1 00:00:05,720 --> 00:00:08,520 Speaker 1: Hey, welcome into All Ball. I'm Doug Gottli. Thanks so 2 00:00:08,600 --> 00:00:12,480 Speaker 1: much for uh making this a part of your podcast 3 00:00:12,560 --> 00:00:15,560 Speaker 1: listening to day or podcast listening week. We're gonna get 4 00:00:15,560 --> 00:00:19,239 Speaker 1: you ready for the NBA Draft, which of course is 5 00:00:19,600 --> 00:00:22,960 Speaker 1: this Thursday night. And you can follow me on Twitter 6 00:00:23,560 --> 00:00:26,119 Speaker 1: as well as I'll be posting some things on Instagram 7 00:00:26,120 --> 00:00:28,840 Speaker 1: and on Facebook. I've got a chance to talk to 8 00:00:28,880 --> 00:00:32,159 Speaker 1: a bunch of NBA people and um talk to some 9 00:00:32,280 --> 00:00:35,680 Speaker 1: agents as well, some coaches, some front office people, all 10 00:00:35,680 --> 00:00:40,080 Speaker 1: of whom have given me a variety of uh perspectives 11 00:00:40,159 --> 00:00:43,600 Speaker 1: on what we can expect to see this Thursday. You know, 12 00:00:43,640 --> 00:00:46,879 Speaker 1: it's interesting because there are some people that believe this 13 00:00:47,000 --> 00:00:49,599 Speaker 1: is just gonna be an okay draft. If you look 14 00:00:49,640 --> 00:00:51,800 Speaker 1: back at last year, I'm not sure there was a 15 00:00:51,800 --> 00:00:54,400 Speaker 1: ton of hype at the top of the draft that 16 00:00:54,560 --> 00:00:57,200 Speaker 1: matched the hype at the top of this year's draft. 17 00:00:57,240 --> 00:00:59,480 Speaker 1: I actually think this is a pretty darn good draft. 18 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:05,200 Speaker 1: We should have a bevy of starters, bevy of rotation players, 19 00:01:05,280 --> 00:01:07,920 Speaker 1: and then some intriguing prospects that could be very much 20 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:12,640 Speaker 1: hit or very much miss um. And look, I I 21 00:01:12,640 --> 00:01:16,240 Speaker 1: think there's a lot of different topics talking topics, but here, 22 00:01:16,280 --> 00:01:20,880 Speaker 1: to me are the three. Most interesting. One is do 23 00:01:20,959 --> 00:01:25,119 Speaker 1: you pass on DeAndre Ayton at number one or even 24 00:01:25,160 --> 00:01:27,679 Speaker 1: in the top two or three, Not because you don't 25 00:01:27,680 --> 00:01:31,319 Speaker 1: have him as that highly rated a prospect, but because 26 00:01:31,360 --> 00:01:35,480 Speaker 1: he plays a position to which um is kind of 27 00:01:35,480 --> 00:01:39,240 Speaker 1: being eliminated. It's not that the center position is being eliminated, 28 00:01:39,240 --> 00:01:42,960 Speaker 1: but the type of center that that he is is 29 00:01:43,080 --> 00:01:47,440 Speaker 1: being marginalized in anyways. Now he's mobile, he can shoot 30 00:01:47,480 --> 00:01:52,320 Speaker 1: the basketball. Um. It's not that he is terrible defensively, 31 00:01:52,360 --> 00:01:55,640 Speaker 1: but he's not a game changer defensively, either latterly defending 32 00:01:55,840 --> 00:01:59,000 Speaker 1: on switches or at the rim. So with that in mind, 33 00:01:59,080 --> 00:02:02,720 Speaker 1: he's he's or of a traditional big guy in an 34 00:02:02,760 --> 00:02:04,720 Speaker 1: era in which the traditional big guy is going the 35 00:02:04,760 --> 00:02:07,720 Speaker 1: way of the Dodo. There's also the other issue that 36 00:02:07,720 --> 00:02:10,200 Speaker 1: you're going to run into, which is what did we 37 00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:13,280 Speaker 1: actually see him against? All right, think about it for 38 00:02:13,280 --> 00:02:17,399 Speaker 1: a second. We saw him again as he was Daniel Monte. 39 00:02:17,560 --> 00:02:21,840 Speaker 1: I mean, I love and respect ran for Scilla from ESPN, 40 00:02:21,840 --> 00:02:24,320 Speaker 1: who's covered the draft for a long time, and he's like, 41 00:02:24,320 --> 00:02:26,919 Speaker 1: look I saw him against Arizona State, Dude. Arizona State 42 00:02:26,919 --> 00:02:29,160 Speaker 1: has his own big guys. They played small ball. Of 43 00:02:29,200 --> 00:02:33,160 Speaker 1: course he looked he looked like Billy Madison playing dodgeball. 44 00:02:33,200 --> 00:02:36,720 Speaker 1: That's what it looked like. He's a man among boys. 45 00:02:36,760 --> 00:02:39,520 Speaker 1: So we'll get back to that. We have some Gasle'll 46 00:02:39,560 --> 00:02:42,080 Speaker 1: join us, we'll have that conversation. I do want to 47 00:02:42,080 --> 00:02:45,639 Speaker 1: have the conversation about about Trey Young and whether or 48 00:02:45,639 --> 00:02:49,679 Speaker 1: not he's closer to Steph Curry or closer to Jim 49 00:02:49,760 --> 00:02:53,160 Speaker 1: or for debt and what we can expect from a 50 00:02:53,160 --> 00:02:55,359 Speaker 1: guy who had an incredible year. And you can sit 51 00:02:55,400 --> 00:02:58,880 Speaker 1: there and pick apart. Is shooting percentages are awful from 52 00:02:58,880 --> 00:03:01,640 Speaker 1: February one on, they or his team got worse, didn't 53 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:04,760 Speaker 1: get better. That's that's accurate. But he did in fact 54 00:03:04,840 --> 00:03:07,280 Speaker 1: lead the country and scoring an assist as a freshman. 55 00:03:07,320 --> 00:03:11,440 Speaker 1: And it's really really hard to get what's the right 56 00:03:11,680 --> 00:03:14,760 Speaker 1: perception of him, what's the right view of him. We'll 57 00:03:14,760 --> 00:03:17,800 Speaker 1: get to that, but here's the one I want to 58 00:03:17,840 --> 00:03:20,920 Speaker 1: get to. And Jeff Goodman, who just left ESPNS going 59 00:03:20,919 --> 00:03:22,919 Speaker 1: to satellite. We talked a little bit on his podcast. 60 00:03:22,960 --> 00:03:25,240 Speaker 1: We'll talk a little bit more here on mine, which 61 00:03:25,320 --> 00:03:31,839 Speaker 1: is we have created we have created a generation of 62 00:03:31,840 --> 00:03:35,400 Speaker 1: of cyborg basketball players. That's the best word I can 63 00:03:35,480 --> 00:03:40,400 Speaker 1: think of to describe some of these guys cyborg basketball players. 64 00:03:41,440 --> 00:03:46,960 Speaker 1: Um a cyborg is uh is where you're both organic 65 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:50,360 Speaker 1: and biometric in body parts. I mean that in that 66 00:03:50,520 --> 00:03:54,360 Speaker 1: these guys are not real human beings. I'm not sure 67 00:03:54,360 --> 00:03:58,360 Speaker 1: if you saw or read or heard the comments from 68 00:03:58,440 --> 00:04:00,760 Speaker 1: DeAndre Ayton, who's probably gonn me that I'm one overall 69 00:04:00,800 --> 00:04:04,200 Speaker 1: pick in which he said that he has these three 70 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:09,600 Speaker 1: kind of alternative personalities that he uses anytime he doesn't 71 00:04:09,600 --> 00:04:13,360 Speaker 1: want to do an interview. You know, one's name is Eric, 72 00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:15,480 Speaker 1: I can't remember. The other two's name doesn't really matter. 73 00:04:15,560 --> 00:04:18,400 Speaker 1: The point is this that that's actually something he uttered. 74 00:04:18,440 --> 00:04:21,560 Speaker 1: He was asked about why he signed with Puma, and 75 00:04:21,600 --> 00:04:24,279 Speaker 1: he basically said it was a business decision. You know, 76 00:04:24,360 --> 00:04:26,440 Speaker 1: he didn't say anything about the quality of the shoes 77 00:04:26,520 --> 00:04:28,440 Speaker 1: or about the look of it. And it doesn't mean 78 00:04:28,440 --> 00:04:31,480 Speaker 1: that it's not true. It's just like the interview thing. 79 00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:33,240 Speaker 1: It doesn't mean that it's not true that you don't 80 00:04:33,279 --> 00:04:34,800 Speaker 1: try and go to a different place and try and 81 00:04:34,839 --> 00:04:37,560 Speaker 1: be a different person because you get tired of doing interviews. 82 00:04:37,600 --> 00:04:40,920 Speaker 1: It's just who in their right mind would say that. 83 00:04:42,360 --> 00:04:45,840 Speaker 1: And the answer is guys that don't have real emotional 84 00:04:45,880 --> 00:04:49,680 Speaker 1: intelligence and don't understand how the world's gonna take them. 85 00:04:49,760 --> 00:04:53,000 Speaker 1: And look, I will blame some of this on the system. 86 00:04:53,240 --> 00:04:55,000 Speaker 1: And by system, I don't mean the n c A, 87 00:04:55,040 --> 00:04:56,920 Speaker 1: that's what most of you blame it on. I mean 88 00:04:56,920 --> 00:05:00,200 Speaker 1: the system of he comes over with his family from 89 00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:04,200 Speaker 1: the Bahamas, and he ends up leaving his family home 90 00:05:04,240 --> 00:05:07,400 Speaker 1: and he's basically like a like a foster child, only 91 00:05:07,880 --> 00:05:11,920 Speaker 1: his parents still wanted him. But he's basketball vagabond, bouncing 92 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:15,520 Speaker 1: from home to home in order to play uh for 93 00:05:15,560 --> 00:05:20,279 Speaker 1: fake high schools, and then he's reunited with his family, 94 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:24,000 Speaker 1: but by then you know he he was. He was 95 00:05:24,080 --> 00:05:26,560 Speaker 1: just in the business of playing basketball like he's not 96 00:05:26,600 --> 00:05:29,280 Speaker 1: a He was never a kid. He was never allowed 97 00:05:29,320 --> 00:05:31,240 Speaker 1: to just be a kid. He was never allowed to 98 00:05:31,320 --> 00:05:34,359 Speaker 1: kind of succeed or fail. He's never allowed to go 99 00:05:34,440 --> 00:05:37,839 Speaker 1: to regular high school. Like these things do work for people. 100 00:05:37,960 --> 00:05:43,080 Speaker 1: We do realize that it's okay for a seven foot 101 00:05:43,160 --> 00:05:46,200 Speaker 1: tall freak athlete who's gonna play in the NBA to 102 00:05:46,240 --> 00:05:49,000 Speaker 1: just play in a regular high school team, like it's okay, 103 00:05:49,080 --> 00:05:50,680 Speaker 1: And you might say to yourself, yeah, but then they'll 104 00:05:50,680 --> 00:05:54,440 Speaker 1: play two three the hand like, okay, fine, he might 105 00:05:54,480 --> 00:05:58,599 Speaker 1: not win every game. Anthony Davis, by the way, for 106 00:05:58,640 --> 00:06:00,360 Speaker 1: people who don't know, played out one of the worst 107 00:06:00,440 --> 00:06:04,680 Speaker 1: high school teams in recent memory. Anthony Davis Now, he 108 00:06:04,720 --> 00:06:07,320 Speaker 1: grew late, but it also allowed him to kind of 109 00:06:07,360 --> 00:06:10,480 Speaker 1: explore and his game as his body kind of developed. 110 00:06:11,279 --> 00:06:14,279 Speaker 1: I just or then you look at Michael Porter Jr. 111 00:06:14,320 --> 00:06:19,159 Speaker 1: Who said he's somewhere around Janice as a player. He 112 00:06:19,160 --> 00:06:22,120 Speaker 1: feels like he's more like Tracy McGrady. And if you 113 00:06:22,200 --> 00:06:25,400 Speaker 1: talk to NBA people, they'll all tell you, like, I 114 00:06:25,480 --> 00:06:28,560 Speaker 1: just I don't like him. I don't like him. It's 115 00:06:28,600 --> 00:06:32,880 Speaker 1: not that he's a bad kid like gangbanger, doesn't do drugs, um. 116 00:06:32,920 --> 00:06:36,080 Speaker 1: It's sound an issue like that. He just unlikable, hasn't 117 00:06:36,120 --> 00:06:42,840 Speaker 1: been coached, kind of elite, elitist, arrogant um. You know, 118 00:06:42,960 --> 00:06:45,799 Speaker 1: he thinks his ship doesn't stink. And he's never, dudes, 119 00:06:45,839 --> 00:06:51,719 Speaker 1: played two college basketball games two ever in his life. 120 00:06:52,520 --> 00:06:56,360 Speaker 1: And I guess maybe that's where the comparison comes, when 121 00:06:57,760 --> 00:07:02,600 Speaker 1: when he's talking himself up and he's discussing how great 122 00:07:02,640 --> 00:07:05,760 Speaker 1: he is in comparison to Tracey McGrady, who, of course 123 00:07:06,360 --> 00:07:10,920 Speaker 1: Tracey McGrady never played in college. I guess um, it's 124 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:13,559 Speaker 1: just a weird thing to say. It's just the idea 125 00:07:13,640 --> 00:07:17,600 Speaker 1: that you would have no real understanding of how how 126 00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:21,040 Speaker 1: you would be taken, how how people would feel when 127 00:07:21,040 --> 00:07:23,320 Speaker 1: you would say this, Like, it's just not that hard 128 00:07:23,760 --> 00:07:25,920 Speaker 1: to be coached to say when somebody asked you who 129 00:07:25,960 --> 00:07:29,520 Speaker 1: you're like, I would love someday, Well, I would love 130 00:07:29,600 --> 00:07:34,600 Speaker 1: someday to be like Tracy McGrady. That's what I'd like someday. 131 00:07:34,680 --> 00:07:36,440 Speaker 1: That's who in my game. Or I'd love to be 132 00:07:36,520 --> 00:07:39,000 Speaker 1: a mix of. If I work hard enough, maybe one 133 00:07:39,080 --> 00:07:42,000 Speaker 1: day I could be like a Janice, like a Tracy McGrady, 134 00:07:42,280 --> 00:07:46,840 Speaker 1: somewhere in between the two. This is a basketball player, 135 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:52,600 Speaker 1: Michael Porter Jr. Who played in three games three three 136 00:07:53,480 --> 00:07:57,440 Speaker 1: his entire career. He scored thirty points in college basketball. 137 00:07:58,720 --> 00:08:01,360 Speaker 1: He's ten of thirty from the yield, seven of twenty, 138 00:08:01,800 --> 00:08:04,320 Speaker 1: three of ten from three point range, seven and nine 139 00:08:04,360 --> 00:08:06,720 Speaker 1: from you get the point. He had one assist in 140 00:08:06,880 --> 00:08:10,040 Speaker 1: three games. I'm not gonna make any statement about who 141 00:08:10,120 --> 00:08:11,720 Speaker 1: he is or what he is. All I'm gonna tell 142 00:08:11,760 --> 00:08:16,240 Speaker 1: you is, please don't say you're honest or Tracey like. 143 00:08:16,240 --> 00:08:18,240 Speaker 1: I don't think Trace McGrady belongs in the Hall of 144 00:08:18,280 --> 00:08:21,880 Speaker 1: Fame because until he was, you know, over the hill 145 00:08:22,640 --> 00:08:24,360 Speaker 1: and the last guy in the bench, he couldn't make 146 00:08:24,400 --> 00:08:26,320 Speaker 1: it out of the first round of the playoffs. That said, 147 00:08:26,720 --> 00:08:31,760 Speaker 1: you're comparing yourself to a Hall of Famer and Janice 148 00:08:32,240 --> 00:08:37,320 Speaker 1: is an m VP candidate. You've played fifty three minutes 149 00:08:37,360 --> 00:08:41,720 Speaker 1: of college basketball. And the reason that Michael Porter Jr. 150 00:08:42,400 --> 00:08:48,000 Speaker 1: In in in completely different fashion, completely different fashion from DeAndre. 151 00:08:48,520 --> 00:08:51,280 Speaker 1: Michael Porter Jr's dad was a coach on the women's 152 00:08:51,320 --> 00:08:55,040 Speaker 1: team at Missouri, very tight knit family, very Christian family, 153 00:08:55,160 --> 00:08:58,679 Speaker 1: very protected family, and basically they wrapped him in a 154 00:08:58,720 --> 00:09:01,120 Speaker 1: bubble so that he wasn't ever around the real world. 155 00:09:03,040 --> 00:09:05,800 Speaker 1: That's not what happened with Trey Young. And like Trey 156 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:07,760 Speaker 1: Young was asking the Dan Patrick Show if you could 157 00:09:07,760 --> 00:09:10,319 Speaker 1: think of of any better shooters and he said maybe 158 00:09:10,480 --> 00:09:16,360 Speaker 1: Clay and Staph Like what who says these things? And 159 00:09:16,559 --> 00:09:19,480 Speaker 1: and I if you're downloading this podcast, you're probably not 160 00:09:19,600 --> 00:09:22,280 Speaker 1: that guy, but you might be. You might think, got lieb, 161 00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:24,079 Speaker 1: you're turning in to get off my long guy. No, 162 00:09:24,160 --> 00:09:27,840 Speaker 1: I'm not. I'm telling you. You walk into an NBA 163 00:09:27,960 --> 00:09:30,520 Speaker 1: locker room and you say that ship and they're gonna 164 00:09:30,600 --> 00:09:35,040 Speaker 1: laugh in your face. They just are. They're gonna sit 165 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:39,640 Speaker 1: there and go, Okay, well, how come you shot from 166 00:09:39,720 --> 00:09:44,440 Speaker 1: three from February on? You know, how come your team 167 00:09:44,600 --> 00:09:47,360 Speaker 1: started losing and you know, you guys are we're falling 168 00:09:47,400 --> 00:09:49,760 Speaker 1: and you can't get up. I've been a tray I 169 00:09:49,880 --> 00:09:52,400 Speaker 1: was a Trey Young defender before he got to Oklahoma. 170 00:09:53,440 --> 00:09:57,520 Speaker 1: But dude, they went eighteen and fourteen. Go back and 171 00:09:57,679 --> 00:10:03,400 Speaker 1: look at what happened to his squaw, you know, I mean, hell, 172 00:10:03,520 --> 00:10:07,000 Speaker 1: even if you go from the new year on, this 173 00:10:07,160 --> 00:10:09,679 Speaker 1: is a great little exercise here, right, you go from 174 00:10:09,880 --> 00:10:13,960 Speaker 1: January three, January three to the end of the season. 175 00:10:15,280 --> 00:10:17,160 Speaker 1: Do you want to notice? And that January three was 176 00:10:17,240 --> 00:10:19,839 Speaker 1: his first game. That's when he took I think it's 177 00:10:19,840 --> 00:10:23,480 Speaker 1: thirty eight shots against Oklahoma State. If you look at 178 00:10:23,760 --> 00:10:28,600 Speaker 1: Trey Young's numbers after February one, his team won two games, 179 00:10:29,400 --> 00:10:33,120 Speaker 1: two both at home, Kansas State, Iowa State. This is 180 00:10:33,160 --> 00:10:36,120 Speaker 1: what he did over the last eleven games of the season. 181 00:10:36,440 --> 00:10:42,800 Speaker 1: He shot thirty six percent from the field from three 182 00:10:42,880 --> 00:10:48,080 Speaker 1: point range. He had seventy nine assists and fifty six turnovers. 183 00:10:48,960 --> 00:10:53,280 Speaker 1: Like look, I like Trey Young. He was way better, 184 00:10:53,480 --> 00:10:57,760 Speaker 1: way earlier than anyone could have hoped. But who has 185 00:10:57,840 --> 00:11:00,240 Speaker 1: the balls to go on Dan Patrick show and say, 186 00:11:00,720 --> 00:11:04,000 Speaker 1: you know, listen, uh, Steph and Claire the only two 187 00:11:04,040 --> 00:11:05,800 Speaker 1: guys who know by Jock as a shooter, Like I 188 00:11:05,960 --> 00:11:08,760 Speaker 1: want you want your kid to be confident. You don't 189 00:11:08,840 --> 00:11:12,480 Speaker 1: want your kids to be arrogant. And even if it wasn't, 190 00:11:12,480 --> 00:11:14,960 Speaker 1: it wasn't tongue planted firmly in cheek, even if you're 191 00:11:14,960 --> 00:11:16,440 Speaker 1: just kind of living up to the moment, like, hey, 192 00:11:16,480 --> 00:11:18,240 Speaker 1: this is what guys do. They talk about themselves. They 193 00:11:18,280 --> 00:11:23,040 Speaker 1: brag about themselves. The inability to relate to everyone else 194 00:11:23,080 --> 00:11:24,880 Speaker 1: in the world and how everyone else is going to 195 00:11:25,000 --> 00:11:28,120 Speaker 1: take that is kind of what's missing. Trey Young, his dad, 196 00:11:28,200 --> 00:11:29,920 Speaker 1: Ray Young, I played against him, was a very good 197 00:11:29,960 --> 00:11:34,520 Speaker 1: player of Texas time, and Trey has been his entire 198 00:11:34,679 --> 00:11:38,920 Speaker 1: life has been kind of molded for this destination that 199 00:11:39,040 --> 00:11:41,040 Speaker 1: he could play in the NBA, that he could be 200 00:11:41,120 --> 00:11:43,440 Speaker 1: a one and done. And I guess they're right right, 201 00:11:43,760 --> 00:11:46,199 Speaker 1: Like they didn't want him. You know, he didn't go 202 00:11:46,240 --> 00:11:49,439 Speaker 1: to Kentucky because cal Perry wasn't sure he was a 203 00:11:49,520 --> 00:11:54,960 Speaker 1: one and done and Kansas wasn't sure. You know they 204 00:11:55,040 --> 00:11:58,200 Speaker 1: had Davonte Graham, they had other players. He would play, 205 00:11:58,480 --> 00:12:01,320 Speaker 1: but he probably wouldn't get the opportunity to put up 206 00:12:01,320 --> 00:12:04,319 Speaker 1: the numbers that he put up at KU And so 207 00:12:04,520 --> 00:12:08,319 Speaker 1: I guess he's right and we're all wrong. On the 208 00:12:08,400 --> 00:12:14,600 Speaker 1: other hand, we've created this system to which guys aren't 209 00:12:14,640 --> 00:12:16,800 Speaker 1: dealing with They're not dealing with the realities of life, 210 00:12:17,200 --> 00:12:20,640 Speaker 1: like you're going to struggle. It's going to be really, 211 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:24,920 Speaker 1: really hard. Those are the there's four players in the NBA, 212 00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:28,800 Speaker 1: there's basically like three NBA players. The rest of the 213 00:12:28,880 --> 00:12:31,720 Speaker 1: guys that got a rotate around whatever call up called 214 00:12:31,760 --> 00:12:35,080 Speaker 1: out two way guys anyway. But even if it's four 215 00:12:35,160 --> 00:12:38,839 Speaker 1: hundred four jobs, they're all coming at you, just like 216 00:12:38,920 --> 00:12:42,439 Speaker 1: they all came at Lonzo Ball. And look, Lonzo Ball 217 00:12:42,559 --> 00:12:46,160 Speaker 1: shot great, shot, very good percentages in college, terrible in 218 00:12:46,240 --> 00:12:49,640 Speaker 1: the pros. His team accomplished more than Trey Young's did, 219 00:12:49,760 --> 00:12:52,840 Speaker 1: and his run wasn't easy. The point is we've created 220 00:12:52,920 --> 00:12:57,040 Speaker 1: this environment to which, um, these guys have a completely 221 00:12:57,120 --> 00:12:59,760 Speaker 1: unreal sense of who they are. That's why let's get 222 00:12:59,800 --> 00:13:03,439 Speaker 1: back to DeAndre. Do I think Etan's good? Yeah? Do 223 00:13:03,520 --> 00:13:06,439 Speaker 1: I think he's a man child of course, but I 224 00:13:06,559 --> 00:13:10,240 Speaker 1: also realized, tell me who the NBA players, the NBA 225 00:13:10,360 --> 00:13:13,559 Speaker 1: bodies he's going against us. It is men against boys. 226 00:13:13,800 --> 00:13:16,640 Speaker 1: If you're big, you're gone. There aren't big There aren't 227 00:13:16,679 --> 00:13:19,760 Speaker 1: old big guys in college basketball that are good at all. 228 00:13:19,840 --> 00:13:23,640 Speaker 1: If you're any good, you're at mobile at all. You know, 229 00:13:24,559 --> 00:13:27,360 Speaker 1: there's the Isaac hass, the Isaac Hosts of the world. 230 00:13:27,400 --> 00:13:29,719 Speaker 1: There's a four year player. I guess the point is 231 00:13:30,120 --> 00:13:33,360 Speaker 1: that if we're comparing DeAndre Ayton and what he did, 232 00:13:33,960 --> 00:13:37,880 Speaker 1: you look at how he struggled against Buffalo. Right, he 233 00:13:37,920 --> 00:13:41,480 Speaker 1: struggled against Buffalo because Buffalo played small ball. So look, 234 00:13:41,520 --> 00:13:43,400 Speaker 1: I want to get to the deandreat in conversation, the 235 00:13:43,440 --> 00:13:45,839 Speaker 1: Trey Young conversation to that in a second. But the 236 00:13:45,880 --> 00:13:47,719 Speaker 1: first thing is that maybe the most important thing is 237 00:13:47,800 --> 00:13:50,720 Speaker 1: we've created these cyboards. They look like humans, they feel 238 00:13:50,800 --> 00:13:54,000 Speaker 1: like humans, they play basketball like superhumans, but they are 239 00:13:54,080 --> 00:13:58,320 Speaker 1: not human beings. Whether it's DeAndrea and bouncing from house 240 00:13:58,360 --> 00:14:00,679 Speaker 1: to house to house that are coming over from the Bahamas, 241 00:14:01,040 --> 00:14:03,240 Speaker 1: or it's Trey Young and Michael Porter raised by great 242 00:14:03,280 --> 00:14:06,880 Speaker 1: families who meant well, but an effort to shelter them 243 00:14:07,160 --> 00:14:11,400 Speaker 1: from the ills of the world created. All they do 244 00:14:11,520 --> 00:14:15,280 Speaker 1: is play basketball and post on social media and talk 245 00:14:15,320 --> 00:14:18,040 Speaker 1: about how great they are. Because on social media, people 246 00:14:18,080 --> 00:14:20,240 Speaker 1: either talk about how great they are or they take shots. 247 00:14:20,280 --> 00:14:22,560 Speaker 1: They try and take shots at them, and those guys 248 00:14:22,640 --> 00:14:26,560 Speaker 1: become haters. And that's It's a fascinating world in which 249 00:14:26,600 --> 00:14:30,840 Speaker 1: we live in in the in basketball because football, just 250 00:14:31,080 --> 00:14:33,480 Speaker 1: for the most part, doesn't have that. There's a certain 251 00:14:33,560 --> 00:14:35,920 Speaker 1: grit and toughness and you have to have shown it. 252 00:14:36,200 --> 00:14:39,000 Speaker 1: You play three years in in in college and so 253 00:14:39,120 --> 00:14:43,960 Speaker 1: your flaws get exposed. I thought, for sure, no person, 254 00:14:45,440 --> 00:14:49,560 Speaker 1: no person could make Josh rosen Uh look humble. And 255 00:14:49,640 --> 00:14:51,880 Speaker 1: then I read the comments of Michael Porter Jr. Comparing 256 00:14:51,960 --> 00:14:54,080 Speaker 1: himself to a Hall of Famer and a future Hall 257 00:14:54,120 --> 00:14:55,880 Speaker 1: of Famer, one of the top players in the NBA 258 00:14:55,960 --> 00:14:57,960 Speaker 1: in Johanniston, saying he thinks he's a little bit better 259 00:14:58,160 --> 00:15:01,360 Speaker 1: right now, seeing as he played eighty three minutes in 260 00:15:01,400 --> 00:15:05,520 Speaker 1: college basketball, fifty three minutes whatever the hell it was. Yeah, 261 00:15:05,600 --> 00:15:07,920 Speaker 1: that's that's cart a little bit ahead of horse. I 262 00:15:08,040 --> 00:15:10,640 Speaker 1: am excited about the NBA draft. I have written a 263 00:15:10,680 --> 00:15:14,040 Speaker 1: column which you may see up on the Athletic Let 264 00:15:14,120 --> 00:15:16,360 Speaker 1: me kind of give you the basis of it, it's 265 00:15:16,680 --> 00:15:19,160 Speaker 1: I would take this guy over that guy. I would 266 00:15:19,200 --> 00:15:22,520 Speaker 1: pick this over that. I would take Colin Sexton over 267 00:15:22,600 --> 00:15:26,320 Speaker 1: Trey Young. And he might say, yourself, you're hitting on 268 00:15:26,480 --> 00:15:31,200 Speaker 1: Trey Young again. No, Um doesn't have great practice habits 269 00:15:32,160 --> 00:15:36,080 Speaker 1: not not a leader that people get behind, whereas Colin 270 00:15:36,160 --> 00:15:39,000 Speaker 1: Sexton is and does. I do think those things matter. 271 00:15:39,720 --> 00:15:42,280 Speaker 1: Colin Sexton can already guard his position, is tough enough 272 00:15:42,320 --> 00:15:44,640 Speaker 1: to guard bigger players. That's huge in the NBA, where 273 00:15:45,440 --> 00:15:48,200 Speaker 1: switching everything or switching one through four is the norm, 274 00:15:48,320 --> 00:15:51,320 Speaker 1: not the exception, and whereas it's hard to hide a 275 00:15:51,360 --> 00:15:54,920 Speaker 1: tray Young, And you're left with two different decisions if 276 00:15:54,960 --> 00:15:56,920 Speaker 1: you have trade Young. One is to give him the ball, 277 00:15:57,040 --> 00:15:59,240 Speaker 1: give him a high ball screen, spread him out, and 278 00:15:59,400 --> 00:16:01,320 Speaker 1: let him just go. What are you gonna have? You're 279 00:16:01,360 --> 00:16:03,960 Speaker 1: gonna have some nights where he's outstanding. You're also gonna 280 00:16:03,960 --> 00:16:06,000 Speaker 1: have some really high turn overnights and some really bad 281 00:16:06,040 --> 00:16:08,600 Speaker 1: shot nights, and the numbers will skew in his favor, 282 00:16:08,720 --> 00:16:11,040 Speaker 1: because like, look, dude, if you put a guy into 283 00:16:11,120 --> 00:16:13,520 Speaker 1: eight pick and rolls, he's gonna get some pretty good numbers. 284 00:16:13,560 --> 00:16:15,920 Speaker 1: Either he's gonna hit shots with somebody else's But will 285 00:16:15,960 --> 00:16:19,080 Speaker 1: you win that way? I talked to an NBA coach 286 00:16:19,120 --> 00:16:22,680 Speaker 1: who said, whoever drafts Tree Young is going to get fired. Now, 287 00:16:22,880 --> 00:16:24,320 Speaker 1: you could say that about a lot of guys, but 288 00:16:24,360 --> 00:16:26,960 Speaker 1: the point was, you draft him a little bit higher 289 00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:29,040 Speaker 1: than you want to because you're trying to not miss 290 00:16:29,080 --> 00:16:31,160 Speaker 1: on the next Steph Curry, even if he's not Steph Curry. 291 00:16:32,360 --> 00:16:35,040 Speaker 1: And the downside to that is you're gonna play him 292 00:16:35,120 --> 00:16:38,080 Speaker 1: earlier and give him more opportunities than he probably deserves 293 00:16:38,160 --> 00:16:40,200 Speaker 1: earlier because of how high a draft pick he is 294 00:16:40,520 --> 00:16:43,240 Speaker 1: and how much of a following he has. What happened 295 00:16:43,280 --> 00:16:48,480 Speaker 1: with Johnny Manzel, what happened with Jimmer For debt, we 296 00:16:48,640 --> 00:16:52,760 Speaker 1: focus on Steph Curry because his game does look in 297 00:16:52,880 --> 00:16:57,120 Speaker 1: many ways like a freshman college Oklahoma version of Steph Curry, 298 00:16:57,240 --> 00:17:02,440 Speaker 1: but there isn't the leadership quality. Remember, Steph played more 299 00:17:02,800 --> 00:17:05,000 Speaker 1: off the basketball even in his first couple of years, 300 00:17:05,080 --> 00:17:08,240 Speaker 1: not just because of injury. It should be noted I 301 00:17:08,440 --> 00:17:11,600 Speaker 1: was told by several members of the Warriors front office 302 00:17:11,720 --> 00:17:15,520 Speaker 1: at the time when they made the trade. When they 303 00:17:15,560 --> 00:17:18,840 Speaker 1: trade away Monte Ellis to get back Andrew Bogan, returned 304 00:17:19,160 --> 00:17:22,240 Speaker 1: Steph Curry and Monte Ellis were offered pick one or 305 00:17:22,320 --> 00:17:26,200 Speaker 1: the other. The Bucks chose Monte Ellis. So not only 306 00:17:26,240 --> 00:17:30,040 Speaker 1: did the Bucks not know, the Warriors didn't know, things 307 00:17:30,200 --> 00:17:32,360 Speaker 1: came together and became a two time MVP. But let's 308 00:17:32,400 --> 00:17:34,960 Speaker 1: not act like we all saw this coming. I definitely didn't. 309 00:17:36,560 --> 00:17:38,560 Speaker 1: But even if you did see it coming and you 310 00:17:38,680 --> 00:17:42,439 Speaker 1: liked him, he was a better leader. He competed more 311 00:17:42,560 --> 00:17:45,560 Speaker 1: at the defensive end. Trey Young is a very good pastor. 312 00:17:45,640 --> 00:17:48,360 Speaker 1: I would say Steph. Steph didn't show us as much 313 00:17:48,480 --> 00:17:51,720 Speaker 1: passing until his junior year when he did play some 314 00:17:51,880 --> 00:17:57,399 Speaker 1: point um. And I think that Trey Young is growing 315 00:17:57,440 --> 00:17:59,440 Speaker 1: into his body. He'll be a better athlete. And neither 316 00:17:59,520 --> 00:18:01,320 Speaker 1: are a great athletes. But I do think that Steff 317 00:18:01,400 --> 00:18:04,359 Speaker 1: is a little bit more bouncy. Trey hasn't add any 318 00:18:04,400 --> 00:18:08,160 Speaker 1: injuries and stuff had early injuries. I just think you're 319 00:18:08,160 --> 00:18:10,600 Speaker 1: gonna give this kid the ball because you're gonna overdraft 320 00:18:10,720 --> 00:18:16,400 Speaker 1: him and he's gonna struggle. And we talked with Steve Clifford, 321 00:18:16,400 --> 00:18:18,760 Speaker 1: who is the head coach of the Orlando Magic. Probably 322 00:18:18,800 --> 00:18:21,959 Speaker 1: gonna have Trey Young. That looks like a destination for them. 323 00:18:21,960 --> 00:18:23,560 Speaker 1: They need a point guard. They also need a reason 324 00:18:23,600 --> 00:18:26,480 Speaker 1: to fill up that new arena. The problem with that 325 00:18:26,600 --> 00:18:28,480 Speaker 1: is Steve Clifford has even said, hey, guys in the 326 00:18:28,560 --> 00:18:31,760 Speaker 1: Pros to give up night. Those are They're really really 327 00:18:31,840 --> 00:18:34,760 Speaker 1: hard to win with. Here's another one. Some people like 328 00:18:34,880 --> 00:18:38,919 Speaker 1: Troy Brown orreas. I like Chandler Hutcheson. Troy Brown super 329 00:18:39,000 --> 00:18:42,760 Speaker 1: hyped on paper, super talented, and maybe maybe he's like 330 00:18:42,880 --> 00:18:46,000 Speaker 1: Jalen Brown no relation where Jalen Brown didn't shoot a 331 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:49,800 Speaker 1: good percentage of cow but became a viable three point 332 00:18:49,880 --> 00:18:53,200 Speaker 1: weapon the Pros and Troy Brown's only eighteen years only 333 00:18:53,240 --> 00:18:56,280 Speaker 1: turns nineteen this summer. But I look at Chandla Hutchinson, 334 00:18:56,359 --> 00:18:59,080 Speaker 1: who's only he's twenty two years old. He's more refined 335 00:18:59,560 --> 00:19:02,280 Speaker 1: in the Swiss Chappi NBA, he can guard multiple positions. 336 00:19:02,840 --> 00:19:05,200 Speaker 1: And no, he'll never be the ball handler Troy Brown is, 337 00:19:05,640 --> 00:19:07,159 Speaker 1: but he's a really good three and D guy. He 338 00:19:07,280 --> 00:19:10,320 Speaker 1: can hit threes at a much higher clip than Troy 339 00:19:10,359 --> 00:19:12,360 Speaker 1: Brown can, and he can play D at a much 340 00:19:12,440 --> 00:19:15,280 Speaker 1: higher level than Troy Brown can. Instead of living on 341 00:19:15,400 --> 00:19:18,720 Speaker 1: au reputation, I would draft Channel Hutchinson because during his 342 00:19:18,800 --> 00:19:20,520 Speaker 1: rookie contract you'll get more out of him than he 343 00:19:20,560 --> 00:19:25,800 Speaker 1: will Troy Brown. Here's one. I'd take Aaron Holiday ahead 344 00:19:25,840 --> 00:19:29,359 Speaker 1: of Jalen Brunson. Both are both are gonna be backup 345 00:19:29,400 --> 00:19:32,280 Speaker 1: point guards in the NBA. Jalen Brunson is a better 346 00:19:32,400 --> 00:19:36,080 Speaker 1: basketball player, he leads a little bit better, he makes 347 00:19:36,160 --> 00:19:41,359 Speaker 1: more shots, a sounder passer, He's a smarter player. And 348 00:19:41,480 --> 00:19:44,080 Speaker 1: Aaron Holiday is tougher, more athletic, and a better fit 349 00:19:44,440 --> 00:19:46,640 Speaker 1: as a backup guard in the NBA. Both of course 350 00:19:46,680 --> 00:19:50,560 Speaker 1: have NBA d n a um. Jalen's dad was a 351 00:19:50,640 --> 00:19:52,680 Speaker 1: long time Rick was a long time backup in the league, 352 00:19:53,240 --> 00:19:56,119 Speaker 1: and that this you could back dudes down and score 353 00:19:56,119 --> 00:19:58,720 Speaker 1: in the midpost. In the midpost and score on pull ups. 354 00:19:58,800 --> 00:20:01,439 Speaker 1: You take Jalen Brunson a heartbeat, But because it's two 355 00:20:01,440 --> 00:20:03,080 Speaker 1: thousand eighteen, where you get is so and you have 356 00:20:03,200 --> 00:20:06,520 Speaker 1: to have lateral foot quickness, you can't touch anybody. I like, 357 00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:11,240 Speaker 1: I take Aaron Holiday ahead of Jalen Brunson. Um, I 358 00:20:11,240 --> 00:20:13,639 Speaker 1: would take Grayson all and ahead of Dante de Vincenzo. 359 00:20:14,040 --> 00:20:17,000 Speaker 1: You know, Dante de Vincenzo is kind of the newer 360 00:20:17,160 --> 00:20:20,120 Speaker 1: version of Grayson Allen and Grace Down isn't his bouncey's 361 00:20:20,119 --> 00:20:22,320 Speaker 1: he used to be, but he's still pretty bouncy. He 362 00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:25,200 Speaker 1: makes shots. He's a much better ball handler than Dante 363 00:20:25,280 --> 00:20:28,959 Speaker 1: de Vincenzo. Uh And, though DiVincenzo is an excellent defender, 364 00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:30,760 Speaker 1: I think graceon now and would be a pretty good defender. 365 00:20:30,800 --> 00:20:36,040 Speaker 1: Both will struggle against bigger, longer dudes. DiVincenzo tough, probably 366 00:20:36,040 --> 00:20:37,879 Speaker 1: a little tougher than Grace Now, but Grace Now it 367 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:41,640 Speaker 1: is far from soft. I would actually take Grace Now 368 00:20:41,720 --> 00:20:43,560 Speaker 1: and I head Donte DiVincenzo because I think he's a 369 00:20:43,600 --> 00:20:45,960 Speaker 1: far more refined offensive player, saying as he was the 370 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:47,920 Speaker 1: guy at Duke and then he had to fit in 371 00:20:48,040 --> 00:20:50,159 Speaker 1: with a group at Duke, whereas DiVincenzo came off the 372 00:20:50,240 --> 00:20:53,040 Speaker 1: bench and listen, you just had a chance to just 373 00:20:53,119 --> 00:20:54,920 Speaker 1: go get buckets and not have to think about running 374 00:20:54,920 --> 00:20:57,200 Speaker 1: a team. DiVincenzo is not a point guard, not close. 375 00:20:58,000 --> 00:21:01,280 Speaker 1: But at least when uh Um, Grace now and did 376 00:21:01,359 --> 00:21:03,800 Speaker 1: play point it wasn't the disaster that the times Donte 377 00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:07,960 Speaker 1: DiVincenzo was. And again, like Donte DiVincenzo, glad he's staying 378 00:21:07,960 --> 00:21:09,879 Speaker 1: in the draft. I think he's going to stick in 379 00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:12,240 Speaker 1: the NBA for a long time. I just have both 380 00:21:12,280 --> 00:21:16,119 Speaker 1: eyes open and then the last one and they pick this, 381 00:21:16,280 --> 00:21:19,280 Speaker 1: not that is DeAndre, and I would take Marvin Bagley 382 00:21:19,359 --> 00:21:23,000 Speaker 1: over DeAndre Ayton. Show me the big center. I guess 383 00:21:23,040 --> 00:21:26,199 Speaker 1: it's Joel Embiid, But Joel embiads a much better all 384 00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:30,200 Speaker 1: around athlete out in the court. Um And remember Embiad's 385 00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:33,560 Speaker 1: perimeter game took years to develop, and that development began 386 00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:35,639 Speaker 1: when he had the first really two years off of 387 00:21:35,760 --> 00:21:40,040 Speaker 1: his NBA journey. That's not what's gonna happen with DeAndre Ayton. 388 00:21:40,119 --> 00:21:42,480 Speaker 1: He won't have the time to develop until probably his 389 00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:47,280 Speaker 1: first off season. Bagley, at worst, or maybe not worst, 390 00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:50,560 Speaker 1: at I would expect him to be a Chris Bosh type. 391 00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:53,119 Speaker 1: I do thinking him the ball a lot better and 392 00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:56,600 Speaker 1: be involved a lot more on the perimeter, handling the basketball, 393 00:21:56,640 --> 00:21:59,760 Speaker 1: passing the basketball, getting his own shot gun into some ice. 394 00:21:59,840 --> 00:22:01,680 Speaker 1: So is in the pros than he was when he 395 00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:04,399 Speaker 1: played a duke. Marvin bagglows supposed be the number one 396 00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:06,560 Speaker 1: pick the season. Maybe this is confirmation bias, and that's 397 00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:09,000 Speaker 1: why I'm going with him ahead of DeAndre No more. 398 00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:10,920 Speaker 1: It's just I've watched an f n B A and 399 00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:13,520 Speaker 1: I see the paucity of legit back to the basket players, 400 00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:16,000 Speaker 1: and I'm like that Deandreatan thing sounds great when you're 401 00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:18,000 Speaker 1: at Arizona. It doesn't sound great when you get to 402 00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:20,119 Speaker 1: the pros, and the pros you gotta play face. You 403 00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:21,480 Speaker 1: got the basket and you have to be a better 404 00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:25,800 Speaker 1: rim protective. He just doesn't predict rima that one. Two 405 00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:32,080 Speaker 1: thousand thirteen, two thousand fourteen Indiana Pacers had I mean 406 00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:35,440 Speaker 1: they look, they had a shot. They had an absolute 407 00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:41,800 Speaker 1: shot at the Miami Heat. And the roster composition is 408 00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:47,720 Speaker 1: is and the role allocation is so different, so different. 409 00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:52,040 Speaker 1: They finished first in the NBA's Central Division. They lost 410 00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:54,399 Speaker 1: in game six to the Miami Heat. They beat the 411 00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:58,040 Speaker 1: Hawks and seven to beat the Wizards in six. And 412 00:22:58,160 --> 00:23:01,040 Speaker 1: this is a team that remember those for Paul George 413 00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:04,720 Speaker 1: broke his leg, Paul George's only twenty three. They had 414 00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:10,560 Speaker 1: Land Stevenson, that has been Land Stevenson, George Hill, David West, 415 00:23:10,760 --> 00:23:16,600 Speaker 1: Roy Hibbert. Good team. But watch the NBA playoffs now 416 00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:18,760 Speaker 1: and you're like, wait, whatever happened to Roy Hibbert? Not 417 00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:21,280 Speaker 1: in the league. David West, And look, I grant you 418 00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:25,639 Speaker 1: David West at thirty seven years old. You know, nobody 419 00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:28,040 Speaker 1: at thirty seven years old is going to be nearly 420 00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:30,160 Speaker 1: what they were at thirty three years old. But he's 421 00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:33,560 Speaker 1: also he's not a traditional but he was a too 422 00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:38,040 Speaker 1: early two thousand's, late nineties power forward, and you can 423 00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:40,280 Speaker 1: score some of the post. He's very good on pick 424 00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:42,639 Speaker 1: and pop, but on what's called a short roll, you know, 425 00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:44,480 Speaker 1: like an eight teen foot I mean that just that 426 00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:48,119 Speaker 1: keyhole jump shot he would make time and again, and 427 00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:51,840 Speaker 1: hibberts out of the league. West and maybe or guys 428 00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:54,840 Speaker 1: like West are now either shooting threes or they're out 429 00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:58,520 Speaker 1: of the league. Kind of fascinating how this thing has changed. 430 00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:01,639 Speaker 1: Nobody knows that other than Frank Vogel, of course, longtime 431 00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:03,360 Speaker 1: coach in the NBA. Kind of to spend some time 432 00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:07,920 Speaker 1: in this year on Fox Sports Radio. Um, when was 433 00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:11,480 Speaker 1: the moment that that the shark was that the shark 434 00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:13,680 Speaker 1: jumped that all of a sudden, like a guy like 435 00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:17,040 Speaker 1: Roy Hibbert couldn't play in this league? Was it was 436 00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:20,040 Speaker 1: it those final series where they would go where where 437 00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:22,159 Speaker 1: they would go small against you guys, and he had 438 00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:25,280 Speaker 1: no one he could guard. Well. I definitely think that 439 00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:27,399 Speaker 1: contributed to it, you know, I don't know if there was. 440 00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:30,480 Speaker 1: It was one moment, but um, you know, when we 441 00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:32,160 Speaker 1: have the number one defense in the league two years 442 00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:35,120 Speaker 1: in a row, Roy was the centerpiece of that. And um, 443 00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:38,800 Speaker 1: you know, a couple of different playoffs series uh sort 444 00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:41,600 Speaker 1: of I don't want to say exposed Roy, but made 445 00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:43,600 Speaker 1: it difficult for us to have him out. There was 446 00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:46,080 Speaker 1: the Atlanta series where they played the point to the 447 00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:49,720 Speaker 1: point tutors, and then each of those Miami series ultimately 448 00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:52,399 Speaker 1: ended ended in Chris Boss playing the five. And you know, 449 00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:55,440 Speaker 1: obviously they were able to prevail. Um, you know a 450 00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:59,000 Speaker 1: lot of a lot of different teams, Uh began doing it, uh, 451 00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:01,400 Speaker 1: you know in small all stretches and then obviously going 452 00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:04,240 Speaker 1: state uh and went to their death line up and 453 00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:06,960 Speaker 1: you know everybody copied them from there. So you know, 454 00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:10,960 Speaker 1: I think it was a gradual evolution and you know, 455 00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:14,520 Speaker 1: certainly changing change the way the games played today. Okay, 456 00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:16,520 Speaker 1: so I guess here's the question. You've been this game 457 00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:19,560 Speaker 1: essentially the entire professional life, right, worked your way up, 458 00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:21,560 Speaker 1: become the head coach, the Pacers, head coach, the magic 459 00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:24,520 Speaker 1: Frank vocal our guest on the Doug Gotli Show, I 460 00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:26,440 Speaker 1: was I was hanging out with an Eastern Conference head 461 00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:28,960 Speaker 1: coach last week, and he was telling me, like, look, 462 00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:32,800 Speaker 1: it's not coming back, like the big guy who posts up, 463 00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:36,119 Speaker 1: it's just not coming not coming back. He's like we 464 00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:37,840 Speaker 1: were we were holding out hope because they have a 465 00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:40,720 Speaker 1: center that they're probably gonna part ways with that when 466 00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:42,360 Speaker 1: we call for the ball there, like we tracked, it's 467 00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:44,720 Speaker 1: shot for our big guy to scoring a low post. 468 00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:47,359 Speaker 1: He's pretty good, and they're not going to change the 469 00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:49,960 Speaker 1: way they officiate. So it's a very physical game down there. 470 00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:53,000 Speaker 1: It makes it inefficient. But then I look and you 471 00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:57,640 Speaker 1: got Carl Town's, you got um, you know, Joel Embiid, 472 00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:01,400 Speaker 1: you got DeMarcus Cousins, you DeAndre Aton coming in the league. 473 00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:03,880 Speaker 1: They do have really good big guys. Do you think 474 00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:05,880 Speaker 1: it ever comes back in vogue that you can use 475 00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:10,760 Speaker 1: a true center, Well, yeah, I don't think it's ever 476 00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:12,879 Speaker 1: gonna come back to the way it was. You know, 477 00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:15,800 Speaker 1: to me, it's it's really about playing with two bigs. 478 00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:18,119 Speaker 1: Is where the game has changed over the last you know, 479 00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:20,399 Speaker 1: clab it six years more so than the true center. 480 00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:23,320 Speaker 1: You know, I still think there's a place for post offense. 481 00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:26,560 Speaker 1: And you see that throughout throughout the playoffs, you do 482 00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:29,879 Speaker 1: see the balling and going to the post, whether it's 483 00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:33,080 Speaker 1: a wing player like like Lebron or uh you watch 484 00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:36,320 Speaker 1: the L and B play Um Cousins you mentioned, even 485 00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:38,639 Speaker 1: even you know, trying to get Kevin Love and out 486 00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:41,040 Speaker 1: Horford involved down low. You know, as you watch the 487 00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:44,040 Speaker 1: Eastern Conference playoffs, you know it's it's it's it's always 488 00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:45,800 Speaker 1: going to be a part of the game, but it's 489 00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:47,200 Speaker 1: second it's not going to go back to the where 490 00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:49,480 Speaker 1: it was, where you know you're seeing you know, the 491 00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:52,320 Speaker 1: the eighties where a large Juan and and uh Duncan 492 00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:55,000 Speaker 1: are getting the ball down low twenty thirty times. Tonight 493 00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:59,200 Speaker 1: it's just not asfisient, not as afifcent offense is you know, 494 00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:02,119 Speaker 1: playing to play pick a role game and striving for 495 00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:06,320 Speaker 1: for open lafts and open threes. Frank Vogar, I guess 496 00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:08,640 Speaker 1: DeAndre Ayton is getting ready to likely be the number 497 00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:10,600 Speaker 1: one overall pick, and some of it is out of need. 498 00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:13,760 Speaker 1: Right you look at at the void with the Phoenix 499 00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:16,959 Speaker 1: Suns is they don't have a true center. But how 500 00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:19,480 Speaker 1: do you this is like in football, do you take 501 00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:22,040 Speaker 1: a running back that early in the draft like Sae 502 00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:24,800 Speaker 1: Kwon Barkley who fits that kind of the classic running back. 503 00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:27,080 Speaker 1: But you can get a running back and be fine 504 00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:30,320 Speaker 1: later on in the draft. You can Clint Capella can 505 00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:34,359 Speaker 1: be a great role man and can switch defensively, and 506 00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:36,560 Speaker 1: you can get a Clint Capella later on the draft. 507 00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:39,600 Speaker 1: How do you evaluate a player like Aton who can 508 00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:42,080 Speaker 1: face up doves, has some majority, but he's not a 509 00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:44,520 Speaker 1: great shop blocker and he's not really like a roll 510 00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:47,160 Speaker 1: to the rim big guy. How do you evaluate how 511 00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:49,560 Speaker 1: effective he can be? And if you use your number 512 00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:52,640 Speaker 1: one pick on him, no, you gotta you gotta gave 513 00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:54,520 Speaker 1: and all those things. You know, how good of a 514 00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:56,320 Speaker 1: defender is he gonna be? Is he gonna be down 515 00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:59,639 Speaker 1: that like Rudy Gobert in today's game? Is he? Is 516 00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:02,200 Speaker 1: he just going to be average? Is he? Um? Is 517 00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:05,480 Speaker 1: he gonna be extraordinary as as a lobs that rolling 518 00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:07,960 Speaker 1: to the basket? Uh? Is he going to be a 519 00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:10,159 Speaker 1: short roll guy who is getting catching the ball in 520 00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:12,120 Speaker 1: the pocket or is he going to be a most 521 00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:14,440 Speaker 1: effective getting the ball in a in a low post? 522 00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:17,399 Speaker 1: And you know all those things you know you measure 523 00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:19,760 Speaker 1: on a on a one a tense scale, and um, 524 00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:21,800 Speaker 1: you know, it takes the totality of it and and 525 00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:24,240 Speaker 1: you know then obviously affectual and all the things like 526 00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:27,760 Speaker 1: i Q and drive and all those things to see 527 00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:31,920 Speaker 1: what kind of player are you just gonna get? Frank Vogo, 528 00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:34,520 Speaker 1: I guess on the Doug Gottlip Show, how difficult is 529 00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:39,120 Speaker 1: the task of coaching and managing egos? Knowing that these 530 00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:41,720 Speaker 1: guys like they've gotten smart with free agency and they're 531 00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:44,920 Speaker 1: taking short deals and they're talking and texting behind everybody's 532 00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:49,280 Speaker 1: back about kind of joining up and joining forces. How 533 00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:52,280 Speaker 1: this goes the putting the team together? Yeah, like this 534 00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:54,840 Speaker 1: managing the egos, you know, it's it's uh, it's just 535 00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:56,960 Speaker 1: part of the game, you know, the way it is 536 00:28:57,040 --> 00:29:00,120 Speaker 1: when when free asdents come around. Um, and even you know, 537 00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:02,040 Speaker 1: guys that aren't created as yet but are going to 538 00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:03,720 Speaker 1: be freed and as they can kind of talk their 539 00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:07,120 Speaker 1: way out of situations. Um. You know, That's why I 540 00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:10,200 Speaker 1: really believe that I've always had the mindset that you 541 00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:11,840 Speaker 1: want to partner up with your guys, you want to 542 00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:15,160 Speaker 1: make them, uh, you know, as happy as as as possible, 543 00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:18,200 Speaker 1: and and you know a lot of that involves, um, 544 00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:21,080 Speaker 1: you know, are we being pushed here, you know, with 545 00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:24,840 Speaker 1: with whatever team that player is on, and um, you 546 00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:29,080 Speaker 1: want to make sure that your situation is clear to 547 00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:31,440 Speaker 1: each player that that this is the best situation for 548 00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:35,080 Speaker 1: them and they don't need to be looking elsewhere. Um. 549 00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:38,400 Speaker 1: You you also took on a completely different challenge in 550 00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:41,920 Speaker 1: Orlando right where it was a complete rebuild and you're 551 00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:44,560 Speaker 1: trying to you like, your your your torn right because 552 00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:48,320 Speaker 1: you're better off if for the franchise if you lose. 553 00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:51,120 Speaker 1: On the other hand, for you and your job security, 554 00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:55,840 Speaker 1: you gotta win and be competitive. Um, if you could 555 00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:58,600 Speaker 1: do it all over again, would you do it all 556 00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:02,000 Speaker 1: over again? You know obviously you know you look at 557 00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:04,240 Speaker 1: those things you can do differently. But you know, we 558 00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:07,640 Speaker 1: we we absolutely had a long type of quotes there. 559 00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:10,680 Speaker 1: Um a unique situation for me because our front office, 560 00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:14,840 Speaker 1: our front office teams after the year one and you know, 561 00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:16,800 Speaker 1: you just posted the team that this is going to 562 00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:19,200 Speaker 1: be there forever. You know, That's that's the mindset I've 563 00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:22,040 Speaker 1: always had. You know, it's not about you know, scooping 564 00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:24,120 Speaker 1: up a couple of us to win here and there 565 00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:27,000 Speaker 1: to you know, quote unquote pad your stats or whatever 566 00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:28,800 Speaker 1: it makes yourself look good in terms of how many 567 00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:31,520 Speaker 1: wins you have and um, you know, but you have 568 00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:34,320 Speaker 1: to do what's what's in the bestment of a franchise, 569 00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:36,520 Speaker 1: you know, and and operate them the assumption that and 570 00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:39,840 Speaker 1: you're gonna be there a long term. You you had 571 00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:42,880 Speaker 1: until he was traded. You had Alfred Payton, who was 572 00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:45,480 Speaker 1: really talented guard, but he really he struggled to shoot 573 00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:48,440 Speaker 1: right and I and I had Steve clifford On who 574 00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:51,320 Speaker 1: obviously took the Orlando job, and we talked about we 575 00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:53,760 Speaker 1: didn't talk about Trey Young per se. But there's the 576 00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:56,560 Speaker 1: balance of you really need shooting. You really need to 577 00:30:56,560 --> 00:30:58,920 Speaker 1: be able to shoot the basketball in today's NBA unless 578 00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:01,760 Speaker 1: you know, unless you're some freak like Janice you know, 579 00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:04,360 Speaker 1: who can get to the basket or or Ben Simmons, 580 00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:06,240 Speaker 1: and even that something gets exposed in the NBA. But 581 00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:08,160 Speaker 1: the point guard position, you really need to shoot. On 582 00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:11,200 Speaker 1: the other hand, you know the way people play defensively 583 00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:14,760 Speaker 1: now everybody's switching defensively, you also need to guard. How 584 00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:18,400 Speaker 1: how should we evaluate players coming in the league And 585 00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:20,840 Speaker 1: the importance of shooting is opposed to the importance of 586 00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:24,840 Speaker 1: defense into who should be, for example, a point guard 587 00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:28,760 Speaker 1: for a team that's trying to rebuild. Well, I think 588 00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:31,479 Speaker 1: uh shooting is more of a premium now than it's 589 00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:33,400 Speaker 1: ever band And it's not just the point guard position. 590 00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:37,440 Speaker 1: I think I think every perimeter position UH has has 591 00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:40,200 Speaker 1: to have, you know, uh, the ability to shoot the 592 00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:43,480 Speaker 1: basketball or we respect it out there. Um and and 593 00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:45,479 Speaker 1: in most cases the set up position does as well. 594 00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:48,720 Speaker 1: It's it's really across the board, not just not just 595 00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:51,440 Speaker 1: a point guard position. So you know, I think there's uh, 596 00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:54,040 Speaker 1: you know, if you're not a great shooter, you've got 597 00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:56,960 Speaker 1: to be um, you've got to excel in other areas. 598 00:31:57,240 --> 00:31:59,600 Speaker 1: You know, that's clear and um, you know, I think 599 00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:01,680 Speaker 1: that's what aybody's looking at with all these these players 600 00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:04,400 Speaker 1: coming into the draft. And then it's in terms of 601 00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:06,880 Speaker 1: the defensive end. It is a switching world out there, 602 00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:10,360 Speaker 1: so um, you know, your competitive spirit, your fight, it's 603 00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:14,160 Speaker 1: not just always about your size and athleticism, but you know, uh, 604 00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:16,400 Speaker 1: you know what's your i Q Like you know when 605 00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:18,400 Speaker 1: you're gonna switch, are you gonna be those guys like 606 00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:21,640 Speaker 1: Andre Miller and and uh you know Jared w and 607 00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:23,800 Speaker 1: not the moost athletic guys, but they're savvy enough to 608 00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:27,400 Speaker 1: not get beat in switches and um, you know, you 609 00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:29,680 Speaker 1: just have to evaluate all all those types of things. 610 00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:33,920 Speaker 1: It's not just about your all athleticism, but switchability defensively 611 00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:37,000 Speaker 1: and three point shooting are obviously big premiums and what 612 00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:40,360 Speaker 1: everybody's thinking for initials draft. Well, Frank, everybody knows you 613 00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:42,760 Speaker 1: can coach. I'm sure you'll be back coaching very very soon. 614 00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:45,000 Speaker 1: If not, we're just gonna keep plucking your knowledge because 615 00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:49,600 Speaker 1: it's it's great. Um, it's it's so far above that 616 00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:52,080 Speaker 1: of of us, of the common man. Appreciate you joining 617 00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:56,160 Speaker 1: us and we'll talk soon. Thanks. Take care. You can 618 00:32:56,200 --> 00:33:00,240 Speaker 1: follow him on Twitter at RP three Nat Nat Role. 619 00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:04,320 Speaker 1: He's Rashot Phillips basketball analyst and draft guru. He joins 620 00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:07,600 Speaker 1: us on the Doug Gotlip Show on Fox Sports Radio. 621 00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:10,040 Speaker 1: All right, so I saw you on Colin Cowherd and 622 00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:13,520 Speaker 1: you had Trey Young as your number one prospect in 623 00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:17,040 Speaker 1: the draft. Why yes, Um, just because when you when 624 00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:20,360 Speaker 1: you look at the the dynamics of the NBA game 625 00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:23,360 Speaker 1: and the way that is evolved in you have to 626 00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:26,720 Speaker 1: have a dynamic type of point guard in order to 627 00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:31,760 Speaker 1: win games, and and Trey Young epitomizes that. But he 628 00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:34,840 Speaker 1: doesn't play any defense. There's a lot of guys that 629 00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:38,560 Speaker 1: don't play any defense in his draft. Hold On, hold on, 630 00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:46,360 Speaker 1: who doesn't Marvin Bagley is not a great defender either. Well, 631 00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:50,120 Speaker 1: there's there's there's, there's two there's there's two types of 632 00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:53,160 Speaker 1: guys though. Okay, there are guys that don't give enough 633 00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:55,480 Speaker 1: effort and could give more effort. There are guys that 634 00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:58,200 Speaker 1: don't have the speed and quickness to it, and there 635 00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:00,760 Speaker 1: are guys that tried to stay away. Like dude, he 636 00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:06,840 Speaker 1: doesn't guard anybody. Anybody, and his body, his body type 637 00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:09,480 Speaker 1: is such to which I know he's added some strength 638 00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:12,239 Speaker 1: here and workouts. Yeah, but his body says where he 639 00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:15,279 Speaker 1: just gets ragged dolled by people. Whereas Badley is not 640 00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:18,360 Speaker 1: great and needs to be better. But let's be honest, 641 00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:20,320 Speaker 1: at least he can put a body on somebody. The 642 00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:24,040 Speaker 1: same could be said for Dune. Yeah. Yeah, but uh, 643 00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:26,520 Speaker 1: Trey is a lot like step Curry in regards to 644 00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:30,480 Speaker 1: his offense is his defense, so you have you cannot 645 00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:33,480 Speaker 1: ignore how great he is on the offensive side of 646 00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:37,800 Speaker 1: the floor because in the NBA, it's not about ball stoppers. 647 00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:41,800 Speaker 1: In the NBA, it's about excitement it's about hitting three pointers, 648 00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:44,680 Speaker 1: electrifying the crowd. That's where the NBA is about. It's 649 00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:47,920 Speaker 1: not about guys that can sit down and play defense. Okay, 650 00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:51,600 Speaker 1: So why why did he struggle so much from February 651 00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:54,520 Speaker 1: one on? Well, you have to look at it from 652 00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:56,759 Speaker 1: the standpoint where he was the you know, the number 653 00:34:56,800 --> 00:35:00,560 Speaker 1: one guy on the scouting report, um Oklahoma, but wasn't 654 00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:04,600 Speaker 1: really a good team, and they wore him down a lot, 655 00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:07,319 Speaker 1: a lot. So he tried to give all he could 656 00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:09,560 Speaker 1: on the offensive end, but and tried to rest a 657 00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:11,640 Speaker 1: little bit on deep on the defensive end, and he 658 00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:14,000 Speaker 1: got burnt a couple of times. And hopefully, you know, 659 00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:16,520 Speaker 1: he's learned from that. That's been about It was about 660 00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:19,640 Speaker 1: five months ago. Hopefully he's learned from those mistakes. Um. 661 00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:22,440 Speaker 1: It seems like he's gotten bigger in the weight room. UM. 662 00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:25,759 Speaker 1: And now at the NBA game, he's not gonna have 663 00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:30,040 Speaker 1: that much responsibility UM as a as an offensive player. 664 00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:32,520 Speaker 1: So he's not gonna have to carry the weight and 665 00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:34,520 Speaker 1: the low of a whole team like he had to 666 00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:37,600 Speaker 1: do in college. Doug Gotli show Fox Sport Trader ras 667 00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:40,160 Speaker 1: Sean Phillips joining US. Okay, so if you have him. 668 00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:41,960 Speaker 1: I mean, if you have him number one on your board, 669 00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:45,120 Speaker 1: that would make him the most underrated guy. So who 670 00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:47,279 Speaker 1: is the most overrated guy? Which guy makes you be 671 00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:49,919 Speaker 1: most queasy? If if you see his name taken early, 672 00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:53,560 Speaker 1: I would have to say Luca Donshes. I just kind 673 00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:57,759 Speaker 1: of I kind of cringed at that. I craned at 674 00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:02,400 Speaker 1: it because here's a guy that has improven anything. And 675 00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:07,440 Speaker 1: in American basketball obviously he's fantastic and European play uh 676 00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:10,400 Speaker 1: and I respect what he's done as a European player, 677 00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:13,640 Speaker 1: But the NBA it's a totally different thing. Let's let's 678 00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:16,080 Speaker 1: think about football here, Doug, because you're a football guy. 679 00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:19,080 Speaker 1: Just like the CFL, A guy catches twenty touchdowns in 680 00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:21,600 Speaker 1: the CFL as a wide receiver and then he comes 681 00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:24,960 Speaker 1: to the NFL. Well, there's gonna be different defenders. There's 682 00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:27,560 Speaker 1: no Derell revis Is in the CFL. There's no Josh 683 00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:29,880 Speaker 1: Normans in the CFL. Luca don She just has that 684 00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:32,560 Speaker 1: same type of transition that he has to get accustomed 685 00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:38,440 Speaker 1: to different defenders, smarter guys, taller, stronger and coming for 686 00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:42,080 Speaker 1: us throw. You know, it's it's it's interesting because I Look, 687 00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:44,880 Speaker 1: I've played overseas, you did as well. We both know 688 00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:48,760 Speaker 1: that that. Like, look, there's a different set level of athletes, 689 00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:51,960 Speaker 1: especially when you're going against the European a European guy 690 00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:55,160 Speaker 1: trying to guard you, a different style of officiating. Yeah, 691 00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:59,239 Speaker 1: we also have to remember that college basketball isn't at 692 00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:01,720 Speaker 1: the level of Europe and it's it's actually a lower 693 00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:04,840 Speaker 1: like It's like the the DeAndre Ayten thing is he 694 00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:07,960 Speaker 1: is he a freak, Yeah, but he's also going against 695 00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:10,800 Speaker 1: college bigs, and there are no good college big so 696 00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:13,960 Speaker 1: he's not going against anybody who's a like talent. I 697 00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:17,000 Speaker 1: I agree with that. I have to agree that you know, 698 00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:20,240 Speaker 1: Etan is a physical specimen. Um, he's bigger than everybody, 699 00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:23,880 Speaker 1: so he's gonna have an adjustment as well. But again 700 00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:27,720 Speaker 1: he has been accustomed to playing over here in America, 701 00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:31,479 Speaker 1: so his transition is not as not as as deep 702 00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:34,080 Speaker 1: as it's gonna be for Luca Doncheys. I think Lucas 703 00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:37,640 Speaker 1: gonna have more of a steeper learning curve. Um been 704 00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:41,040 Speaker 1: a guy like DeAndre Ayton Um. Our kids in America 705 00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:44,080 Speaker 1: bread to play at the NBA level. Um, that's the 706 00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:47,719 Speaker 1: way they're raised and with trade relatively here that his 707 00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:50,600 Speaker 1: dad played at Texas Tech, so he's been around that 708 00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:52,959 Speaker 1: and he studied it since the kid. So you gotta 709 00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:56,239 Speaker 1: you gotta have you gotta respect that part of it. 710 00:37:57,360 --> 00:38:00,120 Speaker 1: Michael Porter Jr. Is a tough one, right. He us 711 00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:04,240 Speaker 1: a ton of offensive skill, but he has has had injuries, 712 00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:07,960 Speaker 1: he hadn't played much in college, and there's also something 713 00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:09,920 Speaker 1: that he has that a lot of people think that 714 00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:13,360 Speaker 1: Trey has, where there's this he hadn't really been coached 715 00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:16,359 Speaker 1: and he that they I mean, these guys come in thinking. 716 00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:17,799 Speaker 1: I mean, he was quote as saying like, I think 717 00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:21,240 Speaker 1: I'm more like Tracy McGrady. I go stronger, I'm tougher 718 00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:23,960 Speaker 1: around the basket than Kevin Durant. Is Like, you're not 719 00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:26,040 Speaker 1: comparing it. He's that thing. One day I want to 720 00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:29,200 Speaker 1: be saying, I rd am. A lot of his his 721 00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:31,879 Speaker 1: arrogance rubbed people the wrong way. What do you think 722 00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:35,279 Speaker 1: of Michael Porter Jr. When he what he'll be in 723 00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:39,120 Speaker 1: the NBA. I think I think his is really based 724 00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:44,000 Speaker 1: on on injury um in regards to have been confidence 725 00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:46,360 Speaker 1: in himself. I have no problem with that, but sometimes 726 00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:48,640 Speaker 1: you know, these are these are kids at the end 727 00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:52,200 Speaker 1: of the day. So sometimes, uh, they don't express themselves 728 00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:55,719 Speaker 1: the way that they should. Um. Like Aiden's comments about 729 00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:57,839 Speaker 1: his Pullma shoe. I'm sure we can get into that later. 730 00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:01,239 Speaker 1: But I think Michael Porter, if he if he can 731 00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:04,160 Speaker 1: stay healthy, um, I think he's gonna be a really 732 00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:07,880 Speaker 1: good NBA player. Um, but there's still a lot to 733 00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:10,839 Speaker 1: improve on. And I don't know if he can play 734 00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:14,960 Speaker 1: eighty two games because he couldn't play thirty college games. Yeah, 735 00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:16,719 Speaker 1: it's it's a it's a really hard one when you 736 00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:19,120 Speaker 1: look at guys getting getting dinged up. Although you did 737 00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:23,320 Speaker 1: just say that that Trey Young got worn down and 738 00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:25,640 Speaker 1: you think he's gonna play two games when he struggled, 739 00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:28,400 Speaker 1: I understand it's totally different than three games versus. Um, 740 00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:30,880 Speaker 1: you mentioned the shoe things. So people are just joining 741 00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:33,960 Speaker 1: us and they're not you. You guys, Puma has signed 742 00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:38,960 Speaker 1: Marvin Bagley and DeAndre and jay Z. Yeah, and you 743 00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:42,640 Speaker 1: and your reaction was what I just I don't. I 744 00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:46,040 Speaker 1: think they're gonna have a hard time because this generation 745 00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:49,120 Speaker 1: of Keith and in history and his history tells us 746 00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:53,640 Speaker 1: that we don't really purchase post player shoes, So they 747 00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:56,560 Speaker 1: there's gonna be an Uphill Battle. In regards to trying 748 00:39:56,600 --> 00:40:00,239 Speaker 1: to sell post player shoes, it's the kids, because kids 749 00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:04,520 Speaker 1: are the ones who buy shoes. I know, I don't 750 00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:06,120 Speaker 1: think that. I don't think they did it to sell 751 00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:09,600 Speaker 1: shoes specifically, right, Like very few guys their signature shoes 752 00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:12,719 Speaker 1: actually make money. Pumas just trying to get the skin 753 00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:15,600 Speaker 1: in the game. You get jay z z is there 754 00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:17,879 Speaker 1: is there big play. They're gonna have the number one 755 00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:20,279 Speaker 1: and probably number two picks in the NBA draft, and 756 00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:24,399 Speaker 1: even us talking about it is wins for Puma, Like, man, 757 00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:26,960 Speaker 1: they won't sell shoes, Yeah, but we're talking about it, 758 00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:29,680 Speaker 1: which considering Puma was never a word of mouth. We 759 00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:32,480 Speaker 1: haven't heard nobody's signed with Puma since Vince Carter did. 760 00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:34,960 Speaker 1: I actually think that's their win? Is that? Is that 761 00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:38,880 Speaker 1: a fair? Is that a fair statement? I totally understand that. 762 00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:42,239 Speaker 1: I was just thinking from a shoe standpoint. If you know, 763 00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:44,359 Speaker 1: you got kids, I got kids. I'm not gonna take 764 00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:47,440 Speaker 1: my kids to the store to go buy, uh, you know, 765 00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:50,279 Speaker 1: some Beyandre eight and shoes Like, I'm not gonna do that. Um, 766 00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:52,239 Speaker 1: I'm gonna go get them some Kyrie Irvans or something 767 00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:56,080 Speaker 1: like that. But from that standpoint of of reconnecting with 768 00:40:56,239 --> 00:40:59,200 Speaker 1: the culture. I think it's a phenomenal idea to get 769 00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:02,279 Speaker 1: those guy and and get Jay Z as an ambassador 770 00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:04,120 Speaker 1: to come along, and I think they will be going 771 00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:06,880 Speaker 1: in the right direction in that regard. The only thing 772 00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:09,680 Speaker 1: I will I will say, I'll say this, I agree 773 00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:13,279 Speaker 1: with you in thought that my kids wouldn't buy big 774 00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:15,719 Speaker 1: guy's shoes. It's one of the reasons that Lebron James, 775 00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:18,360 Speaker 1: a lot of Lebron James shoes have been a tougher 776 00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:21,279 Speaker 1: sell because Lebron James is a big dude. He's got 777 00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:24,719 Speaker 1: to have big dude shoes. But but remember, like if 778 00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:28,080 Speaker 1: you go back, remember the David Robinson pumps. I had those. Yeah, 779 00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:32,040 Speaker 1: the Shack pumps, I had those. The Shack pumps, I 780 00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:34,640 Speaker 1: had those. I didn't buy the Shack l A gears. 781 00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:37,359 Speaker 1: So there were some big guys shoes that did sell. 782 00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:41,120 Speaker 1: But David Robinson kind of was more of a he 783 00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:44,080 Speaker 1: was an NBA scoring champ, you know, so he had 784 00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:48,040 Speaker 1: a little bit more gravitation because of what he accomplished 785 00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:52,080 Speaker 1: in those shoes. But just the traditional like Kem Duncan shoe, 786 00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:55,440 Speaker 1: Like nobody's taking their son to a foot locker and say, 787 00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:58,480 Speaker 1: hey man, let me get you the Tim Duncan. That's 788 00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:01,719 Speaker 1: just not happening. I now I understand. That's just fair. 789 00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:04,239 Speaker 1: It's also it's Tim Duncan. He's incredibly, incredibly boy a 790 00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:06,960 Speaker 1: great job today on the Herd. Thanks so much for Jonas. 791 00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:10,120 Speaker 1: Follow him on Twitter. He's your shot, Phillips. Thanks for 792 00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:12,640 Speaker 1: joining us. Thank you, Doug. You to main like always 793 00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:18,040 Speaker 1: all right in a tip for tat Uh. Yesterday we 794 00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:22,120 Speaker 1: recorded his first podcast. It's called Good and Plenty. He's 795 00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:26,839 Speaker 1: Jeff Goodman now of Stadium Sports, and he joins us 796 00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:30,080 Speaker 1: here on the All Ball Podcast. I have topics that 797 00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:31,320 Speaker 1: I don't know if you got to the rest of 798 00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:33,880 Speaker 1: your On the rest of your podcast, we talked a 799 00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:36,640 Speaker 1: little bit on yours about DeAndre Atan, the death of 800 00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:39,719 Speaker 1: the death of the modern day Center. Here's what I 801 00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:45,160 Speaker 1: want to get to, um Luca don Check. It feels 802 00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:50,000 Speaker 1: to me like we're massively underrating him massively And here's 803 00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:54,680 Speaker 1: why overrating though, didn't we like like because ESPN and 804 00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:57,040 Speaker 1: and Jonvin Tivoni and Mike Schmid's had him is like 805 00:42:57,160 --> 00:43:00,359 Speaker 1: the number one pick all year, so we started rating 806 00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:02,840 Speaker 1: him and now I think we are underrating him and 807 00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:05,280 Speaker 1: people saying he's the number four pick and picking apart 808 00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:08,960 Speaker 1: his game and he's he's not athletic. He's probably somewhere 809 00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:12,560 Speaker 1: in between. Right, Well, I guess, I guess. Look, there's 810 00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:14,600 Speaker 1: a there's a question here, Okay, there's there's a bunch 811 00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:19,080 Speaker 1: of things that go into it. Um, would you say, 812 00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:22,520 Speaker 1: how competent a shooter do you think he is? I 813 00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:24,560 Speaker 1: mean from what I've watched on film and I've watched 814 00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:27,760 Speaker 1: a ton is is he's pretty good. I mean he's streaky, 815 00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:31,320 Speaker 1: but his stout looks it looks nice. I mean the releases, 816 00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:34,480 Speaker 1: it looks good. I mean he's gonna make shots in 817 00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:37,560 Speaker 1: the league, partially because he's already a pretty good shooter. 818 00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:41,839 Speaker 1: He's young, and his work ethic is good, and he's 819 00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:46,399 Speaker 1: really confident, almost on the border of um cocky, which 820 00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:49,440 Speaker 1: he's gonna need to be coming into the NBA. Well, 821 00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:51,360 Speaker 1: it's it's it's fascinating. I got into a little bit 822 00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:53,640 Speaker 1: of the confidence in the air against the Michael Porter Jr. 823 00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:56,120 Speaker 1: And some of his most recent comments. Uh, well, I 824 00:43:56,120 --> 00:43:58,920 Speaker 1: want to get to those. I think it's interesting though, 825 00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:01,160 Speaker 1: that like we're not paying it tension enough attention to 826 00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:03,640 Speaker 1: trends in the NBA. I talked to several people in 827 00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:06,719 Speaker 1: the NBA. Look, we ain't drafting anybody that can't shoot, 828 00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:09,480 Speaker 1: which is not you know, We're just not drafting like 829 00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:15,319 Speaker 1: we'll find if that's the big or if it's an 830 00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:17,359 Speaker 1: or if it's if it's a Janice, you know, if 831 00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:23,439 Speaker 1: it's a game changing ball handling, super long athletic, maybe 832 00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:26,080 Speaker 1: we can teach him how to shoot Ben Simmons type, right, 833 00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:29,000 Speaker 1: Like those guys, well, those guys are stars. And in 834 00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:31,880 Speaker 1: the only way those guys can be who you know, 835 00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:34,120 Speaker 1: reach their potential is if you space the floor and 836 00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:37,319 Speaker 1: put three point shooters. So it's interesting with the Don 837 00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:39,239 Speaker 1: Chick thing, where I I do think he's gonna be 838 00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:41,399 Speaker 1: a very good shoot in the NBA. I don't think 839 00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:44,120 Speaker 1: he may not ever be the best player on his team, 840 00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:47,800 Speaker 1: but I mean, considering it his age, winning a Euro 841 00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:53,160 Speaker 1: winning a La Liga as well, and being the best 842 00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:55,320 Speaker 1: player on that team and the kind of leader of 843 00:44:55,400 --> 00:45:00,319 Speaker 1: the team and dominant, that's that's pretty crazy that we're 844 00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:04,399 Speaker 1: comparing him to whether it's Michael Porter Jr. Who played 845 00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:07,520 Speaker 1: in three games, or DeAndre and who we all considered 846 00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:09,200 Speaker 1: to be a beast, but there are no good centers 847 00:45:09,239 --> 00:45:11,880 Speaker 1: in college basketball. And yeah, he was dominant, but he 848 00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:13,960 Speaker 1: got beat in the first round the n c A Tournament. 849 00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:16,320 Speaker 1: So I think it's a it's a really hard comparison 850 00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:18,840 Speaker 1: to make because the quality of competition is so different 851 00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:24,080 Speaker 1: and he's so different than everybody else you've mentioned, and 852 00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:25,839 Speaker 1: that's why, like you said, you do have to pay 853 00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:28,239 Speaker 1: attention to the trends a little bit. I agree with you. 854 00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:31,120 Speaker 1: He's probably he's probably not capable of being a number 855 00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:33,839 Speaker 1: one guy on his team, but that's fine if he's 856 00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:36,200 Speaker 1: in the number four pick in Memphis and your pair 857 00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:38,520 Speaker 1: him with Conley and you've obviously got to add a 858 00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:41,480 Speaker 1: couple more pieces. But he's a guy you can build around, 859 00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:44,440 Speaker 1: you know. To me, can he be a Gordon Hayward type? 860 00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:47,160 Speaker 1: That's who I think. I think. I think it's a 861 00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:49,040 Speaker 1: really good comp I think the Gordon Hayward is a 862 00:45:49,120 --> 00:45:52,120 Speaker 1: really good, really good, really good comp Gordon Haywards a 863 00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:54,120 Speaker 1: little bit bigger than he is, but he can do 864 00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:57,960 Speaker 1: every could pass, he could shoot. He was Hayward's more athletic, 865 00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:01,080 Speaker 1: but he just knew how to play, did everything well. 866 00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:05,319 Speaker 1: Nothing e elite level, but he's a great number two 867 00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:07,680 Speaker 1: guy on a team. All right? How do how do 868 00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:11,840 Speaker 1: NBA people view some of these young guys and their comments? 869 00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:14,040 Speaker 1: Tray Young earlier today, I want to do something that's 870 00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:16,759 Speaker 1: never been done. Dan Patrick asked him if there's a 871 00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:20,520 Speaker 1: better shooter out there. He said maybe Stephan Clay, Michael 872 00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:24,680 Speaker 1: Porter Jr. Comparing himself to Janice and to t mac um. 873 00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:29,000 Speaker 1: Even DeAndre Atan's made some weird comments here. What I said, 874 00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:31,560 Speaker 1: I said, like, look, we we've almost concreated these cyboards. Right, 875 00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:35,480 Speaker 1: they look like humans, but they're clearly not human beings. Right, 876 00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:38,920 Speaker 1: They're not They they're not. They don't understand the idea 877 00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:41,320 Speaker 1: that we want you to, even if you're not humble, 878 00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:45,040 Speaker 1: to appear to be humble. Like when when Taylor Swift 879 00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:47,760 Speaker 1: every time she gets an award, every time she gets 880 00:46:48,239 --> 00:46:51,040 Speaker 1: a Grammy, she gets up there and she's like, oh 881 00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:54,440 Speaker 1: my god, I can't believe it. And that's how we 882 00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:57,399 Speaker 1: want you to at least purport yourself, especially when you're 883 00:46:57,440 --> 00:47:00,040 Speaker 1: super young. How do NBA people view these guys? It? 884 00:47:01,520 --> 00:47:05,400 Speaker 1: I wish I could play back the comment that Marquel 885 00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:08,160 Speaker 1: folds me to me before he played a game at 886 00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:13,279 Speaker 1: Washington A year and a half ago, about a year right, yeah, um, right, 887 00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:14,879 Speaker 1: about a year and a half, two years ago, whatever 888 00:47:14,920 --> 00:47:17,040 Speaker 1: it was. And I asked him, I said, what are 889 00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:18,880 Speaker 1: your you know, what are your goals, what are your 890 00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:22,080 Speaker 1: expectations whatever? He said, to be the best player ever 891 00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:24,520 Speaker 1: to play this game, and he didn't played a game 892 00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:27,000 Speaker 1: at Washington yet, And I just kind of like was like, 893 00:47:27,160 --> 00:47:30,359 Speaker 1: come on, man, like, like you've you've proven nothing at 894 00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:33,120 Speaker 1: this point. You've got a number one ranking because of 895 00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:36,400 Speaker 1: what you did in AU basketball. It means nothing. And 896 00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:40,359 Speaker 1: I just wish some of these kids would would would 897 00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:43,640 Speaker 1: show the the humility that I think we love Steph 898 00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:47,640 Speaker 1: Curry for. He always says the right things Lebron, even 899 00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:51,000 Speaker 1: for being the best player in the planet. Lebron's pretty 900 00:47:51,080 --> 00:47:53,640 Speaker 1: humble for the most part. I mean, he gives credit 901 00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:57,080 Speaker 1: where credits due. Obviously he knows he's the best player 902 00:47:57,160 --> 00:47:59,440 Speaker 1: in the on the planet. And sometimes he can get 903 00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:02,400 Speaker 1: carried away and come across as arrogant um. But I 904 00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:06,000 Speaker 1: think these kids have proven nothing. Lebron is the best player. 905 00:48:06,640 --> 00:48:09,160 Speaker 1: You can make a case one of the top three players. Ever, 906 00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:10,799 Speaker 1: however you want to put him one, two or three, 907 00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:14,320 Speaker 1: it doesn't matter. These guys haven't done anything yet. You know, 908 00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:17,640 Speaker 1: it's it's it's it's Also, remember when Lebron came out, 909 00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:22,160 Speaker 1: it wasn't close. Like we could get onto Lebron for saying, well, 910 00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:24,840 Speaker 1: you know man, you you can say I wasn't supposed 911 00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:27,200 Speaker 1: to be here, but you had the chosen one tattooed 912 00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:30,960 Speaker 1: across your back. The difference is I was there for 913 00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:33,279 Speaker 1: the two thousand three draft. I watched him play in 914 00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:36,440 Speaker 1: high school. I watched him. It wasn't close. There was 915 00:48:36,600 --> 00:48:39,919 Speaker 1: no one in his stratosphere. So even if it felt 916 00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:42,040 Speaker 1: like bragging at the time, like you know what, it 917 00:48:42,120 --> 00:48:43,839 Speaker 1: wasn't really bragging. It was kind of a matter of fact. 918 00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:47,120 Speaker 1: Whereas these kids are super talented, there's really skilled, but 919 00:48:47,560 --> 00:48:50,480 Speaker 1: there's there's no separation between them and the rest of 920 00:48:50,520 --> 00:48:52,479 Speaker 1: the world the way there was with Lebron. So please 921 00:48:52,520 --> 00:48:56,040 Speaker 1: stop liking yourself to anybody of that ELK And oh, 922 00:48:56,120 --> 00:48:59,080 Speaker 1: by the way, Doug Michael Porter played what three games 923 00:48:59,360 --> 00:49:02,040 Speaker 1: trade on lost a lot of games. Last I checked 924 00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:04,279 Speaker 1: and DeAndre eight and got knocked out in the and 925 00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:07,960 Speaker 1: by Buffalo and got pounded. So, like, I know what, 926 00:49:08,120 --> 00:49:10,520 Speaker 1: you guys are capable of your all talent and I 927 00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:13,080 Speaker 1: like all three of them, his kids a lot, a lot. 928 00:49:13,840 --> 00:49:16,840 Speaker 1: I know all three pretty well. You're you're a hater. 929 00:49:17,600 --> 00:49:20,600 Speaker 1: You're when you relay what other NBA g ms tell 930 00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:23,239 Speaker 1: you about Michael Porter Jr. Rubbing them the wrong way, 931 00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:28,799 Speaker 1: You're an It's amazing, isn't it, Because again, all you're 932 00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:32,720 Speaker 1: doing is saying, listen. I've been called by numerous NBA 933 00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:36,160 Speaker 1: guys since before Michael Porter got hurt when he was 934 00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:39,399 Speaker 1: practicing and they were wondering what the hell is going 935 00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:41,880 Speaker 1: on with this kid? And I was shocked when I 936 00:49:41,960 --> 00:49:44,680 Speaker 1: first heard it, Doug. I was because I've sat down 937 00:49:44,719 --> 00:49:46,480 Speaker 1: with him numerous times. And when they're telling me, like, 938 00:49:46,920 --> 00:49:50,600 Speaker 1: who is this kid? You know he he conducts himself 939 00:49:50,760 --> 00:49:53,080 Speaker 1: like he's not a part of the team and arrogant 940 00:49:53,120 --> 00:49:54,719 Speaker 1: and all that, And I'm saying to myself like, is 941 00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:59,000 Speaker 1: this the same kid that I know? Um? Okay, let's 942 00:49:59,040 --> 00:50:01,120 Speaker 1: let's get to the NBA raff which is upcoming on 943 00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:05,160 Speaker 1: Thursday night. This is gonna drop on a on Wednesday morning, 944 00:50:05,200 --> 00:50:07,680 Speaker 1: so we'll get people ready for it. Um you had 945 00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:10,600 Speaker 1: you said, Luca, don chick Mike, Mike might follow all 946 00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:12,799 Speaker 1: the way to fourth Does that mean Jaren Jackson goes 947 00:50:12,920 --> 00:50:16,839 Speaker 1: third to the Atlanta Hawks. Though, yeah, I think he's 948 00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:19,399 Speaker 1: just got such high upside and and and people see 949 00:50:19,480 --> 00:50:22,080 Speaker 1: him as again like what you were saying, the new 950 00:50:22,160 --> 00:50:24,200 Speaker 1: age big, right, I mean he can he can step 951 00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:26,600 Speaker 1: out and stoot three is it's not pretty. I think 952 00:50:26,640 --> 00:50:29,200 Speaker 1: he's gonna get a lot of stouts blocked on clothes 953 00:50:29,239 --> 00:50:31,160 Speaker 1: out shooting the three because he shoots a you know, 954 00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:34,720 Speaker 1: really low release point um and it doesn't have great rotation. 955 00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:39,360 Speaker 1: But again, if the get better, he'll get better on that. 956 00:50:39,560 --> 00:50:41,840 Speaker 1: He will, he'll get better. And he's really good defensively, 957 00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:44,920 Speaker 1: and he's super high character and he works and he's 958 00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:47,640 Speaker 1: humble and all that. So I think I think he's 959 00:50:47,640 --> 00:50:50,120 Speaker 1: gonna be a good NBA player. You know, I saw 960 00:50:50,200 --> 00:50:53,800 Speaker 1: somebody comparing me like Kevin Garnett today or yesterday, and 961 00:50:53,800 --> 00:50:56,040 Speaker 1: I'm like, come on, listen, listen, let me let me 962 00:50:56,080 --> 00:50:58,400 Speaker 1: just let me let me explain something. Okay, at this end, 963 00:50:58,400 --> 00:51:00,520 Speaker 1: it's very and now now listen, Kevin Garnet was also 964 00:51:01,120 --> 00:51:05,520 Speaker 1: nineteen when you graduated high school, whereas Jaren Jackson, he's 965 00:51:05,600 --> 00:51:07,960 Speaker 1: really young. Um, I don't know, if I don't know, 966 00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:14,880 Speaker 1: is he is even nineteen, Yeah, nineteen later this year. Okay, 967 00:51:15,040 --> 00:51:18,080 Speaker 1: so so so this is an important part to make point, 968 00:51:18,120 --> 00:51:22,200 Speaker 1: to make My high school senior year was two was old. 969 00:51:22,200 --> 00:51:24,560 Speaker 1: I was nineteen years old. I played the Magic's Roundball 970 00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:27,759 Speaker 1: Classic and KG was in that game, but he didn't 971 00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:30,080 Speaker 1: show up until game day because he was studying for 972 00:51:30,120 --> 00:51:31,600 Speaker 1: the s A T. Took the s A T on 973 00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:33,439 Speaker 1: a Saturday to which he didn't get a passing the score, 974 00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:35,680 Speaker 1: and that's why he went directly in the NBA. Is 975 00:51:35,719 --> 00:51:38,240 Speaker 1: Here's some of the Stefan Marbury in that game. Sreef 976 00:51:38,320 --> 00:51:41,600 Speaker 1: up him in that game, Vince Carter in that game, UM, 977 00:51:42,520 --> 00:51:46,719 Speaker 1: Robert Trailer in that game. Unbelievable list of players we 978 00:51:46,920 --> 00:51:49,600 Speaker 1: practiced for the weekly enough. I replaced Johnson Billis who 979 00:51:49,600 --> 00:51:52,600 Speaker 1: had a shoulder injury in that game, loaded up with 980 00:51:52,719 --> 00:51:56,400 Speaker 1: guys that played a decade in the NBA. It wasn't 981 00:51:57,320 --> 00:51:59,160 Speaker 1: I want to know how many shots took in that game. 982 00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:01,680 Speaker 1: How many shouts I didn't take? Not very many, No, 983 00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:03,960 Speaker 1: I had like I did a good job. Honestly, my 984 00:52:04,200 --> 00:52:06,320 Speaker 1: my my sole focus in that game was the shutdown. 985 00:52:06,360 --> 00:52:09,120 Speaker 1: Step on Marbury not get crossed up. And I really 986 00:52:09,160 --> 00:52:12,320 Speaker 1: frustrate stefh And and he shot up. He shot a 987 00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:14,960 Speaker 1: terrible percentage. I had a couple of good times. I 988 00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:16,759 Speaker 1: think I only made one layup. I took like one 989 00:52:16,880 --> 00:52:19,839 Speaker 1: or two threes and that's about it. I was just facilitating. 990 00:52:19,840 --> 00:52:23,320 Speaker 1: I mean there's some dudes anyway. UM. My point is 991 00:52:24,160 --> 00:52:25,640 Speaker 1: like two people who are like, well, he's a lot, 992 00:52:25,719 --> 00:52:28,680 Speaker 1: like is he long? And can he play facing up 993 00:52:28,719 --> 00:52:32,000 Speaker 1: the basket? Like yeah, but before you even liking him, 994 00:52:32,040 --> 00:52:33,560 Speaker 1: and even even if you want to say he's like 995 00:52:33,680 --> 00:52:35,440 Speaker 1: Kevin Garnett when he came out of high school, no 996 00:52:35,520 --> 00:52:39,400 Speaker 1: he's not. Kevin Garnett was the best player in America 997 00:52:39,640 --> 00:52:43,239 Speaker 1: and it wasn't close. Jaren Jackson, Look, I think he 998 00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:45,080 Speaker 1: has a chance to be a really good face up 999 00:52:45,160 --> 00:52:47,920 Speaker 1: athletic big you can defend the rim as well, um 1000 00:52:48,239 --> 00:52:50,480 Speaker 1: somewhere between, you know, a slash four or five. But 1001 00:52:50,600 --> 00:52:56,960 Speaker 1: he's I think he's gonna be good. He's not. I 1002 00:52:57,200 --> 00:52:59,880 Speaker 1: I think that's more Bagley. I also think Badley can 1003 00:53:00,040 --> 00:53:01,719 Speaker 1: handle it and shoot a little bit better than you think. 1004 00:53:01,760 --> 00:53:03,719 Speaker 1: I don't think he was putting that situation at Duke. 1005 00:53:04,280 --> 00:53:06,799 Speaker 1: I've seen him do a couple more things, but yeah, like, look, 1006 00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:09,040 Speaker 1: I think I don't know if he's Chris Bosh, but 1007 00:53:09,120 --> 00:53:10,680 Speaker 1: I do think he can be a face up big. 1008 00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:12,600 Speaker 1: I think he's gonna have to rework his jump shot. 1009 00:53:13,120 --> 00:53:16,720 Speaker 1: And if um, if you know the last five years, 1010 00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:18,359 Speaker 1: you look at guys that have had to rework their 1011 00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:20,759 Speaker 1: jump shots. None of them do it in the first year. 1012 00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:22,440 Speaker 1: They do it in the year between the first and 1013 00:53:22,480 --> 00:53:24,680 Speaker 1: the second year. The teams don't feel like they have 1014 00:53:24,840 --> 00:53:26,800 Speaker 1: enough time. You know, you get a guy at the 1015 00:53:26,880 --> 00:53:28,960 Speaker 1: end of June, he does all the media stuff, you 1016 00:53:29,040 --> 00:53:31,800 Speaker 1: practice him up, he goes to summer league. You know 1017 00:53:31,920 --> 00:53:34,200 Speaker 1: it's too it's too it's too late to rework through things, 1018 00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:35,879 Speaker 1: and they wait till the end of the first year. 1019 00:53:36,040 --> 00:53:38,960 Speaker 1: There's also some confirmation bias though with NBA teams. No 1020 00:53:39,040 --> 00:53:41,160 Speaker 1: one really shoots well the first year. But you're not 1021 00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:43,160 Speaker 1: gonna shoot well shooting your old jump shot. And then 1022 00:53:43,160 --> 00:53:44,600 Speaker 1: they go eat the numbers like, look, I know you 1023 00:53:44,640 --> 00:53:46,399 Speaker 1: want to shoot that shot, but look at the numbers. 1024 00:53:46,440 --> 00:53:48,160 Speaker 1: They don't lie and it helps the guy get by 1025 00:53:48,200 --> 00:53:50,160 Speaker 1: in So I agree with you, he's he's got all right. 1026 00:53:50,200 --> 00:53:52,279 Speaker 1: Let's kind of move through this the first round of 1027 00:53:52,360 --> 00:53:55,200 Speaker 1: the draft. Um, let's say don check goes goes for 1028 00:53:55,400 --> 00:53:59,000 Speaker 1: you get to five Mavericks, they go Mohamed Bamba. Yeah, 1029 00:53:59,040 --> 00:54:01,280 Speaker 1: I think so. I mean high character in New Orleans 1030 00:54:01,360 --> 00:54:03,799 Speaker 1: Noel right and and and obviously a guy who can 1031 00:54:03,840 --> 00:54:06,600 Speaker 1: shoot it. New Orleans was capped out. He never got 1032 00:54:06,680 --> 00:54:11,120 Speaker 1: better part because of his work ethic. Uh where mo Bamba? 1033 00:54:11,160 --> 00:54:15,200 Speaker 1: I think he's gonna have high work ethic. Um, He's 1034 00:54:15,239 --> 00:54:19,200 Speaker 1: obviously super long, does everything in the defensive end, and 1035 00:54:19,239 --> 00:54:21,960 Speaker 1: I think he'll be adequate offensively. I don't think he'll 1036 00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:24,120 Speaker 1: ever be a great offensive player, but I think he 1037 00:54:24,200 --> 00:54:27,960 Speaker 1: can be a solid offensive player. What happens with Trey Young? 1038 00:54:28,080 --> 00:54:31,640 Speaker 1: I've seen ESPN now having dropping as far as the 1039 00:54:31,840 --> 00:54:36,279 Speaker 1: l A Clippers at twelve his campus, saying three through eight. 1040 00:54:36,920 --> 00:54:39,439 Speaker 1: What do you think? Yeah, I don't think it's three. 1041 00:54:39,600 --> 00:54:42,719 Speaker 1: I I don't think he goes three to five. I 1042 00:54:42,840 --> 00:54:47,600 Speaker 1: think his his feeling is probably six um because of 1043 00:54:47,640 --> 00:54:51,640 Speaker 1: a need with Orlando, and I think he could fall 1044 00:54:51,760 --> 00:54:54,120 Speaker 1: to the Clippers, who clearly need a point guard and 1045 00:54:54,200 --> 00:54:55,880 Speaker 1: could take a shot at him with one of their 1046 00:54:55,920 --> 00:54:59,480 Speaker 1: two picks. Be fascinating to see. All right, check out 1047 00:54:59,560 --> 00:55:01,920 Speaker 1: his new podcast. Of course, he's gonna work for Stadium 1048 00:55:01,960 --> 00:55:05,320 Speaker 1: Sports to be joining us, hopefully more regularly. He's Jeff Goodman. 1049 00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:08,360 Speaker 1: Everybody hates him except for me. I'm kidding, Jeff, I 1050 00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:10,400 Speaker 1: don't actually like you that much. Thanks so much for 1051 00:55:10,440 --> 00:55:16,120 Speaker 1: joining us all So look as we get ready for 1052 00:55:16,200 --> 00:55:21,320 Speaker 1: the NBA draft, Um, I just I get the DeAndre 1053 00:55:21,480 --> 00:55:25,040 Speaker 1: Etan thing. He is a man child. He is skilled. 1054 00:55:25,600 --> 00:55:28,360 Speaker 1: He He's shown a much better motor in college than 1055 00:55:28,400 --> 00:55:30,800 Speaker 1: he did when he was in high school. That bodes 1056 00:55:30,880 --> 00:55:34,759 Speaker 1: well for him. He can shoot, can pass some. It's 1057 00:55:34,760 --> 00:55:36,600 Speaker 1: not a great shot blocker, but it's not like he 1058 00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:40,480 Speaker 1: can't block shots at all. I just how many times 1059 00:55:40,520 --> 00:55:42,279 Speaker 1: do we have to see a center being taken out 1060 00:55:42,320 --> 00:55:44,400 Speaker 1: of the game in a big NBA game before we 1061 00:55:44,480 --> 00:55:48,839 Speaker 1: start to think is that really the best best route? Um, 1062 00:55:49,960 --> 00:55:51,960 Speaker 1: but I gave you the guys that I would take 1063 00:55:52,080 --> 00:55:54,719 Speaker 1: instead of I would take Marvin Bagley one, even if 1064 00:55:54,800 --> 00:55:58,520 Speaker 1: I was even if I was the Phoenix Suns. Part 1065 00:55:58,600 --> 00:56:00,279 Speaker 1: of the problem with the Phoenix Suns is they just 1066 00:56:00,520 --> 00:56:03,120 Speaker 1: don't seem to have a winning culture. They got a 1067 00:56:03,160 --> 00:56:05,120 Speaker 1: lot of talent there. I do think Devin Booker still 1068 00:56:05,160 --> 00:56:07,560 Speaker 1: has a chance to be a superstar, but at some 1069 00:56:07,640 --> 00:56:09,360 Speaker 1: point they got to decide all right, we got some 1070 00:56:09,480 --> 00:56:13,600 Speaker 1: pieces we want to win. They're gonna take Ayton Bagley 1071 00:56:13,680 --> 00:56:16,279 Speaker 1: is gonna go to Sacramento, and what happens that with 1072 00:56:16,400 --> 00:56:19,680 Speaker 1: it Atlanta really kind of shapes the rest of the draft. 1073 00:56:20,200 --> 00:56:24,080 Speaker 1: My guests, just a guess is that, you know, they 1074 00:56:24,160 --> 00:56:25,800 Speaker 1: know what they have at points that they probably go 1075 00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:28,600 Speaker 1: with Jaren Jackson at three, but you know, maybe they 1076 00:56:28,680 --> 00:56:31,439 Speaker 1: go for Trey Young and maybe they try and play 1077 00:56:31,480 --> 00:56:33,320 Speaker 1: the way that Golden State did. Maybe they try and 1078 00:56:33,440 --> 00:56:37,600 Speaker 1: remake themselves in that fashion. Will we shall see. In 1079 00:56:37,640 --> 00:56:41,399 Speaker 1: the meantime, I really appreciate you downloading, rating, and subscribing 1080 00:56:41,480 --> 00:56:44,760 Speaker 1: to this podcast. It's called All Ball. It will continue 1081 00:56:44,800 --> 00:56:47,920 Speaker 1: as next next week, we'll get you ready for Lebron 1082 00:56:48,080 --> 00:56:51,319 Speaker 1: Week or Kauai Week, will react to the draft, we'll 1083 00:56:51,360 --> 00:56:53,880 Speaker 1: react to Draft day trades, and get you ready for 1084 00:56:54,080 --> 00:56:56,600 Speaker 1: free agency Bananza, and we'll begin to talk a little 1085 00:56:56,640 --> 00:56:58,680 Speaker 1: bit more about what's left the shrapnel that we gotta 1086 00:56:58,719 --> 00:57:01,560 Speaker 1: pick out. Oh yeah, college basketball, not just recruiting, but 1087 00:57:01,640 --> 00:57:04,960 Speaker 1: guys that didn't keep their name in the draft. Who benefits, 1088 00:57:05,600 --> 00:57:08,880 Speaker 1: who's strong, Who's week, the massive rebuild jobs in the 1089 00:57:08,960 --> 00:57:13,600 Speaker 1: incoming recruiting class. This is All Ball. Of Doug job.