1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,720 Speaker 1: It's time to get inside the Giants Hut. Let's go 2 00:00:03,920 --> 00:00:08,080 Speaker 1: Giants on the Giants Give Me some Job, part of 3 00:00:08,080 --> 00:00:11,559 Speaker 1: the Giants Podcast Networks. Welcome to another edition of The 4 00:00:11,560 --> 00:00:14,040 Speaker 1: Giants Little Podcast, brought to you by Citizens, the official 5 00:00:14,080 --> 00:00:16,400 Speaker 1: bank of the New York Football Giants. I am John Schmall. 6 00:00:16,480 --> 00:00:18,640 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for being with us today, everybody. 7 00:00:19,040 --> 00:00:20,800 Speaker 1: I did a bunch of interviews down at the Shrine 8 00:00:20,840 --> 00:00:24,040 Speaker 1: Bowl and Senior Bowl a couple of weeks ago. You 9 00:00:24,160 --> 00:00:25,960 Speaker 1: heard all the player interviews already. You should go back 10 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:30,520 Speaker 1: and listen to those five episodes. Over sixty player interviews, 11 00:00:30,680 --> 00:00:33,960 Speaker 1: give or take any callum sounds about right with the players. 12 00:00:33,960 --> 00:00:36,519 Speaker 1: If you haven't listened, it's only on podcast platforms, check 13 00:00:36,560 --> 00:00:38,720 Speaker 1: it out. Also had a chance to talk to a 14 00:00:38,720 --> 00:00:41,720 Speaker 1: bunch of the Giants coaches that were down at the games. 15 00:00:41,760 --> 00:00:43,800 Speaker 1: I started at the Shrine Bowl where I spoke to 16 00:00:44,320 --> 00:00:49,559 Speaker 1: Shane Bowen and John Agogu who coached down there, and 17 00:00:49,600 --> 00:00:52,640 Speaker 1: then the Senior Bowl. I had a chance to talk 18 00:00:52,680 --> 00:00:56,000 Speaker 1: to Joel Thomas, who was an offensive coordator of Mike Kafka, 19 00:00:56,000 --> 00:00:59,160 Speaker 1: who's the head coach, and then James Frintz Junior and 20 00:00:59,280 --> 00:01:01,240 Speaker 1: also had a chance to to Angela Baker, who coached 21 00:01:01,240 --> 00:01:03,920 Speaker 1: the offensive line and tight ends, respectively. So here are 22 00:01:03,960 --> 00:01:06,160 Speaker 1: those interviews, and we'll start off with Shane Bowen at 23 00:01:06,240 --> 00:01:08,880 Speaker 1: the Shrine Bowl. All right, we are after practice here 24 00:01:08,920 --> 00:01:11,600 Speaker 1: at the Shrine Bowl, John Schmilk, joined by the head 25 00:01:11,640 --> 00:01:14,320 Speaker 1: coach for one of the teams, Shane Bowen. Shane, you're 26 00:01:14,360 --> 00:01:16,640 Speaker 1: here coaching. You're on the West team. How has it 27 00:01:16,680 --> 00:01:19,000 Speaker 1: gone so far? Trying to teach a bunch of college 28 00:01:19,080 --> 00:01:22,000 Speaker 1: kids in NFL system in about what forty eight hours? 29 00:01:22,160 --> 00:01:23,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's been good. I mean it's a little bit 30 00:01:23,920 --> 00:01:26,800 Speaker 2: of a rat race early obviously, throwing a lot at them. 31 00:01:26,800 --> 00:01:28,800 Speaker 2: They got a bunch of other stuff besides football going 32 00:01:28,840 --> 00:01:31,960 Speaker 2: on here as well, between interviews and media and everything else. 33 00:01:32,440 --> 00:01:36,000 Speaker 2: But they're all eager to learn and take everything in. 34 00:01:36,080 --> 00:01:37,480 Speaker 2: I mean, we're throwing a lot at him right now. 35 00:01:37,480 --> 00:01:40,120 Speaker 2: I thought today they came out and they executed a 36 00:01:40,160 --> 00:01:42,640 Speaker 2: little bit better than I probably even expected. Right So 37 00:01:42,840 --> 00:01:44,680 Speaker 2: they know, like we talked about it early in the week, 38 00:01:45,040 --> 00:01:47,320 Speaker 2: it's a week long job interview for them, So trying 39 00:01:47,319 --> 00:01:49,680 Speaker 2: to take that professional approach, be a pro and everything 40 00:01:49,720 --> 00:01:51,639 Speaker 2: we do, and up to this point they have been. 41 00:01:51,680 --> 00:01:53,920 Speaker 1: What are some of the things being in meetings with 42 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:56,840 Speaker 1: these guys that you can learn about them then even 43 00:01:56,880 --> 00:01:58,800 Speaker 1: from watching tape or even in the one on one 44 00:01:58,840 --> 00:02:01,120 Speaker 1: interviews that you do with the common that you can't learn, 45 00:02:01,160 --> 00:02:03,320 Speaker 1: but you can learn coaching them in a situation like this. 46 00:02:03,560 --> 00:02:05,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think just our ability to be able to 47 00:02:05,360 --> 00:02:08,720 Speaker 2: ask them questions as we're installing and going through things 48 00:02:08,760 --> 00:02:10,839 Speaker 2: and letting them ask questions. I think that's a big 49 00:02:10,880 --> 00:02:13,480 Speaker 2: part of it too, Just are they good questions and 50 00:02:13,520 --> 00:02:15,520 Speaker 2: there's no such thing as a dumb question. But at 51 00:02:15,520 --> 00:02:19,119 Speaker 2: the same time, are they asking those extra level questions 52 00:02:19,960 --> 00:02:23,200 Speaker 2: just to get a baseline of their football IQ how 53 00:02:23,240 --> 00:02:26,040 Speaker 2: fast things are moving? Obviously being able to install it, 54 00:02:26,360 --> 00:02:29,320 Speaker 2: minimal walk through time, minimal jog through time, and then 55 00:02:29,320 --> 00:02:30,919 Speaker 2: being able to come out here and execute. I mean 56 00:02:31,160 --> 00:02:34,919 Speaker 2: that's telling too. So I thought they've handled it really well. 57 00:02:34,960 --> 00:02:37,320 Speaker 2: They've been engaged. There's been some early mornings, there've been 58 00:02:37,320 --> 00:02:39,720 Speaker 2: some late nights meeting with them, and they're soaking it 59 00:02:39,760 --> 00:02:41,320 Speaker 2: all in right now, and they've done really good job 60 00:02:41,320 --> 00:02:41,560 Speaker 2: with it. 61 00:02:41,600 --> 00:02:43,040 Speaker 1: And would have been some of the challenges for you 62 00:02:43,120 --> 00:02:45,280 Speaker 1: trying to teach these young guys in such a truncate 63 00:02:45,320 --> 00:02:48,040 Speaker 1: amount of time that's maybe help you learn and grow 64 00:02:48,080 --> 00:02:49,000 Speaker 1: as a coach. Yeah. 65 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:51,280 Speaker 2: I think the one thing that they do a good 66 00:02:51,360 --> 00:02:53,519 Speaker 2: job of here is they have rules in place where 67 00:02:53,520 --> 00:02:55,840 Speaker 2: it can't be too crazy in terms of install right. 68 00:02:55,919 --> 00:02:59,960 Speaker 2: So I mean we're running base coverages for the most part. 69 00:03:00,200 --> 00:03:02,800 Speaker 2: Always a lot of these guys played a lot of 70 00:03:02,840 --> 00:03:06,360 Speaker 2: this stuff to some degree. It's it's always terminology, right, 71 00:03:06,480 --> 00:03:09,000 Speaker 2: being able to correlate terminology from what they know to 72 00:03:09,560 --> 00:03:13,160 Speaker 2: how we call things. I think just making sure as 73 00:03:13,200 --> 00:03:15,600 Speaker 2: a coaching staff we cross our t's and dot our 74 00:03:15,639 --> 00:03:18,480 Speaker 2: eyes and and go through the details and the things 75 00:03:18,480 --> 00:03:20,360 Speaker 2: they're going to see. I think that the schemes are 76 00:03:20,360 --> 00:03:23,200 Speaker 2: a little bit different offensively. I think that's an adjustment 77 00:03:23,240 --> 00:03:25,280 Speaker 2: for them. So just being able to understand what they're 78 00:03:25,320 --> 00:03:28,480 Speaker 2: going to see, the formations that we're seeing emotions. Obviously 79 00:03:28,480 --> 00:03:31,280 Speaker 2: we're not motioning here, but the post that movement it's 80 00:03:31,320 --> 00:03:33,520 Speaker 2: been good. And again they're they're learning as we go. 81 00:03:33,600 --> 00:03:35,680 Speaker 2: I expect tomorrow to be better. I expect the day 82 00:03:35,720 --> 00:03:37,400 Speaker 2: after to be a little bit better, and hopefully next 83 00:03:37,400 --> 00:03:39,880 Speaker 2: Thursday we're cooking with gas a little bit. 84 00:03:40,040 --> 00:03:41,760 Speaker 1: I assure you you're locked in on the defense, but 85 00:03:41,840 --> 00:03:44,440 Speaker 1: hasn't been fun getting a little bit of a toe 86 00:03:44,440 --> 00:03:46,440 Speaker 1: in the water doing some offense stuff this week too. 87 00:03:46,480 --> 00:03:48,560 Speaker 2: It has I've actually been sitting more in on those 88 00:03:48,600 --> 00:03:51,560 Speaker 2: meetings than the defensive side, and again just trying to 89 00:03:51,560 --> 00:03:53,560 Speaker 2: grow as a coach myself here that side of the ball. 90 00:03:53,560 --> 00:03:56,760 Speaker 2: How they're teaching fundamentals and how they're teaching to win 91 00:03:56,840 --> 00:03:59,040 Speaker 2: one on one blocks, no differently than how we do 92 00:03:59,400 --> 00:04:02,760 Speaker 2: on defense. And obviously the scheme stuff, seeing how they 93 00:04:02,800 --> 00:04:06,040 Speaker 2: id stuff, cadence, all that stuff. I mean, it's invaluable 94 00:04:06,080 --> 00:04:11,280 Speaker 2: knowledge in me learning, hearing the details of it all right, 95 00:04:11,400 --> 00:04:14,320 Speaker 2: a little bit more in depth, especially this week with 96 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:15,840 Speaker 2: these young guys. 97 00:04:16,480 --> 00:04:17,840 Speaker 3: So it's been fun. It was fun. 98 00:04:18,240 --> 00:04:19,640 Speaker 1: How was it like having Eggs as you a little 99 00:04:19,720 --> 00:04:21,120 Speaker 1: number two here coaching the defense for you. 100 00:04:21,240 --> 00:04:21,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, he's doing great. 101 00:04:21,920 --> 00:04:22,840 Speaker 3: He's doing a really good job. 102 00:04:22,920 --> 00:04:25,400 Speaker 2: I think he's detailed all the stuff that I've seen 103 00:04:25,440 --> 00:04:29,000 Speaker 2: in our time together in New York, detailed on these guys. Again, 104 00:04:29,040 --> 00:04:30,479 Speaker 2: I told him, as long as we got Levin out there, 105 00:04:30,520 --> 00:04:32,160 Speaker 2: we'll figure the rest out. So let's make sure we're 106 00:04:32,160 --> 00:04:34,600 Speaker 2: on top of that. So he's been doing a really 107 00:04:34,640 --> 00:04:35,160 Speaker 2: good job with it. 108 00:04:35,200 --> 00:04:36,840 Speaker 1: Doug Shane good stuff man, good luck the rest week. 109 00:04:36,880 --> 00:04:38,200 Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you for Jame bo when Hey, coach 110 00:04:38,200 --> 00:04:40,440 Speaker 1: of the West Team, Giants defensivequinator. Thanks for being with us, everybody. 111 00:04:40,440 --> 00:04:41,159 Speaker 1: We'll see you next time. 112 00:04:41,200 --> 00:04:41,480 Speaker 3: All right. 113 00:04:41,480 --> 00:04:44,159 Speaker 1: We're joined by Giants offensive line coach here at the 114 00:04:44,200 --> 00:04:46,360 Speaker 1: senior both for the American team. James Farenci is their 115 00:04:46,400 --> 00:04:48,800 Speaker 1: assistant offensive line coach. James, how was this week gone 116 00:04:48,800 --> 00:04:50,680 Speaker 1: for you? Being the headman in the old line, Rod, 117 00:04:50,960 --> 00:04:52,640 Speaker 1: It's been a lot of fun. You know, had a 118 00:04:52,680 --> 00:04:54,560 Speaker 1: lot of good training with Carmen. He's got me ready. 119 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:56,760 Speaker 1: He's been really helpful coming down here. And then on 120 00:04:56,800 --> 00:04:58,360 Speaker 1: top of it, this group's been a lot of fun 121 00:04:58,360 --> 00:05:01,280 Speaker 1: to work with. So it's been good combination. It's just 122 00:05:01,279 --> 00:05:03,479 Speaker 1: been a blast. Now, you're a former player, so you 123 00:05:03,600 --> 00:05:05,760 Speaker 1: understand what these guys are going through right now. How 124 00:05:05,800 --> 00:05:07,880 Speaker 1: have you been able to kind of relate to everything 125 00:05:07,920 --> 00:05:10,560 Speaker 1: that they're experiencing and try to help them through that process. 126 00:05:10,720 --> 00:05:12,760 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a really stressful time for these guys. I 127 00:05:12,760 --> 00:05:14,400 Speaker 4: feel like they come out here and they feel like 128 00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:16,320 Speaker 4: they got everything to prove on one rep, and it's 129 00:05:16,360 --> 00:05:18,080 Speaker 4: just been easier for me to connect with them and 130 00:05:18,120 --> 00:05:20,120 Speaker 4: remind them It's about your body of work, right. 131 00:05:20,160 --> 00:05:22,320 Speaker 1: Can you show the improvement from day one to day two? 132 00:05:22,640 --> 00:05:24,640 Speaker 4: Can you sustain it to day three and then carry 133 00:05:24,640 --> 00:05:26,080 Speaker 4: it all the way to the game four or to 134 00:05:26,120 --> 00:05:28,680 Speaker 4: the game. So I think from that part I maybe 135 00:05:28,720 --> 00:05:31,000 Speaker 4: have a little bit of a unique perspective. But there's 136 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:32,800 Speaker 4: a lot of former players, a lot of really good 137 00:05:32,800 --> 00:05:35,120 Speaker 4: coaches around your you know, relaying the same message. 138 00:05:35,240 --> 00:05:37,960 Speaker 1: Yeah. I enjoyed watching you during one on ones, James, 139 00:05:37,960 --> 00:05:41,200 Speaker 1: and really after every rep you're going up to your guys, 140 00:05:41,240 --> 00:05:43,359 Speaker 1: no matter when loss or whatever, coaching up on some 141 00:05:43,480 --> 00:05:46,240 Speaker 1: type of technique. It seems like something you really enjoy 142 00:05:46,360 --> 00:05:48,440 Speaker 1: making sure these guys are doing the right thing with 143 00:05:48,480 --> 00:05:50,200 Speaker 1: their feet in their hands on every single rep. 144 00:05:50,360 --> 00:05:52,080 Speaker 4: Yeah, And that's what we talked about in the meetings, 145 00:05:52,160 --> 00:05:54,400 Speaker 4: is like, look, even though you win, you can always improve. 146 00:05:54,600 --> 00:05:57,080 Speaker 4: That's something we pride ourselves on into the O line 147 00:05:57,160 --> 00:05:59,560 Speaker 4: room back in New York. We're just about daily improvement. 148 00:05:59,600 --> 00:06:01,320 Speaker 4: It's never enough just to win. We want to be 149 00:06:01,360 --> 00:06:03,440 Speaker 4: better the next day in the next rep. So, and 150 00:06:03,520 --> 00:06:05,240 Speaker 4: like I said, these guys have been really receptive to 151 00:06:05,279 --> 00:06:07,640 Speaker 4: the coaching, which makes it really easy and really enjoyable. 152 00:06:07,680 --> 00:06:10,240 Speaker 1: How much prep did you do kind of understanding these 153 00:06:10,279 --> 00:06:13,240 Speaker 1: players what they are and how they play before you 154 00:06:13,360 --> 00:06:16,040 Speaker 1: got here, so you know how to coach them, you 155 00:06:16,080 --> 00:06:16,599 Speaker 1: know what I mean? 156 00:06:16,839 --> 00:06:18,919 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean you really feel all you got is 157 00:06:18,920 --> 00:06:21,119 Speaker 4: the film, right, So you watch a couple of games 158 00:06:21,120 --> 00:06:22,800 Speaker 4: on each guy, just get a feel for them as 159 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:26,120 Speaker 4: a player, reached out on the phone, just introducing yourself, 160 00:06:26,120 --> 00:06:28,599 Speaker 4: but you really don't get to know them personally until 161 00:06:28,600 --> 00:06:29,960 Speaker 4: you're in the mean room with them, which. 162 00:06:29,760 --> 00:06:31,920 Speaker 1: Has just been valuable in the scouting process. 163 00:06:32,279 --> 00:06:34,240 Speaker 4: You know, it gives us an advantage of just understanding 164 00:06:34,320 --> 00:06:35,480 Speaker 4: how they interact in meetings. 165 00:06:35,480 --> 00:06:38,560 Speaker 1: Okay, is this guy paying attention? Is he asking good questions? 166 00:06:38,760 --> 00:06:38,919 Speaker 3: You know? 167 00:06:38,960 --> 00:06:39,920 Speaker 1: Am I explaining it wrong? 168 00:06:39,960 --> 00:06:41,600 Speaker 4: But I need to change the way I explained something 169 00:06:41,640 --> 00:06:41,960 Speaker 4: to him. 170 00:06:41,960 --> 00:06:45,760 Speaker 1: So it's been awesome. Some guys here are playing different positions, right. 171 00:06:45,839 --> 00:06:47,680 Speaker 1: They might be a tackle in college, but the scuy's 172 00:06:47,680 --> 00:06:50,080 Speaker 1: want to see in the guard center. So you're trying 173 00:06:50,080 --> 00:06:53,000 Speaker 1: to teach them a new position, same offensive line. I know, 174 00:06:53,400 --> 00:06:55,120 Speaker 1: what is that challenge trying to get these guys that 175 00:06:55,200 --> 00:06:57,359 Speaker 1: maybe do something on a big stage like this that 176 00:06:57,400 --> 00:06:59,920 Speaker 1: they just haven't done under the lights before. 177 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:01,960 Speaker 4: Well, all right, so that's our job as a coach 178 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:02,560 Speaker 4: is you want. 179 00:07:02,440 --> 00:07:04,680 Speaker 1: To put these guys in position to succeed. So we 180 00:07:04,760 --> 00:07:05,719 Speaker 1: started the first day. 181 00:07:05,720 --> 00:07:07,440 Speaker 4: Hey, if you are a right side player, I try 182 00:07:07,480 --> 00:07:08,679 Speaker 4: to keep you on the right side. 183 00:07:08,800 --> 00:07:09,560 Speaker 1: Hey if you were a. 184 00:07:09,560 --> 00:07:11,760 Speaker 4: Tackle only in college, Hey, first day, I want you 185 00:07:11,800 --> 00:07:14,120 Speaker 4: only playing tackle. I want you to get comfortable, get 186 00:07:14,160 --> 00:07:16,560 Speaker 4: a little success. And then today we started moving guys 187 00:07:16,600 --> 00:07:19,000 Speaker 4: around playing positions they haven't played. So to me, there's 188 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:21,440 Speaker 4: a process. And again it comes back to coaching. You 189 00:07:21,480 --> 00:07:23,200 Speaker 4: got to serve the players, put them in the best 190 00:07:23,200 --> 00:07:24,640 Speaker 4: positions you can to succeed. 191 00:07:25,200 --> 00:07:27,320 Speaker 1: And that's the one on one stuff. But obviously the coaches, 192 00:07:27,360 --> 00:07:28,760 Speaker 1: they care about what these guys are doing in the 193 00:07:28,760 --> 00:07:30,880 Speaker 1: eleven on eleven and the team is that's how you 194 00:07:30,880 --> 00:07:32,800 Speaker 1: stop the run, and that's how again on the field, right, 195 00:07:32,800 --> 00:07:34,880 Speaker 1: and that's how you block in the run game. So 196 00:07:34,960 --> 00:07:37,080 Speaker 1: what if you see from these guys trying to learn 197 00:07:37,120 --> 00:07:38,800 Speaker 1: each other. But obviously it's not a one on one 198 00:07:38,800 --> 00:07:39,720 Speaker 1: situation of the run game. 199 00:07:39,720 --> 00:07:41,760 Speaker 4: You got a block is a unit, right, Yeah, that's 200 00:07:41,760 --> 00:07:43,520 Speaker 4: where it gets a little tricky. In these All star games. 201 00:07:43,600 --> 00:07:45,680 Speaker 4: You have linemen who have never played next to each other. 202 00:07:46,520 --> 00:07:49,320 Speaker 4: You know, they're they're learning each other, their their nuances. 203 00:07:49,720 --> 00:07:52,600 Speaker 4: So that's where it's invaluable. From day one to day two, 204 00:07:52,680 --> 00:07:54,400 Speaker 4: you go into the film room, Okay, hey, I saw 205 00:07:54,440 --> 00:07:54,800 Speaker 4: it like this. 206 00:07:54,840 --> 00:07:56,040 Speaker 1: How would you see it having. 207 00:07:55,840 --> 00:07:58,680 Speaker 4: That open line of communication such an abbreviate amount of time. 208 00:07:58,760 --> 00:08:01,080 Speaker 1: So that part's been the But again. 209 00:08:01,040 --> 00:08:02,600 Speaker 4: This group's been a lot of fun that are really 210 00:08:02,640 --> 00:08:04,960 Speaker 4: doing a good job of taking it seriously and trying 211 00:08:04,960 --> 00:08:05,440 Speaker 4: to get better. 212 00:08:05,640 --> 00:08:07,520 Speaker 1: And in your group specifically, I'm not gonna ask about 213 00:08:07,520 --> 00:08:09,720 Speaker 1: specific guys, but you have so many smaller school guys 214 00:08:09,720 --> 00:08:11,800 Speaker 1: in your group, which I love you Alabama. I think 215 00:08:11,880 --> 00:08:14,680 Speaker 1: Jacksonville State, right, Sacramento State. I think, what has it 216 00:08:14,720 --> 00:08:16,600 Speaker 1: been like trying to get these small guys up, these 217 00:08:16,600 --> 00:08:18,960 Speaker 1: small school guys up to speed, and you know this 218 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:20,440 Speaker 1: is a big station of them going up in some 219 00:08:20,480 --> 00:08:23,040 Speaker 1: of these top five edge rushers and defensive tackles. 220 00:08:23,440 --> 00:08:25,440 Speaker 4: Like I told these guys, like I said, you're here 221 00:08:25,480 --> 00:08:27,560 Speaker 4: for a reason, because you belong. They should have the 222 00:08:27,600 --> 00:08:30,440 Speaker 4: confidence they've earned the right to be here, small school 223 00:08:30,520 --> 00:08:32,320 Speaker 4: or not, these guys have done a great job of. 224 00:08:32,240 --> 00:08:35,600 Speaker 1: Just continuing to play and compete. They should be really proud. 225 00:08:35,640 --> 00:08:37,920 Speaker 1: Their school should be proud. But you know, the process 226 00:08:37,960 --> 00:08:39,719 Speaker 1: isn't over. This is just a small step. 227 00:08:39,440 --> 00:08:40,200 Speaker 4: In their journey. 228 00:08:41,080 --> 00:08:42,000 Speaker 3: They should be really proud. 229 00:08:42,080 --> 00:08:43,960 Speaker 1: All right now, you personally, what has this been like 230 00:08:44,280 --> 00:08:46,640 Speaker 1: in terms of a situation where you can grow as 231 00:08:46,640 --> 00:08:49,120 Speaker 1: a coach and learn to do more than you were 232 00:08:49,160 --> 00:08:51,800 Speaker 1: doing before as an assistant offensive line coach? How have 233 00:08:51,880 --> 00:08:54,760 Speaker 1: you improved yourself and really learned about yourself as a 234 00:08:54,800 --> 00:08:55,400 Speaker 1: coach this week? 235 00:08:55,720 --> 00:08:57,840 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it's just an appreciation for a lot 236 00:08:57,880 --> 00:08:59,120 Speaker 4: of the you know, the film you got to have 237 00:08:59,160 --> 00:09:00,920 Speaker 4: prepared for a meeting. Okay, you can't just go in 238 00:09:00,920 --> 00:09:03,679 Speaker 4: there without having you know, something ready to go, so 239 00:09:03,880 --> 00:09:06,840 Speaker 4: that whether that's cut ups installs, you know, that's been 240 00:09:06,880 --> 00:09:08,520 Speaker 4: invaluable for me to really get a chance to get 241 00:09:08,559 --> 00:09:09,240 Speaker 4: in front of a group and. 242 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:11,800 Speaker 1: Try and explain things. You know, hey, when am I explaining? 243 00:09:11,840 --> 00:09:12,120 Speaker 5: Well? 244 00:09:12,440 --> 00:09:13,600 Speaker 1: What am I chripping up on? 245 00:09:13,679 --> 00:09:13,760 Speaker 3: Like? 246 00:09:13,800 --> 00:09:15,960 Speaker 4: You know, because as coach you gotta be honest? Could 247 00:09:15,960 --> 00:09:17,520 Speaker 4: the player screw it up? Or did I just give 248 00:09:17,600 --> 00:09:19,280 Speaker 4: him bad information? So there's been a lot of that 249 00:09:19,280 --> 00:09:20,319 Speaker 4: that I have been going through as well. 250 00:09:20,360 --> 00:09:21,040 Speaker 3: So that's been great. 251 00:09:21,200 --> 00:09:23,320 Speaker 1: Final question, what can you learn about these guys that 252 00:09:23,400 --> 00:09:26,480 Speaker 1: you can't learn about at the combine? And interviews and 253 00:09:26,480 --> 00:09:29,000 Speaker 1: stuff like that, but you can learn coaching them here 254 00:09:29,040 --> 00:09:29,760 Speaker 1: in meeting rooms. 255 00:09:29,800 --> 00:09:32,880 Speaker 4: On the field, it's the meeting room is again watching 256 00:09:32,920 --> 00:09:33,360 Speaker 4: these guys. 257 00:09:33,360 --> 00:09:34,840 Speaker 1: How are they processing information? 258 00:09:34,960 --> 00:09:37,960 Speaker 4: Okay, it's football coming to them naturally, okay, or do 259 00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:39,840 Speaker 4: we got to change the way we're wording things? 260 00:09:40,040 --> 00:09:41,280 Speaker 1: So to me, it's the meeting time. 261 00:09:41,320 --> 00:09:42,920 Speaker 4: How are they interacting in the meetings? 262 00:09:43,080 --> 00:09:44,520 Speaker 3: Are they engaged with their questions? 263 00:09:44,559 --> 00:09:46,640 Speaker 4: Okay? This guy might look like he's not paying attention, 264 00:09:46,679 --> 00:09:49,440 Speaker 4: but his note taking is diligent. You learn things like 265 00:09:49,440 --> 00:09:51,600 Speaker 4: that where you'll never learn in any sort of interview 266 00:09:51,760 --> 00:09:54,240 Speaker 4: where they're kind of maybe prepared for questions. And then 267 00:09:54,280 --> 00:09:55,720 Speaker 4: as we get into more meetings, now I have a 268 00:09:55,800 --> 00:09:57,640 Speaker 4: chance to really kind of throw some curveballs at them 269 00:09:57,640 --> 00:09:59,960 Speaker 4: and get them more comfortable and relax. It's been really 270 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:01,080 Speaker 4: and valuable and it's been. 271 00:10:00,960 --> 00:10:03,079 Speaker 1: Fun watching a coach. James, good luck this week and 272 00:10:03,120 --> 00:10:03,719 Speaker 1: go look in the game. 273 00:10:03,800 --> 00:10:04,319 Speaker 3: I appreciate it. 274 00:10:04,320 --> 00:10:05,120 Speaker 4: Hopefully we get a win. 275 00:10:05,280 --> 00:10:05,600 Speaker 3: All right. 276 00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:07,599 Speaker 1: Now we're joined by the tight ends coach for the 277 00:10:07,640 --> 00:10:10,480 Speaker 1: American team, Angela Baker Bake. What's going on? Not much? 278 00:10:10,480 --> 00:10:10,920 Speaker 6: How are you? 279 00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:11,080 Speaker 7: So? 280 00:10:11,080 --> 00:10:12,000 Speaker 1: How's this week gone for you? 281 00:10:12,200 --> 00:10:13,600 Speaker 6: It's been amazing. I mean, it's awesome. 282 00:10:13,640 --> 00:10:15,319 Speaker 5: The group of guys that I have tight ends are always, 283 00:10:15,600 --> 00:10:18,000 Speaker 5: you know, their own kind of breed. They're always hard workers. 284 00:10:18,080 --> 00:10:19,760 Speaker 5: So it's been a really great group and and I 285 00:10:19,800 --> 00:10:21,160 Speaker 5: love being here. It's also nice to be able to 286 00:10:21,160 --> 00:10:22,439 Speaker 5: work with some fellow Giants coaches. 287 00:10:22,480 --> 00:10:24,760 Speaker 1: So I was gonna ask you, how is Joel Thomas 288 00:10:24,760 --> 00:10:25,280 Speaker 1: as a boss? 289 00:10:25,520 --> 00:10:26,440 Speaker 6: Yeah, No, he's great. 290 00:10:26,480 --> 00:10:28,760 Speaker 5: You know, we already have a good relationship with everything 291 00:10:28,880 --> 00:10:31,840 Speaker 5: back home, so just carrying that into here and seeing 292 00:10:31,920 --> 00:10:34,040 Speaker 5: him take on that leadership role too, it's been awesome. 293 00:10:34,040 --> 00:10:35,520 Speaker 5: I'm happy to help in any way that I can, 294 00:10:35,559 --> 00:10:37,160 Speaker 5: but he hasn't really needed much of it. He's he's 295 00:10:37,200 --> 00:10:38,240 Speaker 5: ready to roll, he's locked in. 296 00:10:38,760 --> 00:10:40,840 Speaker 1: What has it been like trying to teach these guys 297 00:10:40,840 --> 00:10:42,840 Speaker 1: an NFL playbook? It's such a short period of time. 298 00:10:43,160 --> 00:10:46,040 Speaker 5: It's always got a challenge, right, But I think working 299 00:10:46,040 --> 00:10:47,599 Speaker 5: the Shrine Bowl last year and then being able to 300 00:10:47,600 --> 00:10:49,040 Speaker 5: come here, I kind of already had a feel for 301 00:10:49,080 --> 00:10:51,280 Speaker 5: it and just understanding like, Okay, this is what we 302 00:10:51,320 --> 00:10:52,920 Speaker 5: call it, but what do you guys translate this to 303 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:54,600 Speaker 5: in your offense? So being able to get with all 304 00:10:54,640 --> 00:10:56,360 Speaker 5: them and have those conversations in the room. I think 305 00:10:56,360 --> 00:10:58,720 Speaker 5: it's really allowed them to understand, Okay, this is all 306 00:10:58,720 --> 00:11:01,679 Speaker 5: we're teaching. We call it something different, but football is football, right, 307 00:11:01,720 --> 00:11:02,120 Speaker 5: It's just. 308 00:11:02,120 --> 00:11:04,280 Speaker 6: A slight deviations. I like to say it's the same language. 309 00:11:04,320 --> 00:11:05,640 Speaker 6: Just everybody has a different dialect. 310 00:11:06,280 --> 00:11:08,560 Speaker 1: What do you do if different guys translated different ways 311 00:11:08,600 --> 00:11:09,000 Speaker 1: in the room? 312 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:11,840 Speaker 6: It gets a little difficult, but you know, we just 313 00:11:11,840 --> 00:11:12,800 Speaker 6: go ahead and talk through it. 314 00:11:12,840 --> 00:11:14,160 Speaker 5: It's at the end of the day, like a picture's 315 00:11:14,160 --> 00:11:15,880 Speaker 5: worth a thousand words too, right, So you can watch 316 00:11:15,920 --> 00:11:17,120 Speaker 5: the tape or you can go ahead and look at 317 00:11:17,120 --> 00:11:19,560 Speaker 5: the pictures. Like you know, you might call something an 318 00:11:19,640 --> 00:11:22,319 Speaker 5: arrow route, a a diagonal, a shoot, it's the same thing. 319 00:11:22,400 --> 00:11:23,880 Speaker 5: You all know that you're trying, where you're trying to 320 00:11:23,880 --> 00:11:25,880 Speaker 5: get to and what the route intension is. So as 321 00:11:25,880 --> 00:11:27,040 Speaker 5: long as you know that, I think that it makes 322 00:11:27,000 --> 00:11:27,640 Speaker 5: it a lot easier. 323 00:11:27,760 --> 00:11:29,360 Speaker 1: You led me to my next question is I asked 324 00:11:29,400 --> 00:11:30,640 Speaker 1: Mike this question, so I'm going to ask you the 325 00:11:30,679 --> 00:11:33,440 Speaker 1: same question. What lessons did you learn from doing this 326 00:11:33,480 --> 00:11:35,400 Speaker 1: at trying? And we talked to your tryin last year 327 00:11:35,520 --> 00:11:37,760 Speaker 1: that you brought into this year that maybe you've made 328 00:11:37,840 --> 00:11:39,440 Speaker 1: some adjustments that you know, all right, this is how 329 00:11:39,520 --> 00:11:41,320 Speaker 1: I can do this better by second goal around. 330 00:11:41,520 --> 00:11:43,160 Speaker 5: Yeah, I think one of the biggest things we, like 331 00:11:43,160 --> 00:11:45,120 Speaker 5: you already talked about was making sure that I'm speaking 332 00:11:45,120 --> 00:11:46,680 Speaker 5: in a way that they're going to understand, right, Like 333 00:11:46,760 --> 00:11:48,280 Speaker 5: it was the first time that I was coaching around 334 00:11:48,320 --> 00:11:50,320 Speaker 5: these college kids. Like even when I coach in college, 335 00:11:50,360 --> 00:11:52,520 Speaker 5: I was on the defensive side. So being able to 336 00:11:52,520 --> 00:11:54,560 Speaker 5: actually understand like, Okay, this is kind of what is 337 00:11:54,600 --> 00:11:57,720 Speaker 5: familiar for their language, and already having that going into it, 338 00:11:57,760 --> 00:12:00,240 Speaker 5: so I knew instead of just going over their head 339 00:12:00,240 --> 00:12:02,120 Speaker 5: and having them have to say, hey, coach, can you wait, 340 00:12:02,160 --> 00:12:03,880 Speaker 5: can you go back? Can you talk about this? I 341 00:12:03,920 --> 00:12:05,040 Speaker 5: was able to kind of get in front of some 342 00:12:05,040 --> 00:12:06,520 Speaker 5: of those things. So I think that that was one 343 00:12:06,520 --> 00:12:09,120 Speaker 5: of the biggest takeaways for me and and drill wise too, 344 00:12:09,160 --> 00:12:11,559 Speaker 5: like I understand what people want to see, Like it's 345 00:12:11,600 --> 00:12:15,199 Speaker 5: not necessarily the same as we do at our practices, right, 346 00:12:15,240 --> 00:12:17,680 Speaker 5: It's what can I do to show exactly what these 347 00:12:17,760 --> 00:12:19,360 Speaker 5: kids are made of so that they can hopefully raise 348 00:12:19,400 --> 00:12:20,000 Speaker 5: their draft stock. 349 00:12:20,040 --> 00:12:21,160 Speaker 6: That's my hope point here. 350 00:12:21,440 --> 00:12:22,880 Speaker 1: Now. The fun thing about tight end is that you 351 00:12:22,920 --> 00:12:24,920 Speaker 1: guys have different shapes and size is different strengths. Some 352 00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:27,400 Speaker 1: guys like you have haws, right, Like, he was a blocker, 353 00:12:27,960 --> 00:12:29,560 Speaker 1: he didn't do much of were catching. Other guys are 354 00:12:29,559 --> 00:12:31,520 Speaker 1: more receivers, they do a lot of blocking. So is 355 00:12:31,559 --> 00:12:33,360 Speaker 1: it fun for you to get guys of so many 356 00:12:33,440 --> 00:12:35,959 Speaker 1: different skill sets and trying to teach them to improve 357 00:12:35,960 --> 00:12:37,280 Speaker 1: maybe the stuff that they didn't a whole lot of. 358 00:12:37,480 --> 00:12:40,160 Speaker 5: Absolutely, And you know from Clemson we got Jake Brendan 359 00:12:40,240 --> 00:12:42,480 Speaker 5: Soul and everybody talks about him just being a pass 360 00:12:42,520 --> 00:12:44,600 Speaker 5: catching tight end. He was so excited to be able 361 00:12:44,600 --> 00:12:47,040 Speaker 5: to go in and work the run game and put 362 00:12:47,080 --> 00:12:48,439 Speaker 5: a point of emphasis on that, and that's going to 363 00:12:48,480 --> 00:12:50,160 Speaker 5: help his draft stock, right, Like, that's going to help 364 00:12:50,200 --> 00:12:52,480 Speaker 5: with these players in a good position. So they all 365 00:12:52,559 --> 00:12:54,920 Speaker 5: know what the role of a tight end is and 366 00:12:54,960 --> 00:12:56,800 Speaker 5: as long as they can embrace that, I'm more than 367 00:12:56,840 --> 00:12:58,400 Speaker 5: happy to find what works best for them. 368 00:12:58,400 --> 00:12:59,200 Speaker 6: But yeah, it's great. 369 00:12:59,240 --> 00:13:00,920 Speaker 5: You know, I got some guy who can, you know, 370 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:03,000 Speaker 5: run and streak down the field a lot faster than others, 371 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:04,760 Speaker 5: and some guys who can bury some people. But you 372 00:13:04,760 --> 00:13:06,400 Speaker 5: know what, the my favorite thing about tight ends is 373 00:13:06,400 --> 00:13:08,160 Speaker 5: they don't care what the role in the responsibility is. 374 00:13:08,200 --> 00:13:09,640 Speaker 6: They understand that it's part of it. 375 00:13:09,840 --> 00:13:11,200 Speaker 5: If you were just a pass catcher, you were going 376 00:13:11,240 --> 00:13:12,920 Speaker 5: to be a receiver, and if you really were just 377 00:13:12,960 --> 00:13:14,600 Speaker 5: going to be a run blocker, you could have been 378 00:13:14,600 --> 00:13:16,200 Speaker 5: an old lineman. But they understand that they had that 379 00:13:16,240 --> 00:13:18,040 Speaker 5: little bit of flex at both. So it's awesome. 380 00:13:18,120 --> 00:13:19,480 Speaker 1: I want to ask you about one guy that did 381 00:13:19,520 --> 00:13:22,360 Speaker 1: both at LSU, Mason Taylor. He caught any block. He's 382 00:13:22,360 --> 00:13:25,240 Speaker 1: over two fifty. He kind of meets every criter or 383 00:13:25,240 --> 00:13:26,559 Speaker 1: you would one for a guy that can be a 384 00:13:26,559 --> 00:13:28,319 Speaker 1: two way tight end, right right, Yeah. 385 00:13:28,200 --> 00:13:29,800 Speaker 5: No, absolutely, and he knows some of the things that 386 00:13:29,840 --> 00:13:31,680 Speaker 5: he's still got to work on, which is great, and 387 00:13:31,720 --> 00:13:33,040 Speaker 5: we were able to kind of focus on that the 388 00:13:33,120 --> 00:13:35,559 Speaker 5: last few days here, put him in positions at practice. 389 00:13:35,600 --> 00:13:37,440 Speaker 6: He talks through it like he's extremely smart. 390 00:13:37,480 --> 00:13:38,880 Speaker 5: He knows some of those things that he's got to 391 00:13:38,880 --> 00:13:40,600 Speaker 5: continue to work on before getting into the league. 392 00:13:40,640 --> 00:13:42,760 Speaker 6: Hopefully, so as long as he's aware and. 393 00:13:42,760 --> 00:13:44,959 Speaker 5: He wants the extra effort, the extra teaching, the extra 394 00:13:45,240 --> 00:13:47,320 Speaker 5: tape time with him, you know, as long as you 395 00:13:47,400 --> 00:13:49,000 Speaker 5: know that, then he's going to continue to flourish. 396 00:13:49,040 --> 00:13:50,040 Speaker 6: I have no doubt that he's going to be a 397 00:13:50,080 --> 00:13:50,600 Speaker 6: good tight end. 398 00:13:50,720 --> 00:13:52,520 Speaker 1: Do you get the sense talking to him that, all right, 399 00:13:52,720 --> 00:13:54,800 Speaker 1: I get his dad was in the NFL, his uncle 400 00:13:54,840 --> 00:13:57,520 Speaker 1: was in the NFL, and like he has not that 401 00:13:57,559 --> 00:14:00,200 Speaker 1: he's cocky, but that he has an understanding of like 402 00:14:00,520 --> 00:14:03,000 Speaker 1: how a lot of this stuff works because of the background, 403 00:14:03,040 --> 00:14:04,880 Speaker 1: his pedigree and maybe what his uncle does that have 404 00:14:04,880 --> 00:14:05,679 Speaker 1: taught him along the way. 405 00:14:05,760 --> 00:14:07,480 Speaker 6: Yeah, I had somebody else actually ask me that. 406 00:14:07,720 --> 00:14:12,360 Speaker 5: Uh No, Like he's a very even keeled, quiet you know, 407 00:14:12,440 --> 00:14:14,160 Speaker 5: if you ask him a question directly, like he'll talk 408 00:14:14,160 --> 00:14:15,680 Speaker 5: about it. But at no point if I felt like 409 00:14:15,720 --> 00:14:17,000 Speaker 5: he was kind of like, oh, yeah, you know, I'm 410 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:19,920 Speaker 5: already familiar. Yeah, he's taken in all the coaching and 411 00:14:19,960 --> 00:14:22,080 Speaker 5: everything that I've said, everything the coach at has said, 412 00:14:23,160 --> 00:14:24,520 Speaker 5: And I think that right now he's just trying to 413 00:14:24,560 --> 00:14:26,480 Speaker 5: be a sponge for everything that this experience is and 414 00:14:26,480 --> 00:14:28,800 Speaker 5: not using any of his knowledge previously to it. So 415 00:14:29,520 --> 00:14:31,640 Speaker 5: I didn't even really know the backstory of his family 416 00:14:31,720 --> 00:14:33,560 Speaker 5: until I was here. So I think that that was 417 00:14:33,560 --> 00:14:35,000 Speaker 5: a good thing for me because I didn't expect a 418 00:14:35,080 --> 00:14:37,360 Speaker 5: certain type of knowledge from him. And he's been great. 419 00:14:37,400 --> 00:14:38,840 Speaker 5: He's been great in the room. He's a great leader 420 00:14:38,880 --> 00:14:40,880 Speaker 5: on our squad too. So I'm happy to have him. 421 00:14:40,960 --> 00:14:42,480 Speaker 1: It's funny I talked him a couple of days ago 422 00:14:42,480 --> 00:14:43,880 Speaker 1: when I got the same sense like he was almost 423 00:14:43,880 --> 00:14:46,800 Speaker 1: a little shy, like he wasn't like the you know, 424 00:14:46,840 --> 00:14:48,840 Speaker 1: it's not like, you know, son of a star like 425 00:14:48,920 --> 00:14:50,960 Speaker 1: around stars like he seemed like. And he's only twenty 426 00:14:51,040 --> 00:14:53,440 Speaker 1: years old. He's young too, and it's got to be 427 00:14:53,440 --> 00:14:54,800 Speaker 1: great to have a kid like that that is still 428 00:14:54,840 --> 00:14:57,200 Speaker 1: so anxious and willing to learn and had that that attitude. 429 00:14:57,280 --> 00:14:58,160 Speaker 6: Yeah, no doubt about it. 430 00:14:58,200 --> 00:15:00,240 Speaker 5: And that's just gonna mean that his his career is 431 00:15:00,680 --> 00:15:01,960 Speaker 5: going to flourish the way that he wants. 432 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:03,360 Speaker 6: You know, he's wired the right way. 433 00:15:03,440 --> 00:15:05,720 Speaker 5: He obviously has that football instinct in and with his family, 434 00:15:05,760 --> 00:15:08,120 Speaker 5: he knows what to expect. But you know, he's still 435 00:15:08,200 --> 00:15:10,520 Speaker 5: so willing to learn and to adapt and to have 436 00:15:10,560 --> 00:15:13,920 Speaker 5: those conversations. So I mean him being that young and 437 00:15:13,960 --> 00:15:15,880 Speaker 5: being that way is even better because you know, you 438 00:15:15,920 --> 00:15:17,360 Speaker 5: usually get that out of some of the more mature 439 00:15:17,360 --> 00:15:18,880 Speaker 5: guys as they've getten out in their years. 440 00:15:18,920 --> 00:15:20,320 Speaker 6: But I mean, for as young as he is, he's 441 00:15:20,560 --> 00:15:22,240 Speaker 6: pretty mature. He's got a great head on his shoulders. 442 00:15:22,240 --> 00:15:23,440 Speaker 6: I think he's going to do really well. 443 00:15:23,600 --> 00:15:25,200 Speaker 1: Is there anything different that you want to get out 444 00:15:25,240 --> 00:15:27,400 Speaker 1: of these players and these practices compared to then you 445 00:15:27,400 --> 00:15:29,440 Speaker 1: get to game day and things are a little bit different. 446 00:15:29,440 --> 00:15:31,640 Speaker 1: What are some maybe the different goals for you not 447 00:15:31,680 --> 00:15:33,480 Speaker 1: just trying to win on Sunday Outsaturday, and you're trying 448 00:15:33,480 --> 00:15:36,200 Speaker 1: to do that, but also improve these kids' draft stocks 449 00:15:36,200 --> 00:15:37,160 Speaker 1: to your point, right. 450 00:15:37,040 --> 00:15:38,520 Speaker 5: And I think that's the biggest thing for me. So 451 00:15:38,560 --> 00:15:40,040 Speaker 5: I know that, you know, when it comes to game 452 00:15:40,120 --> 00:15:41,400 Speaker 5: day on Sunday, I want to put our kids in 453 00:15:41,440 --> 00:15:44,400 Speaker 5: a position to succeed for themselves, right, but also I want. 454 00:15:44,200 --> 00:15:44,800 Speaker 6: To win the game. 455 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:47,160 Speaker 5: Like we're competitive over here, right, and so today, so 456 00:15:47,640 --> 00:15:49,240 Speaker 5: you know, the pads are going to be popping, everybody's 457 00:15:49,240 --> 00:15:50,960 Speaker 5: gonna getting tackled, there's gonna be a lot more stuff 458 00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:53,240 Speaker 5: going on. So I think in practice it's been really nice. So, 459 00:15:53,400 --> 00:15:55,240 Speaker 5: like I said, you know, our kid from Clemson or 460 00:15:55,280 --> 00:15:59,520 Speaker 5: even Thomas Fadoni too from Nebraska, He's not necessarily viewed 461 00:15:59,520 --> 00:16:02,360 Speaker 5: as a big run blocking tight end, but being able 462 00:16:02,440 --> 00:16:04,360 Speaker 5: to you know, put him in positions right here so 463 00:16:04,400 --> 00:16:06,400 Speaker 5: he can get those extra reps and you know, we're 464 00:16:06,480 --> 00:16:08,040 Speaker 5: more full speed, we're a little bit more alive. 465 00:16:08,080 --> 00:16:10,080 Speaker 6: So being able to get those reps. It was really great. 466 00:16:10,120 --> 00:16:12,920 Speaker 5: So that way they know it's time on task. But 467 00:16:12,960 --> 00:16:15,160 Speaker 5: in the game, we'll see how much we're gonna put 468 00:16:15,200 --> 00:16:16,920 Speaker 5: him in that position. You know, if they're comfortable with it, 469 00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:18,680 Speaker 5: or if I feel confident in it right then and there, 470 00:16:18,760 --> 00:16:20,680 Speaker 5: then we're great. But just so that way they can 471 00:16:20,720 --> 00:16:22,560 Speaker 5: even watch the tape, they can get the coaching points 472 00:16:22,640 --> 00:16:24,280 Speaker 5: everything like that. So I think that that's really been 473 00:16:24,280 --> 00:16:25,920 Speaker 5: the biggest thing for the last three days is just 474 00:16:25,920 --> 00:16:29,320 Speaker 5: trying to put them in almost uncomfortable or unfamiliar situations 475 00:16:29,360 --> 00:16:31,440 Speaker 5: to get them to know if you. 476 00:16:31,360 --> 00:16:31,760 Speaker 6: Could take it. 477 00:16:31,760 --> 00:16:33,800 Speaker 5: In this league, you're only gonna have so much control, 478 00:16:33,880 --> 00:16:35,560 Speaker 5: Like there's gonna be a certain expectation that you're gonna 479 00:16:35,560 --> 00:16:36,120 Speaker 5: be able to do this. 480 00:16:36,080 --> 00:16:36,640 Speaker 6: At some level. 481 00:16:36,960 --> 00:16:38,520 Speaker 1: And then finally, I know your concern as the players, 482 00:16:38,520 --> 00:16:39,800 Speaker 1: but I want to ask about you. Where do you 483 00:16:39,800 --> 00:16:42,240 Speaker 1: think you've grown and learned as a coach going through 484 00:16:42,240 --> 00:16:44,360 Speaker 1: the process last year and now again this year. Where 485 00:16:44,360 --> 00:16:47,280 Speaker 1: do you think you've become a better coach? Yeah? 486 00:16:47,280 --> 00:16:48,200 Speaker 6: I think all around. 487 00:16:48,240 --> 00:16:49,640 Speaker 5: But I think one of the biggest things for me 488 00:16:49,720 --> 00:16:52,360 Speaker 5: that I'm appreciative of, you know, working with Tim Kelly 489 00:16:52,360 --> 00:16:54,840 Speaker 5: this past year and his offensive coordinator background. You know, 490 00:16:54,880 --> 00:16:56,440 Speaker 5: he's been able to teach me a lot more about 491 00:16:56,440 --> 00:16:58,320 Speaker 5: coverages and leverages and being able to like in the 492 00:16:58,360 --> 00:17:00,560 Speaker 5: past game, I love the run, you know, being a 493 00:17:00,600 --> 00:17:02,480 Speaker 5: former receiver, I'm surprised I love the run game as 494 00:17:02,560 --> 00:17:04,160 Speaker 5: much as I do. But he's been able to show 495 00:17:04,200 --> 00:17:05,600 Speaker 5: me kind of how to read the defense is a 496 00:17:05,600 --> 00:17:07,280 Speaker 5: little bit more to understand what we're trying to do 497 00:17:07,320 --> 00:17:08,440 Speaker 5: on the offensive side of the ball. 498 00:17:08,520 --> 00:17:10,919 Speaker 6: So it's not about the pictures. It's not about anything. 499 00:17:10,920 --> 00:17:12,439 Speaker 5: You know, a picture can look one way, but then 500 00:17:12,440 --> 00:17:13,520 Speaker 5: when you get on the field, it's going to be 501 00:17:13,520 --> 00:17:16,560 Speaker 5: completely different based on leverages. So having you know, all 502 00:17:16,560 --> 00:17:18,000 Speaker 5: the one on one reps that we had, I've been 503 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:19,320 Speaker 5: able to sit in with the guys and talk to 504 00:17:19,359 --> 00:17:21,080 Speaker 5: him about how they can win this route a little 505 00:17:21,080 --> 00:17:23,480 Speaker 5: bit more. As a player, I understood the feel of it, 506 00:17:23,520 --> 00:17:25,400 Speaker 5: but as a coach, I wasn't sure how to quite 507 00:17:25,480 --> 00:17:27,240 Speaker 5: articulate that to the guys. So I think that that's 508 00:17:27,280 --> 00:17:30,040 Speaker 5: a big point that I feel, like this versus Shrine 509 00:17:30,080 --> 00:17:31,560 Speaker 5: last year, that I've been able to kind of grow 510 00:17:31,600 --> 00:17:34,040 Speaker 5: with and just understanding that the leadership and the command 511 00:17:34,080 --> 00:17:35,359 Speaker 5: of a room a little bit more than even I 512 00:17:35,359 --> 00:17:36,040 Speaker 5: did last year. 513 00:17:36,240 --> 00:17:38,360 Speaker 6: That's also helped this year, you know, in our room. 514 00:17:38,480 --> 00:17:40,600 Speaker 5: Tim has allowed me to work with some of the 515 00:17:40,640 --> 00:17:42,440 Speaker 5: younger guys on the practice squad, some of the things 516 00:17:42,480 --> 00:17:44,679 Speaker 5: like that, working with THEO Johnson right after we drafted him, 517 00:17:44,680 --> 00:17:45,600 Speaker 5: getting some exture work in. 518 00:17:45,760 --> 00:17:47,840 Speaker 6: So he's kind of helped me develop. 519 00:17:47,880 --> 00:17:50,280 Speaker 5: And I think that with the Shrine will experience with 520 00:17:50,400 --> 00:17:53,080 Speaker 5: him and then this experience right now, it's I definitely 521 00:17:53,160 --> 00:17:54,560 Speaker 5: see myself growing in a lot of ways. 522 00:17:54,680 --> 00:17:56,159 Speaker 1: Let me just follow up on Tim, because it is 523 00:17:56,160 --> 00:17:57,719 Speaker 1: this new tight Ends coach that you're working on. There 524 00:17:57,760 --> 00:17:59,840 Speaker 1: my understanding that he's pretty big in the screen game too, right, 525 00:18:00,000 --> 00:18:01,240 Speaker 1: you know that have worked the screen gam a little 526 00:18:01,240 --> 00:18:03,600 Speaker 1: bit and for tight Ends, not only are you part 527 00:18:03,640 --> 00:18:05,440 Speaker 1: of the screening games and receivers, you're part of the 528 00:18:05,480 --> 00:18:07,159 Speaker 1: blocking and the skiing game tams. How much have you 529 00:18:07,240 --> 00:18:08,240 Speaker 1: learned it in that regard? 530 00:18:08,320 --> 00:18:10,000 Speaker 5: Oh my gosh, she saw me so many different schemes. 531 00:18:10,040 --> 00:18:11,679 Speaker 5: But again, like the timing and the importance of all 532 00:18:11,720 --> 00:18:13,760 Speaker 5: the things right, like everything has to marry up the 533 00:18:13,800 --> 00:18:16,320 Speaker 5: right way, landmarks or landmarks for a reason. So the 534 00:18:16,480 --> 00:18:19,120 Speaker 5: detail that he goes into with all of these little 535 00:18:19,119 --> 00:18:20,880 Speaker 5: things and why it matters. Like I think that we've 536 00:18:20,880 --> 00:18:23,160 Speaker 5: seen from our tight ends this year, like we've taken 537 00:18:23,200 --> 00:18:26,520 Speaker 5: another step forward because we're understanding the whole big picture 538 00:18:26,560 --> 00:18:28,960 Speaker 5: of it and how the timing and the spacing of 539 00:18:29,040 --> 00:18:30,800 Speaker 5: it affects the way that the O line is able 540 00:18:30,840 --> 00:18:32,960 Speaker 5: to come out and block for us. So yeah, I 541 00:18:33,000 --> 00:18:35,360 Speaker 5: mean he's very detail oriented and he's taught me so much. 542 00:18:35,359 --> 00:18:37,600 Speaker 6: So yeah, screens are a big part of our explosive offense. 543 00:18:37,600 --> 00:18:38,320 Speaker 6: So I like that part. 544 00:18:38,520 --> 00:18:40,080 Speaker 1: Thank good stuff. Then we appreciate, have fun the rest 545 00:18:40,080 --> 00:18:40,320 Speaker 1: of the week. 546 00:18:40,320 --> 00:18:41,160 Speaker 6: Appreciated. Thank you. 547 00:18:41,359 --> 00:18:43,040 Speaker 1: If you want to know how to manage two minutes 548 00:18:43,040 --> 00:18:45,240 Speaker 1: of crunch time football, I'm your math. But if you're 549 00:18:45,240 --> 00:18:48,040 Speaker 1: wondering about a long term financial plan, you should talk 550 00:18:48,080 --> 00:18:50,240 Speaker 1: to Citizens. Hey, I can also talk long care. 551 00:18:50,480 --> 00:18:52,800 Speaker 3: I'd like to learn about an mowing routine. Yes, I 552 00:18:52,880 --> 00:18:53,199 Speaker 3: knew I. 553 00:18:53,160 --> 00:18:56,920 Speaker 1: Could help makes sense of your money with Citizens. The 554 00:18:56,960 --> 00:18:59,040 Speaker 1: Giants Little Podcast is brought to you by Citizens, the 555 00:18:59,040 --> 00:19:01,480 Speaker 1: official bank of the Cients. From game day celebrations to 556 00:19:01,520 --> 00:19:03,719 Speaker 1: your everyday financial needs, Big Blue Fans and can get 557 00:19:03,720 --> 00:19:05,879 Speaker 1: the most out of every moment with Citizens. Learn more 558 00:19:05,880 --> 00:19:09,240 Speaker 1: at citizens bank dot com slash Giants All right we 559 00:19:09,280 --> 00:19:11,520 Speaker 1: are on the field. They're after the first practice of 560 00:19:11,560 --> 00:19:13,159 Speaker 1: senior both for the national team. We joined by the 561 00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:15,240 Speaker 1: head coach of the national team, Mike Kafka. Mike had 562 00:19:15,280 --> 00:19:15,680 Speaker 1: practice go. 563 00:19:16,320 --> 00:19:16,880 Speaker 3: It went well. 564 00:19:16,960 --> 00:19:18,040 Speaker 8: You know, I think there's a lot of things we 565 00:19:18,080 --> 00:19:21,040 Speaker 8: got to clean up, but overall, the energy, the effort 566 00:19:21,080 --> 00:19:22,840 Speaker 8: to some of the details we could clean up a man, 567 00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:25,000 Speaker 8: I mean, it was electric care at practice. 568 00:19:25,119 --> 00:19:27,680 Speaker 1: How do you try to go about teaching a bunch 569 00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:30,640 Speaker 1: of twenty one year old and NFL offense in thirty 570 00:19:30,680 --> 00:19:31,200 Speaker 1: six hours? 571 00:19:31,320 --> 00:19:34,240 Speaker 8: Yeah, it just takes time, you know, with anything, But. 572 00:19:34,240 --> 00:19:35,600 Speaker 1: You don't have any time. That's the problem. 573 00:19:35,640 --> 00:19:38,040 Speaker 8: Know what, our coaches have been just stealing time, grabbing them, 574 00:19:38,040 --> 00:19:41,640 Speaker 8: putting in walkthroughs, meeting meeting time. Our coaches have done 575 00:19:41,640 --> 00:19:43,360 Speaker 8: just such a great job. I'm really proud of them, 576 00:19:43,600 --> 00:19:45,920 Speaker 8: from getting you know, from a week ago, just meeting 577 00:19:45,960 --> 00:19:49,200 Speaker 8: everybody and from you know, from nothing, and then putting 578 00:19:49,240 --> 00:19:53,280 Speaker 8: together entire playbook, entire week's worth of practice schedules. I'm 579 00:19:53,320 --> 00:19:55,440 Speaker 8: just very happy where it's at, and you know, we'll 580 00:19:55,440 --> 00:19:56,760 Speaker 8: continue to get better as the week goes on. 581 00:19:56,920 --> 00:19:59,760 Speaker 1: What can you see being with these guys in meetings 582 00:19:59,760 --> 00:20:03,439 Speaker 1: on the feel that you can't learn from combine meetings, 583 00:20:03,560 --> 00:20:05,440 Speaker 1: watching tape and things like that. Yeah, you see their 584 00:20:05,480 --> 00:20:07,000 Speaker 1: competitive their competitive nature. 585 00:20:07,240 --> 00:20:10,119 Speaker 8: You know, you see how they respond when good play happens, 586 00:20:10,160 --> 00:20:12,960 Speaker 8: when a bad play happens. And that's that's, you know, 587 00:20:13,040 --> 00:20:16,159 Speaker 8: the bulk of football. Honestly, the details that of the 588 00:20:16,200 --> 00:20:18,800 Speaker 8: coaches are teaching them. We'll get that cleaned up. But 589 00:20:18,960 --> 00:20:20,560 Speaker 8: I really like where our guys are at in terms 590 00:20:20,600 --> 00:20:21,400 Speaker 8: of competitiveness. 591 00:20:21,440 --> 00:20:23,439 Speaker 1: How important is seeing also how the guys learn, how 592 00:20:23,520 --> 00:20:24,720 Speaker 1: quickly they absorb things. 593 00:20:25,040 --> 00:20:27,520 Speaker 8: Yeah, that's a that's an element of it. It's very 594 00:20:28,040 --> 00:20:31,800 Speaker 8: very simplified offensive defensive scheme. So you know, we're working 595 00:20:31,840 --> 00:20:34,840 Speaker 8: within some rules there. But overall, I think the guys 596 00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:35,760 Speaker 8: are in a really nice job. 597 00:20:35,800 --> 00:20:37,320 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna make you give any names here because 598 00:20:37,320 --> 00:20:39,359 Speaker 1: I know you guys mostly deal with numbers. But in 599 00:20:39,480 --> 00:20:41,240 Speaker 1: terms of your group, what are some of the spots 600 00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:43,040 Speaker 1: and positions maybe that have stood out to you, like, Wow, 601 00:20:43,080 --> 00:20:44,879 Speaker 1: we got some really talented guys in these positions. 602 00:20:45,040 --> 00:20:47,920 Speaker 8: First, the first group start off hot and finished hot. 603 00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:52,520 Speaker 8: Was the D line group really really good energy? That's 604 00:20:52,600 --> 00:20:55,399 Speaker 8: that group stood out. The receiver group stood out. I 605 00:20:55,400 --> 00:20:57,960 Speaker 8: think the quarterback group is coming along. I'm happy where 606 00:20:57,960 --> 00:20:58,760 Speaker 8: they're at. 607 00:20:59,680 --> 00:21:00,359 Speaker 3: The owners. 608 00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:02,640 Speaker 1: So like there's there's four or five groups. 609 00:21:02,320 --> 00:21:03,480 Speaker 3: That to me stood out today. 610 00:21:03,560 --> 00:21:05,560 Speaker 1: Mike, You're the best. Thanks and best luck rest of the week. 611 00:21:05,640 --> 00:21:06,040 Speaker 1: Thank you. 612 00:21:06,280 --> 00:21:06,560 Speaker 3: All Right. 613 00:21:06,560 --> 00:21:09,520 Speaker 1: We're on the field after the first American practice, joined 614 00:21:09,520 --> 00:21:11,840 Speaker 1: by the offensive coordinator for the American team and the 615 00:21:11,840 --> 00:21:14,280 Speaker 1: Giants running backs coach Joe Thomas. Joe, how are you man? 616 00:21:14,359 --> 00:21:14,800 Speaker 3: Wonderful? 617 00:21:14,840 --> 00:21:18,000 Speaker 9: I'm out here coaching ball UH future NFL draft picks. 618 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:21,480 Speaker 9: You know, we're the first UH pro experience that they get, 619 00:21:21,880 --> 00:21:24,359 Speaker 9: and it's very invigorating, you know, to get out there. 620 00:21:24,400 --> 00:21:26,280 Speaker 9: You got guys that are super green and they're eager 621 00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:27,919 Speaker 9: to learn and uh, you know. 622 00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:28,960 Speaker 3: Put their best foot forward. 623 00:21:29,080 --> 00:21:29,800 Speaker 1: How to go today? 624 00:21:29,960 --> 00:21:30,720 Speaker 3: I think it went well. 625 00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:33,840 Speaker 9: You know, obviously we have a very limited time to 626 00:21:34,359 --> 00:21:36,680 Speaker 9: put a game plan together, get everybody on the same 627 00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:39,520 Speaker 9: page to go execute an offense. You know, for me 628 00:21:39,760 --> 00:21:42,280 Speaker 9: calling into the microphone for the first time, that getting 629 00:21:42,359 --> 00:21:44,800 Speaker 9: used to that. But you know, the kids have great 630 00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:48,800 Speaker 9: tempo energy and uh I anticipated a much better and 631 00:21:48,880 --> 00:21:50,080 Speaker 9: cleaner practice tomorrow. 632 00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:51,720 Speaker 1: So I want to before I get to the to 633 00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:53,240 Speaker 1: the kids, I want to talk about you. What is 634 00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:55,800 Speaker 1: it like you know, calling in the plays, taking on 635 00:21:55,920 --> 00:21:58,359 Speaker 1: the duties of an offensive coordinator. As you try to 636 00:21:58,400 --> 00:21:59,960 Speaker 1: move along and develop as a coach. 637 00:21:59,840 --> 00:22:03,760 Speaker 9: Well, obviously your eyes get open to the responsibility that 638 00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:07,199 Speaker 9: is involved with that that role. And it's not just 639 00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:10,520 Speaker 9: being the head coach of your position anymore. It's making 640 00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:13,680 Speaker 9: sure everybody else is accountable to their position. Dott in 641 00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:18,080 Speaker 9: the eyes, crossing the t's and putting together these pieces 642 00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:20,679 Speaker 9: of the puzzle together. So it creates a great, beautiful picture. 643 00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:23,159 Speaker 1: All nice it is to have Bake here doing the 644 00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:25,000 Speaker 1: tight end work, so you have another kind of voice 645 00:22:25,040 --> 00:22:26,840 Speaker 1: that you kind of know how to communicate. 646 00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:30,840 Speaker 9: Fortunately, with this coaching staff that I have with Bake, 647 00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:34,920 Speaker 9: I mean, obviously we're on the same page. James France. 648 00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:38,199 Speaker 9: Obviously the line I got my O line guy, and 649 00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:40,639 Speaker 9: then a couple other coaches I had worked for or 650 00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:44,000 Speaker 9: with at the Saints, so a lot of familiarity, not 651 00:22:44,040 --> 00:22:46,720 Speaker 9: trying to figure out each other. We know what we want, 652 00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:48,600 Speaker 9: there's clear vision and we're ready to go. 653 00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:50,240 Speaker 1: And you got Mike on the defensive side of the 654 00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:52,280 Speaker 1: ball doing his thing too, So a lot of giants 655 00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:54,000 Speaker 1: on both sides. All right. Now, with the kids, how 656 00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:56,120 Speaker 1: have they taken everything. It's so tough to your point, 657 00:22:56,119 --> 00:22:58,640 Speaker 1: to teach them everything so fast. How have they absorbed 658 00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:00,400 Speaker 1: everything would have been some of the challenges and trying 659 00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:02,280 Speaker 1: to get them to absorb all this information in such 660 00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:03,080 Speaker 1: a short period of time. 661 00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:05,359 Speaker 9: I think one of the main things is you start off, 662 00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:08,600 Speaker 9: they have a lot of anxiety when they're walking into 663 00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:11,240 Speaker 9: this professional environment. They're seeing head coaches that they see 664 00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:13,560 Speaker 9: on TV all the time, and it's a big step. 665 00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:16,600 Speaker 9: So my job and our job as coaches is try 666 00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:20,600 Speaker 9: to loosen that anxiety given concepts that hopefully they can 667 00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:21,560 Speaker 9: relate to quickly. 668 00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:23,000 Speaker 3: Because everybody comes. 669 00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:26,600 Speaker 9: From a different offense, different program, different learn style. So 670 00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:28,119 Speaker 9: that's like one of the main things that we have 671 00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:31,280 Speaker 9: to do. Then, you know, for us, and I've always 672 00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:34,920 Speaker 9: believed this, be yourself, if you're full of energy and enthusiasm, 673 00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:37,480 Speaker 9: carry that all the way through, don't don't be fake 674 00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:38,920 Speaker 9: when you're in the meeting room, and then on the 675 00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:43,000 Speaker 9: practice failure one thing different. So that's my motto as 676 00:23:43,040 --> 00:23:45,640 Speaker 9: I roll and go, and I think they've they've adapted 677 00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:49,240 Speaker 9: pretty nicely to make clear expectations as far as what 678 00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:51,440 Speaker 9: we want and hit the ground running. 679 00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:53,560 Speaker 1: What have you been able to learn about these kids 680 00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:56,119 Speaker 1: in a meeting room on the practice field, talking to 681 00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:58,879 Speaker 1: them that you wouldn't be able to learn in a 682 00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:01,080 Speaker 1: normal draft process, where you just meeting them at the combine, 683 00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:02,199 Speaker 1: watching tape and things like that. 684 00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:06,240 Speaker 9: Well, you get to the combine and there's that carbon copy. 685 00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:09,919 Speaker 9: Everybody's kind of prepared for the the the interviews, for the. 686 00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:13,880 Speaker 3: Workouts and all that stuff. We're here. What I get 687 00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:14,280 Speaker 3: out of it. 688 00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:16,879 Speaker 9: I can see kids and the way they I say, kids, 689 00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:20,240 Speaker 9: young men, the way that they handle the good and 690 00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:22,840 Speaker 9: also the adversity that may be a drop ball and 691 00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:25,560 Speaker 9: miss block, and and I can get a little feel 692 00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:29,240 Speaker 9: for how that person response to to all those circumstances 693 00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:31,720 Speaker 9: and and those are those are huge when you're trying 694 00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:34,240 Speaker 9: to build your team and and and create you know, 695 00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:36,040 Speaker 9: dogs in your in your meeting room. 696 00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:38,639 Speaker 1: Any position groups stand out to you today during practice? 697 00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:40,760 Speaker 9: You know, I'd say the composer with the quarterbacks was 698 00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:43,880 Speaker 9: pretty solid. I like the way the receivers were competing, 699 00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:46,000 Speaker 9: you know, the tight ends. We hit a couple more 700 00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:48,879 Speaker 9: balls with them. I'm trying not to be partial to 701 00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:50,719 Speaker 9: running backs, so I'm not gonna talk about them right now. 702 00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:52,680 Speaker 9: That's that's the biggest change for me right now too, 703 00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:54,600 Speaker 9: Like I want to gravitate to them. 704 00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:56,040 Speaker 3: And I'm like, all right, I keep my hands off 705 00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:56,480 Speaker 3: for right now. 706 00:24:56,480 --> 00:24:57,920 Speaker 1: And do some dudes there too, by the way, that 707 00:24:57,920 --> 00:24:58,600 Speaker 1: are pretty good. Yeah. 708 00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:01,960 Speaker 9: Yeah, I've seen a couple like I call it spaghetti 709 00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:04,399 Speaker 9: sauce moves where you know they're it may not have 710 00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:06,399 Speaker 9: been perfect the meal, and then a little sauce on 711 00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:07,960 Speaker 9: it will help it taste a little better. 712 00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:10,440 Speaker 3: And they showed a little promise. 713 00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:11,960 Speaker 1: There, Joe, good stuff, man, Good luck the rest of 714 00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:12,560 Speaker 1: the week, and have fun. 715 00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:14,760 Speaker 3: I appreciate it. Thank you. Go Giants, puddle up, get 716 00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:15,080 Speaker 3: in here. 717 00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:17,679 Speaker 1: If you're lined up here, you gotta go over the 718 00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:19,399 Speaker 1: middle with at the score great? 719 00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:20,919 Speaker 6: How do we make that happen? 720 00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:25,000 Speaker 1: I don't know, Bud Citizens? Does it makes sense of 721 00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:29,679 Speaker 1: your money with citizens? Official Bank of Eli Manning All right, 722 00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:31,760 Speaker 1: back here at the Shrine Bowl, and we're gonna talk 723 00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:36,720 Speaker 1: now to West defensive quarter nator John Agarogu, John, how 724 00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:37,359 Speaker 1: are you, man? 725 00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:38,600 Speaker 3: Good man? I'm doing good. 726 00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:40,880 Speaker 1: Now you're the Giants linebackers coach. But now you got 727 00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:43,640 Speaker 1: your hands on the entire defense. What has that experience 728 00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:44,280 Speaker 1: been like for you? 729 00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:46,359 Speaker 7: It's been good, you know what I mean. I was 730 00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:48,720 Speaker 7: talking to some of the other guys. Man, I get caught, 731 00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:50,480 Speaker 7: you know, just staring at linebacker and you got to 732 00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:52,400 Speaker 7: remind yourself, you know what I mean, you're the coordinator, 733 00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:55,520 Speaker 7: trying to see the bigger picture, right. But it's been good, man. 734 00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:57,959 Speaker 7: I'm excited. Man, I've had a good time doing it. 735 00:25:57,960 --> 00:25:59,159 Speaker 7: It's been a great experience for me. 736 00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:01,480 Speaker 1: What has it been like, like trying to teach these 737 00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:03,800 Speaker 1: kids and so let's say truncated amount of time, You've 738 00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:06,080 Speaker 1: had what forty eight hours with these guys and you 739 00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:08,199 Speaker 1: got to go out and practice what is how have 740 00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:10,520 Speaker 1: they absorbed the information? And how is a teacher? Have 741 00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:13,040 Speaker 1: you tried to present it so they can kind of 742 00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:14,800 Speaker 1: bring it in and understand it so quickly. 743 00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:16,680 Speaker 7: I think the biggest thing is just less is more, 744 00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:18,840 Speaker 7: you know what I mean, And like, try not to 745 00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:21,480 Speaker 7: get frustrated. Like they're trying to get a lot of 746 00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:23,960 Speaker 7: content and a lot of information in there, you know, 747 00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:26,320 Speaker 7: at a quick time. So they're gonna make mistakes and 748 00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:28,080 Speaker 7: you just gotta be okay with it as long as 749 00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:30,600 Speaker 7: you get stuff corrected. But just try to be patient, 750 00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:32,280 Speaker 7: you know what I mean. Try to try to teach 751 00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:34,400 Speaker 7: things at a base level and then try to build 752 00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:34,840 Speaker 7: after that. 753 00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:36,440 Speaker 3: But it's been good, it's been good. 754 00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:38,200 Speaker 1: How have they absorbed the how's it gone? 755 00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:39,880 Speaker 3: I think they did. I think they did a good job. 756 00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:41,960 Speaker 7: You know, we came out here practice one and I 757 00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:43,919 Speaker 7: thought the guys were able to get lined up. 758 00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:46,320 Speaker 3: We're able to execute. So that's what that's what you want. 759 00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:49,639 Speaker 7: Like, you can fix the technique all that other stuff later, 760 00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:52,000 Speaker 7: but as long as they can get a line and execute, 761 00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:53,960 Speaker 7: have ability to play fast, you got a chance. 762 00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:56,160 Speaker 1: So give me these shame bowen head coach scating report. 763 00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:57,399 Speaker 1: How's he been as the guy at the top of 764 00:26:57,440 --> 00:26:58,360 Speaker 1: the totem pole this week? 765 00:26:58,680 --> 00:26:59,480 Speaker 3: It seems been good. 766 00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:02,520 Speaker 7: I mean he's he's organizing very detail, you know what 767 00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:04,560 Speaker 7: I mean. He knows what he wants. He's gonna communicate 768 00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:06,600 Speaker 7: that properly. So you know, it's been great. 769 00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:08,480 Speaker 1: What have you been able to learn about these guys 770 00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:11,080 Speaker 1: in this environment that even interviewing them at the combine 771 00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:14,280 Speaker 1: you can't figure out But now that you're in meetings 772 00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:15,560 Speaker 1: with them you can see that here. 773 00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:17,600 Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, you just you got to see how 774 00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:19,840 Speaker 7: they just operate from the minute they wake up, you 775 00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:22,320 Speaker 7: know what I mean, Like you'll see them in getting breakfast, 776 00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:24,399 Speaker 7: What do they do? What does their routine look like? 777 00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:26,680 Speaker 7: You get a lot of that information that you don't 778 00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:29,040 Speaker 7: necessarily see. A lot of times they tell you what 779 00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:31,560 Speaker 7: they what their routine is, whether or not that's true 780 00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:34,200 Speaker 7: or not, But here you get to see it in action. 781 00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:36,399 Speaker 7: You get to see how they learn in the in 782 00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:40,280 Speaker 7: the meeting rooms, how they handle walkthroughs, all of those things. 783 00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:43,040 Speaker 7: So you get a lot of inside information on these 784 00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:44,320 Speaker 7: guys players, how they tick. 785 00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:47,199 Speaker 1: Now valuables it to see how they interact with coaches 786 00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:48,560 Speaker 1: and teammates too, right, I. 787 00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:50,479 Speaker 7: Think that's really important, you know what I mean, Like 788 00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:52,800 Speaker 7: you get to see how those guys if they're if 789 00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:55,920 Speaker 7: they're around other people, are they always sitting by theirselves 790 00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:58,480 Speaker 7: things of that nature, and not saying that like either 791 00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:00,359 Speaker 7: one is bad, but you just got to see, like 792 00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:02,679 Speaker 7: what's the real personality going to be? Like how are 793 00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:05,359 Speaker 7: they gonna mess with the with our current group in 794 00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:06,960 Speaker 7: New York and and and those things. 795 00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:07,400 Speaker 3: So it's good. 796 00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:09,760 Speaker 1: Finally, what are your main goals? Things that you want 797 00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:11,920 Speaker 1: to learn and think, how you want to grow. Given 798 00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:13,680 Speaker 1: the chance to be a defensive coordinator here. 799 00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:16,280 Speaker 7: Yeah, you know, I think the biggest thing is just 800 00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:19,200 Speaker 7: being able to organize your time, being able. 801 00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:21,200 Speaker 3: To uh to organize a coaching staff. 802 00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:24,919 Speaker 7: Working with them, you learn a lot about yourself, like 803 00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:27,800 Speaker 7: being able to trust other people, like like again, I've 804 00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:30,399 Speaker 7: always coached linebackers, Now somebody else is coaching them and 805 00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:33,120 Speaker 7: being able to have that trust right, Being able to lead, 806 00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:36,040 Speaker 7: be able to communicate what your vision is for the defense. 807 00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:38,200 Speaker 3: Those things. That's that's the biggest. 808 00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:41,400 Speaker 7: Part that that I'm learning as we go as part 809 00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:42,360 Speaker 7: of this process. 810 00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:43,680 Speaker 1: Good stuff, man, good look to us to way say 811 00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:45,560 Speaker 1: it man, Thank you man. We call Eggs the DC 812 00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:47,800 Speaker 1: for the West team here at the Shrine game. Giants 813 00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:49,520 Speaker 1: linebacker Scopes, thanks for being with us. We'll see you 814 00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:51,480 Speaker 1: next time. And that's all the telling me after the 815 00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:53,800 Speaker 1: Giants little podcast brought to you by Citizens, the official 816 00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:56,000 Speaker 1: Bank of the Giants. We thank all the Giants assistant 817 00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:59,160 Speaker 1: coaches UH for joining us. We appreciate their time. And 818 00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:01,640 Speaker 1: you might be one. There wasn't Mike Pops Adams down 819 00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:04,480 Speaker 1: there too doing assistant coaching. Well, I was supposed to 820 00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:06,520 Speaker 1: talk to him on Thursday before I left the Senior Bowl, 821 00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:09,640 Speaker 1: but he came down with an illness and he was 822 00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:11,800 Speaker 1: not a practice. They didn't want to have him interacting 823 00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:14,680 Speaker 1: with the players and getting those guys sick. So didn't 824 00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:17,160 Speaker 1: have a chance to talk to Pops, which was unfortunate, 825 00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:19,720 Speaker 1: that's his nickname. Uh did talk to him the year 826 00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:21,680 Speaker 1: prior when he was at the Senior Bowl, so missed 827 00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:23,400 Speaker 1: out on him. But I hope you enjoyed the other interviews, 828 00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:26,720 Speaker 1: getting to find out about what these Giants coaches can 829 00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:28,720 Speaker 1: learn about the players when they're at these All Star Games. 830 00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:30,120 Speaker 1: Thanks for being with us. Those all brought to you 831 00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:32,800 Speaker 1: by Citizens, the Official Bank of the Giants. Another Giants 832 00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:34,320 Speaker 1: Little Podcast. We'll see you next time.