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Speaker 1: Hey, guys, they are back to normal. The show with

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Speaker 1: normal it takes for when the news gets weird.

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Speaker 2: I like that, and I'm Karl Marcowitz.

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Speaker 3: We remain at normally consumed with the murder of Charlie Kirk.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure that is true for a lot of you

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Speaker 3: Hear from a lot of my normy friends whose jobs

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Speaker 3: are not in politics, who are not online all the time,

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Speaker 3: that they really can't stop thinking about Charlie and what happened,

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Speaker 3: and it's affected them so much.

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Speaker 2: So we're going to talk about it some more today, And.

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Speaker 3: Today we're going to start with why did the killer

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Speaker 3: did this and all the different reasons that crazy people

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Speaker 3: on the internet have invented for it.

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Speaker 1: Mm hmmm. Yeah. There has been an attempt to sort

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Speaker 1: of make sure that everyone left of center and anyone

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Speaker 1: else they can grab, understands that a groyper, a right

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Speaker 1: leaning far right person is the person who perpetrated this crime. Now,

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Speaker 1: those same people will tell you, oh, we must be

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Speaker 1: very measured and slow to come to conclusions about motives.

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Speaker 1: I will grant you that, right, Like, there's an Okham's

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Speaker 1: raiser here where if someone's killing Charlie Kirk, I think

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Speaker 1: we can guess what that person's political leanings and motives

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Speaker 1: might be. But there are assassinations that happen that are

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Speaker 1: just a crazy person. Jared Laffner shooting Gabby Gifford's is one.

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Speaker 1: Hinckley shooting Reagan is one. These were not politically motivated,

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Speaker 1: but they are assassination attempts.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 1: In this case, we now have evidence that it was

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Speaker 1: not some far right leaning person or someone who agreed

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Speaker 1: super hard with Charlie Kirk. It was, in fact a

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Speaker 1: We have texts between the two of them released by

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Speaker 1: law enforcement to that effect, saying I did it because

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Speaker 1: I couldn't take his hate. Some hate you can't negotiate

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so he was pretty clear there.

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Speaker 3: I'll say that you know, this lie that it was

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Speaker 3: somebody on the right that did this is effective. There

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Speaker 3: was a y goov survey released where the question was,

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Speaker 3: as far as you know, is the person who shot

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Speaker 3: Charliekirk dot dot dot question mark a Democrat twenty one percent,

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Speaker 3: but more people think the person who shot Charlie Kirk

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Speaker 2: That's a problem, and.

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Speaker 1: It's on purpose. It's on purpose.

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Speaker 3: It's clear that the media is not just not doing

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Speaker 3: its job of educating the public letting people know what

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I think I've written before, and I think it might

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Speaker 1: have been into discussion that when there is left wing violence,

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Speaker 1: that's very very clear, they either erase it entirely so

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Speaker 1: they can move on, or they alchemize it into right

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Speaker 1: wing violence. Right, So this is a great example of

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Speaker 1: them sort of just turning it into right wing violence

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Speaker 2: Guys holding back the horns.

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Speaker 1: It's like to say, guys, you have fooled yourself into

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Speaker 1: believing this thing that's not real. There is zero evidence

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Speaker 1: So shout out to him for that. Jimmy Kimmel, on

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Speaker 1: the other hand, really taken the first theory and running

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Speaker 5: New Lows over the weekend with the Magga Gang desperately

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Speaker 5: anything other than one of them and do everything they

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Speaker 5: can to score political points from it. In between the

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Speaker 5: finger pointing, there was grieving. On Friday, the White House

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Speaker 5: flew the flags at half staff, which got some criticism,

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Speaker 5: but on a human level, you can see how hard

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Speaker 5: the President is taking this a adults on the lock.

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Speaker 1: Of your friend Charlie Kirk, Sir personally, how are you

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Speaker 1: holding up for the last day and a half, sirve.

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Speaker 3: I think very good. And by the way, right there

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Speaker 3: you see all the trucks.

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Speaker 1: They just started construction.

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Speaker 5: Of the new ball room for the White House, which.

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Speaker 5: As you know, for about one hundred and fifty years,

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Speaker 5: the fourth stage of grief. Construction, the demolition.

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Speaker 5: This is not how an adult griefs the murderer of

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Speaker 1: Okay, the right's response, or was the new low the

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Speaker 3: If you want to talk a new new low, it's

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Speaker 2: I mean, what is the argument here that this.

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Speaker 3: Guy just loved Charlie Kirk so much he wanted to

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Speaker 1: Like he killed them well, and some of the arguments

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Speaker 1: bullets to set up the left. Randy Weingarten, head of

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Speaker 1: the Teacher's Union and famously democratically aligned national figure who

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Speaker 1: gets to write their policies for them, she put out

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Speaker 1: like the false flag narrative in detail from some a poster.

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Speaker 1: and someone read this. Some of you read this as

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Speaker 1: we just read what you posted.

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Speaker 3: Yeah about your post seracy theories.

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Speaker 2: She's all about it.

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Speaker 3: During COVID she said that Ron DeSantis was hiding COVID deaths.

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Speaker 3: I mean, she's often at the at the forefront of that.

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Speaker 3: It makes no sense, and it's so disingenuous. And again,

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Speaker 3: what's the most unfortunate about it is that it's working.

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Speaker 3: And I think if you're getting your news from mainstream media,

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Speaker 2: In twenty twenty five, double check it, double check it.

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Speaker 3: Friends, it isn't you know without question that they could

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Speaker 1: I wanted to add Kaitlin Collins here, she was interviewing

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Speaker 1: establishing a motive Senator, Senator. There are lots of instances

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Speaker 1: So magically, yet another thing has been alchemized somehow into

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Speaker 3: Yeah, a lot of people are also picking up the

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Speaker 3: do our best, but if you're hearing that this is

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Speaker 3: he just loved the way he magot and he wanted

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Speaker 2: Him, and he wanted to kill him.

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Speaker 3: That makes no sense at all.

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Speaker 3: On the right there is some of this where some

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Speaker 2: Again, why why would they kill somebody who was such

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Speaker 3: Why wouldn't they Again, nobody's suggesting that anybody should die

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Speaker 3: for their beliefs, But why would they go after somebody

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Speaker 2: That why are all those people safe?

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Speaker 1: That is a mystery, Like, that's the thing. None of

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Speaker 1: three assassination investigations slash trials happening right now. Luigi Mangioni,

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Speaker 3: I would say that, you know, I'm pleased that those

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Speaker 3: But you know, when the right needs self policing, there

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Speaker 3: is not who we are, and I'd love to see

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Speaker 1: A really good example of that was yesterday when Pam

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Speaker 1: Bondi stepped in it twice by totally messing up the

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Speaker 1: this case, I do think she was really wrong about this.

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Speaker 2: Totally agree.

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Speaker 1: More coming up on normally, but before that, I want

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Speaker 1: carols in my hearts. It was nearly two years ago

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Speaker 1: drowned out by shouts of anti Semitic hatred, and the

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Speaker 1: Of the she's working so hard. It's to depend people

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Speaker 3: She's gone back to the is to say, I'm sure

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Speaker 3: They just don't. And the thing is the left just

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Speaker 1: book tour about how teachers are the antidote to fascism.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I guess people who don't remember four years ago

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Speaker 3: will maybe believe that because I remember her fascist shutting

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Speaker 3: down of schools and then and then shutting down the

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Speaker 3: opinions of anybody who disagreed with her, and working with

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Speaker 3: the media to do it, you know, and the government obviously,

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Speaker 3: but with the media, they helped her, and they made

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Speaker 3: sure that people were misinformed about what was actually going on,

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Speaker 3: so that Randy Winegarden could get her.

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Speaker 1: Way, yes, you know, or left, she's going to go

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Speaker 1: all around the country and be like the fascists who

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Speaker 1: live in this country are the problem, and they're all

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Speaker 1: just gonna talk about it all day long. Gleefully, let's

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Speaker 1: take a.

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Speaker 3: Short break and we'll be right back on normally talking

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Speaker 3: about how to talk to your kids about this.

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Speaker 1: We are back on normally, and I'm actually gonna toss

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Speaker 1: around some ideas ask for some advice, because I don't

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Speaker 1: usually run into the issue of not knowing how to

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Speaker 1: talk to my kids about something. Often I feel pretty

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Speaker 1: confident about what I can take a pass on and

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Speaker 1: it's too grown up for them, or things that we

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Speaker 1: need to address and that kind of thing. But I

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Speaker 1: find that my values are colliding here because I want

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Speaker 1: my kids to know the importance of speech, the importance

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Speaker 1: of someone like Charlie. They were too young to really

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Speaker 1: watch him or know who he was. They don't do

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Speaker 1: a lot of internet access, but they are old enough

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Speaker 1: to be scared for me, and they are going to

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Speaker 1: clock right away that Charlie's job was Mom's job, and

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Speaker 1: that when I travel to do it, you know, it's

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Speaker 1: not that it's not that satisfying to be like, it's

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Speaker 1: statistically improbable that doing my job. I don't know how

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Speaker 1: deep to go with this with them, but I think

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Speaker 1: it's really important that they understand it also.

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Speaker 3: And it's also the but even if you don't do

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Speaker 3: what we do, we tell our kids to stand up

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Speaker 3: for their opinions, to say what they really think, to

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Speaker 3: be fearless in their lives, to be brave. And here

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Speaker 3: with somebody who was fearless. And here's somebody who was brave.

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Speaker 3: And here's somebody who was saying what he really thought

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Speaker 3: and living his faith and doing all the things that

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Speaker 3: we tell our kids to do, and he was killed

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Speaker 3: for it.

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Speaker 2: It's very, very hard.

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Speaker 3: I think also, as your kids get older, they're going

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Speaker 3: to hear about things you know before you get a

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Speaker 3: chance to fill it in. So like what you're saying

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Speaker 3: to them now lays the basis for later, and it's

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Speaker 3: a really tough call. I don't know. I think that

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Speaker 3: I know you're doing a great job, and I think

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Speaker 3: that having an open line of communication with your kids

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Speaker 3: where they could tell you, Mom, i'm afraid for you,

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Speaker 3: is the best result.

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Speaker 2: It's what you want.

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Speaker 3: You want them to be able to tell you their

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Speaker 3: fears and what they're really thinking about.

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Speaker 1: No, that's a fair point. We were kind of in

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Speaker 1: this little bubble of being on a family trip when

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Speaker 1: this happened, as you guys were as well, and so

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Speaker 1: I didn't broach it then, but I have broached it

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Speaker 1: lightly since, and I probably do need to have like

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Speaker 1: a you know, like a sit down with them where

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Speaker 1: they could toss around some ideas about it, because they're

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Speaker 1: old enough to metabolize it. They're old enough to think

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Speaker 1: about it, and they're old enough to think about, you know,

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Speaker 1: and to hear about why speech is important, why standing

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Speaker 1: up for yourself is important, Like it's actually more important

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Speaker 1: that I go do my job, yeah than it was

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Speaker 1: lasting exactly. Since this is a hard subject, I want

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Speaker 1: to uplift us with Billy Corgan of The Smashing Pumpkins

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Speaker 1: talking to Bill Maher about parenthood. And I also saw

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Speaker 1: a clip from Bob Odenkirk of Better Call Saul and

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Speaker 1: Breaking Bad Fame talking about parenthood recently too, and he

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Speaker 1: said the great thing about parenting young children is that

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Speaker 1: you never have to wonder what your purpose is because

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Speaker 1: your purpose is right in front of you all the time.

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Speaker 1: And she said he was actually jealous of people who

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Speaker 1: have young kids in their house because they don't have

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Speaker 1: to worry about their own vanity and their ambitions and there,

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Speaker 1: which is like such a nice frame if you're living

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Speaker 1: in it feels like hmmm, sy wethink it. But here's

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Speaker 1: here's Billy Corgan talking about parenthood in a beautiful way.

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Speaker 1: And I'm loving this trend. I hope we can see

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Speaker 1: more of it.

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Speaker 4: I had a million dollars by the time I was

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Speaker 4: twenty four years old. Okay. A year before that, I

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Speaker 4: was making twelve thousand dollars a year working at a

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Speaker 4: record store, and I was broke. So I'm a million

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Speaker 4: you know. I mean, we grew up in a time

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Speaker 4: where millionaire. These days millionaires not doesn't mean as much.

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Speaker 4: But the word millionaire still meant something in my brain

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Speaker 4: when I was twenty years old. So I have a

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Speaker 4: million dollars when I'm twenty four years old. By the

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Speaker 4: time I'm twenty six, I'm TV Platinum Records, Sarahight Live Cover,

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Speaker 4: Rolling Stone. I mean I basically did by my mid twenties,

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Speaker 4: like most of the checklists.

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Speaker 2: All the bucks, okay, and I.

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Speaker 4: Never felt this sense of satisfaction about it, and I

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Speaker 4: couldn't quite understand why because everybody around me is like,

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Speaker 4: this is fucking incredible, and I was like, it is

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Speaker 4: and it isn't okay. So to answer your question, the

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Speaker 4: problem with all of it is transactional because no matter

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Speaker 4: how many hit songs you write, it's always what about

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Speaker 4: the next one. No matter how many records you're sold,

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Speaker 4: there's always somebody's going to sell more records than you.

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Speaker 4: No matter how good you are, there's always somebody telling

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Speaker 4: you writing online that you're the worst thing that ever happened.

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Speaker 4: There was always like an asterisk or a qualifier. And

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Speaker 4: I mean even my band at times was transactional with me.

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Speaker 4: I mean I would write these massive songs and they

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Speaker 4: were kind of like they didn't give a shit. It

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Speaker 4: was weird. W Well, that could send a band psychology

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Speaker 4: and we could talk about it if you want. But

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Speaker 4: just to finish the little spiel, only unconditional love in

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Speaker 4: some facet of your life gives you the proper perspective

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Speaker 4: to appreciate what is great about transactional things, but allows

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Speaker 4: you to see them for what they are, which is transactional.

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Speaker 4: There's no val hall at the top of Rock Mountain.

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Speaker 4: There isn't and I've been there multiple times. So when

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Speaker 4: I stand in front of sixty five thousand people, in

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Speaker 4: my hierarchical mind, my family is still above that.

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Speaker 2: Right Sure.

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Speaker 4: I tell my kids all the time, and there's still

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Speaker 4: little kids, and hopefully it'll endure in their brain.

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Speaker 2: I love that so much.

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Speaker 1: That was so nice, and like listen to people like him.

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Speaker 1: I think Scotti Scheffler the golfer, was another one who

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Speaker 1: recently said almost exactly this, So that I can win

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Speaker 1: every tournament and it's done by the next week, right,

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Speaker 1: the things that matter are my kids and my wife.

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Speaker 1: He has one kid, My kid, and my wife. And

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Speaker 1: it's interesting to hear people who have hit that pinnacle

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Speaker 1: of success say that this is still the thing that

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Speaker 1: I love, really really matters.

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Speaker 3: I love it and just to bring it back around.

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Speaker 3: That's what Charlie would say as well. Well, thanks for

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Speaker 3: joining us on Normally Normally airs Tuesdays and Thursdays, and

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Speaker 3: you could subscribe anywhere.

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Speaker 2: You get your podcasts.

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Speaker 3: Get in touch with us at Normallythepod at gmail dot com.

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Speaker 3: Thanks for listening, and when things get weird, act normally