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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight. From Coast to Coast am on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: And welcome back to Coast to Coast, George, nor with you,

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Speaker 2: Paul Jeffrey David's with Us got to start in the

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Speaker 2: entertainment business with production work and writing for the Transformers

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Speaker 2: animated TV shows Remember them as Many films over the

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Speaker 2: last four decades have tackled subjects of keen interest and

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Speaker 2: include films such as Roswell, the UFO, cover Up for Showtime,

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Speaker 2: Timothy Larry's Dead, The Sci Fi Boys, Marilyn Monroe, de Classified,

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Speaker 2: and the several films about life after death. Paul David's

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Speaker 2: Back on Coast to Coast. Hey Paul, how've you been?

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Speaker 3: Hi? George? Life is good.

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Speaker 2: Looking forward to this. You have such an incredible background.

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Speaker 2: How did you get started in this field?

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Speaker 3: Well, it really started when I was a kid making

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Speaker 3: amateur monster movies of dragons and dinosaurs and eight millimeter

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Speaker 3: it was before video and I one excuse me, brogging

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Speaker 3: my throat. I won a national award for one of

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Speaker 3: my films when I was a kid, and after college

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Speaker 3: I applied to the American Film Institute Center for Advanced

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Speaker 3: Film Studies. It was its opening year in Beverly Hills,

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Speaker 3: and they had quite a group. They only accepted eighteen people,

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Speaker 3: and I was very lucky to be one of them.

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Speaker 3: We all had a full fellowship. They paid for the

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Speaker 3: production of my student film there and after that program,

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Speaker 3: it took a few years, but then I did get

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Speaker 3: gradually established in the business, first by working for a

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Speaker 3: famous agent, Paul Kohner, and it took many years before

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Speaker 3: I was making my own projects. But The Transformers was

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Speaker 3: one of the big breakthroughs because I was not only

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Speaker 3: writing scripts, but I was the production coordinator for all

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Speaker 3: of those early cartoons, seventy nine episodes. I was a

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Speaker 3: board at Marvel, so that's where it began.

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Speaker 2: Well, you do a great job. I remember we talked

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Speaker 2: years ago about Forrest Ackerman, the father of sci fi,

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Speaker 2: and you had an event at by then Buddy's house,

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Speaker 2: didn't you in La.

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Speaker 3: Yes, I was very close to Forrest j Ackerman. He

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Speaker 3: did coin the term sci fi. He was the editor

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Speaker 3: of almost two hundred issues of Famous Monsters magazine, and

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Speaker 3: I was a fan. Became very very close, and he

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Speaker 3: was a skeptic. You couldn't argue with him. He was

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Speaker 3: an atheist. He didn't believe in life after death. He

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Speaker 3: didn't even believe in that flying saucers were real, so

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Speaker 3: in spite of the fact that so much of his

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Speaker 3: work involved those subjects, but his fiction. But he did

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Speaker 3: say that when I'm gone, if it turns out that

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Speaker 3: I'm wrong and there's a big sci fi convention in

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Speaker 3: the sky, maybe I'll try to drop you a line.

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Speaker 3: He died in December of two thousand and eight, and

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Speaker 3: in two thousand and nine, March after we held a

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Speaker 3: huge tribute for him at the Egyptian Theater in Hollywood.

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Speaker 3: Really really strange stuff started happening to me and others

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Speaker 3: who were close to him. I mean, it was like

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Speaker 3: life turned into the Twilight Zone with things relating to

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Speaker 3: Fari happening that you just couldn't explain it.

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Speaker 2: Scary things are things that were dangerous?

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Speaker 3: Oh no, not at all. You know, Fari had a

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Speaker 3: great sense of humor, and he loved puns. He was

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Speaker 3: a mischief maker. So a lot of these things that

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Speaker 3: would happen that suggested that he was still around had

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Speaker 3: his sense of mischief in them. And this is what

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Speaker 3: led me to begin making films about life after death.

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Speaker 3: I've made three feature documentaries. Now, one of them was

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Speaker 3: the one that was a seance that we held at

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Speaker 3: Farre's house. That was the one that you were referring to.

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Speaker 3: But no, I researched the subject with mediums with doctor

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Speaker 3: Gary Schwartz of the University of Arizona, Tucson, with his

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Speaker 3: theories of using electronic means to contact the other side.

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Speaker 3: I got very, very deeply involved in all of that,

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Speaker 3: and I want to I want your viewers to know

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Speaker 3: that all of the three Life After Death Project films

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Speaker 3: word project or you want to find it. It's a

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Speaker 3: Life After Death Project one, two, and three. And of them,

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Speaker 3: it turns out that number two is really online more

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Speaker 3: popular than any other film I've made. And I can't

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Speaker 3: It's getting about a million minutes of views every month,

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Speaker 2: That's amazing.

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Speaker 2: The book you wrote last year is called Growing Up

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Speaker 2: Sci Fi in Garrett Park. Now, there is Garrett Park

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Speaker 2: in Maryland. There's also one in northern California. Which one

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Speaker 3: This is Maryland. I was a kid from Maryland on

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Speaker 3: I was your typical hot shot materialist who thought he

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Speaker 2: Change in a big way too for you, didn't they.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Now, the book you mentioned growing Up sci Fi

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Speaker 3: But the paranormal stuff, it didn't actually start for the

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Speaker 3: first time with Fari in two thousand and nine. It

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Speaker 3: was in nineteen eighty three. I was a segment producer

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Speaker 2: He was one of the Big Ease.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. He was one of the defenders of O. J.

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Speaker 3: we would screen stories that we'd find from any source,

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Speaker 3: take a polygraph on the air. Ed Gelb, the head

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Speaker 3: But again, that was nineteen eighty three, and it wasn't

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Speaker 3: I really really became involved when it directly affected me,

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Speaker 3: from FORI. And where this leads in conversation I hope

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Speaker 3: George is I want to talk about the passing of

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Speaker 3: my parents and my father in law and the strange

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Speaker 3: things that are recorded that happen when people. So many

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Speaker 2: Yeah, tell us about this photo you sent to us

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Speaker 3: Paul Okay. So, the photo was taken in nineteen forty.

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Speaker 3: And this was in a family photo album, and there

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Speaker 3: Because of where it was taken and how my parents

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Speaker 2: And you weren't even around then.

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Speaker 3: We hadn't been conceived, you know. I was born in

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Speaker 3: nineteen forty seven, giving away my age. I'm not exactly

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Speaker 3: And then what's so strange also is it's a double exposure.

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Speaker 3: But it looks like my father has three ties and

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Speaker 3: two noses. If you look carefully at my father's face,

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Speaker 3: you will see there was his nose as it looked

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Speaker 3: when he was young in nineteen forty, and there's also

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Speaker 3: his nose as he looked as an older man. Can

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Speaker 3: see the change in shape. And these two noses are

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Speaker 3: right alongside each other. Why that it's crazy?

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Speaker 2: Did you show the photos to experts?

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Speaker 3: Yes, there were three. There were three, and I think

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Speaker 3: one of the I'll tell you who they were. There

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Speaker 3: was there was Larry Kane, who's a professional photographer who

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Speaker 3: comes from a photographic family, who's a real expert. And

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Speaker 3: you know, I wanted, with all apologies to Larry. He

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Speaker 3: was pretty cocky when I told him I had this mystery,

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Speaker 3: because he's a skeptic, you know, And he said, yo,

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Speaker 3: I'll solve it. Well, we'll put it on my computer.

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Speaker 3: I'll tell you what's going on here. And the most

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Speaker 3: ridiculous theories came out that were just absolutely impossible. I

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Speaker 3: mean one of them was, okay, what if you somebody

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Speaker 3: had this print and pressed it against another print that

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Speaker 3: had the children and the image of the children just

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Speaker 3: sort of came off on it. It's not what happened.

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Speaker 3: You can absolutely see from this print that it is

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Speaker 3: a straight print from a one sixteen negative Bellows camera

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Speaker 3: of those days. And he couldn't solve it, and he

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Speaker 3: finally gave up. Then I went to Chris Ford, who

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Speaker 3: lives in Sedona, where I live. Chris Ford was absolutely

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Speaker 3: one of the key technical people at Pixar. He was

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Speaker 3: involved with toy story and all of the technical advances.

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Speaker 3: Certainly he knew photography. So he upredsed the picture and

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Speaker 3: put it on his computer and I recorded. I actually

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Speaker 3: made a two hour recording of him analyzing everything step

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Speaker 3: And this expert after two hours, he was completely baffled, says,

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Speaker 3: I cannot explain why those why those children are there,

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Speaker 3: how they got there. Some people tried to say, Okay,

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Speaker 3: they standing on. There's nothing for them to stand on,

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Speaker 3: had no luck. Then I went to an extremely qualified expert,

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Speaker 3: John Allison. He may be listening tonight. By the way,

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Speaker 3: if you get a call from John Allison, let's please

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Speaker 3: answer it. He's in New Jersey. John Allison did a

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Speaker 3: lot of the work on the Life After Death Project

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Speaker 3: and he's in the movie The Life After Death Project one.

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Speaker 3: He was at the seance of the Life After Death

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Speaker 3: Project three. And he's a chemist. He's been a professor

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Speaker 3: He started working on it, and he tried everything, and

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Speaker 3: he did a lot of historic research to try to

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Speaker 3: find other photos. He couldn't find anything in the literature

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Speaker 3: that was anything like this, and he started to write

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Speaker 3: scientific paper about it to explain that this is a credible,

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Speaker 3: real scientific problem. He did a draft of it. He

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Speaker 3: submitted it to a technical journal that might have published it,

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Speaker 3: but they came back to him with a lot of

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Speaker 3: things they wanted expanded, and unfortunately around that time John

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Speaker 3: Allison he had medical problems and he was unable to

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Speaker 3: finish that technical paper. So I've always wanted to take

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Speaker 3: this problem out to the world. Maybe someone who's listening

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Speaker 3: tonight will study the pictures and have some suggestion. We're

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Speaker 3: open to anything, but if you can't explain it, you've

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Speaker 3: got a time travel situation here.

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