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Speaker 2: and UH record a little podcast because I'm John Middlecoff.

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Speaker 2: This is three and out podcast. We have I woke

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Speaker 2: up to some news on Jordan Love Saw Rogers had

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Speaker 2: Raiders and Los Angeles training camp. So we will, uh well,

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Speaker 2: hit on a lot of different stuff because football season.

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Speaker 2: You don't like anyone on or homepage on Instagram. You

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Speaker 2: And a lot of people did. And Mark Cuban obviously

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Speaker 2: And when you have an astronomical amount of money on

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Speaker 2: And when the story broke this morning, you know you

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Speaker 2: didn't have that much information. And as time went on

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Speaker 2: and you read Gudikin's quotes, it's pretty clear. And they've

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Speaker 2: talked about it since OTAs they are working on a

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Speaker 2: the home stretch. Part of what Gudakin said today with

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Speaker 2: contract's closer to Trevor Lawrence than it is Kirk Cousins.

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Speaker 2: So you're talking anywhere between one hundred and fifty two

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Speaker 2: It's just not worth someone falling into your leg youse,

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Speaker 2: the money. And when you're a high end player. And

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Speaker 2: we'll get into the the question marks with Jordan Love,

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Speaker 2: but clearly he showed enough that, like if he can

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Speaker 2: teams are gonna want you hold in, like, do it

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Speaker 2: is just kind of stupid in twenty twenty four. It

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Speaker 2: doesn't work, nothing like scrubbing your Instagram account. I'm sorry. No,

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Speaker 2: Instagram account. So I give Jordan Love credit. Now, you

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Speaker 2: could argue he's only a one year starter. He's really

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Speaker 2: only had half a really good season. Holding out would

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Speaker 2: be a little extreme, but I definitely completely understand. You

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Speaker 2: can't tear an ACL at some walkthrough because some overachiever

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Speaker 2: That's the way the private sector in America works, and

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Speaker 2: they would yank that bad boy quickly off the table.

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Speaker 2: So this is the right to me move, by his agent,

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Speaker 2: by him, and it's also a good way to do it,

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Speaker 2: showing this isn't contentious. We're just being smart about our

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Speaker 2: But if I had had ten thousand dollars to win

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Speaker 2: eighteen thousand, I would have sweated it a lot more.

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Speaker 2: And the level in which the number we're talking about

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Speaker 2: though here's what I know. If you just look at

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Speaker 2: I would buy Jordan Love over Trevor Lawrence. And honestly,

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't hesitate. I wouldn't even have to think. And

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Speaker 2: Love over Tua. And we're talking about guys. One guy

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Speaker 2: just signed a big contract. The other guy's talking contract negotiations.

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Speaker 2: Now there's no debating there is risk involved. Both those

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Speaker 2: And listen, this guy you could not watch the Packers

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Speaker 2: throw Aaron Rodgers used to make. It's crazy to say that. Listen,

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Speaker 2: I was wrong. I shorted the situation. I just played

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Speaker 2: the odds. I'm like, wait, you're telling me you're gonna

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Speaker 2: go from FARV to Rogers. They literally went from FARV

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Speaker 2: like this player I'm in and I heard Collins saying this, Listen.

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Speaker 2: Part of investing in this situation is you've been around

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Speaker 2: lucky right now, mahomes peak of his powers, all time

427
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Speaker 2: great Josh Allen, one of the most talented guys we've

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Speaker 2: ever seen, Lamar Jackson, you know, probably the best running

429
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Speaker 2: quarterback ever. Steve Young, by the time he won a

430
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Speaker 2: Super Bowl, was much more of a pocket quarterback. But

431
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Speaker 2: he's you know, he's already got two MVPs. Obviously, Burrow

432
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Speaker 2: Herbert now with Harbaugh, I mean we are to transition.

433
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Speaker 2: Rogers has a year or two left. But to go

434
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Speaker 2: from Manning, Brady and Rodgers to now have this crew

435
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Speaker 2: league should feel pretty good because these guys are showstoppers.

436
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Speaker 2: They're Courtney Cronin, who has covered NFL teams. She covers

437
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Speaker 2: the Bears now I think she used to cover the Vikings.

438
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Speaker 2: I think she's originally from the Bay I've followed her

439
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Speaker 2: forever on social media. Had this tweet the other day

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Speaker 2: and it was from Keenan Allen. I think it was

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Speaker 2: at his press conference and He talked about staying at

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Speaker 2: the same hotel with Caleb Williams during mini camp because

443
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Speaker 2: in making sure that he spent a lot of time

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Speaker 2: with him, basically because he doesn't learn from just going

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Speaker 2: back to his room and studying the playbook. He said,

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Speaker 2: I won't pick it up that way. That's not the

447
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Speaker 2: way I learned. So we spent constant time, him drilling

448
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Speaker 2: me and going over plays and me going back and

449
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Speaker 2: that's how I am able to take in the information.

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Speaker 2: And it struck me and it has for a long

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Speaker 2: time that no one in the NFL sustains a high

452
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Speaker 2: level of play on Sundays randomly. Your god given gifts,

453
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Speaker 2: which all these guys have, can get you by early

454
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Speaker 2: on in your career, definitely gets you by in college

455
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Speaker 2: and maybe for a year or two in the NFL,

456
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Speaker 2: but to sustain it for five eight a decade. The

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Speaker 2: level of focus, the level of work ethic, and the

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Speaker 2: level of attention to detail of your craft. I was

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Speaker 2: I was on the golf course last week. I was

460
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Speaker 2: telling them about my time in Philly and just the

461
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Speaker 2: level of hours in which you spend at the facility

462
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Speaker 2: as a scout, obviously as a coach, but even as

463
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Speaker 2: a player. And I think I've always said it's the

464
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Speaker 2: NFL is Wall Street on grass. I mean, you're just

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Speaker 2: you're talking fifteen eighteen hour work days, long long falls.

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Speaker 2: It's a grind, and you better buckle that, you know

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Speaker 2: what up because it is. It's mentally taxing, and for

468
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Speaker 2: players it's mentally and physically taxing. You could argue for

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Speaker 2: coaches as well, because you know the lack of sleep,

470
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Speaker 2: the thrown off workout schedules, You're just you're out of it.

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Speaker 2: You better have a lot of cold brew, maybe an

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Speaker 2: adderall prescription, and just figure out a way to get

473
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Speaker 2: by because it's hard. And that's why we always talk

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Speaker 2: about with players why you have to love it. You

475
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Speaker 2: have to be addicted to it, because there's no way

476
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Speaker 2: to spend the amount of time that it takes without

477
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Speaker 2: really liking what you do. It's my number one level

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Speaker 2: or advice to any younger person. Fine and listen, I'm

479
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Speaker 2: not alone on this. I can just speak from my

480
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Speaker 2: own experience that if I did something for a living

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Speaker 2: that I did not like to do, I could not

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Speaker 2: spend the time in which I spend on that thing.

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Speaker 2: It wouldn't be possible. I would not care. I would

484
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Speaker 2: mail it in constantly. When you find what you like

485
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Speaker 2: to do, like truly passion deep in your soul, it's

486
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Speaker 2: easier to work because you can work long days and

487
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Speaker 2: it doesn't feel like you're working. And Keenan Allen, like

488
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Speaker 2: there was a reason he went in the third round.

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Speaker 2: He's not very fast. Guess what, He's slower now than

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Speaker 2: he was back then. But when you think Keenan Allen,

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Speaker 2: you go, God, he's one of the smartest players in

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Speaker 2: the league. Knows how to get open. Obviously he's tough,

493
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Speaker 2: and obviously he's skilled, but it's because of the mental

494
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Speaker 2: work ethic that it takes to play at a high level.

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Speaker 2: And I think, listen, there are countless players all over

496
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Speaker 2: the NFL that grind and you're just not gonna be good.

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Speaker 2: I mean, look at some of the best players in

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Speaker 2: recent memory that have retired. You go, does that guy

499
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Speaker 2: love football? If you had to do one to ten,

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Speaker 2: ten being the most and one being basically doesn't like it.

501
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Speaker 2: Like Aaron Donald, what number would you choose? Jason Kelcey,

502
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Speaker 2: what number would you choose? Tom Brady, what number would

503
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Speaker 2: you choose? Let's be real, the three guys I just

504
00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:40,359
Speaker 2: listed ten out of ten would feel low, Like Tom's

505
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Speaker 2: like fifty out of ten, Donald's like forty five out

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Speaker 2: of ten. Kelsey's right there too, And that's what it takes.

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Speaker 2: That's what it takes. It's why during the draft that

508
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Speaker 2: these uncomfortable conversations, the media is like, that's not fair.

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Speaker 2: They deserve to have a balance life. Well, yeah, sure,

510
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Speaker 2: as a guy making one hundred grand can have a

511
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Speaker 2: balanced life, and that is fair. Your expectations are different

512
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Speaker 2: when you get paid ten million dollars, twenty million dollars,

513
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Speaker 2: thirty million dollars. I don't care what you do. If

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Speaker 2: Google's paying you twenty five million dollars, what do you

515
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Speaker 2: think their expectations are gonna be for you? If Goldman

516
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Speaker 2: Sachs is paying you thirteen million dollars, you think it's like,

517
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Speaker 2: oh yeah, just nine to five and three day weekends

518
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Speaker 2: whenever you want. That's not the way the world works.

519
00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:27,760
Speaker 2: So yeah, it's very serious, and that's what a lot

520
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Speaker 2: of the great players they give it right back. It's

521
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Speaker 2: why when these guys retire, the way these coaches and

522
00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:36,360
Speaker 2: these general managers talk about these players like that, that's

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Speaker 2: the sad part about Keenan Allen with Harball just financially

524
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Speaker 2: didn't that up and they chose the defensive lineman. Jim

525
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Speaker 2: Harball would love Keenan Allen. He would love Keenan Allen,

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Speaker 2: and the Bears are lucky. That's a even if he's

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Speaker 2: only there for a year. No brainer trade. And last,

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Speaker 2: but not least, I saw this story that I thought

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Speaker 2: was kind of fascinating. There's got to be like seventeen

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Speaker 2: teams down in La dur in training camp, the Rams,

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Speaker 2: the Chargers, the Cowboys, and now the Raiders. But I

532
00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:13,920
Speaker 2: guess there's this rule that because it's another team's territory.

533
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Speaker 2: I'm not quite sure how the Cowboys get away with this,

534
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Speaker 2: and maybe they don't. They're just so big that you

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Speaker 2: naturally see people down there. The Raiders went to southern

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Speaker 2: California for this training camp. Obviously it's one hundred and

537
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Speaker 2: seventy five degrees in Vegas. But part of it is

538
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Speaker 2: they're not able to promote that they're in Los Angeles.

539
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Speaker 2: They're not the way that Mike Florio wrote it is,

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Speaker 2: they're not even able to have fans, and that seems

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Speaker 2: a little crazy to me, but I understand going and

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Speaker 2: I saw some quotes from Antonio Pierce. Listen, a lot

543
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Speaker 2: of teams. My only experience in the NFL was going

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Speaker 2: away to training camp. We went to Lehigh. The Eagles

545
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:03,080
Speaker 2: no longer do that. They now practice at their facility.

546
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Speaker 2: Andy when he went to Kansas City, they still go

547
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Speaker 2: away to training camp. I'm a believer in going to

548
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Speaker 2: training camp, even though sometimes when you're there, player, coach, scout, whatever,

549
00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:16,520
Speaker 2: it can suck a little bit, but there is something

550
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Speaker 2: special about that bonding period as just kind of a group.

551
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Speaker 2: So like, I'm all for it. I just think these

552
00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:25,920
Speaker 2: rules are kind of crazy that you have to basically

553
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Speaker 2: not say anything. But a lot of teams it's not

554
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Speaker 2: other California. I mean this, listen, it's hard to beat

555
00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:35,400
Speaker 2: that weather because it's pretty hot otherwise. And I think

556
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Speaker 2: part of it too is you know the Cardinals in Scottsdale.

557
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Speaker 2: I mean they're technically I think south of Phoenix, but

558
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Speaker 2: the Vegas Raider it is so hot that even in

559
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Speaker 2: the morning, you gotta practice indoors. It's one thing like

560
00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:54,480
Speaker 2: even at Lehigh, a couple times it would rain, we

561
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Speaker 2: had to practice indoors. Like weird weather in the South.

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Speaker 2: But I think ideally in training camp, you want to

563
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Speaker 2: practice outside on the grass. You got ninety guys, you

564
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Speaker 2: got stations all over the place, So I get why

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Speaker 2: the Raiders go. I just think that's kind of a

566
00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:14,160
Speaker 2: crazy rule that clearly the Chargers and the Rams are

567
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:16,640
Speaker 2: not exactly waving. They're like, oh yeah, it's cool, man,

568
00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:20,240
Speaker 2: you can wait. You're allowed to promote. No no, They're like, no,

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Speaker 2: not allowed. Even Mark Davis like it is what it is.

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Speaker 2: We're coming to la. Okay, let's dive into the mailbag

571
00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:40,520
Speaker 2: at John Middlecoff. At John Middlecoff is the Instagram and

572
00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:43,240
Speaker 2: DM's wide open. So just fire in, get your question

573
00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:47,080
Speaker 2: answered here on the show, and that's what we do.

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Speaker 2: Sorr Brendan, there are clearly different approaches that front office

575
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Speaker 2: takes to structuring contracts when they're a contender. The Bills

576
00:31:56,720 --> 00:32:00,960
Speaker 2: and Cowboys did massive backloaded contracts and are now having

577
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Speaker 2: to cut good players. What do you think is the

578
00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:08,040
Speaker 2: right balance between going all in with backloaded contracts to

579
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Speaker 2: contend now versus keeping a long term view. I'm a

580
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Speaker 2: Lions fan and curious how you would handle having the

581
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Speaker 2: amount of studs on the roster Detroit does with massive

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Speaker 2: contracts Looming. I got news for you. The only way

583
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Speaker 2: to do it is that. And the only reason we

584
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Speaker 2: notice is because when you're good for a long time,

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Speaker 2: you don't get rid of those players. Most crappy teams

586
00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:42,560
Speaker 2: are constantly trading, cutting and churning their roster, so even

587
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:45,120
Speaker 2: when they sign players, those guys don't last long and

588
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:48,000
Speaker 2: no one really pays attention. Well, the Bills have won

589
00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:50,880
Speaker 2: the division what four straight years, and that core group

590
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:53,440
Speaker 2: of guys was on the team the whole time. And

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Speaker 2: when you have a quarterback, the same with the Cowboys

592
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Speaker 2: making a lot of money, you have three or four

593
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Speaker 2: Pro Bowl players, it adds up quick. So I don't

594
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Speaker 2: think they do anything different than anyone else. I really

595
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Speaker 2: don't look at how the Eagles structure contracts or the

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Speaker 2: forty nine ers. Everything is backloaded. Nothing is like a

597
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Speaker 2: three year contract and you put the salary cap space.

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Speaker 2: Now the way you actually, here's what's complicated about the NFL.

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Speaker 2: If I give you a three year, seventy million dollar contract,

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Speaker 2: so what's that twenty three million dollars a year? Just

601
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Speaker 2: for the way we're gonna put this conversation together, So

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Speaker 2: you're making twenty three million dollars a year adds up

603
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:41,360
Speaker 2: to sixty nine million, but well it's just sixty you know,

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Speaker 2: twenty three. You guys get it, and I pay you

605
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:47,960
Speaker 2: a fifty million dollars signing bonus. So I give you

606
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Speaker 2: three year, seventy million dollars, and I give you fifty

607
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Speaker 2: million dollars guaranteed, and I give it all up front

608
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Speaker 2: and the signing bonus. So even though you get the

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Speaker 2: cash basically within the couple weeks of signing the contract,

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Speaker 2: I would never in a million years, unless I was

611
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:05,880
Speaker 2: a terrible team with just no good players on it,

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Speaker 2: not put that money back. You know, if I signed

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Speaker 2: it this offseason in two thousand and I don't know,

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00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:16,040
Speaker 2: twenty six a large percentage of it. And that's how

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00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:19,080
Speaker 2: all these contracts work. So I don't think the Bills

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00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:22,480
Speaker 2: or Cowboys are alone. I think both of them had

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00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:25,480
Speaker 2: the same scenario happen. They kept a lot of guys

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Speaker 2: and then over a three or four year period they

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Speaker 2: kind of had to perch. One reason the Chiefs were

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Speaker 2: able to kind of circumvent that because they would have

621
00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:37,799
Speaker 2: been in the same exact scenario what happened. They sent

622
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Speaker 2: Tyreek packin. Do you know much money. That saved them

623
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Speaker 2: a lot, and that allowed them to kind of keep

624
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:51,040
Speaker 2: their group of players together while infusing some youth. I

625
00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:54,239
Speaker 2: don't know if it's true or not, but instagram saying

626
00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:57,040
Speaker 2: that Tyreek Hill has a lot of children like a

627
00:34:57,320 --> 00:35:01,960
Speaker 2: lot of children. I just don't think any any team

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00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:05,279
Speaker 2: structures contracts any differently than now. You could argue the

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Speaker 2: Cowboys wait the longest. I can't don't. I don't follow

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00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:14,600
Speaker 2: the Bills contracts close enough. Clearly the Cowboys go up

631
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:18,240
Speaker 2: until you know the line where a lot of teams

632
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:20,840
Speaker 2: think about the team of their division. The Eagles always

633
00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:23,799
Speaker 2: try to be proactive, hopefully it saves them five ten

634
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:27,320
Speaker 2: million dollars a player, where the Cowboys just write it out.

635
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Speaker 2: It seems like the Giants are prime for and are

636
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:36,319
Speaker 2: likely in the midst of a thirty year run of

637
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:41,360
Speaker 2: futility like the Lions before Campbell arrived. I was hoping

638
00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:45,520
Speaker 2: things would turned around after Mara hired Shane instead of

639
00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:49,560
Speaker 2: one of his old cronies such as Gettleman. Hard knocks

640
00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:53,440
Speaker 2: is showing that Mara clearly is trying to influence front

641
00:35:53,440 --> 00:36:00,799
Speaker 2: office decisions regarding supposed quote unquote fan favorite one thing

642
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:04,160
Speaker 2: on the word fan favorite. He's their best player, so

643
00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:09,080
Speaker 2: it's like and their offense is anemic beside him. So

644
00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:13,440
Speaker 2: I think fan favorite gets taken out of context. I

645
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:15,200
Speaker 2: think he's just trying to say, like, this is one

646
00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:18,120
Speaker 2: of the best, most popular players we've had, and we've

647
00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:20,040
Speaker 2: had a lot of them. I think that's what he

648
00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:24,759
Speaker 2: was saying more than like just selling jerseys. Now, some

649
00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:29,160
Speaker 2: people might want to disagree, but that's owners don't talk

650
00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:34,799
Speaker 2: like GMS players such as Saquon and Dan Jones, even

651
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:37,000
Speaker 2: if it may be in the best interest of the organization,

652
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:41,240
Speaker 2: they should move on. He comes off like a trust

653
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:43,920
Speaker 2: fund child who needs to be put in his place

654
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:47,080
Speaker 2: by the adults. It's not a stretch to think that

655
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:52,000
Speaker 2: Mara pushed for a Jones extension last year. Shane acquiesced

656
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:56,600
Speaker 2: as it was his first real offseason as a GM,

657
00:36:56,640 --> 00:37:00,400
Speaker 2: but gave himself an out after year two. Kinda. I mean,

658
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:03,200
Speaker 2: it's still gonna cost them some money. It's not that

659
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:05,960
Speaker 2: they gave him ninety two million dollars guaranteed. All I

660
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:08,000
Speaker 2: hear is everyone's like, it's two year contract. Look at

661
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:11,560
Speaker 2: the contract. This year's big, but next year is not zero.

662
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:15,640
Speaker 2: It seems Shane was determined to do what he thought

663
00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:18,040
Speaker 2: was right now, withstanding the external pressure from ownership, I

664
00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:22,520
Speaker 2: feel like successful teams I hear what you're saying. I

665
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:25,839
Speaker 2: don't know, man, I think part of being a good

666
00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:30,480
Speaker 2: owner in football is just hiring the right guys. And

667
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:34,040
Speaker 2: hiring the right guys is really hard. Like, is Robert

668
00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:37,600
Speaker 2: crab some fucking genius when it comes to football ownership?

669
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:42,160
Speaker 2: He's obviously was an excellent businessman, and he hired Bill Belichick,

670
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:45,400
Speaker 2: who then drafted Tom Brady and it changed their lives.

671
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:49,719
Speaker 2: Is Jeffrey Lurie Like he invests all the money, but

672
00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:53,520
Speaker 2: he kind of went all in on Howie Roseman and

673
00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:57,400
Speaker 2: it was a smart move. When you hire the wrong people,

674
00:37:57,640 --> 00:38:01,520
Speaker 2: you could argue in any industry, but more so in football,

675
00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:05,799
Speaker 2: then you could argue Wall Street, construction, you name it,

676
00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:09,480
Speaker 2: because the dude hiring knows like a lot of guys.

677
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:13,920
Speaker 2: If I own a construction company, right, there's a decent chance.

678
00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:17,680
Speaker 2: I'm not saying I know everything every trade, but I

679
00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:20,200
Speaker 2: bet if we just went construction owner by construction owner

680
00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:24,080
Speaker 2: in your town, in your city, like, they would have

681
00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:27,759
Speaker 2: a background in the business right and have an understanding

682
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:31,520
Speaker 2: of certain things. That go on on a day to

683
00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:34,480
Speaker 2: day basis of their projects. I'm not saying be masters

684
00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:39,319
Speaker 2: at it. Football owners don't know a football play like

685
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:43,120
Speaker 2: literally wouldn't know one play in the playbook. It's not

686
00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:47,719
Speaker 2: like they're scouts. They would have some understanding of the

687
00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:50,080
Speaker 2: money stuff, but in terms of building it, they know

688
00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:53,839
Speaker 2: nothing about it. There can't be many industries like that, Right,

689
00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:57,000
Speaker 2: you go to Wall Street, Like Steve Cohen knows a

690
00:38:57,040 --> 00:39:00,720
Speaker 2: lot about stocks, right, Warren buff It has a pretty

691
00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:03,320
Speaker 2: good idea about the market. Doesn't mean he knows everything,

692
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:06,279
Speaker 2: but like one of his employees, he can have a

693
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:11,480
Speaker 2: conversation in that employee. John Mara or Jed York or hell,

694
00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:14,280
Speaker 2: Jerry is one of the rare guys. He played college football.

695
00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:18,120
Speaker 2: Most of these guys are just rich kids. I mean, really,

696
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:22,080
Speaker 2: the majority of owners now in the NFL are rich kids.

697
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:25,640
Speaker 2: It doesn't mean they're not high level guys. Yeah, I

698
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:28,080
Speaker 2: think John Marr is a pretty high level guy. He

699
00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:31,000
Speaker 2: has just made mistake after a mistake, and it looks

700
00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:33,920
Speaker 2: like this is going to be a mistake as well.

701
00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:37,680
Speaker 2: I would say the highers than which he made in

702
00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:40,560
Speaker 2: Joe Shane and Brian day Ball made a lot more

703
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:44,040
Speaker 2: sense than his previous hires. But I say it's all

704
00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:46,440
Speaker 2: the time with coordinator. Just because you're a great coordinator

705
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:49,240
Speaker 2: does not mean you're gonna be the next McVeigh or Shanahan.

706
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:53,279
Speaker 2: More than likely you're gonna suck. History would show us

707
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:56,560
Speaker 2: that most gms are gonna be over their head. It

708
00:39:56,600 --> 00:39:59,319
Speaker 2: doesn't mean they don't know football, It doesn't mean they

709
00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:01,279
Speaker 2: don't work hard. It just means like it's a really,

710
00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:05,759
Speaker 2: really difficult job. You have to balance a lot, And

711
00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:09,080
Speaker 2: I just think this thing's going to go down in flames.

712
00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:11,879
Speaker 2: And I don't think it's John Morris's fault because even

713
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:14,359
Speaker 2: though he said fan Forever, he didn't mandate that they

714
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:17,720
Speaker 2: resigned him. I think the bigger issue is they hired

715
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:21,520
Speaker 2: what looked like two successful guys, the assistant GM from

716
00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:24,959
Speaker 2: the Bills and the offensive coordinator who had coached Josh

717
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:27,920
Speaker 2: Allen's first four years. How could you argue those two hires.

718
00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:31,040
Speaker 2: Me and you might have made those hires, But once

719
00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:33,160
Speaker 2: you make those hires, kind of keep your fingers crossed.

720
00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:38,560
Speaker 2: Sometimes you just hire like Andy Reid, who's like a

721
00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:42,680
Speaker 2: tight end coach run game coordinator for the Packers in

722
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:47,360
Speaker 2: ninety eight hope and then he becomes Andy Reid. But

723
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:50,320
Speaker 2: I bet there were other coaches hired that coaching cycle

724
00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:52,600
Speaker 2: that all of a sudden, it's like, but this guy

725
00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:56,680
Speaker 2: was working for Bill Parcells. So you just never know.

726
00:40:57,200 --> 00:41:04,440
Speaker 2: And I you obviously take the most educated guess you

727
00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:06,960
Speaker 2: can take of Like, listen, these guys got a long resume.

728
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:08,640
Speaker 2: He has been a lot of different places. This guy

729
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:12,839
Speaker 2: helped draft these five players. This coordinator was excellent working

730
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:16,279
Speaker 2: with these two quarterbacks. But you never know because the

731
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:21,239
Speaker 2: job you just it's so different. It's so different. Even

732
00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:24,080
Speaker 2: as a coordinator, right, Like I say it all the time,

733
00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:25,600
Speaker 2: you don't have to worry about the other side of

734
00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:28,400
Speaker 2: the ball. You don't have to manage the defensive coaches.

735
00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:31,600
Speaker 2: Sometimes you don't even have to manage the own coaches

736
00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:33,319
Speaker 2: on your side of the ball because the head coach

737
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:39,799
Speaker 2: is doing. Man, what's up, big fan here from Mexi, Cali, Baja, California.

738
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:42,279
Speaker 2: A question for your mail bag. If you had to

739
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:44,600
Speaker 2: bet the Chargers are gonna win a ring in ten

740
00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:48,360
Speaker 2: years with hardball, you take yes or no bonus question

741
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:52,480
Speaker 2: in and out or five guys. I never understand the

742
00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:55,239
Speaker 2: hate on in and out. I would consider myself a

743
00:41:55,320 --> 00:42:00,080
Speaker 2: cheeseburger connoisseur, and I think In and Out is elite.

744
00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:02,160
Speaker 2: I think it's elite. Now if you want to quibble

745
00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:05,279
Speaker 2: with the fries, I get it. Fries leave a little

746
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:08,839
Speaker 2: something to be desired, though I don't mind them. And

747
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:11,319
Speaker 2: I got fat because all I've been doing is drinking

748
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:13,799
Speaker 2: and eating for the last two weeks, and my only

749
00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:16,000
Speaker 2: workouts have been walks and swimming in the beach. So

750
00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:20,319
Speaker 2: but when I'm trying to be healthy, I try to

751
00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:22,920
Speaker 2: avoid the French fries. The other thing that In and

752
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:26,640
Speaker 2: Out I think does such a great job of that.

753
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:30,640
Speaker 2: Really nowhere else does is they don't outthink the room.

754
00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:34,800
Speaker 2: They're just so simple. You got three or four options, honestly,

755
00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:38,560
Speaker 2: like their curveball is a protein burger or animal style fries.

756
00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:43,480
Speaker 2: But it's one of It's not the biggest business because

757
00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:48,160
Speaker 2: of like Google and Facebook and Apple or headquarters in

758
00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:52,280
Speaker 2: California for how long who knows. But In and Out's

759
00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:55,640
Speaker 2: easily one of the best run businesses on the West Coast,

760
00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:58,960
Speaker 2: and I don't think these other places can say that.

761
00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:04,160
Speaker 2: So five guys good. I personally prefer Shake Shack over

762
00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:08,880
Speaker 2: five guys. But the problem with shakeshack for us. You know,

763
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:10,440
Speaker 2: if you're watching your weight, it's just hard to go

764
00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:13,120
Speaker 2: shake shack, not gonna miokscheck with your cheeburger, and that's

765
00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:15,239
Speaker 2: just a fat move. As the older you get, it's

766
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:17,040
Speaker 2: one thing you know when you're young, but the older

767
00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:20,520
Speaker 2: you get and you know, the metabolism slows. That's a

768
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:24,080
Speaker 2: gut bomb waiting to happen. Your question on the Chargers,

769
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:30,239
Speaker 2: I think that, Uh, I guess I would just bet yes.

770
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:34,120
Speaker 2: I guess I would just bet yes if Pete Carroll

771
00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:37,600
Speaker 2: can win a national championship and a Super Bowl. Jim

772
00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:41,799
Speaker 2: Harbaugh cana as well. And I think the Chargers I

773
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:45,640
Speaker 2: think nine to ten wins this year. I guess by

774
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:47,399
Speaker 2: the time we get there, we'll have to see how

775
00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:50,480
Speaker 2: injuries happen during training camp. But I think I'm probably

776
00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:52,240
Speaker 2: gonna pick them to be the six or seventh wildcard

777
00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:54,960
Speaker 2: team just because I bet on Jim Harbaugh. And one

778
00:43:54,960 --> 00:44:00,080
Speaker 2: thing I've learned since doing this podcast with takes and predictions,

779
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:03,840
Speaker 2: it's hard to go wrong betting on high end coaches.

780
00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:08,319
Speaker 2: Where you get burned is betting on question marks as

781
00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:11,640
Speaker 2: the coach. It truly is like last year, bet on

782
00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:14,960
Speaker 2: Dennis Allen in the Saints and I got burned. I've

783
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:17,440
Speaker 2: bet on the Chargers over the years with like Anthony

784
00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:22,279
Speaker 2: Lynn and Mike McCoy and Brandis Staley just because their

785
00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:24,960
Speaker 2: roster I thought was so good, and then you get burned.

786
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:29,239
Speaker 2: So when you bet on the Harbob Brothers, Kyle McVeigh

787
00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:31,919
Speaker 2: now Dan Campbell. That's why if you want to bet

788
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:37,360
Speaker 2: on Sean Payton, I wouldn't argue with you. You're usually

789
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:39,800
Speaker 2: proven right more than wrong. And I'm not talking on it,

790
00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:42,520
Speaker 2: you know, betting on an individual game. I'm just talking

791
00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:44,800
Speaker 2: over the course of a season. It's a long season,

792
00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:49,120
Speaker 2: and the cream usually rises, right, the cream usually rises,

793
00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:51,200
Speaker 2: So that's what I would expect. I mean, look at

794
00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:55,759
Speaker 2: the NFC playoff teams last year, Kyle Shanahan. We can

795
00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:57,800
Speaker 2: make fun of Mike McCarthy all we want, and he

796
00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:02,279
Speaker 2: deserves some criticism. Google his resume. I mean, we talk

797
00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:04,719
Speaker 2: about Mike McCarthy a little different than his resume. Looks

798
00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:07,920
Speaker 2: like he's pretty good. Obviously, his playoff resume in Dallas

799
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:11,120
Speaker 2: leaves a little to be desired, but he's a pretty

800
00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:16,239
Speaker 2: good coach. Lafloor, right, you just go Dan Campbell, like

801
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:20,400
Speaker 2: you just start going through Todd Bowles, who I'm not

802
00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:23,000
Speaker 2: sure how good he is, but that's a well run operation.

803
00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:29,400
Speaker 2: With Jason Light Sirianni, who's coaching first job. Probably again

804
00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:32,200
Speaker 2: a little like the Bucks. The Eagles are just well

805
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:35,440
Speaker 2: run and Sirianni now he gets better assistant coaches. Maybe

806
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:39,439
Speaker 2: it goes a little bit better. Question for the back.

807
00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:43,880
Speaker 2: It's election season. Here we go. If any athlete in

808
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:47,839
Speaker 2: the past fifty years decided to run for president, who

809
00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:50,480
Speaker 2: do you think would have the best chance of winning

810
00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:59,800
Speaker 2: the White House? And why? Okay, I'll pick up a

811
00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:03,600
Speaker 2: Republican and I'll pick a Democrat. If I had to

812
00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:10,680
Speaker 2: pick a Republican, I would go Peyton Manning. I would say,

813
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:13,920
Speaker 2: now here, listen. He is well liked in the media.

814
00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:16,879
Speaker 2: Once you pick that side, ninety eight percent of them

815
00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:19,840
Speaker 2: are gonna hate you, try to crush you. But I

816
00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:24,239
Speaker 2: would say he is one of the more presidential just

817
00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:28,880
Speaker 2: operators over the last twenty five years. He can balance

818
00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:32,400
Speaker 2: very very well being a man of the people and

819
00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:35,919
Speaker 2: also running with the elites, so he could campaign well.

820
00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:39,480
Speaker 2: He campaigned really well. I think he works like on

821
00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:43,879
Speaker 2: the West Coast, in the South, the Midwest. I think

822
00:46:44,080 --> 00:46:48,400
Speaker 2: obviously Indianapolis, I think he would just he would dominate

823
00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:52,680
Speaker 2: the debates. I just think he's well spoken, he's got

824
00:46:52,680 --> 00:46:56,239
Speaker 2: a personality. I think Peyton Manning as a Republican and

825
00:46:56,320 --> 00:46:58,000
Speaker 2: I think if you had to go on the other

826
00:46:58,040 --> 00:47:00,920
Speaker 2: side of the aisle, think you could have to go

827
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:06,759
Speaker 2: like Steph Curry, democrat, smiles a lot people just like him,

828
00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:09,920
Speaker 2: just gets along with everybody. I think he'd be one

829
00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:11,319
Speaker 2: of those guys that would get along with a lot

830
00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:12,719
Speaker 2: of people on the other side of the aisle. Same

831
00:47:12,719 --> 00:47:16,120
Speaker 2: thing with Peyton Manning. Just good at rubbing elbows. Obviously

832
00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:19,560
Speaker 2: you would have the media behind him being on that side.

833
00:47:20,680 --> 00:47:26,239
Speaker 2: And yeah, I mean I think those two guys come

834
00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:29,800
Speaker 2: to mind pretty quickly. You know, you'd choose Peyton Manning

835
00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:32,680
Speaker 2: over Brady. I think Brady would be a little more polarizing.

836
00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:35,080
Speaker 2: There's just be people that just wouldn't want to like him.

837
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:38,520
Speaker 2: I also think the work he got done, you knows,

838
00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:42,720
Speaker 2: he doesn't look just he's got a lot of work done.

839
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:45,719
Speaker 2: You know, Peyton looks a little more natural whenever you

840
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:47,799
Speaker 2: see him at one of these Tennessee Titans or not

841
00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:51,120
Speaker 2: Tennessee Titans games. But like Tennessee volunteer, like baseball, college

842
00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:53,279
Speaker 2: World Series, got a little gut going see even the

843
00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:56,840
Speaker 2: Nuggets game. He kind of looks like a normal dude,

844
00:47:57,400 --> 00:47:59,720
Speaker 2: even though he doesn't. He's huge, like he's really tall.

845
00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:02,360
Speaker 2: But I'm just saying, you know, Tom's got abs and

846
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:05,560
Speaker 2: he's got fake hair. Peyton just looks like a guy

847
00:48:05,560 --> 00:48:07,960
Speaker 2: who's like, eat a cheeseburger night for dinner, even though

848
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Speaker 2: he's probably got like a chef. I mean, so does Curry.

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Speaker 2: The hard part is it probably be those two. And

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Speaker 2: maybe that's you know, recency biased, but those would probably

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Speaker 2: be the two I'd go to the volume