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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff to Blow Your Mind production of My

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Speaker 1: Heart Radio. Hey you welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind.

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Speaker 1: Listener mail This is Robert Lamb and this is Joe McCormick.

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Speaker 1: And it's Monday, the day of each week that we

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Speaker 1: read back some messages from the mail bag. If you

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Speaker 1: your Mind dot com. Let's see, Rob Do you want

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Speaker 1: to kick us off with this message from Jenna about

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Speaker 1: objects hidden in walls? Yeah, this is a response to

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Speaker 1: an episode I did in October while you were on

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Speaker 1: parental leave. It was an interview with Brian Hoggard about

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Speaker 1: his book Magical House Protection The Archaeology of counter Witchcraft,

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Speaker 1: which is a fascinating topic about a lot of it

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Speaker 1: coming down to the the hiding of very as objects

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Speaker 1: like under the floorboards of an old house or in

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Speaker 1: the walls, oftentimes with some sort of a superstitious, supernatural

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Speaker 1: intent of of of confounding, capturing, or hurting the devil,

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Speaker 1: or some sort of dark entities that might potentially get

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Speaker 1: into your home and so uh we finally heard from

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Speaker 1: somebody who had some some personal history with this sort

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Speaker 1: of thing, generates in and says hello from Canada. I

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Speaker 1: have loved show dearly for many years. You're both such

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Speaker 1: exceptional curators of intrigue and knowledge. I am writing to

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Speaker 1: share a story relating to a show you had on

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Speaker 1: late last year with Brian Hoggard regarding items hidden in walls.

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry I am late on writing in on it,

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Speaker 1: but I think you will get a kick out of it.

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Speaker 1: I live in a small coastal town in the Great Lakes,

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Speaker 1: in an ancient family home that is at least one

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Speaker 1: and eighty years old and predate European settlements of the area.

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Speaker 1: I think it is the oldest structure in our county.

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Speaker 1: But the interesting house in question is a block over

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Speaker 1: from me, the house of my great grandparents. The past

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Speaker 1: two sets of folks who have owned it have discovered

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Speaker 1: quite a collection of objects in the walls during renovations.

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Speaker 1: A woman who conducts ghost walks in our local town

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Speaker 1: brought the items to my attention, but I didn't think

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Speaker 1: it was quite a curious situation. Indeed, within the walls

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Speaker 1: Isabella the Catholic cigarettes silk within it, a children's primer

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Speaker 1: with many great uncle's names in it, a handsown night

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Speaker 1: single exclamation mark on it, a pair of worn out suspenders,

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Speaker 1: she continues, I'm sorry, I just had a vision of

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Speaker 1: a new genre of YouTube videos. It's wall unboxing videos.

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Speaker 1: good to going back to the discussion with with Brian.

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Speaker 1: I mean it is good to document these things anyway,

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Speaker 1: she continues. Both my great uncle's name and the reader

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Speaker 1: and the datable objects prove with certainties someone from my

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Speaker 1: family places the objects there. I also know my grandparents

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Speaker 1: if the onset of dementia could have influenced his engagement

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Speaker 1: I was reflecting upon its quaintness one evening, and then

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Speaker 1: than we realized. How Anyway, I hope you enjoyed my

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Speaker 1: eccentric little story of life here in rural Canada. Kind regards, Jenna. Wow,

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Speaker 1: all the history here and bringing it back around not

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Speaker 1: only how our ancestors thought about these things, but how

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Speaker 1: message about our episodes on t from John. Oh, Yes,

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Speaker 1: let's have some tea. John says, Hello, Robert, Joe and

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Speaker 1: a nice, hot, pick me up. Joe, if coffee is

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Speaker 1: a try. A few years ago, my partner's parents gave

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Speaker 1: mailed me several different types of tea every month. Pretty fun.

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Speaker 1: One time the package included something called yawpon. I hope

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Speaker 1: not the same as tea. As always, Thanks for the

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Speaker 1: hours of informative entertainment. Uh. And then John puts a

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Speaker 1: Horror of Walkaway episodes, so let's say this one comes

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Speaker 1: to us from Eric. Eric writes, Greetings, gentlemen, I just

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Speaker 1: hard work and community contribution. They are taught that their

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Speaker 1: All right, this one comes to us from Dan. Dan says, hello,

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Speaker 1: what a strange cast. It also looks very pleasingly low

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Speaker 1: This next message is from Lawrence. Lawrence says, Hi, Rob

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Speaker 1: and Joe, I really enjoyed your recent Weird House episode

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Speaker 1: on Beauty and the Beast. This was the hourrage hurts

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Speaker 1: found your descriptions of the seventy eight movie really lovely.

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Speaker 1: Angela Carter retold Beauty and the Beast. Her collection, The

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