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Speaker 1: Oh, hello the Internet, and welcome to Season one thirty eight,

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Speaker 1: Episode three of the Daily Zeitgeistar production of My Heart Radio.

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Speaker 1: This is the podcast where we take a deep dive

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Speaker 1: into America's shared consciousness and you know, just officially, we

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Speaker 1: look in there say okay, so fun Cooke Brothers okay, fun,

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Speaker 1: Fox News okay, fun, russlan Bottom okay, fun, Buck Sexton okay.

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Speaker 1: Fu Capitalism okay? What else? And any any turf novelists

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Speaker 1: out there who were feeling themselves too much like j

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Speaker 1: K rown um. So, yeah, it's Wednesday, June twenty. Uh.

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Speaker 1: My name is Miles Gray aka your boy Kusama experimental

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Speaker 1: art experimental artists, not experimental artist. Uh, and I am

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Speaker 1: thrilled to be joined by today's co host, the very

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Speaker 1: Lovely been hilarious, just the Queen of Zambonies, yourself and

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Speaker 1: Jamie Loftus. Thank you so much, thank you. It's it's

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Speaker 1: Jamie A. K. Small Ice Resurface, Sir says we're going

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Speaker 1: generic names from now on. He said, small ice resurfacer.

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Speaker 1: Is that what his zamboni is? Oh? Classify? Uh yeah,

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Speaker 1: little there you go, there you go, We got there. Okay,

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Speaker 1: Chucky cheese is going bankrupt. But I don't give a

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Speaker 1: funk anymore. I don't give a funk about you know,

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Speaker 1: people keep tweeting at me about Chucky Cheese going out

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Speaker 1: of business, and I'm like, we need to talk about

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Speaker 1: defunding the police. I don't want to talk to you

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Speaker 1: about Chucky Cheese this week. I think because you know,

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Speaker 1: your brand is so inextricably tied. It's like when Taco

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Speaker 1: Bell everyone's like, you know, they support Trump, You're gonna

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Speaker 1: stop you to talk about like, no problems, no problem,

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Speaker 1: no problem, but everyone's talking about It's it's hard when

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Speaker 1: you reduce your identity to like three things people buy

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Speaker 1: the story is I mean and and and I would

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Speaker 1: never ask someone to know more than three things about me.

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Speaker 1: It's a boring It gets so boring. Well, Jamie, the

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Speaker 1: architect of Chuck E Cheese and the Police State's downfall. Uh,

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Speaker 1: please help me welcome today's third seat, a very special guest,

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Speaker 1: the wonderful talented producer writer, uh you know, also just

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Speaker 1: a super producer to people don't know this one my

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Speaker 1: heart and also past guests. This is not her first time.

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Speaker 1: Please help me welcome Joel Monique. Hi, guys, Hi, how

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Speaker 1: are you. It's good to see you. It's really good

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Speaker 1: to see you too, Jamie. How am I not prepared

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Speaker 1: to answer that question? Say, how energized are you to

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Speaker 1: burn it down? So ready, there we go. We have

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Speaker 1: to focus on a direction more than sometimes the the

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Speaker 1: aggravation that we're experiencing all at the same time. UM,

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Speaker 1: you know, Joel, we're gonna get to know you a

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Speaker 1: little bit more. First, we're gonna let people what we're

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Speaker 1: gonna talk about. Um. Coming up in the second act,

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Speaker 1: we have a very very special guest, uh you. There's

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Speaker 1: no doubt you have probably seen her very amazing interview

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Speaker 1: that went viral that I believe is titled how do

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Speaker 1: We Win? Or How We Win? Kimberly Jones, who is

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Speaker 1: an activist and author. She will be joining us to

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Speaker 1: speak with us, joining us to speak with us and

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Speaker 1: to see I'm I am not very eloquent today, but yes,

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Speaker 1: we can't wait for you guys to check that out

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Speaker 1: because she is fantastic. UM. And I mean, if you

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Speaker 1: haven't heard this interview, just search her name and how

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Speaker 1: the episode and watch it. Yeah, if you were on

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Speaker 1: the I mean hopefully you're not on the fence and

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Speaker 1: listening to this show. But if you needed even more

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Speaker 1: of a reason to wake the funk up police, uh

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Speaker 1: ingest that with your espresso in the morning, Joel, Yes,

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Speaker 1: what is something from your search history that is a

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Speaker 1: little bit revealing about who you are? I'm gonna go

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Speaker 1: with looking at the lyrics to Ugly Hour every song,

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Speaker 1: but mostly tipsy as I'm listening to it a lot.

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Speaker 1: And if you haven't heard on Godly Hour, it's Chloe

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Speaker 1: and Hallie's new album. Uh that they're Beyonce's protege, their sisters.

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Speaker 1: They have style losing out of their skin. You maybe

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Speaker 1: saw them like, was it a deck? I don't know

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Speaker 1: what time is anymore. A long time ago, when they

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Speaker 1: how are they doing these harmonies? It's so weird and

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Speaker 1: They are so weird and interesting and cool, and that

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Speaker 1: it's not like, don't look at black lives matter, or

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Speaker 1: It very much is like accessible to all of those feelings,

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Speaker 1: Like it's it's very refreshing to see because they clearly

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Speaker 1: have their own aesthetic. It's a it's basically what the

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Speaker 1: calling it, what the kids are calling it. Miles is

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Speaker 1: our new gen Z correspondent life ever since. Wasn't it

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Speaker 1: you saying how those gen Z takes on millennials. I'm like,

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Speaker 1: I delighten those They're a precious generation. I love gen

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Speaker 1: Z so much. Ye please call us out on our stupidity,

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Speaker 1: especially on that Harry Potter bullshit, because like in a way,

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Speaker 1: I feel so vindicated. I didn't fun with Harry Potter

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Speaker 1: I think maybe I wonder if the love between millennials

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Speaker 1: the name millennial came out. People like, oh those kids

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Speaker 1: despite the fact that science is like, well, yeah, our

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Speaker 1: Like I would like for that to be true, but no,

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Speaker 1: to be more pessimistic, and I don't think millennials can

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Speaker 1: I feel like we're just really butting heads on, like well,

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Speaker 1: there's like we're just gonna keep trying, We're gonna do

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Speaker 1: if you guys know, but all of this, like you

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Speaker 1: see like interact regression. You could just go home and

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Speaker 1: Why didn't why they don't get that experience? Now, to

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Speaker 1: and ship like that. It's a much of different game

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Speaker 1: These teachers have to like literally scavenge for supplies to

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Speaker 1: put more money there and then just be like, okay,

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Speaker 1: it's all opsided. Now, I think that's step one is like, see,

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Speaker 1: so already it's at odds with even how your idea

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Speaker 1: I didn't put it together until I saw you teaching

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Speaker 1: to explain that to you as a parent. I have failed. Uh.

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Speaker 1: And Joel, what is something you think is underrated? Underrated?

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Speaker 1: The number of missing black women in this country right now? Uh?

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Speaker 1: And if I can really turned your audience's attention to

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Speaker 1: Briant Pruden, she went missing in Elizabeth, New Jersey. She

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Speaker 1: is my friend's sister. There is an official missing report

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Speaker 1: filed with the New Jersey Police. UM, so you guys

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Speaker 1: it's that, well, no, we can. We can completely disenfranchise

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Speaker 1: them to the point that crimes of desperation will become

426
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Speaker 1: like endemic in this community, and then we'll create a

427
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Speaker 1: police force to clean it up. And then that's more

428
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Speaker 1: money for prisons to be built. That's money for people

429
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Speaker 1: who make the handcuffs, that's money for people who make

430
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Speaker 1: the stuff for the police. That's where that's where that

431
00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:42,120
Speaker 1: new revenue suck is coming from. And it's just been

432
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Speaker 1: re contextualized. And I think that's what people also need

433
00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:48,800
Speaker 1: to see that this poverty isn't just limited to black people.

434
00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:52,520
Speaker 1: This poverty is now being experienced by many, many people.

435
00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:56,760
Speaker 1: Um and we're and it's clear that the government really

436
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Speaker 1: has no interest in solving that because that would require

437
00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:04,080
Speaker 1: spending money to actually lift people out, rather than making

438
00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:06,439
Speaker 1: money off of not doing anything about the problem. It

439
00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:07,760
Speaker 1: just makes more sense, like, well, I can make a

440
00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:09,360
Speaker 1: ton of money if I don't do anything about it,

441
00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:12,439
Speaker 1: so why do that. I'll make more money rather than

442
00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:15,399
Speaker 1: spend money. Would you rather live in a rich society

443
00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:19,480
Speaker 1: as opposed to be rich in a poor society? It

444
00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:23,439
Speaker 1: just seems so unconscionable to me to like horde billions

445
00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:27,800
Speaker 1: even a billion, like when we know that there are

446
00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:32,000
Speaker 1: like kids with super old books that aren't being properly educated,

447
00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:35,040
Speaker 1: when we understand that like most of our bridges are

448
00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:38,520
Speaker 1: set to collapse any day now, Like it's it's crazy,

449
00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:42,320
Speaker 1: the amount of just I don't know, selfishness, self centering

450
00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:44,639
Speaker 1: iss I I it doesn't seem strange to me to

451
00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:46,560
Speaker 1: want to live in a in a community of like

452
00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:52,000
Speaker 1: well educated, stable people, people have easy access mental health care.

453
00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:53,679
Speaker 1: I don't know, we're not going to solve all the

454
00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:56,040
Speaker 1: problems here, but these are all the things I've been

455
00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:57,879
Speaker 1: thinking about. These are the things I think. But this

456
00:23:57,960 --> 00:24:00,320
Speaker 1: is the work, right, this is part of even for

457
00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:04,720
Speaker 1: other people who have, you know, by their socio economic

458
00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:07,000
Speaker 1: what have you factors, have not had to think about

459
00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:09,280
Speaker 1: these things. But these are the These are kinds of

460
00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:11,959
Speaker 1: really big questions that we need to be asking right

461
00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:13,959
Speaker 1: now if we're going to move forward in some kind

462
00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:17,439
Speaker 1: of way that looks just it's just that and it

463
00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:20,520
Speaker 1: feels overwhelming. But you know, I think America we've had this.

464
00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:23,080
Speaker 1: It's like when you're in a shitty relationship and all

465
00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:25,640
Speaker 1: your friends like, dude, get break up. What the funk

466
00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:28,280
Speaker 1: are you doing? This is stupid? And I don't know,

467
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Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know, Like we'll see, we'll

468
00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:33,520
Speaker 1: see no, no, no, no, it's bad. No, this is bad.

469
00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:35,959
Speaker 1: Get out. And but in your mind, it's just not

470
00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:38,560
Speaker 1: a it's just not a possibility to do it. And

471
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Speaker 1: that's why you don't do it, because this you haven't

472
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Speaker 1: even thought of a world outside of it. I think

473
00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:44,720
Speaker 1: a lot of people need to be in thinking outside

474
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Speaker 1: of what this next step is. It's not that this

475
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Speaker 1: is a problem that can't be solved, it's just that,

476
00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:52,119
Speaker 1: like we really need to actually talk about it. And

477
00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:54,680
Speaker 1: on top of it, the work has been done, let's

478
00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:58,760
Speaker 1: not let's not there. This the the abolition of police

479
00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:01,560
Speaker 1: and racial justice in terms of the judicial system, that

480
00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:04,560
Speaker 1: has been a very much black lead field of academia

481
00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:06,719
Speaker 1: that has also been put on the back burner because

482
00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:09,399
Speaker 1: surprised ding ding ding white supremacy, and a lot of

483
00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:12,959
Speaker 1: academics aren't interested in this field because it's coming a

484
00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:16,160
Speaker 1: lot from the people that are experiencing it and are

485
00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:20,679
Speaker 1: actually giving uh textures and articulating what this is and

486
00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:24,399
Speaker 1: and synthesizing it to offer solutions. So the work is

487
00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:26,159
Speaker 1: being done. The work is out there, but it's on

488
00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:29,080
Speaker 1: everyone to be able to become literate in these things

489
00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:31,280
Speaker 1: so we can have a vision of what it is.

490
00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:34,200
Speaker 1: Everyone saw Avatar and they could figure out what sucking

491
00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:38,360
Speaker 1: uh bucking Pangaea or whatever the pandora look like. So

492
00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:40,359
Speaker 1: that's the same thing. Like people need a vision so

493
00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:44,560
Speaker 1: that way they can move. Angela Davis wrote a really

494
00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:48,240
Speaker 1: great piece called Our prisons obsolete. It's free pretty much

495
00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:50,399
Speaker 1: all over the internet. You can google it real quick

496
00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:53,679
Speaker 1: and get yourself like a base layer education of what

497
00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:58,080
Speaker 1: it means to potentially removed prisons from our society. And

498
00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:00,440
Speaker 1: I think that's a really a good place to start

499
00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:03,920
Speaker 1: if you're interested. Joel, what's some of you thing is overrated?

500
00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:08,800
Speaker 1: White people who are tired of protesting already. I don't care.

501
00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:12,359
Speaker 1: We're talking about that yesterday. Keep it to yourself, You're

502
00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:15,200
Speaker 1: I'm talking specifically one white woman. She doesn't know who

503
00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:16,560
Speaker 1: she is, and I'm not gonna write her because I

504
00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:19,800
Speaker 1: don't have the headspace. But girl, you have so much money,

505
00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:23,480
Speaker 1: so much access in your community, so much everything, And

506
00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:25,800
Speaker 1: for you to open your mouth in your space to

507
00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:27,800
Speaker 1: say that you're tired and here's the way to keep

508
00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:30,520
Speaker 1: soldering on is an insult to everybody who has to

509
00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:33,679
Speaker 1: just live in black skin at any point in this country,

510
00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:37,040
Speaker 1: And specifically, it's an insult to um, the leaders on

511
00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:40,680
Speaker 1: the ground who've been doing the work for decades, actively

512
00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:45,399
Speaker 1: pursuing justice not just for themselves but their can folk. Um.

513
00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:47,160
Speaker 1: And he looks suspect in the light. I don't believe

514
00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:49,120
Speaker 1: you're here for us and I'm tired of you having

515
00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:53,520
Speaker 1: a platform. You're overrated, all right. I can't wait to

516
00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:55,920
Speaker 1: find out who you're talking about. It's like I can't

517
00:26:56,119 --> 00:27:01,240
Speaker 1: to go off it. I mean, yeah to to my

518
00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:05,560
Speaker 1: fellow white girls listening. Uh, no one wants to hear it. Like,

519
00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:08,600
Speaker 1: no one wants to hear it. It's like if I

520
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:12,320
Speaker 1: don't know that the self care posts are so just

521
00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:17,960
Speaker 1: connected to so many infuriating things, but now more than ever. Yeah,

522
00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:20,800
Speaker 1: if if you're not black and advocating for self care

523
00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:23,320
Speaker 1: to be able to maintain your sanity through a very

524
00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:26,320
Speaker 1: trying month, Uh, that's one thing. But when it's people

525
00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:27,960
Speaker 1: are like, I don't know, like just take a bath,

526
00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:30,200
Speaker 1: like we get it, Like it's so crazy out there,

527
00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:33,840
Speaker 1: and like the brunch spots closed, like let's just really

528
00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:39,040
Speaker 1: harmon that. It's tough, you know, uh seeing these like

529
00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:42,639
Speaker 1: sort of performative uh posts and things like that. But

530
00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:46,320
Speaker 1: I think people will be exposed at some point down

531
00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:48,560
Speaker 1: the road when they're their their head is completely out

532
00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:53,680
Speaker 1: the game because it's there's just so much to do. Uh.

533
00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:56,639
Speaker 1: And finally, Joel, what's a myth? What is something that

534
00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:58,520
Speaker 1: people think is true? You know? To be false? Or

535
00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:04,439
Speaker 1: vice Versey. White people know what they're doing. M you know,

536
00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:06,760
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't believe that people are ignorant about

537
00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:09,119
Speaker 1: race anymore and this way, and if you are, it's

538
00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:12,720
Speaker 1: absolutely one thousand percent a choice. You know what you're doing,

539
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:15,320
Speaker 1: you understand what it is to be racist, You've had

540
00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:18,920
Speaker 1: the awkward moments, You've understand how you are complicit or

541
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:21,960
Speaker 1: a part of the system, and uh, if you're not

542
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:25,640
Speaker 1: doing anything to change that, then you are the problem

543
00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:28,040
Speaker 1: and you can no longer play coy about it. Yeah,

544
00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:32,560
Speaker 1: I mean that's why I find myself just had like

545
00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:35,240
Speaker 1: there was a level where you could let someone get

546
00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:39,560
Speaker 1: away with their intellectual trickery unveiled racism. But I have

547
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:41,800
Speaker 1: a feeling I mean me personally, and I see it

548
00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:44,760
Speaker 1: happening on the internet everywhere where there is a certain

549
00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:47,040
Speaker 1: level where there's a certain level of discourse people are

550
00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:49,400
Speaker 1: not willing to accept anymore. Whether that's like kind of

551
00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:51,719
Speaker 1: like you know, you see people popping up with like

552
00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:54,280
Speaker 1: the you know this NASCAR coming out with that's like

553
00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:57,800
Speaker 1: back the Blue and the drivers like no, man, I'm

554
00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:01,640
Speaker 1: just I got love for both sides. Like, bro, that's

555
00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:05,240
Speaker 1: that's old, that's race that's racing. You can't love me

556
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:08,440
Speaker 1: and love the place. It's impossible. You can't do it.

557
00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:13,640
Speaker 1: It's impossible. Um, it's it's a lot of work. The

558
00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:16,000
Speaker 1: the thing for people though, who are tired. Back to

559
00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:18,640
Speaker 1: your other point, Um, you know, if if you're tired,

560
00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:21,560
Speaker 1: then start putting your energy into getting this equality, because

561
00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:24,080
Speaker 1: then maybe we could stop talking about it when we started.

562
00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:26,880
Speaker 1: We start moving in that direction. So you're tight. There's

563
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:29,160
Speaker 1: a very easy way to end. You could use your

564
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:31,840
Speaker 1: privilege and just blow this motherfucker out and we can

565
00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:35,360
Speaker 1: go home, you know tomorrow. If white people got on

566
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:40,600
Speaker 1: the same page, you could, your grandma, you really could.

567
00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:42,840
Speaker 1: You really could. I mean y'all really could if you

568
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:47,520
Speaker 1: really wanted to. And they all said nope, you know what, No, nope, nope, nope,

569
00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:50,840
Speaker 1: not doing it. We're gonna listen. These black people have

570
00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:53,280
Speaker 1: been studying their oppression and know it very well. They

571
00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:55,760
Speaker 1: have suggestions I think we should hear from them. They're

572
00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:57,440
Speaker 1: saying to get rid of the police and put more

573
00:29:57,480 --> 00:30:00,360
Speaker 1: money into their communities. And then when we ask well

574
00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:01,880
Speaker 1: what does it, what does it look like when you

575
00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:03,440
Speaker 1: do the fund the police, they say, well, how many

576
00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:05,640
Speaker 1: cops are driving around your neighborhood. How many how many

577
00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:07,600
Speaker 1: squad cars can you count driving by the front of

578
00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:11,760
Speaker 1: your house in one hour or one day or one

579
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:16,120
Speaker 1: week in your neighborhood? Are out policing outside of your

580
00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:18,960
Speaker 1: neighborhood and what are they doing when they're outside of

581
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:21,360
Speaker 1: that space? And this is a huge part. Part of

582
00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:23,920
Speaker 1: the problem with police is the fact that they're bringing

583
00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:26,520
Speaker 1: in a lot of people from outside the neighborhood who

584
00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:28,880
Speaker 1: don't know the culture, who don't know the people, who

585
00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:31,480
Speaker 1: are ready to just attack, and they have no concept

586
00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:34,520
Speaker 1: of what it is to keep that neighborhood safe. I mean,

587
00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:37,400
Speaker 1: we just need to get people who have the heart

588
00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:40,080
Speaker 1: to care for people to be like if they want

589
00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:43,960
Speaker 1: to be anything close to what we're calling police anymore. Um,

590
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:46,640
Speaker 1: the first step is I'm not will if if a

591
00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:48,720
Speaker 1: police pulls up and say, what the funk you doing

592
00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:51,120
Speaker 1: over here? Hey, come here, come here, come here. No, No, no,

593
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:54,080
Speaker 1: that's not that's not that's not the face of policing

594
00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:57,680
Speaker 1: should be. It should be seeing someone destitute and telling

595
00:30:57,720 --> 00:31:00,760
Speaker 1: them I'm going to take you somewhere for safe or

596
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:03,920
Speaker 1: checking in on somebody and saying like I understand that

597
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:06,400
Speaker 1: you need help and let me get that for you,

598
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:08,680
Speaker 1: because that's my role as someone who is to serve

599
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:11,080
Speaker 1: and protect the people of this community rather than to

600
00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:15,200
Speaker 1: be suspicious of and brutalize. It's the difference between cops

601
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:18,640
Speaker 1: handing out PPE in Manhattan and busting people in the Bronx.

602
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:22,560
Speaker 1: It's that sort of level of difference in in protection

603
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:25,160
Speaker 1: and and civil service, really, I think is what we're

604
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:28,640
Speaker 1: talking about. And I think that the role of that

605
00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:31,880
Speaker 1: officers perform now should just be civil service, which is

606
00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:35,920
Speaker 1: not about catching the bad guys, but about uplifting your community.

607
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:38,680
Speaker 1: UM and I don't think we can do it with police.

608
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:39,960
Speaker 1: I don't think you can do it with the same

609
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:42,480
Speaker 1: star that slave catchers held. I don't think you can

610
00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:45,320
Speaker 1: do it under the institutions that for gears have sort

611
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:49,720
Speaker 1: of hidden and protected police from any kind of accountability.

612
00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:51,200
Speaker 1: And that's why I think they have to be abolished.

613
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:53,400
Speaker 1: It's not that I want these people out of a job.

614
00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:55,640
Speaker 1: I just want whatever you were doing in the police

615
00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:58,680
Speaker 1: force to be redirected to a community civil service unit

616
00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:02,600
Speaker 1: that can better support the community as opposed to um

617
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:06,080
Speaker 1: terrorizing it. Because the problem isn't crime, The problem is

618
00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:09,080
Speaker 1: the environment that is creating the crime. So please address

619
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:13,040
Speaker 1: the environment. That's the issue. It's not the crime. The

620
00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:17,160
Speaker 1: crime is happening because you are not supporting people. It's okay,

621
00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:20,240
Speaker 1: it's not that's the crime is the byproduct, and y'all

622
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:23,760
Speaker 1: are mistaken the smoke for the fire. Okay, all right,

623
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Speaker 1: Let's take a quick break and we'll be back with

624
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Speaker 1: Kimberly Jones after this. And we are back, and we

625
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Speaker 1: have a very special guest today, uh, someone who I

626
00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:47,120
Speaker 1: think most people, if you've been engaged at all with

627
00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:50,000
Speaker 1: social media and the goings on in our country, have

628
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:55,280
Speaker 1: probably seen a very amazing interview with this woman. She's

629
00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:59,080
Speaker 1: an author and activist. Her name is Kimberly Jones. Kimberly,

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Daily is like, guys, thank you for

631
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Speaker 1: stopping by. Oh, thank you guys for having me. Thank

632
00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:09,000
Speaker 1: you so much for stopping by. I think everybody, myself included.

633
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:11,800
Speaker 1: The second I saw your video clip, which has been

634
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Speaker 1: viewed millions of times now, I think it's called how

635
00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:18,720
Speaker 1: We Win. Just describing the state of racial inequality and

636
00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:23,120
Speaker 1: how white supremacy and economic uh inequality has affected black

637
00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:26,000
Speaker 1: people in this country, I think resonated with many people

638
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:29,640
Speaker 1: because of the clarity of your words and the emotion

639
00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:32,840
Speaker 1: that you're conveying. I mean, it's uh, it was one

640
00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:35,520
Speaker 1: of the few things I feel like consistently many people

641
00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:39,200
Speaker 1: were talking about because for whatever reason, you're metaphor about

642
00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:42,000
Speaker 1: the rounds of monopoly passing black people by and not

643
00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:46,160
Speaker 1: being able to build wealth. Um, really stuck with people.

644
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:49,360
Speaker 1: And I'm you know, just so again, so pleasured and

645
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:51,560
Speaker 1: so honored that you would stop buy and talk with

646
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:55,520
Speaker 1: us anytime. Where are you calling from right now? Um?

647
00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:58,200
Speaker 1: I live in Atlanta, but I'm originally from Chicago, but

648
00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:01,200
Speaker 1: I've been living in Atlanta now for about years. Nice.

649
00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:04,760
Speaker 1: So I just want to ask you, you know, with

650
00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:10,279
Speaker 1: that video becoming viral and for good reason, UM, what

651
00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:12,520
Speaker 1: do you think is sort of happening? Like I think

652
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:14,640
Speaker 1: for for some people, we feel like a lot of

653
00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:20,160
Speaker 1: white Americans are having the realization or the connection between

654
00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:24,200
Speaker 1: intellectually understanding that racism exists and then the connecting that

655
00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:28,440
Speaker 1: with the emotional parts. What sort of from the response

656
00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:30,120
Speaker 1: to your video have how have you been sort of

657
00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:32,279
Speaker 1: seeing just sort of the evolution of how we are

658
00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:36,680
Speaker 1: even discussing racism in this country. Um, It's really interesting

659
00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:38,920
Speaker 1: because what I've received on my end is more of

660
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:42,440
Speaker 1: a global response, because I get messages from like Israel,

661
00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:47,359
Speaker 1: New Zealand, you know, Great Britain, Australia, Africa, UM and

662
00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:50,720
Speaker 1: and people are applying it to the systemic racism that

663
00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:53,640
Speaker 1: that is in their country that they are either now

664
00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:56,160
Speaker 1: learning to grapple with or have been experiencing and not

665
00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:59,839
Speaker 1: knowing how to express. But particularly in America, the most

666
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:04,200
Speaker 1: interesting thing has been UM, A lot of the history

667
00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:06,640
Speaker 1: and what I talked about, people were unfamiliar with the

668
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:08,479
Speaker 1: amount of people have told me they had never held

669
00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:12,239
Speaker 1: heard of Tulsa, they had never heard of Rosewood. UM

670
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:16,000
Speaker 1: was astounding to me, especially because I honestly I'm keeping

671
00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:18,680
Speaker 1: track of the cities where instances like that happened, and

672
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:22,040
Speaker 1: right now I'm up to twenty nine. And so it's

673
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:26,640
Speaker 1: this this notion that there has been this hidden history

674
00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:30,239
Speaker 1: that informs how we view our current state. UM, that

675
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:34,040
Speaker 1: people haven't had access to. UM. You know, the way

676
00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:36,200
Speaker 1: that history is written in our history books, it's a

677
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:39,520
Speaker 1: very one sided story. UM. If the if the victor

678
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:42,480
Speaker 1: is writing the story, then you know that's that's the

679
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:45,200
Speaker 1: way they're gonna write it. And so a lot of

680
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:48,040
Speaker 1: what I'm receiving is people just being like, you know,

681
00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:51,120
Speaker 1: it's it took a bunch of the pieces for me

682
00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:53,920
Speaker 1: to put it together for the big picture to all,

683
00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:55,799
Speaker 1: you know, make sense to me. And I think a

684
00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:58,759
Speaker 1: lot of times when it's not your experience and you're

685
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:01,279
Speaker 1: not seeing it on a daily basis, then you don't

686
00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:04,040
Speaker 1: understand the saturation of it. Because I feel like I've

687
00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:07,040
Speaker 1: even had that conversation not just with white people. I've

688
00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:11,719
Speaker 1: also have that had that conversation with the bourgeois black community. Right,

689
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:15,439
Speaker 1: So people who are in situations where they've never lived

690
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:17,520
Speaker 1: in the hood or they've never lived in a working

691
00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:20,120
Speaker 1: class neighborhood, so they've never been around on a Friday

692
00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:23,200
Speaker 1: night when the officers are just sitting awaiting to right

693
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:25,760
Speaker 1: tickets to people, to grab people, to hope that people

694
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:28,840
Speaker 1: have something going wrong. Um, there was a lawsuit here

695
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:31,920
Speaker 1: in Atlanta in TWI where a bunch of police officers

696
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:35,400
Speaker 1: actually sued the county because the city, they said the

697
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:38,960
Speaker 1: county was requiring them to go to these marginalized communities

698
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:42,120
Speaker 1: and basically like create reasons to give people tickets so

699
00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:44,440
Speaker 1: that they can meet the budget bottom line. So but

700
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:46,440
Speaker 1: if you're not in the neighborhood where you're watching this

701
00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:49,520
Speaker 1: consistent harassment, then it doesn't seem real to you. Because

702
00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:51,399
Speaker 1: the thing is, we talk a lot about the people

703
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:54,360
Speaker 1: who have murdered, as we should, because those cases deserve

704
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:57,360
Speaker 1: justice and they deserve communication, or people are not talking

705
00:36:57,400 --> 00:37:00,160
Speaker 1: about are the daily indignities that people suffer at the

706
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:02,439
Speaker 1: hand of the police. I myself have been a victim

707
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:06,240
Speaker 1: of police brutality on two different occasions, and so um,

708
00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:09,919
Speaker 1: fortunately it doesn't it's not always fatal, but it's there

709
00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:15,040
Speaker 1: is a certain level of just consistent harassment about being judge,

710
00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:19,000
Speaker 1: jury and sometimes executioner in the streets, and then also

711
00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:23,280
Speaker 1: about handling one group one way and handling another group

712
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:25,240
Speaker 1: another way. The last time that I was a victim

713
00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:27,319
Speaker 1: of police brutality, I was in a car with a

714
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:30,319
Speaker 1: dear friend who's Latin X and you know, they took

715
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:33,479
Speaker 1: her identification, yet they still ran her through ice even

716
00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:36,520
Speaker 1: though she is even though she's a national, they still

717
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:38,440
Speaker 1: just to mess with her, rans her through ICE and

718
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:41,040
Speaker 1: detained her for hours. And so there's all of this

719
00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:44,640
Speaker 1: kind of stuff that's happening that that if it's not

720
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:48,239
Speaker 1: targeted at you, how would you know and you would

721
00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:50,000
Speaker 1: believe that we've got to be making it up right

722
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:53,440
Speaker 1: because your neighbors are companies nice? Do you think you

723
00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:56,719
Speaker 1: know we're I think the next step, right is for

724
00:37:56,760 --> 00:37:59,440
Speaker 1: a lot of people to understand how whites of how

725
00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:02,640
Speaker 1: pervasive white supremacy is, or basically that it's foundational to

726
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:06,040
Speaker 1: everything in this country. That to then move past it

727
00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:08,960
Speaker 1: right that we also have to begin, like you're saying,

728
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:11,319
Speaker 1: if we're gonna have these realizations right, if people are

729
00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:13,840
Speaker 1: going to say, like, wow O, our neighborhoods are over policed,

730
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:17,480
Speaker 1: what do you think the ability is or how much

731
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:20,160
Speaker 1: faith do you have because in people to really keep

732
00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:23,720
Speaker 1: this ball moving, because now you have the president uh

733
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:27,040
Speaker 1: handing out or decreeing with this very lukewarm it's not

734
00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:30,520
Speaker 1: even lukewarm, it's bullshit. It's bullshit. Reforms it's not it's

735
00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:33,319
Speaker 1: not anything. It's not anything. It's if anything, it's it's

736
00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:36,600
Speaker 1: nice for the police, and it's just reform. Because you

737
00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:39,040
Speaker 1: know around here, I've been, you know, I think everybody

738
00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:42,279
Speaker 1: shares the same feeling that reforms is just fancy talk

739
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:46,040
Speaker 1: for delaying equality and justice. That's all reforms to It's

740
00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:48,919
Speaker 1: just a delaying tactic, it's not moving to the point

741
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:51,440
Speaker 1: we're trying to get to. So when you see these

742
00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:53,959
Speaker 1: things where you know, I think a lot of people

743
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:56,200
Speaker 1: wanna say, wow, well, the president is calling for the

744
00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:59,120
Speaker 1: creation of a database of misconduct. So then that way

745
00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:01,880
Speaker 1: people will be on record if they're if they're violating

746
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:05,680
Speaker 1: people and committing these transgressions, or they will also maybe

747
00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:08,960
Speaker 1: add more social workers to the mix to be first responders.

748
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:12,200
Speaker 1: Do you think that do you think the next struggle

749
00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:14,359
Speaker 1: is really getting people to see that these are just

750
00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:18,400
Speaker 1: completely ineffective and do you I mean, how willing do

751
00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:20,680
Speaker 1: you feel people are to really begin to have these

752
00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:24,279
Speaker 1: sober conversations about what defunding and abolition looks like of

753
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:28,120
Speaker 1: our modern policing system. Um, I don't. I don't. I

754
00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:30,759
Speaker 1: don't think that people really are ready to have a

755
00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:33,040
Speaker 1: conversation in the way in which they're giving lips service

756
00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:35,480
Speaker 1: to it at this moment um. Because I think that

757
00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:37,560
Speaker 1: you see that in these types of plans that are

758
00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:40,240
Speaker 1: getting rolled out, right, so you're saying, create a database

759
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:43,239
Speaker 1: where you can see these these transactions that kind of

760
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:47,120
Speaker 1: almost semi already exists, right, So, Um, like you look

761
00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:51,520
Speaker 1: at the case of the police officer. Are the police

762
00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:54,239
Speaker 1: officers who were involved and pulling those kids out and

763
00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:57,680
Speaker 1: chasing them over at Clark Atlanta, Well, there was there

764
00:39:57,719 --> 00:39:59,720
Speaker 1: was a murder of a young man who was suffering

765
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:04,840
Speaker 1: from illness here um in Atlanta, in Jamarian Robinson, who

766
00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:07,920
Speaker 1: the officers put seventy six bullets in him. They fired

767
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:10,600
Speaker 1: over ninety rounds at him and seventy six bullets in

768
00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:13,840
Speaker 1: his body. Or one of the officers that was involved

769
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:16,680
Speaker 1: in the case with Jamarian Robinson, which his mother still

770
00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:20,160
Speaker 1: has not received, you know, any resolve for, was one

771
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:22,040
Speaker 1: of the officers who pulled those kids out of the car.

772
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:26,239
Speaker 1: That officer has already had several you know, trying he

773
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:30,640
Speaker 1: had has had several instances of misconduct that have been documented,

774
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:34,000
Speaker 1: that have been reported by the people that his superiors

775
00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:36,880
Speaker 1: and the union are aware of. Yet he was still

776
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:38,720
Speaker 1: in the force, and he was still in the streets

777
00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:42,560
Speaker 1: and able to harass somebody knew that night. So that

778
00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:45,680
Speaker 1: system is already in place. That's internal affairs. That's that's

779
00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:48,160
Speaker 1: already a system. So to pretend is if though it's

780
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:50,799
Speaker 1: the creation of something new, is comical. It's like, you know,

781
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:53,640
Speaker 1: you don't want to you don't want to change anything.

782
00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:56,680
Speaker 1: You're aware that the common the average American citizen is

783
00:40:56,719 --> 00:40:58,840
Speaker 1: not aware of the systems that are already in place.

784
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:01,040
Speaker 1: So you can push four the ones that are already

785
00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:03,880
Speaker 1: in place and say, look, we're gonna do these amazing,

786
00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:06,760
Speaker 1: awesome things. And it's like, these amazing awesome things already

787
00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:11,000
Speaker 1: exists and are already not working. And I'm onto you, sir, right,

788
00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:14,200
Speaker 1: do you think like we have that opportunity that I mean,

789
00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:16,640
Speaker 1: like you're saying, we're not ready to have that conversation.

790
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:18,920
Speaker 1: But it seems like a lot of people are willing

791
00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:22,360
Speaker 1: to at least acknowledge the pathology of white supremacy in

792
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:26,200
Speaker 1: this country and the idea that black bodies are a

793
00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:29,879
Speaker 1: threat and disposable as part of this conversation, because that's

794
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:34,920
Speaker 1: how police are viewing, uh, these any marginalized community, especially

795
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:37,880
Speaker 1: black and brown people in this country. But you know,

796
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:40,040
Speaker 1: it's still this thing where it's like, if we're talking

797
00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:43,520
Speaker 1: about the police, we're not actually talking about the greater issue,

798
00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:46,960
Speaker 1: because really it's it's this idea of how blackness is

799
00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:50,320
Speaker 1: viewed in this country, uh, and what the responsibility is

800
00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:54,320
Speaker 1: of white America in relation to that that like you know,

801
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:56,080
Speaker 1: I feel like everybody's trying to be like, yes, we're

802
00:41:56,080 --> 00:41:57,880
Speaker 1: almost there, We're almost there, but let's really have this,

803
00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:02,200
Speaker 1: let's really take this conversation to the next Yeah. Um,

804
00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:04,520
Speaker 1: I think that is the biggest issue. Right, The biggest

805
00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:07,120
Speaker 1: issue is not because you know, first of all, we

806
00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:11,480
Speaker 1: do need to reexamine this this notion that we're creating

807
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:14,520
Speaker 1: the warrior cop versus the guardian of the community. So

808
00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:17,239
Speaker 1: our system is designed to create that, right we you

809
00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:19,640
Speaker 1: you even look at this this amazing book that I

810
00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:22,960
Speaker 1: think everyone should read, um called Policing in the twenties

811
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:25,840
Speaker 1: first Century by Dr Cesar Alexander, who's a former police

812
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:29,480
Speaker 1: chief and he serves on Obama's Commission on Policing, And

813
00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:31,319
Speaker 1: what he talks about is the way in which we've

814
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:34,080
Speaker 1: changed in which how we are police. But even if

815
00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:36,640
Speaker 1: you look at the uniform form now versus the uniform

816
00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:40,120
Speaker 1: thirty or forty years ago, it's gone from a you know,

817
00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:44,319
Speaker 1: an actual police uniform to a military tactical uniform. And

818
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:47,200
Speaker 1: that even in terms of the way we advertise for

819
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:49,560
Speaker 1: people who want to join the police force, we're not

820
00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:52,640
Speaker 1: showing you know, the friendly officer getting a kitten out

821
00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:55,520
Speaker 1: of the tree. We're showing like, you know, a militarized

822
00:42:55,719 --> 00:42:57,839
Speaker 1: you know, commercial of like do you want to hunt

823
00:42:57,840 --> 00:42:59,440
Speaker 1: down the back guy? Do you want to be this war?

824
00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:02,640
Speaker 1: This war you're just chasing and shooting people and and

825
00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:05,480
Speaker 1: throwing grenades at people. And so we're enticing that kind

826
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:08,960
Speaker 1: of sentiment. So when you couple that with implicit bias

827
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:11,680
Speaker 1: and racism that is in this country, the combination of

828
00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:14,600
Speaker 1: the two of them, as we have seen, is deadly.

829
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:17,600
Speaker 1: And the notion that people have that racism is of

830
00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:20,680
Speaker 1: some something of the bygone past and that people don't

831
00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:23,160
Speaker 1: think about that you should probably pay attention to the

832
00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:25,920
Speaker 1: news and watch the sentiment of people. But also we

833
00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:28,640
Speaker 1: have to be realistic about the timeline. Right, so you're

834
00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:32,920
Speaker 1: thinking about you know, nine nineteen sixty five were lynchings

835
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:35,120
Speaker 1: were still commonplace, and there are pieces of that that

836
00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:38,719
Speaker 1: we don't discuss about how often people took children to

837
00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:43,320
Speaker 1: lynchings for for virtually for entertainment to watch people being lynched.

838
00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:46,520
Speaker 1: So if someone was, you know, ten years old in

839
00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:49,480
Speaker 1: nineteen sixty five, they're now sixty four, which means they

840
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:53,240
Speaker 1: could be a CEO, a officer, a congressman, a senator,

841
00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:57,800
Speaker 1: the local storekeep. So to think that this this, this,

842
00:43:57,800 --> 00:44:02,600
Speaker 1: this sentiment of black lives having no value has disappeared.

843
00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:06,560
Speaker 1: When people who were eye witnessed and participants and some

844
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:10,359
Speaker 1: of the worst atrocities of this nation, like lynching, are

845
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:14,080
Speaker 1: still at a young enough age to have the voice

846
00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:16,719
Speaker 1: and have the control and power on what's happening to

847
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:19,399
Speaker 1: us is insane. And it's like, what do you think

848
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:22,879
Speaker 1: they taught their kids? What conversations do you think they

849
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:25,960
Speaker 1: heard at their dinner table on Friday night? And so

850
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:30,280
Speaker 1: we have to start working at peeling about peeling back

851
00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:33,080
Speaker 1: the psychological effects of that. And a lot of people

852
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:34,959
Speaker 1: don't like it when I say this, but at this point,

853
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:37,839
Speaker 1: I'm over the adults. We're all rotten and no good

854
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:39,719
Speaker 1: and we've all been tainted. I think we need to

855
00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:43,719
Speaker 1: start focusing our energy on educating the next generation. We

856
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:47,680
Speaker 1: need to start having these in depth conversations, workshops and

857
00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:51,479
Speaker 1: and change making instances in schools, and I'm talking about

858
00:44:51,560 --> 00:44:54,240
Speaker 1: from middle school to high school to even the collegiate

859
00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:58,319
Speaker 1: level to say, okay, we all need to process the

860
00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:01,880
Speaker 1: trauma of white supremacy on both sides. And had people

861
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:04,560
Speaker 1: start to grapple with some feelings that they have inside

862
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:06,799
Speaker 1: of them, and they don't even exist because of what

863
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:09,359
Speaker 1: their parents have taught them or because of what their

864
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:14,560
Speaker 1: experiences have been. Absolutely, I mean one of the one

865
00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:17,800
Speaker 1: of the things that I mean, everything about your speech

866
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:19,960
Speaker 1: was so incredible and so powerful, But I think that

867
00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:23,319
Speaker 1: based on what I've seen and when I sent your

868
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:26,680
Speaker 1: speech to my own parents, it's a lot of what

869
00:45:26,719 --> 00:45:29,520
Speaker 1: I hear back is that, like you were saying earlier,

870
00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:32,759
Speaker 1: this is history that is not taught in schools, and

871
00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:36,480
Speaker 1: its history that I think, to some extent needs to

872
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:40,279
Speaker 1: be sought out, um, because it's it's just not on

873
00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:45,960
Speaker 1: the curriculum and finding. I mean, I'm aware and know

874
00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:50,240
Speaker 1: how on a state level and on on a national

875
00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:53,200
Speaker 1: level how they're such a stranglehold on what is taught

876
00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:55,520
Speaker 1: and who gets to write the history books and what

877
00:45:55,640 --> 00:45:59,640
Speaker 1: gets the wide distribution, and it it does seem like

878
00:45:59,719 --> 00:46:03,760
Speaker 1: the absolutely bare minimum that these need to be taught,

879
00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:08,080
Speaker 1: and not just um, events that have been erased, but

880
00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:11,279
Speaker 1: also uh, the way that I mean, we were talking

881
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:13,200
Speaker 1: about this a little bit on the show yesterday, where

882
00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:16,600
Speaker 1: the way I was taught when I was in in

883
00:46:16,719 --> 00:46:22,520
Speaker 1: school was that basically, uh, Martin Luther King solved racism,

884
00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:26,640
Speaker 1: and we don't really discuss um the circumstances that he

885
00:46:26,719 --> 00:46:29,560
Speaker 1: was murdered under and and the way that it's so

886
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:33,719
Speaker 1: glossed over that just you have generations and generations and

887
00:46:33,719 --> 00:46:38,960
Speaker 1: generations of people who have just been completely miseducated. Well,

888
00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:41,600
Speaker 1: let's say here it was the FBI that murdered him,

889
00:46:41,640 --> 00:46:44,880
Speaker 1: Like we had a whole trial and it was proven.

890
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:48,120
Speaker 1: And I mean, Jamie, I went to a all white school.

891
00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:50,600
Speaker 1: I all minorities in my community made up less than

892
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:54,160
Speaker 1: one percent of the population. I got the very same education,

893
00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:56,920
Speaker 1: except for the fact that I had black parents and

894
00:46:56,920 --> 00:46:59,760
Speaker 1: a black grandmother who cared that I knew Black history.

895
00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:04,279
Speaker 1: And so you know, finding that is often it's to

896
00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:06,560
Speaker 1: all of these points. Trying to educate the children is

897
00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:10,200
Speaker 1: so hard. When black history is relegated to just black people.

898
00:47:10,680 --> 00:47:13,040
Speaker 1: It's like, oh, you have a black museum, that's where

899
00:47:13,080 --> 00:47:16,080
Speaker 1: your history is. Oh you have um, you know, there's

900
00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:19,520
Speaker 1: an African festival happening, which is a racist e fact

901
00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:21,520
Speaker 1: that there are like a thousand cultures with on the

902
00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:23,920
Speaker 1: continent of Africa, and it blends it all into one.

903
00:47:24,080 --> 00:47:27,920
Speaker 1: Like trying to get ahold of black history even as

904
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:31,520
Speaker 1: a black person in America is work, and I think

905
00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:34,200
Speaker 1: it's going to take a lot of systemic change from

906
00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:35,920
Speaker 1: the way our schools around, from the fact that most

907
00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:37,680
Speaker 1: of our books come from one place in Texas and

908
00:47:37,719 --> 00:47:39,520
Speaker 1: they like to talk about how slaves are happy in

909
00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:43,400
Speaker 1: those books, like it's it's such it it feels like

910
00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:47,360
Speaker 1: an insurmountable mountain to climb just for us to understand

911
00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:49,720
Speaker 1: our own lineage in this country, which is crazy because

912
00:47:49,719 --> 00:47:53,200
Speaker 1: we built it. Yeah. On the irony too, is you know,

913
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:55,840
Speaker 1: to be stolen from Africa and then you're paying companies

914
00:47:55,880 --> 00:47:57,880
Speaker 1: like twenty three and me just to find out you

915
00:47:57,920 --> 00:47:59,960
Speaker 1: don't know where you come from, and then their turn

916
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:03,000
Speaker 1: of your information over to the police. So that's a

917
00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:06,000
Speaker 1: really vicious psycho And I think again, it feels insurmountable,

918
00:48:06,080 --> 00:48:09,959
Speaker 1: right because white supremacy is so pervasive. Every single thing

919
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:13,080
Speaker 1: we come into contact with is touched or built on

920
00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:17,000
Speaker 1: this ideology, so our educations are built on that. So

921
00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:20,520
Speaker 1: we have to completely that's a whole other reckoning that

922
00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:24,320
Speaker 1: has to happen with and within education, within banking, within

923
00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:27,560
Speaker 1: real estate, within labor. And I think that's why it's

924
00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:30,520
Speaker 1: important too for for people to think you could look

925
00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:32,600
Speaker 1: at this mountain of white supremacy like, oh, Mike, well,

926
00:48:32,600 --> 00:48:34,680
Speaker 1: how could we ever take this down? But a lot

927
00:48:34,719 --> 00:48:37,520
Speaker 1: of people who are focused in their areas where they

928
00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:40,080
Speaker 1: are at the levels, that's how this that's how this

929
00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:42,160
Speaker 1: gradual change happens much in the same way that a

930
00:48:42,239 --> 00:48:43,799
Speaker 1: lot of the people that are at the levels of

931
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:47,120
Speaker 1: power now are We're probably raised by people with very

932
00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:50,040
Speaker 1: questionable beliefs on racial equality. Those are the people who

933
00:48:50,040 --> 00:48:52,319
Speaker 1: have risen up now. It's a it's a matter of

934
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:55,399
Speaker 1: making sure that there's like mindedness in these other fields too.

935
00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:58,319
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's but it does show you at every level.

936
00:48:58,360 --> 00:49:01,200
Speaker 1: It's just white supremacies is something that experienced too. It's

937
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:02,920
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people also get caught up

938
00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:05,160
Speaker 1: in this idea that it's a it's an overt act,

939
00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:06,799
Speaker 1: like they, well, I'm not a clan and I'm not

940
00:49:06,840 --> 00:49:08,719
Speaker 1: a Nazi, and I didn't own slaves, so what do

941
00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:10,560
Speaker 1: I know about white supremacis no, no, no, no, no, no,

942
00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:12,799
Speaker 1: that's not what And again, I think people need to

943
00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:15,880
Speaker 1: understand about how that's experienced, and not even not just

944
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:19,360
Speaker 1: by people who are not white, but white people themselves.

945
00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:22,200
Speaker 1: White people have also been fed a steady diet of

946
00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:25,080
Speaker 1: you're always on a moral high ground. You shouldn't question

947
00:49:25,120 --> 00:49:28,520
Speaker 1: your worth. You're always doing okay. If you're against somebody,

948
00:49:28,600 --> 00:49:31,279
Speaker 1: chances are they're bad, and don't think much deeper into

949
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:33,640
Speaker 1: anything else, because we also wrote the history to sound

950
00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:37,080
Speaker 1: like you came to America, gave Native American people corn

951
00:49:37,120 --> 00:49:39,799
Speaker 1: and it was all Gucci. After that, it's you know,

952
00:49:40,120 --> 00:49:43,200
Speaker 1: it's it's also people have been failed on multiple levels

953
00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:45,319
Speaker 1: and now we're all seeing, you know, varying degrees of

954
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:47,680
Speaker 1: an awakening depending on how honest do you want to

955
00:49:47,680 --> 00:49:50,239
Speaker 1: be with yourself. Yeah, and I think that you know,

956
00:49:50,840 --> 00:49:54,040
Speaker 1: you know, growth comes from discomfort, right, And so people

957
00:49:54,040 --> 00:49:56,640
Speaker 1: don't want to be uncomfortable. Like people don't want to

958
00:49:56,760 --> 00:49:59,160
Speaker 1: let go of their comfort. They don't want to let

959
00:49:59,200 --> 00:50:01,399
Speaker 1: go of their prince it. They don't want to let

960
00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:04,560
Speaker 1: go of their traditions. Um, because you know, the old

961
00:50:04,560 --> 00:50:06,719
Speaker 1: saying is if you know better, you do better. But

962
00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:09,160
Speaker 1: people learn better and they're still so attached to the

963
00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:14,040
Speaker 1: traditions like thanks giving that they would rather be okay

964
00:50:14,160 --> 00:50:17,480
Speaker 1: with something that is the indicator of, like a slaughter

965
00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:20,160
Speaker 1: of an entire race, so that they can have their

966
00:50:20,160 --> 00:50:22,400
Speaker 1: Turkey and then you know, and then they can rewrite

967
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:24,200
Speaker 1: the history and say, well, you know, this is about

968
00:50:24,200 --> 00:50:27,480
Speaker 1: my family sharing and and and love, and we you know,

969
00:50:27,560 --> 00:50:29,520
Speaker 1: we put these narratives out to say, well this is

970
00:50:29,520 --> 00:50:32,480
Speaker 1: this is about family and community. No, this is about

971
00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:35,160
Speaker 1: the introduction of what was a genocide. That is what

972
00:50:35,239 --> 00:50:37,640
Speaker 1: this Thanksgiving is about. But if you prefire to have

973
00:50:37,719 --> 00:50:40,520
Speaker 1: your mashed potatoes because that's more comfortable for you, then

974
00:50:40,560 --> 00:50:42,480
Speaker 1: you go right ahead and slap a bunch of the

975
00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:47,799
Speaker 1: more you play. So it's like wanting breaking tradition and

976
00:50:47,840 --> 00:50:51,560
Speaker 1: wanting to be comfortable has become far more superior or

977
00:50:52,280 --> 00:50:55,719
Speaker 1: you know, need and desire for people than actually like

978
00:50:55,719 --> 00:50:57,600
Speaker 1: a living in the truth. And the truth is you

979
00:50:57,600 --> 00:50:59,920
Speaker 1: can create new traditions, you know what I'm saying, Like

980
00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:02,200
Speaker 1: you could get rid of Thanksgiving and we can all

981
00:51:02,239 --> 00:51:04,640
Speaker 1: celebrate festivals or whatever it is that we decided to

982
00:51:04,640 --> 00:51:07,880
Speaker 1: do um. But people don't want to do that. And

983
00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:10,160
Speaker 1: the other thing is, as long as you don't have

984
00:51:10,239 --> 00:51:13,759
Speaker 1: the information that informs how we got here, then you're

985
00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:16,800
Speaker 1: never gonna be understanding of how we got here. Again,

986
00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:19,920
Speaker 1: to Joel's point, like the amount of history that I

987
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:23,080
Speaker 1: learned about African American history, even learning about June teenth

988
00:51:23,400 --> 00:51:26,839
Speaker 1: and um and learning about Tulsa and things like that

989
00:51:27,320 --> 00:51:30,800
Speaker 1: I got. I went to an all black elementary school.

990
00:51:31,200 --> 00:51:33,360
Speaker 1: I went to diverse High school, but I went to

991
00:51:33,400 --> 00:51:35,920
Speaker 1: an all black elementary school, and I got like this

992
00:51:36,200 --> 00:51:39,120
Speaker 1: much of it even there, you know what I mean. Um.

993
00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:42,120
Speaker 1: And so the bulk and the and the big chunk,

994
00:51:42,200 --> 00:51:45,160
Speaker 1: a huge chunk that I did get was from one teacher.

995
00:51:45,520 --> 00:51:48,520
Speaker 1: I had one teacher who has had studied African American studies,

996
00:51:48,719 --> 00:51:51,120
Speaker 1: my eighth grade teacher, and she was like, she was like,

997
00:51:51,160 --> 00:51:54,160
Speaker 1: Black history is not just February. It's all year round,

998
00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:56,800
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna take money out of my own pocket

999
00:51:57,120 --> 00:52:00,480
Speaker 1: and go, you know, photo copy things from these books

1000
00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:03,239
Speaker 1: that I have and make sure you guys have all

1001
00:52:03,239 --> 00:52:06,280
Speaker 1: this information. So I learned a ton about Black history

1002
00:52:06,280 --> 00:52:09,040
Speaker 1: and eighth grade just because I had one wily teacher

1003
00:52:09,040 --> 00:52:12,680
Speaker 1: who was like, if the system this is what I'm doing, um,

1004
00:52:13,000 --> 00:52:15,560
Speaker 1: you know, And it's like without Mrs Lumpkin, I wouldn't

1005
00:52:15,560 --> 00:52:18,479
Speaker 1: have any of this information. I also was fortunate enough

1006
00:52:18,560 --> 00:52:21,759
Speaker 1: as as a child I grew up in Chicago. We

1007
00:52:21,800 --> 00:52:25,320
Speaker 1: have the Rainbow Coalition, which is a multicultural human rights organization.

1008
00:52:25,600 --> 00:52:27,839
Speaker 1: I went to an after school program there and then

1009
00:52:27,880 --> 00:52:30,320
Speaker 1: we have the Historic disable Museum, which is an African

1010
00:52:30,320 --> 00:52:33,880
Speaker 1: American museum, and I went to programming there. That is

1011
00:52:33,920 --> 00:52:37,440
Speaker 1: where I got all of my original information shout out too,

1012
00:52:37,600 --> 00:52:43,000
Speaker 1: That's where I got list of my early information exactly.

1013
00:52:43,239 --> 00:52:45,359
Speaker 1: So yeah, it's like, you know, there there are these

1014
00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:48,279
Speaker 1: private exterior spaces in which this information was given to me,

1015
00:52:48,640 --> 00:52:50,520
Speaker 1: but like, this should not just be given to me.

1016
00:52:51,120 --> 00:52:53,160
Speaker 1: So that means that in my neighborhood, I was walking

1017
00:52:53,160 --> 00:52:56,680
Speaker 1: around with all the information being like overly work woke

1018
00:52:56,760 --> 00:53:00,560
Speaker 1: at fourteen, and everyone else was in the dark. Well,

1019
00:53:00,680 --> 00:53:02,960
Speaker 1: you know, in a way, it's by design, because the

1020
00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:05,360
Speaker 1: more we become aware of these things. It's just I

1021
00:53:05,400 --> 00:53:07,879
Speaker 1: think most human beings are programmed at a certain level

1022
00:53:07,920 --> 00:53:10,760
Speaker 1: to know the difference between overt good or over evil.

1023
00:53:11,120 --> 00:53:12,960
Speaker 1: And when you put something like that in front of

1024
00:53:13,160 --> 00:53:14,839
Speaker 1: you know, a kid or someone, you would be like,

1025
00:53:15,080 --> 00:53:18,920
Speaker 1: why would anybody do that? Why would anybody? But but

1026
00:53:19,040 --> 00:53:22,960
Speaker 1: I think that ignorance allows people to you know, uh,

1027
00:53:23,200 --> 00:53:26,200
Speaker 1: not confront those harsh realities to a certain extent. And

1028
00:53:26,239 --> 00:53:29,759
Speaker 1: I think there's also you know, there's this level of

1029
00:53:29,800 --> 00:53:33,120
Speaker 1: not confronting the hypocrisy of whiteness sometimes that we see

1030
00:53:33,160 --> 00:53:35,920
Speaker 1: play out over and over and over again. Um and

1031
00:53:35,960 --> 00:53:38,960
Speaker 1: even now, like when you hear Roger Goodell of the

1032
00:53:39,080 --> 00:53:41,160
Speaker 1: NFL say, you know, he says, oh, if you know

1033
00:53:41,239 --> 00:53:43,719
Speaker 1: Colin Kaepernick quote, if he wants to resume his career

1034
00:53:43,719 --> 00:53:45,600
Speaker 1: in the NFL, then obviously it's going to take a

1035
00:53:45,640 --> 00:53:48,279
Speaker 1: team to make that decision. I welcome that, support the

1036
00:53:48,320 --> 00:53:52,080
Speaker 1: club making that decision, and encourage them to do that. Now.

1037
00:53:52,880 --> 00:53:55,680
Speaker 1: The but see, this is this is some of that's

1038
00:53:55,719 --> 00:53:59,839
Speaker 1: the that's the kind of craven hypocrisy that whiteness can

1039
00:54:00,040 --> 00:54:02,759
Speaker 1: yield you from where you can go. Because I don't

1040
00:54:02,760 --> 00:54:04,680
Speaker 1: know if you for if he forgot the last four

1041
00:54:04,760 --> 00:54:08,360
Speaker 1: years where he basically made sure this man had no career,

1042
00:54:08,640 --> 00:54:11,640
Speaker 1: and suddenly he's out here with his fist up saying, oh,

1043
00:54:11,760 --> 00:54:14,600
Speaker 1: I welcome him back. This is I think these are

1044
00:54:14,680 --> 00:54:17,840
Speaker 1: moments too that we all have to be prepared to

1045
00:54:18,120 --> 00:54:20,840
Speaker 1: be able to hold people to account for because this

1046
00:54:20,920 --> 00:54:23,200
Speaker 1: sort of like gas lighting of like oh, well, no

1047
00:54:23,320 --> 00:54:24,880
Speaker 1: I did right, I did right. It's like no, no,

1048
00:54:24,880 --> 00:54:29,000
Speaker 1: no, no no, no, you spent food. Yeah, you spent four

1049
00:54:29,120 --> 00:54:32,000
Speaker 1: years smearing this man and making sure he had no

1050
00:54:32,120 --> 00:54:35,080
Speaker 1: access to a livelihood that he was deserved. And then

1051
00:54:35,120 --> 00:54:37,040
Speaker 1: to go out here and say that you, oh, you

1052
00:54:37,080 --> 00:54:39,680
Speaker 1: support this. I think it's just, you know, we have

1053
00:54:39,840 --> 00:54:43,320
Speaker 1: to really begin. That's what I'm hoping a lot of people.

1054
00:54:43,719 --> 00:54:45,960
Speaker 1: You know, they're saying certain things out loud, but it's

1055
00:54:45,960 --> 00:54:49,240
Speaker 1: also important, especially for somebody who considers themselves an ally

1056
00:54:49,320 --> 00:54:51,319
Speaker 1: or you were invested in this fight for equality, to

1057
00:54:51,520 --> 00:54:55,360
Speaker 1: also understand that you need to hold these structures accountable

1058
00:54:55,520 --> 00:54:58,799
Speaker 1: and in some instances we need to wholly dismantle them. Um.

1059
00:54:58,880 --> 00:55:01,200
Speaker 1: And we need people to read consider what it looks

1060
00:55:01,239 --> 00:55:04,000
Speaker 1: like to be called out. So many people be like, oh,

1061
00:55:04,200 --> 00:55:06,480
Speaker 1: you're being mean to these people. They don't know your

1062
00:55:06,520 --> 00:55:09,680
Speaker 1: ignorance is not our problem, Like you not knowing at

1063
00:55:09,719 --> 00:55:12,640
Speaker 1: this point what black people have been through, like and

1064
00:55:12,719 --> 00:55:15,680
Speaker 1: especially I think it's so frustrating, particularly to millennials at

1065
00:55:15,719 --> 00:55:17,839
Speaker 1: this point in time, Like we went through this five

1066
00:55:17,920 --> 00:55:20,360
Speaker 1: years ago, like and to me that felt like a

1067
00:55:20,360 --> 00:55:23,279
Speaker 1: big moment, Like I recognized as I looked around, you know,

1068
00:55:23,400 --> 00:55:25,279
Speaker 1: in protests and things like who was there and who

1069
00:55:25,360 --> 00:55:28,239
Speaker 1: wasn't there, it was clear, but like that was the

1070
00:55:28,360 --> 00:55:30,359
Speaker 1: end of the line for being like we we don't

1071
00:55:30,400 --> 00:55:32,080
Speaker 1: know what's going on. We don't know what's happening to

1072
00:55:32,160 --> 00:55:34,200
Speaker 1: your rights. Was twelve and was shot in four seconds

1073
00:55:34,200 --> 00:55:36,440
Speaker 1: at a park. That guy still works as a police officer.

1074
00:55:36,760 --> 00:55:38,880
Speaker 1: I don't have time to be nice to you or

1075
00:55:38,920 --> 00:55:43,200
Speaker 1: to kindly explain why my life has value or why

1076
00:55:43,480 --> 00:55:46,760
Speaker 1: it sucks that we have a sea of diversity initiatives

1077
00:55:46,800 --> 00:55:49,000
Speaker 1: being led by black people, which is essentially twelve hours

1078
00:55:49,000 --> 00:55:50,719
Speaker 1: more on our week of work that we have to do. Like,

1079
00:55:50,960 --> 00:55:53,239
Speaker 1: it is crazy the amount of work black people have

1080
00:55:53,280 --> 00:55:55,400
Speaker 1: already done. So for you to also then be upset

1081
00:55:55,520 --> 00:55:58,799
Speaker 1: that we're pissed, who can who can coddle you more

1082
00:55:58,880 --> 00:56:01,600
Speaker 1: than this? This is another layer, another shield of whiteness

1083
00:56:01,600 --> 00:56:06,120
Speaker 1: protecting you. And it's exhausting. It is so exhausting, Lord,

1084
00:56:06,160 --> 00:56:12,319
Speaker 1: it's exhausting, so exhausting, and and and just like to

1085
00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:16,640
Speaker 1: your point, like willful ignorance, um and and and to me,

1086
00:56:16,760 --> 00:56:20,759
Speaker 1: sometimes malicious intent that you have set up that you

1087
00:56:20,800 --> 00:56:22,640
Speaker 1: feel like you can back out of, because don't even

1088
00:56:22,680 --> 00:56:28,680
Speaker 1: get me started on Donald Trump going to Tulsa on junetee. Yeah, son,

1089
00:56:29,000 --> 00:56:31,440
Speaker 1: well yeah, the most he did was realized, Okay, that's

1090
00:56:31,480 --> 00:56:34,000
Speaker 1: too hot, So we'll do it on the twenty. That's

1091
00:56:34,040 --> 00:56:36,480
Speaker 1: the most they could do. But I mean it shows

1092
00:56:36,480 --> 00:56:38,960
Speaker 1: you that this country is evolving at about maybe four

1093
00:56:39,040 --> 00:56:42,000
Speaker 1: or five different speeds. You know. One important thing everyone

1094
00:56:42,000 --> 00:56:43,880
Speaker 1: brings up is this this idea of like what we

1095
00:56:43,960 --> 00:56:46,000
Speaker 1: even read in school, Like I don't think I read

1096
00:56:46,040 --> 00:56:49,040
Speaker 1: a book about a black person, maybe until To Kill

1097
00:56:49,040 --> 00:56:52,200
Speaker 1: a Mockingbird was the first time that was my Oh no,

1098
00:56:52,320 --> 00:56:55,840
Speaker 1: maybe Tom Sawyer. And even then we're using racial epithets.

1099
00:56:55,880 --> 00:56:57,319
Speaker 1: And then my teachers trying to tell me, well, that's

1100
00:56:57,320 --> 00:57:00,560
Speaker 1: a different time. And Mark m and luckily my dad

1101
00:57:00,920 --> 00:57:04,120
Speaker 1: being an artist, black radical, you know, college that he's

1102
00:57:04,200 --> 00:57:06,480
Speaker 1: he was like he had to put native son into

1103
00:57:06,520 --> 00:57:09,839
Speaker 1: my hands and say, read this because you're not going

1104
00:57:09,880 --> 00:57:12,319
Speaker 1: to learn about this at your school. And then you're

1105
00:57:12,320 --> 00:57:14,800
Speaker 1: gonna look weird because yes, I went to a predominantly

1106
00:57:14,800 --> 00:57:17,880
Speaker 1: white school. I can't talk to anybody my age about that.

1107
00:57:17,920 --> 00:57:20,720
Speaker 1: And the damn know, like another twelve year old knows

1108
00:57:20,840 --> 00:57:24,120
Speaker 1: what I could possibly be processing and hearing the stories

1109
00:57:24,120 --> 00:57:28,160
Speaker 1: of my grandparents, my uncles, whatever. Um, how important it

1110
00:57:28,200 --> 00:57:30,600
Speaker 1: is to get this like literature in people's hands. And

1111
00:57:30,600 --> 00:57:34,280
Speaker 1: and Kimberly, you are an author, um, and your book

1112
00:57:34,480 --> 00:57:36,959
Speaker 1: that you wrote, that you co wrote I'm Not Dying

1113
00:57:36,960 --> 00:57:38,560
Speaker 1: with You to now you wrote that sort of on

1114
00:57:38,960 --> 00:57:42,800
Speaker 1: with the backdrop of the of the Freddie Gray Uprising

1115
00:57:42,880 --> 00:57:47,760
Speaker 1: in UM. And I've heard you, you know, I've I've

1116
00:57:47,800 --> 00:57:50,400
Speaker 1: I've I've read interviews with you before and I've and

1117
00:57:50,440 --> 00:57:52,840
Speaker 1: I've watched some of your interviews as well. And there's

1118
00:57:52,880 --> 00:57:55,280
Speaker 1: an interesting thing I've I've heard you bring up about,

1119
00:57:55,800 --> 00:57:58,960
Speaker 1: you know, when people I've heard a lot of well

1120
00:57:59,040 --> 00:58:01,440
Speaker 1: intentioned book saying like, and you know, what's the role

1121
00:58:01,480 --> 00:58:03,280
Speaker 1: of race in this book? And like how do you

1122
00:58:03,280 --> 00:58:06,720
Speaker 1: guys tackle race? And you you very calmly explain, You're like,

1123
00:58:06,800 --> 00:58:10,240
Speaker 1: I think we're trying. It's about perspective. It's about changing

1124
00:58:10,360 --> 00:58:14,440
Speaker 1: perspective versus versus this concept of changing how do we

1125
00:58:14,520 --> 00:58:18,720
Speaker 1: change people's attitudes around race? Um, how do you can

1126
00:58:18,760 --> 00:58:20,320
Speaker 1: you just kind of break that down a little bit,

1127
00:58:20,320 --> 00:58:22,320
Speaker 1: because I think that's really a really nuanced but an

1128
00:58:22,320 --> 00:58:27,080
Speaker 1: important point. Yeah. I think that are our lived experiences

1129
00:58:27,120 --> 00:58:30,120
Speaker 1: inform how we react to things, how we see things,

1130
00:58:30,120 --> 00:58:33,680
Speaker 1: and how we view things. So when you're in these moments, um,

1131
00:58:33,720 --> 00:58:37,400
Speaker 1: even if you're a horrible racist jerk, that perspective that

1132
00:58:37,480 --> 00:58:40,520
Speaker 1: you have is informed by your life experiences, by your

1133
00:58:40,560 --> 00:58:44,080
Speaker 1: lived experiences, So the same way in which you could

1134
00:58:44,080 --> 00:58:47,400
Speaker 1: have someone, um, listen, there there are I'm gonna be

1135
00:58:47,440 --> 00:58:49,400
Speaker 1: honest with you, there are some some black people in

1136
00:58:49,440 --> 00:58:51,760
Speaker 1: this world right now that I'm like, what are you

1137
00:58:51,800 --> 00:58:54,040
Speaker 1: talking about? You sound crazy? We would like to trade

1138
00:58:54,080 --> 00:59:00,560
Speaker 1: you for the best wife because you we want you

1139
00:59:00,880 --> 00:59:05,720
Speaker 1: off the team. Um, but so, and that's their lived experience, right,

1140
00:59:05,800 --> 00:59:10,160
Speaker 1: that's their perspective, based on their relationships, based on their viewpoints,

1141
00:59:10,200 --> 00:59:12,120
Speaker 1: based on who have been there around, based on some

1142
00:59:12,160 --> 00:59:15,280
Speaker 1: of their own self loathing, all of that, and so

1143
00:59:15,360 --> 00:59:17,000
Speaker 1: we were what we wanted to do with the book

1144
00:59:17,000 --> 00:59:21,000
Speaker 1: was give to very specific perspectives. I intentionally wrote Lena

1145
00:59:21,320 --> 00:59:23,600
Speaker 1: the Black Girl because it's two girls who survived the

1146
00:59:23,720 --> 00:59:26,120
Speaker 1: night in race riots to seventeen year old girls. One

1147
00:59:26,160 --> 00:59:29,080
Speaker 1: is black, one is white. And I intentionally wrote Lena

1148
00:59:29,200 --> 00:59:32,320
Speaker 1: as like a hood chick because I was like, I

1149
00:59:32,360 --> 00:59:37,000
Speaker 1: can't see anybody being better equipped to survive a riot

1150
00:59:37,040 --> 00:59:39,840
Speaker 1: than a little hood girl, right because her lived experience

1151
00:59:40,080 --> 00:59:43,200
Speaker 1: has had her to endure some situations and have to

1152
00:59:43,240 --> 00:59:46,160
Speaker 1: survive in some situations. That is gonna make her skin

1153
00:59:46,200 --> 00:59:48,560
Speaker 1: a little bit tougher make I mean, she's she's not

1154
00:59:48,600 --> 00:59:51,520
Speaker 1: gonna flinch at certain things. There are gonna be moments

1155
00:59:51,560 --> 00:59:53,560
Speaker 1: of things that are coming at her that by design

1156
00:59:53,720 --> 00:59:57,320
Speaker 1: won't make her weary. And she's gonna have an understanding

1157
00:59:57,320 --> 00:59:59,920
Speaker 1: of that community in that neighborhood and know how to navigate,

1158
01:00:00,080 --> 01:00:02,520
Speaker 1: and she's gonna have some allies along the way. But

1159
01:00:02,600 --> 01:00:04,840
Speaker 1: this white girl with her is not gonna have. And

1160
01:00:04,880 --> 01:00:07,600
Speaker 1: so also because I've worked with a lot of little

1161
01:00:07,600 --> 01:00:10,920
Speaker 1: girls um that people will call hood or ghetto, and

1162
01:00:10,920 --> 01:00:12,720
Speaker 1: they don't get to see themselves on the page, and

1163
01:00:12,760 --> 01:00:14,840
Speaker 1: so I wanted them to see themselves. Not only did

1164
01:00:14,880 --> 01:00:16,280
Speaker 1: I want them to see themselves on the page, but

1165
01:00:16,280 --> 01:00:18,160
Speaker 1: I wanted them to see themselves as the hero of

1166
01:00:18,200 --> 01:00:19,960
Speaker 1: the story on the page. And I got a lot

1167
01:00:19,960 --> 01:00:21,919
Speaker 1: of push back from that. Y'all should read my Curtus review.

1168
01:00:21,960 --> 01:00:23,920
Speaker 1: It basically like, wipe your butt with this book. But

1169
01:00:24,480 --> 01:00:28,280
Speaker 1: my point was I wanted to show perspective because perspective

1170
01:00:28,360 --> 01:00:31,760
Speaker 1: is very important because although these girls are black and white,

1171
01:00:31,760 --> 01:00:34,080
Speaker 1: and you get to see how differently they handle the

1172
01:00:34,200 --> 01:00:36,080
Speaker 1: night and they view the night, there's a lot of

1173
01:00:36,200 --> 01:00:39,480
Speaker 1: moments where they see the night exactly the same but

1174
01:00:39,600 --> 01:00:44,280
Speaker 1: that's because you're talking about a female or female presenting perspective,

1175
01:00:44,560 --> 01:00:48,160
Speaker 1: and that omnipresent threat to the feminine form is something

1176
01:00:48,200 --> 01:00:50,760
Speaker 1: that they connect on, and that's what they connect on,

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01:00:50,800 --> 01:00:53,680
Speaker 1: and they know that as girls they are stronger together.

1178
01:00:53,800 --> 01:00:56,240
Speaker 1: I always say if the if if even one of

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01:00:56,240 --> 01:00:59,120
Speaker 1: the characters was male or male presenting, the book would

1180
01:00:59,120 --> 01:01:01,400
Speaker 1: have ended it like Chap or two. It's a different

1181
01:01:01,400 --> 01:01:05,120
Speaker 1: experience for two girls to navigate their way through a

1182
01:01:05,120 --> 01:01:08,440
Speaker 1: tumultuous night. And again, that's all about perspective, because had

1183
01:01:08,480 --> 01:01:13,040
Speaker 1: I put Lena the African American character, had I put

1184
01:01:13,080 --> 01:01:16,080
Speaker 1: her with a white male, um, they probably wouldn't have

1185
01:01:16,120 --> 01:01:21,160
Speaker 1: had much much similar perspective at all at any point. UM.

1186
01:01:21,240 --> 01:01:25,280
Speaker 1: So it's how we view the world. It's based on

1187
01:01:25,320 --> 01:01:27,640
Speaker 1: our lived experience, and a big chunk of our lived

1188
01:01:27,680 --> 01:01:30,160
Speaker 1: experience is the bullshit that's passed down to us by

1189
01:01:30,200 --> 01:01:33,680
Speaker 1: our parents and our grandparents, those conversations, which is why

1190
01:01:33,720 --> 01:01:38,200
Speaker 1: I made Lena being raised by her grandfather and not

1191
01:01:38,320 --> 01:01:41,160
Speaker 1: a parent, because that means she's being raised by someone

1192
01:01:41,200 --> 01:01:43,440
Speaker 1: would have who would have survived Jim Crow, and he

1193
01:01:43,480 --> 01:01:46,720
Speaker 1: would have given her a very specific viewpoint on the world.

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01:01:48,080 --> 01:01:50,560
Speaker 1: When I just hear you even talk about that. It's like,

1195
01:01:50,680 --> 01:01:53,720
Speaker 1: I think of how much the books or the things

1196
01:01:53,760 --> 01:01:57,440
Speaker 1: that we're told or literature or whatever are so uh

1197
01:01:57,520 --> 01:02:00,840
Speaker 1: they completely like skew our idea of what you know

1198
01:02:01,000 --> 01:02:03,280
Speaker 1: the world can be at times. So I think that's

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01:02:03,320 --> 01:02:07,960
Speaker 1: really yeah to anybody. Uh, if you love y A especially,

1200
01:02:07,960 --> 01:02:10,640
Speaker 1: please check out Kimberly's work too, because I know you're

1201
01:02:10,640 --> 01:02:14,600
Speaker 1: a big y A fan too huge. That's I am

1202
01:02:14,640 --> 01:02:16,960
Speaker 1: not an adult in my mind, And that's all I

1203
01:02:17,280 --> 01:02:22,920
Speaker 1: was like, does it did it naturally? Did you and

1204
01:02:23,000 --> 01:02:26,440
Speaker 1: your writing like activism? Did it all kind of swirl

1205
01:02:26,520 --> 01:02:28,680
Speaker 1: together once you always kind of knew you wanted to write.

1206
01:02:28,760 --> 01:02:30,120
Speaker 1: Was it something else? Because I know you had you

1207
01:02:30,200 --> 01:02:32,240
Speaker 1: also have a background and working in TV and film

1208
01:02:32,280 --> 01:02:37,560
Speaker 1: as well. Mm hmmm, yeah. It grew simultaneously because I

1209
01:02:37,640 --> 01:02:40,480
Speaker 1: started going to like after school programs at PUSH when

1210
01:02:40,480 --> 01:02:42,400
Speaker 1: I was as young as like ten years old. I like,

1211
01:02:43,080 --> 01:02:45,520
Speaker 1: cuse Ronald Reagan out on National TV when I was

1212
01:02:45,560 --> 01:02:48,640
Speaker 1: six and I had a lot of words for him

1213
01:02:48,680 --> 01:02:50,960
Speaker 1: about the war when I was six years old, And

1214
01:02:51,000 --> 01:02:53,360
Speaker 1: so my my mom made a post on Facebook after

1215
01:02:53,400 --> 01:02:55,720
Speaker 1: the video went Viralin was like, so my child's been

1216
01:02:55,760 --> 01:02:59,000
Speaker 1: doing this and she was six, so there's no pride

1217
01:02:59,440 --> 01:03:02,360
Speaker 1: here at all. She basically went the equivalent of viral

1218
01:03:02,400 --> 01:03:04,600
Speaker 1: back then when she was sick telling the President she

1219
01:03:04,600 --> 01:03:08,880
Speaker 1: didn't agreeways war and his war taxics. Um So where

1220
01:03:08,960 --> 01:03:11,640
Speaker 1: people are. My team is like actively trying to find

1221
01:03:11,680 --> 01:03:14,000
Speaker 1: that clip because it wasn't national news, so we're trying

1222
01:03:14,000 --> 01:03:15,920
Speaker 1: to figure out where it was. Ageather. They stopped my sister,

1223
01:03:16,320 --> 01:03:18,320
Speaker 1: who was a teenager at the time, and asked her

1224
01:03:18,320 --> 01:03:20,440
Speaker 1: her pain, and she's very shy and she kind of

1225
01:03:20,480 --> 01:03:22,040
Speaker 1: clammed up, and I was like, I'll take the mic.

1226
01:03:22,520 --> 01:03:29,240
Speaker 1: So um um. So It's kind of been my journey

1227
01:03:29,280 --> 01:03:31,400
Speaker 1: my life. I've always known that I wanted to be

1228
01:03:31,440 --> 01:03:33,880
Speaker 1: a writer. I was that kid that carried it, that

1229
01:03:34,000 --> 01:03:37,120
Speaker 1: was like socially awkward and just carried around my notebook

1230
01:03:37,160 --> 01:03:40,520
Speaker 1: to keep my thoughts and my feelings. Um and there. Also,

1231
01:03:40,560 --> 01:03:41,720
Speaker 1: when I was younger, I thought I was gonna be

1232
01:03:41,760 --> 01:03:44,240
Speaker 1: a rapper. So when I was like thirteen, I started

1233
01:03:44,240 --> 01:03:46,560
Speaker 1: a rap group. Um was that thirteen? I can't remember

1234
01:03:46,560 --> 01:03:48,280
Speaker 1: how it was, but it was definitely like middle school.

1235
01:03:48,320 --> 01:03:49,600
Speaker 1: I started a rap group with a bunch of my

1236
01:03:49,640 --> 01:03:52,080
Speaker 1: friends who didn't wrap and didn't write rap. So what

1237
01:03:52,120 --> 01:03:55,280
Speaker 1: I did was I wrote everybody's wraps and like them

1238
01:03:55,280 --> 01:03:57,680
Speaker 1: out to them and be like, Okay, this is the song.

1239
01:03:58,120 --> 01:04:00,840
Speaker 1: Now let's get ready to perform it at the Talent ship. Um.

1240
01:04:01,960 --> 01:04:06,880
Speaker 1: So I've always words, and I've always had a great

1241
01:04:06,880 --> 01:04:10,640
Speaker 1: concern primarily predominantly for my people, but really for me

1242
01:04:10,720 --> 01:04:12,880
Speaker 1: for poor people. I have a special place in my

1243
01:04:12,960 --> 01:04:15,880
Speaker 1: heart for poor people. I grew up working class, so

1244
01:04:15,920 --> 01:04:18,160
Speaker 1: we weren't poor, but the neighborhood I grew up in

1245
01:04:18,320 --> 01:04:21,360
Speaker 1: Chicago was tracked by the hood, you know what I mean.

1246
01:04:21,440 --> 01:04:23,920
Speaker 1: So I couldn't escape the ills of what was going

1247
01:04:23,960 --> 01:04:25,480
Speaker 1: on in the hood because I walked four blocks in

1248
01:04:25,480 --> 01:04:29,240
Speaker 1: either direction and there was gangs and and and drugs

1249
01:04:29,280 --> 01:04:32,680
Speaker 1: and poverty. And when I I went to three high schools,

1250
01:04:32,680 --> 01:04:34,320
Speaker 1: and the second high school that I went to, all

1251
01:04:34,320 --> 01:04:37,680
Speaker 1: those kids went there. And so I'm a fan of

1252
01:04:37,720 --> 01:04:40,400
Speaker 1: the Panthers, which I know is like radical and extreme

1253
01:04:40,520 --> 01:04:42,440
Speaker 1: to say, but I'm a fan of the Panthers and

1254
01:04:42,480 --> 01:04:44,640
Speaker 1: their systems and who they were looking out for. And

1255
01:04:44,680 --> 01:04:47,560
Speaker 1: contrary to popular belief, they really were concerned about the proletariat.

1256
01:04:47,760 --> 01:04:52,000
Speaker 1: They really were concerned about the working poor. And you know,

1257
01:04:52,880 --> 01:04:54,840
Speaker 1: we have to be concerned about the least of them.

1258
01:04:55,000 --> 01:04:56,960
Speaker 1: We have to be concerned about the least of them,

1259
01:04:57,000 --> 01:05:00,240
Speaker 1: because if if we say we're at great nation ship

1260
01:05:00,600 --> 01:05:02,840
Speaker 1: and we have people in this country who are food

1261
01:05:02,840 --> 01:05:07,800
Speaker 1: and secure and who don't have money to go to

1262
01:05:07,880 --> 01:05:14,520
Speaker 1: get help for mental health, that's a problem. That's a problem.

1263
01:05:14,640 --> 01:05:17,880
Speaker 1: And we've built this system that's like the rich will

1264
01:05:17,880 --> 01:05:20,040
Speaker 1: get rich and the poor will get poor, and it's

1265
01:05:20,040 --> 01:05:23,080
Speaker 1: just getting worse and where and it's allowing us to

1266
01:05:23,080 --> 01:05:26,240
Speaker 1: pit ourselves against each other when it's like no, no, no, no, no, no,

1267
01:05:26,400 --> 01:05:29,280
Speaker 1: poor people, we need to rally together. And by poor

1268
01:05:29,320 --> 01:05:31,080
Speaker 1: people off, I mean the middle class because you are

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Speaker 1: about to be bored in like ten seconds. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: think middle class are the people who believe the uh

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Speaker 1: illusion of like gaining going to the one percent the

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Speaker 1: most because it's like almost right there, it's like oh no, no, no,

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Speaker 1: almost do it. Let me, but let me preserve this

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Speaker 1: socio economic structure so that I might may one day

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Speaker 1: enter it as well. And I think again, it goes

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Speaker 1: back to the point, like every great movement um or

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Speaker 1: when movements are kneecapped in this country, it's when people

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Speaker 1: start connecting the dots between capitalism white supremacy, and how

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01:06:03,640 --> 01:06:05,960
Speaker 1: if everybody can get on the same page, that would

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Speaker 1: really really upset the existing power structure. So maybe that's

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Speaker 1: something everybody can read up on. Kimberly, thank you so

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Speaker 1: much for joining us. Uh. Well, we'll link to some

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Speaker 1: of your work and to your social media handles so

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Speaker 1: people can follow you. Uh, ladies and gentlemen and non

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Speaker 1: binary friends, please let's say farewell to the wonderful Kimberly Jones. Yes,

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Speaker 1: I will be back. Thank you guys for having me.

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Speaker 1: All right, all right, so let's take a quick break

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Speaker 1: and we'll be right back. And we're back. And I

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Speaker 1: figured this is a great group as any to talk

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Speaker 1: about this with for two people very interested in film

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Speaker 1: for me, Uh, just like I dabble, I dabble, I

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Speaker 1: dabble in the film critiquing, Uh, not as much as

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Speaker 1: the two of you. But the oscars have announced that

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Speaker 1: they are going to uh they're gonna push back, just

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01:07:02,560 --> 01:07:05,400
Speaker 1: postponed it a couple of weeks, but they're still going

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Speaker 1: to have some oscars and the I guess the eligibility

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Speaker 1: window will be extended, so worry not. Uh. It's like

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Speaker 1: or Sonic, I don't know. I don't, I Joel, what

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Speaker 1: do you think. I'm just like, I don't. Is it

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Speaker 1: really going to make that much of a difference. It's

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Speaker 1: not like people can't make more stuff right now. That's

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01:07:26,200 --> 01:07:29,000
Speaker 1: like the issue. Like it's not like, oh, this will

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01:07:29,000 --> 01:07:32,200
Speaker 1: bias time to make things like you can't. Okay. So

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Speaker 1: if I look at it from a couple of perspectives

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Speaker 1: as somebody who's done a lot of festivals and it

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Speaker 1: is aware of the work that a lot of filmmakers

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Speaker 1: do four festivals, I know there are a ton of

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Speaker 1: films in the can that are ready to be released.

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Speaker 1: I know festivals are considering doing these like online festivals

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01:07:45,280 --> 01:07:49,080
Speaker 1: is a way of like keeping things going but removing contact.

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Speaker 1: So I see that there are the possibilities of it.

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Speaker 1: My problem is we're about to have a huge explosion

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01:07:55,640 --> 01:07:58,000
Speaker 1: in cases because none of the city's flatlined, like we

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01:07:58,080 --> 01:07:59,880
Speaker 1: do what we're supposed to do in quarantine. So we

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01:08:00,120 --> 01:08:02,640
Speaker 1: understand that there's going to be a hug. We can't

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01:08:02,640 --> 01:08:05,040
Speaker 1: avoid it. It's gonna happen, which means we're going to

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Speaker 1: be in quarantine for much longer um, which means you

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Speaker 1: stop pausing for a couple of weeks. It just seems

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01:08:12,000 --> 01:08:14,640
Speaker 1: also way too early that you're not until next year,

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01:08:14,720 --> 01:08:17,440
Speaker 1: like chill a bro, Like, maybe give us an announcement

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Speaker 1: in event, because there's nothing the academy really needs to

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Speaker 1: be doing, Like you have the space that's secure, No

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01:08:22,360 --> 01:08:24,759
Speaker 1: one's worried about that. You guys have the funds. You're fine.

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Speaker 1: You're gonna watch the movies or you aren't. You can

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Speaker 1: probably decide that within about four or five months of

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Speaker 1: the festival or of the show. And I think we're

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Speaker 1: still two months away from that yet because we usually

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Speaker 1: airs in February. So I feel like, take an EU,

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Speaker 1: read the room. No one really cares about awards and

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Speaker 1: your fans addresses U. Y'all gave Green Book an Oscar.

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Speaker 1: You messed it up when Moonlight one h They gave

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Speaker 1: Crash an Oscar. Come on the best picture Oscar? Like,

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Speaker 1: I don't even know what was happening with you guys

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01:08:56,040 --> 01:08:58,240
Speaker 1: yet never gave Spike Lee has come up ands until

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01:08:58,240 --> 01:09:01,400
Speaker 1: he was away older at doing like not his best way?

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Speaker 1: What are we doing here? Um? I think oscars could

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Speaker 1: take a seat, maybe listen, learn some things, and then

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01:09:07,000 --> 01:09:09,719
Speaker 1: maybe come back with that. You just nominated a known

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01:09:09,760 --> 01:09:13,640
Speaker 1: assaulter for your like Board of Governors. I think I

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01:09:13,720 --> 01:09:18,640
Speaker 1: hate them. It's there are just like the list is

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01:09:18,720 --> 01:09:22,680
Speaker 1: infinite of how many more productive announcements they could have

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01:09:22,840 --> 01:09:28,960
Speaker 1: made the work that they have to do at the

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Speaker 1: bottom of the list. Actually, you'd think if you were there,

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01:09:31,400 --> 01:09:33,559
Speaker 1: pr like, don't talk about this until you've gotten through

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01:09:33,640 --> 01:09:37,240
Speaker 1: these other things, please, right, like literally do a thing

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01:09:37,400 --> 01:09:41,040
Speaker 1: like I don't know if we nominated Eva, They're good,

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01:09:41,320 --> 01:09:44,760
Speaker 1: that's fine, that was their good deed of the likes,

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Speaker 1: which is incredible, But it's also like, okay, but what

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Speaker 1: about everything else, Like it doesn't erase everything else. I

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01:09:54,200 --> 01:09:56,479
Speaker 1: think that's the thing that we see right that there's

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01:09:56,520 --> 01:10:00,880
Speaker 1: this uh class of people that are in power that

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01:10:00,920 --> 01:10:03,439
Speaker 1: are doing everything they can to kind of advance the

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Speaker 1: conversation past this moment where it's like, Okay, it's great,

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Speaker 1: Ava Duverney, great, she's there right where everyone's good. You see,

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01:10:10,200 --> 01:10:12,760
Speaker 1: we got it, good, we get it, we're moving forward. Great. Also,

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Speaker 1: the oscars were also putting a date down because this

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Speaker 1: we have to make the money off of this award

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Speaker 1: show because the ad dollar. I'm telling you all, like,

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01:10:19,160 --> 01:10:22,479
Speaker 1: don't we can't miss this check. Because I know, it's

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01:10:22,479 --> 01:10:26,600
Speaker 1: a huge, huge revenue revenue opportunity for them too, And

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Speaker 1: it's just weird to see this, like like why even

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Speaker 1: talk about it in a way. I just wish we

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Speaker 1: could just be like, you know, the Oscars, you don't

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Speaker 1: have to come back. You guys weren't given out the

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01:10:35,600 --> 01:10:38,040
Speaker 1: awards properly anyway, so it just became like a thing,

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Speaker 1: like a box to tick for your vanity if you

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Speaker 1: were like in a certain industry. Because after at a

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Speaker 1: certain point, like it became very clear that the body

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Speaker 1: of voters was not able to actually have a good

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Speaker 1: opinion on like what a good movie was or good

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Speaker 1: work of art was. And it's very rare to like

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Speaker 1: go away from an award show like that and be like,

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Speaker 1: I think everyone was generally generally thought that that was

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Speaker 1: a meritocracy and that was that seemed fair, Like that

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01:11:04,840 --> 01:11:07,760
Speaker 1: just doesn't who gives it? Who gives a fun you know,

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Speaker 1: be interesting to your point, Joel about festivals coming online,

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Speaker 1: Like if festivals collaborated with these streaming platforms that already

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01:11:15,360 --> 01:11:19,920
Speaker 1: had gigantic audiences, so like you could already just be like, dude,

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Speaker 1: these are amazing films and then that way you can

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Speaker 1: suddenly bring these other films into like national conversation because

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Speaker 1: they're like, I don't know, did you check out the

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Speaker 1: whatever pen like the little subheading on Netflix or Hulu

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01:11:31,800 --> 01:11:33,800
Speaker 1: or whatever that had all those films that came out.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. And I feel like that would be

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01:11:35,360 --> 01:11:38,240
Speaker 1: a really interesting way to do that, But I think

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Speaker 1: too many people's toes get stepped on. Probably well there.

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Speaker 1: I mean, there's a lot of little things to go

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Speaker 1: into that. So like first, I do think there's a

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Speaker 1: lot of film industry can be doing during this time

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Speaker 1: to like band together. Um, and we're seeing like a

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01:11:49,520 --> 01:11:52,360
Speaker 1: couple of like black creatives being really great about like

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01:11:52,720 --> 01:11:55,360
Speaker 1: here are some good black films you maybe haven't seen

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01:11:55,479 --> 01:11:58,080
Speaker 1: that you should check out. I will get it later.

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01:11:58,120 --> 01:12:00,960
Speaker 1: But there is a movie by nineteen year old on

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Speaker 1: Netflix about the church in the South that is so

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01:12:05,760 --> 01:12:11,360
Speaker 1: freaking good. Um that are Ray produced Philip something. Oh

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Speaker 1: my god, this is really annoying. I'll get it later

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Speaker 1: and I we can drop in the show notes. Yes,

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Speaker 1: burning Philip Uesman does. He's nineteen and has one of

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Speaker 1: the strongest visions of any filmmaker I've ever seen. It

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Speaker 1: is it's a very dreamy, sort of slow methodical look

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Speaker 1: at like the ways in which the church tears at

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Speaker 1: the soul. And he's like from the South and his

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01:12:35,640 --> 01:12:37,600
Speaker 1: parents are like Southern Baptist, and it was like this

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01:12:37,960 --> 01:12:40,479
Speaker 1: clearly a kid trying to communicate issues with his parents,

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01:12:40,560 --> 01:12:43,599
Speaker 1: and it is so good and so beautiful. I think

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Speaker 1: that's one like a small thing we can do is

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Speaker 1: like continue to promote that. But I also think on

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Speaker 1: like a larger community scale, like cinemized to the core

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01:12:51,000 --> 01:12:54,320
Speaker 1: of like American ideology. It's one of the few arts

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01:12:54,320 --> 01:12:56,960
Speaker 1: that is truly our own, like with rap Um, like

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01:12:57,000 --> 01:12:59,840
Speaker 1: film started here, we started making movies, and so it

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01:13:00,000 --> 01:13:02,920
Speaker 1: would be really like great for me to see more

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01:13:03,240 --> 01:13:06,000
Speaker 1: UM drive ins opening up more things where we can

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01:13:06,200 --> 01:13:10,360
Speaker 1: gather safely as a people to engage in our culture UM.

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Speaker 1: I also think that festivals and things like that have

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Speaker 1: a very classist approached to the way they screen movies.

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Speaker 1: For a lot of art film, which is made by

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Speaker 1: mostly poor people struggling to pinch every penny to make

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01:13:23,680 --> 01:13:27,280
Speaker 1: these like really moving pieces of cinema, are then held

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Speaker 1: away from poorer communities because they're at sun dance and

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01:13:31,400 --> 01:13:33,960
Speaker 1: it's like at least four thousand dollars to get there,

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Speaker 1: and then you have to get a ticket to get in,

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01:13:35,320 --> 01:13:38,240
Speaker 1: and get so many hurdles to just try to access

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Speaker 1: this stuff. But I know that they have to make money.

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Speaker 1: I like the idea of like a twenty dollar ticket

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01:13:44,400 --> 01:13:46,840
Speaker 1: you get to pick like six or seven films and

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01:13:46,880 --> 01:13:49,360
Speaker 1: you can download them from a streaming service, and then

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01:13:49,800 --> 01:13:51,600
Speaker 1: you know, that's the way for people to engage with

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01:13:51,640 --> 01:13:55,839
Speaker 1: new content that's already been made that's benefiting like poorer

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01:13:56,120 --> 01:13:59,400
Speaker 1: or or you know, not supported artists. I think that

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01:13:59,479 --> 01:14:01,360
Speaker 1: there's a lot could be doing to sort of engage

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Speaker 1: with our communities, especially during this time we have the Internet.

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01:14:03,840 --> 01:14:08,200
Speaker 1: There's nothing sobbing us except for people's creed. Yeah, just

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01:14:08,240 --> 01:14:11,599
Speaker 1: reading Philip Humans. He wrote, directed, and shot and edited

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01:14:11,640 --> 01:14:16,839
Speaker 1: when he was seventeen. His next I gotta watch this.

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01:14:17,040 --> 01:14:19,519
Speaker 1: His next film is about the unofficial Black Panther Party

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01:14:19,520 --> 01:14:21,639
Speaker 1: in the South and one of the things they were

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01:14:21,680 --> 01:14:24,120
Speaker 1: doing in the sixties. That's his next movie. He's already

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01:14:24,120 --> 01:14:27,280
Speaker 1: working on it. He got the cast together himself. He

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01:14:27,280 --> 01:14:29,760
Speaker 1: wrote a He hand wrote her a letter and sent

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01:14:29,840 --> 01:14:31,200
Speaker 1: it to her and was like, I think you're the

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01:14:31,200 --> 01:14:33,600
Speaker 1: only one I want to distribute my film WHOA this

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01:14:33,760 --> 01:14:37,040
Speaker 1: card that Wendell Pierces driving in this screenshop. My dad

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01:14:37,120 --> 01:14:42,080
Speaker 1: has this car that's my dad's favorite BMW WHOA. All right,

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01:14:42,800 --> 01:14:45,599
Speaker 1: you gotta watch this movie. It's really powerful. Thanks Joel

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01:14:46,200 --> 01:14:48,519
Speaker 1: if you want to, If people would taste follow Joel,

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01:14:48,640 --> 01:14:51,400
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I'm out here over salting

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01:14:51,439 --> 01:14:54,320
Speaker 1: my food because I haven't have you guys. Seen Up

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01:14:54,840 --> 01:14:59,519
Speaker 1: is also on Netflix. Her film Jezebel If Jezebel is

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01:14:59,560 --> 01:15:04,000
Speaker 1: a phil him about it's semi autobiographical. When she was eighteen,

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01:15:04,160 --> 01:15:06,599
Speaker 1: she was living with her sister who was like, listen,

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01:15:06,640 --> 01:15:08,080
Speaker 1: you guys aren't making your own money because I got

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01:15:08,120 --> 01:15:10,240
Speaker 1: mouse to feed? So why not become a sex worker?

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01:15:10,560 --> 01:15:13,040
Speaker 1: And she's in Vegas and she becomes like a cam girl,

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01:15:13,080 --> 01:15:16,160
Speaker 1: And it's sort of about navigating that system. What powers

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01:15:16,360 --> 01:15:18,080
Speaker 1: come from being a sex worker? How does that make

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01:15:18,120 --> 01:15:20,599
Speaker 1: you feel good about yourself? What are the hurdles those

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01:15:20,600 --> 01:15:22,720
Speaker 1: women have to endure? Why do people enter sex work

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01:15:22,760 --> 01:15:25,479
Speaker 1: in the first place. It is one of the most

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01:15:25,520 --> 01:15:28,479
Speaker 1: like pure films about sex work that I've ever seen,

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01:15:28,600 --> 01:15:33,519
Speaker 1: and that it doesn't ever shame or dirty v job um,

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01:15:33,720 --> 01:15:36,880
Speaker 1: and it doesn't also liberate or like exalted to this

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01:15:36,960 --> 01:15:38,760
Speaker 1: high high. It is just the thing that she does

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01:15:38,800 --> 01:15:41,680
Speaker 1: and it's so wonderful and new made. Just she just

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01:15:41,680 --> 01:15:43,600
Speaker 1: announced another movie. She's the one to watch out for.

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Speaker 1: I really like him a PERRYO a lot amazing. Well, Joel,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much for coming on to the Daily

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Speaker 1: Zeitgeist today. Where can people find you? Follow you? Uh?

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01:15:54,360 --> 01:15:56,760
Speaker 1: You know, subscribe what? Where where can they go to

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01:15:56,800 --> 01:16:01,320
Speaker 1: get more? Yeah? Absolutely? Uh despite my better judgment, I'm

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Speaker 1: still on Twitter, so you can find me there at

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01:16:03,400 --> 01:16:06,760
Speaker 1: Joel Monique. It's j L E L M O n

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Speaker 1: I Q you eat. If you put an underscore between

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Speaker 1: those two names. You can find me on Instagram. Who's

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01:16:12,280 --> 01:16:14,680
Speaker 1: doing Instagram anymore? There are no events to show off at.

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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, but I'm there. I'm there. Talk to

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Speaker 1: me about the politics, tell me the good things you're

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Speaker 1: watching and Rewatch, Watchman, and then come chat with me

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Speaker 1: about that. I just finished my rewatch last night, and

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Speaker 1: it hits different, y'all. It hits the episode six, which

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Speaker 1: is the episode where they go into the past. Oh man,

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Speaker 1: I couldn't. It was a lot to take. I was

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Speaker 1: in shock. I was rewatching. Uh, how Stella daughter groove

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Speaker 1: back and star Regina King, and I was like, oh

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Speaker 1: my god, oh my god, my god. But also, let's

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Speaker 1: be real. Angelo Bassett Stella's house in that movie goals, goals,

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Speaker 1: totally goals. If you like, if you funk with architecture

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Speaker 1: and you have not seen how sella daughter groove back

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Speaker 1: her house to the point where like I'm like, where

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Speaker 1: is this place I want to live in? This whimsical land? Um?

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Speaker 1: And what's a piece of social media that you're enjoying?

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01:17:05,160 --> 01:17:08,599
Speaker 1: A tweet or something like that. Uh. Clarkisha Kent, who

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Speaker 1: was recently banned from Twitter for being awesome? Yeah, buddy,

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01:17:13,360 --> 01:17:18,240
Speaker 1: she in personating she drawed the FBI too good. They

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Speaker 1: were like, oh, maybe because she had the checkmark she

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Speaker 1: changed her name to like I can't remember Chicago, p

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Speaker 1: D or the FBI, but she did one or the

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Speaker 1: other and it was brilliant. Uh. And they banned her

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Speaker 1: for it because people thought that that was who she was. Um.

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Speaker 1: But she still has um a handle. She had a

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01:17:34,280 --> 01:17:35,960
Speaker 1: backup just in case, because she had a feeling this

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Speaker 1: was gonna happen. Um. So you can still find her

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Speaker 1: on the twitters. She wrote an amazing piece for Where

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Speaker 1: Your voice about the young woman who was killed in

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Speaker 1: Florida and was sexually assaulted. Um, I'm gonna try to

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Speaker 1: say her name right atto and I think it's s A.

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Speaker 1: L a U is her last name. She wrote a

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01:17:56,720 --> 01:18:00,080
Speaker 1: piece on just how we fail Black women and it

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01:17:59,880 --> 01:18:05,920
Speaker 1: is powerful and disturbing and challenges us all to do better.

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Speaker 1: And so if you're on Twitter and you want to

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Speaker 1: get better reach, you couldn't find a better writer for

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01:18:10,920 --> 01:18:14,679
Speaker 1: our current times in Clarkisha to check that out, Jamie,

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01:18:14,720 --> 01:18:16,559
Speaker 1: what about you? Where can people find you? Follow you?

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01:18:16,600 --> 01:18:19,639
Speaker 1: And what's some some Twitter ridge you like in also

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01:18:20,479 --> 01:18:27,200
Speaker 1: reluctantly still on Twitter at Jamie Lafta's help. Uh, Instagram,

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01:18:27,240 --> 01:18:31,680
Speaker 1: not much is happening over there right. It feels like

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01:18:31,960 --> 01:18:34,479
Speaker 1: it's like futile toy even be like I don't know,

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01:18:34,560 --> 01:18:37,360
Speaker 1: like I'm not posting anything. You might get a random

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01:18:37,479 --> 01:18:39,680
Speaker 1: still of like a soda I was drinking, because it's

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01:18:39,760 --> 01:18:42,240
Speaker 1: the only thing I've gotten out of Instagram is like

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01:18:42,439 --> 01:18:46,240
Speaker 1: seeing like a friend post a selfie and be like,

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Speaker 1: you're disgusting. That's all I'm getting out of Instagram right

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01:18:50,560 --> 01:18:54,840
Speaker 1: now is people not reading the room that's the platform. Yeah, right,

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01:18:55,080 --> 01:18:58,920
Speaker 1: I think that is the experience. Like Twitter, it's like, bro,

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Speaker 1: people will just aim you if your head is not

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01:19:01,160 --> 01:19:02,760
Speaker 1: in the game and you're talking about some dumb shit.

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01:19:03,000 --> 01:19:05,559
Speaker 1: But like on Instagram, like you see like people rally

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01:19:05,640 --> 01:19:08,439
Speaker 1: around the idiot posts and like, yeah, that's so great,

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01:19:08,479 --> 01:19:10,599
Speaker 1: good for you, Like love this, love this. You know,

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Speaker 1: people are still calling a lot of things brave on

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Speaker 1: Instagram to like white influencers doing the bare minimum. It's

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Speaker 1: fascinating to behold. Oh you know, it's also interesting speaking

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Speaker 1: of that, do you know how there was the All

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Speaker 1: Black Lives Matter painted on Hollywood Boulevard. Yeah, and they

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Speaker 1: got pressure washed right after. Oh yeah, it was. It

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Speaker 1: was pressure because the deal with the city that was

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Speaker 1: made and I'm not going to give out names, I

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Speaker 1: will offer Mike, a media company wanted to pay for

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Speaker 1: that to be done. And the way it was described

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01:19:43,680 --> 01:19:46,280
Speaker 1: to the city was they wanted to brand the streets

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01:19:46,640 --> 01:19:49,040
Speaker 1: of black lives all Black Lives Matter, and they were

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01:19:49,040 --> 01:19:50,519
Speaker 1: saying like, yeah, we would it would like to brand

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Speaker 1: Hollywood Boulevard and the people are like, you want this

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01:19:52,760 --> 01:19:55,720
Speaker 1: is not a brand. We'll talk about that maybe. I

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01:19:55,720 --> 01:19:57,880
Speaker 1: think that story will probably develop over time, but we'll

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01:19:57,920 --> 01:20:01,240
Speaker 1: get into that there's a lot of cynical, uh performative

1548
01:20:01,240 --> 01:20:04,920
Speaker 1: bullshit going on, so be carefully. All I'll point out

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01:20:05,360 --> 01:20:09,960
Speaker 1: to tweets UM one is from Aida osman Um and

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Speaker 1: also um relates to the um developing story with toy

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Speaker 1: in Um. I love this tweet, and she's been posting

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Speaker 1: a lot of incredible stuff to this effect, but she's

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Speaker 1: at shut up, Aida, and the tweet is it's not

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01:20:25,840 --> 01:20:28,599
Speaker 1: just believe women, it's acknowledging that the process of telling

1555
01:20:28,640 --> 01:20:31,840
Speaker 1: your story is painful, disorienting, and terrifying. It also means

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01:20:31,880 --> 01:20:34,920
Speaker 1: believing women at every iteration of their story, from the

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01:20:34,960 --> 01:20:37,080
Speaker 1: initial mention of the assault to the details that come

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Speaker 1: out over time. And she's been really just yeah, she's incredible.

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Speaker 1: Highly recommend um. And then for a fun, a fun

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Speaker 1: tweet here, here's one from Blake Wexler, who I guess

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Speaker 1: just watched Twister because he tweeted I can't stop laughing

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01:20:54,360 --> 01:20:57,320
Speaker 1: at the reasoning for Twisters PG thirteen rating, which it

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01:20:57,439 --> 01:21:01,719
Speaker 1: says rated PG thirteen intends to piction of very bad weather,

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01:21:02,240 --> 01:21:08,800
Speaker 1: So okay, so not for not weather for children. You

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Speaker 1: can find and follow me on Twitter and Instagram, PlayStation

1566
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Speaker 1: Network at Miles of Gray and also my other podcast

1567
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Speaker 1: for Fiance and also check out Scam Goddess. I'm on

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Speaker 1: this week's Scam Goddess with Lacy Moseley, So if you

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Speaker 1: want to get your get your lolls on, check that out. Um.

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01:21:26,080 --> 01:21:29,760
Speaker 1: Some tweets that I'm liking, Let's see. The first one

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01:21:29,880 --> 01:21:32,599
Speaker 1: is from at Indie was here. Uh, and the tweet

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01:21:32,720 --> 01:21:35,120
Speaker 1: is fantastic kind of summing up something a bit of

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01:21:35,160 --> 01:21:37,400
Speaker 1: what we were talking about this episode. Uh. The tweet

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01:21:37,439 --> 01:21:39,600
Speaker 1: is white women be like we are the daughters of

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01:21:39,640 --> 01:21:42,720
Speaker 1: the witches. You couldn't burn and then get burnt out

1576
01:21:42,760 --> 01:21:45,400
Speaker 1: after talking racism for five days? Like are you sure

1577
01:21:45,400 --> 01:21:51,000
Speaker 1: about that? Love? It's very very and also one more,

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Speaker 1: this is just so funny to be Uh. It's like

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Speaker 1: a It's like a two panel. One it says after

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Speaker 1: you die, you will meet God, and then the next

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01:22:00,800 --> 01:22:03,920
Speaker 1: panel is this white girl squaring up, and the tweet says, no,

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01:22:04,160 --> 01:22:15,960
Speaker 1: when I die, God will meet me. Stupid. I needed

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Speaker 1: that gen z. And that is from at at Onto

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Speaker 1: Viagra at Onto Viagra. Wow. See and I'm all old,

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Speaker 1: being like I donned up by I'm old and I

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01:22:28,800 --> 01:22:31,080
Speaker 1: should have been told. Uh. And yes, You can find

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Speaker 1: us at Daily Zeitgeist on Twitter, at the Daily Geist

1588
01:22:33,840 --> 01:22:36,680
Speaker 1: on Instagram. We have a Facebook fan page and a

1589
01:22:36,720 --> 01:22:39,080
Speaker 1: website Daily zi geist dot com. Worry post our episodes

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Speaker 1: and our foot notes thank you, as well as the

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Speaker 1: song we write out on. And not to mention, this

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01:22:44,280 --> 01:22:45,960
Speaker 1: show is a production of I Heart Radio. If you

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Speaker 1: want more of this, just go check out Apple podcast

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Speaker 1: wherever you get those podcasts for free. Uh. And the

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Speaker 1: song that we're going to write out on, actually, hey,

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Speaker 1: let's do what's your favorite track on? On Godly? I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna be your virsial and say tipsy. Okay, let's do

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Speaker 1: it from Joel Monique. We're getting into it. Uh, Chloe

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Speaker 1: and Halley Tipsy. Here we go. Have a good day.

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Speaker 1: I know it's hump day. We have a few, just

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Speaker 1: a few more days till the weekend, where we will

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01:23:15,080 --> 01:23:18,840
Speaker 1: continue to be confused that somehow another week has gone by.

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01:23:19,400 --> 01:23:22,160
Speaker 1: It's so weird, just like we're Joel and I were

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01:23:22,160 --> 01:23:24,040
Speaker 1: on a call earlier and we had spoken to someone

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01:23:24,120 --> 01:23:26,439
Speaker 1: like four days ago, and I could have swore it

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Speaker 1: was maybe two weeks ago. Time dilations were all right,

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Speaker 1: Peace and blessings by love you A little as crazy.

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Speaker 1: If you love little alive, fuck eur