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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Shawn Combs aka Ditty, rushed

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Speaker 1: to the hospital in the dark of night. This coincidentally

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Speaker 1: after kidnaps and Arson's claims added to his sex trafficking indictment.

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Speaker 1: And now we hear he dangled a model off a

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Speaker 1: seventeenth floor balcony. And how have Trump Tower and Justin

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Speaker 1: Bieber been sucked into the Diddy vortex. I'm Nancy Grace,

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Speaker 1: this is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with US.

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Speaker 2: Prosecutors file a superseding indictment in disgraced rapper and music

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Speaker 2: mogul P Diddy's sex trafficking case, now alleging a conspiracy

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Speaker 2: spanning two decades.

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Speaker 1: A row. Okay, I'm going to get to that superseding

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Speaker 1: indictment in just one moment. Sounds like a lot of

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Speaker 1: Latin legal jargon, which means basically, they added a lot

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Speaker 1: of stuff to the already extensive federal indictment on sex trafficking.

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Speaker 1: I want to get to what we know about Diddy

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Speaker 1: being rushed to the hospital. Listen.

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Speaker 3: Combs rushed to the hospital hours after prosecutor's file a

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Speaker 3: superseding indictment. The rap mogul, now accused of criminal activity

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Speaker 3: spanning two decades and sex trafficking two more victims in

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Speaker 3: addition to ex girlfriend Cassie Venturro. In addition, more alleged

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Speaker 3: victims are coming forward in lawsuits claiming sexual assault at

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Speaker 3: the hands of Combs.

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Speaker 1: Somebody finds out they've got a superseding indictment and suddenly

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Speaker 1: they're knee hurts. Robert Crispin joining me private investigator with

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Speaker 1: Crispin Special Investigations. You last saw him parked outside of

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Speaker 1: Dinny's house in Miami. But for my purposes, former Federal

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Speaker 1: task for for the US Department of Justice DEEA Miami

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Speaker 1: Field division. On and on and on, Robert Crispin, out,

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Speaker 1: my knee hurts. You know what, I don't think there

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Speaker 1: are coincidences in criminal law. So he gets a federal

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Speaker 1: superseding indictment, stuff three inches up his tailpip, and suddenly

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Speaker 1: his knee hurts.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: So I find it interesting that they take him so

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Speaker 5: quickly right after this indictment, and nobody knows what's going on.

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Speaker 4: I mean a lot of.

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Speaker 5: People go to jail, and these take months and months

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Speaker 4: Someone to the hospital.

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Speaker 5: A knee injury is not like he was in cardiac

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Speaker 5: arrest and needed advanced life support.

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Speaker 4: I find it very very interesting that he got out

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Speaker 4: and he got into the hospital. That's very interesting.

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Speaker 1: Joining me in addition to Robert Crispin basically who just

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Speaker 1: echoed everything I just said. You know what, Chrispin, I'm

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Speaker 1: going to give you time in the corner to think

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Speaker 1: about what you just said. Marjorie here Nandez joining me,

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Speaker 1: West Coast News editor Daily Mail, who has been all

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Speaker 1: over this, host writer of the Daily Mail podcast The

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Speaker 1: Trial of Ditty. Marjorie, Really he gets a superseding federal indictment.

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Speaker 1: First of all, federal indictment bad enough superseding and fantas

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Speaker 1: will jump in on this, probably to fight with me.

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Speaker 1: But superseding means they've been thinking a lot about you,

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Speaker 1: and they're adding facts or even charges to your already

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Speaker 1: existing indictment. Doesn't make my knee hurt. So there are

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Speaker 1: a lot of rumors floating, a lot of reports out

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Speaker 1: there that there are a lot of reasons that Sean

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Speaker 1: Combs aka Ditty aka puff Daddy aka Puffy aka Puff

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Speaker 1: aka Love. I could go on. There are a lot

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Speaker 1: of reasons for hearing that he was raised to the hospital.

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Speaker 1: One being his knee suddenly started hurting. Another is that

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Speaker 1: he got into a fight with an inmate. Another is

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Speaker 1: that he had a diva fit.

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Speaker 6: Which one is it, Marjorie, Well, my sources on the

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Speaker 6: inside said that one his knee had been hurting because

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Speaker 6: he was a marathoner for a few years, and all

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Speaker 6: of a sudden his knee starting put.

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Speaker 1: Her up, put her up. Hey, I have great respect

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Speaker 1: for Daily Mail. Okay, I have great respect for the

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Speaker 1: Trial of Dinny podcast. At Marjorie, you are about to

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Speaker 1: just lose all your credibility. Did you just hear yourself say,

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Speaker 1: don't let me play it back, Marjorie, his knee had

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Speaker 1: been hurting for a while, but then suddenly it really

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Speaker 7: Well, again, in terms of the timing of this.

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Speaker 1: Like you said, it is quite interesting.

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Speaker 7: However, that's what the sources are saying, that it is

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Speaker 7: a knee injury. But we shall see. I mean the

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Speaker 4: In the hospital right away.

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Speaker 1: Again, Majorie made you know how long it took me

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Speaker 1: to get an inmate root canal? Okay, months? The woman

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Speaker 1: So it was basically so doctor Dwayne Hendrix, you know

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Speaker 1: what we need to go to the expert on this.

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Speaker 1: I've heard that Comes had a diva fit. I guess

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Speaker 1: he didn't like his hamburger that night, or that he

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Speaker 1: had suddenly a reoccurrence of a knee injury. He's had

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Speaker 1: multiple knee surgeries. But it just really started hurting when

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Speaker 1: he found out about that superseding indictment. Doctor Dwayne Hendricks

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Speaker 1: is joining me, former associate Warden right there at MDC

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Speaker 1: Metropolitan Detention Center in Brooklyn, form your senior warden with

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Speaker 1: the US Department of Justice. Oh gosh, it goes on

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Speaker 1: and on. Author of who are you see it? Say

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Speaker 1: it sees it? But I like that you are with

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Speaker 1: the New Daylightfoundation dot com trying to do something positive.

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Speaker 1: But can I talk to you about MDC. Got you

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Speaker 1: gotta go through hell and high water to get out

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Speaker 1: of MDC for a lot of reasons. You think they

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Speaker 1: let l Chapo get out of his pin tentry to

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Speaker 1: go see about his knee. No, he had to dig

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Speaker 1: out of there. So why isn't Teddy getting raced out

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Speaker 1: in the cover of darkness? We keep hearing? Why does

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Speaker 1: he get the como darkness? Why does he get taken

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Speaker 1: out because he needs an aspirin? Help me, help me,

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Speaker 1: doctor Hendrix.

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Speaker 8: Well, I'll tell you each.

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Speaker 9: Mmate gets a physical within fourteen days of their arrival

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Speaker 8: And I'm sure based on reports of.

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Speaker 9: Him having several knee surgeries throughout the years after being

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Speaker 9: a marathoner back in two thousand and three, so this

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Speaker 9: may have been in the works in terms of getting

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Speaker 9: him out for MRI because I know they don't have

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Speaker 9: that equipment at the institution. And I'll just tell you this,

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Speaker 9: they probably had set this appointment up months maybe weeks ago,

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Speaker 1: Leave at one am the cover of darkness. Okay, you

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Speaker 1: think that's what they set up, Hendricks. Look, I know

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Speaker 1: you're being loyal to MDC, but can we get real

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Speaker 1: leaving MDC because your knee hurts? Have you seen that

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Speaker 1: POC technical legal term? You do know about Weinstein? Right?

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Speaker 1: He's got cancer, okay, and he rarely leaves the jail.

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Speaker 1: Did he has a knee pain and he gets taken

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Speaker 1: that they arranged for him to be rushed out at midnight. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's normal.

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Speaker 8: It's not normal, And you're right, it's not normal.

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Speaker 9: But I can tell you in terms of security, do

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Speaker 9: you want to take him to a regular apployment at

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Speaker 1: Yeah actually yeah, yeah, during business hours? Hey, you know what,

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Speaker 1: was a standard soop appointment and had probably been set

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Speaker 8: It's both, It's both.

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Speaker 9: At the end of the day, this probably, I mean,

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Speaker 8: He's probably had been getting with sages and.

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Speaker 9: Treatment all the time, and now he's incarcerated, and yeah.

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Speaker 8: He's at the back of the line.

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Speaker 9: I'm sure he was having the problems back in October

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Speaker 1: He used to a spa treatment. Gdy doesn't have his

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Speaker 1: personal massuse. Okay, you know again, I'm gonna put you

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Speaker 1: it does? Did he have a little hair fit because

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Speaker 1: this big, bat thick one I've got right here and

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Speaker 1: now it's been superseded more added to it. Did he

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Speaker 1: have a little hair fit? Because nobody can convince me

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Speaker 1: what three am. I'm talking about you, Hendrix. What about it, Marjorie,

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Speaker 7: Yeah, in terms of that, I mean, it's very uncommon.

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Speaker 1: Wait a minute, what about he's seeing psychologists. But this

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Speaker 7: What they said was that he took an MRI and

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Speaker 4: But by a psychologist common.

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Speaker 1: No, not by psychologists.

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Speaker 7: He's been seen by psychologists allegedly and other times, but

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Speaker 1: Put her up place that this was a bother Marjorie. Marjorie,

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Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, his life was fantastical. We

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Speaker 1: Can I please see Marjorie. I want to see Marjorie

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Speaker 1: her Nandez. There she is daily mail, Marjorie. I don't

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Speaker 1: am he wants cheesecake, and guess what he gets it.

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Speaker 1: Manhattan and finds some cheesecake and has to be a

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Speaker 1: he's not used to being in jail, Marjorie. I agree

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Speaker 1: the jail, so here are the choices. Okay. A diva

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Speaker 1: fit when he finds out about this superseding indictment, has

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Speaker 1: a spat with an inmate, nuts up, or he's afraid

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Speaker 1: he's gonna be epsteined listen Ogel.

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Speaker 10: Sean Diddy Combs is reportedly facing life threatening danger behind bars,

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Speaker 10: fearing a fate similar to convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein.

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Speaker 10: Since Epstein's apparent suicide, conspiracy theories have swirled that the

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Speaker 10: line and a trial looming, sources claim Diddy is a

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Speaker 10: prime target in prison as he's marked for death to

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Speaker 11: Fattus, what about it, Nancy, This is a very real

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Speaker 11: nature of the charges. The first charge is racketeering. That

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Speaker 11: alleged us a criminal enterprise. That's more than one person,

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Speaker 8: Certainly they could.

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Speaker 2: P Didty aka Sean Combs rushed from prison to an

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Speaker 1: Okay, I'm not going to keep stating the obvious that

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Speaker 1: So doctor Dwayne and Hendricks joining me former associate a

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Speaker 9: I still believe that this was something that was pre planned,

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Speaker 8: So apparently this operation was done, I mean not an operation,

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Speaker 9: Planning to get him out to the hospital for this

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Speaker 8: He's headed to this hospital and then, you.

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Speaker 9: Know, causing chaos in the facility because at the end

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Speaker 9: in order, the last thing you want is a media

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Speaker 9: a photo of mister Coombs because obviously no one's.

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Speaker 8: Seen a picture.

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Speaker 1: So yes, right, So you said it was the inmates.

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Speaker 1: Now you're saying it's people on the outside that might

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Speaker 1: I think I know why he went to the hospital.

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Speaker 1: I think he had let's just say, he hyperventilated. He

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Speaker 3: This superseding indictment accusing Combs of trafficking more women. It

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Speaker 10: The amended indictment expands the list of drugs Combs and

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Speaker 12: The revised indictment alleges Combs employed kidnapping and arson Prosecutors

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Speaker 12: alleged when Combs felt his authority or reputation was threatened,

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Speaker 12: he and his associates responded with multiple arsons and kidnappings.

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Speaker 12: Prosecutors claim during one such kidnapping, Combs was clearly armed.

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Speaker 1: With a gun. Okay joining me renowned psychologists out of

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Speaker 1: the Manhattan jurisdiction, TV Radio Trump expert consultant at Karenstark

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Speaker 1: dot com. Karen Stark joining us, Karen, that's enough to

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Speaker 1: Did you hear all that? So coincidentally, right at the

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Speaker 1: trafficking more women. These are not additional charges, they're additional facts, Karen,

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Speaker 1: extending the time of the racketeering. In other words, the

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Speaker 1: them on video. That's going to be the charges. So

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Speaker 1: here's about that. And now wait for it that he

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Speaker 1: plied them with cocaine, ketamine and oxycodone, metha, amphetamine, magic, mushrooms,

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Speaker 1: way and arson and kidnap. Yeah, that would make mine hurt,

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Speaker 1: to put it mildly, care and start what are psychosmatic injuries.

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Speaker 13: Psychosomatic injuries are injuries that feel like they're real, but

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Speaker 13: fact that he has knee injury when all of these

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Speaker 13: that these things that he did were not isolated incidents.

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Speaker 13: What you see as a pattern of abuse control power

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Speaker 13: So this guy is not just a narcissist, which is

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Speaker 1: You know, the term, Karen Stark, malingering comes to mind.

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Speaker 1: Could you explain what is malingering in your book basically

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Speaker 13: What's lingering malingering is that he's coming up with things

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Speaker 1: Let's talk about that just just one moment, doctor Dwayne

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Speaker 1: his house? So, doctor Dwayne Hendrix, just because your knee hurts,

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Speaker 1: you get taken out of the jail. How many other

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Speaker 9: Yeah, and if this was a fact that he was lingering.

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Speaker 9: I mean, it was reported that during the holiday season

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Speaker 8: Something like that, and he needed to meditate to calm down.

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Speaker 9: They didn't let him out do it at that for

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Speaker 1: That put him. He didn't let him out because he

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Speaker 9: No, he took him out in a van, a secure

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Speaker 8: I can tell you that he went.

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Speaker 1: Out to meditate. My rear end joining me right now.

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Speaker 1: Bill Wolfe, former Detective in charge of Human traffic king

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Speaker 1: two decades. When he's accused of sex trafficking. Can you

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Speaker 4: Absolutely?

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Speaker 14: You know, this guy is just pure evil and absolutely

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Speaker 14: a narcissist. The fact that he can take people humans,

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Speaker 10: I mean, can you.

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Speaker 14: Imagine somebody that's sexually assaulted over and over and over

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Speaker 15: The superseding indictment appears to include the allegation from fashion

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Speaker 15: example of how Combs used force to combat threats to

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Speaker 1: Dangling a model off the seventeenth floor balcony. Okay, Marjorie

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Speaker 7: What that's one of the more shocking details in Grianna

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Speaker 7: a pattern, It shows a pattern of his complete control

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Speaker 1: You know, Marjorie, I agree, complete control because that was

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Speaker 1: never reported to police. Two. Robert Crispin joining US private

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Speaker 1: Have you ever seen a defendant, a suspect, a perp

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I've seen it a lot of times. No, he

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Speaker 5: Why a lot of this stuff went unreported because everyone

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Speaker 5: Hence why these superseding indictments are such beautiful tools in

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Speaker 4: But now these superseding indictments and I hence will.

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Speaker 5: It's all starting to come together. Diddy's world is crashing

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Speaker 4: He's got no contact with the outside world. He's not

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Speaker 5: And you're about to see a grown man who is

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Speaker 4: And he is a target in jail.

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Speaker 5: He's a prize for somebody who's doing life, who will

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Speaker 4: That's a badge of honor. I killed pe Ditty sadly enough.

436
00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:59,199
Speaker 5: There's a bunch of guards, but not every single person

437
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Speaker 5: can be watched every single minute of the day.

438
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Speaker 4: He's absolutely a target, just like Epstein was Autori.

439
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Speaker 1: That you just said, Crispin is absolutely right, and it's

440
00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:11,360
Speaker 1: hard for people that have not been in the system

441
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Speaker 1: to understand that. And I don't want them to understand that.

442
00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:16,880
Speaker 1: I don't want them to be part of our world.

443
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:20,880
Speaker 1: But there are people in the behind bars that would

444
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Speaker 1: consider it a great honor to murder Diddy. That would

445
00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:30,120
Speaker 1: be they go down in the history books, right. That's

446
00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:32,359
Speaker 1: the way they think. It's not the way we think.

447
00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:35,520
Speaker 1: That's the way they think. I'd like to get back

448
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Speaker 1: to my original question regarding dangling the allegation that Marjorie

449
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:45,280
Speaker 1: Hernandez Dally mill is telling us about dangling this model

450
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:50,040
Speaker 1: off a seventeenth floor balcony. Now, many people would argue

451
00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:53,919
Speaker 1: Eric Faddis, for one defense attorney, that why would he

452
00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:59,040
Speaker 1: do that that's in public view. He would never do that.

453
00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:05,560
Speaker 1: See that Cassie Ventura video where Sean Combs is running

454
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Speaker 1: down the hall chasing Cassie. There she is, She's trying

455
00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:12,040
Speaker 1: to sneak out the freak off she was sick of. Yeah,

456
00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:14,959
Speaker 1: he doesn't care. There he comes in nothing but a towel,

457
00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:19,440
Speaker 1: oh excuse me, and a pair of socks and bam, bam.

458
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Speaker 1: This one of my friends that's seen in Kick Like.

459
00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:25,960
Speaker 1: She's a football gathering up her stuff and dragging her back.

460
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:29,440
Speaker 1: According to her, to the freak off, she was sick

461
00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:32,840
Speaker 1: of it, she wanted out. She did want to have

462
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Speaker 1: sex with a group of men on video. And look

463
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Speaker 1: at this, this is what happens all in public view.

464
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Speaker 1: So if you, Fatus want to argue to me, well,

465
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Speaker 1: he would never dangle somebody off a seventeenth floor because

466
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Speaker 1: it's the public would see it.

467
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Speaker 11: What about this, Fattus, Well, NISSI, certainly the allegations are serious,

468
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Speaker 11: but there are some questions that persist about this specific

469
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Speaker 11: allegation of dangling.

470
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Speaker 4: Look, it happens nearly a decade ago.

471
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Speaker 11: My understanding is there was no police involvement at that time,

472
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:09,160
Speaker 11: no charges anyway, So it's coming, you know, a decade late,

473
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Speaker 11: while it's all sensationalized to sort of vilify did he

474
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Speaker 11: And on top of that, the story doesn't make a

475
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Speaker 11: ton of sense.

476
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Speaker 4: Did he come to Cassie's house?

477
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Speaker 11: Cassie is not there, so as a result, he dangles

478
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Speaker 11: her friend off of a balcony, and then Cassie all

479
00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:24,240
Speaker 11: of a sudden just happens to swoop in it exactly

480
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Speaker 11: at the right time. All of that just seems a

481
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Speaker 11: little suspect to me, raises some eyebrows and.

482
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Speaker 1: Really does that same suspect to you that we would

483
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Speaker 1: run out nothing but a towel and beat Cassie Ventura

484
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Speaker 1: in a public hallway. Right if it weren't on video,

485
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Speaker 1: you wouldn't believe it. You'd be making these same arguments

486
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Speaker 1: then that you're making right now about dangling this model

487
00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:50,160
Speaker 1: off a balcony allegedly, same argument, second verse, same as

488
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Speaker 1: the first fadest.

489
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Speaker 11: Well, we're talking about is evidence. We're talking about what's provable.

490
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Speaker 11: So with the Cassie incident, surely there is a video.

491
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Speaker 11: Now there's been some editing to that video. If you look,

492
00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:02,920
Speaker 11: she walks out without shoes and then all of a

493
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:06,160
Speaker 11: sudden the elevator she has shoes on. So it's uh,

494
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Speaker 11: it's a.

495
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Speaker 1: Difference crime stories with Nancy Grace.

496
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Speaker 8: So chet this out, yo.

497
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Speaker 16: Justin he's in you ever seen the movie forty eight Hours?

498
00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:26,320
Speaker 16: Right now he's having forty eight hours with Diddy, him

499
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Speaker 16: and his boy. They're having the times of their lives,

500
00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:32,560
Speaker 16: like like like you know, where we're hanging out and

501
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:38,640
Speaker 16: what we're doing. We we can't really disclose, but it's

502
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Speaker 16: definitely a fifteen year old dream. You know I have

503
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Speaker 16: been given custody of him. You know he signed the Usher.

504
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Speaker 16: I had legal guardianship of Usher when when you know

505
00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:54,400
Speaker 16: he did his first album, I did Usher's first album.

506
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Speaker 16: I don't really I don't have legal guardianship of him.

507
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Speaker 16: But for the next forty eight hours he's with me.

508
00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:05,160
Speaker 16: So yeah, and we're gonna go full b full crazy.

509
00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:05,760
Speaker 4: Gone crazy.

510
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:12,040
Speaker 1: That from Justin Bieber's YouTube page. Oh Dear Lord in Heaven,

511
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:17,880
Speaker 1: why would Shawn Comes have custody of Usher when he

512
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:21,520
Speaker 1: was a minor? And why would Shawn Comes be handed

513
00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:27,160
Speaker 1: over on a silver platter? Justin Bieber? I mean in

514
00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:29,160
Speaker 1: that picture he looks like he's ten years old in

515
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:33,080
Speaker 1: that video from his uh his own social to Marjorie

516
00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:37,320
Speaker 1: Hernandez joining US West Coast News editor Daily Mail and

517
00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:41,280
Speaker 1: host and writer at the of the Trial of Diddy podcast?

518
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Speaker 1: How has Justin Bieber and Trump Towers? But let's start

519
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:52,880
Speaker 1: with Bieber been pulled into Shawn Comes aka Diddy's Vortex. Well,

520
00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:55,080
Speaker 1: recent footage of Justin.

521
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:58,040
Speaker 7: Wandering around Los Angeles. He does not look well at all,

522
00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:01,320
Speaker 7: and a lot of people have suspected it's because of

523
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Speaker 7: his name being dragged into this drama with Diddy, and

524
00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:08,400
Speaker 7: you know, seeing those old videos now it's really haunting

525
00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:12,440
Speaker 7: to see such a young Justin uh, you know, essentially

526
00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:15,680
Speaker 7: be turned over to Ditty and have Diddy again having

527
00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:21,360
Speaker 7: control over such a young and impressionable Justin Bieber. And

528
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Speaker 7: now it seems like all of this trauma is resurfacing.

529
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Speaker 7: He does not look well in some of the footage

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Speaker 7: that we've recently seen.

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Speaker 12: Uh.

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Speaker 7: There was also this drama about him and following his

533
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Speaker 7: wife on Instagram. Yet the interesting point he still follows Diddy,

534
00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:41,880
Speaker 7: so we're not sure what's going on there, but it

535
00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:43,800
Speaker 7: does seem like he is unwell.

536
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Speaker 1: Marjorie, can you imagine going to the grocery store on

537
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:52,960
Speaker 1: your worst day. Let's just say, no hair, no makeup,

538
00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:56,880
Speaker 1: You're wearing sweatpants, you think you have sunglasses when you

539
00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:58,360
Speaker 1: get in the car, on a hat, but then you

540
00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:00,760
Speaker 1: find out you don't. You hear sticks straight up. Of course,

541
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Speaker 1: yours would never look like that, because you're perfect. I would.

542
00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:08,479
Speaker 1: And then to see somebody just swooping in and taking

543
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:13,240
Speaker 1: your picture and then selling it where you look horrible

544
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:15,720
Speaker 1: and you feel horrible. Let's just throw in that you

545
00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:21,880
Speaker 1: have the flu? Why can't people leave Justin Bieber alone.

546
00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:26,240
Speaker 1: I mean, he's just had a baby with his wife.

547
00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:30,800
Speaker 1: That's a big transition. Okay. I had twins at once,

548
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:34,440
Speaker 1: and they woke up at night twelve thirty, one thirty,

549
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Speaker 1: three thirty, and four thirty and by the last four

550
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:40,800
Speaker 1: thirty feeding I scot up and that was it. For

551
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Speaker 1: the rest of the day. They were not on the

552
00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:46,080
Speaker 1: same schedule. That's a hard time. No matter how happy

553
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:48,640
Speaker 1: you are about the baby, no matter how much you

554
00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:52,000
Speaker 1: love the baby and it's your whole whole world, it's

555
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:57,560
Speaker 1: still hard. Okay, much less working as I know that

556
00:33:57,600 --> 00:34:00,560
Speaker 1: he is. And so people get shot him or he

557
00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:04,600
Speaker 1: looks bad, Yes he looks bad, but the Diddy thing

558
00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:09,279
Speaker 1: on top of it, How has he gotten sucked into

559
00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:12,279
Speaker 1: the Diddy vortex? Are people trying to claim he was

560
00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:14,200
Speaker 1: part of the freak offs? He's not named as a

561
00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:16,960
Speaker 1: co defendant or an underded, a co conspirator, or even

562
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:19,680
Speaker 1: a witness. I don't believe. Correct me if I'm wrong.

563
00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:22,360
Speaker 1: He's on the witness list. So why is this a

564
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:26,160
Speaker 1: name always connected with Sean Combs.

565
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Speaker 7: You know, there's allegations out there that he was also

566
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Speaker 7: assaulted by Sean Combs, and that you know, because of

567
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Speaker 7: his proximity Sean Combs for years and years since he

568
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:40,560
Speaker 7: was a child. As he saw in that video, it

569
00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:44,600
Speaker 7: did start breaking the sea. Now that name is again

570
00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:47,880
Speaker 7: being pulled back into this sportext as you said of Diddy,

571
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:52,439
Speaker 7: but there has been rumors that there are videos of

572
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Speaker 7: him justed being possibly assaulted by Combs.

573
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Speaker 1: That's a lot of possibly a led to rumors. I'm

574
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:05,080
Speaker 1: not paying any attention to any of that. I would

575
00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:11,040
Speaker 1: just ask that people leave Biber alone in a new marriage,

576
00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:15,759
Speaker 1: a new baby, working in his career. Now he can't

577
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:18,920
Speaker 1: even go out and get a pack of cigarettes without

578
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:24,400
Speaker 1: being onlmbasted. But it's not just Bieber who's gotten sucked

579
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:27,759
Speaker 1: into this, I'm sure against his will. Now Trump Tower

580
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:29,840
Speaker 1: is dragged in and listen.

581
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Speaker 15: Doe alleged she attended a party hosted by Combs at

582
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Speaker 15: the club, and group sex was part of the experience

583
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Speaker 15: on three of the building's five floors. When Doe attempts

584
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:42,080
Speaker 15: to leave, Comb's allegedly coerces her into going with them

585
00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:44,200
Speaker 15: to the Midtown Manhattan Trump Hotel.

586
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:46,560
Speaker 2: On arrival, Doe is again.

587
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:49,279
Speaker 15: Given a drink she believes was laced with drugs, then

588
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:52,760
Speaker 15: raped by Comb's associates at his direction for several hours.

589
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:56,880
Speaker 1: Okay, some people may find that fantastical, but there is

590
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Speaker 1: another witness who says essentially the same thing.

591
00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:04,680
Speaker 3: The second Jane Doe's lawsuit contains very similar allegations sexual

592
00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:08,240
Speaker 3: assaults stemming from parties at the Limelight. After a second

593
00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:11,600
Speaker 3: Limelight party, Doe says, Combs and a security guard drove

594
00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:14,560
Speaker 3: her to the Trump Hotel, forced you to take drugs

595
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:18,560
Speaker 3: in the penthouse suite, then Combs instructed the security guard

596
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Speaker 3: to sexually assault her.

597
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:23,520
Speaker 1: Bill Wolfe joining me, anti sex trafficking expert and author

598
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Speaker 1: of Eradicating Human Trafficking Bill, this is what I find

599
00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:35,520
Speaker 1: very striking. You have alleged victims separated in time and space,

600
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:39,799
Speaker 1: saying the same thing. Okay, and it's just a lot

601
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:42,399
Speaker 1: of people have attacked Tony Busby the civil attorney who's

602
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:45,799
Speaker 1: representing a lot of these alleged victims. But I find

603
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Speaker 1: it difficult to believe that these women would go and

604
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Speaker 1: interview with the Feds and stick with a lie. Okay,

605
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Speaker 1: Yet their statements are startlingly similar, which in my mind

606
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Speaker 1: makes them credible. The same story over and over and

607
00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:07,880
Speaker 1: over Bill Wolf, It's very hard to argue this didn't

608
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Speaker 1: happen with so many witnesses saying the very same thing.

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Speaker 14: I completely agree. I can tell you from my experience

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Speaker 14: as both an investigator and working with so many survivors.

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Speaker 14: You know, sometimes these stories sound fantastical, right, like there's

612
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:23,719
Speaker 14: no way that that could have happened. But the reality is,

613
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Speaker 14: in the world of sex trafficking, these things happened over

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Speaker 14: and over and over again, And I think you're absolutely right.

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Speaker 14: It lends a lot of credibility when you're hearing the

616
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Speaker 14: same tactics and methods of control and abuse and torture

617
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Speaker 14: that are being used by the trafficker over and over again.

618
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Speaker 14: I mean, I've heard so many stories from survivors. I

619
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Speaker 14: mean things is as crazy as taking victims and putting

620
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Speaker 14: them in mini fridges in hotels as a form of punishment,

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Speaker 14: and closing the door so it was airtight, right, these things.

622
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Speaker 14: People can't even sath them that these things happened. But unfortunately,

623
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Speaker 14: in the United States of America, this is happening every

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Speaker 14: single day.

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Speaker 3: Attorney Mark Agnifilo says prosecutors are being ridiculous. The two

626
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Speaker 3: women in question were not prostitutes, but former girlfriends, Combs

627
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Speaker 3: and Agnifilo say they look forward to proving in court

628
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Speaker 3: that no one was trafficked and no one participated in

629
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Speaker 3: sex acts they did not consent to.

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Speaker 1: So the defense here is they were not prostitutes. That's

631
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Speaker 1: the defense. Robert Crispin, how many criminals have we helped

632
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Speaker 1: put behind bars? And they always do the same thing

633
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Speaker 1: over and ever. Yes, this alleged victim is a male,

634
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Speaker 1: but it's the same story. I went to a party,

635
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Speaker 1: or I went to further my career, I had a drink,

636
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Speaker 1: I passed out, I wake up, my rear end hurts.

637
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Speaker 1: That's what happens over and over again.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's the common theme, isn't And they're all pretty

639
00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:02,680
Speaker 5: much the exact same.

640
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Speaker 8: And you know, Nancy, you've been.

641
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Speaker 5: In a grand jury. I've been in a grand jury

642
00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:09,680
Speaker 5: and we've sat in them and listen. There was a

643
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Speaker 5: lot of testimony from each one of these witnesses to

644
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Speaker 5: that jury panel that was very convincing that what happened

645
00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:22,280
Speaker 5: to them was criminal, and what happened to them showed

646
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Speaker 5: that this racketeering u Rico thing started well before the

647
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Speaker 5: indictment states, so it brought it back now to what

648
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Speaker 5: two thousand and four, So these people just didn't go

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Speaker 5: in and say one or two things. Grand Jury is

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Speaker 5: a lot of people, and you do a lot of talking,

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Speaker 5: and you have to convince these people that it actually happened.

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Speaker 5: And they rate you and they look at you and

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Speaker 5: they see if they believe you.

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Speaker 4: They don't just listen to you.

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Speaker 1: But I'm so glad you mentioned that this indictment, it's

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Speaker 1: not just the Feds from a federal grand jury. And

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Speaker 1: as you said, you've sat in. I've conducted grand jury

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Speaker 1: seedings before for years, and there's somewhere between twenty and

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Speaker 1: forty grand gurrrs secret grand your rs, and they are

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Speaker 1: the ones that say yay or nay to an indictment.

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Speaker 1: They either hand down a true bill or a no

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Speaker 1: bill in dit or don't indict. And they have the

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Speaker 1: opportunity and they do it of questioning each and every witness.

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Speaker 1: And they're not questions you can prepare for like you

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Speaker 1: can put up across a direct because you're in control

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Speaker 1: of those questions. When you open up the floor to

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Speaker 1: forty people from all walks of life, there's no telling

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Speaker 1: what question they're gonna ask. And the witness has to

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Speaker 1: respond then contemporaneously with the question. They can go, oh,

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Speaker 1: can I ask my lawyer? No, you have to answer then,

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Speaker 1: and they had that opportunity before handing down the superseding indictment.

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Speaker 1: Isn't that true, Crispin?

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Speaker 4: Absolutely?

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Speaker 5: And how many people have testified in front of the

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Speaker 5: grand jury and they come back.

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Speaker 4: With a no true bill?

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Speaker 5: So you know, or we're not indicting, I should say,

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Speaker 5: but obviously that didn't happen here.

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Speaker 4: But yes, you're right.

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Speaker 5: There's a lot of people, a lot of talking, a

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Speaker 5: lot of questions, a lot of credibility checking. These people

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Speaker 5: are reading these people as well. They're everyday people just

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Speaker 5: like you and I and everybody else out there.

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Speaker 8: And people are stupid.

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Speaker 4: They can look at people and they can read people.

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Speaker 4: And they're in grand jury for come for five minutes.

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Speaker 5: They're in there for a little bit of time, and

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Speaker 5: these people are looking at them and they're sizing them

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Speaker 5: up because they need to render a true bill or

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Speaker 5: a no true bill.

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Speaker 4: They need to authorize a superseding indictment or not.

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Speaker 5: So my opinion in what just happened with these new

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Speaker 5: witnesses and bringing this back in another four years These are.

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Speaker 4: Some pretty damn good credible witnesses.

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Speaker 1: I tell you this, I bet he did get any pain.

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Speaker 1: We wait as just to sun Falls. Goodbye rand Boo