WEBVTT - #283 Packers Unscripted: First-time perspective 0:00:00.720 --> 0:00:20.880 Hi, everybody, Welcome to Packers Unscripted from Packers dot Com. 0:00:20.920 --> 0:00:24.120 I am Mike Spofford, joined by my trusted colleague West 0:00:24.120 --> 0:00:27.680 Hodkoits were coming to you here from our studios at 0:00:27.760 --> 0:00:32.480 lambeau Field and West. On Monday, we heard the from 0:00:32.680 --> 0:00:35.559 Packers new general manager Brian Guda Kunst. We heard from 0:00:35.640 --> 0:00:38.519 him the annual pre draft press conference, the first one 0:00:38.600 --> 0:00:42.159 for him, obviously in his current chair. And I think 0:00:42.200 --> 0:00:46.120 if there's, uh, if there's one significant takeaway that I 0:00:46.200 --> 0:00:49.600 got from that, it's that in his twenty years, couple 0:00:49.600 --> 0:00:52.880 of decades, however many years he's been in draft rooms 0:00:53.440 --> 0:00:57.280 in his lifetime, he has been a very keen observer 0:00:57.560 --> 0:01:01.440 of how people act, the behavior under pressure, all of 0:01:01.440 --> 0:01:05.240 those things from Ted Thompson, John Dorsey, Reggie Mackenzie, others 0:01:05.280 --> 0:01:08.120 that he's been around throughout his career. He's really paid 0:01:08.120 --> 0:01:10.759 close attention to how this works. Here's a great example 0:01:10.800 --> 0:01:13.760 of this, Mike um west Hogqoitts walks in the door 0:01:13.840 --> 0:01:17.840 at Packers dot Com in two thousand and sixteen, My grammar, 0:01:17.959 --> 0:01:23.200 my English has gotten exponentially better working underneath Mike Spofford. 0:01:23.640 --> 0:01:26.959 That's just the way it goes, though, Ted Thompson and 0:01:27.080 --> 0:01:30.399 had that relationship with Ron Wolfe, and he did it 0:01:30.440 --> 0:01:32.240 his own way. He didn't do it like wolf did, 0:01:32.280 --> 0:01:36.160 but the principles were there. And in just commanding that room, 0:01:36.240 --> 0:01:39.080 you have to show confidence, you have to show authority 0:01:39.120 --> 0:01:42.200 because there's so many people involved there. You don't want 0:01:42.200 --> 0:01:44.720 a week leader in those moments. You need somebody that's 0:01:44.720 --> 0:01:47.440 strong and sticks to their convictions. And that was the 0:01:47.480 --> 0:01:49.600 one thing and and Gouda Coins didn't want to go 0:01:49.640 --> 0:01:52.760 into like example of player A or player B or well, 0:01:52.800 --> 0:01:55.080 this guy was a great guy that we drafted at 0:01:55.080 --> 0:01:56.920 the last minute and we weren't sure and he turned 0:01:56.920 --> 0:01:59.760 out great. But he said with Thompson, the one thing 0:01:59.800 --> 0:02:03.280 you had every single year was just his calm, cool 0:02:03.320 --> 0:02:06.360 and collect approach. And ultimately I think that's what helped 0:02:06.360 --> 0:02:08.200 the Packers get to where they got. And right off 0:02:08.200 --> 0:02:10.960 the bat he was tested two thousand five. You go back. 0:02:11.000 --> 0:02:13.600 I think Andrew Brandt tells the story. They only had 0:02:13.639 --> 0:02:15.799 one guy left at number twenty four with the first 0:02:15.880 --> 0:02:18.440 round grade. His name was Aaron Rodgers. They didn't need 0:02:18.480 --> 0:02:20.880 a quarterback. He worked the phones for a little bit, 0:02:20.960 --> 0:02:23.640 then he took him and I think that being the 0:02:23.720 --> 0:02:26.480 first kind of chapter written in that book set the 0:02:26.520 --> 0:02:29.079 tone for the way that Thompson did things. And now Goodacuns, 0:02:29.160 --> 0:02:31.040 again we'll lead in his own way, but he's going 0:02:31.080 --> 0:02:33.680 to be guided by those principles. Yeah. Goodacuns talked about 0:02:33.720 --> 0:02:36.639 how you know, in draft room, especially in the first round, 0:02:36.840 --> 0:02:40.200 when obviously the stakes are the highest and teams are 0:02:40.240 --> 0:02:42.920 making phone calls and offering trades or you're trying to 0:02:42.919 --> 0:02:46.480 find a trade partner, things can get pretty chaotic and 0:02:46.520 --> 0:02:49.040 people can get pretty anxious, and you know, you're weighing 0:02:49.080 --> 0:02:51.919 this offer versus that offer. Do you stand patent? Do 0:02:52.000 --> 0:02:54.400 you make a pick? And the thing that he that 0:02:54.520 --> 0:02:56.560 he took, I think maybe the biggest lesson that he 0:02:56.600 --> 0:02:59.880 took from Ted Thompson is to have that steady hand, 0:03:00.040 --> 0:03:03.200 because when you're the one who's the decision maker, you 0:03:03.280 --> 0:03:06.000 set the tone for the entire room. And if you 0:03:06.080 --> 0:03:09.200 don't want a chaotic room, then you can't let the 0:03:09.280 --> 0:03:12.720 chaos get to you. And uh, I think you know, 0:03:12.800 --> 0:03:15.959 and this is an interesting situation him being thrown into 0:03:16.120 --> 0:03:18.880 his first draft here at the fourteenth pick. You know, 0:03:18.960 --> 0:03:21.639 you mentioned Ted Thompson's first one while he was at 0:03:21.639 --> 0:03:23.360 twenty four it's like you still have a lot of 0:03:23.400 --> 0:03:25.360 time to kind of wait and let things play out. 0:03:25.720 --> 0:03:28.280 Being right in the middle of the first round, it's 0:03:28.320 --> 0:03:30.760 a lot of speculation as to who might be available, 0:03:30.800 --> 0:03:33.960 who might not be He's going through with his personnel, 0:03:34.200 --> 0:03:38.480 trusted personnel advisors John Eric Sullivan, John Wojikowski and others, 0:03:38.840 --> 0:03:41.760 all the different scenarios that might pop up at fourteen, 0:03:42.160 --> 0:03:45.000 because it's all about it's all about being prepared and 0:03:45.080 --> 0:03:48.480 not being shocked or surprised necessarily by anything, because then 0:03:48.520 --> 0:03:52.440 you can make that calm, cool, collected decision when it's 0:03:52.440 --> 0:03:55.480 your turn. And it's all about preparation. And he mentioned 0:03:55.480 --> 0:03:58.640 too that is that you know, he's had conversations with 0:03:58.640 --> 0:04:01.000 Ted Thompson the week's leading up to the draft here 0:04:01.240 --> 0:04:04.400 about what to expect in the moment. He's been doing this, 0:04:04.520 --> 0:04:07.640 Brian has for a long time or two decades in 0:04:07.680 --> 0:04:10.240 the Packers organization. He's been around football since he was 0:04:10.280 --> 0:04:14.640 a child. But until you're in that seat, I think 0:04:14.640 --> 0:04:16.760 in the advice that Ted Thompson has given to everyone, 0:04:16.960 --> 0:04:19.240 every single one of his personnel executives have gone on 0:04:19.279 --> 0:04:22.599 to GM jobs, is everything turns up, everything gets warmer 0:04:23.000 --> 0:04:25.360 because now the decision is on you. It's your name 0:04:25.600 --> 0:04:27.680 that's making the pick. You're the guy that has to 0:04:27.720 --> 0:04:30.320 go up to the podium afterwards and explain you're thinking. 0:04:30.960 --> 0:04:34.640 And that's a big situation for a young GM to 0:04:34.720 --> 0:04:36.159 be in. So I think that's one of the big 0:04:36.160 --> 0:04:38.680 benefits that Gudkins has still having ted in the building. 0:04:38.880 --> 0:04:41.360 And obviously, as he mentioned too, wasn't able to get 0:04:41.360 --> 0:04:43.040 out to as many of the college you know pro 0:04:43.120 --> 0:04:44.720 days as he has in the past because now he's 0:04:44.720 --> 0:04:47.120 in that new seat. But that's where he leans on John, 0:04:47.240 --> 0:04:50.360 Eric Sullivan, John Woodrohowski, all these scouts that he has 0:04:50.360 --> 0:04:52.760 around him, the sam Seals of the world that I 0:04:52.800 --> 0:04:55.200 have seen most of these guys live, and going to 0:04:55.279 --> 0:04:57.080 take all that information, put it on their board and 0:04:57.120 --> 0:05:00.320 trust it. Said, there's a big, big push to want 0:05:00.320 --> 0:05:02.760 to overcook things during the final week, but you have 0:05:02.839 --> 0:05:05.280 to trust that eleven twelve months you've put in too 0:05:05.320 --> 0:05:08.040 scouting this class and making the best decision for your 0:05:08.040 --> 0:05:10.279 for the future, your franchise. And he talked about you know, 0:05:10.320 --> 0:05:12.719 it is about building that board so that you can 0:05:12.800 --> 0:05:15.120 trust the board. It's about all the preparation that goes 0:05:15.160 --> 0:05:18.080 into it, you know, you're grading the players you build, 0:05:18.279 --> 0:05:21.279 you know, the needs of your team into the value 0:05:21.440 --> 0:05:24.039 of certain players and where and and where they fit 0:05:24.080 --> 0:05:26.720 on the board. So you know, even when teams talk about, oh, 0:05:26.720 --> 0:05:29.480 we took the best available player, well, your rankings were 0:05:29.480 --> 0:05:32.160 also based on positions that you need and things that 0:05:32.200 --> 0:05:34.600 you need to do in the draft. So it's not 0:05:34.720 --> 0:05:37.839 it's not just strictly best available player. I mean, fans 0:05:37.920 --> 0:05:40.720 I think sometimes get thrown off by phrases like that. 0:05:40.760 --> 0:05:43.280 But at the end of the day, it's his call. 0:05:43.400 --> 0:05:45.800 He's got to sift through all the voices in his head. 0:05:46.040 --> 0:05:48.120 It's easy for a scout too, as they say, stand 0:05:48.200 --> 0:05:51.680 up on the table and scream for somebody when you're yeah, 0:05:51.560 --> 0:05:53.800 when when you're not the guy who who's you know, 0:05:53.880 --> 0:05:56.200 whose reputation is on the line, whose job is on 0:05:56.240 --> 0:05:58.600 the line to make that call. But he said, naturally, 0:05:58.640 --> 0:06:01.479 every scout, you know, you fall in love with certain players. Now, 0:06:01.839 --> 0:06:03.920 as the guy in the catbird seat, so to speak, 0:06:04.720 --> 0:06:07.040 he has to weigh, Okay, is it worth trading up 0:06:07.080 --> 0:06:09.200 to go get that guy? What's the cost? What all 0:06:09.240 --> 0:06:11.280 are you giving up to go get that guy you 0:06:11.320 --> 0:06:13.760 really love? Or you better off sitting back letting the 0:06:13.839 --> 0:06:16.120 draft come to you and then see what's there when 0:06:16.120 --> 0:06:17.760 when you're on the Cali. And that's gonna be the 0:06:17.880 --> 0:06:20.760 really tempting thing for Brian Goodkins in this draft, because 0:06:20.800 --> 0:06:23.080 they do have a league high twelve picks. There are 0:06:23.080 --> 0:06:25.039 a lot of decisions, a lot of maneuvers that they 0:06:25.080 --> 0:06:27.480 can make now that you can trade those compensatory picks. 0:06:28.200 --> 0:06:29.840 I look at it. I wrote about this an insider 0:06:29.880 --> 0:06:32.120 in box. I think that number four overall pick, you're 0:06:32.120 --> 0:06:35.640 looking for best available playmaker. People have asked edge rusher, cornerback, 0:06:35.720 --> 0:06:38.400 defensive tackle. I want the best available playmaker. And as 0:06:38.440 --> 0:06:40.960 that draft wears on, and as that pool of players 0:06:40.960 --> 0:06:43.640 probably starts to come a little bit more together, that's 0:06:43.640 --> 0:06:45.159 when you have to make those decisions. If you have 0:06:45.200 --> 0:06:47.039 a guy you really like, if you feel like you 0:06:47.040 --> 0:06:49.200 need to go up and get them like they have occasionally, 0:06:49.200 --> 0:06:51.360 you know, over the years. Yeah, well we'll we'll talk 0:06:51.400 --> 0:06:53.359 a little bit more about how the Packers are looking 0:06:53.360 --> 0:06:56.440 at this draft in terms of the overall roster back 0:06:56.480 --> 0:07:16.400 with more on Packers Unscripted right after this. Welcome back 0:07:16.440 --> 0:07:20.240 to Packers Unscripted. Mike Spofford here, Wes hodkuits All the 0:07:20.280 --> 0:07:23.680 way over there, Wes. Okay, So how are the Packers 0:07:23.720 --> 0:07:26.320 looking at this draft in terms of the way the 0:07:26.520 --> 0:07:29.440 roster is currently constructed. If you look at things on 0:07:29.520 --> 0:07:32.720 the offensive side of the ball, the trade for Deshaun 0:07:32.800 --> 0:07:37.560 Kaiser pretty much or at least almost took quarterback out 0:07:37.560 --> 0:07:40.480 of the equation in a sense for this draft, three 0:07:40.560 --> 0:07:43.240 running backs drafted last year on the third day. Running 0:07:43.240 --> 0:07:47.040 back definitely low priority, if not, you know, somewhat off 0:07:47.080 --> 0:07:50.040 the radar. But everything else on the offensive side of 0:07:50.040 --> 0:07:54.240 the ball, Packers are looking for future playmakers, for depth 0:07:55.200 --> 0:07:58.160 guys to compete for starting jobs this year on the 0:07:58.240 --> 0:08:02.800 offensive line. Where is your top priority offensively for the Packers? Well, 0:08:02.840 --> 0:08:05.520 here's what's fun about this conversation. Like the last segment, 0:08:05.600 --> 0:08:08.160 you talked about building the board. I have a difficult 0:08:08.320 --> 0:08:11.200 enough time trying to build my fantasy football board with 0:08:11.280 --> 0:08:13.840 guys who have already been proven in the NFL. And 0:08:13.880 --> 0:08:15.720 then I mean, you look at good to Quinston in 0:08:15.720 --> 0:08:17.680 these scouts and understand this is their life's work. But 0:08:18.080 --> 0:08:20.320 trying to put all those names up on a college 0:08:20.320 --> 0:08:24.560 board with even more questions, question marks, and projections, it's 0:08:24.560 --> 0:08:27.520 an inn enviable task. But for me, looking strictly at 0:08:27.560 --> 0:08:30.160 the offensive side, I think it probably starts with the 0:08:30.200 --> 0:08:33.480 offensive line. That's not an indictment Mike of what happened 0:08:33.559 --> 0:08:35.800 last year or how they played. I think it's more 0:08:35.840 --> 0:08:37.240 a product of the fact that I think it was 0:08:37.320 --> 0:08:39.880 ten or eleven different lineups they had to use through 0:08:39.920 --> 0:08:42.760 the course of the season. They were very fortunate David 0:08:42.760 --> 0:08:46.920 baktr after shaking off that hamstring injury, Lane Taylor avoided 0:08:46.920 --> 0:08:50.000 an injury. Corey Linsley played every offensive snap. As you 0:08:50.000 --> 0:08:52.080 wrote about on Packers dot Com, the left side of 0:08:52.120 --> 0:08:54.719 that line pretty much intact. The right side is a 0:08:54.760 --> 0:08:57.240 different question. Brian Balaga coming back from the torn a 0:08:57.320 --> 0:09:00.880 c l Justin McCrae played both right guard and right tackle. 0:09:00.960 --> 0:09:03.800 Could he be a potential fit well, Jerry Evans come back, 0:09:04.320 --> 0:09:07.520 and then you have Kyle Murphy and and Jason Springs 0:09:07.520 --> 0:09:10.360 coming off of injuries that landed them on injured reserve right. 0:09:10.640 --> 0:09:13.000 So my biggest thing when I look at this is 0:09:13.080 --> 0:09:15.719 just bring me another body, Get me another one of 0:09:15.760 --> 0:09:19.320 those those mid conference tackles that you can convert to 0:09:19.320 --> 0:09:22.120 a guard or have some flexibility with. I don't know 0:09:22.200 --> 0:09:24.079 how high on the list of priorities that needs to 0:09:24.120 --> 0:09:25.760 be if that needs to be a second round pick, 0:09:25.800 --> 0:09:28.080 third round pick. But I do think at some point 0:09:28.080 --> 0:09:29.880 in there you need to add one of those, and 0:09:29.920 --> 0:09:32.480 then also just quickly receiver packers have had a lot 0:09:32.480 --> 0:09:34.400 of success picking receiver in the early rounds. Might be 0:09:34.400 --> 0:09:35.839 a good year to do that as well. Yeah, it 0:09:35.920 --> 0:09:38.360 kind of looks that way. With regards to the offensive line, 0:09:38.400 --> 0:09:40.640 I'm with you. I think it's you have to bring 0:09:40.679 --> 0:09:43.840 in at least another you know, mid to upper mid 0:09:43.960 --> 0:09:47.400 round prospect to throw into one of these competitions for 0:09:47.520 --> 0:09:49.960 right tackle and right guard. And I say right tackle 0:09:50.040 --> 0:09:52.600 because there's just no guarantee that Brian Bulaga can be 0:09:52.640 --> 0:09:55.560 ready for Week one when his when his torn a 0:09:55.640 --> 0:09:57.760 c L was as late in And you don't want 0:09:57.760 --> 0:09:59.959 to rush to either, exactly, you don't. You don't want 0:10:00.080 --> 0:10:01.800 And I know he's come this is a second time 0:10:01.840 --> 0:10:03.880 coming back from an a c L. He's done it before. 0:10:04.320 --> 0:10:06.320 We know all that. I'm not trying to question that 0:10:06.360 --> 0:10:08.760 at all. It's it's just there, there's a timeline with 0:10:08.800 --> 0:10:11.000 these things, and and as you said, there's no need 0:10:11.040 --> 0:10:14.400 to rush it. So I'd like to see another guy 0:10:14.440 --> 0:10:17.200 who then is in one of those competitions either for 0:10:17.280 --> 0:10:19.360 right tackle or right guard. You mentioned you know you've 0:10:19.360 --> 0:10:23.199 got Justin McCray. Jason Spriggs and Kyle Murphy are are tackles. 0:10:23.280 --> 0:10:25.800 Mccraig can play tackle or guard. Lucas Patrick is a 0:10:25.800 --> 0:10:28.319 guy who would be in the in the mix at 0:10:28.360 --> 0:10:30.960 guard as well, So you have some options there, but 0:10:31.080 --> 0:10:33.160 you really want to set this set up both of 0:10:33.160 --> 0:10:36.280 those positions really through O t s and training camps. Hey, 0:10:36.400 --> 0:10:38.640 let's let's send some guys out there to go compete 0:10:38.679 --> 0:10:40.960 and see who emerges when you go back, because it's you. 0:10:41.120 --> 0:10:43.360 The chapter has been closed now. Ted Thompson is the 0:10:43.360 --> 0:10:45.679 GM anymore. Twelve out of the thirteen drafts he took 0:10:45.679 --> 0:10:47.880 an offensive lineman. You and I have talked a lot 0:10:47.920 --> 0:10:49.760 about in the past what happened the year they didn't 0:10:49.760 --> 0:10:52.720 in two thousand fifteen and how that ultimately impacted them 0:10:52.760 --> 0:10:55.080 down the stretch. I just think that it's a place 0:10:55.120 --> 0:10:57.840 that you can fortify. There's a talent available in this draft. 0:10:58.080 --> 0:11:00.760 And the nice thing is the two positions offensively that 0:11:00.800 --> 0:11:02.240 I think you can make the case for the biggest 0:11:02.240 --> 0:11:05.160 need receiver in offensive line are arguably the two best 0:11:05.160 --> 0:11:08.160 positions the Packers have drafted over the ten last ten years. 0:11:08.679 --> 0:11:11.440 Tight end certainly figures into that as well. But everybody 0:11:11.480 --> 0:11:14.560 asks about that, My only response to it is first 0:11:14.640 --> 0:11:16.400 or second round. I'll believe it when I see it. 0:11:16.400 --> 0:11:19.000 It's been eighteen years now since the Packers have taken 0:11:19.280 --> 0:11:21.400 a tight end that high third round, not out of 0:11:21.400 --> 0:11:23.600 the Roman possibilities. They did it with your Michael Finley 0:11:23.640 --> 0:11:25.520 and Richard Rogers. But I look at that as something 0:11:25.520 --> 0:11:28.520 more later in the draft to potentially find a prospect 0:11:28.720 --> 0:11:31.320 and maybe receiver and offensive line a little earlier. Yeah, 0:11:31.320 --> 0:11:33.800 I see the Packers trying to fortify tight end here, 0:11:33.840 --> 0:11:37.200 certainly with with Lance Kendricks and Jimmy Graham both being 0:11:37.240 --> 0:11:39.480 aged thirty plus at this point, you have plenty of 0:11:39.520 --> 0:11:42.280 experience at the tight end position right now, but what's 0:11:42.320 --> 0:11:45.440 your future at the position? Emmanuel Bird is certainly a 0:11:45.559 --> 0:11:48.200 prospect the Packers are going to take another hard look 0:11:48.240 --> 0:11:50.240 at this year. But you need some more guys in 0:11:50.320 --> 0:11:52.200 the pipeline, and I and I think you need some 0:11:52.240 --> 0:11:54.280 more guys in the pipeline at wide receiver as well. 0:11:54.360 --> 0:11:57.520 Jordy Nelson is gone, Jeff Janis has gone. You're not 0:11:57.600 --> 0:12:02.200 too sure yet about Trevor David s Geronimo, Allison d'angelou, Yancy. 0:12:02.280 --> 0:12:04.880 All these guys are gonna get long looks. Michael Clark 0:12:04.920 --> 0:12:07.480 another one, six ft six. All these guys are gonna 0:12:07.480 --> 0:12:09.360 get long looks. But there's a lot of you know, 0:12:09.640 --> 0:12:12.679 unproven talent there. You have Davontae Adams, you know what 0:12:12.720 --> 0:12:15.319 you've got there. You have Randall Cobb, But Randall cobbs 0:12:15.320 --> 0:12:17.480 in the last year of his contracts, So you need 0:12:17.520 --> 0:12:20.040 to read. You need to restock things and and and 0:12:20.080 --> 0:12:22.880 rebuild that competition for the future and see where those 0:12:22.920 --> 0:12:25.480 positions go. In one last comment about tight end, just 0:12:25.559 --> 0:12:28.079 to touch on this briefly. Other than quarterback, I think 0:12:28.080 --> 0:12:30.199 it's the position that takes the longest time to develop, 0:12:30.280 --> 0:12:32.280 which is why I think drafting one would be smart 0:12:32.280 --> 0:12:34.400 this year because you have Graham, you have Kendricks too, 0:12:34.440 --> 0:12:36.959 proven veterans at a young body behind them to kind 0:12:36.960 --> 0:12:38.880 of watch and learn right. And when you have when 0:12:38.880 --> 0:12:40.880 you're going into a draft with twelve picks, that gives 0:12:40.880 --> 0:12:43.280 you the opportunity to address a lot of areas that 0:12:43.720 --> 0:12:45.480 next year you may not have as many picks in 0:12:45.480 --> 0:12:47.880 your back pockets. So with that, we'll go to a 0:12:47.880 --> 0:12:50.480 break and talk about defense after this back with more 0:12:50.800 --> 0:13:12.120 on Packers Unscripted. Welcome back to Packers Unscripted. Mike Spofford 0:13:12.120 --> 0:13:14.640 in this chair, Wes Hodkowitz and that one Okay West 0:13:14.640 --> 0:13:17.679 shifting gears to the defensive side of the ball, new 0:13:17.720 --> 0:13:21.160 defensive coordinator, and Mike Patton bringing his system. We talked 0:13:21.160 --> 0:13:23.959 on our last show about the additions of Mohammed Wilkerson. 0:13:24.440 --> 0:13:27.480 You've brought in, Turmont Williams, are brought back Tormon Williams. 0:13:27.520 --> 0:13:30.480 I should say at cornerback, you're looking for a guy 0:13:30.559 --> 0:13:33.840 like Kevin King, whose rookie season was got messed up 0:13:33.840 --> 0:13:36.400 a little bit because of that shoulder injury. He was 0:13:36.440 --> 0:13:40.360 your top pick a year ago. But Packers need to 0:13:41.040 --> 0:13:43.480 need to look to the future at cornerback, and they 0:13:43.520 --> 0:13:45.800 also need to look to the future at pass rusher. 0:13:45.800 --> 0:13:49.880 And I'm talking specifically edge rusher because Clay Matthews drafted 0:13:49.880 --> 0:13:52.640 an OH nine, Nick Perry drafted in two thousand and twelve. 0:13:53.120 --> 0:13:55.720 Both of those guys, you know, they've they've put in 0:13:55.760 --> 0:13:57.640 their time and they will be the bread and butter 0:13:57.720 --> 0:13:59.760 this year, but they won't be here forever. No, they 0:13:59.760 --> 0:14:02.040 won't be Mike, And here's the thing is that although 0:14:02.360 --> 0:14:05.520 Dayton Jones ultimately ended up moving to outside linebacker and 0:14:05.559 --> 0:14:08.160 Mike Neil did that as well, it's been a long 0:14:08.200 --> 0:14:11.840 time since the Packers have drafted a natural outside pass rusher. 0:14:12.120 --> 0:14:14.080 I think this is a year to do it. The 0:14:14.200 --> 0:14:16.840 question is it's it really is the chicken or the 0:14:16.840 --> 0:14:19.880 egg here? Which one do you emphasized first? And as 0:14:19.920 --> 0:14:23.680 Ludacon has astutely pointed out, he's seen great defenses that 0:14:23.720 --> 0:14:27.160 have phenomenal pass rush and okay secondaries do okay. He's 0:14:27.160 --> 0:14:31.080 seen shut down, lights out secondaries and okay pass rushes 0:14:31.160 --> 0:14:34.680 and that defense turned out fine. There isn't one single blueprint. 0:14:34.760 --> 0:14:38.240 It's finding that equilibrium. That's where the Packers are challenged. 0:14:38.320 --> 0:14:40.480 Last year they didn't get enough of it on either side. 0:14:40.600 --> 0:14:43.680 The pass rush wasn't consistent enough. The obviously we know 0:14:43.720 --> 0:14:46.080 the issues with the communication in the secondary in the 0:14:46.160 --> 0:14:49.680 litany of injuries and inconsistency on the back end, big 0:14:49.720 --> 0:14:52.440 opportunity this year. I still really liked the pick of 0:14:52.520 --> 0:14:55.720 Kevin King six pounds. If he can come back from 0:14:55.720 --> 0:14:59.040 that shoulder, I think is he is a prototype boundary 0:14:59.120 --> 0:15:01.920 press man. Corn fit the scheme well. He also runs 0:15:01.920 --> 0:15:03.920 well enough that he can go down the sideline. Who 0:15:03.920 --> 0:15:06.680 does that remind you of Sam Shield? Not quite that 0:15:06.760 --> 0:15:08.960 level of speed, but probably a little bit more technique 0:15:08.960 --> 0:15:12.360 at this age. Yeah, pass rusher another big question. Because 0:15:12.400 --> 0:15:14.760 you do have Perry and Matthews, who do you have 0:15:14.880 --> 0:15:16.840 behind them? They have four or five guys who all 0:15:16.840 --> 0:15:19.120 spend time on the fifty three man roster last year. 0:15:19.280 --> 0:15:21.200 But who's going to be the one to grab that opportunity. 0:15:21.400 --> 0:15:23.400 I think the best way to get those guys motivated, 0:15:23.400 --> 0:15:25.720 not that they already aren't, is to bring in another 0:15:25.720 --> 0:15:27.560 guy in those early rounds, a guy that you can 0:15:27.600 --> 0:15:29.840 add to that rotation. Because when this defense was at 0:15:29.880 --> 0:15:33.120 its best in two thousand fourteen, in recent memory, it's 0:15:33.160 --> 0:15:35.640 when they have the deepest rotation. This is an opportunity 0:15:35.680 --> 0:15:38.080 to make that happen. Yeah, it's about getting that pass 0:15:38.200 --> 0:15:40.520 rush in the past coverage to play in sync, no 0:15:40.560 --> 0:15:43.320 matter which one is maybe the strength over the other. 0:15:43.400 --> 0:15:45.480 And that's what we have to see if if Mike 0:15:45.520 --> 0:15:48.000 Petton and the new scheme and everything is going to 0:15:48.040 --> 0:15:50.200 be able to accomplish that. When you look at this 0:15:50.320 --> 0:15:53.840 draft specifically, the word is and I'm no draft expert, 0:15:53.880 --> 0:15:57.160 I'm reading I'm reading this stuff out there. Yeah, I'm 0:15:57.160 --> 0:15:59.440 reading this stuff out there that everybody else is. The 0:15:59.520 --> 0:16:02.200 word is is this is not a deep draft in 0:16:02.280 --> 0:16:05.800 terms of edge rushers, but it is much deeper at cornerback. 0:16:06.240 --> 0:16:08.480 So then it just it makes you wonder. Okay, So 0:16:08.520 --> 0:16:10.800 the Packers are sitting there at fourteen in the first round. 0:16:10.840 --> 0:16:13.280 If they decide to stand pad and not move around, 0:16:14.560 --> 0:16:17.000 if there's an edge rusher you really like at fourteen 0:16:17.080 --> 0:16:20.480 and a cornerback you really like at fourteen, it almost 0:16:20.520 --> 0:16:23.080 seems like you have to go edge rusher because you can. 0:16:23.160 --> 0:16:25.920 You'll be able to get some quality cornerbacks later on 0:16:26.120 --> 0:16:28.120 and those edge rushers might not be there. That's just 0:16:28.160 --> 0:16:30.520 the way it kind of looks from the outside right now, Michael, 0:16:30.520 --> 0:16:33.760 I'm gonna give you a little history lesson here. It's 0:16:33.840 --> 0:16:37.200 never a good year fridge rusher. There's always a dearth 0:16:37.360 --> 0:16:39.760 of really good pass rushers in the NFL. Go back 0:16:39.800 --> 0:16:42.560 to any draft two thousand to back to two thousand three. 0:16:43.200 --> 0:16:46.360 Most of your top Pro Bowl type difference makers were 0:16:46.360 --> 0:16:48.200 taken in the first round, and usually high in the 0:16:48.240 --> 0:16:51.120 first round. Yeah, Now, the question for the Packers is 0:16:51.680 --> 0:16:54.720 who's going to be available there does a Tremaine Edmonds 0:16:54.840 --> 0:16:58.200 get to them at fourteen. I don't think Bradley Chubb 0:16:58.320 --> 0:16:59.720 is going to be there. I know a lot of 0:16:59.720 --> 0:17:02.800 pack Your fans are hopeful. I think you gotta let 0:17:02.840 --> 0:17:07.040 that one go until we see differently. Marcus Davenport has 0:17:07.080 --> 0:17:10.800 gotten a lot of intrigue, and I personally wasn't sold 0:17:10.800 --> 0:17:12.760 on him. I end up talking to some people who 0:17:12.800 --> 0:17:14.800 really do know what they're talking about. They think he 0:17:14.800 --> 0:17:16.560 can be a player in this league, but it's basically 0:17:16.600 --> 0:17:19.320 having to wait for him to develop. I would be 0:17:19.359 --> 0:17:22.280 tempted if I'm the Packers. This is just West Hotwitz 0:17:22.440 --> 0:17:25.639 sitting in Packers unscripted, not on the third floor. But 0:17:25.760 --> 0:17:27.920 I just think when you look at those three defensive 0:17:27.920 --> 0:17:31.399 backs high in this draft, Denzel Award, Minca Fitzpatrick and 0:17:31.440 --> 0:17:34.600 also Derwin James, if any of those are within grasp, 0:17:35.200 --> 0:17:37.800 if any of them can be taken, those are three 0:17:37.840 --> 0:17:40.560 potential difference makers. For one reason or another, they really 0:17:40.600 --> 0:17:43.520 need a star slot cornerback. I think those guys could 0:17:43.520 --> 0:17:45.680 potentially fit the bill. It's a great place for the 0:17:45.680 --> 0:17:48.400 Packers of being at fourteen, but a lot of questions too. Yeah, 0:17:48.440 --> 0:17:50.640 and it's tough because when you talk about the edge 0:17:50.720 --> 0:17:53.520 rushers and how it's never a great year for adge rushers. Well, 0:17:53.520 --> 0:17:56.720 that's because in college, if you're two fifty pounds, you 0:17:56.720 --> 0:17:59.640 can play defensive end. Yes, you know, in the NFL 0:18:00.040 --> 0:18:02.520 you have to convert to outside linebacker if you're that size, 0:18:02.560 --> 0:18:05.640 And in college, if you're two ninety you're probably playing inside. 0:18:05.640 --> 0:18:07.720 You weren't necessarily playing on the edge of the Bradley 0:18:07.800 --> 0:18:10.280 Chubbs of the world. There's a reason everybody's saying he's 0:18:10.280 --> 0:18:13.359 a top five, six, top seven pick, because guys like 0:18:13.440 --> 0:18:15.520 that don't come along every year. The same reason what 0:18:15.640 --> 0:18:17.399 happened last year with the Browns when they're making the 0:18:17.440 --> 0:18:19.719 decision that they did made at number one. You just 0:18:19.760 --> 0:18:21.760 don't have those type of body types and the guys 0:18:21.760 --> 0:18:24.400 that are that explosive, they just don't exist that much. 0:18:24.400 --> 0:18:26.800 And Goodicins talked about it. Yeah, all right, Well with that, 0:18:26.960 --> 0:18:28.639 we're gonna go to another break back with more and 0:18:28.680 --> 0:18:49.439 Packers Unscripted right after this Welcome Back to Packers Unscripted. 0:18:49.440 --> 0:18:52.960 Mike Spofford alongside West Hodgwits Okay, West, before we go today, 0:18:53.920 --> 0:18:56.920 a lot of talk about how the quarterbacks are going 0:18:56.960 --> 0:19:00.280 to dictate how the first round of this NFL draft goes. 0:19:00.359 --> 0:19:03.800 And there's a former Packers personnel executive by the name 0:19:03.840 --> 0:19:06.800 of John Dorsey sitting in the catbird seed in Cleveland 0:19:07.280 --> 0:19:10.879 with the first and fourth picks in this first round. 0:19:10.960 --> 0:19:14.200 He needs a quarterback. Which one is he gonna go with? 0:19:14.320 --> 0:19:16.720 That's like the million dollar question right now. Yeah, And 0:19:16.760 --> 0:19:21.320 it's funny because as information leaks out. Brian Goodkin has 0:19:21.320 --> 0:19:24.639 talked about this during his news conference on Monday. There's 0:19:24.680 --> 0:19:27.439 some stuff that is legit and there's some stuff that 0:19:27.520 --> 0:19:29.760 is just smoking mirrors. Goodin said, the Packers will do 0:19:29.800 --> 0:19:32.600 the same thing, trying to throw people off. What I 0:19:32.640 --> 0:19:35.600 really appreciate about this is the fact that over the 0:19:35.640 --> 0:19:37.639 course of the last three months, I think all of 0:19:37.680 --> 0:19:43.199 the top four quarterbacks, maybe with the exception of Josh Rosen, 0:19:43.520 --> 0:19:46.240 has actually been attached to the Browns, that the brown 0:19:46.280 --> 0:19:48.520 the Browns are taking Josh Allen. No wait, they're taking 0:19:48.520 --> 0:19:50.840 Baker Mayfield, you know. No, They're gonna go with Sam Darnald. 0:19:50.920 --> 0:19:52.760