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Speaker 1: Hi, everybody, Welcome to Packers Unscripted from Packers dot Com.

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Speaker 1: I am Mike Spofford, joined by my trusted colleague West

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Speaker 1: Hodkoits were coming to you here from our studios at

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Speaker 1: lambeau Field and West. On Monday, we heard the from

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Speaker 1: Packers new general manager Brian Guda Kunst. We heard from

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Speaker 1: him the annual pre draft press conference, the first one

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Speaker 1: for him, obviously in his current chair. And I think

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Speaker 1: if there's, uh, if there's one significant takeaway that I

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Speaker 1: got from that, it's that in his twenty years, couple

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Speaker 1: of decades, however many years he's been in draft rooms

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Speaker 1: in his lifetime, he has been a very keen observer

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Speaker 1: of how people act, the behavior under pressure, all of

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Speaker 1: those things from Ted Thompson, John Dorsey, Reggie Mackenzie, others

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Speaker 1: that he's been around throughout his career. He's really paid

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Speaker 1: close attention to how this works. Here's a great example

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Speaker 1: of this, Mike um west Hogqoitts walks in the door

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Speaker 1: at Packers dot Com in two thousand and sixteen, My grammar,

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Speaker 1: my English has gotten exponentially better working underneath Mike Spofford.

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Speaker 1: That's just the way it goes, though, Ted Thompson and

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Speaker 1: had that relationship with Ron Wolfe, and he did it

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Speaker 1: his own way. He didn't do it like wolf did,

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Speaker 1: but the principles were there. And in just commanding that room,

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Speaker 1: you have to show confidence, you have to show authority

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Speaker 1: because there's so many people involved there. You don't want

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Speaker 1: a week leader in those moments. You need somebody that's

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Speaker 1: strong and sticks to their convictions. And that was the

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Speaker 1: one thing and and Gouda Coins didn't want to go

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Speaker 1: into like example of player A or player B or well,

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Speaker 1: this guy was a great guy that we drafted at

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Speaker 1: the last minute and we weren't sure and he turned

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Speaker 1: out great. But he said with Thompson, the one thing

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Speaker 1: you had every single year was just his calm, cool

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Speaker 1: and collect approach. And ultimately I think that's what helped

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Speaker 1: the Packers get to where they got. And right off

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Speaker 1: the bat he was tested two thousand five. You go back.

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Speaker 1: I think Andrew Brandt tells the story. They only had

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Speaker 1: one guy left at number twenty four with the first

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Speaker 1: round grade. His name was Aaron Rodgers. They didn't need

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Speaker 1: a quarterback. He worked the phones for a little bit,

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Speaker 1: then he took him and I think that being the

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Speaker 1: first kind of chapter written in that book set the

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Speaker 1: tone for the way that Thompson did things. And now Goodacuns,

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Speaker 1: again we'll lead in his own way, but he's going

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Speaker 1: to be guided by those principles. Yeah. Goodacuns talked about

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Speaker 1: how you know, in draft room, especially in the first round,

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Speaker 1: when obviously the stakes are the highest and teams are

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Speaker 1: people can get pretty anxious, and you know, you're weighing

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Speaker 1: this offer versus that offer. Do you stand patent? Do

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Speaker 1: you make a pick? And the thing that he that

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Speaker 1: took from Ted Thompson is to have that steady hand,

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Speaker 1: because when you're the one who's the decision maker, you

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Speaker 1: and this is an interesting situation him being thrown into

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Speaker 1: twenty four it's like you still have a lot of

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Speaker 1: a lot of speculation as to who might be available,

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Speaker 1: who might not be He's going through with his personnel,

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Speaker 1: trusted personnel advisors John Eric Sullivan, John Wojikowski and others,

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Speaker 1: all the different scenarios that might pop up at fourteen,

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Speaker 1: too that is that you know, he's had conversations with

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Speaker 1: about what to expect in the moment. He's been doing this,

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Speaker 1: Brian has for a long time or two decades in

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Speaker 1: And obviously, as he mentioned too, wasn't able to get

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Speaker 1: take all that information, put it on their board and

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Speaker 1: trust it. Said, there's a big, big push to want

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Speaker 1: for the future, your franchise. And he talked about you know,

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Speaker 1: on the board. So you know, even when teams talk about, oh,

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Speaker 1: we took the best available player, well, your rankings were

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Speaker 1: it's not just strictly best available player. I mean, fans

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Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, it's his call.

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Speaker 1: He's got to sift through all the voices in his head.

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Speaker 1: It's easy for a scout too, as they say, stand

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Speaker 1: every scout, you know, you fall in love with certain players. Now,

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Speaker 1: when you're on the Cali. And that's gonna be the

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Speaker 1: really tempting thing for Brian Goodkins in this draft, because

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Speaker 1: looking for best available playmaker. People have asked edge rusher, cornerback,

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Speaker 1: with more on Packers Unscripted right after this. Welcome back

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Speaker 1: to Packers Unscripted. Mike Spofford here, Wes hodkuits All the

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Speaker 1: way over there, Wes. Okay, So how are the Packers

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Speaker 1: looking at this draft in terms of the way the

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Speaker 1: roster is currently constructed. If you look at things on

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Speaker 1: the offensive side of the ball, the trade for Deshaun

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Speaker 1: back definitely low priority, if not, you know, somewhat off

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Speaker 1: enough time trying to build my fantasy football board with

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Speaker 1: these scouts and understand this is their life's work. But

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Speaker 1: We know all that. I'm not trying to question that

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Speaker 1: got Justin McCray. Jason Spriggs and Kyle Murphy are are tackles.

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Speaker 1: Mccraig can play tackle or guard. Lucas Patrick is a

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Speaker 1: Mike Spofford alongside West Hodgwits Okay, West, before we go today,

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Speaker 1: it a quarterback driven draft. Unbelievable. Great point, Mike, and

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Speaker 1: and it is interesting because quarterback is the only position

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Speaker 1: where you really see this happen, because sometimes you really

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Speaker 1: do we talk about best a pailable players. Sometimes it

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Speaker 1: is just having to get a little bit more invest

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Speaker 1: a little bit more, draft a guy a little bit earlier.

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Speaker 1: Because of the nature of the position. You don't see

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Speaker 1: that happen a lot of times at other spots. No, yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's it's it's what it's what drives teams. If you

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Speaker 1: don't have that guy, you are always searching for that guy.

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Speaker 1: And the longer you don't have him, the longer it's

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Speaker 1: going to take for you to become a contender. That's

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Speaker 1: just reality. And the sooner you're gonna be out of

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Speaker 1: a job. If you're a GM and it's like two,

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Speaker 1: you gotta be able to find the man. And you

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Speaker 1: look back in the years, sometimes you find you know

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Speaker 1: Russell Wilson, the third round, but oftentimes it's in the

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Speaker 1: top ten. Yeah, no question with that. We will call

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Speaker 1: it a wrap on this edition of Packers Unscripted. Be

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Speaker 1: I'm at Mike Spofford at Packers for the team account.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for tuning in, everybody. We'll see next time. Mm hmm.