1 00:00:00,920 --> 00:00:12,200 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, Ditty Boohoo, Shawn Puppy Combs 2 00:00:12,240 --> 00:00:16,840 Speaker 1: behind bars? What is his life like? This? As Ditty 3 00:00:17,040 --> 00:00:22,160 Speaker 1: whines trying to get transferred to another more cushy jail, 4 00:00:22,320 --> 00:00:27,080 Speaker 1: this as charges seemingly mount, I'm Nancy Grace, this is 5 00:00:27,120 --> 00:00:30,320 Speaker 1: Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us. What are 6 00:00:30,360 --> 00:00:35,880 Speaker 1: we learning about Diddy Shawn Comb's life behind bars? Listen well? 7 00:00:35,880 --> 00:00:39,120 Speaker 2: Initial reports said Shawn Combs is housed in the special 8 00:00:39,159 --> 00:00:42,559 Speaker 2: Housing unit at the Metropolitan Detention Center. We now know 9 00:00:42,680 --> 00:00:45,839 Speaker 2: the music mogul is on suicide watch Guards check on 10 00:00:45,960 --> 00:00:48,600 Speaker 2: Comb's on the hour, every hour to ensure the rapper 11 00:00:48,600 --> 00:00:51,400 Speaker 2: has made no attempts to harm himself. The extra monitoring 12 00:00:51,520 --> 00:00:54,240 Speaker 2: is reportedly a standard practice at the jail for new 13 00:00:54,400 --> 00:00:58,800 Speaker 2: high profile inmates, and not the result of Combs's psychological exam. 14 00:00:58,840 --> 00:01:04,120 Speaker 2: At Intake, defense Bernie Mark Agnifilow claims his client is strong, healthy, confident, 15 00:01:04,240 --> 00:01:07,360 Speaker 2: and focused on his defense after spending six hours with 16 00:01:07,440 --> 00:01:09,919 Speaker 2: Combs at MDC after baylist denied. 17 00:01:10,160 --> 00:01:14,080 Speaker 1: So let me understand what's happening. Is it true that 18 00:01:14,200 --> 00:01:19,080 Speaker 1: Sean Comebs aka Ditty has been placed and a suicide 19 00:01:19,160 --> 00:01:25,840 Speaker 1: watch ward when he is not really suicidal, joining me 20 00:01:25,880 --> 00:01:27,600 Speaker 1: in all Star panel to make sense of what we're 21 00:01:27,640 --> 00:01:31,360 Speaker 1: hearing right now, and joining me on the scene. Crime 22 00:01:31,400 --> 00:01:36,000 Speaker 1: Online dot Com investigative reporter Angelica Martinez. Angelica, thank you 23 00:01:36,040 --> 00:01:38,600 Speaker 1: for being with us. What do we know about the 24 00:01:38,640 --> 00:01:40,600 Speaker 1: so called suicide ward? 25 00:01:41,480 --> 00:01:46,520 Speaker 3: Yes, Nancy. So, according to some reports, Sean Puffy Combs Akap, 26 00:01:46,800 --> 00:01:50,559 Speaker 3: Diddy Akay Brother Love has allegedly been placed on suicide 27 00:01:50,600 --> 00:01:53,720 Speaker 3: watch and he is being held behind me in the 28 00:01:53,720 --> 00:01:59,320 Speaker 3: Metropolitan Detention Center in Brooklyn. The suicide watch, as we heard, 29 00:01:59,600 --> 00:02:02,200 Speaker 3: is you a standard practice from you inmates as they 30 00:02:02,200 --> 00:02:05,200 Speaker 3: are being in taken into the detention facility And. 31 00:02:05,240 --> 00:02:08,880 Speaker 1: Jala Ka Martinez, did you actually just say that all 32 00:02:09,080 --> 00:02:12,600 Speaker 1: new inmates go to the medical ward? Did you say that? No, 33 00:02:13,240 --> 00:02:16,280 Speaker 1: that's not true. I think it's just Diddy is on 34 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:17,280 Speaker 1: the medical ward. 35 00:02:17,400 --> 00:02:19,640 Speaker 3: We know what happened to exein the last time. He 36 00:02:19,720 --> 00:02:23,000 Speaker 3: was in the Metropolitan Correction Center, which is part of 37 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:25,239 Speaker 3: the Federal Borough of Prisons, which is what the MDC 38 00:02:25,400 --> 00:02:28,120 Speaker 3: is also part of. So this is just a standard 39 00:02:28,120 --> 00:02:30,400 Speaker 3: practice to make sure that we can carry out justice 40 00:02:30,440 --> 00:02:33,080 Speaker 3: to its fullest term. So that is allegedly where Sean 41 00:02:33,400 --> 00:02:36,560 Speaker 3: Puffy Combs is currently being held as far as we know. 42 00:02:36,680 --> 00:02:39,919 Speaker 3: But again I want to highlight that his attorney said 43 00:02:39,960 --> 00:02:44,079 Speaker 3: that he Diddy Sean Puffy Combes is strong and healthy 44 00:02:44,160 --> 00:02:48,200 Speaker 3: and focusing on preparing his defense. So reports are a 45 00:02:48,240 --> 00:02:50,600 Speaker 3: little mixed on that. But yes, he's currently being held 46 00:02:50,600 --> 00:02:53,000 Speaker 3: in the MDC, which is right behind me as we know. 47 00:02:54,120 --> 00:02:58,400 Speaker 3: And we have a former warden, Cameron Lindsay, who is 48 00:02:58,440 --> 00:03:01,800 Speaker 3: actually on record as saying that Diddy poses as a 49 00:03:01,960 --> 00:03:06,840 Speaker 3: very attractive target for other inmates and the MDC saying, quote, 50 00:03:07,120 --> 00:03:10,320 Speaker 3: to deliver a hit on him would be considered a 51 00:03:10,480 --> 00:03:14,400 Speaker 3: bad of honor end quote. So Diddy is in quite 52 00:03:14,400 --> 00:03:17,440 Speaker 3: a hairy situation. Whether she is on suicide watch, we're 53 00:03:17,480 --> 00:03:21,240 Speaker 3: just surrounded by other inmates. Doesn't seem like it'll be 54 00:03:21,400 --> 00:03:24,239 Speaker 3: going too well for him inside the MDC anytime soon. 55 00:03:24,639 --> 00:03:30,519 Speaker 1: Joining me at the MDC Metropolitan Detention Center, Angelica Martinez, Angelica, 56 00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:37,920 Speaker 1: please stay right there. Interesting that Seawn Comes's lawyer is 57 00:03:37,960 --> 00:03:42,200 Speaker 1: worried about him being a target of a hit. I 58 00:03:42,440 --> 00:03:50,120 Speaker 1: just finished Ditty's former fiance, now deceased Kim Porter's book, 59 00:03:50,760 --> 00:03:55,600 Speaker 1: Kim's Lost Words. Now this has been published recently posthumously 60 00:03:55,960 --> 00:04:01,280 Speaker 1: after she died, and it details a lot, a lot 61 00:04:01,400 --> 00:04:06,360 Speaker 1: about Sean Puffy comes sex proclivities. Don't care, don't care. 62 00:04:08,040 --> 00:04:13,080 Speaker 1: What I care about is forcing sex on other people 63 00:04:13,720 --> 00:04:19,760 Speaker 1: and even more important, ordering not just the hit on 64 00:04:19,839 --> 00:04:26,560 Speaker 1: Tupac Shakur allegedly, but also the hit on Tupac Shaker 65 00:04:26,760 --> 00:04:30,760 Speaker 1: in an elevator where he was shot before he was 66 00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:36,800 Speaker 1: shot and killed. He survived that hit and according to 67 00:04:36,880 --> 00:04:41,440 Speaker 1: kim Porter, if this is to be believed, the attack 68 00:04:41,520 --> 00:04:48,039 Speaker 1: on Big the notorious Big Biggie. Is this real? But 69 00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:53,280 Speaker 1: now the tables have certainly turned. Now his lawyer is 70 00:04:53,279 --> 00:04:58,160 Speaker 1: worried about him being the object of a hit behind bars. 71 00:04:59,520 --> 00:05:03,680 Speaker 1: Straight out to renowned psychoanalyst doctor Bethany Marshall joining us, 72 00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:06,240 Speaker 1: author of deal Breaker. You can see her on Peacock. 73 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:10,119 Speaker 1: Doctor Bethany, thank you for joining us. The tables have turned, 74 00:05:10,160 --> 00:05:13,159 Speaker 1: and I am not in any way condoning more violence. 75 00:05:14,279 --> 00:05:17,120 Speaker 1: But this is quite the come up. It's to be 76 00:05:17,279 --> 00:05:21,039 Speaker 1: concerned about a hit by an unknown inmate behind bars 77 00:05:21,279 --> 00:05:26,000 Speaker 1: when according to his fiance, he was the one ordering hits. 78 00:05:26,400 --> 00:05:26,800 Speaker 1: That's right. 79 00:05:26,920 --> 00:05:31,160 Speaker 4: Nancy Puff Diddy aka Love has been in full power 80 00:05:31,200 --> 00:05:35,360 Speaker 4: and control in every area of his life, including being 81 00:05:35,400 --> 00:05:38,799 Speaker 4: able to cheat on girlfriends, being able to force sex 82 00:05:38,880 --> 00:05:42,960 Speaker 4: partners to have hours of sex with unwanted partners while 83 00:05:42,960 --> 00:05:46,480 Speaker 4: on ecstasy and on other jugs drugs. He is always 84 00:05:46,680 --> 00:05:50,120 Speaker 4: pulling the leavers of power behind the scenes. So the 85 00:05:50,240 --> 00:05:54,520 Speaker 4: question is behind bars, would he really be suicidal? I mean, 86 00:05:54,600 --> 00:05:57,640 Speaker 4: on the one hand, he's impulsive and aggressive, which can 87 00:05:57,680 --> 00:06:01,280 Speaker 4: be a precursor to suicidality. On the other, Nancy, he 88 00:06:01,320 --> 00:06:04,800 Speaker 4: loves himself so much, and he is kind of brandiose 89 00:06:04,880 --> 00:06:08,160 Speaker 4: he thinks he's controlling everything from behind bars. I tell it, 90 00:06:08,279 --> 00:06:10,240 Speaker 4: he really thinks he's going to be there forever. 91 00:06:10,360 --> 00:06:14,960 Speaker 1: I'm very concerned specifically about the allegations in Kim Porter's book. 92 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:19,200 Speaker 1: Now this was released posthumously after she passed. Okay, his 93 00:06:19,480 --> 00:06:25,920 Speaker 1: longtime love, his fiance. We've been told, and I question 94 00:06:26,440 --> 00:06:30,560 Speaker 1: on page twenty six in my handwritten notes, does Sean 95 00:06:30,600 --> 00:06:36,000 Speaker 1: Puffy Combs aka Diddy hate women, because according to her, 96 00:06:36,440 --> 00:06:41,640 Speaker 1: he by far preferred sex with males. Do No, I 97 00:06:41,640 --> 00:06:45,640 Speaker 1: don't care who he sleeps with. I do care if 98 00:06:45,680 --> 00:06:48,039 Speaker 1: it turns into rape or if it turns into a 99 00:06:48,080 --> 00:06:52,279 Speaker 1: sex attack. That I care about. But I'm curious. Doctor 100 00:06:52,320 --> 00:06:58,080 Speaker 1: Bethany I'm curious if this is true, would that be 101 00:06:58,120 --> 00:07:04,720 Speaker 1: a reason logical reason to drug women in video them 102 00:07:04,880 --> 00:07:09,880 Speaker 1: and all of these compromising situations, being raped while they're 103 00:07:09,920 --> 00:07:14,440 Speaker 1: on drugs, having them beaten so badly they have to 104 00:07:14,480 --> 00:07:17,200 Speaker 1: go hide out to rehabilitate and get rid of their bruises. 105 00:07:18,080 --> 00:07:20,440 Speaker 1: Is that an underlined And of course I'm just a 106 00:07:20,440 --> 00:07:23,720 Speaker 1: former prosecutor. The why is not anything I would have 107 00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:27,200 Speaker 1: to prove to a jury. However, practically speaking, a jury 108 00:07:27,240 --> 00:07:30,920 Speaker 1: would want to know that. Is that psychological reason to 109 00:07:30,920 --> 00:07:34,040 Speaker 1: torment women and degrade them and debate them because you 110 00:07:34,120 --> 00:07:36,240 Speaker 1: really don't want to be with them, you know, Nancy. 111 00:07:36,320 --> 00:07:40,080 Speaker 4: It's one of many reasons to torment and torture women, 112 00:07:40,160 --> 00:07:43,360 Speaker 4: you know. According to the Diagnostic and Statistical Statistical Manual 113 00:07:43,400 --> 00:07:47,280 Speaker 4: of Mental Disorders, there are five perversions, and p did 114 00:07:47,320 --> 00:07:51,160 Speaker 4: he has every single one. Fraudiism, which is rubbing up 115 00:07:51,160 --> 00:07:58,600 Speaker 4: against an unsuspecting person, exhibitionism, voyeurism, and sadism. Sadism is 116 00:07:58,640 --> 00:08:03,600 Speaker 4: when you when you obtain sexual pleasure from inflicting cruelty 117 00:08:03,680 --> 00:08:04,400 Speaker 4: on other people. 118 00:08:04,520 --> 00:08:05,800 Speaker 1: In fact, with the true. 119 00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:10,040 Speaker 4: Perversion, the man or the person who's perverse cannot achieve 120 00:08:10,240 --> 00:08:15,120 Speaker 4: orgasm or ejaculation without engaging in the perversion. So he 121 00:08:15,200 --> 00:08:19,840 Speaker 4: can only achieve orgasm when he's orchestrating all of these 122 00:08:19,920 --> 00:08:24,280 Speaker 4: freak offs and committing cruel acts against women, and in fact, 123 00:08:24,320 --> 00:08:28,760 Speaker 4: with perversions, notoriously, the perverse person cannot relate to others 124 00:08:28,840 --> 00:08:32,240 Speaker 4: as full individuals with thoughts, feelings, and emotions of their own. 125 00:08:32,600 --> 00:08:35,640 Speaker 4: They just become objects to triumph oward and they become 126 00:08:35,679 --> 00:08:36,520 Speaker 4: sexual objects. 127 00:08:36,600 --> 00:08:39,600 Speaker 1: At that, I ought to be very clear, Sean Puffy 128 00:08:39,600 --> 00:08:43,719 Speaker 1: Coombs aka Diddy is not charged with pedophilia. He has 129 00:08:43,760 --> 00:08:48,479 Speaker 1: not been convicted of anything yet, and under our jurisprudence, 130 00:08:48,520 --> 00:08:52,280 Speaker 1: he remains innocent until proven guilty. And that is a fact. 131 00:08:52,520 --> 00:08:54,120 Speaker 1: But I got to tell you straight out to high 132 00:08:54,160 --> 00:08:59,040 Speaker 1: profile criminal defense attorney Tim Janssen, former federal prosecutor and 133 00:08:59,120 --> 00:09:03,720 Speaker 1: now legal analysts Tallahasee Democrat. Tim, here's the thing about 134 00:09:03,720 --> 00:09:07,959 Speaker 1: this book by kim Porter. One is it by kim Porter? 135 00:09:08,200 --> 00:09:14,199 Speaker 1: Because it has an as told to here? So is 136 00:09:14,280 --> 00:09:18,640 Speaker 1: it really from her diaries? Okay? Number one? That would 137 00:09:18,679 --> 00:09:22,920 Speaker 1: have to be verified and authenticated. But if it is true, 138 00:09:23,400 --> 00:09:28,160 Speaker 1: Tim Janssen, it's still here say, and it would be 139 00:09:28,360 --> 00:09:30,480 Speaker 1: very hard to get this into a court of law 140 00:09:30,640 --> 00:09:33,280 Speaker 1: unless you know you can beat the hearsay rule with 141 00:09:33,440 --> 00:09:37,800 Speaker 1: a lot over twenty exceptions, such as deathbed declarations, and 142 00:09:38,600 --> 00:09:41,520 Speaker 1: according to a deathbed declaration, she asked for this to 143 00:09:41,559 --> 00:09:45,320 Speaker 1: be published after her death, and she notes that it 144 00:09:45,360 --> 00:09:50,160 Speaker 1: will hurt her children when they read it. But you know, 145 00:09:50,520 --> 00:09:54,080 Speaker 1: it's so full of very serious allegation. Is not just 146 00:09:54,120 --> 00:09:57,000 Speaker 1: the sex, the forced sex allegations that we already know of. 147 00:09:57,520 --> 00:10:02,400 Speaker 1: It talks about celebrities in and out Diddy's home, all 148 00:10:02,480 --> 00:10:06,360 Speaker 1: of them sleeping with him and or others. Is that true, 149 00:10:06,400 --> 00:10:09,760 Speaker 1: don't know. But what concerns me the most him Jansen, 150 00:10:10,360 --> 00:10:16,640 Speaker 1: is the very clear and very rich in detail circumstances 151 00:10:16,679 --> 00:10:22,120 Speaker 1: and conversations that she hears about ordering the hit on 152 00:10:22,800 --> 00:10:28,000 Speaker 1: Biggie Notorious Big and Tupac sycur What about it? All? 153 00:10:28,080 --> 00:10:28,240 Speaker 5: Right? 154 00:10:28,280 --> 00:10:30,920 Speaker 6: So it is here saying I'm not sure it's relevant. 155 00:10:30,920 --> 00:10:32,640 Speaker 6: I'm not sure on her four h four B that 156 00:10:32,679 --> 00:10:35,800 Speaker 6: would be admissible in any way. I'm not sure that 157 00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:39,359 Speaker 6: would satisfy a dying declaration. As you know, dying declaration 158 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:43,160 Speaker 6: impending death has to be occurring or about to occur, 159 00:10:43,559 --> 00:10:46,920 Speaker 6: which gives it a dish of reliability. Now, if they 160 00:10:46,960 --> 00:10:50,760 Speaker 6: can find witnesses who can verify any of these facts 161 00:10:51,080 --> 00:10:54,400 Speaker 6: that they eyewitness and they probably are going out there 162 00:10:54,440 --> 00:10:58,480 Speaker 6: now trying to find these witnesses they could call if 163 00:10:58,480 --> 00:11:01,120 Speaker 6: it's part of the charges in the in the allegation. 164 00:11:01,240 --> 00:11:04,040 Speaker 1: Hey, Tim Jansen, I like you have already been thinking 165 00:11:04,040 --> 00:11:07,960 Speaker 1: about those issues. This is a bombshell right here. If 166 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:10,520 Speaker 1: it's true, if she really said this, if I can 167 00:11:10,600 --> 00:11:13,480 Speaker 1: prove this and authenticate it came from her writings and 168 00:11:13,520 --> 00:11:17,280 Speaker 1: these are her words. But think about it, Jensen, because 169 00:11:17,480 --> 00:11:23,720 Speaker 1: what she says she overheard were conversations with another person, 170 00:11:24,040 --> 00:11:30,320 Speaker 1: So there is another witness. And again, the federal indictment 171 00:11:31,200 --> 00:11:34,520 Speaker 1: does not touch on the Tupac Shakur killing or the 172 00:11:34,559 --> 00:11:39,400 Speaker 1: notorious Big killing, so that would have to be another case. 173 00:11:39,679 --> 00:11:44,200 Speaker 1: What I'm saying is charges could be mounting right now 174 00:11:44,240 --> 00:11:47,680 Speaker 1: because once the Feds get ahold of you. Isn't this true, Tim, 175 00:11:47,880 --> 00:11:51,200 Speaker 1: You are a federal prosecutor now defense attorney. What's the 176 00:11:51,200 --> 00:11:55,920 Speaker 1: Feds get their hooks in you, You're not going anywhere. 177 00:11:56,280 --> 00:11:59,760 Speaker 1: They dig deeper and deeper and deeper. And I would 178 00:11:59,760 --> 00:12:03,839 Speaker 1: not be surprised if more charges were added as part 179 00:12:04,120 --> 00:12:08,480 Speaker 1: of in furtherance of the criminal enterprise they've already charged. 180 00:12:08,720 --> 00:12:11,600 Speaker 6: Oh, I think you are exactly right. The criminal enterprise 181 00:12:11,679 --> 00:12:16,000 Speaker 6: has many tenants, and you know, once he's in custody 182 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:18,080 Speaker 6: and he's a way and he doesn't have the power 183 00:12:18,080 --> 00:12:21,400 Speaker 6: over people. People a lot more willing to talk. And 184 00:12:21,440 --> 00:12:24,360 Speaker 6: a person who was not who was protected, who now 185 00:12:24,480 --> 00:12:27,320 Speaker 6: is looking at fifteen twenty thirty years in prison, they 186 00:12:27,400 --> 00:12:30,319 Speaker 6: might be willing to talk knowing that he's in custody 187 00:12:30,360 --> 00:12:32,800 Speaker 6: and probably can't reach him, and they could hide that 188 00:12:32,920 --> 00:12:35,520 Speaker 6: business and don't have to disclose his testimony for quite 189 00:12:35,520 --> 00:12:38,040 Speaker 6: a while. So you could see an amended in a 190 00:12:38,040 --> 00:12:40,559 Speaker 6: superseding indictment which could add other charge. 191 00:12:40,679 --> 00:12:43,160 Speaker 1: Another question, and this goes straight out to Shannon and Henry. Well, 192 00:12:43,160 --> 00:12:45,640 Speaker 1: I'm going to need a shrink on this one too, Shannon, President, 193 00:12:45,720 --> 00:12:50,280 Speaker 1: founder SASS, which is Surviving Assault Standing Strong, a nonprofit 194 00:12:50,559 --> 00:12:54,760 Speaker 1: to help eradicate six trafficking and abuse on women. Shannon, Henry, 195 00:12:54,880 --> 00:12:57,440 Speaker 1: I kept reading this, you know, every page, I'm like, 196 00:12:57,520 --> 00:13:00,280 Speaker 1: why does she stay with him? Why did you Orter 197 00:13:00,400 --> 00:13:05,760 Speaker 1: stay with Combs? She's hearing allegedly, according to her, planning 198 00:13:05,800 --> 00:13:08,600 Speaker 1: a hit on Tupac Shakur, and then it did happen. 199 00:13:08,840 --> 00:13:12,000 Speaker 1: You know he was shot in an elevator years before 200 00:13:12,040 --> 00:13:16,800 Speaker 1: he's finally killed. He survived that, and he suspected that 201 00:13:17,040 --> 00:13:21,400 Speaker 1: Sean Combs was behind that hit. Okay, and according to Porter, 202 00:13:21,679 --> 00:13:26,400 Speaker 1: he was. Then she overhears sitting at the table. It's 203 00:13:26,440 --> 00:13:28,800 Speaker 1: not like she's listening at the door. She's sitting there 204 00:13:29,160 --> 00:13:33,079 Speaker 1: hearing the discussion of no more protection for Biggie. If 205 00:13:33,120 --> 00:13:36,960 Speaker 1: Biggie's not loyal to Combs one hundred and fifty percent, 206 00:13:37,760 --> 00:13:40,920 Speaker 1: then Combs can't protect him anymore. And what oh, what 207 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:43,320 Speaker 1: if he gets killed? And he goes so far to 208 00:13:43,400 --> 00:13:49,120 Speaker 1: say in this book Shannon, that Biggie is worth more 209 00:13:49,160 --> 00:13:53,640 Speaker 1: to Comb's dead than alive. Why because it would ignite 210 00:13:54,520 --> 00:13:59,560 Speaker 1: news and rumors about East Coast West Coast feud, and 211 00:13:59,640 --> 00:14:04,320 Speaker 1: it would help his business. Believe it or not. Again, 212 00:14:04,600 --> 00:14:07,440 Speaker 1: this has to be authenticated. So my question to you is, 213 00:14:07,440 --> 00:14:11,160 Speaker 1: Shannon Henry, if she's hearing him, if she's hearing him 214 00:14:11,280 --> 00:14:16,800 Speaker 1: plotting these crimes, these killings, these shootings, why would she 215 00:14:16,920 --> 00:14:21,960 Speaker 1: stay with him? Why do women stay with violent men 216 00:14:22,240 --> 00:14:23,760 Speaker 1: and risk their own lives. 217 00:14:24,240 --> 00:14:28,480 Speaker 7: It's really simple, Nancy. It boils down to fear. Nobody 218 00:14:28,600 --> 00:14:30,680 Speaker 7: comes up and punches you in the face and says, 219 00:14:30,720 --> 00:14:31,920 Speaker 7: would you like to go on a date? 220 00:14:32,520 --> 00:14:32,680 Speaker 8: Right? 221 00:14:32,840 --> 00:14:36,120 Speaker 7: That's we would never go. So what happens instead is 222 00:14:36,160 --> 00:14:39,200 Speaker 7: they work their way into your life. They're kind, They 223 00:14:39,200 --> 00:14:42,000 Speaker 7: put you on a pedestal and you feel like everything's good. 224 00:14:42,040 --> 00:14:45,560 Speaker 7: They see me, they get me, until that pedestal turns 225 00:14:45,600 --> 00:14:49,160 Speaker 7: into a spotlight and you realize you are in a 226 00:14:49,200 --> 00:14:52,720 Speaker 7: spotlight only to be controlled, only to be manipulated, and 227 00:14:52,760 --> 00:14:56,320 Speaker 7: only to be hurt so that they gain what they want. 228 00:14:56,400 --> 00:14:59,480 Speaker 7: And you stay because you're afraid to leave. And when 229 00:14:59,520 --> 00:15:03,320 Speaker 7: we look at him history of arson, physical violence, gun violence, 230 00:15:03,480 --> 00:15:06,120 Speaker 7: mental anguish that he inflicts on people, as well as 231 00:15:06,160 --> 00:15:10,960 Speaker 7: sexual violence and allegedly murder, it's really clear why somebody 232 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:12,400 Speaker 7: would be afraid to walk out of the. 233 00:15:12,440 --> 00:15:21,080 Speaker 1: Dam crime stories with Nancy Grace. 234 00:15:24,920 --> 00:15:27,520 Speaker 9: In addition to snacks and hygiene items, did he has 235 00:15:27,560 --> 00:15:30,640 Speaker 9: the option to purchase full meals from the MDC Commissary. 236 00:15:30,840 --> 00:15:34,880 Speaker 9: His options include stuffed chicken with rice, eggplant, parmesan bone 237 00:15:34,920 --> 00:15:38,040 Speaker 9: in chicken, a rib steak, or beef chillant. The estimated 238 00:15:38,040 --> 00:15:40,320 Speaker 9: billionaire will have to watch his one hundred and sixty 239 00:15:40,360 --> 00:15:41,880 Speaker 9: dollars spending limit per trip. 240 00:15:42,040 --> 00:15:45,840 Speaker 1: What did I just hear a ribi. Let me check 241 00:15:45,880 --> 00:15:52,120 Speaker 1: that a ribi, beef stew, egg palm, chicken with rice? 242 00:15:52,240 --> 00:15:56,720 Speaker 1: What who? Wha? Well? Let me see grits, oatmeal, pancakes, syrup, 243 00:15:56,760 --> 00:15:59,760 Speaker 1: French toast. I'd like some French toast. What's for a 244 00:15:59,800 --> 00:16:05,560 Speaker 1: long unch? Chicken wrap, hamburgers, baked chick tacos? I would 245 00:16:05,600 --> 00:16:09,440 Speaker 1: love a taco dinner, roast beef. I'd like that Salisbury 246 00:16:09,520 --> 00:16:14,800 Speaker 1: steak sahitaes what okay? Sidney Summer joining me Crime online 247 00:16:14,800 --> 00:16:19,119 Speaker 1: dot Com investigative reporter joining us along with Angelica Martinez 248 00:16:19,160 --> 00:16:24,080 Speaker 1: outside of NDC Metropolitan Detention Center, Sidney Sumner A steak. 249 00:16:24,520 --> 00:16:26,680 Speaker 1: He can have a steak whenever he wants it. What 250 00:16:26,720 --> 00:16:27,600 Speaker 1: do you just order it? 251 00:16:27,760 --> 00:16:31,280 Speaker 10: Yes, there are several different meals that Diddy could be 252 00:16:31,480 --> 00:16:34,880 Speaker 10: ordering instead of what's on the regular daily menual, and 253 00:16:34,880 --> 00:16:38,720 Speaker 10: those meals talk anywhere from five dollars to nearly ten 254 00:16:38,800 --> 00:16:42,320 Speaker 10: dollars for that rib steak. But yes, he has access 255 00:16:42,360 --> 00:16:45,480 Speaker 10: to all of that, all kinds of smacks. He does 256 00:16:45,560 --> 00:16:48,480 Speaker 10: have to watch that one hundred and sixty dollars spending limit, 257 00:16:48,720 --> 00:16:51,160 Speaker 10: and it's unclear how many times a week he can 258 00:16:51,240 --> 00:16:54,800 Speaker 10: visit this commentary maybe once a week, twice a week. 259 00:16:55,120 --> 00:16:58,920 Speaker 1: It says one hundred and sixty bucks per trip. Yes, 260 00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:02,560 Speaker 1: so okay, I'm just understanding, trying to understand why he 261 00:17:03,080 --> 00:17:07,800 Speaker 1: is getting special treatment behind bars because his lawyer has 262 00:17:07,840 --> 00:17:11,919 Speaker 1: been very clear that he is not suicidal at all, 263 00:17:12,440 --> 00:17:15,960 Speaker 1: but yet he's on suicide watch. What does that mean? 264 00:17:16,080 --> 00:17:19,760 Speaker 1: That means he's very likely in the medical unit and 265 00:17:19,800 --> 00:17:23,080 Speaker 1: getting special privileges. Can we just get real for just 266 00:17:23,160 --> 00:17:26,440 Speaker 1: one moment. Chris mcdonnad joining me, Director cole Case Foundation, 267 00:17:26,520 --> 00:17:30,680 Speaker 1: former homicide detective, and former vice detective. He's a star 268 00:17:30,800 --> 00:17:36,000 Speaker 1: of YouTube channel The Interview Room. Chris, Please just can 269 00:17:36,080 --> 00:17:41,600 Speaker 1: we speak very clearly and candidly. When rich, famous people 270 00:17:42,080 --> 00:17:46,280 Speaker 1: go to jail and they're awaiting trial, they can't get 271 00:17:46,320 --> 00:17:51,760 Speaker 1: into a minimax, which is a mini let me see, 272 00:17:51,800 --> 00:17:54,880 Speaker 1: supervised jail, you know where they have golf and they 273 00:17:54,920 --> 00:17:57,560 Speaker 1: walk free and they wear regular clothes, that kind of thing. 274 00:17:57,920 --> 00:18:02,760 Speaker 1: They can't go there until after their trial. Okay, before 275 00:18:03,040 --> 00:18:07,000 Speaker 1: their trial. When they're in a holding faciliti facilities such 276 00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:13,879 Speaker 1: as MDC, they get special privileges. Why not, sure, but 277 00:18:14,600 --> 00:18:19,919 Speaker 1: they get a private room very often, they get special treatment, 278 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:26,119 Speaker 1: special meals, They don't integrate with GP general population, they 279 00:18:26,160 --> 00:18:30,159 Speaker 1: don't eat their meals with general population. It's a very 280 00:18:30,520 --> 00:18:34,760 Speaker 1: rarefied position to be in. I mean, granted that you 281 00:18:34,880 --> 00:18:37,760 Speaker 1: are in MDC, how great can it be? But it's 282 00:18:37,760 --> 00:18:41,959 Speaker 1: still kid glove treatment. He is not suicidal, Chris. His 283 00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:45,280 Speaker 1: own lawyer has stated that, So why is he getting 284 00:18:45,600 --> 00:18:48,320 Speaker 1: kid glove treatment? Chris mcdonna. 285 00:18:48,800 --> 00:18:53,480 Speaker 8: That is an absolutely great question, Nancy, Because in these units, 286 00:18:53,480 --> 00:18:57,080 Speaker 8: they're special housing units, right, the shoe unit, the whole 287 00:18:57,080 --> 00:19:00,359 Speaker 8: purpose of that is to house somebody in there because 288 00:19:00,400 --> 00:19:04,080 Speaker 8: of one they're a threat assessment comes up that this 289 00:19:04,200 --> 00:19:08,080 Speaker 8: guy is a high threat and or a high target threat, 290 00:19:08,480 --> 00:19:11,639 Speaker 8: meaning somebody else wants to take this person out. The 291 00:19:11,720 --> 00:19:14,840 Speaker 8: fact that this guy has an open buffet with one 292 00:19:14,920 --> 00:19:19,480 Speaker 8: hundred and sixty dollars tab on a daily visit is 293 00:19:19,560 --> 00:19:23,840 Speaker 8: absolutely ridiculous. And why that would be occurring has to 294 00:19:23,880 --> 00:19:28,080 Speaker 8: be because of his status, not necessarily because of anything 295 00:19:28,240 --> 00:19:32,280 Speaker 8: other than that in this particular facility. And the other 296 00:19:32,359 --> 00:19:34,359 Speaker 8: reason that they want to keep them in the shoe 297 00:19:34,440 --> 00:19:37,560 Speaker 8: unit is to keep the calms down, the communications down 298 00:19:37,920 --> 00:19:42,000 Speaker 8: to the outside because he may have influence on an 299 00:19:42,080 --> 00:19:43,120 Speaker 8: active investigation. 300 00:19:43,640 --> 00:19:48,280 Speaker 1: And I guess you know psychologically, doctor Bethany Marshall, coming 301 00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:54,800 Speaker 1: from such great luxury and such a lavish lifestyle, I 302 00:19:54,840 --> 00:19:58,160 Speaker 1: assume that's even harder to go to MDC when you've 303 00:19:58,160 --> 00:20:00,560 Speaker 1: been used to that as opposed to other people that 304 00:20:00,600 --> 00:20:03,760 Speaker 1: are not used to that lifestyle. But that doesn't make 305 00:20:03,840 --> 00:20:06,840 Speaker 1: it fair that he's being treated differently from the rest 306 00:20:06,880 --> 00:20:07,520 Speaker 1: of the inmates. 307 00:20:07,800 --> 00:20:10,160 Speaker 4: No, Nancy, this does not make its fair. I am 308 00:20:10,200 --> 00:20:13,960 Speaker 4: sure he is enraged at every limitation that's put on 309 00:20:14,080 --> 00:20:17,440 Speaker 4: him in this place. And I would imagine his offending 310 00:20:17,520 --> 00:20:20,960 Speaker 4: pattern as we've seen it unfold, having power over people, 311 00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:24,520 Speaker 4: being cruel, trying to have kind of dirt over other 312 00:20:24,560 --> 00:20:26,920 Speaker 4: people so that he can insinuate them into his lives. 313 00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:29,600 Speaker 4: I bet he's playing that out in the prison system, 314 00:20:29,680 --> 00:20:32,360 Speaker 4: trying to talk to the guards, butter them up, get 315 00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:35,520 Speaker 4: them to join in on his sexual fantasy so then 316 00:20:35,560 --> 00:20:37,680 Speaker 4: he can wrap them out and have power over them. 317 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:40,399 Speaker 4: The offending pattern is going to go on and on 318 00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:42,560 Speaker 4: no matter where he is, even if he has a 319 00:20:42,560 --> 00:20:45,720 Speaker 4: Bologney sandwich for lunch, he's going to have power, try 320 00:20:45,760 --> 00:20:48,080 Speaker 4: to have power over the person who made the Boloonney 321 00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:49,960 Speaker 4: sandwich for him. So it's going to be the same 322 00:20:50,040 --> 00:20:51,240 Speaker 4: no matter where he goes. 323 00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:53,800 Speaker 1: You know, we were talking earlier about how it would 324 00:20:53,840 --> 00:20:56,600 Speaker 1: quote be a badge of honor if someone managed to 325 00:20:56,680 --> 00:21:01,919 Speaker 1: attack Combs behind bars. Also, the reverse side of that 326 00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:07,520 Speaker 1: coin is that the jailers and other inmates, just as 327 00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:11,199 Speaker 1: it was with Epstein, can be easily paid off to 328 00:21:11,280 --> 00:21:15,480 Speaker 1: do him favors, be his butler, give him additional privileges 329 00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:19,520 Speaker 1: and items other people won't have. The next move, I 330 00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:21,919 Speaker 1: guarantee you on the upcoming court hearing in just a 331 00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:24,920 Speaker 1: few days is going to be trying to get him 332 00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:28,880 Speaker 1: to a cushy jail. Now, what will be the reason 333 00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:32,840 Speaker 1: the lawyer gives the judge something like I don't like it. 334 00:21:33,119 --> 00:21:36,240 Speaker 5: Listen, you can get certain number of federal inmates in 335 00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:39,480 Speaker 5: Axon County, New Jersey, and in my experience, it's just 336 00:21:40,200 --> 00:21:42,840 Speaker 5: it's just it's an easier place to deal with. I 337 00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:46,560 Speaker 5: think it's better for the person being housed there, and 338 00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:49,000 Speaker 5: it's easier to get access to him. 339 00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:53,240 Speaker 1: That's our friends from AP and that is the defense 340 00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:56,639 Speaker 1: attorney and a fellow speaking straight out to former federal 341 00:21:56,640 --> 00:22:01,879 Speaker 1: prosecutor now defense attorney Tim Janssen. So you don't just 342 00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:03,840 Speaker 1: go in front of the judge when you got MDC 343 00:22:04,040 --> 00:22:07,159 Speaker 1: full of a thousand people and so yeah, he doesn't 344 00:22:07,320 --> 00:22:12,600 Speaker 1: like it there. Now, that's not going to work. You 345 00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:14,680 Speaker 1: can't say I want to move to Essex County because 346 00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:18,479 Speaker 1: it's better. So what could the possible reason, a legal 347 00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:22,359 Speaker 1: reason for Cobs to be moved from MDC to Essex. 348 00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:23,920 Speaker 6: Well, he's going to have to come up with a 349 00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:27,560 Speaker 6: legal reason, like inability to get to provide legal counsel, 350 00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:31,760 Speaker 6: his access is denied or it's not as available in 351 00:22:31,960 --> 00:22:35,040 Speaker 6: Essex County. He's going to have to give a reason. Right, 352 00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:39,160 Speaker 6: he's in a shoe unit as they described for many reasons. 353 00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:42,640 Speaker 6: But communication too the outside world can still be done. 354 00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:45,320 Speaker 6: It can be done through his lawyers, who knows what 355 00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:48,919 Speaker 6: lawyer brings with them, paralegals who have contact with his people. 356 00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:52,960 Speaker 6: So he might still be in shoe, but he's still communicating. 357 00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:56,280 Speaker 6: This judge is probably not going to grant any kind 358 00:22:56,320 --> 00:22:59,439 Speaker 6: of movement. If there was any a judge in Federal 359 00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:01,200 Speaker 6: district there that would have granted him. 360 00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:02,679 Speaker 1: They put him up place so I can say. 361 00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:05,840 Speaker 6: Him it would have been the judge that he has. 362 00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:08,040 Speaker 6: He has assigned a very fair judge. 363 00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:10,639 Speaker 1: Hey, Tim, Yes, at any point. Were you ever a 364 00:23:10,760 --> 00:23:17,119 Speaker 1: judicial law clerk? No? No, So my first year as 365 00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:21,480 Speaker 1: a FED, I was a clerk to a federal magistrate. Yep. 366 00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:26,880 Speaker 1: They don't play by the way. And let me tell you, 367 00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:33,200 Speaker 1: I wait for it. The eating arrangements amongst the federal judges. 368 00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:37,520 Speaker 1: All right, wait, wait, I've got a point here. They 369 00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:41,480 Speaker 1: all go into typically the law library. It's big, and 370 00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:43,920 Speaker 1: all the law clerks and the judges go in. They're 371 00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:46,240 Speaker 1: usually the law clerk because they're writing all the memos 372 00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:49,439 Speaker 1: for the judge. They go in there, or unless they 373 00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:52,640 Speaker 1: have some fancy common area, but ours was the law library, 374 00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:55,240 Speaker 1: and they eat lunch all together. 375 00:23:55,560 --> 00:23:55,760 Speaker 5: You know. 376 00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:58,000 Speaker 1: They drift in and out just like any lunch room. Right, 377 00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:01,880 Speaker 1: So what about this judge going into the law library 378 00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:05,000 Speaker 1: to have his or her sandwich that he brought, he 379 00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:08,320 Speaker 1: she brought, and they sent down and they have to 380 00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:11,679 Speaker 1: look at the other judges and go, yeah, I did it. 381 00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:14,919 Speaker 1: I gave him bond, or yeah that was me. I 382 00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:18,720 Speaker 1: transferred him to Essex. Why not, that's not gonna happen. 383 00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:19,560 Speaker 1: What do you think? 384 00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:22,360 Speaker 6: Well, I will tell you that the magistrate judges get 385 00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:25,080 Speaker 6: the hint and they understand what the circuit judges want 386 00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:27,719 Speaker 6: they work for the district judge, so they're not going 387 00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:31,880 Speaker 6: to be granting bonds and giving liberal bonds to conservative judges. 388 00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:33,560 Speaker 6: On the other hand, if they have. 389 00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:37,600 Speaker 1: I mean, any federal judge's going to make a ruling 390 00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:40,399 Speaker 1: in this case, he she has to answer to the 391 00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:41,280 Speaker 1: other judges. 392 00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:45,600 Speaker 6: That's correct, and the magistrate definitely answers to the circuit 393 00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:49,959 Speaker 6: the district judges, and the district judge was not going 394 00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:52,919 Speaker 6: to grant bond. Even the pleading and the motions that 395 00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:57,639 Speaker 6: were filed by his lawyer. It was basically begging and 396 00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:01,639 Speaker 6: it raised every red flag, and judge would see fifty 397 00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:05,159 Speaker 6: million dollar bond and passports of his family and hiring 398 00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:06,200 Speaker 6: his own intelligence. 399 00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:08,760 Speaker 1: It was red flags all over it. 400 00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:10,560 Speaker 6: I don't know how the lawyer made that argument with 401 00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:11,280 Speaker 6: the straight face. 402 00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:15,360 Speaker 11: The DHS Department of Homeland Security source says Shawn Combs 403 00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:18,920 Speaker 11: kept sensitive and embarrassing videos from the sessions as collateral 404 00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:21,720 Speaker 11: to insure silence from his victims, who are often young 405 00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:25,040 Speaker 11: women barely old enough or still too young to legally 406 00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:28,960 Speaker 11: consent to sexual activity. He further says the recovered tape 407 00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:32,160 Speaker 11: show women completely out of it while male sex workers 408 00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:35,920 Speaker 11: assault them on Comb's orders. The investigator says, in his opinion, 409 00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:38,440 Speaker 11: Diddy's as bad as Jeffrey Epstein. 410 00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:45,400 Speaker 1: So that sounds like a surefire charge of blackmail when 411 00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:49,159 Speaker 1: you think about it. Sidney Summer joining me Crime Online 412 00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:53,520 Speaker 1: dot Com investigative reporter. We know these videos exist, and 413 00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:59,879 Speaker 1: now evidence is mounting that Sean Combe's Akapuffy Akapuff Daddy 414 00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:06,040 Speaker 1: aka did He aka love would use these embarrassing videos 415 00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:12,479 Speaker 1: to quote ensure the women's silence, in other words, black 416 00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:16,040 Speaker 1: mail them. See where I'm going with. 417 00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:20,080 Speaker 10: This, Sydney Absolutely, Nancy, and that is a very real possibility. 418 00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:23,200 Speaker 10: You know, before this indictment came out, all of these 419 00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:28,159 Speaker 10: alleged videos were all just whispers, all possibilities. Now we 420 00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:32,440 Speaker 10: know that those videos do exist, and those videos often 421 00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:36,000 Speaker 10: depict women who are barely old enough or still too 422 00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:40,679 Speaker 10: young to legally consent to any of these sexual escapades, 423 00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:44,879 Speaker 10: whether they were willing or not. So we know that 424 00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:48,440 Speaker 10: these videos exist and that cone help them over people's 425 00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:52,800 Speaker 10: head to keep them from speaking about what was happening 426 00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:56,520 Speaker 10: behind these closed doors and these alleged sex rooms in 427 00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:57,880 Speaker 10: his Miami mansion. 428 00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:03,160 Speaker 1: Okay, kill, we say that Sydney Summer is that it's 429 00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:07,119 Speaker 1: long been whispered. I don't know that it was necessarily whispered. 430 00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:12,240 Speaker 1: Has anybody heard of Eminem? For Pete's sake, one of 431 00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:17,879 Speaker 1: the greatest rappers that has ever lived. He's a lyrical genius. 432 00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:20,959 Speaker 1: I mean, if you listen to just he may not 433 00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:23,880 Speaker 1: like some of the words he uses, but the man 434 00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:28,840 Speaker 1: is brilliant. Everybody down the panel listen to this. Uh, 435 00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:33,880 Speaker 1: these are lyrics from Eminem. And he is talking about 436 00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:39,719 Speaker 1: I'll just say a friend, and he says, because they 437 00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:43,040 Speaker 1: like where my home is out, we stay. Yeah, what 438 00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:45,160 Speaker 1: we can just say? 439 00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:45,440 Speaker 4: What? 440 00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:53,159 Speaker 1: I'm like a rapper? Are ape r? Got so many essays? 441 00:27:53,280 --> 00:28:00,320 Speaker 1: Talking about friends? And then he says, Eminem says, wait, 442 00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:04,040 Speaker 1: he didn't just spell the word rapper and leave out 443 00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:10,680 Speaker 1: a P. Diddy? I mean, it's everybody blind. He's talking 444 00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:18,199 Speaker 1: about friends essays, he's talking about out West Combs and 445 00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:23,399 Speaker 1: he says, I'm like an inn, I'm like an r 446 00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:30,080 Speaker 1: a p E R raper got so many essay friends, 447 00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:34,119 Speaker 1: And then Eminem has a well, let me say backbone 448 00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:36,920 Speaker 1: since I gave up cussing. Wait, he didn't just spell 449 00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:41,640 Speaker 1: the word rapper and leave out a P. Diddy? He's 450 00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:46,480 Speaker 1: clearly calling Combs a raper. And then he goes on 451 00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:51,360 Speaker 1: to say, r I p rest in peace, Biggie and Pack. 452 00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:54,960 Speaker 1: Both of y'all should be living. But I ain't trying 453 00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:58,120 Speaker 1: to beef with him because he might put a hit 454 00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:04,000 Speaker 1: on me like Teffee d get him. And that's the 455 00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:07,400 Speaker 1: only way you're going to be killing me. I mean, 456 00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:16,880 Speaker 1: Eminem puts it out there. Help me out, Jensen. This 457 00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:21,600 Speaker 1: is so clear. All this business about whispering about raping 458 00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:28,120 Speaker 1: women and forced orgies and hits, it's not whispers. Eminem 459 00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:30,320 Speaker 1: did a rap about it for Pete's sake. 460 00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:34,480 Speaker 6: Well, none of this activity was in silence, and it 461 00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:38,040 Speaker 6: was all known apparently through all the music industry in Hollywood. 462 00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:41,600 Speaker 6: Hollywood stars were showing up. And for Eminem to put 463 00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:44,200 Speaker 6: this out a these are his lyrics and did this 464 00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:49,520 Speaker 6: publicly and the way it's written and who's included, Boy, 465 00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:51,800 Speaker 6: he's got a lot of courage for Eminem to do that. 466 00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:07,120 Speaker 1: Crimes to with Nancy Grace, Will Seampa be comes aka? 467 00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:10,560 Speaker 1: Did he get moved to a better jail? We're waiting 468 00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:13,520 Speaker 1: to find that out. Another court hearing is set for 469 00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:16,920 Speaker 1: just a few days from now. It's called a status hearing, 470 00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:21,040 Speaker 1: But that's basically a catch all phrase for either side 471 00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:23,400 Speaker 1: to bring up whatever they want. Let me tell you 472 00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:25,960 Speaker 1: how this is going to work. We know what the 473 00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:30,120 Speaker 1: federal indictment says, but we have no idea what all 474 00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:34,960 Speaker 1: the evidence the state has Federal prosecutors have to back 475 00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:38,880 Speaker 1: up those claims right now while he is living it 476 00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:41,960 Speaker 1: up on a medical ward, even though his lawyer says 477 00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:48,120 Speaker 1: he is not suicidal. Right now, are the Fed's gathering 478 00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:54,000 Speaker 1: evidence to mount additional charges? It by far would not 479 00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:59,240 Speaker 1: be the first time that's happened. Charges like what, Evidence 480 00:30:59,440 --> 00:30:59,720 Speaker 1: like what? 481 00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:04,040 Speaker 9: According to a Homeland Security agent, Diddy's Miami mansion has 482 00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:08,200 Speaker 9: several rooms quote clearly dedicated to sex. The room stocked 483 00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:11,320 Speaker 9: with sex toys, bondage gear, and lingerie are covered in 484 00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:15,200 Speaker 9: hidden cameras that record participants from every possible angle. The 485 00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:18,160 Speaker 9: investigator claims did he usually watched in person, but he 486 00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:20,880 Speaker 9: could access the cameras from his phone or cast the 487 00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:23,240 Speaker 9: live stream to a TV anywhere in the house. 488 00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:28,080 Speaker 1: How likely could it be? Tim Janssen, I mean, we 489 00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:33,000 Speaker 1: see the Feds go forward with this indictment after Cassie 490 00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:39,480 Speaker 1: Ventura's attack video was leaked, where he drags her up 491 00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:42,280 Speaker 1: and down a hallway, beats her or kicks her. And 492 00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:45,240 Speaker 1: he is so boldest to come out in a luxury 493 00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:48,480 Speaker 1: hotel wearing nothing but a towel. There she is trying 494 00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:52,480 Speaker 1: to get away. This is what blew the whole Thoh yeah, 495 00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:58,240 Speaker 1: here he comes, here he comes. Now. According to sources, 496 00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:01,360 Speaker 1: she was oh running away away from a sex worker 497 00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:05,400 Speaker 1: in Diddy's room, which would mean it had to be 498 00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:08,960 Speaker 1: being videoed. It's also been claimed by the defense she 499 00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:13,040 Speaker 1: was leaving because she was jealous, leaving without shoes and 500 00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:15,880 Speaker 1: getting dragged back and beaten. Now that's not all. Wait 501 00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:21,360 Speaker 1: for it. This one our friends at CNN. Then after 502 00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:25,040 Speaker 1: he's dragged her that far, he waddles back to his 503 00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:29,280 Speaker 1: room holding his towel. Now watch comes. He goes down 504 00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:33,640 Speaker 1: to the end of the hall, sits down in frustration, 505 00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:37,960 Speaker 1: and throws an expensive base at the wall. Yeah. Basically 506 00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:41,640 Speaker 1: he can do anything and get away with it. My 507 00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:46,120 Speaker 1: point being, the Feds came out without the current indictment 508 00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:50,960 Speaker 1: after that video was released leaked. We got it from 509 00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:53,760 Speaker 1: our friends at CNN, my former TV home at HLM. 510 00:32:55,280 --> 00:33:00,720 Speaker 1: Now this book is out. Okay, what if anything are 511 00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:04,440 Speaker 1: they going to do? Triggered by the revelations in this 512 00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:09,480 Speaker 1: book after and if it's authenticated, I mean, it's very 513 00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:13,960 Speaker 1: in depth about planning a hit on Tupac Shakur and 514 00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:17,360 Speaker 1: on Bigie, very very clear. 515 00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:21,120 Speaker 6: Well, they're going to be probing through that book and 516 00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:25,280 Speaker 6: probing through the house, probing through witnesses. They probably have 517 00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:29,840 Speaker 6: teams of investigators that are doing each part of the investigation, 518 00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:33,280 Speaker 6: the Saxon violence and then possibly looking in bringing in 519 00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:37,280 Speaker 6: the people who were involved in the original assassination killing. 520 00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:42,040 Speaker 6: So if they get together and they can charge up 521 00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:47,440 Speaker 6: this enterprise, including murder, and they can prove it, then 522 00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:50,400 Speaker 6: P Diddy will never see the outside of prison. 523 00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:54,560 Speaker 1: Well here's another theory, Jens. And here's another theory. Even 524 00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:56,160 Speaker 1: if they don't go so far as to prove the 525 00:33:56,240 --> 00:34:02,280 Speaker 1: actual murder, there is the legal criminal compliant of conspiracy 526 00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:06,720 Speaker 1: to commit more sure. Also, what about Kim Porter? Listen? 527 00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:10,080 Speaker 2: Even more allegations against Sean Diddy Combs are emerging from 528 00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:14,400 Speaker 2: Combs's ex girlfriend, the late Kim Porter. Porter's friends have 529 00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:17,759 Speaker 2: leaked nearly sixty pages from the diary Porter kept during 530 00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:20,719 Speaker 2: her relationship with Combs in a memoir. The author of 531 00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:24,400 Speaker 2: Kim's Lost words, claims. The pages were provided by a 532 00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:27,760 Speaker 2: friend of Porter's who also claims to have tapes Porter 533 00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:31,360 Speaker 2: copied from Combs's files depicting Comb's having sex with a 534 00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:33,920 Speaker 2: male teenage pop star and more. 535 00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:36,920 Speaker 9: The diary pages reveal Comb's hits Porter for the first 536 00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:39,520 Speaker 9: time when she refuses to use a strap on with him. 537 00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:43,440 Speaker 9: Porter claims Comb's hosts quote unquote parties that are really 538 00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:47,720 Speaker 9: just orgies and quote everyone wanted in. Porter details finding 539 00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:51,319 Speaker 9: Combe's vault full of videotapes of Comb's encounters, many with 540 00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:54,439 Speaker 9: young men stars he had formerly managed at Bad Boy. 541 00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:57,360 Speaker 9: The author of the memoir was also provided a photo 542 00:34:57,440 --> 00:35:00,520 Speaker 9: of Porter using makeup to cover injuries Combs cause. 543 00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:05,520 Speaker 1: Does that support claims in the federal indictment that women 544 00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:09,000 Speaker 1: would have to go hide out for days for their 545 00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:12,000 Speaker 1: injuries to heal before they could be seen in public 546 00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:18,799 Speaker 1: after a Diddy freak off. Now listen to what we 547 00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:23,399 Speaker 1: hear from the defense attorney Mark Agnefello. This from our 548 00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:24,360 Speaker 1: friends at C and N. 549 00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:28,440 Speaker 3: Listen, how do you defend against allegations that he hit, kicked, 550 00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:33,080 Speaker 3: and dragged women when he's on video hitting, kicking, and 551 00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:33,960 Speaker 3: dragging a woman. 552 00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:36,680 Speaker 5: Sure he's not charged with hitting, kicking, and dragging. Well, 553 00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:39,640 Speaker 5: he's charged with sex trafficking and he didn't traffic anybody. 554 00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:43,920 Speaker 1: Okay, well, what did you hear that? Shannon Henry is 555 00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:50,160 Speaker 1: so perfect from Agnafello. She says, what about beating, kicking, 556 00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:53,239 Speaker 1: hitting women? And the defense attorney says, oh, well, he's 557 00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:55,920 Speaker 1: not charged with that. In other words, should you believe 558 00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:59,480 Speaker 1: me or your lying eyes? I mean, I saw the video, Shannon, 559 00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:02,839 Speaker 1: and lawyer's doing an incredible dodge right there. 560 00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:07,520 Speaker 7: He absolutely is. And that video shows a microcosm of 561 00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:12,560 Speaker 7: what the whole relationship with Cassie was. It's here's an object, 562 00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:14,680 Speaker 7: I'm in control of it. I'm going to do what 563 00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:17,360 Speaker 7: I want with it when I want. And that's what 564 00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:20,120 Speaker 7: he did. And you know, Ditty, I'm so sick of him, 565 00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:23,120 Speaker 7: I really am. And all of the playbooks that these 566 00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:26,759 Speaker 7: people have, whether we're talking about Naser or Cosby or 567 00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:30,560 Speaker 7: Epstein or Weinstein, they're all on a sliding scale with 568 00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:33,759 Speaker 7: all of the other rapists and pedophiles and traffickers who 569 00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:37,040 Speaker 7: serve no use in our society. 570 00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:40,960 Speaker 2: The former rapper Jamal Barrow breaks his silence since his 571 00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:43,799 Speaker 2: conviction and deportation for his role in the nineteen ninety 572 00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:46,440 Speaker 2: nine Club New York shooting. Now a leader in the 573 00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:49,960 Speaker 2: Belize House of Representatives, Barro maintains his innocence in the crime, 574 00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:52,840 Speaker 2: claiming he defended Ditty in the aftermath, only for the 575 00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:56,200 Speaker 2: Bad Boys founder to turn around and call witnesses to 576 00:36:56,239 --> 00:36:59,839 Speaker 2: testify against me. Barro says Sean Combs basically sent him 577 00:36:59,840 --> 00:37:03,760 Speaker 2: to prison and called Combs someone who ruined my life. Barrow, 578 00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:06,640 Speaker 2: just eighteen at the time, was sentenced to ten years 579 00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:10,320 Speaker 2: for assault. Barrow served nine years before he was deported 580 00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:11,759 Speaker 2: back to his native Belize. 581 00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:16,319 Speaker 1: Talk about charges mounting to doctor Bethany Marshall reround Psychoalys 582 00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:21,080 Speaker 1: joining us out of Beverly Hills. Doctor Bethany, someone on 583 00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:25,520 Speaker 1: the panel earlier said that witnesses may be more likely 584 00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:30,640 Speaker 1: to come forward now because Diddy is behind bars. Now. 585 00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:34,760 Speaker 1: This guy that we just heard about, former rapper Jamel Barrow, 586 00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:38,239 Speaker 1: who is now leading an up and up life out 587 00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:41,359 Speaker 1: of the country. Okay, he was part of the ninety 588 00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:44,040 Speaker 1: nine New York club shooting and he went down for 589 00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:47,960 Speaker 1: it nine years behind bars. Now he's a leader in 590 00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:51,200 Speaker 1: the police House of Representatives for Pete's sake. But with 591 00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:56,280 Speaker 1: Ditty behind bars, Moore is going to come out about 592 00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:58,680 Speaker 1: that ninety nine shooting where a woman was actually shot. 593 00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:02,960 Speaker 1: She lived, but she was shot. It implicated Jennifer Lopez. 594 00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:07,160 Speaker 1: So when we were talking about Diddy behind bars, what 595 00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:11,600 Speaker 1: how does that affect potential witnesses and victims that were 596 00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:14,640 Speaker 1: afraid to come forward before you know, Nancy. It could 597 00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:15,800 Speaker 1: cut both ways. 598 00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:18,120 Speaker 4: On the one hand, there could be witnesses who were 599 00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:20,560 Speaker 4: afraid to come come forward because he was going to 600 00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:22,839 Speaker 4: ruin their careers or put a hit out on them, 601 00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:26,280 Speaker 4: or threaten them in some way. On the other hand, 602 00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:30,959 Speaker 4: men like p Diddy have a preoccupation with other high 603 00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:34,160 Speaker 4: net worth individuals. That's why he threw all those big parties. 604 00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:37,719 Speaker 4: And I wouldn't be surprised to learn that in the 605 00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:42,440 Speaker 4: context of those parties, he took celebrities aside, showed them 606 00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:46,840 Speaker 4: pictures on his phone, bragged about a dungeon, bragged about 607 00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:51,400 Speaker 4: sex workers there, and like a spider pulling a little 608 00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:55,640 Speaker 4: fly into its web, he slowly started to implicate them. 609 00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:58,279 Speaker 4: So there are a lot of people who are afraid 610 00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:01,560 Speaker 4: to come forward now that all these allegations have come out, 611 00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:03,680 Speaker 4: because in some way they're afraid they're going to be 612 00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:07,279 Speaker 4: implicated they knew something and didn't say something about it. 613 00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:12,440 Speaker 4: So we have the powerless who are were terrified and 614 00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:16,280 Speaker 4: now could come forward, Nancy. We also have the power 615 00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:20,759 Speaker 4: full who did know something and now are afraid what 616 00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:22,240 Speaker 4: will come out about them. 617 00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:26,279 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Dr Bethany, you got to read this. You've 618 00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:28,680 Speaker 1: got to read this. Of course you have to take 619 00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:30,920 Speaker 1: it with a box of salt because it has not 620 00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:37,520 Speaker 1: been authenticated yet. But this is full of celebrities that 621 00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:41,440 Speaker 1: were in and out of orgies and more. Is it true. 622 00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:45,520 Speaker 1: I don't know, but if it is, Hollywood is going 623 00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:47,600 Speaker 1: to get a knock knock knock on the door for 624 00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:49,480 Speaker 1: these people to turn into witnesses. And I want you 625 00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:54,160 Speaker 1: to hear one thing, one more thing, guys, Diddy is 626 00:39:54,239 --> 00:40:00,000 Speaker 1: living in an alternate universe with a very distorted self image. Listen. 627 00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:04,319 Speaker 2: Combs started hosting his famous White parties in nineteen ninety eight, 628 00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:06,440 Speaker 2: and they quickly became the place to be on Labor 629 00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:09,840 Speaker 2: Day and invite reinforcing your status in the entertainment industry. 630 00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:13,240 Speaker 2: The parties have been hosted in the Hampton's, Beverly Hills 631 00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:16,239 Speaker 2: and even Saint Tropez, France. Many have called Combs a 632 00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:19,480 Speaker 2: modern day Gadsby, a nickname he relished, a. 633 00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:27,320 Speaker 1: Modern day Gatsby. Okay, my head spinning this as Diddy 634 00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:31,840 Speaker 1: behind bars. Boo hooo. I wonder how all of the 635 00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:37,239 Speaker 1: alleged victims feel. We wait as justice unfolds, and as 636 00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:40,719 Speaker 1: we head to the courtroom for ap Diddy status hearing. 637 00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:44,280 Speaker 1: And one more words are the wise just recently out 638 00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:48,160 Speaker 1: there a so called track from Justin Bieber about how 639 00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:52,040 Speaker 1: he lost his life his reputation at a Diddy party. 640 00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:57,040 Speaker 1: That's not real. That's Ai generated an'sy grace signing off 641 00:40:57,480 --> 00:40:57,879 Speaker 1: good night 642 00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:00,760 Speaker 10: At