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Speaker 1: you gotta do that, revew Before we get into that.
Speaker 1: The reason what what made me want to talk about
Speaker 1: this idea of cultural cachet versus social currency is whatever, Squaz,
Speaker 1: thank you for moderating my footheurt so I stayed at
Speaker 1: the crib right now just to do the thing today.
Speaker 1: The reason that the cultural cachet versus social currency is
Speaker 1: important because Monday afternoon, a couple of my buddies, a
Speaker 1: couple of people I've been doing since I first got
Speaker 1: in this business, we do we do this group chat
Speaker 1: thing once a month on the community podcast. That's problem
Speaker 1: Jason Martin, you know what I'm saying. Jason Martin, the
Speaker 1: homeboy manny a boy many who does the Age Boys
Speaker 1: Community pun who fig Community World. You know, that's part
Speaker 1: of his brainchild and ad same thing for him. I've
Speaker 1: been knowing them dudes for twenty years, like we're friends.
Speaker 1: So I said I would do the stream, would have
Speaker 1: once a month, you know what I'm saying, just to
Speaker 1: just to kind of you know, they wanted to make content,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. They want to do content
Speaker 1: with me. I'm like, all right, I'm gonna do it
Speaker 1: with the hummies. So I've been putting a lot of
Speaker 1: pressure on ad you know what I'm saying, because I
Speaker 1: feel like one thing people don't understand about being from
Speaker 1: this West Coast, you gotta manage your relationships when it
Speaker 1: comes to how people treat this culture out here, the
Speaker 1: street urban culture that we call hip hop based on
Speaker 1: the West. Everybody knows what it's about, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, They have a general consensus, but it's a
Speaker 1: lot of people, to me that play with it. So
Speaker 1: I always put pressure on the main stage of this
Speaker 1: culture at that time to not let people or their
Speaker 1: network play with it. Acting somebody who I've been you know,
Speaker 1: supporting his content since he first came on the scene.
Speaker 1: I mean, first person ever put me on the whole
Speaker 1: Warren shot rack, you know, just a really that was
Speaker 1: a really special time, and he did a really great
Speaker 1: job with explaining to outsiders what was happening there, at
Speaker 1: least from an outsider, and I had no idea, you
Speaker 1: know what that what that movement was about, completely, like
Speaker 1: I had even been there and I didn't quite know.
Speaker 1: But I got a lot of more information because of academics,
Speaker 1: and that's kind of how you established yourself. To make
Speaker 1: a long story short, AD and Act are friends. So
Speaker 1: I keep telling Ad. I'm like, hey, you need to
Speaker 1: put pressure on academics. You know what I mean about
Speaker 1: how you're talking about our culture out this motherfucker our
Speaker 1: street urban coaching, like they can't play with it because
Speaker 1: you know, if you don't know this, your reputation is
Speaker 1: everything when it comes to coaching, your reputation is everything.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean in this street urban lifestyle,
Speaker 1: you know, living that life, yo, it's your credit, is
Speaker 1: how you earned this respect.
Speaker 2: Everything about it is what it is.
Speaker 1: So I'm putting pressure on AD like AD cause you
Speaker 1: need to make sure you check this food. Don't let
Speaker 1: him be talking shit about the West like I don't
Speaker 1: care about the battle between Dot and Drake. I don't
Speaker 1: care about that, all that talking about the West Coast
Speaker 1: and all yeah dah da dah and this that and
Speaker 1: the third A.
Speaker 2: He gotta stop that, cuse you need to get on cuz. Right.
Speaker 2: So he used to always.
Speaker 1: Say, well, I ain't tripping, it's just content. It's just content.
Speaker 1: It's just content. I'm like, all that's cool, cud. But
Speaker 1: like this hurts your brand, and people see they could
Speaker 1: play with your street rm and culture this way, they
Speaker 1: will tarnish it. I say, y'all keep letting it go
Speaker 1: cuz he gonna go too far. Well, this was the
Speaker 1: time you went to fur. We have all these you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, crazy fires, you know what I
Speaker 1: mean out here tons of people lost their house, were
Speaker 1: talking about over five thousand homes lost.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. It was bad.
Speaker 1: And he does a stream and they ask him about it,
Speaker 1: and he says, he don't really give a fuck about la.
Speaker 1: Fuck that ship hole. Everybody shit could burn up. Everybody
Speaker 1: hit me, Everybody telling me that. So I'm like, I
Speaker 1: ain't got nothing to say. So Ad in the group chat,
Speaker 1: obviously we chopping it up. They said make glasses was right,
Speaker 1: he told you so fast forward. Here we are with
Speaker 1: the community, you know, our monthly group chat that we
Speaker 1: do on the community. I'm telling Ady, you know, everybody's
Speaker 1: telling him, like, man, you got to check your homeboy.
Speaker 1: So he calls ACT. He calls academics on the phone.
Speaker 1: Act picks up the phone. He calls ACT. ACT picks
Speaker 1: up the phone. He says, uh, he's.
Speaker 2: Asking him about it.
Speaker 1: Act starts to explain to him his position on what
Speaker 1: he was saying. Right, He started to explain that he
Speaker 1: has a problem with the politics of the government so forth,
Speaker 1: So you know so forth or so on. That don't
Speaker 1: got nothing to do with what you said. You just
Speaker 1: say you hope Gavin Newsoon house burn up. You just
Speaker 1: say you hope Karen Bass house burning up. You just
Speaker 1: talking about people in LA Right, So the homies talking
Speaker 1: to him. I'm watching him kind of position the homies
Speaker 1: into saying shit disrespectful about other people in street urban culture,
Speaker 1: as if ACT was a representative of East Coach Street
Speaker 1: urban culture. And that's not true. So I'm trying my
Speaker 1: best not to stay in the middle of it. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. I'm like, I'm not because I don't.
Speaker 1: I always said if I talk to ACT, I would
Speaker 1: talk to Acting person because I don't want him to
Speaker 1: say some stuff, you know what I mean, that I
Speaker 1: don't like, and then I got to go through all
Speaker 1: of the shit to get to him. I don't want
Speaker 1: you know, if we got a problem, I don't want
Speaker 1: you to know I'm coming for you, you know. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's just how I see things. So I would rather
Speaker 1: talk to that man in person, because I feel like
Speaker 1: when people put these podcast mics in front of them
Speaker 1: or they get on them streams, a lot of times
Speaker 1: they just lose track of they and start talking crazy
Speaker 1: because they just get out of hand. So I always said,
Speaker 1: if I ever talked to Act, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: Like I would talk to cousin person, like either on
Speaker 1: the phone, like it could be a cous could talk.
Speaker 1: But I really wasn't trying to make no confident act
Speaker 1: because it was like what he does is different than
Speaker 1: what I do. That's the same thing with like making
Speaker 1: the record with Drake. It didn't ever really make sense
Speaker 1: to me because in real time, it's like it never
Speaker 1: made sense to me because the kind of person I
Speaker 1: am and the kind of person he is so so
Speaker 1: important to be. Like, even before I understood it, I
Speaker 1: was very careful with what I did with my reputation
Speaker 1: and my brand on the street.
Speaker 2: Shit. I wouldn't let people claim the set that wasn't
Speaker 2: from the set.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't let people do things like you kind of
Speaker 1: have to like I needed to be authentic. I don't
Speaker 1: care what it is as long as it's authentic, right,
Speaker 1: same thing with Act, like again, like it's obviously I've
Speaker 1: respected a ton of stuff Act is done in his
Speaker 1: business and the stuff he covered when it came to culture,
Speaker 1: but also in a conversation with me, I'm not trying
Speaker 1: to make content even sitting right here talking to y'all,
Speaker 1: because I'm not trying to make content. When I had
Speaker 1: a homy trap which just popped in, I'm all my
Speaker 1: comed fake in the faith, like I'm really trying to build,
Speaker 1: like I always tell him about his community ADHD shout
Speaker 1: out to the homeboys and homegirls over there. I'm like, man,
Speaker 1: we could use this space to really rewrite the independent
Speaker 1: record business. That's why I'm here to build, You feel
Speaker 1: me with this shit, That's the only reason I'm here.
Speaker 1: So I always said if I talked to Act, right,
Speaker 1: I would talk to cousin person, Like, let me talk
Speaker 1: to cousin person. Fuck the content, because I need to
Speaker 1: really size up who am I dealing with? Like he
Speaker 1: we got a couple mutual friends to Hommie Charlotte Mane
Speaker 1: and Hommy Van So I'm not tripping cause it's like whatever.
Speaker 1: But he talking to the home homies right, He talking
Speaker 1: to the homies because he popping it with the hommies.
Speaker 1: So I'm watching him kind of position himself in the conversation,
Speaker 1: like trying to get them to talk about other people
Speaker 1: regions and the homies is making their conscious so they
Speaker 1: not taking it serious, so they just popping it with him.
Speaker 2: I'm not with that. That ain't my thing, that's the
Speaker 2: homies thing.
Speaker 1: So finally, when I had enough, I say, hold up,
Speaker 1: cause now I'm talking to him. Hey, bro, listen, fuck
Speaker 1: all that. Like what you said about these people Raggedy Cut.
Speaker 1: Don't talk about people around here like that, because you
Speaker 1: really owe these people apology now cause these people He's like, well,
Speaker 1: you know, if they feel offended, you know, my bad?
Speaker 2: Cool? All right, Cool. So now he's talking to me
Speaker 2: about other stuff.
Speaker 1: So we have a really really good conversation outside of
Speaker 1: you know, different parts of people trying to be clickbaities,
Speaker 1: I mean whatever, but we have an an interesting dialogue
Speaker 1: positioning about what's hip hop, about what I don't like,
Speaker 1: what he doesn't like. It became a real conversation to
Speaker 1: me that it wasn't good faith. I do think there
Speaker 1: were times he was trying to rewrop the conversation, but
Speaker 1: it was in good faith, and the conversation made me
Speaker 1: kind of say, Okay, you know, I wouldn't mind talking
Speaker 1: to him if he wanted to make content with me.
Speaker 1: That got him into a space to where it's like
Speaker 1: he was worthy of the dialogue for me. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying As a person, long story, short conversation
Speaker 1: wrapped up two three hours whatever. Everybody hit me, different,
Speaker 1: people hit me to come on streams, radio shows, whatever.
Speaker 2: Whatever.
Speaker 1: The next day, somebody shaid, who the fuck is Glasses Malone?
Speaker 1: And what gives him the right or what makes academic
Speaker 1: think that he is worthy? Like why would academics talk
Speaker 1: to him? And that became what I thought about between
Speaker 1: yesterday and today. Now ever, since I did the work right,
Speaker 1: I culturally I'm over the top because I lived all
Speaker 1: the shit we talking about.
Speaker 2: I got raised in it. I got raised from zero
Speaker 2: to one hundred.
Speaker 1: Like that means when I first started gang banging, I
Speaker 1: wasn't the toughest person in the world. People could do
Speaker 1: all kind of tricky stuff. By the time I came
Speaker 1: out of gang banging, you couldn't even play with me.
Speaker 1: So I kind of had the hard struggles. Culturally, I
Speaker 1: lived the whole culture you know my mom died in prison.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. I lost everything in the fairs.
Speaker 1: I used to say it like, I've lived the cultural experience, right,
Speaker 1: I've been through it at the worst levels and I
Speaker 1: survived it.
Speaker 2: All that's of value.
Speaker 1: So to this person, they were saying to me, why
Speaker 1: would I even talk to him? And it hit me
Speaker 1: to explain something, the difference between social currency and cultural
Speaker 1: cachet shut out to Themie Sean Harris, thank you for
Speaker 1: the fifty dollars. Jim Dandy, I'm gonna go get some
Speaker 1: with that fifty dollars and I'm an eat it on
Speaker 1: this stream, my boy.
Speaker 2: Appreciate you for that, Sean much love. I'm glad you
Speaker 2: at the lunch table. Uh.
Speaker 1: Shout out to Mark Gears, big supporter of no selling,
Speaker 1: somebody who's always encouraged me and Potton from the first
Speaker 1: time I start potting.
Speaker 2: I really appreciate you, Mark.
Speaker 1: I know you know we don't talk about it, but
Speaker 1: I've always saw your tweets.
Speaker 2: We always dialogue on social media.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, I appreciate that five dollars
Speaker 1: and all the supports through these four seasons and whatever else.
Speaker 1: You supported in my career that I don't know. Shout
Speaker 1: out to everybody who has supported everything you know what
Speaker 1: I mean in my career and more gear five dollars.
Speaker 1: I'm glad you was snoop sat dude down about what
Speaker 1: he said about the fire.
Speaker 2: Yeah that was just yeah, that was crazy. He just
Speaker 2: wasn't thinking at all.
Speaker 3: At all.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 3: So let's get to it man.
Speaker 1: So yeah, great point. So I always see your tweets, Squishy,
Speaker 1: I was crazy. This is always see your tweets, squishy
Speaker 1: Squishy said.
Speaker 2: I don't see her tweets. You see minds. I don't
Speaker 2: know how I miss your tweets, but I bet you
Speaker 2: I won't miss him. Now.
Speaker 1: I followed you and I have you on Selectors, so
Speaker 1: whenever you tweet, I see it.
Speaker 3: So don't do that.
Speaker 1: But the point I'm saying, somebody like Act could be
Speaker 1: really popular. Act is really popular. You know, we're talking
Speaker 1: about tens of thousands of followers, if not hundreds of
Speaker 1: thousands of followers. Yes, I mean for sure tens of
Speaker 1: thousands of followers, people that follow all this content, that
Speaker 1: follow his streams, that follow all of these things, like
Speaker 1: he is extremely rich when it comes to social currency.
Speaker 1: Like that means people talking about Act demand's polarity. It
Speaker 1: demands attention, right, it demands you know, whether you like
Speaker 1: it or not. He's a very polarizing person in today's space,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean when it comes to social
Speaker 1: media and different people talking about hip hop.
Speaker 2: He is so.
Speaker 1: Rich when it comes to currency, his name will generate
Speaker 1: a level of polarity, like you're gonna get polar opposite opinions,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. And that is great. And
Speaker 1: I mean again, it's somewhere. If it's not tens of thousands,
Speaker 1: it's hundreds of thousands of people. I mean his streams
Speaker 1: could do one hundred thousand, two hundred thousand, right, that's
Speaker 1: how popular. That's how rich he is in social currency.
Speaker 1: The difference with glasses alone, while I'm not as famous
Speaker 1: or as popular as Act when it comes to this
Speaker 1: thing called cultural cachet, like right, the ability and shout
Speaker 1: out to the hommy that's from Twitter.
Speaker 2: I don't his name ain't popping up. It's just a period.
Speaker 2: For some reason.
Speaker 1: For this year, the word culture is offensive. Even last year,
Speaker 1: culture is offensive. And I get wide because the person
Speaker 1: you enjoy the most in rap you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: You're being told this person is not of said culture.
Speaker 1: So I know that's an offensive thing, and I know
Speaker 1: that bothers you, but he's not, And I get why,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So this is why somebody
Speaker 1: like Glasses Malone, right, who has one hundred thousand followers,
Speaker 1: you know, and a couple hundred thousand dollars, can talk
Speaker 1: to a person like Drake that has a couple million dollars.
Speaker 2: Tens twenties, maybe one hundred million dollars.
Speaker 1: But when I say something, it's just as effective and
Speaker 1: it's just as powerful because what I have is dense
Speaker 1: and potent is different. It's one thing when you're talking
Speaker 1: about a thin level, a thin level of broth versus
Speaker 1: somebody that's like the chicken itself. It's just a level.
Speaker 1: And I think that's why y'all don't understand why certain
Speaker 1: words and certain people can go further, like they may
Speaker 1: not be that popular, like a Lord Jamar right, he
Speaker 1: has cultural cachet.
Speaker 2: He is wealthy in culture.
Speaker 1: And because this whole hip hop premise is built off culture,
Speaker 1: you feel me, the things that we say mean the most,
Speaker 1: the more things we reveal.
Speaker 2: Become even just as big.
Speaker 1: So that's why somebody like act would have to talk
Speaker 1: or he finds a reverence to even speak on me
Speaker 1: or speak my name because it's like glasses while he's
Speaker 1: not as popular as academics.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean.
Speaker 1: On the social media front is dense and cultural cachet.
Speaker 1: When when it comes to this thing, it's just different.
Speaker 1: You're gonna talk to me, I'm gonna know a lot more,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, People gonna respect my name.
Speaker 2: It's just gonna be different.
Speaker 1: That's just how it is because I have done what
Speaker 1: I needed to do to experience this existence and live
Speaker 1: my life, and that's everything in hip hop. A lot
Speaker 1: of people, there are some people in hip hop who
Speaker 1: really feel like money is what makes somebody.
Speaker 2: You know all that person is rich. It don't.
Speaker 4: It don't never did, never did. Man never asked you
Speaker 4: can you can? You could be the popular you could be.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. You can drink yourself with
Speaker 3: popularity right there.
Speaker 4: But when it comes to when it comes to being
Speaker 4: authentic and and being about you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 4: what hip hop is? You know what I'm saying, That
Speaker 4: isn't you ain't got to be the most popular person
Speaker 4: or nothing like that. You know what I'm saying, You
Speaker 4: ain't got to carry that right there. So but but
Speaker 4: you have to. But in order to be that, you
Speaker 4: have to carry the culture though. Man. You have to
Speaker 4: know what it is though, too. And that ship is
Speaker 4: similar to like a to like a I think like
Speaker 4: a ball player, you know what I'm saying. Like when
Speaker 4: you you got inside the NBA and you got skipping
Speaker 4: them niggas that do they ship? And you got that,
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying inside of the bas when
Speaker 4: you got you got Shock and Barkley sitting there talking
Speaker 4: the ship. You're you're gonna look at them them expert
Speaker 4: opinions right there a little bit more than you're gonna
Speaker 4: look at you know what I'm saying. The way skipping
Speaker 4: I'm gonna talk about the ship though, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 4: that's just because the way that should go though or.
Speaker 1: Google Google defines cultural Cashet is a term that describes
Speaker 1: the prestige or.
Speaker 2: Quality of something cultural.
Speaker 1: It can also refer to the approval or admiration that
Speaker 1: people have for something or someone, but really the prestige
Speaker 1: or quality of something cultural like I've been making these
Speaker 1: new forms of records I've been telling trap about now
Speaker 1: how I'm gonna start releasing them really soon, probably in
Speaker 1: the next twenty one days.
Speaker 2: I call it prestigious hip hop.
Speaker 1: Like the thought of expensive came to my mind, the
Speaker 1: thought of high brow came to my mind. But honestly,
Speaker 1: I don't think hip hop can be low brow or
Speaker 1: high brow. I always tell y'all, don't think hip hop
Speaker 1: could be low vibrational or high vibrational because you cover
Speaker 1: all parts of I know, I know, but I think
Speaker 1: it shouldn't because cultural That's like imagine calling soul food,
Speaker 1: you know, low vibrational food.
Speaker 4: I get what you're saying, but you can you can
Speaker 4: say some soul fool is gonna it's gonna it's good
Speaker 4: for you, know what I'm saying, And some soul food
Speaker 4: is gonna be what you mean also probably good for you. No,
Speaker 4: soul fool's good for you.
Speaker 1: Because remember, yeah, remember if you think about it, right,
Speaker 1: it's it's it's food that's kind of making. Do you
Speaker 1: know what I mean saying about believe in Like he
Speaker 1: was giving the scraps and signed out of the scraps.
Speaker 2: Like yeah, that's why.
Speaker 1: That's why I always say, I don't say soul fool
Speaker 1: is Black culture as much as it's American slave culture.
Speaker 2: And it just happened to be ninety nine point nine
Speaker 2: percent of American slaves with black people. But again, every
Speaker 2: black person wasn't eating that.
Speaker 1: But you know, I read this book by the Honorable
Speaker 1: Elijah Muhammad, How They Need to Live, and he pretty.
Speaker 2: Much trashes all soul food.
Speaker 1: I mean, greens, how raggedy they are, and if you
Speaker 1: think about it, it's true. I mean, like, why would
Speaker 1: you have to cook a vegetable for hours to make
Speaker 1: it tender?
Speaker 2: That's just crazy. I mean, if you tried to cook
Speaker 2: spinach for hours, it'd be mush. I mean, if you
Speaker 2: try to cook any of that stuff for hours, it'd
Speaker 2: be much so. Again, I don't like the term low
Speaker 2: brown or high brown hip hop, and I think it
Speaker 2: does a disservice to somebody that is not necessarily prolific
Speaker 2: in English, the English language or English tricks you know
Speaker 2: from dialogue, speaking like with or not with, but similes
Speaker 2: and metaphors. It's like how we always talk about with Tupac,
Speaker 2: where people don't understand what make tupac a great writers
Speaker 2: because he understood the cultural cachet of the things he
Speaker 2: was talking about, you know what I mean, And that's
Speaker 2: what it is.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 1: It's like people thinking hip hop is just rap lyrics,
Speaker 1: like oh he raps good, and it's like, yeah, that
Speaker 1: don't matter. Like I'm sure if Donald Trump sat down,
Speaker 1: Donald Trump could probably strike a decent sixteen. But I
Speaker 1: just don't know if if I would jump off the cliff
Speaker 1: and make him hip hop.
Speaker 4: What I'm saying, Yeah, I'm gonna say. I'm gonna say
Speaker 4: Pop came with what you know. You know, I believe
Speaker 4: in the low viborational, high viborational when it comes to music, though,
Speaker 4: and I'm gonna say, like Pop did he doubled that
Speaker 4: one in both? I feel like, but I hear what
Speaker 4: you're saying though within it though, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I mean, as far as far as when we start
Speaker 1: talking about how other artists really play into the English language,
Speaker 1: you know, the technique of punchlines, similes, metaphors. There are
Speaker 1: some hip hop artists that really root themselves in that
Speaker 1: part of it, right, I mean, that is there.
Speaker 4: That's what my appreciation, that's what my appreciationers do.
Speaker 1: That like that, Yeah, I stayed pride and enjoy cannabis.
Speaker 1: That's cannabis, pride and joy.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Like, but then a year you take somebody like Tupac
Speaker 1: who understands the earth, the street urban cultural experience that
Speaker 1: most of the youth was going through, right, and then
Speaker 1: they actually say it in the words, using the correct
Speaker 1: dialogue to get the message across, and it's just as powerful,
Speaker 1: if not more powerful than things that cannabis is saying,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So it's like, that's why
Speaker 1: when I was working on this style of records, I
Speaker 1: wouldn't call it low brow or high brow, because it's
Speaker 1: doing a disservice to what street urban culture is all about.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: It's like, if you long as you convey this level
Speaker 1: of street urban culture, you know what I mean? Because
Speaker 1: even how we talk to each other trap sometimes we
Speaker 1: don't got to be. We ain't in the fift We
Speaker 1: ain't in the sixteen pages of the dictionary.
Speaker 2: It could be.
Speaker 1: You know, we get to have a conversation using about
Speaker 1: twelve words, and the conversation is valuable.
Speaker 2: Now it is unique.
Speaker 1: If I start using a lot more colors to paint
Speaker 1: the picture. But you gotta also appreciate the painting. They
Speaker 1: got three colors. It might be rich, it might be dense.
Speaker 1: It's the difference between like, like we was talking about
Speaker 1: it the other day, Gucci Man and Killer Mike. Both
Speaker 1: of them convey Southern street urban culture. One does it
Speaker 1: with a different level of dialogue, you know, English dialect
Speaker 1: and technical tricks. The other one do it with a
Speaker 1: lot more feel, you know what I mean, feel extra annunciation,
Speaker 1: you know, shout out.
Speaker 2: To squishy Like Lucris is.
Speaker 1: A really underrated master you know, of words when it
Speaker 1: comes to the English language, including the cultural feel of
Speaker 1: it all versus somebody like Tip. That is the feel
Speaker 1: like he is nice, you know, it's with his nice.
Speaker 1: His punchlines is decent. He's a more than proficient them, see.
Speaker 1: But his feel as a Southern street urban act is unrivaled.
Speaker 1: And that's why at one time we were all comfortable
Speaker 1: with referencing him as the King of the South when
Speaker 1: Lil Wayne is in the space, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So I didn't like the term low brow high brow
Speaker 1: because we reference in street urban culture artistically. I mean
Speaker 1: do we say rap is low brow out and graffiti
Speaker 1: is high brown, you know, like you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: Like I didn't like that art? Yeah is that? And
Speaker 1: that's the thing. No, such art like Doctor Seuss is
Speaker 1: not low brow art. Like there's a genius in what
Speaker 1: Doctor Seuss does. You know he made on right, you
Speaker 1: know it's not the Bible.
Speaker 4: But so you you play, you play Doctor stets up,
Speaker 4: there's close up there with Shakespeare or anything like that.
Speaker 1: Saying yeah, Doctor Seuss is as nice as Shakespeare to me,
Speaker 1: and they do something completely different.
Speaker 4: But see, but see I think I think that. But
Speaker 4: then like that that goes into that the personal digesting
Speaker 4: the art that you know what I'm saying, it's taking
Speaker 4: it in, you know what I'm saying. You gotta meet
Speaker 4: like you say you say had times, you gotta meet that.
Speaker 4: You got to meet the listener where they at, you
Speaker 4: know what I'm saying. Then, So, now, if if it's
Speaker 4: gonna be trying people that ain't gonna want to head cannabis, rap,
Speaker 4: rap with metaphors and symbolies.
Speaker 1: And and there's certain people who are not going to
Speaker 1: want to hear that version of that New York who
Speaker 1: is a who was a who is a person that
Speaker 1: just conveyed New York just a main MAINO got nice.
Speaker 1: Let's say already, Oh no, Cat Cat cast is like energy,
Speaker 1: he's New York energy.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
Speaker 1: And you can't tell me now you could say one
Speaker 1: person is more proficient when using the English language, like
Speaker 1: like a fabulous But both of them dudes feel like
Speaker 1: Brooklyn to me, and they both accomplished the same goal
Speaker 1: of making me feel the Brooklyn experience or the Brooklyn
Speaker 1: relationship between people.
Speaker 3: I think I'll be thinking like this.
Speaker 4: It's always it's always separated the artists like that, like
Speaker 4: you got you got all this, such as like Damn,
Speaker 4: I put dmn X Tupac, I even put like a
Speaker 4: person like gold in the box of a passionate rapper.
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying. They speak, they speak very
Speaker 4: passionately with their music. Right then you're gonna feel, You're
Speaker 4: gonna feel what they're saying, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 4: And they ain't gotta say too much, but you're gonna
Speaker 4: feel it is that you wanna feel that ship. And
Speaker 4: then you got the ones that you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 4: like like you deliricism. I mean not to say they're
Speaker 4: not lyrics though, but it's just the one that just
Speaker 4: rely on a lot more, do a lot more with
Speaker 4: the words and ship like that. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: It's a separation of it.
Speaker 2: So I didn't like. I didn't like calling it low brown,
Speaker 2: high brow.
Speaker 1: So I used the term prestige, where it's a widespread
Speaker 1: respect and admiration felt for something based off the perception
Speaker 1: of quality.
Speaker 2: That that's the term.
Speaker 1: I think I've settled with prestigious hip hop, where it's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm not playing by the rules of all.
Speaker 2: These old records, right.
Speaker 1: And I was telling my homeboy shout out to Will Bronson,
Speaker 1: who manages Kept in Chagron, Killer Mike's party. Getting Will
Speaker 1: is from the Bay Area, used to an SMC the
Speaker 1: independent label, brilliant mind. One of the sharpest motherfucker people
Speaker 1: I know when it comes to this thing. And I
Speaker 1: listen to everything he said. Seriously, Him and Stretch are
Speaker 1: like probably like my muse when it comes to business
Speaker 1: and how I see this game. You know that we
Speaker 1: call monetizing hip hop all good. And to make a
Speaker 1: long story short, he was asking me, how did I feel,
Speaker 1: you know, He's like, you don't think you can make
Speaker 1: this a little bit better of a record. And I'm like,
Speaker 1: when we're saying that, we perceiving and chasing something that's
Speaker 1: a little bit more what we would call digestible, or
Speaker 1: some people say dumbing it down. I told him I
Speaker 1: carry enough cultural cache right that I'm not trying to
Speaker 1: dumb it down. I carry enough cultural cachet to where
Speaker 1: somebody who don't have to, you know, someone who he
Speaker 1: doesn't listen to this level of or this style of
Speaker 1: hip hop right could still appreciate it just based off
Speaker 1: of my cultural cachet, just based off of that. And
Speaker 1: I genuinely believe even the person who prefers their culture,
Speaker 1: they receive their culture a little simpler than what I'm
Speaker 1: doing with words, will still receiving from me. And that's
Speaker 1: what I'm able to bank home because I've just been stockpiling,
Speaker 1: you know, culture like I've been, I've just been building
Speaker 1: the cachet of how people see me culturally. Shout out
Speaker 1: to somebody, make sure you put your name, bro, because
Speaker 1: I don't know your name. How do we know if
Speaker 1: it's a story, if story to person telling, we not
Speaker 1: around twenty four to seven. We don't know what these
Speaker 1: people did and didn't do.
Speaker 2: I think that's in relative to something else.
Speaker 1: A lot of creative expressions make believe, but it's different
Speaker 1: if you start believing the story you're really telling.
Speaker 2: It's true, that's true.
Speaker 1: Shout out to Don much love, Don, Welcome to the
Speaker 1: lunch table. People should only speak on things they actually live.
Speaker 1: Experience is good, bad Land does valuable wisdom. If you
Speaker 1: haven't lived it, then you shouldn't speak on it, because
Speaker 1: then it's just a bunch of accusations.
Speaker 2: You don't have to be famous to be a relevant,
Speaker 2: talented artist. That's true.
Speaker 1: That's true, And that is the difference between social currency
Speaker 1: and cultural cachet. As far as how I see hip
Speaker 1: hop like that, it's different, right, It's like, so every
Speaker 1: artist to me doesn't have to have the experience of
Speaker 1: what's happening in their community.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 1: Like ice Cube wasn't going out of selling dope obviously
Speaker 1: when he made My Summer Vacation. He was already a
Speaker 1: more time platinum rapper that was probably a millionaire at
Speaker 1: this point in its life. But long as he got
Speaker 1: the experience right from people that's from out that section
Speaker 1: or in that area right long as he got the
Speaker 1: expression right in my summer vacation.
Speaker 2: That's what hip hop should be. They should be.
Speaker 1: Relaying the wisdom of the community, not just their own.
Speaker 1: I always say this and shout out to Still because
Speaker 1: Still used to give me shit about it. But hip
Speaker 1: hop is the movement of we, not the movement of me.
Speaker 1: We don't, you know, we've never cared about what's crazy
Speaker 1: is when I was growing up listening to hip hop
Speaker 1: or you know, any rap songs, I don't think I
Speaker 1: ever cared if the people lived the story, you know.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think that's a different, you know struggle,
Speaker 1: Like I don't quite know if sugar Hill went to
Speaker 1: their friend house and the food just wasn't no good,
Speaker 1: the macaroni in a melow taste, like, well, I don't care.
Speaker 1: Like that happens culture. That's what mattered to me. I
Speaker 1: don't know if Mellie Meo walked out of his house
Speaker 1: and it was broken glass everywhere and the stairways smelled
Speaker 1: like piss, even though I'd imagine you it's true, but
Speaker 1: it don't matter because I know that there's a place
Speaker 1: in the Bronx that's just like that there's a place
Speaker 1: in Wats like that. So hip hop is about speaking
Speaker 1: for the culture, you know what I mean that you
Speaker 1: grew up in. I don't know if Nas was out
Speaker 1: all of this stuff he saw, you know what I'm saying, Like,
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think I really get into that.
Speaker 1: I think your job as a hip hop artist like right,
Speaker 1: as a like just like a being. I always say this, like,
Speaker 1: as a hip hop artist, you're an elected delegate, like
Speaker 1: you speak for your constituents. You speak for you know,
Speaker 1: the public you represent. The lights might be on at
Speaker 1: your house. You might got the best deal, but you
Speaker 1: don't speak for that. The people who represent and maybe
Speaker 1: you know, y'all might.
Speaker 2: Be on the something. A shout out to the homegirl.
Speaker 2: What was your name?
Speaker 1: We go back and get her name, Shout out to
Speaker 1: don because we might be on the something. Maybe if
Speaker 1: some of these representatives and politics had to live in
Speaker 1: the neighborhood, maybe they would represent it different. I'm not
Speaker 1: mad at that. I'm not mad at the thought of
Speaker 1: that because it is some you know, some white man
Speaker 1: that lives in you know, Calabasas representing this district of Watts.
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying, like they come and visit there,
Speaker 4: or they come and see what I'm saying, touch the pavement.
Speaker 4: Though you know what I'm saying, they come and touch
Speaker 4: the pavement, see whatever what I'm saying, see see what
Speaker 4: the people is living like I think.
Speaker 1: But then again we're saying the same thing. Shout out
Speaker 1: to homie from Twitter again which I don't know his name.
Speaker 2: He just won't give his name. It's just weird.
Speaker 1: For example, Drake said Kendrick beats his wife. Where's the proof,
Speaker 1: God said, Drake's a pedophile? Where's the proof? Pdf fil
Speaker 1: where's the proof? People ran one, I'm assuming because it
Speaker 1: sounds good of just using this as an example.
Speaker 2: Nobody ran with neither one of those, like, that's just
Speaker 2: a weird thing.
Speaker 1: Like nobody do you think this would be the energy
Speaker 1: if people thought that that man was like that? Do
Speaker 1: you think we would exist in a space where he
Speaker 1: could walk about the world anywhere in the world if
Speaker 1: people genuinely thought this man was like in which world?
Speaker 1: Nobody is gonna let nobody believes either thing. Nobody thinks
Speaker 1: that Doc beats his wife. Nobody truly thinks or not
Speaker 1: enough people think Drake would be a PDF foul. Bro,
Speaker 1: that's just ridiculous, and that's what makes this lawsuit ridiculous.
Speaker 1: Nobody thinks he's a You think you could just be followed.
Speaker 1: You thought the court would hear you if they knew
Speaker 1: that you was a PDF foul. You thought you could
Speaker 1: put out one song? How many people? Okay, here's a question, Trap,
Speaker 1: I'm not seeing biased, my boy. You being ridiculous. Don't
Speaker 1: be silly. People don't like people, don't like people that
Speaker 1: play with kids like they will kill you.
Speaker 2: They beat them up on Twitter every day.
Speaker 1: You gotta stop being silly, Like it's okay to be
Speaker 1: a fan, but you don't gotta be a stand.
Speaker 2: Bro.
Speaker 1: If people said man was a PDF, there's not one person.
Speaker 2: That would be okay with him walking around life. Trap.
Speaker 2: Let me ask you a question.
Speaker 1: If his fans saw a video with him and a
Speaker 1: twelve year old girl, do you think he would have fans?
Speaker 2: I don't care.
Speaker 1: We have saw some despicable we have. We have saw some,
Speaker 1: we have heard some. We've seen some crazy things culturally right,
Speaker 1: some crazy things. No, I'm not accusing you of being
Speaker 1: a stand I'm saying, don't be a stand. I've seen
Speaker 1: some despicable things happening, right, and it is. He does
Speaker 1: have a group of people that feel like his interests
Speaker 1: are their interests. But do you think if he saw
Speaker 1: a video with him with an eleven year old girl,
Speaker 1: do you think he would still be okay with him?
Speaker 4: He asked me to scrept the hell No, it's a
Speaker 4: pack him up. But my thing with my thing with
Speaker 4: the whole situation is the fact of these things wouldn't
Speaker 4: be able to be said if it didn't seem like
Speaker 4: that's what the fuck it was.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna say this, ship, though, when you want to stay,
Speaker 3: you want to stay.
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying telling the seventeen year old
Speaker 4: girl that you're gonna get yourself locked up? Nigga, you
Speaker 4: put yourself that situation right there, you know what I'm saying, situation.
Speaker 1: Which makes to me, to me, which just does nothing
Speaker 1: but make the punch line hit. It makes the punchline hit,
Speaker 1: It makes the thing, It makes the scheme work. It
Speaker 1: don't mean that we thinking that this dude is no
Speaker 1: pdf file.
Speaker 2: Ship Ship though, Ship, I'm not disagreeing.
Speaker 1: But we don't think he's a pdf file, bro. This
Speaker 1: wouldn't be a conversation. If we thought straight out think
Speaker 1: about a trap like this would be discussion is again
Speaker 1: it's like and that was another thing about that battle
Speaker 1: that's pretty much been over for a year. Everything, Yeah,
Speaker 1: everything about that battle was important because one god does
Speaker 1: have more social currency in that battle. Flake is more popular,
Speaker 1: Jake is more worldly known, but Dot is the face
Speaker 1: of cultural cachet. He is the token centerpiece of everything
Speaker 1: you could be by being genuinely and authentically street urban culture.
Speaker 1: That's the difference. And again in in a in a
Speaker 1: in an in an art space that this thing we
Speaker 1: call hip hop is in an arts where it's built
Speaker 1: on street urban culture. It doesn't matter who's the most
Speaker 1: popular person shout out to push your t that's somebody
Speaker 1: else who carries a ton of cultural cachet.
Speaker 3: That's the fact.
Speaker 2: Shout out to David Jones.
Speaker 1: David Jones said the claim has more legs than any
Speaker 1: of the stuff he said about Dot. That's why it hurts.
Speaker 1: I don't even think it hurts him. I don't think
Speaker 1: he lost his deal with Nike. Do you think Nike
Speaker 1: would be in business with the PDF fil Do you
Speaker 1: think any of these venues you think Australia would be
Speaker 1: bullying like this is not about that.
Speaker 4: But it was the artist job. It was his job
Speaker 4: the paint a picture and make people believe that it
Speaker 4: is about it.
Speaker 2: Though, But he didn't have to. But he didn't know what.
Speaker 4: When the battle started, right when we said, we said, Joe, listen,
Speaker 4: the thing about a good battle with when the battle's over,
Speaker 4: motherfucker's gonna walk away. Look at that looking at the
Speaker 4: louser different. You know what I'm saying like that, And
Speaker 4: that's what then happened right there. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 4: like like like the loser is gonna be looked that different.
Speaker 4: And that's that happens in every battle, be that, every
Speaker 4: hip hop, that's that happening. Like that happens, And that's
Speaker 4: what happening right.
Speaker 3: Now, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: So yeah, that's what's going on. I mean, it's just
Speaker 4: I mean, listen, man, No, we didn't think. No, we
Speaker 4: don't think that Drake got a dungeon full of full
Speaker 4: of you know what I'm saying, little girl, now, we
Speaker 4: don't think that right there. We don't think the embassy
Speaker 4: the embassy, Yeah, you know what I'm saying, it's looking
Speaker 4: kind of weird though.
Speaker 1: But that's because a great artist can paint something and
Speaker 1: enhance the vision, like enhance the look of it. Because
Speaker 1: these things are happening in this space because he's on
Speaker 1: stage saying this, or he got certain lyrics where he's
Speaker 1: saying things.
Speaker 2: That are a little bit more casual.
Speaker 1: You can channel that if you're a you're talented artists,
Speaker 1: you can challenge it, right, you can challenge it and
Speaker 1: then put it into spaces that make your style and
Speaker 1: your approach better.
Speaker 2: Mm hm, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: And and and name honestly shout out to me and
Speaker 1: west Cool. Drake is unreal when m this is black girls,
Speaker 1: they saved him. Now Drake wanted to get saved because
Speaker 1: he's not fully black. It's sad that this is in
Speaker 1: disrespect only is okay for that he's fully black? You know, dude,
Speaker 1: He's fully black. It's just crazy. Jahru was never the same.
Speaker 1: But you know what I always say this in that
Speaker 1: battle Ja Ru Okay again, Now I am not the
Speaker 1: lesson in hip hop that Ja Ru is.
Speaker 2: Let's start right here.
Speaker 1: So then this is just my thought, right ju situation
Speaker 1: shout out to shout out the South Side Queens and
Speaker 1: that's no sign.
Speaker 3: Forget.
Speaker 2: That was the Batle North.
Speaker 1: If I'm Joe right, you have to dish now because
Speaker 1: if you ignore a wave, it may crush you by
Speaker 1: the time the dish records come out. Right, by the
Speaker 1: time the dish records come out, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: And back then it was different. It did take more time.
Speaker 2: To get a dish record out, you.
Speaker 1: Know what I mean, because you wanted to market it
Speaker 1: as a part of your product. Remember, like, uhh, Jay
Speaker 1: dropped Takeover. He previewed Takeover, but you.
Speaker 4: Didn't hear I was I was there. I was there. Yeah,
Speaker 4: tell me all that looks like?
Speaker 2: What that looked like?
Speaker 4: That ship was crazy, man, like that whole moment. That's
Speaker 4: what Michael Jackson came out to and waved that the
Speaker 4: crowd and all that ship.
Speaker 1: Tell me how that moment was. Tell me how that
Speaker 1: moment was.
Speaker 4: What Michael Jackson when he gave you take So so
Speaker 4: he debuted to takeover Ship. So he did the So
Speaker 4: you remember he came out on the stage talking and
Speaker 4: ship right there. So when he started performing, he only
Speaker 4: did the Remember he only did product. He only did
Speaker 4: the Prodigy versus at first. No, we don't know. Never,
Speaker 4: we never heard. We never, we didn't know. We didn't
Speaker 4: hear the Nines versus we heard the product. You heard
Speaker 4: the Prodigy versus. So he wrapped, wrapped it, wrapped it
Speaker 4: on the beat and everything. It was the first time
Speaker 4: you heard takeover. First time you heard Takeover first that summer,
Speaker 4: that summer jam. You know what I'm saying. He goes,
Speaker 4: he goes, he does the whole. There's the whole. It
Speaker 4: was a ballerina. I got the pictures. I see it,
Speaker 4: and it's a whole. Rockefellow on the stage with him,
Speaker 4: and they all pointed the screen. I got the pictures.
Speaker 4: I've seen you putting the screen right. Put it the
Speaker 4: summer you see produce on the Summer Jams screen with
Speaker 4: the with with the fucking with the fucking dance outfit
Speaker 4: on and all that ship doing the split biggas like
Speaker 4: two different pictures of the ship.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 4: So he goes back on the ship, though gets back
Speaker 4: at him again that it is with the He goes
Speaker 4: on to the rest of the person that goes ax
Speaker 4: nons he don't want it with hole.
Speaker 3: No, the whole crowd of ups, the whole crowd of
Speaker 3: ups ax, nos.
Speaker 4: He don't want it will hold now it stops whole
Speaker 4: crowd of ups, crowd of screaming for about five minutes
Speaker 4: off ship is many holes went crazy. Then they then
Speaker 4: they exit the stage and mic come out. Then they
Speaker 4: exit the stage. They exit the stage with the playing
Speaker 4: we are the champions, We are the champ remember the
Speaker 4: dame dash they have with everybody wanted to do it.
Speaker 4: That's what they played the beat up and they exited
Speaker 4: the stage with that ship right there though. Beat but
Speaker 4: the ship was crazy, you know, so it was it
Speaker 4: was it was. It was a moment that when we
Speaker 4: was in the moment, you ain't you ain't really realized
Speaker 4: that this ship it was just now yeah yeah yeah yeah,
Speaker 4: I ain't even like like so so we ended up
Speaker 4: hearing the we because we hit him going that. Nots
Speaker 4: really heard him going that prodigy, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: But he heard him going that prodigy though like that.
Speaker 4: But he ended it off with like axe nins, he don't.
Speaker 2: Want it with whole no.
Speaker 3: Crazy, it was crazy, that's what crazy.
Speaker 1: So so long story short, he drops so he previews
Speaker 1: it on Summer Damn stage. I understand nas drops the
Speaker 1: song after that because he hears that he uses his
Speaker 1: name like a freestyt yep and it doesn't quite hit hard,
Speaker 1: but people heard it. And then Takeover drops obviously nine
Speaker 1: to eleven, two thousand and one, which is this crazy
Speaker 1: day in American history for me. Blueprint one, then the
Speaker 1: Twin Towers, which I'm sorry, I'm so raggedy, but I'm
Speaker 1: just a hip hop dude like that because that's like
Speaker 1: my favorite jay Z album, one of my favorite top
Speaker 1: three hip hop albums ever.
Speaker 2: And then I hear Takeover, and remember Ether comes out
Speaker 2: three months after.
Speaker 4: Remembers actually came out, you know, actually came out on
Speaker 4: jay z birthday. Yeah, three months.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because he's he's finishing the album and preparing to
Speaker 1: release the album. So I say that to same, right,
Speaker 1: because remember Steve Madick came out that same time.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah right, what I'm saying, Remember that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: He had to back then, you just didn't throw away singles. Yeah,
Speaker 1: how we do it now? How we got that battle
Speaker 1: where you know they were you know, they were marketed
Speaker 1: singles the highest level back and forth, you know, six
Speaker 1: to seven songs.
Speaker 2: Where the whole world.
Speaker 1: It wasn't that easy to get a song into everybody's
Speaker 1: hand at that point, you know what I'm saying. So
Speaker 1: fast forward with Jah ruin fifty. When when fifty took
Speaker 1: off on Jah remember Whangster kind of was like it
Speaker 1: was kind of people felt it was about job, but
Speaker 1: it wasn't quite Joe until back Down, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Like, when back Down happened, everybody got their hands.
Speaker 1: So however long it took Joah Rud to make the
Speaker 1: album and then finished, would end up becoming not New York,
Speaker 1: but the first clap Back. Remember, because they were still
Speaker 1: trying to sell records with it. They wouldn't just they
Speaker 1: wouldn't just drop.
Speaker 2: Rightbody around so coming around that town too.
Speaker 1: Know, that was that was the second album, the second album,
Speaker 1: next one, first album at the battle was the one
Speaker 1: with Clapback. Yeah, right, But it took time to make
Speaker 1: the album and then the song and he dropped it
Speaker 1: and it didn't clap Back didn't quite hit. And then
Speaker 1: it took another year and then they made New York
Speaker 1: and then the r Kelly song and New York actually hit,
Speaker 1: but he missed with clap Back. If New York would
Speaker 1: if it had been New York, right, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, If New York right.
Speaker 2: Where clad Back was at, we might be talking about
Speaker 2: this battle different.
Speaker 4: We all know why that battle happened. Battle that like
Speaker 4: that though, And know what I'm saying. I mean, I mean,
Speaker 4: we know that fifty was doing. Fifty was on his ass.
Speaker 4: Fifty was on it. Sure, mix Tate mix tape, Mix
Speaker 4: tape mentioned his name. I'm saying like that. But then
Speaker 4: them boys got them, them Alphabet boys came through those too,
Speaker 4: And that's what I was.
Speaker 1: Finna Sayah, that's to the point I was getting to
Speaker 1: to the person that said Jahru's career was ended. Oh
Speaker 1: the honey name brand name. The Feds came and screwed up.
Speaker 1: They deal with death jam. When the fans came and
Speaker 1: took Irving him to jail, it screwed up. They deal
Speaker 1: with death jam. So they wasn't able to keep releasing music.
Speaker 1: So it looks like his career was over. But after,
Speaker 1: you know, fifty drop back down and get rich. Remember,
Speaker 1: jah Ru has a couple of other platinum albums and
Speaker 1: hit singles as long as he could put him out.
Speaker 1: And then the last, the third project they put out
Speaker 1: after that battle was the greatest hits that had no
Speaker 1: marketing because Depth Jam had pulled the plug on the
Speaker 1: program based around the FEDS. So even in this battle,
Speaker 1: it wasn't like like all Drake had to do is
Speaker 1: get back to the music. But again, this is where
Speaker 1: social currency doesn't help you. Being popular doesn't help you.
Speaker 1: It just means there's a million more people to make
Speaker 1: jokes about you if you don't know how to lean
Speaker 1: back into the culture that this thing is. And you
Speaker 1: have a problem though, you have a problem with when
Speaker 1: Dre and them dropped Dreda, you feel me, Easy was
Speaker 1: on his heels. Easy got it back together, he had
Speaker 1: his deal in place. He came right back with real
Speaker 1: competen City Jeeves.
Speaker 3: What was the time between that right there?
Speaker 2: I think like four months? Yeah, because Dreda came out.
Speaker 1: Dred came out in ninety two, like December, and Real
Speaker 1: motherfucking Gee's came out ninety three.
Speaker 2: August.
Speaker 3: Yeah feel me? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, So again we again we're looking at a battle
Speaker 1: different today, it's different back then. Back then you you
Speaker 1: really was trying to sell some records to go with.
Speaker 2: The damn you know you.
Speaker 4: Was Now that it was at your promo and promo
Speaker 4: to like like definitely within still Madic. That was That's
Speaker 4: that's why we ran and got steal Madic like that.
Speaker 4: We wanted to hear that eighth thing. Yeah, we can't
Speaker 4: wait that eighth.
Speaker 2: Now, that was the first n CD. That was the
Speaker 2: first Nazi ever bought.
Speaker 1: Now that's not the first NAS song I ever liked,
Speaker 1: but that was the first na CD I ever bought
Speaker 1: because of the Battle.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I remember. That's so impressed.
Speaker 1: Was still madic, right, just like I've been sleeping on
Speaker 1: this dude, like this is toute is tough. And then
Speaker 1: I had to go back and I had to go
Speaker 1: back and get obviously I went and bought what was
Speaker 1: the three records before that?
Speaker 2: Three albums before that, four albums. It was written Nazi.
Speaker 4: It was written yeah, all Matic, all mad it was
Speaker 4: three Battle, it was all Madic. It was written National Diamonds.
Speaker 4: I am forelbum, I am, I Am, I Am.
Speaker 2: So it's like I remember because I remember the National dominics.
Speaker 2: The genuine song term y'all I ain't to me is
Speaker 2: hard though, uci Wanley to me is hard though that
Speaker 2: could be finest, but that's hard to me.
Speaker 4: But I didn't like the the uh the timing man
Speaker 4: that was timbling man, Timular did that, ship TONI did that,
Speaker 4: did that same bullshit, the fucking l L with the
Speaker 4: something like a phenomenon. He just trying to get him
Speaker 4: something different, and he's trying to get into his record.
Speaker 4: He wanted some big record. You can't get this business
Speaker 4: and don't want no big records. Shout out to them
Speaker 4: and Revince, thank you for being at the lunch table.
Speaker 4: My boy always supported me. It's somebody we met having
Speaker 4: age about hip hop.
Speaker 1: And again, like most people that know me, I'll really
Speaker 1: be trying to building a genuine space. Everything I speak
Speaker 1: on I'm being genuine about it. It's never like there's
Speaker 1: no malice. I don't have a disdain. Even in this
Speaker 1: particular battle that we're talking about. That is my man,
Speaker 1: but we call it. We still won't call us to spade.
Speaker 1: It don't matter. I mean, we don't need to cheat.
Speaker 1: He was built for the moment. Shout out to the homies, uh,
Speaker 1: but shout out to revenge. Laughing my ass off man.
Speaker 1: We talking about a guy we already knew wasn't built
Speaker 1: like that, though, Bro, we knew Drake wasn't like that
Speaker 1: from the jump. Now he in the courts and you're
Speaker 1: looking at it through a non judicial lens. Of course,
Speaker 1: don't necessarily always side with culture. More time than not
Speaker 1: its anti culture. Yes, but I don't think we're talking
Speaker 1: about that. I think I told y'all he wasn't like that,
Speaker 1: but y'all thought he was like that, definitely. I told
Speaker 1: y'all he wasn't like that. Y'all told me he was
Speaker 1: like that, and I kept telling you, but I knew
Speaker 1: he wasn't like that, And I told y'all he wasn't
Speaker 1: like that. You feel me like y'all didn't know he
Speaker 1: wasn't like that. I'm like, this guy is a you know,
Speaker 1: as a regular guy, but it's not about that. And
Speaker 1: even as from a lawsuit standpoint, I'm not a lawyer, bro.
Speaker 1: So I just don't think it's gonna work out for him.
Speaker 1: I think when you read through the lyrics, When you
Speaker 1: read through the lyrics, you're not really gonna be able
Speaker 1: to prove he said anything. The faming or defamat or
Speaker 1: what's the word deflammatory about you, inflammatory about you, you're
Speaker 1: not There's nothing he said specifically. If we read through
Speaker 1: the lyrics of that song. Right now, right, let's let's
Speaker 1: read through the lyrics.
Speaker 3: Of not like us, We got some Time, We got got.
Speaker 1: I want you to tell me, where is the actual
Speaker 1: line that a judge is gonna say, Hey, he said
Speaker 1: this about you.
Speaker 2: This is so crazy.
Speaker 1: I see dead people. Mustard on the beat, hole a
Speaker 1: mustard on the beat. Ho de bot any rap nigga?
Speaker 1: He a free throw man down, Call an ambulance, let
Speaker 1: him breathe, bromella nigga to the cross. He walking around
Speaker 1: like TEASO. What's up with these your bronie ass trying
Speaker 1: to see Compton? The industry can hate me, fuck them
Speaker 1: all and they Mama, how many ops you really got?
Speaker 1: I mean, it's too many options. I'm finna pass on
Speaker 1: his body. I'm John Stockings. Beat your ass and the
Speaker 1: Bible of God watching that is such an ill line.
Speaker 1: I know you're watching my string dot that's ill. Beat
Speaker 1: your ass, the Bible of God watch it. Sometimes you
Speaker 1: gotta pop out and show niggas certify boogey man. I'm
Speaker 1: the one that have to skull with him, walk walking
Speaker 1: down whole time. I know he got some hole on him,
Speaker 1: got some hole in him. Hold on him X door
Speaker 1: shit bully to flow on him. Say Drake, I hear
Speaker 1: you like I'm young, You better not ever go to
Speaker 1: sell block one to any bitch that talk to him
Speaker 1: and there in love. Just make sure you had your
Speaker 1: little sister from him. That's not gonna that's not gonna
Speaker 1: be defamation in court. It's not a intent revenge. Intent
Speaker 1: don't matter in this kind of suit. Yeah, like it's
Speaker 1: it's that's not going to be enough revenge. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying that that's not that's not going to work.
Speaker 1: That's not going to work. Uh, that specific line, say Drake,
Speaker 1: I hear you like I'm young, You better not ever
Speaker 1: go to sell block one to any bitch that talk
Speaker 1: to him and they in love. Just make sure you
Speaker 1: had your little sister from him. That in no way
Speaker 1: says he's a PDF foul. That's not going to work
Speaker 1: as a defamation of character. They tell me, Chub's the
Speaker 1: only one that gets your hand me downs and party
Speaker 1: at the party, playing with his nose now and BAKA
Speaker 1: got a weird case. Why is he around? Certify lover
Speaker 1: boy certified pedophiles. Still, that's the closest you can do.
Speaker 1: But again, he named three other people. That is how
Speaker 1: court works. That's exactly how court works. That's it exactly
Speaker 1: how court works. They're gonna look at the lyrics and say,
Speaker 1: where is the where is the inflammatory lyrics about you?
Speaker 1: That's how defamation work. That's how defamation work. It don't
Speaker 1: work no any other way.
Speaker 2: Wop wop wop wop wopp. Fuck him up, wop wop
Speaker 2: wop wop wop.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do my stuff. Why are you trolling like
Speaker 1: a bitch? Ain't you tired? Trying to strike a chord?
Speaker 1: And it's probably a mining.
Speaker 3: That was hard too.
Speaker 2: Again, if Baka, even Baka Baka's got a why is
Speaker 2: he around?
Speaker 1: That's not saying he was convicted. That's not saying he's guilty.
Speaker 1: It's saying he had a weird case. Why is he around? So, now,
Speaker 1: if those guys were saying that, it'd be a different conversation.
Speaker 3: That they used to that they'll use the do I
Speaker 3: work for the for the single no said the artwork.
Speaker 4: Sposta have been like as been like predident.
Speaker 1: This is where this is where art and this is
Speaker 1: where art can't impede on free speech. You think the
Speaker 1: bag gonna let you disrespect pop nigga. I think that
Speaker 1: Oakland Show gonna be your last stop.
Speaker 3: Nigga.
Speaker 1: The call foul. I don't know why you're still pretending.
Speaker 1: What is the our bird niggas and bird bitches go
Speaker 1: the audience not dumb. Shape the stories how you want, Hey, Drake,
Speaker 1: They're not slow. Rabbit hole is still deep.
Speaker 2: I can go further. Our promise.
Speaker 1: Ain't that something? B rad stands for bitch and you malibus.
Speaker 1: Ain't no law boy, you bad boy. Fetch gatorade or something.
Speaker 1: It's two thousand and nine. I had this bitch jumping you.
Speaker 1: Niggas can get a wedgie, be flipped over your boxers
Speaker 1: with over your the other vaginal option.
Speaker 2: Pussy. Niggas better straighten their posture, get famous.
Speaker 1: All In Compton might write this for the doctor to
Speaker 1: the popstar quick hiding fucking caption won't action, no accident.
Speaker 2: I'm hands on. He fucked around, get polished, fucked on
Speaker 2: Wayne girl while he was in jail.
Speaker 1: That's conniven. Then get his face tatted like a bitch apologizing.
Speaker 1: I'm glad he rose came home. Y'all didn't deserve him neither.
Speaker 1: From a longer down the central nigga better not speak
Speaker 1: on some ENAs and your homeboys need subpoenas.
Speaker 2: Then predators moving flocks. Your homeboys need subpoenas. The predators
Speaker 2: moving flocks. That name gotta be registered and placed on
Speaker 2: neighborhood watch. I lean on you, niggas like another line
Speaker 2: of rocks. All eyes on ge and I'm gonna send
Speaker 2: it up to up top. Put the wrong label on me.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna get him drop sweet chin music and I
Speaker 2: won't pass the ox. How many stocks do I really have?
Speaker 2: A stock? One? Two, three, four, five plus five? Devil
Speaker 2: is a lie, He's a sixty nine god. Freaky ass.
Speaker 1: Niggas need to stay they ass inside role ass something
Speaker 1: like a fresh pack of Zy City is back up.
Speaker 2: It's a musk we out. So he actually never in
Speaker 2: the song couts him that, And what's crazy is he
Speaker 2: only uses it twice in a song, zero chance.
Speaker 4: Yea.
Speaker 2: The fact that y'all keeps saying this is where to me,
Speaker 2: because like, what are you talking about? What the fuck
Speaker 2: is we talking about?
Speaker 4: It?
Speaker 1: Do come across Hella Biblical demo shout out to demo Radio.
Speaker 1: He said, nigga reading scripture facts.
Speaker 2: That's a fact. Helibiblical. I'm really proud to forgive me.
Speaker 3: He went crazy.
Speaker 2: I'm so proud.
Speaker 1: I'm so proud of the impressed because this, this level
Speaker 1: of craftsmanship, and this assault is dope. I am impressed,
Speaker 1: Like he got me. All the other stuff is fired.
Speaker 1: I shout out to X, shout out to excuse me.
Speaker 1: What's your name, bro, I'm not know what if you'll
Speaker 1: put your name dot. If Drake was fought, he would
Speaker 1: have shoot over meet the Grahams. Kendrick lied about a lot.
Speaker 1: Now we would have something to think about that. I
Speaker 1: could take the case serious. I could be like, oh, yeah, well,
Speaker 1: you know, he gonna have to prove it. I get
Speaker 1: that his name's Todd. Shout out to Todd. Much left,
Speaker 1: Welcome to the lunch table, Todd.
Speaker 2: I agree.
Speaker 1: Then I would be like, yes, yes, now that's the case.
Speaker 1: This Let me finish. Once a kind of time, all
Speaker 1: of us was in chains. Homie still doubled down, calling
Speaker 1: us some slaves. Atlanta was the mecca building railroads and trains.
Speaker 1: Been with me for a second. Let me put y'all
Speaker 1: on game. The settlers through the town folk to make
Speaker 1: the town, to make them richer. Fast forward twenty twenty four,
Speaker 1: you got the same agendas. You run to Atlanta when
Speaker 1: you need a check balance. Let me break it down
Speaker 1: for you. This is the real nigga chi call future.
Speaker 1: When you didn't see the club, little baby, help get
Speaker 1: your lingo up. Twenty one, Yeah you fall street crib
Speaker 1: thug made you feel like you a slime in your head.
Speaker 1: Quable said you could be from north Side two chain.
Speaker 1: Say you good, budd Eli. You run to Atlanta when
Speaker 1: you need a full dot, when you need a few dollars.
Speaker 1: Know you're not a colleague. You're a fucking colonizer. The
Speaker 1: family matter and the truth of the matter, it was
Speaker 1: God plans to show y'all the liar. Damn so again
Speaker 1: the thought of your case that somebody that you would
Speaker 1: have to say somebody defined you again that that's not
Speaker 1: going to work. It's a form of advertisement. It's not
Speaker 1: going to work. That's going to go on an advertisement.
Speaker 1: Trust me, there is no proof of bots that's going
Speaker 1: to go on advertisement. And the label won't have nothing
Speaker 1: to do with that, y'all. Don't y'all not listening to
Speaker 1: what I'm saying to you about these labels. They don't
Speaker 1: have those type of services in house. They your job
Speaker 1: is to go out and promote and market someone, right.
Speaker 1: They hire different independent record promoters to actually go out
Speaker 1: and attain play for artists.
Speaker 2: So it still wouldn't be a case that they could
Speaker 2: put on him. If that were the case, they won't
Speaker 2: make the purchase that. It's never happened that way, Todd's
Speaker 2: I'm telling you the truth. Todd.
Speaker 1: Listen to me as somebody who's been in that system
Speaker 1: for ten years of my life. Todd, for ten years
Speaker 1: of my life, I've been in that system. I have
Speaker 1: twelve records that came out in that system, twelve records.
Speaker 1: Trust me when I tell you.
Speaker 2: They do not have proof of that.
Speaker 1: They will never be able to prove that in nowhere possible,
Speaker 1: especially not with that company. I know that company, Todd,
Speaker 1: I've I've been in that company years. I'll watch how
Speaker 1: they do it. I got my budgets. So anything they do,
Speaker 1: they outsource it. If they did something wrong, they would
Speaker 1: out source it, and that means you would have to
Speaker 1: sue that company. So even on this part right here,
Speaker 1: there are two lines say Drake, I hear you like
Speaker 1: I'm young. That is not going to win a defamation
Speaker 1: of character.
Speaker 2: Lawsuit. I'm really proud of how clean he did this too.
Speaker 2: Trip Did you really trip off? How clean this is?
Speaker 3: Yeah? That was that was crazy.
Speaker 1: But it's not the case to revenge. To be fair, Glasses,
Speaker 1: this has never happened before. We never had a case
Speaker 1: like this.
Speaker 2: This is different. It's not.
Speaker 1: It's not because for somebody to say defamation of character,
Speaker 1: like like Cardi b Swing people they said something about.
Speaker 2: Her that that was supposedly facts like that, they said
Speaker 2: something about her. They just say, hey, Cardi b A
Speaker 2: she robbed like they said something specifically. Shout out to Todd.
Speaker 2: He said, yeah, but we talking about a whole different
Speaker 2: caliber artists. Bro no off, it's you, Glasses, because I
Speaker 2: fuck with you super heavy. I've seen they budgets, both guys, Todd,
Speaker 2: both guys one guy.
Speaker 1: I know the person that ran THEY system. I actually
Speaker 1: been a part of THEY system the whole time. Top
Speaker 1: is really one of my closest friends and confidence in
Speaker 1: his music business since I first started.
Speaker 2: So I watched him develop his business model. He'll tell
Speaker 2: you the same. I pretty much learned a million things
Speaker 2: from him. We was learning at the same time. So
Speaker 2: I saw his budgets and I saw Drake's budget because
Speaker 2: I'm signing cash money records.
Speaker 1: There's no different caliber artists. It's just bigger. It's just
Speaker 1: bigger budgets. So again, he never called him that even
Speaker 1: to say he insinuated. He's insinuating.
Speaker 2: He's hanging with guys. So even those guys would have
Speaker 2: to follow clean in the street guys, so they're not
Speaker 2: This is crazy man. Again, say Drake, I hear you
Speaker 2: like I'm young. That's not going to win in court.
Speaker 2: I hear you like him like a bitch. Ain't you
Speaker 2: tired trying to strike a chord? And it's probably a
Speaker 2: minor that's actually a chord.
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying. That's a double mean But
Speaker 4: he's actually talking about the court that he gets away
Speaker 4: with that that.
Speaker 2: I'm so impressed. I didn't it was dope, and I
Speaker 2: knew it was dope, and I'm telling I'm telling him
Speaker 2: it was dope. But this is slick slip.
Speaker 3: He did it. He did it the first one more verse.
Speaker 4: No, that was it.
Speaker 2: Everything else is a bridge. No, all four versions. So again,
Speaker 2: let me look, because.
Speaker 1: Shoves the only one that gets your hand me down
Speaker 1: and party at the party, playing with his nose now
Speaker 1: and BAKA got a weird case. Why is he around
Speaker 1: certify love a boy certified pedophiles. That is not going
Speaker 1: to work for him. He is not going to win
Speaker 1: this case. It's not about trying to get somebody to
Speaker 1: understand rap bet. That's actually the point revenge shout out
Speaker 1: to revenge. He brings up a good point. That's a
Speaker 1: good argument. They still got to make the argument. So
Speaker 1: trying to convince someone who doesn't understand rap Bee, that's
Speaker 1: the point. You don't have to convince somebody. They're gonna
Speaker 1: say what was said about you that defamed your character?
Speaker 1: What was said about you? Everything was in your window, revenge.
Speaker 1: Everything about what he's saying is in you window. Hey Drake,
Speaker 1: I hear you like I'm young, does not say that
Speaker 1: you are a PDF.
Speaker 3: All they gotta do with that one, right there is
Speaker 3: pull that motherfucking video up.
Speaker 2: Though, where he's kissing a girl that's seventeen years old
Speaker 2: to sixteen years said so again he and he even
Speaker 2: said to her, hey, yes you can get me in trouble.
Speaker 2: I like you, but you can get me in trouble.
Speaker 2: So again, like this is not biased. I'm just thinking
Speaker 2: because at first I was thinking to myself, like, man,
Speaker 2: he worded this song well, shout out to Nick. He man,
Speaker 2: he got me beat. This is hella good.
Speaker 3: Fuck.
Speaker 2: This is like good as some of the dudes I
Speaker 2: grew up listening to. And I told him, I'm like, hey, bro,
Speaker 2: this is really good. Like it's one thing to be
Speaker 2: good for this era. It's another thing to be all
Speaker 2: time great again. That would be another case, Todd. He said,
Speaker 2: what happened if Meet the Grahams comes up in court,
Speaker 2: that would be a different thing. Todd.
Speaker 1: He would have to sue in for that song. But
Speaker 1: he specifically referenced the song in the defamation lawsuit. So
Speaker 1: then they have to work with these three lines. These
Speaker 1: are the three lines, say Drake, I hear you like
Speaker 1: I'm young, or they would have to work with him
Speaker 1: talking about Chubb's party and Bakker saying he's a lover
Speaker 1: boy and their pedophiles, or trying to strike a chord.
Speaker 2: And it's probably a minor again, that is slim Pickens
Speaker 2: to get a jury or a judge to convict on
Speaker 2: defamation of character. Minus the rat battle. He really didn't
Speaker 2: disimin a damn song like there is now. He didn't
Speaker 2: say a lot of disrespectful things about him. In this song,
Speaker 2: he just makes He's just he did this good.
Speaker 4: He makes Drake walk away being looked that different after
Speaker 4: the song is done, though, but hey, shout out to
Speaker 4: Richard P.
Speaker 2: Thomas, Hey, welcome to the Lush Table, Brothers, my first
Speaker 2: time seeing you. Great point. I forgot about this.
Speaker 1: There was a defamation case filed against Tupac in nineteen
Speaker 1: ninety eight by Haitian Jack because against all Liddes, and
Speaker 1: it was dismissed because Haitian Jack could not prove there
Speaker 1: was injury to his ability to make money. So that
Speaker 1: means this song would have had to interrupt it his
Speaker 1: ability to make money. He would have to show deals
Speaker 1: he lost. And I don't think that would be wise
Speaker 1: for him to start presenting himself as a loser, because
Speaker 1: whatever he's saying in court is gonna come out.
Speaker 2: What did he lose?
Speaker 1: Nothing has been advertised about him losing anything. He is
Speaker 1: not going to win this case. Shout out to Todd again.
Speaker 1: He got approved party getting high too. That's if party
Speaker 1: was suing him, If party next door was suing him, yes,
Speaker 1: he would have to prove that that could be a
Speaker 1: defamation to character. But party wouldn't do that. Party is
Speaker 1: from the streets to some degree, so he can't do that.
Speaker 1: He's not Shout out to Roughie and TV. This is
Speaker 1: why defamation case is so hard to prove. Drake has
Speaker 1: to proved undeniable evidence for defamation and that is one
Speaker 1: thing that that dude stuck without doing. Shout out to
Speaker 1: Kevin who makes a very great point. Oop that's thrown
Speaker 1: out too. He dropped eighteen songs last year, so that's
Speaker 1: dead on a rival. He just went on Twitter Australia.
Speaker 2: Again.
Speaker 1: This is a tough case to prove. Again, I'm not
Speaker 1: a lawyer. I'll try to get a lawyer on Friday's
Speaker 1: stream to talk about it more. You know what, I'll
Speaker 1: try to get that lawyer that uh that does that
Speaker 1: stuff all the time, because I would like to see
Speaker 1: the line. Shout out to Jeremy cole man, big supporter
Speaker 1: on Twitter. Man, I appreciate all the support. Jeremy cole
Speaker 1: You've been at the lunch table a couple of times.
Speaker 1: I ain't got to welko, you eat what you want
Speaker 1: at the table, bro. Drake is trying to say the
Speaker 1: colonizer bars Anti Semitic.
Speaker 3: I told you about that, about that. I heard about that,
Speaker 3: and that's not gonna work.
Speaker 1: Because Jewish people historically are not considered colonizers. That's a
Speaker 1: line about white English people the Bible, I thought, in
Speaker 1: the Bible line the Bible with God watching, I ain't even.
Speaker 2: This is.
Speaker 1: Look not the intern the lawyer he wrong too often
Speaker 1: then in the lawyer funny, I like you though, Yeah,
Speaker 1: all right, shout out the name brand who brings up
Speaker 1: a good point. Drake sold out the tour right, that's
Speaker 1: what they said, squishy crutch Field.
Speaker 2: I told you it's Jewish shy coming out crying. It
Speaker 2: never went in.
Speaker 1: Shout out to the homie Nick, Thank you g from
Speaker 1: all of us C West Coast. Yeah, man, that that
Speaker 1: that academic thing was funny many Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4: I mean, like I told you, man, I had the
Speaker 4: first the first clip I've seen with you, But that
Speaker 4: was you told me to go to the community and
Speaker 4: left the stream. We left the live last time. You
Speaker 4: told me it was going over there. So the first
Speaker 4: one somebody sent it to me.
Speaker 3: He just sent it to me.
Speaker 4: When you're talking about the culture, I don't even know
Speaker 4: about the about getting the apology first I like and
Speaker 4: I like the way you did that before we go
Speaker 4: into this culture ship.
Speaker 3: You better not apologize, bro.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 3: The people that was insensitive and very insentive. Man that
Speaker 3: was sucked up.
Speaker 2: I was just raggedy and you my thing, my thing
Speaker 2: with act is whatever.
Speaker 1: Bro, But you still a brother, like you still gotta
Speaker 1: have some kind of integrity when you carry yourself.
Speaker 3: Bro.
Speaker 1: I don't care about if you don't like no white politicians. Bro,
Speaker 1: there's people that lost their career.
Speaker 4: Bro.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like very crazy man.
Speaker 3: You don't just say that.
Speaker 2: I really look at hip hop really honestly.
Speaker 4: Bro.
Speaker 1: If you participate or if you and this, you really
Speaker 1: my little homie. Like I don't care what you think.
Speaker 1: You really my little homie. And I ain't gonna let
Speaker 1: you go out like no sucker and be doing no
Speaker 1: sucker stuff. I tell Flock all the time that when
Speaker 1: I talk to him, like they don't do no sucker stuff,
Speaker 1: like make your content, make your money, but don't be
Speaker 1: a sucker.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 2: That ain't player, you feel me like, just be player?
Speaker 4: Bro.
Speaker 1: These dudes be having talent. They already really have talent,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. Everybody really have talent you
Speaker 1: don't got to just be a jacket.
Speaker 4: That was crazy when he said though he said that, man,
Speaker 4: then he dry justify the ship though, So I ain't
Speaker 4: like that.
Speaker 1: You're talking about Gavin Newsome in California. You are a
Speaker 1: brother talking to brothers. Don't start talking to us. And
Speaker 1: then I realized people thought it was ignorant. I'm like, no,
Speaker 1: we we're black in America, so we're not having that conversation.
Speaker 1: This is a specific conversation. It's the way you treat people.
Speaker 1: Like again, but they'd be that uncultured thing like that's
Speaker 1: why we talking. Always say, experience is how people treat you.
Speaker 1: Culture is how you treat each other. I mean, how
Speaker 1: you treat people. But that's all I give.
Speaker 4: Wait wait that no, no, no, no about the best
Speaker 4: batch the song though in the long case, and let's
Speaker 4: just get to it. Man, y'all know why the fuck
Speaker 4: he doing this shit? Man, I'm gonna tell you right now.
Speaker 4: After February ninth, he dropping his case last case.
Speaker 2: That's all it is. That's all it is. He mentioned
Speaker 2: it to you in the little case because the nigga
Speaker 2: mentioned it in the case. The nigga said, let me
Speaker 2: tell you what the Nigga said. He said, well, this
Speaker 2: is in the TMZ article.
Speaker 1: It's also Claire Drake's very mindful of what's going down
Speaker 1: in New Orleans next month.
Speaker 2: In the suit, he claims UMG was in on getting Kendrick.
Speaker 1: Super Bowl halftime gig so the song could be performed
Speaker 1: at the massive stage, which he calls one of the
Speaker 1: most significant and view cultural events of the year.
Speaker 2: But that's it, you know. I was talking to John.
Speaker 1: Shout out to only John John from ADHD, the community,
Speaker 1: the ADHD. Make sure y'all go download clubhouse, go jump
Speaker 1: on on ADHD community. We sometimes do it on Twitter,
Speaker 1: but great hip hop community to be a part of.
Speaker 2: You learn a million things. We were talking about some
Speaker 2: specific and he was saying something. I just lost my
Speaker 2: train of thought.
Speaker 3: Super Bowl.
Speaker 4: Said, the super Bowl is gonna be at the super Bowl.
Speaker 4: You read on the whistling, you read on what they
Speaker 4: said about the about the culture, biggest culture.
Speaker 1: Event, cultural event. Hommy just tagged me in something. Let
Speaker 1: me see what happened, said UMG responded, let me see
Speaker 1: what UMG said. Crime Universal Music was sponsor Drake's defamation
Speaker 1: federal lawsuit. Not only are these claims untrue, but the
Speaker 1: notion that we would seek to harm the reputation of
Speaker 1: any artists, let alone Drake, is illogical.
Speaker 2: We have invested massively in.
Speaker 1: His music, and our employees around the world have worked
Speaker 1: tirelessly for many years to help him achieve historic commercial
Speaker 1: and personal financial success. Throughout his career, Drake has intentionally
Speaker 1: and successfully used UMG to distribute his music and poetry,
Speaker 1: to engage in conventionally outrageous back and forth rap battles
Speaker 1: to express his feelings about other artists. He now seeks
Speaker 1: to weaponize the legal process the silence and artists creative expression,
Speaker 1: and to seek damages from U and G for distributing
Speaker 1: that artist music. We have not and do not, engage
Speaker 1: in defamation against any individual, the statement concludes. At the
Speaker 1: same time, we will vigorously defend this litigation to protect
Speaker 1: our people and our reputation, as well as any artists
Speaker 1: who might directly or directly become a frivolous litigation target
Speaker 1: for having done more than write a song.
Speaker 2: Oh shit, oh shit, Oh yes serious.
Speaker 4: Yeah, my lawyer is better than yours. Yeah, I was right,
Speaker 4: My law than crazy, Like come on, bro, yeah, he
Speaker 4: just down. He wants to battle people what the funk
Speaker 4: we suposed to do? Bro One wants to battle people
Speaker 4: say things about people.
Speaker 2: Mother and then again if maybe if he does other
Speaker 2: things like like shout out to Todd and he said
Speaker 2: this record but not that record, that record is not
Speaker 2: going to work like that.
Speaker 1: Idea is ah Man shut out to the Skinny Day.
Speaker 1: Thank you for ten dollars. Brother, that's my first time
Speaker 1: seeing at the lunch table. For your first time, welcome man,
Speaker 1: I appreciate you being here. Bro Glasses. Outside of his
Speaker 1: great rap skin, I really believe Kendrick would be a
Speaker 1: harder poumber for anybody because what can you say about him?
Speaker 2: There isn't much up there about him, which is a plus.
Speaker 3: But you was talking about how shoe size he could
Speaker 3: say shit.
Speaker 2: Battle rappen like.
Speaker 1: I get it over the last couple of years or
Speaker 1: few years, like if you think that's what battle rapping
Speaker 1: is about. NAS didn't say anything special about jay Z
Speaker 1: that we didn't know.
Speaker 3: Look the jay Z a little bit different when it
Speaker 3: was over, though.
Speaker 1: Because a rap battle is a rap battle. It doesn't
Speaker 1: matter if you have information that's not how Dot won
Speaker 1: that battle. It's not he didn't have extra that album
Speaker 1: don't have that song, don't have no extra information that
Speaker 1: we didn't think about already. That song has no new information.
Speaker 1: Did he mention one thing that nobody ever said before? No,
Speaker 1: So it's not nothing a battle. You can win a battle.
Speaker 2: It's not that.
Speaker 1: Forgive me, I'm not saying. I'm saying that's not what
Speaker 1: you need to win or lose A battle like battle
Speaker 1: is all about approach. You know, if you listen to
Speaker 1: the bridge is over, you know what I'm saying, Shout
Speaker 1: out to Uh, Chris, shout out to the oghummy.
Speaker 2: I don't know why I slip on my damn mine.
Speaker 1: What's his name? Queens from the bridge is always about
Speaker 1: Shan shout out to Ogmi, Shan to shann and Chris.
Speaker 1: It wasn't about that when it's about Dre. When it
Speaker 1: was LLL and Kumo D it wasn't about leaking information
Speaker 1: uh snoop and easy, I mean Dre and easy. It
Speaker 1: wasn't about that. Q versus n w A is not
Speaker 1: about that, right, that's not like you like that's a.
Speaker 2: Or where you do something.
Speaker 1: But now you could win a battle just by being
Speaker 1: better than somebody else. And what's better. It's just depending
Speaker 1: on how you work the theme, the scheme of what
Speaker 1: you doing.
Speaker 4: Listen, man, I told you man, the loser always walks
Speaker 4: away from the battle being looked a little looked at,
Speaker 4: a little bit different.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: It doesn't matter even if even if it's just because
Speaker 4: you know what, the different because you ain't show up
Speaker 4: to the battle. You know what I'm saying, Like that,
Speaker 4: it's gonna happen though.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, shout out to Avenge man,
Speaker 1: like it's hard because we're not supposed to be trusting
Speaker 1: UMG Glasses.
Speaker 2: That's not hip hop.
Speaker 3: We're not.
Speaker 1: If he was, if he was suing UMG because they
Speaker 1: did something, if he said, hey, you guys didn't.
Speaker 2: Promote my record, I wouldn't have nothing to say.
Speaker 1: I'd be like, that's a bit weird for this time
Speaker 1: and space to say all of a sudden, they not
Speaker 1: prom on your record. But I wouldn't have any cultural
Speaker 1: take about it. It'll be more like, well, that's what
Speaker 1: you want to do with his business. But because that
Speaker 1: song is at the center of it, that's why it's
Speaker 1: not about UMG. It's about the song that UMG released,
Speaker 1: which still makes it inherently about dot.
Speaker 2: You like, you can't separate those two. He won't separate
Speaker 2: those two. He won't separate him. He not saying, hey, umg,
Speaker 2: you marketed music that defames me. He's saying, hey, this song, specifically,
Speaker 2: this song, specifically, you are defaming me in.
Speaker 1: So that's why it's a problem revenge. It's not about him,
Speaker 1: just swing MG. If he said, hey, you know what,
Speaker 1: I don't want to be with you guys, no more.
Speaker 2: I had enough.
Speaker 1: I don't like how you've been marketing my records. Cool man,
Speaker 1: I'll be out of his business. I'll be like whatever, man,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't even care that man. That's him and his
Speaker 1: people if he don't like what.
Speaker 2: They did for him. You can't say that, nah shout
Speaker 2: out to revenge. Nah. Thatd just happens to be the
Speaker 2: sore um gus and it's the best sort out there.
Speaker 4: No no.
Speaker 2: No no no no no no no no no no
Speaker 2: no no stop would John say no no no no
Speaker 2: no no no no no stop stop shop stop stop
Speaker 2: stop stop stop No. It's the song. It's the song.
Speaker 2: You can't deny. You can't say they use that song
Speaker 2: as a sword, because it's a sword that was supposed
Speaker 2: to be a sword.
Speaker 1: You came bad that they marketed a song where you're
Speaker 1: in a battle with somebody they are signed to the
Speaker 1: same neighbor. If you was worried about them marketing a
Speaker 1: song insulting you, why the hell would you battle somebody
Speaker 1: under UMG? You you know how to anybody? How good
Speaker 1: they are at marketing a song? Should they marketing all
Speaker 1: your songs? So why the fuck would you? Why the
Speaker 1: fuck would you think that they can't market songs? Lord
Speaker 1: knows a good song. So again, if it if it
Speaker 1: was UMG, bro, if it was in U, if it
Speaker 1: was UMG. You know what I'm saying. He was showing
Speaker 1: UMG about how they market his record, I wouldn't even
Speaker 1: have much to say. I think it would be weird
Speaker 1: that he was doing it right now after the battle,
Speaker 1: But at least I really wouldn't have no say because
Speaker 1: he's mentioning this song.
Speaker 2: Like this is another weird thing. This is another weird thing.
Speaker 2: This is the weirdest thing. As for how Not Like
Speaker 2: Us put Drake in danger? Listen, listen, listen, listen, ask
Speaker 2: for how not Like Us put.
Speaker 1: Drake in danger? So he's saying this one song put
Speaker 1: him in danger. He points out that since Kendrick dropped
Speaker 1: the Megga hit, there have been multiple shootings at his
Speaker 1: or near his Toronto mansion, one which ended with one
Speaker 1: of his security guards getting shot. Revens, come on, man,
Speaker 1: this is crazy.
Speaker 2: This is crazy. This is crazy. You gotta at least
Speaker 2: be like, oh, that's crazy, not like us put him
Speaker 2: in danger. Geez, that's for sure. I've never heard a
Speaker 2: dish record put another rapper.
Speaker 4: In danger.
Speaker 3: Shout out to Richard K.
Speaker 2: Thomas.
Speaker 1: Wasn't the Able shooting June fifth and Drake shooting July fifth?
Speaker 1: We're not gonna talk about that that we're be incriminated.
Speaker 2: We know why.
Speaker 1: Everybody coachurally knows why the shooting happened. We know what's
Speaker 1: going on in that shooting.
Speaker 2: The court don't.
Speaker 1: It's not our business to talk about it. But it
Speaker 1: ain't no coincidence. It has nothing to do with the song.
Speaker 1: We all know what happened. But yo, since he want
Speaker 1: to play like that, Yo whatever. Shout out to Mumu.
Speaker 1: I don't think people take enough account into the fact
Speaker 1: that Kendrick is a better musician songmaker than Drake.
Speaker 2: I'm not sure that's true. I don't know if that's true.
Speaker 1: I think Drake is as great of a record maker
Speaker 1: as anybody in the history of hip hop could be.
Speaker 2: I think Drake is really a fantastic record maker. I
Speaker 2: can't stress appreciate that. You appreciate that too, for he
Speaker 2: is especially me because I had to really learn how
Speaker 2: to make records. Shout out to Dot, who kind of
Speaker 2: was early on making records. I wasn't early on making records.
Speaker 2: I was just too busy out here fucking up.
Speaker 1: While DoD was talking about Gloria and shit, fucking with Gloria,
Speaker 1: I was fucking with Sherman.
Speaker 2: He wrote that song about.
Speaker 1: Gloria his pen growing up, and that I would have
Speaker 1: to make minds about that bottle they used to hold
Speaker 1: that Sherman, that PCP and new So he was way
Speaker 1: ahead of me. Even Dot was way ahead of me
Speaker 1: when it come to making records. He understood what records
Speaker 1: were way before I did, and he got way better
Speaker 1: at it to He's like God, right now, just hit
Speaker 1: his peak. People don't believe this, but this is his peak. Now,
Speaker 1: this is his peak. That shit he was doing before
Speaker 1: is not his peak. He's spent his whole life to
Speaker 1: make those out as a record maker.
Speaker 2: This is his peak. He's gonna have four songs on here,
Speaker 2: four songs.
Speaker 1: On this projects that are top ten songs on Billboard
Speaker 1: High one hundred, Like they're gonna keep circling back, like
Speaker 1: they just getting work to radio now, like they streamed
Speaker 1: top ten.
Speaker 2: This four or five has streamed top ten. When they
Speaker 2: get to work at the radio and they hit mainstream,
Speaker 2: people don't realize his music has.
Speaker 1: To hit mainstream, Like there's a group of people that's
Speaker 1: aware of it in mainstream that just follow streaming. But
Speaker 1: when them songs get to plan on radio, like how
Speaker 1: they playing now, and they picking up on radio and
Speaker 1: they go back to being in at top ten, number
Speaker 1: one and two and three and five, and then he
Speaker 1: do the super Bowl, this record is really gonna take off.
Speaker 1: And it's because the records are amazing. This is the
Speaker 1: pinnacle of him as a record maker. This is him
Speaker 1: at his peak as a record maker, and.
Speaker 2: He needs huh.
Speaker 3: I think he I think he kind of reached that
Speaker 3: that that level with damn though man was I think is.
Speaker 1: When he first realized how to make records and keep
Speaker 1: the message, I mean, how to how to get the
Speaker 1: music to do the same thing the lyrics were because
Speaker 1: I feel like on g I think I've talked about
Speaker 1: this on Good Kid and to Pemple Butterfly.
Speaker 2: It's way too much theme and not enough great records.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm. Ton of thing, ton of thing done with dialogue,
Speaker 2: A ton of thing done with dialogue. He did a
Speaker 2: better job with to Pepper.
Speaker 1: Butterfly, but then again, the records aren't as good as
Speaker 1: Damn Damn is to me when he started like getting
Speaker 1: the understanding of like, oh, this is how you make
Speaker 1: records and still be able to keep his message alive.
Speaker 1: Right you could take you know, somebody like Mike Will
Speaker 1: and make humble like that's special, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: to pass a dop message.
Speaker 2: On a record, on big record number one record.
Speaker 1: But this right here, when I listen to it, every
Speaker 1: hook is in place, every hook is in place, every
Speaker 1: bridge is in place, music is in place everything, and
Speaker 1: it's just jamming and it's culturally revealed.
Speaker 3: Definitely, Definitely.
Speaker 4: I mean I can see that because the because the
Speaker 4: dude to prodlue slider ship though too. You know what
Speaker 4: I'm saying, I think.
Speaker 2: It's funny is what's funny is I think Jack, so somebody.
Speaker 1: So when I looked at the number of producers, there's
Speaker 1: somebody who's producing. Somebody's playing the bass, because I could
Speaker 1: tell how the bass is. That's a really special base.
Speaker 1: You know, the sounds that they're using, how they tune
Speaker 1: that stuff on the base. Shout out to revenge, how
Speaker 1: how the endgame might be the Super Bowl. And that's
Speaker 1: it if he's just being petty. But it don't make
Speaker 1: Drake really self destructed on purpose. I tweeted the lyric
Speaker 1: that he said, shout out to Domie Kel. I took
Speaker 1: it from Kelvin. I tagged him in the page because
Speaker 1: I thought it was funny. But he said that he
Speaker 1: said that in the lyric and the song do not disturb.
Speaker 1: He said, I'd probably self destruct if I ever lose,
Speaker 1: but I never do.
Speaker 3: Mm hmm.
Speaker 1: He said that, so he probably is self destructing. I
Speaker 1: always thought shout out to mister w I always thought.
Speaker 3: He said that.
Speaker 1: I don't think he underestimated God as much as he
Speaker 1: overestimated himself. You know what I'm saying. I think he's
Speaker 1: more than capable of understanding what DOC can do. But
Speaker 1: I think there I think there was confusion on his
Speaker 1: behalf about the brand of who Kendrick really is versus
Speaker 1: the brand that Kendrick is presenting and how much allows
Speaker 1: him to be everything he wants to be at any time.
Speaker 1: I think he thought he had him in a corner
Speaker 1: where he had to be this person that was rapping
Speaker 1: about revolutionary raps, when his audience they know more than
Speaker 1: him than that.
Speaker 2: They don't think what you know.
Speaker 1: They don't think the surface level of his brand that
Speaker 1: you think, so they can accept him making a party
Speaker 1: song like not like Us, Like every real Kendrick fan
Speaker 1: is going to like not Like Us because they understand
Speaker 1: that that's in his wheelhouse now. His first level branding
Speaker 1: makes him like he's you know, what's the Lady had.
Speaker 2: The Underground Railroad Harry Tullman.
Speaker 1: His branding comes across like Harriet Tubman. But the marketing
Speaker 1: of who he is to his audience, they understand he's
Speaker 1: a much more well rounded person.
Speaker 2: From Compton. Shout out to mister W. Glasses. I disagree
Speaker 2: with you because you can't fake real talent.
Speaker 1: Drake can't touch on subjects that Doc can and the
Speaker 1: way he delivers it, that's because their experiences are two
Speaker 1: different things.
Speaker 3: He's paying a different picture picture.
Speaker 2: That's all that is nice, bro Uh, I mean even
Speaker 2: Drake is nice. Drake is a really great record maker.
Speaker 1: Like I'm telling you, trust me, Like I've been in
Speaker 1: this business long enough and I know how tough it
Speaker 1: is to make records.
Speaker 2: He is very he's a great, fantastic and he's a
Speaker 2: he's a more.
Speaker 1: Shy that when you water him down, you walk down
Speaker 1: the victory. Yeah, when you water when you water Drake down,
Speaker 1: you water down the victory. And why it was so impressive,
Speaker 1: so you shouldn't do that. Like he is that great
Speaker 1: as an MC, he is that great as a record maker.
Speaker 1: That's why this win is so monumental. It really showed
Speaker 1: you how great that was as a record maker. Look,
Speaker 1: he delivered on two number one records in the same battle.
Speaker 1: That has never been done. So I think everybody realized
Speaker 1: how And then he really doubled down on it with
Speaker 1: GNX to show you how special of a record maker
Speaker 1: he was.
Speaker 2: You know what's so crazy about the dash?
Speaker 4: I just realized this now, all he did all this
Speaker 4: ship and I even mentioned him having ghostwriters. Yeah, he
Speaker 4: didn't mentioned ghost writers at all.
Speaker 1: No song he only mentioned he said, you said twenty
Speaker 1: V one is one v twenty If I gotta, if
Speaker 1: I gotta smoke niggas at right with you?
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's it only time. Shout out to oldest. Thank
Speaker 2: you for the ten dollars.
Speaker 1: My only question is if Drake was so sensitive, why
Speaker 1: would he get on the song or tell doctor talk
Speaker 1: about him liking young girls and.
Speaker 2: See about it. This case has no legs. Thank you
Speaker 2: for the first time at the lunch table. But you
Speaker 2: already hit hall of fame with that information that you
Speaker 2: wanted him to say about that. I thought you gave
Speaker 2: him the information. Shout out to kill that one. By
Speaker 2: the way, I don't quite know, but man, thank you.
Speaker 2: I enjoyed being authentic and I try to be as
Speaker 2: honest as I can with y'all. But we finna get
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