's bold. That is bold. You were also saying that

599
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:18,840
Speaker 1: she butchers a lot of the pronunciations of different like

600
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:23,399
Speaker 1: I can't remember specifics now, but for sure yeah, um,

601
00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:27,520
Speaker 1: which is like, it's understandable white people can't pronounce things.

602
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:31,080
Speaker 1: We know this. I'm sure I've already mispronounced. It's fine,

603
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:36,120
Speaker 1: but everything together was troubled, right, because I mean it's

604
00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:39,920
Speaker 1: essentially again, because there's no nothing is done in the

605
00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:43,440
Speaker 1: movie to explain that the story that she is telling

606
00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:46,920
Speaker 1: actually comes from Hindu mythology and is not just some

607
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:50,319
Speaker 1: like make believe she's Yeah, it's like a white girl

608
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:55,240
Speaker 1: just taking over a whole religion, which is very invoking

609
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:57,480
Speaker 1: of that. Do you remember when that like dad went

610
00:35:57,560 --> 00:35:59,960
Speaker 1: and planted a flag in Africa and declared that land

611
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:03,520
Speaker 1: his daughter's like the American dad. That's what that felt

612
00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:09,280
Speaker 1: like a little bit. It's like my princess owns this now, right, Okay.

613
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:13,480
Speaker 1: So then the other main issue, as far as I

614
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:18,440
Speaker 1: can tell with the movie in this context is the character.

615
00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:23,040
Speaker 1: His name is rom Doss. Is that how you say that? Yeah?

616
00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:27,200
Speaker 1: He is the Indian man who lives next door to

617
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:32,320
Speaker 1: the school where Sarah attends school. He essentially assumes the

618
00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:38,280
Speaker 1: role of a like mystical magical person who's like all seeing,

619
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:42,000
Speaker 1: all know, he seems to have powers, like because like

620
00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:46,120
Speaker 1: white movies, American movies love to poise like a person

621
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:50,839
Speaker 1: who is black or East Asian or South Asian as

622
00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:56,400
Speaker 1: the like magical foreigner trope, and this which movie does it?

623
00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:58,480
Speaker 1: I'm fine with As long as you think we can

624
00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:01,799
Speaker 1: curse you, I don't give a ship. As long as

625
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:04,759
Speaker 1: you think we're more powerful than you, I don't know

626
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:11,239
Speaker 1: the fuck like bow to us or whatever, Right, on. Yeah,

627
00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:13,600
Speaker 1: so he's like he does always show up, and there's

628
00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:16,440
Speaker 1: was I imagining this or like did I is there

629
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:18,319
Speaker 1: like a sound of wind chimes whenever he shows up

630
00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:21,560
Speaker 1: or something like that. There's like a specific music cue

631
00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:28,960
Speaker 1: very Indian. Yes, it's almost like, yeah, he does his powers,

632
00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:31,239
Speaker 1: which is like anytime you look at him and he's

633
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:34,440
Speaker 1: just like right because here are a few of the

634
00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:38,879
Speaker 1: things that happened as it relates to his magical mysticism.

635
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:43,239
Speaker 1: He somehow always knows what's going on with Sarah. He

636
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:46,160
Speaker 1: happens to be on the boat that Sarah and her

637
00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:49,200
Speaker 1: father are on when they're traveling from India to the US.

638
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:53,280
Speaker 1: He just happens to live next door at the school.

639
00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:56,279
Speaker 1: It's suggested that he is the one who brings them

640
00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:59,080
Speaker 1: like this big feast. He decorates there. He basically the

641
00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:03,160
Speaker 1: girl eyes Yeah, their room, you know he does. He

642
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:06,719
Speaker 1: gives them new clothes, he gives them food, he does

643
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:11,040
Speaker 1: the whole Bobby decoration thing. It was it was Sarah

644
00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:13,680
Speaker 1: and her friend and it was yeah, they like walking

645
00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:15,719
Speaker 1: in the room, They're like, oh my god. They wake

646
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:19,600
Speaker 1: up like in the like very ornate bed. So it's like,

647
00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:22,040
Speaker 1: how did he do all this stuff without waking them up.

648
00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:24,399
Speaker 1: He like did this overnight. So it's like this. I've

649
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:29,680
Speaker 1: always argued that Santa Claus is Indian. We're very hospitable

650
00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:31,600
Speaker 1: and we'll come to your house and give you sweets.

651
00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:35,680
Speaker 1: I mean, the things that he does in the movie,

652
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:40,759
Speaker 1: you know, are very kind and generous gestures. But I

653
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:44,719
Speaker 1: think that some people might find this trope problematic. Sure,

654
00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:48,520
Speaker 1: I know it is. I just like exercising power over

655
00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:52,839
Speaker 1: white people, that is important, but yeah, it's not It's

656
00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:58,879
Speaker 1: not good to dehumanize other ethnicity. Yeah, it also justifies

657
00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:02,120
Speaker 1: trying to colonize them, right, It's like you're trying to

658
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:06,000
Speaker 1: harness their power. It's like the fucking Wakonda thing. Why

659
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:07,799
Speaker 1: everybody's trying to go there, you know what I mean,

660
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:10,880
Speaker 1: Like they're like they have something, we want it. So

661
00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:13,680
Speaker 1: that's I don't know that character was played by a

662
00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:17,799
Speaker 1: brown man, right, Yes, so at least they didn't whitewash

663
00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:23,760
Speaker 1: every Indian character in the movie. And then the really

664
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:27,680
Speaker 1: wild thing is that there's like this weird like dais

665
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:30,600
Speaker 1: x mockin a thing that he does in the movie

666
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:35,160
Speaker 1: where it's the climactic scene her father still doesn't have

667
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:40,160
Speaker 1: his memory, and then ram Das just looks at him

668
00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:45,520
Speaker 1: but really hard him, super hard, very determined, and then

669
00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:51,040
Speaker 1: that's somehow, with his magical energy, he is able to

670
00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:54,120
Speaker 1: restore the memory of Sarah's father, and then that's what

671
00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:59,880
Speaker 1: effectively resolves the whole story. It's just really playing in

672
00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:04,160
Speaker 1: the trope of like Indian doctors. That's you're playing into

673
00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:07,560
Speaker 1: that trope to not every Indian is going to heal

674
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:14,200
Speaker 1: your memory people, right, Like Indian people do other things

675
00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:16,960
Speaker 1: to be magic and be doctors. Also, like we have

676
00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:19,360
Speaker 1: to study hard to be doctors. Okay, we don't just

677
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:23,040
Speaker 1: stare at people. Probably not as hard as everyone. But

678
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:29,480
Speaker 1: I'm kidding, I'm kidding. So that, yeah, that's not great.

679
00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:32,480
Speaker 1: And then we also see him in like several different

680
00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:34,800
Speaker 1: scenes over the course of what we can assume is

681
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:38,360
Speaker 1: many different months the movie takes. But but he's always

682
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:43,400
Speaker 1: wearing the same exact outfit. I think, so I remember

683
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:46,680
Speaker 1: there being so we talked about orange and green. He

684
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:49,920
Speaker 1: wears orange and green a lot too. He's wearing I

685
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:55,280
Speaker 1: think mostly gold or like, yeah, but if memory serves,

686
00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:59,160
Speaker 1: he's either wearing the same thing or nearly the same

687
00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:02,000
Speaker 1: exact thing in every as if he only has the

688
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:08,120
Speaker 1: one outfit. Yeah, so's ever been to a fucking Indian wedding,

689
00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:12,200
Speaker 1: You know that's not true. We do changes during the

690
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:15,600
Speaker 1: wedding ceremony in South India, so like literally the bride

691
00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:18,600
Speaker 1: changes her Sorry, So I just feel like that doesn't

692
00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:24,239
Speaker 1: do our culture, just mis representation. There's another kind of

693
00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:29,520
Speaker 1: bizarre thing that happens where Sarah puts a curse on

694
00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:33,920
Speaker 1: another classmate of hers. She like kind of speaks in

695
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:37,480
Speaker 1: a language that I certainly didn't recognize. You said that

696
00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:41,080
Speaker 1: you didn't recognize it. It might just be that she's

697
00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:44,000
Speaker 1: kind of speaking in tongues and then she's like, oh,

698
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:47,080
Speaker 1: that was just a curse from a witch that I

699
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:50,839
Speaker 1: learned in India. It will probably make your hair found out.

700
00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:55,880
Speaker 1: So it's just like adding another layer of like showing

701
00:41:56,160 --> 00:42:01,000
Speaker 1: Indian culture is being like this mystical foreign and potentially

702
00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:05,000
Speaker 1: like almost like a scary thing that is like unfamiliar

703
00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:08,239
Speaker 1: and strange to white people, but that white people can

704
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:13,960
Speaker 1: use at will, that can appropriate like yoga, They've taken

705
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:20,920
Speaker 1: our powers from us yoga Kama Sutra. Yeah, people love

706
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:26,160
Speaker 1: to steal stuff from other cultures. So those were the

707
00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:28,520
Speaker 1: main things that struck me in the movie. Was there

708
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:33,440
Speaker 1: anything else that you wanted to touch on? I think

709
00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:35,560
Speaker 1: one thing that I we were talked about last time

710
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:38,879
Speaker 1: was that the only representation we had at that point

711
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:42,960
Speaker 1: was like a poo and then like this, and then

712
00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:45,120
Speaker 1: people would confuse the Indian in the cabinet and it

713
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:46,600
Speaker 1: just like make a joke and I'm like, that's a

714
00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:51,279
Speaker 1: different thing. But okay, um, so there wasn't much, so

715
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:55,000
Speaker 1: it it is interesting that they took this like mysticism

716
00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:59,040
Speaker 1: route as opposed to like the poverty route that usually

717
00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:02,640
Speaker 1: people take. I honestly don't really remember this movie from

718
00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:05,440
Speaker 1: my childhood, so I don't remember anybody like making fun

719
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:07,600
Speaker 1: of me with it or whatever. Like I feel, I

720
00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:10,239
Speaker 1: feel like this movie was definitely for white people, like

721
00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:15,319
Speaker 1: a thousand percent, whereas I think like APU, like there's

722
00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:17,960
Speaker 1: so much, so much issue with it that people have now,

723
00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:21,600
Speaker 1: but like it definitely penetrated Indian American culture or like

724
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:24,400
Speaker 1: South Asian American culture, like it was like in our lives.

725
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:28,160
Speaker 1: But this movie, I like don't really remember it affecting me.

726
00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:30,560
Speaker 1: Watching this movie, I was like, it would be so

727
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:33,960
Speaker 1: dope if Hindu mythology there was like a different take

728
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:35,960
Speaker 1: on it that was like more American but still like

729
00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:38,080
Speaker 1: true to it because like watching it, I was like,

730
00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:41,920
Speaker 1: the coolest parts was the story, like you know what

731
00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:45,080
Speaker 1: I mean, like the Ramayana parts. But like I was thinking,

732
00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:46,520
Speaker 1: like it would be cool if there was something like

733
00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:49,320
Speaker 1: a you know, Romeo cross Juliette, or it was like

734
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:53,240
Speaker 1: Leontero DiCaprio, like something like more modernized and like weird

735
00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:55,520
Speaker 1: and fun. I would love to watch that, but like

736
00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:58,080
Speaker 1: for Hindu mytholog But then also so whenever it cuts

737
00:43:58,239 --> 00:44:04,720
Speaker 1: to the Rama and Sita story, all the set designstra campy.

738
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:07,960
Speaker 1: So oh that is camp. Oh, now I know what campus.

739
00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:13,280
Speaker 1: Everybody was arguing about what camp was for the met Gala,

740
00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:15,800
Speaker 1: and it turns out it's just those scenes from the

741
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:19,680
Speaker 1: Little Prints exactly. Amazing. Yeah, the colors are just like

742
00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:23,680
Speaker 1: really weirdly like saturated and just like everything's like plastic

743
00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:26,480
Speaker 1: and it's just like, yeah, they definitely made it look

744
00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:32,239
Speaker 1: very fake, which was disrespectful. Yeah, it would be cool

745
00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:35,080
Speaker 1: to see like a because all of those mythologies, like

746
00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:37,480
Speaker 1: they're told over and over again in India in like

747
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:40,919
Speaker 1: these different like cereals and like these movies and TV

748
00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:42,759
Speaker 1: shows and stuff. But it would be cool to see

749
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:45,480
Speaker 1: like an American do it, like an Indian American or

750
00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:48,400
Speaker 1: Hindu American, like whatever do it. But with the technology

751
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:51,200
Speaker 1: we have now and with like more like mad that

752
00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:53,600
Speaker 1: would be kind of cool. For sure. Someone pay me

753
00:44:57,600 --> 00:45:01,239
Speaker 1: all of your money. Thank you. That's anyways, that's a

754
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:03,520
Speaker 1: thought that I had. But no, that's great. This has

755
00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:06,080
Speaker 1: been great. Thank you for this perspective. Is so helpful,

756
00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:10,719
Speaker 1: So we really appreciate you taking the time twice. The

757
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:15,919
Speaker 1: next time it'll be even better like this. Thanks again

758
00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:20,040
Speaker 1: so much, thank for your very helpful perspective. And uh,

759
00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:24,479
Speaker 1: back to the episode. We gotta take a quick break,

760
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:34,680
Speaker 1: but we will come right back. Wo. She formative and

761
00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:38,160
Speaker 1: helpful in placing my feelings on where things happen and

762
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:40,520
Speaker 1: why they happen. And I feel like what kind of

763
00:45:41,080 --> 00:45:43,760
Speaker 1: that conversation reveals to it? Really we could have added

764
00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:46,800
Speaker 1: like a few moments here and there of dialogue, like

765
00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:49,720
Speaker 1: when they first meet, Like what if he introduced himself

766
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:53,000
Speaker 1: and was like, hey, how you do it? Like she

767
00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:55,080
Speaker 1: could have like maybe said like I miss India and

768
00:45:55,080 --> 00:45:56,719
Speaker 1: they could have maybe talked about a place that for

769
00:45:56,840 --> 00:45:59,279
Speaker 1: them was both home, you know, and that might have

770
00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:01,440
Speaker 1: given like some levity, and we didn't need, like, you know,

771
00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:04,840
Speaker 1: twenty minutes of that. We need like to like some

772
00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:08,040
Speaker 1: vaguely defined friendship between them, Like I think that would

773
00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:11,480
Speaker 1: have served the story too, instead of him just appearing.

774
00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:15,200
Speaker 1: There's a lot of characters in this movie that I'm like,

775
00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:17,880
Speaker 1: we just don't know enough about them. I would include

776
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:20,880
Speaker 1: Becky and that we don't really know what her background is,

777
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:24,280
Speaker 1: and there were a few opportunities to provide that context

778
00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:27,160
Speaker 1: that just doesn't. I was so frustrated in the scene

779
00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:29,880
Speaker 1: where they're on the you know, they're talking through like

780
00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:33,480
Speaker 1: the wall in the attic and they're talking about how

781
00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:36,960
Speaker 1: um Sarah mrs India, Like this would be a great

782
00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:40,920
Speaker 1: time for Sarah to ask Becky, like what is your background?

783
00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:45,600
Speaker 1: She does not do that, and we never we like

784
00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:50,880
Speaker 1: we're given very little information about Becky's background, which and

785
00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:55,759
Speaker 1: I mean even less for the Indian man and and

786
00:46:56,040 --> 00:46:59,120
Speaker 1: and also mis mentioned, like we don't really know like

787
00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:01,520
Speaker 1: who what have pened? Why is she? I don't know

788
00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:03,160
Speaker 1: if I want to know any more about mis mentioned.

789
00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:04,759
Speaker 1: I'd been going really I've been going back forth about

790
00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:06,719
Speaker 1: it a lot because on the one hand, and like, well,

791
00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:08,520
Speaker 1: maybe there was like a thing with Sarah's mother because

792
00:47:08,560 --> 00:47:10,160
Speaker 1: we know Sarah's mother went there. Maybe that's like she

793
00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:12,919
Speaker 1: has like this ingrained like And on the other hand,

794
00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:16,200
Speaker 1: like this movie is doing something that I wish more

795
00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:19,160
Speaker 1: movies would do, which is tell me less. There's something

796
00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:21,480
Speaker 1: great about being able to fill gaps in a movie.

797
00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:24,120
Speaker 1: It doesn't quite work for TV shows and were eight

798
00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:27,600
Speaker 1: hours of content there, But when we have like ninety

799
00:47:27,719 --> 00:47:30,920
Speaker 1: tight minutes and you're just exploring people being themselves in

800
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:34,360
Speaker 1: these moments, it's it's really intriguing to start wondering about it,

801
00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:37,160
Speaker 1: Like because that dad line really triggered her, Like that

802
00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:40,040
Speaker 1: actor got to make such great choices based entirely on

803
00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:42,400
Speaker 1: just where she wanted to take that character. She's like

804
00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:45,520
Speaker 1: she was in the Beatles. Help people think that maybe

805
00:47:45,560 --> 00:47:48,080
Speaker 1: eleanor Rigby was named after her. I couldn't find any

806
00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:50,800
Speaker 1: backup information on that. Paul McCartney did an interview with

807
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:53,400
Speaker 1: g Q I think maybe last year where he explains

808
00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:55,960
Speaker 1: like where these songs came from. He describes eleanor Rigby

809
00:47:56,040 --> 00:47:59,480
Speaker 1: as a song about World War Two widows that he

810
00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:02,200
Speaker 1: like grew up with in the projects in London, and

811
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:04,200
Speaker 1: it's a song dedicated to them and how their lives

812
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:07,160
Speaker 1: never quite got right. But her name is Eleanor she

813
00:48:07,239 --> 00:48:09,560
Speaker 1: was in help maybe. But she also has like all

814
00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:11,480
Speaker 1: these cool, like weird roles. She plays a lot of

815
00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:13,800
Speaker 1: like witches and weird old people, and I think to

816
00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:16,840
Speaker 1: get such a she's so cool and she's alive, and

817
00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:18,680
Speaker 1: now I'm like trying to check her down and try

818
00:48:18,680 --> 00:48:22,520
Speaker 1: into a series on like aging Hollywood people. If you're

819
00:48:22,520 --> 00:48:24,360
Speaker 1: an outlet who wants that, DM me let me know.

820
00:48:25,080 --> 00:48:27,839
Speaker 1: Alice are like, well our readers like this, I'm like, yes,

821
00:48:28,160 --> 00:48:31,160
Speaker 1: like what happened to years old? Like Dori's day just

822
00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:33,680
Speaker 1: died and nobody got her final statements on how she

823
00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:37,040
Speaker 1: felt about her life. It's really annoying. I digress. Um,

824
00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:38,920
Speaker 1: she's really cool if you know her, like tell her

825
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:42,080
Speaker 1: people love her still, but like to do such cool

826
00:48:42,200 --> 00:48:44,920
Speaker 1: things like women who especially at a time where your

827
00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:48,560
Speaker 1: option was getting married, or live a life of some

828
00:48:48,680 --> 00:48:50,839
Speaker 1: kind of servitude, for her to live alone, for her

829
00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:53,680
Speaker 1: to clearly not like that path she did some great

830
00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:56,279
Speaker 1: things with She's British, but there are moments where you

831
00:48:56,400 --> 00:48:58,960
Speaker 1: get like this New York accent that's very much like

832
00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:02,480
Speaker 1: a street New York like Brooklyn sounding. It comes out

833
00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:04,880
Speaker 1: particuly when she's Sometimes Sarah is so eloquently said, but

834
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:08,520
Speaker 1: sometimes it's like Sarah with a hard eat. Yeah, like

835
00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:11,560
Speaker 1: almost like a Southern like it's it's I really feel

836
00:49:11,560 --> 00:49:13,640
Speaker 1: like the actress is just making really strong choices to

837
00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:16,000
Speaker 1: be like, listen, this is a woman who rose up

838
00:49:16,080 --> 00:49:18,680
Speaker 1: a bit. I think she doing the math. It seems

839
00:49:18,719 --> 00:49:21,160
Speaker 1: like she must have inherited the school from like a

840
00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:25,560
Speaker 1: mother figure, because the school is called Mismntioneds like seminary

841
00:49:25,600 --> 00:49:28,560
Speaker 1: for girls, but it was established in like the eighteen fifties.

842
00:49:30,840 --> 00:49:34,840
Speaker 1: Or maybe she's two hundred years old and has found

843
00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:39,640
Speaker 1: the fountain of you. She's a day walker. I love it, um,

844
00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:41,760
Speaker 1: But yeah, you don't get to see characters like either

845
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:44,640
Speaker 1: of the meet Ums, especially in kids movies. They're either

846
00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:48,480
Speaker 1: totally awful or incredibly sweet. And to see an adult

847
00:49:48,520 --> 00:49:49,800
Speaker 1: who has an issue with the kids. I don't know

848
00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:51,360
Speaker 1: if you guys hang out any kids in my roommate.

849
00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:53,880
Speaker 1: My other roommate is a school teacher and she's like

850
00:49:54,200 --> 00:49:57,680
Speaker 1: somebod these kids are just bitches. She works in Beverly Hills,

851
00:49:57,680 --> 00:49:59,320
Speaker 1: so I don't know how much money has like the

852
00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:04,279
Speaker 1: financial train on things. But it's certainly your personality is there,

853
00:50:04,360 --> 00:50:07,160
Speaker 1: and sometimes you just don't like a child. How does

854
00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:09,080
Speaker 1: that manifest and how does that child deal with that?

855
00:50:09,120 --> 00:50:12,680
Speaker 1: Because she sar didn't do anything. I think Metam has

856
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:15,320
Speaker 1: very valid reasons for being like, this girl is foolish

857
00:50:15,360 --> 00:50:17,880
Speaker 1: and she's gonna get steamrolled by life, and I'm going

858
00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:20,080
Speaker 1: to be the hard person who's in her face telling

859
00:50:20,120 --> 00:50:22,560
Speaker 1: her like it really imagines she can grow up. I

860
00:50:22,640 --> 00:50:25,160
Speaker 1: get used to it. But she also so limiting, so

861
00:50:25,320 --> 00:50:29,520
Speaker 1: refined even in herself. That floating down the stairs, Oh

862
00:50:29,600 --> 00:50:35,920
Speaker 1: my god, it's it's so creepy movies, especially older women,

863
00:50:36,040 --> 00:50:38,000
Speaker 1: Like I don't think I've ever seen House on Haunted

864
00:50:38,080 --> 00:50:41,080
Speaker 1: Hill was super movie for your show because it was

865
00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:44,960
Speaker 1: written by lesbian, But it is like any floating lady

866
00:50:45,080 --> 00:50:48,560
Speaker 1: just really creeps me out. And she just glad do

867
00:50:48,760 --> 00:50:52,600
Speaker 1: this like weird daddy thing and then her like her

868
00:50:53,239 --> 00:50:56,759
Speaker 1: frame is just like still floating, and I'm like, how

869
00:50:57,200 --> 00:51:00,880
Speaker 1: she looks like she's Dolly tracking herself, Like how is

870
00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:03,920
Speaker 1: that humanly possible? It was? That was like one of

871
00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:06,440
Speaker 1: the only things I remembered about the movie at all,

872
00:51:07,080 --> 00:51:11,600
Speaker 1: was that very memorable, so freaky. It says a lot

873
00:51:11,680 --> 00:51:15,160
Speaker 1: about her. She's clearly trained to be among high society,

874
00:51:15,200 --> 00:51:17,440
Speaker 1: and I think she's dealing with if you look at

875
00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:19,680
Speaker 1: the kids who she picks on. I think she's picking

876
00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:22,160
Speaker 1: on kids who remind her somewhat of herself, of something

877
00:51:22,200 --> 00:51:25,200
Speaker 1: that she shut down because the other girl Ermine Guard,

878
00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:30,240
Speaker 1: damn name she used the Bumblebee girl and that nineties

879
00:51:30,320 --> 00:51:37,320
Speaker 1: music video. Yes, yes, she's so. That's the same actress

880
00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:40,239
Speaker 1: who also did a really lovely job. She comes from.

881
00:51:40,719 --> 00:51:43,560
Speaker 1: I'm guessing like an Irish cop father who rose through

882
00:51:43,600 --> 00:51:45,239
Speaker 1: the ranks. Again, I have a lot of headcannon on

883
00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:49,000
Speaker 1: these characters. I love Erman Guards. She's so sweet, she's adorable,

884
00:51:49,040 --> 00:51:51,160
Speaker 1: but mentioned picks on her a lot in class for

885
00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:54,160
Speaker 1: not being able to do math, and she's like frustrated,

886
00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:56,399
Speaker 1: and I think anything that reminds her of like low

887
00:51:56,600 --> 00:51:59,799
Speaker 1: class or head in the clouds, she just cannot sad

888
00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:02,800
Speaker 1: king at that part of herself or just like excessive naive,

889
00:52:03,080 --> 00:52:06,000
Speaker 1: like naivete and kids seems to really bother her because

890
00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:08,840
Speaker 1: like Sarah is very naive when she gets there and

891
00:52:08,920 --> 00:52:11,320
Speaker 1: then it's like la la la, here's my story. And

892
00:52:11,560 --> 00:52:13,399
Speaker 1: she doesn't like that I feel like Ermine Garde sort

893
00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:16,319
Speaker 1: of falls into that category as well, where she's yeah,

894
00:52:16,360 --> 00:52:20,640
Speaker 1: she's like floatier and spacier and like mis mentioned, she's

895
00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:23,480
Speaker 1: a realist. She's like, the world is gonna hurt you,

896
00:52:23,640 --> 00:52:28,320
Speaker 1: and if it doesn't hurt you. I love that scene

897
00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:31,600
Speaker 1: with when erman gard goes to the attic and it's

898
00:52:31,640 --> 00:52:34,080
Speaker 1: like she's very upset and she's just like, wait, do

899
00:52:34,200 --> 00:52:35,920
Speaker 1: you want to be a way for it anymore? Like

900
00:52:36,200 --> 00:52:38,160
Speaker 1: I was like, oh God, I had that interaction so

901
00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:40,200
Speaker 1: much when I was like it save you're a girl,

902
00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:42,080
Speaker 1: you've ever bared your soul to another girl in a

903
00:52:42,200 --> 00:52:44,720
Speaker 1: very platonic way of like why are we not friends?

904
00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:48,520
Speaker 1: I'm trying to understand. It gets you. I really loved

905
00:52:48,640 --> 00:52:50,920
Speaker 1: that scene. And then they have and then like Sarah

906
00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:53,440
Speaker 1: and Becky have the knocking system, and I was like, oh,

907
00:52:53,600 --> 00:52:57,040
Speaker 1: this is like a little girl like paradise of like

908
00:52:57,200 --> 00:53:01,839
Speaker 1: secret coat bearing your soul the slumber parties where she's

909
00:53:01,880 --> 00:53:06,440
Speaker 1: just telling her very factually and accurate and probably racist story,

910
00:53:06,600 --> 00:53:09,439
Speaker 1: but the fact that they're like all like buried under

911
00:53:09,480 --> 00:53:12,640
Speaker 1: the covers and like listening and very intrigued, and it's

912
00:53:12,719 --> 00:53:16,800
Speaker 1: like there's there's a power in girl groups that and

913
00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:19,359
Speaker 1: especially I think if you're isolated the way they are,

914
00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:23,160
Speaker 1: they don't have any agency over there, like daily activities,

915
00:53:23,400 --> 00:53:25,319
Speaker 1: and so they're sort of very much bound to each

916
00:53:25,360 --> 00:53:29,640
Speaker 1: other um in the system. And it's still it's weird

917
00:53:29,680 --> 00:53:31,400
Speaker 1: to me that we don't have more stories about this

918
00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:34,280
Speaker 1: because it's such a defining point for like every woman.

919
00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:37,200
Speaker 1: You would think that there would be I mean, I

920
00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:39,200
Speaker 1: want to see more stories. I would buy tickets to

921
00:53:39,239 --> 00:53:41,680
Speaker 1: see more stories like this. I mean, there's so few.

922
00:53:41,880 --> 00:53:44,839
Speaker 1: It's it's wild how few there are. And like the Sister,

923
00:53:45,200 --> 00:53:48,360
Speaker 1: like the whole school kind of has this like subtle

924
00:53:48,520 --> 00:53:51,680
Speaker 1: ish arc where at the beginning you have lotty like

925
00:53:52,080 --> 00:53:53,960
Speaker 1: not questioning anything and just being like, oh, well this

926
00:53:54,080 --> 00:53:56,279
Speaker 1: is the way things are, of course. And and then

927
00:53:56,640 --> 00:53:59,680
Speaker 1: they also have like the girls in the school, even

928
00:53:59,719 --> 00:54:01,799
Speaker 1: the ones don't know as well. By the end, they're

929
00:54:01,800 --> 00:54:04,880
Speaker 1: all like down to do this like locket operation, and

930
00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:07,799
Speaker 1: they've made the decision that they're going to support each

931
00:54:07,840 --> 00:54:12,400
Speaker 1: other and not just like I'm getting there's like an

932
00:54:12,440 --> 00:54:16,800
Speaker 1: Ocean's eight sequence where they like the hell out of

933
00:54:16,880 --> 00:54:21,200
Speaker 1: this locket. Yeah, they get the locket back and oh

934
00:54:21,320 --> 00:54:24,239
Speaker 1: it's so and then like Becky gets like her big

935
00:54:24,360 --> 00:54:28,120
Speaker 1: moment where she makes a noise in front of people

936
00:54:29,440 --> 00:54:34,640
Speaker 1: that look like I thought it's a mouse. They just

937
00:54:34,760 --> 00:54:37,120
Speaker 1: mentioned it hits the door and east Ship, and we're like, yeah,

938
00:54:37,360 --> 00:54:44,279
Speaker 1: that's great. It's just so perfect. It's so sweet and

939
00:54:44,440 --> 00:54:48,080
Speaker 1: charming and Becky's journey. As much as I think that

940
00:54:48,120 --> 00:54:50,200
Speaker 1: she could have been a more central figure, what we

941
00:54:50,280 --> 00:54:53,040
Speaker 1: do get out of her it's so like great, Like

942
00:54:53,160 --> 00:54:56,400
Speaker 1: there's if you're black, you care about your hairline and

943
00:54:56,560 --> 00:54:59,800
Speaker 1: how kids are represented in films is really important to me.

944
00:55:00,520 --> 00:55:02,200
Speaker 1: And it was frustrating at first to be like, man,

945
00:55:02,239 --> 00:55:06,080
Speaker 1: this girl's hair is so messy. That's so frustrated by it.

946
00:55:06,480 --> 00:55:08,520
Speaker 1: But the more I watched the film and and again

947
00:55:08,560 --> 00:55:10,440
Speaker 1: watch the art that all of these girls get, it's

948
00:55:10,520 --> 00:55:13,319
Speaker 1: like she didn't have anybody who cares for her right,

949
00:55:13,400 --> 00:55:16,840
Speaker 1: Like she's clearly somewhat depressed, and how could you not

950
00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:19,080
Speaker 1: be being surrounded by girls your age and not being

951
00:55:19,080 --> 00:55:21,880
Speaker 1: allowed to have any kind of interaction with them that

952
00:55:22,320 --> 00:55:24,640
Speaker 1: even this girl just looking at her is like wow,

953
00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:27,319
Speaker 1: And you get like even the reversal of the moment

954
00:55:27,400 --> 00:55:29,480
Speaker 1: when Sarah kind of storms in on Becky to be

955
00:55:29,600 --> 00:55:32,560
Speaker 1: like Sarah in her again very naive mine. It's like

956
00:55:32,760 --> 00:55:34,680
Speaker 1: I don't, like, just go make friends, and Becky like,

957
00:55:34,760 --> 00:55:37,520
Speaker 1: who the hell are you doing? Like you cannot be

958
00:55:37,640 --> 00:55:39,320
Speaker 1: in my room and we are both gonna get in

959
00:55:39,440 --> 00:55:42,480
Speaker 1: so much trouble. Please leave. Um. She stands up for

960
00:55:42,560 --> 00:55:44,400
Speaker 1: herself that a way I think when you get it,

961
00:55:44,760 --> 00:55:46,800
Speaker 1: here's what if you get a token black character. So

962
00:55:46,960 --> 00:55:50,080
Speaker 1: often they are just treated very much like side characters.

963
00:55:50,440 --> 00:55:52,640
Speaker 1: And for Becky to get not just a name, not

964
00:55:52,840 --> 00:55:55,160
Speaker 1: just a role, but like to be taken with her

965
00:55:55,200 --> 00:55:57,680
Speaker 1: at the end, and her dress looks so good and

966
00:55:57,760 --> 00:56:01,520
Speaker 1: her hair it's so perfect, and she's like they're very

967
00:56:01,560 --> 00:56:04,760
Speaker 1: much treated as equals, like even though it's like magical

968
00:56:04,800 --> 00:56:08,000
Speaker 1: and stilly, how they get that breakfast, like they both

969
00:56:08,040 --> 00:56:10,640
Speaker 1: get the same shoes, which I like, always live and

970
00:56:10,680 --> 00:56:13,359
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff like I have, like Susie Carmichael

971
00:56:13,840 --> 00:56:17,239
Speaker 1: Becky in this movie. Yeah, as as far as like

972
00:56:17,320 --> 00:56:20,640
Speaker 1: talking with my white peers about like black representation under

973
00:56:20,680 --> 00:56:22,880
Speaker 1: the age of twelve, this is little were kind of

974
00:56:23,040 --> 00:56:25,279
Speaker 1: it as who they knew and so to see like

975
00:56:25,360 --> 00:56:28,000
Speaker 1: both of those characters sort of rise and be powerful

976
00:56:28,080 --> 00:56:30,719
Speaker 1: in their own rights. And like Becky literally finds her

977
00:56:30,760 --> 00:56:33,160
Speaker 1: voice by screaming, and you know it's to help these

978
00:56:33,200 --> 00:56:35,520
Speaker 1: other chump white girls. You didn't really get her a lot,

979
00:56:35,680 --> 00:56:38,279
Speaker 1: but do you know a lot of else to work with? Um?

980
00:56:38,640 --> 00:56:41,800
Speaker 1: And I man, I like it still, even though it's problematic,

981
00:56:41,840 --> 00:56:44,200
Speaker 1: even though it's very much a signal of how desperate

982
00:56:44,239 --> 00:56:47,560
Speaker 1: I was for representation and any of the things I

983
00:56:47,680 --> 00:56:51,320
Speaker 1: was watching. So you don't get black girls in period pieces.

984
00:56:51,480 --> 00:56:54,360
Speaker 1: I'm obsessed with period pieces. I'm obsessed with fantasy. And

985
00:56:54,480 --> 00:56:57,279
Speaker 1: so this's like Becky always has like a special place

986
00:56:57,360 --> 00:57:01,120
Speaker 1: in my heart. She's awesome. That's that I do like.

987
00:57:01,200 --> 00:57:04,040
Speaker 1: I love Sarah and Becky's scenes together are very sweet

988
00:57:04,120 --> 00:57:07,719
Speaker 1: and very just like it's so nice. Yeah, I have

989
00:57:07,800 --> 00:57:10,400
Speaker 1: a question, Yeah, um, do you think this is a

990
00:57:10,480 --> 00:57:15,600
Speaker 1: white savior story? Oh? I mean yeah, if you're just looking,

991
00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:19,840
Speaker 1: Becky isn't given enough to do to really save herself,

992
00:57:19,920 --> 00:57:23,640
Speaker 1: and she doesn't really seem to ever desire more. We again,

993
00:57:23,760 --> 00:57:25,440
Speaker 1: like you guys said, we don't really know much about

994
00:57:25,520 --> 00:57:29,400
Speaker 1: her life outside of this situation. There's not even a

995
00:57:29,440 --> 00:57:31,400
Speaker 1: lot of like poor shadow. I mean that would require

996
00:57:31,440 --> 00:57:33,360
Speaker 1: a lot for an actress too of that age to

997
00:57:34,400 --> 00:57:37,080
Speaker 1: be more about her outside of what's in the text.

998
00:57:37,640 --> 00:57:40,760
Speaker 1: So yeah, it is a white savior story. I like it.

999
00:57:41,960 --> 00:57:45,160
Speaker 1: Damn it. This is so hard. I always really analyzing

1000
00:57:45,200 --> 00:57:48,080
Speaker 1: this movie is much more difficult than just sitting back

1001
00:57:48,120 --> 00:57:52,080
Speaker 1: and enjoying it. Like, no, it's just whimsical and like

1002
00:57:52,200 --> 00:57:53,920
Speaker 1: the guy who had Children of the Men with the

1003
00:57:54,000 --> 00:57:57,440
Speaker 1: snow scene and it doesn't cry, it's so pretty um

1004
00:57:57,680 --> 00:57:59,880
Speaker 1: what we think about a context, you're like, dang ish,

1005
00:58:00,120 --> 00:58:02,480
Speaker 1: use I don't, I mean, And a lot of those

1006
00:58:02,520 --> 00:58:04,960
Speaker 1: problems seem to be it's like a lot of it.

1007
00:58:05,040 --> 00:58:06,840
Speaker 1: I want to blame a lot of it on Francis

1008
00:58:06,880 --> 00:58:09,720
Speaker 1: Hodgson Burnett because that's like so built into the story

1009
00:58:09,880 --> 00:58:12,800
Speaker 1: and she has such a bad track record with like

1010
00:58:12,960 --> 00:58:17,600
Speaker 1: writing non white characters at all. But with with adaptations,

1011
00:58:17,680 --> 00:58:19,680
Speaker 1: it's like there was room in this movie for their

1012
00:58:19,800 --> 00:58:22,360
Speaker 1: for us to know more about Becky. They're just was

1013
00:58:22,760 --> 00:58:26,480
Speaker 1: This is Alphonso Crels first studio film in America, so

1014
00:58:26,560 --> 00:58:31,400
Speaker 1: we have two Mexican tours essentially in Lebitsky and Craylon

1015
00:58:31,560 --> 00:58:34,920
Speaker 1: coming up to do their first big Precious also Emmanuel's

1016
00:58:34,960 --> 00:58:37,840
Speaker 1: first big studio film, so I know that they they

1017
00:58:37,880 --> 00:58:40,560
Speaker 1: were kind of felt free in in the visual representation

1018
00:58:40,600 --> 00:58:42,760
Speaker 1: because that's why they got hired. But outside of that,

1019
00:58:42,800 --> 00:58:44,840
Speaker 1: I'm not sure like how much agency they felt they

1020
00:58:44,880 --> 00:58:49,720
Speaker 1: had to imbue dark skinned characters with storylines. And to

1021
00:58:49,800 --> 00:58:52,440
Speaker 1: be fair, that never seems to be Alfonso's sort of

1022
00:58:52,560 --> 00:58:56,960
Speaker 1: bad either. I don't think he really cares about I mean,

1023
00:58:56,960 --> 00:59:00,520
Speaker 1: he's out there darkning Harry Potter movies. Yeah, oh yeah,

1024
00:59:00,520 --> 00:59:04,160
Speaker 1: and we just did a Roma, which is great but

1025
00:59:04,240 --> 00:59:07,200
Speaker 1: also has a lot of colorism issues if you want

1026
00:59:07,240 --> 00:59:11,400
Speaker 1: to talk to indigenous Latino X women about that. So yeah,

1027
00:59:11,760 --> 00:59:14,120
Speaker 1: it definitely I think if it were made today, we

1028
00:59:14,160 --> 00:59:17,200
Speaker 1: would demand much more out of it as a film. Yeah,

1029
00:59:17,840 --> 00:59:21,920
Speaker 1: did you know that this movie failed spectacularly at the

1030
00:59:21,960 --> 00:59:25,560
Speaker 1: box off didn't yet had a seventeen million dollar budget,

1031
00:59:25,600 --> 00:59:28,240
Speaker 1: only made ten million dollars? What were we doing in?

1032
00:59:29,400 --> 00:59:31,960
Speaker 1: I know, it's like it's I feel like, for the

1033
00:59:32,320 --> 00:59:34,320
Speaker 1: like year it came out, this is you're not going

1034
00:59:34,360 --> 00:59:37,600
Speaker 1: to get much better. To be fair, though, I my

1035
00:59:37,680 --> 00:59:39,600
Speaker 1: parents were big movie buffs, were at the movie theater

1036
00:59:39,640 --> 00:59:42,160
Speaker 1: a lot. I did not see this until home VHS,

1037
00:59:42,320 --> 00:59:44,960
Speaker 1: saying so, yeah, we might have been part of them.

1038
00:59:45,560 --> 00:59:47,479
Speaker 1: I'm sure my dad was like, first, I'm not sitting

1039
00:59:47,560 --> 00:59:51,960
Speaker 1: through any princesses movies and go yourselves. And then I

1040
00:59:52,080 --> 00:59:53,360
Speaker 1: have no idea what my mom was doing. This is

1041
00:59:53,480 --> 00:59:56,960
Speaker 1: totally a per alley. That's interesting. Was it a Christmas release?

1042
00:59:57,560 --> 01:00:00,560
Speaker 1: Do you remember the release date? Really? It was released

1043
01:00:00,600 --> 01:00:03,320
Speaker 1: in May? It was really what that's the problem. Okay,

1044
01:00:03,360 --> 01:00:04,919
Speaker 1: if we go back, we talked to the add people,

1045
01:00:05,000 --> 01:00:08,040
Speaker 1: be like, this is a Christmas season film. Get the

1046
01:00:08,120 --> 01:00:11,240
Speaker 1: hearts warm. We like Dickens era stuff. It vaguely looks

1047
01:00:11,320 --> 01:00:15,120
Speaker 1: like Christmas in this weird, indescribable way because it's half

1048
01:00:15,400 --> 01:00:18,440
Speaker 1: it's green, which is half of Christmas color. Can we

1049
01:00:18,480 --> 01:00:22,720
Speaker 1: talk about Alfonso and green. He's really weird for green.

1050
01:00:23,000 --> 01:00:25,760
Speaker 1: He loves green. Um, I was okay. So when we

1051
01:00:25,840 --> 01:00:29,160
Speaker 1: were watching this with Coula, we were all like, the

1052
01:00:29,320 --> 01:00:32,000
Speaker 1: green and the gold, there's got to be some symbolism here.

1053
01:00:32,360 --> 01:00:36,440
Speaker 1: I read some like hokey blog posts that posited some theories,

1054
01:00:36,480 --> 01:00:38,920
Speaker 1: none of them quite lined up, and I was like, okay,

1055
01:00:38,960 --> 01:00:41,840
Speaker 1: well maybe he talked about it, like maybe there is.

1056
01:00:42,200 --> 01:00:43,640
Speaker 1: I was like, is this in the book? Is it?

1057
01:00:44,320 --> 01:00:46,720
Speaker 1: Is it him? Like? I don't know what? And the

1058
01:00:47,920 --> 01:00:50,880
Speaker 1: the answer is is puzzling which and it is simply

1059
01:00:51,000 --> 01:00:55,520
Speaker 1: that Alfonso loves green. That's it. Like there are quotes

1060
01:00:55,600 --> 01:00:57,920
Speaker 1: from him there. There is like a great interview done

1061
01:00:57,960 --> 01:01:03,360
Speaker 1: with the costume designer of this movie, Judyana Makovsky, right

1062
01:01:03,440 --> 01:01:06,360
Speaker 1: when this movie came out, and apparently they had like

1063
01:01:06,400 --> 01:01:09,080
Speaker 1: a big argument about how he was like, I only

1064
01:01:09,160 --> 01:01:12,240
Speaker 1: want green. Nothing cannot be green. She's like I can't

1065
01:01:12,320 --> 01:01:15,280
Speaker 1: do that. She's like, I will quit if you make

1066
01:01:15,320 --> 01:01:17,600
Speaker 1: me make everything she did do that green on Green

1067
01:01:17,680 --> 01:01:22,480
Speaker 1: school Girl before the clothes are green, the building that

1068
01:01:22,560 --> 01:01:26,120
Speaker 1: the school is in his green, the shots of like

1069
01:01:26,440 --> 01:01:29,920
Speaker 1: anything happening in the kitchen, there's so much lettuce and

1070
01:01:30,000 --> 01:01:32,200
Speaker 1: green apples in the frame, Like are we getting all

1071
01:01:32,240 --> 01:01:34,480
Speaker 1: this money to buy all of this fresh produce? That

1072
01:01:35,360 --> 01:01:37,480
Speaker 1: very suspect to me. I was like, no, no, you

1073
01:01:37,560 --> 01:01:39,000
Speaker 1: didn't buy that at the New York Market. We saw

1074
01:01:39,040 --> 01:01:42,520
Speaker 1: her just shopping at Yeah so so. And then the

1075
01:01:42,760 --> 01:01:45,280
Speaker 1: quote like a year later, I guess he was asked

1076
01:01:45,280 --> 01:01:48,880
Speaker 1: about this directly in a New York Times interview and

1077
01:01:49,000 --> 01:01:51,640
Speaker 1: he says, quote, I have to say green is the

1078
01:01:51,720 --> 01:01:54,640
Speaker 1: only color I understand. I can really frame it, I

1079
01:01:54,760 --> 01:01:56,720
Speaker 1: know how to work with it. I see other colors

1080
01:01:56,840 --> 01:01:59,920
Speaker 1: and they feel alien. I cannot give you a rational explanit.

1081
01:02:00,560 --> 01:02:04,440
Speaker 1: I love that it's just my art. When you please

1082
01:02:04,520 --> 01:02:07,040
Speaker 1: just watch it or don't, it's so like, I just

1083
01:02:07,160 --> 01:02:11,640
Speaker 1: don't care. I'm obsessed with the especially in this era

1084
01:02:11,840 --> 01:02:14,680
Speaker 1: when you've got that like weird Emerald marble Green a lot,

1085
01:02:14,800 --> 01:02:16,640
Speaker 1: so it's like golden white flext but then you're also

1086
01:02:16,720 --> 01:02:18,960
Speaker 1: dealing with a lot of natural greens. And I think

1087
01:02:19,040 --> 01:02:23,000
Speaker 1: coming from the India set scenes to here, this looks

1088
01:02:23,080 --> 01:02:26,560
Speaker 1: like such a polished like studio film. It's like like

1089
01:02:26,640 --> 01:02:29,600
Speaker 1: a thirty style like studio like when they're doing the

1090
01:02:29,760 --> 01:02:32,560
Speaker 1: kind of it's not c g I yet special effects.

1091
01:02:32,600 --> 01:02:34,280
Speaker 1: Visual effects is what we would have called it back

1092
01:02:34,320 --> 01:02:38,880
Speaker 1: in the day. That freaky which if you, oh my gosh,

1093
01:02:38,880 --> 01:02:42,800
Speaker 1: there's an Alec Baldwin film, we're a similar demon creature

1094
01:02:42,840 --> 01:02:44,640
Speaker 1: like that comes up and I'm like, did they borrow

1095
01:02:44,720 --> 01:02:48,360
Speaker 1: things from each other? Um? I love it. I love

1096
01:02:48,520 --> 01:02:51,040
Speaker 1: all of the Green movie. And it's like a living

1097
01:02:51,160 --> 01:02:53,320
Speaker 1: like urban jungle, and I feel like now that urban

1098
01:02:53,400 --> 01:02:57,200
Speaker 1: jungle is really in as a style choice, like looping back,

1099
01:02:57,680 --> 01:02:59,960
Speaker 1: I really like. I mean, it's always because we get

1100
01:03:00,160 --> 01:03:02,160
Speaker 1: so like I mean, the point of the show is

1101
01:03:02,200 --> 01:03:05,720
Speaker 1: to be in the weeds and like really analyze everything,

1102
01:03:06,080 --> 01:03:09,000
Speaker 1: and then sometimes you do just like Nope, there's no reason,

1103
01:03:09,280 --> 01:03:12,840
Speaker 1: and that is so comforting. You're like, great, everything is chaos.

1104
01:03:13,240 --> 01:03:16,320
Speaker 1: Alfonso likes green. That's why I don't look for meaning

1105
01:03:16,400 --> 01:03:19,800
Speaker 1: in anything. Yeah, that's why words ending the show today.

1106
01:03:22,240 --> 01:03:25,200
Speaker 1: Something I wanted to talk about is that a big

1107
01:03:25,280 --> 01:03:28,440
Speaker 1: deal is made in this movie about the idea that

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01:03:28,720 --> 01:03:33,120
Speaker 1: all girls and all women are princesses. This, I think

1109
01:03:33,440 --> 01:03:38,320
Speaker 1: can be seen as an empowering message for the young

1110
01:03:38,360 --> 01:03:40,720
Speaker 1: girls who are seeing this movie, who this movie is

1111
01:03:40,760 --> 01:03:44,320
Speaker 1: targeted to, because it's basically saying all girls have value.

1112
01:03:45,240 --> 01:03:48,360
Speaker 1: But I also think that the connotation behind the word

1113
01:03:48,520 --> 01:03:54,320
Speaker 1: princess invokes like a certain image and certain idea blond

1114
01:03:54,400 --> 01:03:59,800
Speaker 1: with giant blue eyes, perfect man and like Sarah down

1115
01:03:59,880 --> 01:04:02,880
Speaker 1: to it. I mean, like all like all canonical princesses

1116
01:04:03,000 --> 01:04:07,480
Speaker 1: does not have a mother sound exactly princess tropes. And yeah,

1117
01:04:07,600 --> 01:04:11,720
Speaker 1: so this like idea of like the princess type has

1118
01:04:11,920 --> 01:04:16,360
Speaker 1: historically not been empowering, and largely because what media has

1119
01:04:16,440 --> 01:04:20,200
Speaker 1: like put forth about what a princess is basically every

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01:04:20,280 --> 01:04:27,720
Speaker 1: Disney movie pre two thousand today, because like, princesses always

1121
01:04:27,920 --> 01:04:31,160
Speaker 1: end up with a prince or a man. In general,

1122
01:04:32,000 --> 01:04:35,920
Speaker 1: they rarely have a storyline that's anything besides a romantic relationship.

1123
01:04:36,560 --> 01:04:41,920
Speaker 1: They are largely siss white, able bodied girls or women.

1124
01:04:42,120 --> 01:04:47,080
Speaker 1: They are rich and from the highest socio economic class. Uh,

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01:04:47,160 --> 01:04:50,800
Speaker 1: they rarely have a mom or really any female relationships

1126
01:04:50,880 --> 01:04:53,080
Speaker 1: to speak us. So it's a lot of diming in

1127
01:04:53,200 --> 01:04:57,320
Speaker 1: this movie sort of place. So that yeah, against type

1128
01:04:57,320 --> 01:04:59,600
Speaker 1: a lot too. If we think about just the last

1129
01:04:59,640 --> 01:05:01,760
Speaker 1: one you said doesn't have a lot of female friends,

1130
01:05:01,800 --> 01:05:04,840
Speaker 1: She's only got lady friends. Um, she doesn't have a mom,

1131
01:05:04,920 --> 01:05:06,840
Speaker 1: but yes, has a lot of girlfriends. And then if

1132
01:05:06,880 --> 01:05:09,160
Speaker 1: we look at the fact that who else she sort

1133
01:05:09,200 --> 01:05:12,400
Speaker 1: of inspires or shows to be princess, not just Becky

1134
01:05:12,480 --> 01:05:14,040
Speaker 1: who she takes with her at the end, and they

1135
01:05:14,120 --> 01:05:19,360
Speaker 1: again looking like sisters, like they belong together, same costuming

1136
01:05:19,360 --> 01:05:21,280
Speaker 1: and all of that. You also get the same thing

1137
01:05:21,480 --> 01:05:25,200
Speaker 1: with Amelia, who is like the plump lady who would

1138
01:05:25,240 --> 01:05:27,680
Speaker 1: definitely have been considered past her time. This the milkman

1139
01:05:27,920 --> 01:05:32,080
Speaker 1: is kind of hot. They actually had chemistry, which I

1140
01:05:32,240 --> 01:05:35,600
Speaker 1: get really upset when plus size women. As a plus

1141
01:05:35,600 --> 01:05:37,920
Speaker 1: size woman, when women get cast against guys who are

1142
01:05:37,960 --> 01:05:40,439
Speaker 1: clearly not into them, I'm like, listen, casting, we gotta

1143
01:05:40,480 --> 01:05:42,480
Speaker 1: do better, like find better actors. You don't really have

1144
01:05:42,560 --> 01:05:44,600
Speaker 1: to be in love. Lots of actors are not. I

1145
01:05:44,720 --> 01:05:48,120
Speaker 1: need to see like the chemistry otherwise I'm not believing it. Um,

1146
01:05:48,320 --> 01:05:51,520
Speaker 1: they clearly were into that whole like two second milk exchange.

1147
01:05:51,800 --> 01:05:55,160
Speaker 1: I think that's what like hot, Yeah, it's oh my gosh,

1148
01:05:55,160 --> 01:05:56,480
Speaker 1: it's so steep, and she's like, I'm just gonna wait.

1149
01:05:56,520 --> 01:05:59,440
Speaker 1: He's definitely coming back, and then she just like holds

1150
01:05:59,480 --> 01:06:01,280
Speaker 1: onto the thing and it's like, don't go, like we

1151
01:06:01,360 --> 01:06:04,520
Speaker 1: are connecting. You know, this all kinds of like glorious

1152
01:06:04,520 --> 01:06:06,440
Speaker 1: sexual time and from the get go, like Sarah sees,

1153
01:06:06,520 --> 01:06:08,320
Speaker 1: all of them is equal. So I think it a

1154
01:06:08,360 --> 01:06:12,040
Speaker 1: getting placed into our earlier issue of naivete. You know,

1155
01:06:12,360 --> 01:06:15,280
Speaker 1: how much do we believe that a girl of her status,

1156
01:06:15,360 --> 01:06:18,400
Speaker 1: who looks like she does, who has all the advantages

1157
01:06:18,440 --> 01:06:22,480
Speaker 1: in the world, truly believes that everyone is treated equally

1158
01:06:22,800 --> 01:06:25,840
Speaker 1: in the film? She does, And again, because she does,

1159
01:06:25,920 --> 01:06:28,240
Speaker 1: it just justifies that villainary. More like, if we keep

1160
01:06:28,320 --> 01:06:32,640
Speaker 1: following back into that idea of Okay, probably not, but

1161
01:06:32,800 --> 01:06:35,760
Speaker 1: maybe she's the exception. You can kind of I can

1162
01:06:35,840 --> 01:06:38,200
Speaker 1: bridge the gap I can bridge the divide. Yeah, I

1163
01:06:38,560 --> 01:06:41,360
Speaker 1: feel the same. I mean, I I totally agree with

1164
01:06:41,520 --> 01:06:44,560
Speaker 1: all of I mean, the concept of a princess in

1165
01:06:44,920 --> 01:06:48,800
Speaker 1: culture is like flawed and like, right up until today,

1166
01:06:49,200 --> 01:06:50,640
Speaker 1: I think that. But I just felt like the way

1167
01:06:50,720 --> 01:06:55,320
Speaker 1: that she uses the word princess, like her meaning of

1168
01:06:55,440 --> 01:06:57,800
Speaker 1: it is a little bit different. Like I didn't think

1169
01:06:57,840 --> 01:07:02,880
Speaker 1: that she was saying like, oh, everyone is like rapunzela.

1170
01:07:02,920 --> 01:07:04,720
Speaker 1: I felt like she was the way that Sarah was

1171
01:07:04,840 --> 01:07:06,560
Speaker 1: using it. And I don't even know if this is

1172
01:07:06,640 --> 01:07:09,200
Speaker 1: the way that Davos meant it when she said it

1173
01:07:09,280 --> 01:07:11,800
Speaker 1: to her, but the way that she interprets it, I

1174
01:07:11,920 --> 01:07:16,120
Speaker 1: thought was like saying, like a princess as like worthy

1175
01:07:16,360 --> 01:07:20,080
Speaker 1: and like worthy respect. And yeah, one of them even

1176
01:07:20,120 --> 01:07:22,720
Speaker 1: follows that logic too, and like I really love the

1177
01:07:22,800 --> 01:07:25,840
Speaker 1: idea that. Again, as wrong as the stories were, the

1178
01:07:26,240 --> 01:07:29,360
Speaker 1: way they were used as devices to inflict and impact

1179
01:07:29,440 --> 01:07:32,280
Speaker 1: her life were really interesting. Like when she's first sent

1180
01:07:32,360 --> 01:07:34,200
Speaker 1: to the attic, she creates a circle of safety like

1181
01:07:34,280 --> 01:07:37,200
Speaker 1: the one from the story to protect herself. She gives

1182
01:07:37,240 --> 01:07:40,640
Speaker 1: she takes the same advice she gave not Lillian the

1183
01:07:40,760 --> 01:07:44,600
Speaker 1: other The little girl cries, she gets hurt, the same vice.

1184
01:07:44,680 --> 01:07:46,560
Speaker 1: You know, just because I don't know, just because I

1185
01:07:46,600 --> 01:07:47,880
Speaker 1: can't hear them, doesn't mean they can't hear me. And

1186
01:07:47,920 --> 01:07:49,680
Speaker 1: so she starts calling out to her father. But then

1187
01:07:49,720 --> 01:07:53,200
Speaker 1: we get that really great emotional exchange where she's in

1188
01:07:53,280 --> 01:07:55,760
Speaker 1: the street and like some boy, out of the kindness

1189
01:07:55,800 --> 01:07:58,960
Speaker 1: of his his naive heart, gives her a coin. The

1190
01:07:59,040 --> 01:08:02,160
Speaker 1: mother is like, nope, that's awful. Look, she's just followed us.

1191
01:08:02,360 --> 01:08:03,920
Speaker 1: She's trying to give the coin back. She's like, I

1192
01:08:04,000 --> 01:08:06,120
Speaker 1: don't want it, I don't need it. I'm okay. Now

1193
01:08:06,200 --> 01:08:07,800
Speaker 1: she has the money, so she bites herself, like what

1194
01:08:07,880 --> 01:08:10,120
Speaker 1: I believe is the cross hot bun or kind of

1195
01:08:10,200 --> 01:08:14,920
Speaker 1: like it is a hot, delicious tree, and she is cold,

1196
01:08:15,040 --> 01:08:16,400
Speaker 1: and she has been working all day. She had to

1197
01:08:16,479 --> 01:08:18,599
Speaker 1: fight a boy to keep the stuff in her basket

1198
01:08:18,960 --> 01:08:20,759
Speaker 1: and right, and she's about to eat it. She sees

1199
01:08:20,760 --> 01:08:23,280
Speaker 1: another girl who are clearly having much worse lives than her,

1200
01:08:23,439 --> 01:08:25,320
Speaker 1: Like they're trying to sell flowers somewhere where they got

1201
01:08:25,360 --> 01:08:27,519
Speaker 1: these yellow roses in the middle of winter. I have

1202
01:08:27,600 --> 01:08:30,400
Speaker 1: a questions, but they have them, and they're selling them,

1203
01:08:30,439 --> 01:08:32,559
Speaker 1: And so she gives it to that girl. That girl's

1204
01:08:32,600 --> 01:08:34,120
Speaker 1: mother is like, make sure this girl gets a flower.

1205
01:08:34,200 --> 01:08:36,280
Speaker 1: Don't let her go without it. She in turn gives

1206
01:08:36,320 --> 01:08:38,760
Speaker 1: the flower to the old guy who just found out

1207
01:08:38,800 --> 01:08:40,759
Speaker 1: he lost his son. And when she gets a flower,

1208
01:08:40,840 --> 01:08:42,839
Speaker 1: she calls her a princess. She says, for the princess.

1209
01:08:42,880 --> 01:08:44,960
Speaker 1: And so I think this idea of being a princess

1210
01:08:45,160 --> 01:08:47,320
Speaker 1: not being about having money. She was a princess even

1211
01:08:47,320 --> 01:08:49,719
Speaker 1: when she hit her lowest point, even when she didn't

1212
01:08:49,760 --> 01:08:52,560
Speaker 1: have anything like it was still her ability to just

1213
01:08:52,640 --> 01:08:55,160
Speaker 1: be kind and giving. And again it's just, oh man,

1214
01:08:55,240 --> 01:08:57,800
Speaker 1: it's really hard in the world, being an adult and

1215
01:08:57,960 --> 01:09:00,560
Speaker 1: living in this world to be like, yeah, none of

1216
01:09:00,640 --> 01:09:03,240
Speaker 1: this happens. But if you want to enter a land

1217
01:09:03,280 --> 01:09:05,479
Speaker 1: of like make believe and and believe in like the

1218
01:09:05,640 --> 01:09:09,280
Speaker 1: quality and good in children who have not yet been corrupted, Wow,

1219
01:09:09,840 --> 01:09:14,479
Speaker 1: it's impactful. I mean the way that Sarah uses like

1220
01:09:14,640 --> 01:09:17,320
Speaker 1: something I was like thinking about through the movie is

1221
01:09:17,360 --> 01:09:18,920
Speaker 1: I feel like, you know, like we talk a lot

1222
01:09:19,040 --> 01:09:22,800
Speaker 1: about privilege, and I feel like it's generally used as

1223
01:09:22,880 --> 01:09:27,559
Speaker 1: a negative term, but I think Sarah is in some ways.

1224
01:09:27,680 --> 01:09:29,479
Speaker 1: There are there are ways where you're like, oh, this

1225
01:09:29,520 --> 01:09:31,200
Speaker 1: is getting a little white savior, this is getting a

1226
01:09:31,240 --> 01:09:34,760
Speaker 1: little like it's a very delicate balance of like how

1227
01:09:34,840 --> 01:09:36,600
Speaker 1: to write one of these characters well. But for the

1228
01:09:36,760 --> 01:09:40,000
Speaker 1: most part, I thought that the way that Sarah used

1229
01:09:40,080 --> 01:09:44,240
Speaker 1: her privilege and that she clearly has was setting a

1230
01:09:44,360 --> 01:09:48,360
Speaker 1: relatively good example of just like she does use her

1231
01:09:48,439 --> 01:09:51,240
Speaker 1: privilege while she still has money and fancy stuff, she

1232
01:09:51,400 --> 01:09:55,160
Speaker 1: uses it to help people. And then and then when

1233
01:09:55,200 --> 01:09:57,639
Speaker 1: she doesn't have much, she you know, she still has

1234
01:09:58,000 --> 01:10:00,479
Speaker 1: a fair amount of privilege and still tries to all people.

1235
01:10:00,560 --> 01:10:03,200
Speaker 1: So it maybe wish I had seen this movie when

1236
01:10:03,240 --> 01:10:05,240
Speaker 1: I when I was younger, because it's you know, it's like,

1237
01:10:05,280 --> 01:10:07,640
Speaker 1: if you do have a protagonist that has a lot

1238
01:10:07,720 --> 01:10:10,559
Speaker 1: of privilege, then like, you know, go to great lengths

1239
01:10:10,600 --> 01:10:15,560
Speaker 1: to show how you can use your privileges. Yeah, I

1240
01:10:15,720 --> 01:10:18,040
Speaker 1: agree there. To me, there are two kind of main

1241
01:10:18,200 --> 01:10:22,360
Speaker 1: takeaways from this movie that are potentially conflicting. But one

1242
01:10:22,479 --> 01:10:26,320
Speaker 1: is that like, Sarah is a princess because she is

1243
01:10:26,520 --> 01:10:29,839
Speaker 1: kind and because she is generous and nice to everyone,

1244
01:10:30,040 --> 01:10:34,040
Speaker 1: and she isn't afraid to challenge the oppressive systems that

1245
01:10:34,120 --> 01:10:39,479
Speaker 1: are in place. The other takeaway is that everything will

1246
01:10:39,520 --> 01:10:42,200
Speaker 1: be fine as long as the loved ones you thought

1247
01:10:42,240 --> 01:10:44,719
Speaker 1: were dead are actually still alive. And you are still

1248
01:10:45,040 --> 01:10:49,679
Speaker 1: very rich, right, I mean her like return to richness

1249
01:10:49,760 --> 01:10:53,120
Speaker 1: and like that vague thing that like Davos at the end,

1250
01:10:53,160 --> 01:10:55,240
Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, I told them I wasn't dead. Got

1251
01:10:55,240 --> 01:11:00,400
Speaker 1: all my ship bocks, like okay. I do wonder how

1252
01:11:00,439 --> 01:11:02,200
Speaker 1: the film would have turned out if either her dad

1253
01:11:02,280 --> 01:11:04,400
Speaker 1: never got his memory back or he just wasn't there

1254
01:11:04,439 --> 01:11:06,560
Speaker 1: and had died in the war. Because she has no

1255
01:11:06,640 --> 01:11:09,160
Speaker 1: motivated It's not like she's motivated to go find her father,

1256
01:11:09,400 --> 01:11:12,639
Speaker 1: like she is just going to escape. And before she escaped,

1257
01:11:12,640 --> 01:11:14,960
Speaker 1: she turns back and she's like, I'm coming back for you.

1258
01:11:15,520 --> 01:11:17,040
Speaker 1: And there's a small part of me that really wants

1259
01:11:17,040 --> 01:11:19,200
Speaker 1: to believe this girl as tough as hell and would

1260
01:11:19,200 --> 01:11:21,320
Speaker 1: have figured a way out in New York and probably

1261
01:11:21,360 --> 01:11:24,800
Speaker 1: not kept all of that like glorious sweetness about her,

1262
01:11:24,880 --> 01:11:27,760
Speaker 1: but maybe would have found a way to to survive

1263
01:11:27,880 --> 01:11:31,280
Speaker 1: and space for her and her friend. It would have

1264
01:11:31,320 --> 01:11:34,240
Speaker 1: been hard. As listen, someone right the alternate Universe fantasy

1265
01:11:34,280 --> 01:11:36,680
Speaker 1: fiction and sent it to me. These girls got to

1266
01:11:36,720 --> 01:11:39,000
Speaker 1: just survive on their own, and they're like amazing and

1267
01:11:39,080 --> 01:11:42,680
Speaker 1: tough and scrapping. They start a small business there. I

1268
01:11:42,800 --> 01:11:45,760
Speaker 1: liked one of my favorite parts of this movie was

1269
01:11:46,400 --> 01:11:50,640
Speaker 1: during the escape part, the dais X plank that appears

1270
01:11:51,320 --> 01:11:55,000
Speaker 1: a perfectly measured plank to get from one window to

1271
01:11:55,120 --> 01:11:56,960
Speaker 1: the other. And I like went back to because we

1272
01:11:57,040 --> 01:11:59,160
Speaker 1: watched it last night with Paula VI and then when

1273
01:11:59,200 --> 01:12:01,400
Speaker 1: I watched it again this morning, I'm like, maybe that

1274
01:12:01,600 --> 01:12:03,680
Speaker 1: maybe the plank is set up, maybe it's been there

1275
01:12:03,720 --> 01:12:06,320
Speaker 1: the whole time. But she, like Sarah just turns to

1276
01:12:06,400 --> 01:12:08,680
Speaker 1: Becky and he's like, help me get this board. I

1277
01:12:08,800 --> 01:12:12,880
Speaker 1: was like, what the board is, Sarah floor. I thought

1278
01:12:12,960 --> 01:12:14,560
Speaker 1: it was going to be the green like thing that

1279
01:12:14,680 --> 01:12:17,200
Speaker 1: moves in between their walls. It's like they have like

1280
01:12:17,320 --> 01:12:19,200
Speaker 1: a loose kind of plank. I thought she was gonna

1281
01:12:19,200 --> 01:12:21,599
Speaker 1: be like, just snap that off and let me climb across.

1282
01:12:21,760 --> 01:12:24,560
Speaker 1: This the thing that connects us, launching us into a

1283
01:12:24,600 --> 01:12:27,000
Speaker 1: new life. I don't know something, but it was not.

1284
01:12:27,560 --> 01:12:34,720
Speaker 1: It just maybe the magical indianman who lives next door

1285
01:12:35,200 --> 01:12:38,559
Speaker 1: foresaw this would all happen and gave her the plank

1286
01:12:38,640 --> 01:12:41,679
Speaker 1: whenever he was like decorating the room and like setting

1287
01:12:41,760 --> 01:12:45,519
Speaker 1: up this huge banquet for them. Oh, so my theory.

1288
01:12:45,680 --> 01:12:50,120
Speaker 1: He was like, I actually, he's like he set everything

1289
01:12:50,240 --> 01:12:54,200
Speaker 1: up really quietly and like when does he know he

1290
01:12:54,400 --> 01:12:58,160
Speaker 1: sees Sarah? He saw her on the Titanic like boat

1291
01:12:58,680 --> 01:13:03,160
Speaker 1: that they come to America from India on. He saw

1292
01:13:03,320 --> 01:13:08,240
Speaker 1: them like daughter and father dancing together. He knows their relationship.

1293
01:13:08,360 --> 01:13:12,760
Speaker 1: He knows that Daddy is sitting ten feet away. He

1294
01:13:12,920 --> 01:13:18,800
Speaker 1: also saw Daddy Davos give Sarah a heart shaped necklace,

1295
01:13:19,000 --> 01:13:23,080
Speaker 1: not on like what happens in Titanic, but so yeah,

1296
01:13:23,120 --> 01:13:26,760
Speaker 1: he knows. He's like this omniscient guy a lot of

1297
01:13:26,840 --> 01:13:29,599
Speaker 1: these issues if we had just seen him watch dude

1298
01:13:29,680 --> 01:13:32,800
Speaker 1: come into the building with his daughter, because like if

1299
01:13:33,040 --> 01:13:36,519
Speaker 1: if he is aware of like, oh, this guy looks

1300
01:13:36,560 --> 01:13:38,600
Speaker 1: like the same dude that dropped the daughter off of

1301
01:13:38,640 --> 01:13:41,360
Speaker 1: the school, Well you should take him in there, because

1302
01:13:41,360 --> 01:13:43,000
Speaker 1: you have the means to do so. If you can

1303
01:13:43,120 --> 01:13:46,000
Speaker 1: rewatch this movie thinking about this guy is just playing

1304
01:13:46,040 --> 01:13:49,439
Speaker 1: the ship out of everyone around him. It is wildly

1305
01:13:49,520 --> 01:13:53,920
Speaker 1: more entertaining. I feel like it is. Yeah, It's just

1306
01:13:54,400 --> 01:13:56,360
Speaker 1: I don't know. With the plank and the ending, it

1307
01:13:56,520 --> 01:13:59,600
Speaker 1: like it gets so fantasy at the end that I'm like,

1308
01:13:59,720 --> 01:14:03,200
Speaker 1: I I mean, I'm I'm happy to accept, like and

1309
01:14:03,360 --> 01:14:07,880
Speaker 1: everything worked out like happily ever after, Sure, Davos is alive. Sure,

1310
01:14:08,120 --> 01:14:11,880
Speaker 1: you know, like why why not? Something I did like

1311
01:14:12,080 --> 01:14:14,519
Speaker 1: though that we haven't talked about yet. It's like the

1312
01:14:14,600 --> 01:14:17,120
Speaker 1: way that grief is portrayed in this movie I thought

1313
01:14:17,240 --> 01:14:20,360
Speaker 1: was really cool and not something you get to see

1314
01:14:20,640 --> 01:14:23,960
Speaker 1: in kids movies at all, or especially like played in

1315
01:14:24,760 --> 01:14:27,640
Speaker 1: like I thought, like a pretty thoughtful way, because you

1316
01:14:27,760 --> 01:14:29,680
Speaker 1: all you were saying earlier, like it's clear that all

1317
01:14:29,720 --> 01:14:32,400
Speaker 1: these kids are missing their parents and then in the

1318
01:14:32,520 --> 01:14:37,200
Speaker 1: case of Lottie and then later Sarah, are actually their

1319
01:14:37,280 --> 01:14:40,040
Speaker 1: parents aren't coming back for them, and like seeing that

1320
01:14:40,360 --> 01:14:43,720
Speaker 1: play out in different ways. With Lottie, it's just the

1321
01:14:43,840 --> 01:14:47,240
Speaker 1: screaming fits in front of the music box, or like

1322
01:14:47,439 --> 01:14:50,760
Speaker 1: Sarah gets, like I mean, it's like really devastating to

1323
01:14:50,800 --> 01:14:55,639
Speaker 1: watch how depressed she gets. She's like there is no magic, right, Yeah,

1324
01:14:55,720 --> 01:14:59,720
Speaker 1: she's very clearly going through the depression phase of grief. Yeah,

1325
01:14:59,800 --> 01:15:01,600
Speaker 1: and like just the way that she like sort of

1326
01:15:01,720 --> 01:15:04,920
Speaker 1: it's just sort of SAPs all the like positive energy

1327
01:15:05,520 --> 01:15:07,840
Speaker 1: out of her, and then it's sort of then the

1328
01:15:08,920 --> 01:15:11,479
Speaker 1: young girls that she knows that like lift her back

1329
01:15:11,600 --> 01:15:13,960
Speaker 1: up and and so I just I really thought that

1330
01:15:14,040 --> 01:15:17,400
Speaker 1: it was like a cool, thoughtful presentation of grief, and

1331
01:15:17,520 --> 01:15:20,000
Speaker 1: again it's like all that is sort of undone at

1332
01:15:20,040 --> 01:15:21,880
Speaker 1: the end where you're like you didn't have to grieve.

1333
01:15:22,080 --> 01:15:25,519
Speaker 1: Daddy was across sister, but the way I was presented

1334
01:15:25,600 --> 01:15:29,439
Speaker 1: but I thought was like was lovely. And also I

1335
01:15:29,600 --> 01:15:32,560
Speaker 1: just found out on Wikipedia dot organ ever heard of

1336
01:15:32,640 --> 01:15:37,479
Speaker 1: it that the Chimney Sweep as Alfonso Korn's son. Yes,

1337
01:15:40,200 --> 01:15:43,120
Speaker 1: or he was so good. He was so good. And

1338
01:15:43,160 --> 01:15:46,360
Speaker 1: when you talk about the girl, uh, Lisa Matthews is

1339
01:15:46,400 --> 01:15:49,240
Speaker 1: the girl that places there. She comes from like a

1340
01:15:49,320 --> 01:15:55,080
Speaker 1: billionaire family from Chicago, which explains the American accent. She's

1341
01:15:55,200 --> 01:15:58,400
Speaker 1: like a prince great yes great. Actress went on to

1342
01:15:58,479 --> 01:16:03,120
Speaker 1: do Air Force One played uh, oh my gosh, Harrison

1343
01:16:03,200 --> 01:16:05,559
Speaker 1: Ford's daughter say solo. But I'm like that's not right,

1344
01:16:06,000 --> 01:16:08,600
Speaker 1: Uh play his daughter. She did one more movie after that,

1345
01:16:08,760 --> 01:16:11,800
Speaker 1: not a successful but now she like runs like a

1346
01:16:11,880 --> 01:16:15,719
Speaker 1: Hedge Fune company that like gives money to sub Saharan Africa.

1347
01:16:16,320 --> 01:16:20,839
Speaker 1: Is a jillionaire and like we're I mean, her family

1348
01:16:20,960 --> 01:16:25,920
Speaker 1: owns Hyatt hotels and we know about families that own

1349
01:16:26,000 --> 01:16:29,600
Speaker 1: hotel chains. It always ends well, Uh, they own the

1350
01:16:29,760 --> 01:16:33,920
Speaker 1: Royal Caribbean cruise Line. They own the TransUnion credit bureau.

1351
01:16:34,040 --> 01:16:37,920
Speaker 1: She's from like a lot of money. So basically she

1352
01:16:38,080 --> 01:16:40,760
Speaker 1: was like, I want to be an actor, and then

1353
01:16:40,800 --> 01:16:45,120
Speaker 1: everyone was like, okay, you're an actor now, great, a

1354
01:16:45,200 --> 01:16:47,519
Speaker 1: really good child actress. I don't know if it just

1355
01:16:47,560 --> 01:16:49,680
Speaker 1: didn't transition as an adult or she was like, Oh,

1356
01:16:49,800 --> 01:16:52,840
Speaker 1: I have money, I don't have to do this. Good,

1357
01:16:52,880 --> 01:16:55,120
Speaker 1: do something else. She married a hot guy who kind

1358
01:16:55,120 --> 01:16:58,679
Speaker 1: of looks like Jamie Lanister, like like an average Jamie Lanister.

1359
01:16:58,920 --> 01:17:03,000
Speaker 1: You know, they live in Austin. It's like it's rich

1360
01:17:03,080 --> 01:17:05,960
Speaker 1: people like I do. It's funny. I'm really glad that

1361
01:17:06,120 --> 01:17:08,920
Speaker 1: she is like she like, or at least was like

1362
01:17:08,960 --> 01:17:12,599
Speaker 1: a very talented child actress, because I'm like, the second

1363
01:17:12,680 --> 01:17:14,320
Speaker 1: I was like started reading about her, I was like, oh,

1364
01:17:14,439 --> 01:17:16,800
Speaker 1: she was like, Dad, wouldn't it be cool if I

1365
01:17:17,040 --> 01:17:20,800
Speaker 1: was a movie star And he was like, yeah, sure, okay,

1366
01:17:20,960 --> 01:17:26,320
Speaker 1: I don't care. Businesses to run multiple Also, Camilla Bell

1367
01:17:26,439 --> 01:17:29,120
Speaker 1: is in this movie, which one was Kamilla Bell Jane,

1368
01:17:29,600 --> 01:17:31,120
Speaker 1: I don't know one of the girls like that. I

1369
01:17:31,200 --> 01:17:32,880
Speaker 1: hope it was the girl. Wait a minute, was she

1370
01:17:33,000 --> 01:17:36,360
Speaker 1: the girl who told Lavinia like, I don't care what

1371
01:17:36,560 --> 01:17:38,599
Speaker 1: you're doing. I want to listen to these stories. Oh,

1372
01:17:38,680 --> 01:17:40,479
Speaker 1: I hope, So I don't know. I was like, I

1373
01:17:40,520 --> 01:17:45,120
Speaker 1: don't really remember. And there's two Jane, Betsy and Ruth

1374
01:17:45,320 --> 01:17:48,400
Speaker 1: are characters that I I'm assuming that they were all

1375
01:17:48,479 --> 01:17:50,400
Speaker 1: girls at the school, but I have no idea they

1376
01:17:50,439 --> 01:17:52,720
Speaker 1: were hanging out in the background. I like that it

1377
01:17:52,840 --> 01:17:54,479
Speaker 1: was a small group of girls and they were not

1378
01:17:54,640 --> 01:17:57,000
Speaker 1: running through child actors. They're like, no, this is the group.

1379
01:17:57,040 --> 01:17:59,880
Speaker 1: They're here to deal with it, um. And I also

1380
01:18:00,160 --> 01:18:02,840
Speaker 1: like the staging for this. I would be so curious about,

1381
01:18:02,880 --> 01:18:04,559
Speaker 1: like what is it like to direct that many kids,

1382
01:18:04,600 --> 01:18:07,240
Speaker 1: because they talked to a bunch of stars from Susanne

1383
01:18:07,240 --> 01:18:10,160
Speaker 1: and they're like, so there were six kids and they

1384
01:18:10,200 --> 01:18:14,800
Speaker 1: were a lot like kind cool kids, but there must

1385
01:18:14,840 --> 01:18:18,800
Speaker 1: have been so many like child wranglers on. So I

1386
01:18:18,840 --> 01:18:20,800
Speaker 1: mean you get to think that like Alfonso Korn has

1387
01:18:20,880 --> 01:18:24,400
Speaker 1: to just work well with children, because it's like, I

1388
01:18:24,439 --> 01:18:27,640
Speaker 1: mean this movie especially, there's basically only children, and he

1389
01:18:27,720 --> 01:18:31,160
Speaker 1: manages to get like some really impressive performances out of kids,

1390
01:18:31,520 --> 01:18:34,000
Speaker 1: which is like a testament just as much to him

1391
01:18:34,040 --> 01:18:36,000
Speaker 1: as it is to them. And then you know he

1392
01:18:36,200 --> 01:18:39,800
Speaker 1: like he tamed Rupert Grant or whatever. Later like he

1393
01:18:39,880 --> 01:18:44,280
Speaker 1: knows how to work with child actors. I mean we're

1394
01:18:44,520 --> 01:18:47,160
Speaker 1: notoriously I love up. I have a question them forever.

1395
01:18:47,360 --> 01:18:49,640
Speaker 1: Is he a good actor? I mean, I don't know.

1396
01:18:50,120 --> 01:18:52,840
Speaker 1: I like his new comedies, his Little Big TV show.

1397
01:18:52,880 --> 01:18:55,599
Speaker 1: I think they're adorable and definitely like he is lean

1398
01:18:55,840 --> 01:19:00,080
Speaker 1: his second act. Yeah, well, I mean also like and

1399
01:19:00,320 --> 01:19:04,519
Speaker 1: oh my god, what's his name? Daniel Radcliffe was a

1400
01:19:04,720 --> 01:19:07,200
Speaker 1: bad actor in the first two Harry Potter movies and

1401
01:19:07,280 --> 01:19:10,400
Speaker 1: then gets pretty good in a Prisoner of Azkaban. I'm

1402
01:19:10,439 --> 01:19:13,360
Speaker 1: sure that Emma was like, listen, we can get this together.

1403
01:19:14,640 --> 01:19:17,880
Speaker 1: She was like, let's just try some exercises. They all,

1404
01:19:18,000 --> 01:19:19,400
Speaker 1: I feel like they all to level up in the

1405
01:19:19,520 --> 01:19:22,080
Speaker 1: third one kind of yeah, And by the fourth one

1406
01:19:22,120 --> 01:19:24,040
Speaker 1: we're really just flying, which for me was perfect. The

1407
01:19:24,080 --> 01:19:25,800
Speaker 1: fourth book is my favorite, and I was like, here

1408
01:19:25,840 --> 01:19:29,080
Speaker 1: we go, and then ours comes in. My heart is

1409
01:19:29,120 --> 01:19:35,439
Speaker 1: really softening. Terry Potter as I'm so glad to hear that. Um,

1410
01:19:35,720 --> 01:19:38,439
Speaker 1: can we go back to Amelia really quick? And I

1411
01:19:38,520 --> 01:19:40,320
Speaker 1: would like to pose a question, how do you feel

1412
01:19:40,400 --> 01:19:44,040
Speaker 1: the representation of bigger women is in this movie? Like

1413
01:19:44,320 --> 01:19:47,280
Speaker 1: all of the representation, we got so close. They did

1414
01:19:47,400 --> 01:19:50,479
Speaker 1: not let a fat Joe slip until her final moment,

1415
01:19:50,560 --> 01:19:54,280
Speaker 1: and I was livid. I was like, guys, we did

1416
01:19:54,800 --> 01:19:57,960
Speaker 1: so good. She was just a lady. She fell in love.

1417
01:19:58,120 --> 01:20:00,599
Speaker 1: None of the kids were like judging or making faces

1418
01:20:00,600 --> 01:20:03,519
Speaker 1: behind her, like it was a polished perfect and then

1419
01:20:03,560 --> 01:20:05,479
Speaker 1: they're like throw the suitcases at the guy in the

1420
01:20:05,560 --> 01:20:09,040
Speaker 1: land on top of them because that's what sells, Like damn,

1421
01:20:09,120 --> 01:20:12,320
Speaker 1: that was just so exciting there. It was. I mean,

1422
01:20:12,360 --> 01:20:14,680
Speaker 1: I feel like she her character in general, and I

1423
01:20:15,240 --> 01:20:18,680
Speaker 1: couldn't really tell how much it was, like whether it

1424
01:20:18,800 --> 01:20:20,519
Speaker 1: was a comment on what she looked like at all,

1425
01:20:20,560 --> 01:20:24,840
Speaker 1: but like she was the slap stickiest of the people

1426
01:20:24,920 --> 01:20:27,479
Speaker 1: at the school. Because it's like anytime someone would make

1427
01:20:27,479 --> 01:20:30,920
Speaker 1: a loud noise, it would be like like she would.

1428
01:20:31,200 --> 01:20:35,720
Speaker 1: She she had big physical reactions to things, responsible for

1429
01:20:35,840 --> 01:20:39,760
Speaker 1: the crying girl, which was so even she's conspired with

1430
01:20:39,880 --> 01:20:43,040
Speaker 1: Satan cursed me um. But I liked, I mean, I

1431
01:20:43,160 --> 01:20:46,600
Speaker 1: liked the scene with Sarah and Amelia on the staircase.

1432
01:20:46,640 --> 01:20:50,000
Speaker 1: I thought that was another like lovely little Sarah moment

1433
01:20:50,200 --> 01:20:52,320
Speaker 1: of like ne're worthy of love and she was like

1434
01:20:53,320 --> 01:20:56,880
Speaker 1: Amelia is like I hate children out of here. So

1435
01:20:57,040 --> 01:20:59,800
Speaker 1: that's where I think that they film doesn't like it's

1436
01:20:59,840 --> 01:21:02,320
Speaker 1: like good in two ways and the bad and three like.

1437
01:21:02,439 --> 01:21:04,040
Speaker 1: I think they do a really good job of subverting

1438
01:21:04,360 --> 01:21:07,479
Speaker 1: expectations fat women are supposed to like love kids. They're like,

1439
01:21:07,600 --> 01:21:10,679
Speaker 1: you're the natural caregivers, you have the tits like make

1440
01:21:10,720 --> 01:21:13,200
Speaker 1: it work, um, And so for her to like for

1441
01:21:13,320 --> 01:21:15,240
Speaker 1: the whole time just be like, I'm really not, I

1442
01:21:15,280 --> 01:21:17,519
Speaker 1: don't know how to, don't want to, would rather not

1443
01:21:17,680 --> 01:21:20,280
Speaker 1: be here. I thought's interesting for a character like her.

1444
01:21:20,439 --> 01:21:24,240
Speaker 1: I think that, yeah, putting her in a slapstick position, certainly,

1445
01:21:25,120 --> 01:21:27,080
Speaker 1: I don't know. I feel weird about it because if

1446
01:21:27,160 --> 01:21:29,280
Speaker 1: it was two men running an all boys school, we

1447
01:21:29,400 --> 01:21:32,120
Speaker 1: most likely would have the exact same dynamic, you know,

1448
01:21:32,320 --> 01:21:35,439
Speaker 1: like a tall, thin person and like a shorter, fatter person.

1449
01:21:35,520 --> 01:21:37,800
Speaker 1: Has been like comedy like how we make it work

1450
01:21:37,880 --> 01:21:42,439
Speaker 1: in partnerships for so long. Visually, Um, I'll say this again,

1451
01:21:42,720 --> 01:21:46,840
Speaker 1: we're desperate for representation. We're grasping to what we have.

1452
01:21:47,280 --> 01:21:51,080
Speaker 1: This movie goes above and beyond what most representations at

1453
01:21:51,120 --> 01:21:52,400
Speaker 1: the time where. And I think if you look at

1454
01:21:52,400 --> 01:21:54,479
Speaker 1: it in a time period capsule, that way, you can

1455
01:21:54,520 --> 01:21:57,120
Speaker 1: be like, Okay, I can value what we were aiming

1456
01:21:57,160 --> 01:22:00,000
Speaker 1: for even if if it came out today, we wouldn't

1457
01:22:00,360 --> 01:22:04,400
Speaker 1: anywhere near reach our standards of excellence and at least,

1458
01:22:04,439 --> 01:22:06,400
Speaker 1: I mean, you do know more about Amelia than you

1459
01:22:06,479 --> 01:22:08,920
Speaker 1: know about miss Minchin, Like she has more of like

1460
01:22:09,040 --> 01:22:11,160
Speaker 1: we know more about her personal life and like her

1461
01:22:11,320 --> 01:22:15,040
Speaker 1: feelings and thoughts and context for them than for her sister.

1462
01:22:15,439 --> 01:22:19,200
Speaker 1: Of the main thing or one of the main things

1463
01:22:19,280 --> 01:22:23,439
Speaker 1: that you know about Amelia is her like fawning over

1464
01:22:23,680 --> 01:22:27,800
Speaker 1: a man. That's true, I mean, but we also know

1465
01:22:27,920 --> 01:22:29,880
Speaker 1: she hates her job, like I don't know, we see

1466
01:22:29,920 --> 01:22:32,559
Speaker 1: her as a person who like, Okay, so since we've

1467
01:22:32,560 --> 01:22:34,840
Speaker 1: been Game of Throne saying, just batting it in over

1468
01:22:34,920 --> 01:22:38,000
Speaker 1: the place, my girl, brand A Tarth gets late, like

1469
01:22:38,479 --> 01:22:41,960
Speaker 1: not anywhere on her to do list, right, but she

1470
01:22:42,280 --> 01:22:45,560
Speaker 1: finds herself falling for a guy. Then next day, dude's like,

1471
01:22:46,160 --> 01:22:47,640
Speaker 1: so I'm actually still in love with my sister. I

1472
01:22:47,680 --> 01:22:50,639
Speaker 1: gotta go back home and deal with that. And she cries,

1473
01:22:50,760 --> 01:22:52,720
Speaker 1: and it's like the whole internet like it's having like

1474
01:22:52,760 --> 01:22:56,040
Speaker 1: a very divided meltdown of whether like these tears are okay.

1475
01:22:56,520 --> 01:23:00,320
Speaker 1: I think when you put women who present differ really

1476
01:23:00,600 --> 01:23:03,000
Speaker 1: in situations of love and allow them to be soft

1477
01:23:03,320 --> 01:23:06,040
Speaker 1: that it's a blessing because I know certainly I didn't

1478
01:23:06,040 --> 01:23:07,479
Speaker 1: see a lot of that growing up. Like if you

1479
01:23:07,520 --> 01:23:09,280
Speaker 1: were tough, you were just tough all the way through

1480
01:23:09,360 --> 01:23:10,840
Speaker 1: and no man could ever get to you, and you

1481
01:23:10,920 --> 01:23:14,080
Speaker 1: did not need love. That's not like a realistic like

1482
01:23:14,200 --> 01:23:16,880
Speaker 1: situation for many people. Some people do desire love, and

1483
01:23:16,960 --> 01:23:18,880
Speaker 1: I don't think that I should always fall back to that.

1484
01:23:18,960 --> 01:23:21,679
Speaker 1: And I do think for both Brianne and for Amelia

1485
01:23:22,000 --> 01:23:25,720
Speaker 1: that there were opportunities for better representation. That being said,

1486
01:23:25,760 --> 01:23:28,760
Speaker 1: Like Amelia got her dude, like she like got to

1487
01:23:28,880 --> 01:23:30,920
Speaker 1: fall in love, and it was something that that character

1488
01:23:31,040 --> 01:23:34,600
Speaker 1: clearly wouldn't allow herself to think about before. And so

1489
01:23:34,880 --> 01:23:36,640
Speaker 1: to see her be in love, to see her come

1490
01:23:36,680 --> 01:23:38,320
Speaker 1: to terms of that, and then to see her go

1491
01:23:38,560 --> 01:23:41,360
Speaker 1: for it, like, that's a cool story arc that frequent

1492
01:23:41,920 --> 01:23:43,360
Speaker 1: and for the most part not be made fun of

1493
01:23:43,479 --> 01:23:46,920
Speaker 1: for it. Uh think it's really beautiful. Really had to

1494
01:23:46,920 --> 01:23:50,320
Speaker 1: squeeze it in, didn't you help yourself? That's a great point. Yeah,

1495
01:23:50,360 --> 01:23:52,760
Speaker 1: I am also, and let me know what your thoughts

1496
01:23:52,800 --> 01:23:58,720
Speaker 1: are on this. But um, the way that it is

1497
01:23:58,960 --> 01:24:02,120
Speaker 1: characterized is, I mean, most of the girls at this

1498
01:24:02,200 --> 01:24:08,479
Speaker 1: school are very slim, Guard is a little bigger. She

1499
01:24:09,360 --> 01:24:11,559
Speaker 1: seems to be characterized, at least in the beginning, as

1500
01:24:11,600 --> 01:24:14,960
Speaker 1: like kind of a more pathetic I was worried about

1501
01:24:15,040 --> 01:24:18,519
Speaker 1: that tropes like sleeping in of like token chubby girl

1502
01:24:18,640 --> 01:24:21,640
Speaker 1: who all the other girls are going to make fun of.

1503
01:24:22,280 --> 01:24:23,840
Speaker 1: But then the movie, I don't know, I mean it

1504
01:24:24,040 --> 01:24:27,320
Speaker 1: kind of likes to flash her out more almost any other.

1505
01:24:27,360 --> 01:24:29,240
Speaker 1: I don't know that's true. I mean she she has

1506
01:24:29,360 --> 01:24:31,000
Speaker 1: only picked on by one girl, the girl who picks

1507
01:24:31,040 --> 01:24:34,000
Speaker 1: on literally everybody. So there's that point. I think she

1508
01:24:34,200 --> 01:24:35,840
Speaker 1: is shy, but then they make it not about her

1509
01:24:35,920 --> 01:24:38,080
Speaker 1: body but about her worry that she's not going to

1510
01:24:38,160 --> 01:24:41,960
Speaker 1: please her father and that man. That conversation also brais me.

1511
01:24:42,040 --> 01:24:44,280
Speaker 1: When she she's talks to Sarah about her dad and

1512
01:24:44,560 --> 01:24:46,360
Speaker 1: she was like, you know, he doesn't like being here.

1513
01:24:46,360 --> 01:24:47,880
Speaker 1: He's like, well why would she? He sent you to

1514
01:24:47,920 --> 01:24:49,960
Speaker 1: some place he doesn't like to be and she's like, well,

1515
01:24:50,000 --> 01:24:52,080
Speaker 1: he wants me to fit in and he doesn't feel

1516
01:24:52,120 --> 01:24:55,080
Speaker 1: he can fit in. And to you such kid words

1517
01:24:55,160 --> 01:24:58,200
Speaker 1: for such big grown up ideas of like I want

1518
01:24:58,280 --> 01:25:00,320
Speaker 1: better for you, but also I hate this police and

1519
01:25:00,400 --> 01:25:03,200
Speaker 1: if I become this do we not have a relationship anymore,

1520
01:25:03,640 --> 01:25:05,559
Speaker 1: and she doesn't have any of the words to describe

1521
01:25:06,000 --> 01:25:08,240
Speaker 1: all the things she's feeling, but she's trying, and it

1522
01:25:08,840 --> 01:25:11,160
Speaker 1: is so beautiful. And so I think again, the way

1523
01:25:11,280 --> 01:25:13,680
Speaker 1: the film lets in these little contexts, and the fact

1524
01:25:13,720 --> 01:25:17,080
Speaker 1: that it doesn't give you the answers to everything, it

1525
01:25:17,160 --> 01:25:22,240
Speaker 1: allows for better headcanon representation than maybe what the film's

1526
01:25:22,280 --> 01:25:25,760
Speaker 1: intentions were. I'm gonna keep clinging to it. That's what

1527
01:25:25,880 --> 01:25:33,479
Speaker 1: I had. I stand like, I I wish she could

1528
01:25:33,520 --> 01:25:36,120
Speaker 1: have I wish she could have gone with Sarah and

1529
01:25:36,200 --> 01:25:39,760
Speaker 1: Becky too, because she had a dad. But I also

1530
01:25:39,800 --> 01:25:43,000
Speaker 1: caught myself thinking about the exact take erman Gard with you.

1531
01:25:43,240 --> 01:25:46,280
Speaker 1: She also needs liberation. Yeah, and then her dad is

1532
01:25:46,280 --> 01:25:48,080
Speaker 1: proud of her that she can speak French. So that

1533
01:25:49,200 --> 01:25:52,760
Speaker 1: was nice to see. Yeah, And in general, I mean

1534
01:25:53,720 --> 01:25:59,479
Speaker 1: all the what is this man's role in colonialism? Aside?

1535
01:25:59,880 --> 01:26:03,960
Speaker 1: I liked the relationship between Sarah and her dad. I

1536
01:26:04,040 --> 01:26:06,320
Speaker 1: thought it was like very it was nice to see,

1537
01:26:07,120 --> 01:26:10,200
Speaker 1: you know, just like a positive relationship between a father

1538
01:26:10,280 --> 01:26:14,280
Speaker 1: and I feel like so often, even in movies about princesses,

1539
01:26:14,960 --> 01:26:17,719
Speaker 1: the father and the daughter are at odds about every

1540
01:26:17,840 --> 01:26:21,200
Speaker 1: expectations of her, or like it was nice to just

1541
01:26:21,720 --> 01:26:24,479
Speaker 1: have like the presentation of I mean, he says it

1542
01:26:24,520 --> 01:26:26,320
Speaker 1: in the first scene when the only scene where they're

1543
01:26:26,360 --> 01:26:28,439
Speaker 1: actually in India, where he's just like, I think you

1544
01:26:28,520 --> 01:26:30,800
Speaker 1: can be anything you want to be, or like it's

1545
01:26:30,840 --> 01:26:34,000
Speaker 1: just a very like if you wrote out like stock

1546
01:26:34,640 --> 01:26:38,519
Speaker 1: nice Daddy Davos character, it would be this, and I thought,

1547
01:26:38,520 --> 01:26:40,920
Speaker 1: I thought that was like lovely and gives her a

1548
01:26:40,960 --> 01:26:43,439
Speaker 1: lot of agency to to speak on her own behalf

1549
01:26:43,520 --> 01:26:45,439
Speaker 1: to like in the when they're in the classroom and

1550
01:26:45,760 --> 01:26:48,439
Speaker 1: the teachers like, yeah, you can't wear jewelry, and she

1551
01:26:48,600 --> 01:26:51,000
Speaker 1: like looks her dad and he's like, what do you

1552
01:26:51,040 --> 01:26:53,479
Speaker 1: want to do kids, because like, yeah, I do insist

1553
01:26:53,560 --> 01:26:56,479
Speaker 1: on keeping it. And before then he just he always

1554
01:26:56,479 --> 01:27:00,479
Speaker 1: allows her this sort of space to just be herself,

1555
01:27:00,600 --> 01:27:03,400
Speaker 1: so that again it's sort of believable that she feels

1556
01:27:03,439 --> 01:27:06,400
Speaker 1: sort of like a little adult because she you know,

1557
01:27:06,680 --> 01:27:09,880
Speaker 1: she's the one constantly comforting him already, it's like, what

1558
01:27:09,960 --> 01:27:11,920
Speaker 1: do you do rememorizing me by heart? She's like, I

1559
01:27:12,080 --> 01:27:14,599
Speaker 1: know you by her Daddy, I'm gonna be okay, You've

1560
01:27:14,600 --> 01:27:19,400
Speaker 1: got to go to war because she his wife. That's

1561
01:27:19,400 --> 01:27:23,839
Speaker 1: get a little promised me. At points, I'm like, yikes,

1562
01:27:25,040 --> 01:27:28,439
Speaker 1: maybe dad needs to find a wife. Like she's taking

1563
01:27:28,479 --> 01:27:34,519
Speaker 1: on but overall charming. And I don't know if you

1564
01:27:34,520 --> 01:27:38,720
Speaker 1: guys are Daddy's girls either, and I certainly amps are

1565
01:27:39,200 --> 01:27:42,080
Speaker 1: very tight. But he would never allow me to be

1566
01:27:42,160 --> 01:27:43,960
Speaker 1: a princess. He was like, I don't know what any

1567
01:27:44,000 --> 01:27:46,880
Speaker 1: of that garbage is, but take that too on time,

1568
01:27:47,080 --> 01:27:49,200
Speaker 1: move the lawn like some dishes, and maybe we'll like

1569
01:27:49,200 --> 01:27:52,599
Speaker 1: watch a movie after work at the hockey rank, Jamie.

1570
01:27:54,320 --> 01:27:56,880
Speaker 1: But it is nice to see you, like a single dad,

1571
01:27:57,200 --> 01:28:00,720
Speaker 1: like be able to like connect with his daughter in

1572
01:28:00,840 --> 01:28:03,040
Speaker 1: a in a way that we usually don't see in

1573
01:28:03,160 --> 01:28:05,920
Speaker 1: movies because usually I'm thinking of like, um, a league

1574
01:28:05,960 --> 01:28:09,479
Speaker 1: of their own. We're like the one dad, like the

1575
01:28:09,600 --> 01:28:14,720
Speaker 1: single dad raised his daughter like a boy basically because

1576
01:28:14,760 --> 01:28:17,519
Speaker 1: he's like I don't know how to do girls stuff.

1577
01:28:17,920 --> 01:28:21,960
Speaker 1: So she boyd now I am dad. We don't know

1578
01:28:22,120 --> 01:28:26,080
Speaker 1: what to dad dode but yeah, so it's like he's

1579
01:28:26,120 --> 01:28:30,599
Speaker 1: like embracing the femininity that she wants to display at

1580
01:28:30,680 --> 01:28:32,479
Speaker 1: that time in her life. And he's like, yeah, you

1581
01:28:32,560 --> 01:28:34,760
Speaker 1: are our princess, and yeah, but you can be whatever

1582
01:28:34,800 --> 01:28:39,200
Speaker 1: you want to be. Yeah. It was really it warmed

1583
01:28:39,479 --> 01:28:44,599
Speaker 1: my frigid heart. I thought it was so nice. Does

1584
01:28:44,640 --> 01:28:49,519
Speaker 1: anyone have any other thoughts about the movie? I will

1585
01:28:49,600 --> 01:28:54,600
Speaker 1: say that in the alleyway, when um we're seeing the

1586
01:28:55,439 --> 01:28:59,920
Speaker 1: chimney sweep, there is a cat. That cat has eight nipple?

1587
01:29:00,720 --> 01:29:04,559
Speaker 1: Can we also love Daddy Davos to death? But how

1588
01:29:04,800 --> 01:29:08,160
Speaker 1: amazing would Freddie Wilina have been in the dead role?

1589
01:29:08,560 --> 01:29:11,320
Speaker 1: He would have been. I mean he used British, so

1590
01:29:11,840 --> 01:29:16,360
Speaker 1: he's very kind you. I've like, maybe I just want

1591
01:29:16,400 --> 01:29:19,360
Speaker 1: to hear him say you're a little princess. Maybe I

1592
01:29:19,479 --> 01:29:21,639
Speaker 1: just want that audio clip out there in the world.

1593
01:29:21,720 --> 01:29:25,200
Speaker 1: I don't know. He would have been incredible in that role.

1594
01:29:25,320 --> 01:29:28,280
Speaker 1: Like genuinely, I hope he was approached and was like, sorry,

1595
01:29:28,520 --> 01:29:31,960
Speaker 1: I'm preparing for Spider Man two ten years from now.

1596
01:29:32,920 --> 01:29:35,759
Speaker 1: He was like, I need a long time to figure

1597
01:29:35,800 --> 01:29:37,800
Speaker 1: out this role. I mean, I have to play Dot.

1598
01:29:38,080 --> 01:29:41,560
Speaker 1: And in the same year was that when Like Species

1599
01:29:41,680 --> 01:29:44,760
Speaker 1: came out. Okay, this is actually a critical part of

1600
01:29:44,800 --> 01:29:48,000
Speaker 1: the show. What was he in What was he doing?

1601
01:29:48,439 --> 01:29:50,280
Speaker 1: Maybe he was doing theater, Okay, he was in something

1602
01:29:50,320 --> 01:29:53,519
Speaker 1: called Nervous Energy, he was in something called Hideaway, he

1603
01:29:53,640 --> 01:29:56,360
Speaker 1: was in something called Scorpion Spring. He was in something

1604
01:29:56,439 --> 01:29:58,799
Speaker 1: called dead Man. He was in something called the Perez

1605
01:29:58,880 --> 01:30:02,760
Speaker 1: Family Man. He wasn't something called the Steel. He wasn't

1606
01:30:02,800 --> 01:30:08,600
Speaker 1: species that year. Yeah, so you know he apparently he

1607
01:30:08,720 --> 01:30:14,080
Speaker 1: had tons of ship very busy. My goodness, damn paying

1608
01:30:14,200 --> 01:30:18,760
Speaker 1: the bills in nine Molina, so many questions about where

1609
01:30:18,800 --> 01:30:22,200
Speaker 1: this Molina of such a god. He's just so handsome.

1610
01:30:22,640 --> 01:30:24,760
Speaker 1: I will not deny. And then and then we later

1611
01:30:24,800 --> 01:30:28,720
Speaker 1: found out also woke because i'minist icon. Yes, I mean,

1612
01:30:28,800 --> 01:30:33,880
Speaker 1: did you see that scary kaleidoscope Vagina? He posted? Loved it,

1613
01:30:34,120 --> 01:30:40,080
Speaker 1: hated it, I don't know. It was the ultimate older

1614
01:30:40,200 --> 01:30:42,800
Speaker 1: gentleman ally move where you're like, this is actually a

1615
01:30:42,880 --> 01:30:46,160
Speaker 1: bit much. But I appreciate where you're coming from seeing

1616
01:30:46,200 --> 01:30:50,640
Speaker 1: my Laurence Fishburn obsession, and I really value and appreciate

1617
01:30:50,760 --> 01:30:53,920
Speaker 1: your love of Molina. I hope Molina and Fishburn are friends.

1618
01:30:53,960 --> 01:30:56,840
Speaker 1: I feel like they're like they're such character actors. I

1619
01:30:57,280 --> 01:31:01,320
Speaker 1: just assume all character actors are friends. Why wouldn't they

1620
01:31:01,400 --> 01:31:08,040
Speaker 1: be like the same talent bond over it? True, fish Brandon, Melina,

1621
01:31:10,000 --> 01:31:13,600
Speaker 1: it's better than most of the candidates we have. We

1622
01:31:13,680 --> 01:31:18,760
Speaker 1: have to overlook that Alfa Millina is fully British. Hey,

1623
01:31:18,840 --> 01:31:22,439
Speaker 1: speaking of talking about men or not. Does this movie

1624
01:31:22,479 --> 01:31:27,920
Speaker 1: pass the backtel tests all over the damn place? It does. Yes,

1625
01:31:28,040 --> 01:31:33,200
Speaker 1: many combos, many different conversations. Hard yes on that. Yeah,

1626
01:31:33,560 --> 01:31:36,479
Speaker 1: let's write it on our nipple scale five nipples based

1627
01:31:36,520 --> 01:31:40,960
Speaker 1: on its representation and portrayal of women. I think I'm

1628
01:31:40,960 --> 01:31:45,160
Speaker 1: going to go like three and a half. I feel

1629
01:31:45,200 --> 01:31:47,880
Speaker 1: like we have fully thanked when its to nipples at

1630
01:31:47,960 --> 01:31:51,040
Speaker 1: this point. Yeah, because there's a lot of good things

1631
01:31:51,080 --> 01:31:53,360
Speaker 1: that this movie is doing. You know, it's a very

1632
01:31:53,400 --> 01:31:58,479
Speaker 1: female driven story. It shows a young girl like using

1633
01:31:58,560 --> 01:32:06,080
Speaker 1: the privilege that she has to empower other people, specifically Becky,

1634
01:32:06,479 --> 01:32:09,760
Speaker 1: and that does get into you know, white savior territory.

1635
01:32:10,520 --> 01:32:14,080
Speaker 1: And you know there are some like mean girl characters

1636
01:32:14,120 --> 01:32:17,360
Speaker 1: who seem to be mean for no reason or like

1637
01:32:17,520 --> 01:32:20,560
Speaker 1: their characterization is kind of glossed over. But you have

1638
01:32:20,800 --> 01:32:23,720
Speaker 1: enough other different personality types and the other girls that

1639
01:32:23,880 --> 01:32:26,000
Speaker 1: it's not at all like, oh, all girls are pitted

1640
01:32:26,000 --> 01:32:28,400
Speaker 1: against each other anything like that. So you have like,

1641
01:32:28,560 --> 01:32:33,720
Speaker 1: what are several very healthy relationships between girls. So that

1642
01:32:34,120 --> 01:32:38,719
Speaker 1: is very nice to see. There are some weird things

1643
01:32:39,200 --> 01:32:44,920
Speaker 1: about how Indian culture and people are depicted thing and

1644
01:32:45,120 --> 01:32:49,160
Speaker 1: and triple a million thanks to Paula v for uh

1645
01:32:49,600 --> 01:32:51,840
Speaker 1: for giving us some contexts for that. She'll be back

1646
01:32:51,960 --> 01:32:56,360
Speaker 1: for a dark Night episode Watch Out every Yes, thank

1647
01:32:56,400 --> 01:32:59,679
Speaker 1: you so much to her for her insight. And then yeah,

1648
01:32:59,720 --> 01:33:03,519
Speaker 1: other little things here and there where you know, there's

1649
01:33:03,640 --> 01:33:06,920
Speaker 1: like that fat joke that they didn't need to do

1650
01:33:07,160 --> 01:33:10,120
Speaker 1: and then they did it, you know, different things like that.

1651
01:33:10,320 --> 01:33:12,240
Speaker 1: But yeah, I would say a solid three and a half.

1652
01:33:12,840 --> 01:33:18,200
Speaker 1: I'll give one nipple to Guard, I'll give one nipple

1653
01:33:18,320 --> 01:33:22,120
Speaker 1: to Amelia, mentioned I'll give my remaining one and a

1654
01:33:22,120 --> 01:33:26,800
Speaker 1: half nipples to Becky. Yeah, I'm going to go three

1655
01:33:26,840 --> 01:33:29,439
Speaker 1: and a half as well. Uh, for basically all the reasons.

1656
01:33:29,479 --> 01:33:31,280
Speaker 1: I mean, there's a lot of examples that I think

1657
01:33:31,280 --> 01:33:34,679
Speaker 1: we've talked about at this point of things getting close

1658
01:33:34,920 --> 01:33:37,760
Speaker 1: and then either petering out at the end, or like

1659
01:33:37,920 --> 01:33:40,960
Speaker 1: with Amelia, like you're like, oh, we've got we've got

1660
01:33:41,080 --> 01:33:43,640
Speaker 1: a story arc for a fat character and it's like

1661
01:33:44,040 --> 01:33:46,280
Speaker 1: but then it's sold out at the last minute, or

1662
01:33:46,320 --> 01:33:48,360
Speaker 1: like there's a lot of little examples of that, Like

1663
01:33:48,479 --> 01:33:52,880
Speaker 1: there's no excuse adaptation wise that we shouldn't know more

1664
01:33:53,000 --> 01:33:56,400
Speaker 1: about Becky and that she shouldn't be like grounded in

1665
01:33:56,479 --> 01:34:00,400
Speaker 1: her own story. It would only help literally everything, um,

1666
01:34:00,840 --> 01:34:04,920
Speaker 1: everything that Francis Hodgson Burnett put pen to paper on

1667
01:34:05,040 --> 01:34:10,840
Speaker 1: in regards to India is cuckoo. And uh, there's a

1668
01:34:10,920 --> 01:34:14,600
Speaker 1: lot of bad tropes that play there that again, like

1669
01:34:14,880 --> 01:34:18,160
Speaker 1: adaptation wise and this movie, it should be mentioned was

1670
01:34:18,680 --> 01:34:21,200
Speaker 1: there there are two writers, one of them as a woman,

1671
01:34:21,680 --> 01:34:25,439
Speaker 1: which is you know, good and and never happens, so

1672
01:34:25,600 --> 01:34:28,600
Speaker 1: that's positive, but there were there were a lot of

1673
01:34:28,880 --> 01:34:32,080
Speaker 1: issues with the source material that could have been improved

1674
01:34:32,200 --> 01:34:36,439
Speaker 1: upon in the adaptation that just didn't happen, which is

1675
01:34:36,640 --> 01:34:39,680
Speaker 1: disappointing because it is a beautiful movie with a lot

1676
01:34:39,760 --> 01:34:44,200
Speaker 1: of great messages and anytime there's like a group of

1677
01:34:44,760 --> 01:34:48,480
Speaker 1: girls who are like supporting each other and it's not antagonistic,

1678
01:34:49,000 --> 01:34:50,840
Speaker 1: and even when it is, it's resolved, and like it

1679
01:34:50,960 --> 01:34:55,519
Speaker 1: just felt it felt very wholesome and lovely and I

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Speaker 1: liked it. I like that and I like that there's

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Speaker 1: no reason the green, And honestly, just like I had

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Speaker 1: such an exhale and I was like, I'm in as

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Speaker 1: much as I love picking things to death, what really

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Speaker 1: if that there was no reason for the green? I

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Speaker 1: would have explained it nothing, you know, it would have

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Speaker 1: been terrible in the esplanation other than I just wanted

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Speaker 1: it that way. You would have been like, I don't

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Speaker 1: need any of this, like David and Dvy explaining things

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Speaker 1: after game of throws, like that's not why any of

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Speaker 1: the things happened. And if it is, I'm so disappointed

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Speaker 1: and just there. It's just what it is. And so

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Speaker 1: to all you wee blye bloggers out there fifteen years ago,

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Speaker 1: you were wrong. It's about fucking nothing. So I love

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Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, three and a half nips. I'll give

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Speaker 1: two to Becky, one to Amelia, and then I'll give

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Speaker 1: the last half to Alfonso's son, a little sweep set.

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Speaker 1: I will also go through and a half because it

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Speaker 1: just feels right. It's just it's appropriate. I'm just gonna

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Speaker 1: give all of mine to Becky, literally, all the love

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Speaker 1: and joy. I've never seen a person of color in

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Speaker 1: a historical drama before this. I remember that I was young,

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Speaker 1: and then when I did, it was so often slavery.

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Speaker 1: Amasad came out, and long after this saw that theaters horrifying,

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Speaker 1: really triggering experience. Don't take your eight year old to

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Speaker 1: see it, um, and she just so so full of

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Speaker 1: love and trying and just a desire to make a connection.

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Speaker 1: And girl I could identify many many A year later

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Speaker 1: in seven, when I started my first grade year, it

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Speaker 1: was horrible. Um, but Becky and depictions of Becky we're great.

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Speaker 1: And I also want to thank you guys because I

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Speaker 1: always get on my dad about watching old movies, but like,

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Speaker 1: doesn't this bother you? Look at these racist depictions, like

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01:36:44,479 --> 01:36:46,800
Speaker 1: these are the movies of my childhood. How dare you

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Speaker 1: try to rip them away? And I'm like old man,

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Speaker 1: so stupid defending this movie like it's my life, right,

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01:36:53,439 --> 01:36:56,760
Speaker 1: because no, it's fine, everything's cool, like closs over it

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Speaker 1: to the good stuff. Um. And so you know now

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Speaker 1: we're close, sir. Yeah, I understand his perspective. So yeah,

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Speaker 1: oh well, thank you so much for joining us. And

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Speaker 1: wherein Yes, go to Twitter. I live there at least

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Speaker 1: sixteen hours a day. You'll be able to contact me

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Speaker 1: on Twitter's at Joel Monique or um. If you're so inclined,

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Speaker 1: you could go to I G. I'm trying to Instagram

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Speaker 1: story more. I don't. It's not intuitive for me, but

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Speaker 1: that's Joel underscore. Bonique also visit me over at paste

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Speaker 1: am Pajaibo, where I do the weekly content, the movies

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