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Speaker 1: Hello everyone, Welcome back to another episode of the Action

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Speaker 1: Network Anifle Podcast. I am Matthew Friedman, the editor in

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Speaker 1: chief of Fantasy Labs. Super Bowl fifty three is.

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Speaker 2: In the books.

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Speaker 1: It was a defensive battle with the Patriots triumphing over

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Speaker 1: the Rams thirteen to three. Here with me to look

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Speaker 1: back at the big game, and more importantly, to help

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Speaker 1: me fill some airtime so we can talk about our sponsors.

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Speaker 1: We have Sean Corner and Chris Raybond. Sean is the

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Speaker 1: Action Network director of Predictive Analytics and one of the

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Speaker 1: top end season Fantasy pros rankers for the past half decade.

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Speaker 1: And Chris is a senior editor and analyst of the

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Speaker 1: Action Network and a co host of All Take That

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Speaker 1: Bets on ESPN Plus. You can follow them in the

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Speaker 1: Action Network app at the Underscore. Odds Maker and Chris

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Speaker 1: Raybond use the app, of course to get real time

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Speaker 1: NFL odds and track your bets. Gentlemen, if my audio

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Speaker 1: quality is not quite as good as it usually is,

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Speaker 1: it's because I'm visiting my parents in Texas, where I

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Speaker 1: mom wanted to watch the super Bowl with me. So

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Speaker 1: that's what happened. I watched the Super Bowl with my mom.

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Speaker 1: She's just sitting there screaming at the television while I'm

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Speaker 1: the computer, trying to pretends if I don't have way

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl watching experience, Sean, how was yours?

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Speaker 2: It was excellent.

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Speaker 3: If you read my player pop article, those plays went

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Speaker 3: six and two. I also have been doing a yardage

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Speaker 3: I had way more action out than my article, and

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Speaker 3: I think I hit like I think it was like

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Chris, what about you? Were you watching it in

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Speaker 4: I was if you if you happen to tune into

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Speaker 4: the Action Network live stream, you probably saw me down

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Speaker 4: a few coronas there showing with Chad Neilman, black Jack,

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Speaker 1: Yes, honestly, I was thinking about we should like save

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Speaker 1: we're going to discuss the first round of our two

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a great point, because I should have mentioned

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Speaker 3: So right off the bat, I had that Chris Hogan

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Speaker 2: Let me retract that real quick.

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Speaker 1: Let's kind of think about the big picture things. What

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Speaker 4: you know, obviously he wasn't going until usually the double

440
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Speaker 4: digit rounds and a lot of drafts, so he was

441
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Speaker 4: pretty much my like auto play quarterback in a lot

442
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Speaker 4: of weaks, and that obviously helped out a ton some

443
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Speaker 4: other ones I got right, Chris Carson.

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Speaker 2: I was higher on him than consensus, and lower on

445
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Speaker 2: Rashad Penny.

446
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Speaker 4: That ended up working out well, a little higher on

447
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Speaker 4: Matt Brida, a lot lower on Ronald Jones. I think

448
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Speaker 4: I had him at fifty ninth in PPR, so that

449
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Speaker 4: worked out a little bit lower on Dalvin Cook that

450
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Speaker 4: ended up working out same for Doug Baldwin, a little

451
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Speaker 4: bit higher on Tyreek Hill ended up finishing as the

452
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Speaker 4: number two, and same thing for Jujus Smith. Schuster like

453
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Speaker 4: five spots higher than consensus on him and he ended

454
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Speaker 4: up finishing as the PPR wide receiver. But overall, I

455
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Speaker 4: would say Patrick Mahomes by far was the key play.

456
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Speaker 1: For me, Sean, what about you?

457
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Speaker 2: For me?

458
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Speaker 3: I would say the number one thing I got right

459
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Speaker 3: was when I was advocating to not draft a kicker

460
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Speaker 3: defense and use those two slots to add running backs

461
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Speaker 3: like James Connor and Chris Ivory because you never know,

462
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Speaker 3: and you know we had we made forget now, but

463
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Speaker 3: Leshauan McCoy was dealing with some legal trouble, so you know,

464
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Speaker 3: just hanging on to a guy like Chris Ivory, you

465
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Speaker 3: know it's worth it, and then if if the situation

466
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Speaker 3: clears up, you drop him right before the season starts

467
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Speaker 3: when you pick up your kicker. But James Connor definitely

468
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Speaker 3: worked out, and you know, I think that all all

469
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Speaker 3: the leagues where I didn't have to draft a kick

470
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Speaker 3: or defense, I had him. So that helped out tremendously.

471
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Speaker 3: And the other thing I got was, you know this

472
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Speaker 3: frozen pond Terry always talked about.

473
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Speaker 1: I knew you were going to come back to that, guys.

474
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Speaker 3: Like Alex Collins and Kenyon Drake. I mean, it just

475
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Speaker 3: goes to show that when it gets to the point

476
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Speaker 3: in the draft where guys are ranked where they should be,

477
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Speaker 3: but there's situations, you know, a little murky. They don't

478
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Speaker 3: have the job security, or we at least don't know

479
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Speaker 3: if they have job security. It's just so risky taking

480
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Speaker 3: guys that early in the draft. So I feel like

481
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Speaker 3: I got that right. And the only other thing I

482
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Speaker 3: could think of off the top of my head was

483
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Speaker 3: advocating to kind of let people take Gronk first. I

484
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Speaker 3: guess I got that wrong because I still a ranked

485
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Speaker 3: number one tight end. I forgot about that, but kind

486
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Speaker 3: of let people take Gronk, set the market for tight end,

487
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Speaker 3: and then scoop up kelseior Ertz, you know, in rounds

488
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Speaker 3: three or four, And that panned out tremendously as well.

489
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Speaker 3: So I think those three things I would say I

490
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Speaker 3: got read the most.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I think Andrew Luck I was pretty bullish on

492
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Speaker 1: him early on. I think kind of being ahead of

493
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Speaker 1: the market there was one of the big things that

494
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Speaker 1: I got right. And then kind of correlated with that,

495
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Speaker 1: some of the players on his team t Y Hilton

496
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Speaker 1: had a good bounce back year. Eric Ebron also, although

497
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Speaker 1: it was a touchdown infused year, I think I was

498
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Speaker 1: relatively high on him relative to the market, and it

499
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Speaker 1: really had not so much to do with his talent,

500
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Speaker 1: although that, you know, kind of was there, but really

501
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Speaker 1: just the opportunity that he would have because there was

502
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Speaker 1: no one else on that team except for t Y

503
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Speaker 1: Hilton and Jack Doyle, and then with Doyle's injury, a

504
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Speaker 1: lot of opportunity for Ebron to get further targets. So

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Speaker 1: that's one of the things I got right getting wrong. Man,

506
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Speaker 1: I was and I think this is something just kind

507
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Speaker 1: of across the industry. I didn't take seriously enough the

508
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Speaker 1: possibility of Leveon Bell turning his situation into an actual situation,

509
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Speaker 1: you know, like I just thought it would be something

510
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Speaker 1: similar to what we saw last year. He would show

511
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Speaker 1: up in Week one and play, or you know, maybe

512
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Speaker 1: he would sit out week one just to kind of

513
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Speaker 1: punish the team a little bit. But I think I

514
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Speaker 1: should have been more aggressive in moving him down. I

515
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Speaker 1: believe I did move him down to four, you know,

516
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Speaker 1: like out of the top four. I think that's fine,

517
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Speaker 1: but I should have I think probably been a little

518
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Speaker 1: more aggressive in moving him down, but it's hard to know.

519
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Speaker 1: And so I would kind of like your guys thoughts

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Speaker 1: on this because the the Leveon Bell James Connor situation.

521
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Speaker 1: I think it's one of the defining things of this

522
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Speaker 1: season from a fantasy perspective. Should we have done more

523
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Speaker 1: with Leveon Bell in terms of moving him down and

524
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Speaker 1: moving James Connor up?

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Speaker 4: I would say probably yes, because I remember we you know,

526
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Speaker 4: we had a lot of interesting conversations about some of

527
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Speaker 4: those other guys that we're also potentially going to miss time,

528
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Speaker 4: you know, Josh Gordon, Alshon, Jeffrey mark Ingram. So you know,

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Speaker 4: I think there there's probably you have to factor in.

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Speaker 4: I guess, how many games could this guy realistically miss?

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Speaker 4: Like what are the potential outcomes there, especially when you're

532
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Speaker 4: at such a high leverage pick, like I think, you know,

533
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Speaker 4: as you go down the draft board, you could take

534
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Speaker 4: a lot more risks, you know, as the draft gets

535
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Speaker 4: later on, because if you look at the numbers as

536
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Speaker 4: far as you know, how many picks end up being,

537
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Speaker 4: you know, a top twelve guy after the sixth round

538
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Speaker 4: or whatever, it tends to be very low. So you

539
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Speaker 4: have a lot more kind of wee way to take risks.

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Speaker 4: But when you're talking about your first overall pick, I

541
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Speaker 4: think you want it to be as safe as possible,

542
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Speaker 4: and Le'Veon Bell was anything.

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Speaker 1: But Yeah, Sean, what do you think about the Letboon

544
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Speaker 1: Bell situation? Should we have done something differently or like,

545
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Speaker 1: how would you use the knowledge now of what happened

546
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Speaker 1: with Lemon Bell this year to inform any decisions we

547
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Speaker 1: make in the future When it comes to players who

548
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Speaker 1: are in similar situations.

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Speaker 3: I would say this particular situation Heinsight's twenty twenty. I

550
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Speaker 3: wouldn't beat yourself up too much for taking him early.

551
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Speaker 3: But you know, like Raybon mentioned, you do want your

552
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Speaker 3: first pick to be pretty safe, so you know, going

553
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Speaker 3: for any guy that's potentially a holdout, we have to

554
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Speaker 3: take that seriously. And I think more on the flip

555
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Speaker 3: side when I comes to Connor, like I mentioned earlier,

556
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Speaker 3: it's it's about finding those guys that could take advantage

557
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Speaker 3: of these types of situations on you know, getting them

558
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Speaker 3: super cheap. I think that's the best way to approaches

559
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Speaker 3: then trying to avoid these types of situations, because you know,

560
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Speaker 3: every draft, all of our first ree picks were taking

561
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Speaker 3: a chance somewhat because if these guys get hurt week one,

562
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Speaker 3: you know, it kind of screws our chances. So I

563
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Speaker 3: wouldn't want to be too risk adverse in the beginning,

564
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Speaker 3: and more focus on the guys that the later in

565
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Speaker 3: the draft that you can kind of attack to take

566
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Speaker 3: advantage of these types of situations.

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Speaker 1: All right, Chris, I want your thoughts on something that

568
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Speaker 1: didn't work out for you, But you don't think it

569
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Speaker 1: was necessarily a mistake because you still think that the

570
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Speaker 1: process was something that was sound.

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Speaker 4: Sure, you know, I think you know, I had Dion

572
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Speaker 4: Lewis number twenty, so that was a little hot. I

573
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Speaker 4: think you guys had him at twenty four. So I

574
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Speaker 4: was pretty high on him, and you know, for the

575
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Speaker 4: first I think, you know, he did get his chances

576
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Speaker 4: for the for most of the season, and you know,

577
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Speaker 4: just for whatever reason, it just didn't really work out

578
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Speaker 4: for him. You know, he was even you know, stealing

579
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Speaker 4: some goal line carried from Derreck Henry.

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Speaker 2: At one point.

581
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Speaker 4: You know, he was up to eighty percent of the

582
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Speaker 4: snacks or so, but it just didn't really work out.

583
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Speaker 4: But you always looking for the volume and then then

584
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Speaker 4: kind of Henry took over and you know, down a

585
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Speaker 4: stretch and now I think this is Henry's backfield.

586
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Speaker 2: I don't think you want to even mess around with

587
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Speaker 2: the multi back set.

588
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Speaker 4: But I did think that, you know, going into the season,

589
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Speaker 4: they were going to give Lewis, you know, that volume

590
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Speaker 4: and every chance to kind of be that week guy, Sean,

591
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Speaker 4: what about you?

592
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Speaker 2: Things I got wrong?

593
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Speaker 3: I wanted to point out if you didn't bring it up,

594
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Speaker 3: I was gonna say you nailed the Andrew Lute call

595
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Speaker 3: back in June. I think it was when he started

596
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Speaker 3: to buy in on him, and I definitely thought that

597
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Speaker 3: he was going to have some issues with his shoulder

598
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Speaker 3: due to personal experiences. But you know, as as we

599
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Speaker 3: saw him throw and you know, we were pretty convinced

600
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Speaker 3: that it was pretty healthy.

601
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Speaker 2: I changed my mind.

602
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Speaker 3: But definitely got that wrong considering put up you know

603
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Speaker 3: correctly MVP.

604
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Speaker 2: Numbers this year.

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Speaker 3: And the other thing I got wrong was sort of

606
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Speaker 3: in season when Amari Cooper got traded, I thought, what

607
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Speaker 3: is stock would take a hit. Usually guys that get

608
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Speaker 3: traded in season, people sort of overreact to that and

609
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Speaker 3: sort of you know, overweight them or think they're going

610
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Speaker 3: to do better in the new offense or something, and

611
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Speaker 3: I just thought that, you know, it might be until

612
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Speaker 3: next year that he would sort of fit in with

613
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Speaker 3: the offense. And I couldn't have been more wrong. So

614
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Speaker 3: I was a little late on the curve with Amari.

615
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Speaker 3: I think a guy like Golden Cap, that's typically what happens.

616
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Speaker 3: You see a guy sort of be the man the offense,

617
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Speaker 3: and then he's sort of like the third or fourth option.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if there's much to take away from that,

620
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Speaker 3: but I definitely got Amari Cooper wrong.

621
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Speaker 2: After we went to the Cowboys.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, so those were mistakes, but mistakes that you

623
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Speaker 1: think you didn't actually make a mistake, whereas just the

624
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Speaker 1: results differed from the process. What about those.

625
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Speaker 3: Yeah, so two running backs that I was targeting that

626
00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:49,840
Speaker 3: should have been right, they kind of worked out, but

627
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Speaker 3: they didn't. At the same time, where Tevin Coleman and

628
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Speaker 3: Derrick Henry, I was saying, you can get these guys

629
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Speaker 3: pretty cheap, and a guy like Tevin Coleman, he pretty

630
00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:00,240
Speaker 3: much already has value. Where he was getting dropt I

631
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:02,320
Speaker 3: think it was like six or seventh round, and that

632
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Speaker 3: if Devonte Freeman gets hurt, you know, he's usually an

633
00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:08,480
Speaker 3: RB one and that's exactly what happened, but he didn't

634
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:11,960
Speaker 3: really put up the production recals sing when Devonte Freeman's out.

635
00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:14,359
Speaker 3: And then with Derrick Henry, it was so weird because

636
00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:16,359
Speaker 3: you know, at the beginning of the year it was

637
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Speaker 3: just you know, Dion Lewis's backfield and Derek Henry was

638
00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:21,400
Speaker 3: sort of just the guy that will get goal line

639
00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:23,840
Speaker 3: carry every once in a while, and then he did

640
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:25,040
Speaker 3: pan out in the.

641
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Speaker 2: Fancy playoffs, so.

642
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Speaker 3: You know, if you had him, you might not have

643
00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:33,000
Speaker 3: even made it that far to you know, get the

644
00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:35,360
Speaker 3: benefit of Henry just exploding at the end of the year.

645
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:39,320
Speaker 3: So that was kind of a scenario where my process worked.

646
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:42,160
Speaker 3: It was just the results were, you know, not what

647
00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:44,200
Speaker 3: they should have been. And the other one would have

648
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:47,800
Speaker 3: been the Buccaneers quarterback situation. You know, I had a

649
00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:52,320
Speaker 3: lot of Jameis Winston and Fitzpatrick the combo on some

650
00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:54,800
Speaker 3: of my teams, and that was a nightmare trying to

651
00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:57,680
Speaker 3: figure out week the week which guy to to play.

652
00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:01,040
Speaker 3: They frequently got benched in game, but they both combined

653
00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:04,800
Speaker 3: for the QB two overall. Yeah, so it was it

654
00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:07,560
Speaker 3: was like I got that situation right, but it resulted

655
00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:09,840
Speaker 3: in losses in this one team that I invested in,

656
00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:13,080
Speaker 3: the Buccaneers, QB, just whoever it was. So that was

657
00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:15,000
Speaker 3: the situation I think I got right, but it didn't

658
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Speaker 1: Yeah, So thinking about Coleman and Derrick Henry, I think

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Speaker 1: like top twenty. It just it didn't work out for

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Speaker 1: worked out for like a seemingly huge number of guys

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Speaker 1: worked out for like multiple forty nine ers running backs.

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Speaker 1: It just, you know, it seemingly worked out, like like

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Speaker 1: name running backs who are out there just putting up

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Speaker 1: get the right running backs. It didn't work out. I

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Speaker 1: your perspectives on this. For me, it was triumphing over

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Speaker 1: Chris Raybond when I told him that the Colts in

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Speaker 1: not once but twice. So anyway, that was that was

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Speaker 1: a nice personal moment for me. But Chris, what was

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Speaker 1: your favorite sports betting moment of twenty eighteen.

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Speaker 4: I would have to say one of the times when

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Speaker 4: I picked the forty nine ers and you tell me

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Speaker 4: I was crazy and they I think it was.

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Speaker 2: At Bucks, and you know, because it was just the

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Speaker 2: every week thing.

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Speaker 4: We were just going back and forth on the Niners,

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Speaker 4: and you know, I was already pretty upset about the

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Speaker 4: whole you know, Jimmy g going down early because I

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Speaker 2: Some money on him and on the forty nine Ers

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Speaker 2: to go pretty far.

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Speaker 4: But you know, wait in the season with Nick Moens,

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Speaker 4: they kind of came back around a little bit and

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Speaker 4: put up some good games. So happy to take that

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Speaker 4: to you, just like you're happy to take the Texas

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Speaker 4: to me.

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Speaker 2: Man, they did.

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Speaker 4: I'm still waiting for them to show up in the

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Speaker 4: playoffs because they did not.

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Speaker 2: They did not show up for them.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it was multiple weeks in a row.

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Speaker 1: You got me with the forty nine ers. It was

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Speaker 1: it was just embarrassing, Sean, what about you?

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Speaker 3: I would say my best sports betting moment was a

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Speaker 3: divisional round. Like I mentioned earlier, I was I was

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Speaker 3: doing those articles on who will get the most passing,

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Speaker 2: I talleted it up.

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Speaker 3: They went six and eight for plus twenty one point

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Speaker 3: seven units. But the best moment was the divisional round

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Speaker 3: when I had Edelman at twelve to one and Michael

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Speaker 3: Thomas at eight to one, and it was towards the

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Speaker 3: just like one more catch to win the market, and

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Speaker 3: that was to overtake Edelman. So it was basically, you know,

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Speaker 3: am I going to win the twelve to one bet

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Speaker 3: or the eight to one bet? So that that was

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Speaker 3: like fun to watch unfold. So I would say that

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Speaker 3: was my best moment because I did write that up

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Speaker 3: and I had a lot of people that were telling

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Speaker 3: that pick too, so that that always means a lot

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Speaker 2: So that that was my favorite moment.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And that was one that I jumped on too,

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Speaker 1: just in terms of betting and then also riding about

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Speaker 1: chances that Tyreek Hill or t Y Hilton would lead

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Speaker 1: that and that You're right, that was a fantastic moment

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Speaker 1: because that was I believe that was the last game

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Speaker 1: of the Divisional round two. To see him hit that,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and you said Hilton, Hilton and Tyreek, but Kelsey

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Speaker 1: I like to be pretty aggressive in ranking them up.

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Speaker 1: Those are the things I noticed with my rankings, Sean,

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Speaker 1: what did you notice with your rankings?

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Speaker 3: So I noticed that QB is extremely deep this year.

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Speaker 3: I mean I was having a hard time ranking guys

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Speaker 3: Like it's tough to rank Josh Allen outside the top

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Speaker 3: fifteen because he could make you know, a second year leap,

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Speaker 3: So it's just QB is so deep that if you

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Speaker 3: position altogether. And you know you were mentioning it earlier too.

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Speaker 3: Wide receiver, I think I'm gonna have a little more

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Speaker 3: top ten, it's almost identical. And running back in general,

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Speaker 3: just realize that running back position in general, I think

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Speaker 2: I was rolling out guys like C. J.

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Speaker 3: about it, But you just can't get that at wide receiver.

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Speaker 2: You don't.

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Speaker 2: Championship week for example.

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Speaker 3: So I just think wide receiver in general is stacked,

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Speaker 3: and I'm going to be a little bit higher on

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Speaker 1: All right, Rabon, what about you?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I kind of agree.

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Speaker 4: I think, you know, the wide receiver position there's a

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Speaker 4: are are pretty irreplaceable as well, because it's not like

875
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:18,400
Speaker 4: running BA where they're going to just you know, a

876
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:20,520
Speaker 4: guy's gonna come in and get a ton of volume.

877
00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:21,920
Speaker 2: So I think, you know, for me.

878
00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:26,799
Speaker 4: Another position that I think is top heavy is tight end,

879
00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:29,000
Speaker 4: and so it's kind of like last year, So I

880
00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:31,680
Speaker 4: think an ideal start for me is almost like if

881
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:34,640
Speaker 4: I can get a running back, a wide receiver, and

882
00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:35,279
Speaker 4: a tight end.

883
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:36,840
Speaker 2: You know, if I can get one of those Kelsey

884
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:38,040
Speaker 2: Earth or George.

885
00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:40,279
Speaker 4: Kittle types, you know, in the third round, I think

886
00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:42,759
Speaker 4: that's probably an ideal start for me in the draft

887
00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:44,799
Speaker 4: because then from there, you know, there's a lot of

888
00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:48,480
Speaker 4: receivers you can get in those middle rounds to kind

889
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:50,440
Speaker 4: of shore up your team and give you some flex

890
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:52,920
Speaker 4: options if you don't. Here kind of short on running backs,

891
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:55,840
Speaker 4: and then the quarterback, as Sean mentioned, incredibly deep. So

892
00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:58,600
Speaker 4: Mahomes is really the only guy, and Watson as well,

893
00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:00,880
Speaker 4: just because depending on what that the Texans do in

894
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:02,960
Speaker 4: the offseason. You know, Mahomes and Watson have been to

895
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:05,440
Speaker 4: two quarterbacks that have really shown to to have these

896
00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:08,200
Speaker 4: kind of outlier seasons, So you know, I don't mind

897
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:10,719
Speaker 4: taking them for the upside, but I'll almost certainly be

898
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:13,480
Speaker 4: waiting to the double ditch rounds to take quarterbacks. And

899
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:16,799
Speaker 4: you know, I think the important thing is trying to

900
00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:18,560
Speaker 4: be able to smarter about some of the running backs

901
00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:20,960
Speaker 4: in those middle rounds, as you mentioned Freedman, because it's

902
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:24,120
Speaker 4: another situation where I think it's it's a little top heavy,

903
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:26,200
Speaker 4: and you know, after you get out of that that

904
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:28,799
Speaker 4: middle of the second round, you're you're really kind of

905
00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:30,920
Speaker 4: taking some swings here that maybe you don't need to

906
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:33,400
Speaker 4: take when they're a lot of very solid wide receivers

907
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:34,640
Speaker 4: still going to be left on the board.

908
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:38,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would say it's a little less of a

909
00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:41,319
Speaker 1: frozen pond and more of a quagmire. But that's that's

910
00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:43,880
Speaker 1: just how I would I would look at it. I

911
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:48,360
Speaker 1: want your guys thoughts on ranking these fantasy players early

912
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:51,800
Speaker 1: in the off season versus ranking them after the draft,

913
00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:55,239
Speaker 1: versus ranking them in the preseason once we kind of

914
00:40:55,239 --> 00:40:59,200
Speaker 1: see how teams are starting to assemble their teams in

915
00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:02,640
Speaker 1: actually deepla ploy them in preseason games. It's just I

916
00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:05,839
Speaker 1: think it's it's a pretty different exercise and so I

917
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:08,360
Speaker 1: want your thoughts on that. For me, this was the

918
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:10,800
Speaker 1: first time I had had actually gone through the formal

919
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:15,320
Speaker 1: process of ranking players this early in the off season. Sean,

920
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:18,480
Speaker 1: what are your thoughts on kind of ranking these guys

921
00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:21,120
Speaker 1: at different points in the calendar year.

922
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:24,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, so this is the earliest I've ever ranked players

923
00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:27,200
Speaker 3: for the next season as well. Usually I wait till

924
00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:31,440
Speaker 3: after the draft to do a full projection set, and

925
00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:33,440
Speaker 3: that's usually how I come up with my ranking. So

926
00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:36,720
Speaker 3: this is an interesting exercise, but I think I do

927
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:39,960
Speaker 3: something similar after every season. It's good to kind of

928
00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:43,480
Speaker 3: take notes, well, the season is still fresh and sort.

929
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:44,920
Speaker 2: Of rank these guys. So it was it was a

930
00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:45,799
Speaker 2: lot easier.

931
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:47,520
Speaker 3: For me to kind of rank manually, which I never

932
00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:50,759
Speaker 3: do right after the season because you know, everything's at

933
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:53,080
Speaker 3: top of mind, and so I think it was a

934
00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:56,360
Speaker 3: good exercise to sort of get our thoughts before heading

935
00:41:56,360 --> 00:41:57,759
Speaker 3: into next year. I remember it was a couple of

936
00:41:57,840 --> 00:42:00,400
Speaker 3: years ago, just sort of making a mental note of

937
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:02,120
Speaker 3: how good David Johnson was and.

938
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:04,160
Speaker 2: Not let them slip out of my top three.

939
00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:07,080
Speaker 3: And then, you know, heading into the draft, I feel

940
00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:09,879
Speaker 3: like that the ADP slipped a little bit. So it's

941
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:12,560
Speaker 3: good to get while you're in your prime and while

942
00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:15,600
Speaker 3: you have all the information down, So I think this

943
00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:18,239
Speaker 3: is a good exercise for us, and you know, it's

944
00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:21,160
Speaker 3: not something that I may be updating every day, But once,

945
00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:23,799
Speaker 3: once I get the full projection set, that's when it's

946
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:26,319
Speaker 3: a little bit easier to update based on news. And then,

947
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:28,640
Speaker 3: like you said, when it comes to preseason, you know,

948
00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:32,640
Speaker 3: any little change or any different valuation. To have a

949
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:36,399
Speaker 3: guy during a preseason game position, batts and stuff, it's

950
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:38,279
Speaker 3: a lot easier for me to sort of use my

951
00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:40,680
Speaker 3: projections to kind of guide my rankings from there.

952
00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:43,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, Raymond, what do you what about you? And any

953
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:47,560
Speaker 1: thoughts on kind of ranking guys in terms of like

954
00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:50,160
Speaker 1: the guys who are we know are going to be

955
00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:52,200
Speaker 1: in the league but they're not on teams, so that

956
00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:54,759
Speaker 1: could be rookies, but then also some of these free agents,

957
00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:58,520
Speaker 1: you know, who might be transitioning to different situations. Any

958
00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:00,440
Speaker 1: thoughts on how to approach these guys.

959
00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:04,560
Speaker 4: So the way I'd rank for now is I'm essentially

960
00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:07,799
Speaker 4: ranking for you know, if you're drafting now, and so

961
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:10,600
Speaker 4: I do think that you have to be you do

962
00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:12,920
Speaker 4: it a little differently. And some of the guys, like

963
00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:15,919
Speaker 4: for example, a Leveon Bell, you know, I have him.

964
00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:18,080
Speaker 4: I have him down at eighteen, and you know that's

965
00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:20,480
Speaker 4: just because we don't know exactly what's going to happen.

966
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:21,680
Speaker 2: We don't know what team's going to be on.

967
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:24,680
Speaker 4: You know, I think there's a non zero chance that

968
00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:28,319
Speaker 4: maybe nobody gives him what he's looking for, and we

969
00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:31,680
Speaker 4: have another situation, you know, brewing here with him missing

970
00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:34,840
Speaker 4: you know, potentially missing games, and so his upside, you

971
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:37,239
Speaker 4: still have to kind of balance that out because you know,

972
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:40,440
Speaker 4: he could also be the overall fantasy player one, you know,

973
00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:43,319
Speaker 4: number one player in fantasy. So you know, I have

974
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:46,440
Speaker 4: him kind of right after David Johnson, you know, kind

975
00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:48,680
Speaker 4: of down there where I think you want to kind

976
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:52,319
Speaker 4: of gobble up all these these feature backs early if

977
00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:54,360
Speaker 4: you can, and also I think early on I do

978
00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:57,200
Speaker 4: rank running backs in general a little bit more aggressively,

979
00:43:57,280 --> 00:43:59,840
Speaker 4: running backs that that that we know are going to

980
00:43:59,880 --> 00:44:02,400
Speaker 4: be on a team and have a big role, because

981
00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:04,840
Speaker 4: I think right now, it's just it's just so difficult

982
00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:07,480
Speaker 4: with the draft still having not taken place, just to

983
00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:09,759
Speaker 4: kind of know exactly what the depth charts are going

984
00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:12,319
Speaker 4: to be. Whereas because every team is kind of using

985
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:15,279
Speaker 4: you know, two three receivers on a regular rations. For

986
00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:17,600
Speaker 4: these days in the NFL, you can kind of you

987
00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:19,520
Speaker 4: can kind of get some value out at the pass

988
00:44:19,520 --> 00:44:22,400
Speaker 4: catches now at this point of the offseason, Whereas I

989
00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:25,160
Speaker 4: think once we get everything kind of squared away with

990
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:27,440
Speaker 4: the draft, that's when I'll start, you know, moving up

991
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:29,680
Speaker 4: some pass catchers. I'll kind of move down some running

992
00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:31,800
Speaker 4: backs that I think are probably part of the frozen

993
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:35,160
Speaker 4: pond or quagmire tier or whatever we're talking about. But

994
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:37,600
Speaker 4: for right now, I'm a little more aggressive on running backs,

995
00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:38,960
Speaker 4: and I tend to be a little more aggressive on

996
00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:40,720
Speaker 4: taking studs players in general.

997
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:42,960
Speaker 2: I'm going to be I have my homes up at twenty.

998
00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:44,719
Speaker 4: Four right now because I think, you know, he just

999
00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:48,440
Speaker 4: has the potential to outscore every other quarterback by you know,

1000
00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:50,160
Speaker 4: four points per game or something like that. And I

1001
00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:52,840
Speaker 4: think right now that's still valuable because there's not as

1002
00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:54,960
Speaker 4: much certainty, and so you know, when you have a

1003
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:57,520
Speaker 4: guy that's capable of doing something like that, I think

1004
00:44:57,520 --> 00:44:59,520
Speaker 4: you take it. But as the season draws near, I'll

1005
00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:03,920
Speaker 4: definitely kind bump down the stud quarterbacks and just kind

1006
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:06,319
Speaker 4: of be focused more on the flex positions running back

1007
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:06,760
Speaker 4: and receiver.

1008
00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:10,960
Speaker 1: All right, let's look at our top twelve players, the

1009
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:14,080
Speaker 1: guys in our first round right now, and at the top,

1010
00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:18,640
Speaker 1: we all unanimously ranked Saquon Barkley number one. I would

1011
00:45:18,680 --> 00:45:21,399
Speaker 1: like to get your thoughts, actually, let me make sure yes,

1012
00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:23,800
Speaker 1: all of us number one, Sequon Barkley. I'd like to

1013
00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:27,440
Speaker 1: get your thoughts on comparing Saquon Barkley to some of

1014
00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:30,080
Speaker 1: the other guys who could have been in the running

1015
00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:32,400
Speaker 1: for number one, because I think there's, you know, a

1016
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:35,600
Speaker 1: legitimate argument to be made at least that Grilly could

1017
00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:37,600
Speaker 1: have been number one. He was, you know, the consensus

1018
00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:40,640
Speaker 1: number one in our rankings for twenty eighteen. You know

1019
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:43,440
Speaker 1: Zeke potentially could have been number one, and then you

1020
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:46,239
Speaker 1: know Christian McCaffrey and Alvin Kamara. I could see how

1021
00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:48,839
Speaker 1: some people would maybe have them ranked number one. Sean,

1022
00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:52,720
Speaker 1: let's start with you, saque versus those four other guys,

1023
00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:55,440
Speaker 1: and how you kind of sorted through them when you

1024
00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:56,319
Speaker 1: were ranking.

1025
00:45:56,600 --> 00:45:59,440
Speaker 2: They're also good. It's almost process of elimination.

1026
00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:03,000
Speaker 3: I think, you know, Gurley's end to the season, especially

1027
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:05,560
Speaker 3: in the playoffs, are going to hurt his stock, So

1028
00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:09,560
Speaker 3: I think there's gonna be a considerable gap between Berkeley

1029
00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:14,480
Speaker 3: even Gurley I don't know Barkley just he even exceeded

1030
00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:18,319
Speaker 3: our lofty expectations his rookie season. So for someone that

1031
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:21,600
Speaker 3: electric to get a massive workload, and there's no doubt

1032
00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:24,120
Speaker 3: in his workload, I don't think there's gonna be any

1033
00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:27,759
Speaker 3: sort of sophomore slump. He's entering his prime. I just

1034
00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:30,360
Speaker 3: can't think of a reason why I wouldn't have Barkley

1035
00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:33,000
Speaker 3: number one. But like you mentioned, all those guys behind

1036
00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:35,640
Speaker 3: him are worthy of the pick, So I'm you know,

1037
00:46:35,680 --> 00:46:39,000
Speaker 3: I'm looking ahead that you know, having like the fourth

1038
00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:41,920
Speaker 3: or fifth pick is probably gonna be pretty valuable this year,

1039
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:44,200
Speaker 3: just because they're so good and we can get to

1040
00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:47,240
Speaker 3: them later. But I don't think it's as slam dunk

1041
00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:49,400
Speaker 3: that you know Gurley was going into this season. I

1042
00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:52,400
Speaker 3: had Gurley way ahead of everybody else, especially when Le'Veon

1043
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:56,000
Speaker 3: Bell had the holdout concerns. But you know, I think

1044
00:46:56,080 --> 00:46:58,520
Speaker 3: as the off season goes, I think Barkley's gonna be

1045
00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:01,400
Speaker 3: just unanimous number one overall by most experts.

1046
00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:04,000
Speaker 1: Rabon, What about you, how did you kind of sort

1047
00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:05,840
Speaker 1: through Barkley and then the rest of those guys in

1048
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:06,439
Speaker 1: the top five.

1049
00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:09,680
Speaker 4: Well, the thing I really admire about Barkley and the

1050
00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:12,360
Speaker 4: reason I have him number one is because of what

1051
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:14,200
Speaker 4: he did on an offense.

1052
00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:15,399
Speaker 2: That wasn't very good.

1053
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:19,080
Speaker 4: The Giants finished number twenty nine in the league in

1054
00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:22,600
Speaker 4: adjusted line yards from Football Outsiders at just three point

1055
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:27,000
Speaker 4: nine per rush, and yet the Giants finished number one

1056
00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:29,640
Speaker 4: in open field yards, which is you know, it just

1057
00:47:29,719 --> 00:47:32,160
Speaker 4: kind of shows it's all Saquon really doing his thing

1058
00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:35,160
Speaker 4: and the pass catching I think was just superb, and yeah,

1059
00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:37,160
Speaker 4: Sean hit on it. You know, Todd Gurley that ends

1060
00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:39,919
Speaker 4: to the season kind of combined with what we've seen.

1061
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:42,359
Speaker 4: You know, Gurley is the guy who throughout his career

1062
00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:44,759
Speaker 4: he's had these really high highs, but he's also had

1063
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:47,799
Speaker 4: these weird lows, right, So you know the one year

1064
00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:50,480
Speaker 4: with the last year Jeff Fisher, he actually averaged three

1065
00:47:50,520 --> 00:47:53,480
Speaker 4: point two yards per Carrie really couldn't get going all season,

1066
00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:54,640
Speaker 4: and people were really low on.

1067
00:47:54,719 --> 00:47:55,160
Speaker 2: Him as well.

1068
00:47:55,239 --> 00:47:57,120
Speaker 4: So, you know, this is a guy who we always

1069
00:47:57,160 --> 00:47:59,359
Speaker 4: know he has the upside, but the fact that Sean

1070
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:03,080
Speaker 4: McVay was willing to continuously kind of use him as

1071
00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:05,800
Speaker 4: essentially a fifty to fifty guy, you know, in a

1072
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:07,320
Speaker 4: time share near the end of the season in the

1073
00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:10,440
Speaker 4: most important games. I think that's just you know, kind

1074
00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:12,480
Speaker 4: of again, you're just trying to be as safe as

1075
00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:15,640
Speaker 4: possible with these picks, and so, you know, I think

1076
00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:18,320
Speaker 4: Barkley and then McCaffrey as well. You know, he was

1077
00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:20,520
Speaker 4: a guy that was playing pretty much every snap. I

1078
00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:22,520
Speaker 4: think he went through a period of like eight weeks

1079
00:48:22,520 --> 00:48:24,200
Speaker 4: in the season where I don't know if he missed

1080
00:48:24,239 --> 00:48:25,840
Speaker 4: the miss five snaps.

1081
00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:27,520
Speaker 2: So I love that for him.

1082
00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:29,520
Speaker 4: And Zeke is kind of in that same boat where

1083
00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:32,719
Speaker 4: he's going to be out there every play almost and

1084
00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:34,840
Speaker 4: the fact that Zeke kind of ramped it up in

1085
00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:37,800
Speaker 4: his receiving usage and now that Amari Cooper's here and

1086
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:40,080
Speaker 4: kind of taking a little pressure off that offense. And

1087
00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:42,680
Speaker 4: Dak Prescott, I think, I think those three guys are

1088
00:48:43,200 --> 00:48:44,240
Speaker 4: are a little.

1089
00:48:44,040 --> 00:48:45,040
Speaker 2: Bit ahead of the pack for me.

1090
00:48:45,120 --> 00:48:47,560
Speaker 4: And then Girley comes in number four, kind of right

1091
00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:49,840
Speaker 4: before Alvin Kamara, who I think, you know, now that

1092
00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:51,560
Speaker 4: we've seen girl, you know, maybe he's not going to

1093
00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:54,239
Speaker 4: be one hundred percent snap kind of guy. Puts the

1094
00:48:54,320 --> 00:48:56,400
Speaker 4: more in that Kamara tier of just like an extremely

1095
00:48:56,520 --> 00:48:59,799
Speaker 4: talented guy that could easily finish as the top overall pick.

1096
00:48:59,880 --> 00:49:04,320
Speaker 2: But we don't know for sure exactly what his workload

1097
00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:04,880
Speaker 2: is going to be.

1098
00:49:05,680 --> 00:49:08,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, so all of us have Barkley, Gurley, Zeke, and

1099
00:49:08,560 --> 00:49:12,680
Speaker 1: McCaffrey ranked in the top four, and then Kamara as

1100
00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:15,480
Speaker 1: the unanimous number five. I would like to think a

1101
00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:17,720
Speaker 1: little bit more about him because ray One, as you mentioned,

1102
00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:20,480
Speaker 1: he's someone who does have the capability of being the

1103
00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:23,680
Speaker 1: number one guy. And in the first month of the

1104
00:49:23,719 --> 00:49:26,200
Speaker 1: twenty eighteen season, when he didn't have Ingram there, he

1105
00:49:26,719 --> 00:49:29,880
Speaker 1: was the number one scorer in fantasy And so there

1106
00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:31,800
Speaker 1: is this kind of weird dynamic of we don't know

1107
00:49:31,960 --> 00:49:35,160
Speaker 1: yet what's going to happen in that backfield situation. I'm

1108
00:49:35,200 --> 00:49:38,040
Speaker 1: imagining that marketing room will not be back. He is

1109
00:49:38,120 --> 00:49:40,160
Speaker 1: a free agent, but you know, they could look to

1110
00:49:40,200 --> 00:49:43,120
Speaker 1: bring in someone else so that they don't overwork Kamara.

1111
00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:45,799
Speaker 1: You know, they could draft a rookie. So there are

1112
00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:48,040
Speaker 1: lots of things that could happen there. But he is

1113
00:49:48,120 --> 00:49:50,640
Speaker 1: someone who is number five and Shaan, as you mentioned,

1114
00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:53,800
Speaker 1: looking ahead, the real value might be in having the

1115
00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:57,360
Speaker 1: fourth pick, maybe the fifth pick, because you know, regardless

1116
00:49:57,480 --> 00:49:59,560
Speaker 1: of who it is, a false to you at that position,

1117
00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:02,120
Speaker 1: you could end up with a lot of value at

1118
00:50:02,200 --> 00:50:05,680
Speaker 1: the sixth spots tied for sixth. We have Melvin Gordon

1119
00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:10,080
Speaker 1: and DeVante Adams, and I ranked Adams ahead of Hopkins,

1120
00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:12,799
Speaker 1: which I'll say that was a mistake. I'll just all

1121
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:15,080
Speaker 1: outright say, and I'm not even saying like, oh, that

1122
00:50:15,160 --> 00:50:18,200
Speaker 1: was a philosophical mistake. That was a technical mistake. I

1123
00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:21,520
Speaker 1: did not mean literally to put Adams ahead of Hopkins

1124
00:50:21,600 --> 00:50:23,880
Speaker 1: in my rankings. So I'm going to fix that right

1125
00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:28,080
Speaker 1: after this podcast. But we have Gordon as the sixth

1126
00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:31,560
Speaker 1: back off of the board, and then we have Hopkins

1127
00:50:31,719 --> 00:50:35,360
Speaker 1: and Adams as the wide receivers after that, Sean, I

1128
00:50:35,640 --> 00:50:38,279
Speaker 1: kind of want to get your thoughts on transitioning from

1129
00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:41,399
Speaker 1: the running backs to the wide receivers in the first

1130
00:50:41,480 --> 00:50:43,920
Speaker 1: round and kind of where you make that transition and

1131
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:45,600
Speaker 1: how you kind of see that tear break.

1132
00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:48,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, so this is right where that would happen. I

1133
00:50:48,600 --> 00:50:51,360
Speaker 3: would not want the sixth pick, to be honest with you.

1134
00:50:51,360 --> 00:50:54,279
Speaker 3: You know, I consider it a pretty big drop off

1135
00:50:54,560 --> 00:50:57,200
Speaker 3: to Melvin Gordon. I had a lot of Gordon this year,

1136
00:50:57,280 --> 00:51:00,840
Speaker 3: and you didn't disappoint you finished sixth running back in

1137
00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:04,200
Speaker 3: PPR despite missing a few games. But you know, with

1138
00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:07,879
Speaker 3: like Austin Eckler there. You just you can't bank on him.

1139
00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:11,680
Speaker 3: I don't know, it's tough, but I think, going back

1140
00:51:11,719 --> 00:51:13,560
Speaker 3: to what I was saying earlier, when it comes to

1141
00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:16,719
Speaker 3: running back for wide receiver, how easy it is sort

1142
00:51:16,719 --> 00:51:19,000
Speaker 3: of add running backs throughout the year. I think this

1143
00:51:19,160 --> 00:51:22,520
Speaker 3: is where i'd actually take a receiver. And you know,

1144
00:51:22,760 --> 00:51:25,200
Speaker 3: I would consider Hopkins number one. But you know, even

1145
00:51:25,239 --> 00:51:27,200
Speaker 3: if it was a technical error on your part, I

1146
00:51:27,239 --> 00:51:30,120
Speaker 3: wouldn't even blame someone for taking Devanta Adams there. I

1147
00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:33,320
Speaker 3: think just getting any one of those guys, including Michael Thomas.

1148
00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:35,320
Speaker 3: I think figuring out which of those three is the

1149
00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:38,080
Speaker 3: best right now is splitting hairs. But I think at

1150
00:51:38,200 --> 00:51:40,160
Speaker 3: six spot, if I a draft right now, I would

1151
00:51:40,160 --> 00:51:44,000
Speaker 3: actually want to take a receiver over Gordon Chris.

1152
00:51:44,239 --> 00:51:47,000
Speaker 1: Where are you in kind of transitioning from those top

1153
00:51:47,120 --> 00:51:48,880
Speaker 1: running backs to the wide receivers.

1154
00:51:49,400 --> 00:51:51,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, so I'm actually curious as to your I mean,

1155
00:51:51,640 --> 00:51:53,480
Speaker 4: we don't have to go into a whole like twenty

1156
00:51:53,560 --> 00:51:56,120
Speaker 4: minute keenan Aw and aj Green debate, but I actually

1157
00:51:56,160 --> 00:51:58,359
Speaker 4: am curious as to why you think it's such an

1158
00:51:58,480 --> 00:52:01,480
Speaker 4: error to rank Hopkins blow Adams, because I actually do

1159
00:52:01,640 --> 00:52:04,400
Speaker 4: have Adams number six ahead of Hopkins, and the reason

1160
00:52:04,480 --> 00:52:07,200
Speaker 4: being was you really did not see.

1161
00:52:07,040 --> 00:52:10,400
Speaker 2: A bad game from Devonte Adams all season long.

1162
00:52:10,840 --> 00:52:15,200
Speaker 4: His low in PPR points was sixteen point one, and

1163
00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:17,600
Speaker 4: he scored in all but four games he got into

1164
00:52:17,640 --> 00:52:20,120
Speaker 4: the end zone. Hopkins just you know, he had, you know,

1165
00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:24,560
Speaker 4: right there, only zero point seven points of average behind Adams.

1166
00:52:24,640 --> 00:52:26,719
Speaker 4: In terms of PPR points per game, Adams had twenty

1167
00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:28,759
Speaker 4: one point eight, Hopkins had twenty one point one. But

1168
00:52:29,120 --> 00:52:32,880
Speaker 4: Hopkins did show you know, some vulnerability in terms of

1169
00:52:32,920 --> 00:52:35,120
Speaker 4: a floor you know, in the playoffs he had only

1170
00:52:35,160 --> 00:52:38,600
Speaker 4: five for thirty seven. He had another thirty six yard

1171
00:52:38,640 --> 00:52:42,239
Speaker 4: game against Indianapolis and didn't quite score touchdowns in as

1172
00:52:42,280 --> 00:52:45,920
Speaker 4: many games. He had about eight games where he went scoreless.

1173
00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:49,319
Speaker 4: So I actually think that Adams is a tiny bit

1174
00:52:50,040 --> 00:52:52,400
Speaker 4: more consistent. I think the upside is the same for

1175
00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:55,239
Speaker 4: both of them. But I am on team Adams here.

1176
00:52:55,560 --> 00:52:59,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I like Adams, but I just believe

1177
00:52:59,200 --> 00:53:01,279
Speaker 1: that he's not his time of a player, and I

1178
00:53:01,360 --> 00:53:04,400
Speaker 1: think Hopkins does have a It's hard to say this

1179
00:53:04,520 --> 00:53:07,720
Speaker 1: because Adams has been so consistent on a per game basis,

1180
00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:10,120
Speaker 1: but I think Hopkins actually has the higher floor a

1181
00:53:10,200 --> 00:53:14,080
Speaker 1: lot of adams consistency has been touchdown related, and with

1182
00:53:14,239 --> 00:53:17,520
Speaker 1: the new offensive system coming into Green Bay, with Aaron

1183
00:53:17,600 --> 00:53:21,080
Speaker 1: Rodgers being another year older, you know, with Randall Cobb

1184
00:53:21,239 --> 00:53:24,040
Speaker 1: probably leaving the offense, just like with a lot of

1185
00:53:24,200 --> 00:53:27,759
Speaker 1: change happening there, I'm just not as sold that what

1186
00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:30,320
Speaker 1: we've seen out of DeVante Adams in the past is

1187
00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:32,720
Speaker 1: what we will see moving forward. But I feel pretty

1188
00:53:32,760 --> 00:53:35,160
Speaker 1: confident that what we've seen out of Hopkins for the

1189
00:53:35,280 --> 00:53:37,640
Speaker 1: last you know, two to four years is what we're

1190
00:53:37,640 --> 00:53:40,360
Speaker 1: going to see out of him this next season. But

1191
00:53:40,640 --> 00:53:42,920
Speaker 1: you know, I do like Adams. I just I think

1192
00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:46,640
Speaker 1: Hopkins physically is more gifted and I feel a little

1193
00:53:46,680 --> 00:53:50,319
Speaker 1: more certain in the projection for him moving forward. Does

1194
00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:52,120
Speaker 1: that Does that make sense? Oh?

1195
00:53:52,239 --> 00:53:54,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, definitely. I think, you know, it's definitely fair.

1196
00:53:54,239 --> 00:53:56,800
Speaker 4: I think going into last season, I would have definitely,

1197
00:53:56,920 --> 00:53:58,680
Speaker 4: you know, been way up on Hopkins.

1198
00:53:58,760 --> 00:54:01,160
Speaker 2: I think I'm still I'm still have the number ten. Overall.

1199
00:54:01,880 --> 00:54:03,799
Speaker 4: I think I love what I saw from Adams this year.

1200
00:54:03,840 --> 00:54:06,320
Speaker 4: I think he was a guy that I didn't always

1201
00:54:06,560 --> 00:54:09,040
Speaker 4: think was the most talented guy, especially after you had

1202
00:54:09,040 --> 00:54:11,360
Speaker 4: that really down season I think it was twenty fifteen,

1203
00:54:11,480 --> 00:54:14,320
Speaker 4: but just his mind mode with Aaron Rodgers and the

1204
00:54:14,360 --> 00:54:16,960
Speaker 4: way they kind of are able to produce touchdowns.

1205
00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:17,920
Speaker 2: And we've seen this before.

1206
00:54:18,040 --> 00:54:20,560
Speaker 4: We've seen this with Jordy Nelson and Rogers, right, So

1207
00:54:21,280 --> 00:54:23,240
Speaker 4: he's the one guy where you know, you know, touchdowns

1208
00:54:23,239 --> 00:54:23,680
Speaker 4: are kind of this.

1209
00:54:24,080 --> 00:54:26,920
Speaker 2: They're very high variants from year to year.

1210
00:54:27,000 --> 00:54:30,279
Speaker 4: You can't really confidently predict or project I should say,

1211
00:54:30,600 --> 00:54:32,880
Speaker 4: touchdowns the way you can receptions and yards in the

1212
00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:33,800
Speaker 4: volume statistics.

1213
00:54:34,120 --> 00:54:35,759
Speaker 2: But I think because of what.

1214
00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:39,040
Speaker 4: We've seen out of Rogers in his past and Adams

1215
00:54:39,040 --> 00:54:40,960
Speaker 4: this year, who I think got a lot better, I'm

1216
00:54:41,000 --> 00:54:43,839
Speaker 4: pretty confident. I still think that, you know, he's going

1217
00:54:43,880 --> 00:54:45,439
Speaker 4: to be leaned down and he's you know, if there's

1218
00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:48,760
Speaker 4: anyone that's a bet to lead the league in touchdown receptions,

1219
00:54:48,800 --> 00:54:49,720
Speaker 4: I still think it's Adams.

1220
00:54:49,760 --> 00:54:51,600
Speaker 2: So I kind of love that that upside, but I

1221
00:54:51,640 --> 00:54:55,319
Speaker 2: do agree. I don't think there's much much separating the two, all.

1222
00:54:55,239 --> 00:54:57,560
Speaker 1: Right, So looking at these numbers all of us have

1223
00:54:57,880 --> 00:55:02,160
Speaker 1: I believe Adams and Hopkins ranked above Michael Thomas, but

1224
00:55:02,400 --> 00:55:05,480
Speaker 1: Thomas is there as our third wide receiver. And then

1225
00:55:05,680 --> 00:55:09,359
Speaker 1: we have this trio of running backs in the last

1226
00:55:09,400 --> 00:55:11,600
Speaker 1: four picks of the first round, we have Nick Chubb,

1227
00:55:11,840 --> 00:55:14,839
Speaker 1: we have Le'Veon Bell, and we have James Connor. Sean,

1228
00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:18,520
Speaker 1: I would like to get your thoughts on those running backs,

1229
00:55:18,600 --> 00:55:21,320
Speaker 1: and they're I mean, I wouldn't say that's the beginning

1230
00:55:21,480 --> 00:55:23,800
Speaker 1: of the frozen pond, but that's sort of like the

1231
00:55:24,040 --> 00:55:26,400
Speaker 1: edge of the pond, you know, like right before you

1232
00:55:26,480 --> 00:55:28,520
Speaker 1: start to step into the water. That's what I think

1233
00:55:28,560 --> 00:55:31,480
Speaker 1: those guys are. So how do you kind of distinguish

1234
00:55:31,520 --> 00:55:34,440
Speaker 1: between those guys and all of the running backs who

1235
00:55:34,480 --> 00:55:35,160
Speaker 1: come after them?

1236
00:55:36,040 --> 00:55:38,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you're honestly, I would agree that, you know,

1237
00:55:39,120 --> 00:55:42,439
Speaker 3: Belle with ncertainty right now if you're drafting, he's sort

1238
00:55:42,480 --> 00:55:43,520
Speaker 3: of teeter on the edge of that.

1239
00:55:44,040 --> 00:55:46,439
Speaker 2: But James Connor, you know, we saw at.

1240
00:55:46,360 --> 00:55:49,520
Speaker 3: The end of the year when Jayleen Samuels got the opportunity,

1241
00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:53,520
Speaker 3: he thrived as well. So there's potential for a running

1242
00:55:53,560 --> 00:55:56,919
Speaker 3: back committee there. So that gives me some concern getting

1243
00:55:57,000 --> 00:55:58,920
Speaker 3: him in the first round. You know, I had the

1244
00:55:59,120 --> 00:56:01,879
Speaker 3: I mentioned earlier pleasure of having him as my last

1245
00:56:01,960 --> 00:56:05,200
Speaker 3: round pick, but spending first round equity on that gives

1246
00:56:05,239 --> 00:56:07,759
Speaker 3: me some pause. But certainly, you know, if you're ranking

1247
00:56:07,840 --> 00:56:10,640
Speaker 3: running backs, he's way up there. If he does retain

1248
00:56:10,719 --> 00:56:13,600
Speaker 3: that workhorse role, we saw, you know, how he could

1249
00:56:13,600 --> 00:56:16,560
Speaker 3: put up elite numbers, so I think it's it's worth

1250
00:56:16,600 --> 00:56:18,879
Speaker 3: the rest still. But you know, when we go into

1251
00:56:18,960 --> 00:56:21,800
Speaker 3: a season where there's some concern of the potential running

1252
00:56:21,840 --> 00:56:22,680
Speaker 3: back by committee, you just.

1253
00:56:22,680 --> 00:56:23,360
Speaker 2: Have to be careful.

1254
00:56:23,640 --> 00:56:26,680
Speaker 3: But I don't consider Chubb part of that group, you know,

1255
00:56:26,800 --> 00:56:30,200
Speaker 3: with him, I think his his upside is basically dictated

1256
00:56:30,239 --> 00:56:32,440
Speaker 3: by how involved he gets in the receiving game. And

1257
00:56:32,560 --> 00:56:35,839
Speaker 3: we saw after Kitchens took over he had I think

1258
00:56:35,880 --> 00:56:37,840
Speaker 3: it was like five ol last six games, we had

1259
00:56:37,920 --> 00:56:40,759
Speaker 3: multiple receptions, so that was good to see. But I'm

1260
00:56:40,800 --> 00:56:43,160
Speaker 3: hoping they can incorporate more in the passing game and

1261
00:56:43,560 --> 00:56:45,759
Speaker 3: you know, give him a full workhorse role and he

1262
00:56:46,080 --> 00:56:49,200
Speaker 3: can certainly be an elite RB one going into second season.

1263
00:56:49,280 --> 00:56:52,759
Speaker 3: So I'm fine taking Chubb, you know, around pick nine

1264
00:56:52,880 --> 00:56:54,799
Speaker 3: or ten, if that's where he's going. I think he's

1265
00:56:54,880 --> 00:56:58,640
Speaker 3: definitely above that frozen Pontier and Rayvon.

1266
00:56:58,800 --> 00:57:02,320
Speaker 1: Your thoughts on those running backs closing out the first round.

1267
00:57:02,600 --> 00:57:06,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm I'm high in Connor, I'm high on Chubb

1268
00:57:06,280 --> 00:57:07,439
Speaker 4: and little or on Bell.

1269
00:57:07,760 --> 00:57:08,680
Speaker 2: I really do like Chubb.

1270
00:57:08,680 --> 00:57:10,440
Speaker 4: I think Sean hit it three or more targets and

1271
00:57:10,480 --> 00:57:13,440
Speaker 4: six of his last seven games, and so you know,

1272
00:57:13,520 --> 00:57:15,279
Speaker 4: that's that's a real positive, and that's really the only

1273
00:57:15,320 --> 00:57:17,520
Speaker 4: thing holding Chubb back because I think the old line

1274
00:57:17,560 --> 00:57:19,520
Speaker 4: will be solid. I think Chubb is a talented guy

1275
00:57:19,560 --> 00:57:21,680
Speaker 4: who you can you know, not only he's a grind,

1276
00:57:21,760 --> 00:57:23,320
Speaker 4: not only can he be a grinder and a high

1277
00:57:23,400 --> 00:57:26,400
Speaker 4: volume guy, but he can he can break off long runs.

1278
00:57:26,440 --> 00:57:29,360
Speaker 4: We saw him getting you know, ninety percent of the

1279
00:57:29,400 --> 00:57:31,880
Speaker 4: backfield carriers or more in most of his games. Once

1280
00:57:31,920 --> 00:57:34,439
Speaker 4: he took over as the starter, Duke Johnson really wasn't

1281
00:57:34,480 --> 00:57:35,160
Speaker 4: involved at all.

1282
00:57:35,600 --> 00:57:37,680
Speaker 2: So you know, I think Chubb has a huge up side.

1283
00:57:37,720 --> 00:57:41,680
Speaker 4: And Connor, We've just looking at what Steelers running backs

1284
00:57:41,680 --> 00:57:43,800
Speaker 4: have been able to produce over these past few years,

1285
00:57:43,800 --> 00:57:46,240
Speaker 4: whether it's been lezy On, whether it's been D'Angel Williams,

1286
00:57:46,520 --> 00:57:48,480
Speaker 4: or whether it's been Connor. I think there's just a

1287
00:57:48,560 --> 00:57:51,240
Speaker 4: ton of upside with Steelers running backs in general. You know,

1288
00:57:51,320 --> 00:57:53,560
Speaker 4: we'll see what happens with with Antonio Brown, but that

1289
00:57:53,600 --> 00:57:54,920
Speaker 4: could even potentially open up you.

1290
00:57:54,960 --> 00:57:57,600
Speaker 2: Know, more targets or just more reliance on on the

1291
00:57:57,680 --> 00:57:58,160
Speaker 2: running game.

1292
00:57:58,160 --> 00:58:00,000
Speaker 4: And I still think Pittsburgh is another team that's gonna

1293
00:58:00,040 --> 00:58:01,880
Speaker 4: have a pretty solid O line, still have a pretty

1294
00:58:01,880 --> 00:58:03,720
Speaker 4: solid quarterback in Ben Roethlisberger.

1295
00:58:03,800 --> 00:58:05,720
Speaker 2: So I love Connor and I love tub Here.

1296
00:58:06,320 --> 00:58:08,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm with you, guys. I do like Trubb quite

1297
00:58:08,960 --> 00:58:11,560
Speaker 1: a bit, and I think, as you mentioned, a lot

1298
00:58:11,640 --> 00:58:15,040
Speaker 1: of his future value will just be predicated based on

1299
00:58:15,120 --> 00:58:16,800
Speaker 1: what he's able to do in the passing game and

1300
00:58:16,880 --> 00:58:19,720
Speaker 1: how they involve him there. James Connor someone who is

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00:58:19,760 --> 00:58:22,920
Speaker 1: definitely intriguing to me. Out of the three, I am

1302
00:58:23,080 --> 00:58:26,160
Speaker 1: easily the highest on Le'Veon Bell, and maybe I didn't

1303
00:58:26,200 --> 00:58:29,640
Speaker 1: learn my lesson last year with what he did to us,

1304
00:58:30,240 --> 00:58:33,320
Speaker 1: but this is sort of my like planting my flag early,

1305
00:58:33,520 --> 00:58:36,080
Speaker 1: like Andrew Luck type of moment. If you can get

1306
00:58:36,160 --> 00:58:38,959
Speaker 1: Le'Veon Bell in the second half of the first round,

1307
00:58:39,480 --> 00:58:43,240
Speaker 1: I think you should be required by law to do it.

1308
00:58:43,720 --> 00:58:45,640
Speaker 1: I think he just he has that type of league

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00:58:45,680 --> 00:58:48,760
Speaker 1: winning potential that we've seen. I don't know how much

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00:58:48,800 --> 00:58:51,640
Speaker 1: of it has to do with the Steelers offensive line

1311
00:58:52,000 --> 00:58:55,479
Speaker 1: in the Steelers system, but I think wherever he goes,

1312
00:58:55,600 --> 00:58:58,439
Speaker 1: he's going to be pretty locked in as the guy.

1313
00:58:58,960 --> 00:59:01,200
Speaker 1: And he has that three skill set and he's so

1314
00:59:01,440 --> 00:59:03,760
Speaker 1: young enough that I think he can have success, and

1315
00:59:03,840 --> 00:59:06,840
Speaker 1: we've seen we've seen running backs go from one team

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00:59:06,880 --> 00:59:09,160
Speaker 1: to another and have success. We see that much more

1317
00:59:09,320 --> 00:59:11,920
Speaker 1: than with wide receivers. So you know, I think it's

1318
00:59:11,920 --> 00:59:14,840
Speaker 1: a situation where even if he leaves Pittsburgh, which I

1319
00:59:14,920 --> 00:59:17,400
Speaker 1: think we're all assuming that is likely to happen, he

1320
00:59:17,480 --> 00:59:19,640
Speaker 1: can still have success with wherever he lands up. So

1321
00:59:20,120 --> 00:59:22,760
Speaker 1: I think he is going to be available in the

1322
00:59:22,920 --> 00:59:25,400
Speaker 1: second half of a lot of first rounds, and when

1323
00:59:25,480 --> 00:59:29,120
Speaker 1: that happens, I will be looking to acquire him. Just

1324
00:59:29,280 --> 00:59:31,800
Speaker 1: outside of the first round, I should say, there is

1325
00:59:31,880 --> 00:59:35,280
Speaker 1: this second wave of wide receivers. We have Julio Jones,

1326
00:59:35,360 --> 00:59:39,400
Speaker 1: O'Dell Beckham, Junior tyreek Hill, and Antonio Brown. Antonio Brown,

1327
00:59:39,400 --> 00:59:41,240
Speaker 1: I should point out, is not ranked by any of

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00:59:41,320 --> 00:59:44,880
Speaker 1: us in the first round, so mission accomplished. There any

1329
00:59:45,040 --> 00:59:48,040
Speaker 1: thoughts on these guys who were kind of fringe first

1330
00:59:48,160 --> 00:59:51,640
Speaker 1: rounders but didn't quite make it in for US Sean.

1331
00:59:52,240 --> 00:59:56,040
Speaker 3: No, They're all good, so it does give some value

1332
00:59:56,120 --> 00:59:58,360
Speaker 3: towards the later end of the like if you have

1333
00:59:58,520 --> 01:00:02,000
Speaker 3: twelve pick, you know, drafting two of these guys, Like

1334
01:00:02,080 --> 01:00:03,600
Speaker 3: I mentioned earlier, I know you guys are on the

1335
01:00:03,640 --> 01:00:06,240
Speaker 3: same page, but I do have my concerns with Connor,

1336
01:00:06,680 --> 01:00:09,320
Speaker 3: So I would be tempted to sort of just draft

1337
01:00:09,680 --> 01:00:13,560
Speaker 3: you know, Julio and Odell Beckham or Tyreek and Odell

1338
01:00:13,560 --> 01:00:15,840
Speaker 3: Beckham or something like that, and then kind of just

1339
01:00:16,160 --> 01:00:18,160
Speaker 3: play my game later on with running backs and try

1340
01:00:18,200 --> 01:00:20,840
Speaker 3: to get those those upside plays that might take advantage

1341
01:00:20,840 --> 01:00:23,600
Speaker 3: of the situation where you know, the starting running back

1342
01:00:23,640 --> 01:00:25,520
Speaker 3: goes down or something like that. I just think there's

1343
01:00:25,600 --> 01:00:28,400
Speaker 3: more options for you if you load up at receiver

1344
01:00:28,480 --> 01:00:30,440
Speaker 3: early on. So I think they're going to be a

1345
01:00:30,560 --> 01:00:33,560
Speaker 3: very valuable position to be in the drafts because you.

1346
01:00:33,560 --> 01:00:34,360
Speaker 2: Know, they're all great.

1347
01:00:34,800 --> 01:00:37,400
Speaker 3: You know, Antonia Brown will love to see he ends up,

1348
01:00:37,520 --> 01:00:40,240
Speaker 3: but I'm shying away from him a bit heading into

1349
01:00:40,320 --> 01:00:42,760
Speaker 3: these drafts. So you know, like you said, we'll have

1350
01:00:42,840 --> 01:00:45,080
Speaker 3: to see where these guys end up. Their stock could

1351
01:00:45,120 --> 01:00:46,400
Speaker 3: go up or down based on that.

1352
01:00:47,120 --> 01:00:50,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I should say the Antonio Brown situation, I

1353
01:00:50,200 --> 01:00:52,760
Speaker 1: think he probably will end up in Pittsburgh. Again. I mean,

1354
01:00:52,800 --> 01:00:54,880
Speaker 1: I might be very wrong about that, but you know,

1355
01:00:55,000 --> 01:00:58,000
Speaker 1: I'm I'm thinking that that is something that is very possible,

1356
01:00:58,360 --> 01:01:01,400
Speaker 1: whereas maybe a lot out of the market is thinking

1357
01:01:01,720 --> 01:01:05,280
Speaker 1: that he will be moving elsewhere. Raybond these wide receivers

1358
01:01:05,440 --> 01:01:07,919
Speaker 1: who are fringe first rounders for US as a group,

1359
01:01:08,000 --> 01:01:09,320
Speaker 1: and you have a couple of them ranked in the

1360
01:01:09,360 --> 01:01:11,600
Speaker 1: first round. What are your thoughts on them collectively?

1361
01:01:12,120 --> 01:01:13,160
Speaker 2: Sean mentioned it earlier.

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01:01:13,240 --> 01:01:17,480
Speaker 4: I think these these top guys are are really valuable

1363
01:01:17,560 --> 01:01:20,400
Speaker 4: in this in this particular year. I actually have Michael

1364
01:01:20,440 --> 01:01:25,280
Speaker 4: Thomas grouped in with Odell, Julio Odell, Antonio Tyrek and

1365
01:01:25,320 --> 01:01:27,520
Speaker 4: that I actually have Michael Thomas after them. The reason being,

1366
01:01:27,760 --> 01:01:30,120
Speaker 4: when you look at Michael Thomas, he's a very He's

1367
01:01:30,160 --> 01:01:32,920
Speaker 4: a little bit lower floor, higher ceiling in terms of

1368
01:01:33,000 --> 01:01:35,040
Speaker 4: his production this year. So he had six games under

1369
01:01:35,080 --> 01:01:37,200
Speaker 4: fifty yards, and you know there were times where he

1370
01:01:37,320 --> 01:01:40,480
Speaker 4: just his average up to target isn't always that high.

1371
01:01:40,480 --> 01:01:41,959
Speaker 4: In a lot of these games, he saw Drew Brees

1372
01:01:42,080 --> 01:01:44,120
Speaker 4: kind of struggle down the stretch with some of the

1373
01:01:44,200 --> 01:01:47,120
Speaker 4: throws further down the field, and so you know, that just.

1374
01:01:47,120 --> 01:01:47,919
Speaker 2: Concerns me a little.

1375
01:01:47,920 --> 01:01:51,880
Speaker 4: Whereas I think Julio, Odell, Tyreek ad, you know, those

1376
01:01:51,920 --> 01:01:53,760
Speaker 4: guys I think are a little more confident in just

1377
01:01:54,080 --> 01:01:56,680
Speaker 4: being able to consistently put up you know, a high

1378
01:01:56,720 --> 01:01:58,560
Speaker 4: floor game after game after game, and of course they

1379
01:01:58,600 --> 01:02:01,400
Speaker 4: have the ceiling have Antonio Brown thirteenth, kind of right

1380
01:02:01,400 --> 01:02:04,080
Speaker 4: in the middle of Julio, right after Julio, No Dell.

1381
01:02:04,160 --> 01:02:06,560
Speaker 4: I just think, but Antonio, you know, he would be

1382
01:02:06,600 --> 01:02:08,680
Speaker 4: a first rounder for me if there was a little

1383
01:02:08,720 --> 01:02:11,360
Speaker 4: more certainty. I don't really think, you know, I know, Friedman,

1384
01:02:11,440 --> 01:02:13,840
Speaker 4: you you're feeling like his game has kind of falling

1385
01:02:13,880 --> 01:02:14,440
Speaker 4: off a little bit.

1386
01:02:14,640 --> 01:02:17,160
Speaker 2: I don't really think that's exactly the case.

1387
01:02:17,200 --> 01:02:19,120
Speaker 4: I think there was a lot going on there, including

1388
01:02:19,160 --> 01:02:22,800
Speaker 4: some falls with Ben Roethlisberger, and so, you know, I

1389
01:02:22,880 --> 01:02:25,040
Speaker 4: still like him, but I think there's just a little

1390
01:02:25,080 --> 01:02:26,880
Speaker 4: bit of risk there with not only where he ends up,

1391
01:02:26,920 --> 01:02:28,800
Speaker 4: but now we're starting to see him, you know, he's

1392
01:02:28,800 --> 01:02:31,360
Speaker 4: had some issues with just came out today that he's

1393
01:02:31,400 --> 01:02:33,640
Speaker 4: had He's been in a domestic dispute and you know,

1394
01:02:33,800 --> 01:02:36,400
Speaker 4: some leagal trouble there, and combine that with you know,

1395
01:02:36,480 --> 01:02:39,040
Speaker 4: his blow up or supposed to blow up, him not

1396
01:02:39,200 --> 01:02:41,280
Speaker 4: showing up for work before.

1397
01:02:41,080 --> 01:02:42,439
Speaker 2: The last game of the season.

1398
01:02:42,560 --> 01:02:44,479
Speaker 4: Just so he's kind of getting to this place where

1399
01:02:44,880 --> 01:02:46,959
Speaker 4: he seems to be a little riskier just in terms

1400
01:02:47,000 --> 01:02:49,720
Speaker 4: of what could potentially happen off the field. And that's

1401
01:02:49,760 --> 01:02:52,480
Speaker 4: why I'm putting him as at number thirteen as a

1402
01:02:52,640 --> 01:02:54,520
Speaker 4: as a second rounder, because I just don't know, and

1403
01:02:54,600 --> 01:02:56,840
Speaker 4: I don't feel as confident that that he's you know,

1404
01:02:56,920 --> 01:02:59,240
Speaker 4: he's a lock to just be on the field every

1405
01:02:59,240 --> 01:03:01,160
Speaker 4: single week, I guess you could say, as he was

1406
01:03:01,240 --> 01:03:01,680
Speaker 4: in the past.

1407
01:03:02,000 --> 01:03:05,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, not to mention his facial hair recent development with

1408
01:03:05,240 --> 01:03:08,760
Speaker 1: the facial hair not not becoming of a number one

1409
01:03:08,920 --> 01:03:12,080
Speaker 1: wide resire Sean, I believe that you're going to take

1410
01:03:12,120 --> 01:03:14,440
Speaker 1: a bit of a hiatus from the NFL, just a

1411
01:03:14,440 --> 01:03:15,720
Speaker 1: little bit of a time off. You're gonna, you know,

1412
01:03:15,800 --> 01:03:18,360
Speaker 1: for the next couple of weeks, focus on basketball, maybe

1413
01:03:18,400 --> 01:03:21,520
Speaker 1: even start to prepare for baseball. What are you going

1414
01:03:21,600 --> 01:03:23,680
Speaker 1: to be working on for the coming weeks.

1415
01:03:24,200 --> 01:03:26,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, So usually this time of year, I take a

1416
01:03:26,360 --> 01:03:29,200
Speaker 3: little break from NFL, you know, do my thing with NBA,

1417
01:03:29,360 --> 01:03:32,720
Speaker 3: March Mans coming up, set some of our stuff up

1418
01:03:32,800 --> 01:03:36,640
Speaker 3: for MLB, and then apparently there's this new football league

1419
01:03:36,640 --> 01:03:37,480
Speaker 3: that you guys are going to.

1420
01:03:37,480 --> 01:03:37,840
Speaker 2: Fill me in.

1421
01:03:37,920 --> 01:03:39,960
Speaker 3: And with that, I'm like, oh, yeah, you know, I

1422
01:03:40,120 --> 01:03:43,560
Speaker 3: like doing experimental things too, and that involves you know,

1423
01:03:43,680 --> 01:03:46,200
Speaker 3: back testing my models for NFL and you know, tweaking

1424
01:03:46,280 --> 01:03:49,280
Speaker 3: things for next year. So more of the mathematical side

1425
01:03:49,920 --> 01:03:53,080
Speaker 3: as opposed to really focusing on rankings for next year.

1426
01:03:53,200 --> 01:03:55,680
Speaker 3: So I'm not fully going away from NFL, but giving,

1427
01:03:56,000 --> 01:03:57,680
Speaker 3: you know, taking a little bit of a mental holiday

1428
01:03:57,720 --> 01:03:59,960
Speaker 3: from NFL over the next couple of months and then

1429
01:04:00,040 --> 01:04:03,280
Speaker 3: and you know, tracking the draft and rookies and that

1430
01:04:03,880 --> 01:04:06,720
Speaker 3: time of year. But I will come out with my

1431
01:04:07,240 --> 01:04:09,720
Speaker 3: full projections after the draft is complete.

1432
01:04:10,320 --> 01:04:13,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, Sean, all that sounds good, but really abandon all

1433
01:04:13,320 --> 01:04:17,600
Speaker 1: your plans and start researching immediately the Alliance of American Football.

1434
01:04:17,920 --> 01:04:20,040
Speaker 1: I need you to tell me what a Mike Martz

1435
01:04:20,400 --> 01:04:24,280
Speaker 1: offense in this day of age Burrier is the head

1436
01:04:24,320 --> 01:04:26,320
Speaker 1: coach of a team. I need you to break all

1437
01:04:26,400 --> 01:04:27,680
Speaker 1: this down and give me the numbers.

1438
01:04:27,760 --> 01:04:28,040
Speaker 2: Ie.

1439
01:04:28,360 --> 01:04:30,800
Speaker 3: It's going to be fun projecting Trent Richardson again. I

1440
01:04:31,080 --> 01:04:33,040
Speaker 3: saw he's just starting running back on one of the teams.

1441
01:04:33,080 --> 01:04:35,720
Speaker 3: They're actually the supposedly the worst team in the league.

1442
01:04:36,000 --> 01:04:36,800
Speaker 3: So yeah, I'll be fun.

1443
01:04:36,920 --> 01:04:40,160
Speaker 2: These these old Christian Hackenberg's in it, so yeah, it

1444
01:04:40,160 --> 01:04:40,760
Speaker 2: should be fun.

1445
01:04:41,240 --> 01:04:44,960
Speaker 1: Mike Vick is the offensive coordinator for the team in Atlanta,

1446
01:04:45,400 --> 01:04:49,400
Speaker 1: So a lot of intrigue going on with this league. Chris,

1447
01:04:49,680 --> 01:04:51,200
Speaker 1: what are you going to be working on in the

1448
01:04:51,240 --> 01:04:52,000
Speaker 1: coming weeks.

1449
01:04:52,520 --> 01:04:55,480
Speaker 4: So I will be I'll be continuing to do some NFL,

1450
01:04:55,640 --> 01:04:58,760
Speaker 4: you know, more commentary based pieces, things about you know,

1451
01:04:59,120 --> 01:05:01,200
Speaker 4: what we were from the season and how we can

1452
01:05:01,320 --> 01:05:04,160
Speaker 4: use it going forward. I'll obviously we continue to be

1453
01:05:04,240 --> 01:05:07,200
Speaker 4: doing the h I'll take that bet on on ESPN Plus.

1454
01:05:07,280 --> 01:05:09,640
Speaker 4: And uh, we we haven't a lot of just other

1455
01:05:09,720 --> 01:05:12,440
Speaker 4: projects around other sports that I really haven't been able

1456
01:05:12,520 --> 01:05:15,640
Speaker 4: to concentrate as much excited about college basketball. I'll be

1457
01:05:15,840 --> 01:05:18,080
Speaker 4: transitioning into a lot more NBA like I was doing

1458
01:05:18,680 --> 01:05:21,360
Speaker 4: when I first joined the Action Network last season. And uh,

1459
01:05:21,520 --> 01:05:22,760
Speaker 4: you know, I think I know me and you and

1460
01:05:22,840 --> 01:05:24,760
Speaker 4: I are going to to to probably still be doing

1461
01:05:24,840 --> 01:05:27,800
Speaker 4: this podcast every week and with various guests and Sean

1462
01:05:27,880 --> 01:05:28,840
Speaker 4: and everybody.

1463
01:05:28,520 --> 01:05:31,160
Speaker 2: Coming coming through, and we'll get to talk about.

1464
01:05:30,960 --> 01:05:33,440
Speaker 4: Some more some more NFL stuff that we haven't always

1465
01:05:33,440 --> 01:05:35,400
Speaker 4: been able to to kind of dive into during the

1466
01:05:35,560 --> 01:05:38,480
Speaker 4: during the season just because of you know, time constraints.

1467
01:05:38,480 --> 01:05:39,520
Speaker 2: We're trying to break down all the games.

1468
01:05:39,520 --> 01:05:41,880
Speaker 4: I'm sure we can have a nice, nice, lively Antonio

1469
01:05:41,920 --> 01:05:43,720
Speaker 4: Brown debate at some point and I.

1470
01:05:43,920 --> 01:05:47,360
Speaker 1: Look forward to that, except that I don't that is

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01:05:47,440 --> 01:05:49,240
Speaker 1: going to do it for this episode of the Action

1472
01:05:49,360 --> 01:05:52,960
Speaker 1: Network NFL podcast for Sean Corner and Chris Raybon. I'm

1473
01:05:53,000 --> 01:05:55,560
Speaker 1: Matthew Freeman. Matt if do work. We'll see again next episode.