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Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt,
Speaker 2: my name is Noah.
Speaker 3: They call me Bed. We're joined as always with our
Speaker 3: super producer Dylan the Tennessee pal Fagan. Most importantly, you
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Speaker 3: you to know. If you're listening to this the evening
Speaker 3: it comes out, Welcome to December, Monday, December second, the
Speaker 3: last month of twenty twenty four. The calendar may stop
Speaker 3: pretty soon, but the news does not. We just credit
Speaker 3: where it's due. Dylan is so awesome, you guys. As
Speaker 3: we were get ready to record our strange news segment,
Speaker 3: Dylan said, Hey, did you guys see that news about
Speaker 3: dB Cooper? And I think we all immediately went, what, I.
Speaker 4: Don't know anything about this. Oh my gosh, tell me
Speaker 4: more again.
Speaker 3: Gretit to Dylla. But we've learned this just came out
Speaker 3: pretty recently this week, I think just yesterday. It's a
Speaker 3: new lead on the dB Cooper case, the only unsolved
Speaker 3: skyjacking in American history. But it's maybe a lead because
Speaker 3: it appears that the children of a guy named Richard McCoy,
Speaker 3: the second a convicted skyjacker, have been hiding a modified
Speaker 3: parachute for years, and this modified parachute maybe similar to
Speaker 3: the type authorities believe dB Cooper used in his nineteen
Speaker 3: seventy one skyjacking. I'm pulling a lot of this from
Speaker 3: our pals at Interesting Engineering Capill Kajal.
Speaker 4: What does a modified parachute consist of?
Speaker 3: Unclear at this point. We need to do a little
Speaker 3: bit more digging. This is probably one of those do
Speaker 3: the reddit kind of situations, but probably the modification for
Speaker 3: the harness, I would imagine. I'm just guessing here.
Speaker 4: What does it mean? Ben? Is this guy potentially the
Speaker 4: mysterious dB Cooper or just related, perhaps a co conspirator.
Speaker 3: Perhaps? You know, skyjacking is not a typical run of
Speaker 3: the mill crime. Thankfully, the FBI says they do know
Speaker 3: a little bit more about the parachute modification because they
Speaker 3: know the guy who modified parachutes, a guy named Earl
Speaker 3: Cossi who's a skydiver working with the FBI until twenty thirteen,
Speaker 3: when he was murdered.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and this particular thing was found by this dude
Speaker 2: named Dan Grider who's a YouTuber right, and he found
Speaker 2: it two years ago in a North Carolina property that
Speaker 2: used to be owned by this other person, Richard McCoy
Speaker 2: the second, who is he is a known skyheister, convicted skyjacker,
Speaker 2: and he ended up dying in nineteen seventy four. But
Speaker 2: just the fact that this parachute was found on property
Speaker 2: from this guy he was also a skyjacker, means that
Speaker 2: maybe this dude McCoy was the real McCoy the Well,
Speaker 2: so maybe the need for modifying a parachute for a
Speaker 2: skyjacking have to do with the ability to like carry
Speaker 2: more cargo, hold more stuff.
Speaker 3: You know. I just wonder it could be carrying more stuff,
Speaker 3: that's a great idea. It could be possibly making it
Speaker 3: less conspicuous if you carry it off you on a plane.
Speaker 4: To smuggle in so nobody knows that you've got a
Speaker 4: big old hunchback situation going on.
Speaker 3: I'm sure we'll find the answers there. We just we
Speaker 3: got this as breaking news deliver if we can get
Speaker 3: a breaking news sound cue. Great. Uh, there's another thing
Speaker 3: I think Matt, you want to talk about before we
Speaker 3: before we really dive in here. We've said it in
Speaker 3: the past, the there is a tragic and inspiring world
Speaker 3: record that has has a pretty high turnaround.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, So back in April of this year, the
Speaker 2: oldest man was Juan Vincente Perez. He was one hundred
Speaker 2: and fourteen years old, and then he died and then
Speaker 2: I know, but he a awesome long life, right now,
Speaker 2: that's true, it's true. Nice work, mister Perez. Then it
Speaker 2: got or the crown, I suppose, was moved on over
Speaker 2: to a gentleman in England named John Tenniswood, who up
Speaker 2: until just a few days ago was one hundred and
Speaker 2: twelve years old. Again a nice ripe old age. But
Speaker 2: unfortunately the crown has now passed on to somebody new
Speaker 2: that we don't know yet.
Speaker 3: Right because they're still searching, and unfortunately, in this particular
Speaker 3: world record, there's a non zero chance that the person
Speaker 3: who technically holds that record now may pass away before
Speaker 3: they get found. It's really tough too, because when we're
Speaker 3: talking about someone living that long of a life a centurion,
Speaker 3: than what you're seeing is the records get dodgy. The
Speaker 3: further back you go. And I love that we're pointing
Speaker 3: out it's the world's oldest and which is rated differently
Speaker 3: because women human women tend to live longer than human dudes.
Speaker 3: The oldest living person right now is Tonika Etoka, Japanese national,
Speaker 3: who is currently one hundred and sixteen years old. Miss Atoka.
Speaker 3: We wish you the best. What a life, What stories
Speaker 3: you must have?
Speaker 2: All right? What do you say we get to the news, guys.
Speaker 4: Oh man, we should.
Speaker 3: We'll be back after word from our sponsors, and we
Speaker 3: have returned. Been holding on to a lot of disturbing
Speaker 3: espionage news, particularly in the world of cyber attacks and
Speaker 3: China and the EU and the United States. That might
Speaker 3: be something we get to if we have time. First
Speaker 3: and foremost, I was thinking, guys, we look at DHL.
Speaker 3: I'm sure we all saw the news. There's some excellent
Speaker 3: reporting about this. A plane from DHL, a cargo plane,
Speaker 3: crashed near the Venilius airport in Lithuania. The investigators are
Speaker 3: currently looking into it. But one thing that made this
Speaker 3: clock on our radar is huh radar aviation jokes, is
Speaker 3: that the the plane left from Germany and Germany's foreign
Speaker 3: Minister just in the wee hours on Monday as we're
Speaker 3: as we're recording this said this could have been an
Speaker 3: accident or it could have been quote a hybrid attack
Speaker 3: in volatile times. The plane itself, swift Air Flight five
Speaker 3: nine six zero, was a Boeing, but I get in
Speaker 3: front of that. It was a Boeing seven thirty seven.
Speaker 3: It was operated by Swift Air on behalf of the
Speaker 3: quarrier company DHL. The investigation is ongoing as we record now.
Speaker 3: We do know, unfortunately, there was one fatality, there were
Speaker 3: two injuries. We're not sure exactly what went wrong. The
Speaker 3: big question right now is was it a technical issue,
Speaker 3: which unfortunately can happen with any aircraft, or was someone
Speaker 3: purposely messing with the plane or messing with something on
Speaker 3: the plane? Was this an act of belevolence. That's what
Speaker 3: is keeping several authorities in the EU up at night
Speaker 3: right now. A great primer on this as of now
Speaker 3: is a piece from Lee Kemmins McManus, who is writing
Speaker 3: for The Daily Beast. Playe operated by DHL downed in
Speaker 3: mystery crash that killed one person. Now, this is a
Speaker 3: great article because it gives you the timeline the primer
Speaker 3: of the tragic events, but it also points us to
Speaker 3: the larger context. This was not happening in a vacuum.
Speaker 4: Guys.
Speaker 3: If we go back further in the month, still very
Speaker 3: recently to November fifth, shout out V for Vendetta, is
Speaker 3: that the right one?
Speaker 4: I think it is. Remember remember the fifth I think
Speaker 4: that's right.
Speaker 3: Okay, all right, I'm looking at you guys for all right. So, uh,
Speaker 3: if we go to an article by Frank Gardner, who
Speaker 3: is a security correspondence for BBC, we see that someone
Speaker 3: quote unquote any unnamed Russian intelligence agency may have been
Speaker 3: targeting courier companies already in Poland and the United Kingdom
Speaker 3: and in Germany DHL.
Speaker 4: Is is it like consumer facing or is this more
Speaker 4: for large freight stuff. It appears to be a very
Speaker 4: large private logistics and shipping company. I'm just wondering who's
Speaker 4: it for.
Speaker 3: They do express mail, they do package delivery with the
Speaker 3: ups etical court. It's like Germany, he says, we have
Speaker 3: ups at home. It's it's huge. They do over one
Speaker 3: seven billion parcels a year. They are a German logistics company.
Speaker 3: So if you were trying to disrupt or test run
Speaker 3: disruption on a Caurier network DHL would be a great
Speaker 3: thing to compromise. This is why people are so intensely
Speaker 3: curious as to whether the recent Lithuania crash was the
Speaker 3: result of a conspiracy, because these parcel fires that have
Speaker 3: already been happening. Last month, in September, authorities arrested four
Speaker 3: people in an inter European investigation Western security officials. As
Speaker 3: a Western security people anyway, it's their job, is what
Speaker 3: we're saying. Those guys told US media that they think
Speaker 3: these fires that were occurring as early as this summer
Speaker 3: is July, were quote an orchestrated campaign by Russia's military
Speaker 3: intelligence agency that gru Now, let's walk it out, walk
Speaker 3: it out, Let's dig up the rubarb on this one. Guys,
Speaker 3: why would you, if you were an intelligence agency, why
Speaker 3: would you do dry runs on a courier company like this?
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 4: And I'm also like I've always wondered, like how large
Speaker 4: these types of courrier planes are. So like a seven
Speaker 4: thirty seven that's like a jumbo jet. I mean, that's
Speaker 4: the same type of plane that would be before, you know,
Speaker 4: transporting passengers. It does appear that the pilot and the
Speaker 4: co pilot survived and it was only one crew member
Speaker 4: that was killed, So it seems like it would be
Speaker 4: about the same level of staff as a commercial flight
Speaker 4: as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and yes and no. Right, it is a whole
Speaker 2: different operation because we are talking about cargo planes where
Speaker 2: it's mostly cargo that's being taken out.
Speaker 4: I'm just saying in terms of like personnel, like you know,
Speaker 4: you need a pilot, you need a copilot, and then
Speaker 4: obviously there was some additional crew. I'm just wondering about
Speaker 4: how many.
Speaker 3: Like that's really it's a great question because typically, I mean,
Speaker 3: think of a locomotive here in the United States, they're
Speaker 3: going to have a shockingly small staff for the amount
Speaker 3: or small crew for the amount of stuff they're carrying.
Speaker 3: And often, depending on the nature of the cargo, you'll
Speaker 3: see the same thing in aviation as you would in locomotion.
Speaker 3: I keep going back to these explosions, guys, because get
Speaker 3: this right now, the best guess for the series of
Speaker 3: explosions over summer was that someone quote unquote someone had
Speaker 3: loaded rigged electric massage machines into cargo, and not all
Speaker 3: of the machines were rigged, just like not every pager
Speaker 3: made by that company in one country or another was
Speaker 3: rigged to explode. But these these had some sort of
Speaker 3: magnesium based thing some sort of to them, right, which
Speaker 3: is not what your electric massage machine is supposed to do.
Speaker 3: We don't know the nature of the massage machine, but
Speaker 3: we're looking into it. Apparently they had an incendiary device
Speaker 3: as well attached, and this led to the things catching
Speaker 3: fire or blowing up. So some of them just sort
Speaker 3: of caught light and then some of them absolutely exploded.
Speaker 2: Okay, So I want to go back to the question
Speaker 2: you asked Ben where like why would they do this?
Speaker 5: Right?
Speaker 2: What's the goal for doing this stuff? So in my mind,
Speaker 2: I'm only seeing two scenarios, and maybe I'm wrong, So
Speaker 2: tell me what you think. The first one is to
Speaker 2: disrupt specific shipments, So get your shipments with the firebomb
Speaker 2: things onto other DHL shipments that they know have strategic
Speaker 2: either weapons or you know, like aid supplies or food
Speaker 2: or something that one of these courier services is sending
Speaker 2: to like a war zone, right sure.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: The second would be to somehow disrupt operations at a
Speaker 2: large hub, like in this instance, where it's a huge
Speaker 2: DHL hub that you know, then has a massive fire
Speaker 2: and crash incident, which means probably most of their stuff
Speaker 2: is going to get delayed at least for some period
Speaker 2: of time, depending on how bad the situation is, right.
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, and I think you're getting to one of
Speaker 3: the most salient points here in this kind of operation.
Speaker 3: If there is an operation afoot, the content of the
Speaker 3: cargo may matter less than the infrastructure reach of the carrier. Right, So,
Speaker 3: if you are, for instance, compromising FedEx, you're not necessarily
Speaker 3: looking for one truck based on what it carries. You're
Speaker 3: looking for a truck based on where it goes. And
Speaker 3: so the ability to infiltrate the logistics operations of a
Speaker 3: giant like DHL is quite appealing tasymmetric warfare. And before
Speaker 3: this sounds too dry, I saw, well, let's go to
Speaker 3: New York Post, not my favorite source, but to give
Speaker 3: the human in toll of this, I'd love to briefly
Speaker 3: play an audio clip of the Lithuania crash. Is that
Speaker 3: all right with you, guys?
Speaker 4: I was going to ask. I just saw that that
Speaker 4: was available. Yeah, I'm anxious to hear it.
Speaker 3: Right, Well, this will be short, it may not be
Speaker 3: appropriate for all listeners. So so just trigger warning ahead
Speaker 3: of time. If this is not your bag of badgers.
Speaker 3: Fast forward about a minute and a half.
Speaker 5: When does.
Speaker 6: Good morning delta the son thousands of four thousand feet
Speaker 6: tell me to one zero zero that's apportunately. Remember this is.
Speaker 3: The moment air traffic control realize the loss.
Speaker 5: Of the flight expected ailist runway one night firm and
Speaker 5: looking forward to the ailist.
Speaker 2: I think in the shot you can see the plane
Speaker 2: weigh in the distance right, Yes, but that's correct, firm.
Speaker 5: Uh if for what he does that, we are all
Speaker 5: put the after.
Speaker 6: The centautus to two thousand, seven hundred feet can eat
Speaker 6: one two zero greet unless you one manner establish okay
Speaker 6: undred six.
Speaker 5: Question too serious here and we have there for the
Speaker 5: island will report to fablish postman question the multiple goes.
Speaker 5: Cancel your start up, go back to your stand number.
Speaker 5: We just got a.
Speaker 2: Crash of aircraft on the finals, so we will need sometime.
Speaker 3: We'll stop there. The first thing to say here is
Speaker 3: that we have to commend the control of the professionals involved.
Speaker 3: You know, you're hearing people reporting facts. They're not panicking.
Speaker 3: We can clearly hear you know, the first forty to
Speaker 3: fifty seconds where it's just routine. And I don't know
Speaker 3: about you, guys, but in my experience kicking it with
Speaker 3: ATC folks air traffic Control, they already their routine is
Speaker 3: already very intense.
Speaker 4: They're all customers.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And in that video you can see the plane
Speaker 2: coming in right as everybody's doing, they're getting commps from
Speaker 2: the airplane. Airplane pilot and copriter are communicating and saying, yeah,
Speaker 2: we're going down to twenty seven hundred feet, we're like
Speaker 2: descending now. And then right as it goes over the
Speaker 2: top of that DHL building, like in the background, you
Speaker 2: see a huge fireball.
Speaker 4: Yeah, guys, is there any possibility that this is a
Speaker 4: you know, nine to eleven esque attack of some sort?
Speaker 4: I mean, obviously not from the same personnel that did
Speaker 4: that here in this country, but you know, it did
Speaker 4: narrowly miss a residential property. I just wonder if it
Speaker 4: was like a weaponization of an aircraft.
Speaker 3: That's the question. Right now. We're still in kind of
Speaker 3: a fog of war situation as the investigation continues, because
Speaker 3: some investigators or some sources have said, we think this
Speaker 3: is a technical issue, right Others are saying, clearly, this
Speaker 3: occurs within the context of that July arson attack series.
Speaker 3: We haven't had too much official statement language from the
Speaker 3: aircraft manufacturer Boeing other than condolences for crew members and
Speaker 3: families supporting the investigation honestly the boiler plate stuff. But again,
Speaker 3: I think it's indicative of the larger milieu here, the
Speaker 3: incredibly high tension right now between NATO and Russia, between
Speaker 3: Germany and Russia, that they immediately went public and said, hey,
Speaker 3: we don't we don't know, right, we don't want to
Speaker 3: accidentally trigger an escalation by making unfounded accusations. One of
Speaker 3: the latest updates is that the Lithuanian Special Services during
Speaker 3: they're briefing said there have been at this point no
Speaker 3: indications of foul play, so it could have just been
Speaker 3: a tragic accident. And with that, I have to ask you, guys,
Speaker 3: do you got any Spidey sense tingling on this?
Speaker 4: Just a Boeing can't catch a break?
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: This is a weird situation. I think we're going to
Speaker 2: have to learn more because it it when you watch
Speaker 2: there are other videos that are available of this specific
Speaker 2: plane crash where it does look as though it's descending
Speaker 2: in a normal flight pattern. And then then at the
Speaker 2: end it tail it You can see the tail go
Speaker 2: up as though it is going nose DIY, but it
Speaker 2: knows dies within We're talking one hundred something feet two
Speaker 2: under very low just all of a sudden just goes
Speaker 2: So it could have just been pilot error and we
Speaker 2: just don't know yet.
Speaker 3: We do also on a gain of positive notes. You know,
Speaker 3: you guys have been trying to look for positive things lately.
Speaker 3: The two folks who did survive, it's entirely due to
Speaker 3: the action of the first responders and to dark lottery.
Speaker 3: Upon impact, the cockpit of the aircraft was separated from
Speaker 3: the fuselage and the fuselage ignited. So if these first
Speaker 3: responders had not been as professional and as quick and
Speaker 3: competent as they are, and if the cockpit had remained attached,
Speaker 3: this would be a very different story. So with this
Speaker 3: in mind, fellow conspiracy realist, we want your help. You
Speaker 3: don't have to be extensively experienced in aviation or in
Speaker 3: sabotaging electric massage machines, I guess, but we'd love to
Speaker 3: hear the larger context. We'd love to hear your theories,
Speaker 3: from most plausible to the most out. There is it
Speaker 3: possible that we could be watching asymmetrical at least penetration
Speaker 3: test or dry runs of such a large supply chain network.
Speaker 3: If so, let us know. Conspiracy atiheartradio dot Com won
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Speaker 4: And we've returned after a pretty spirited conversation off air
Speaker 4: about these potential tariffs coming our way and what that
Speaker 4: might mean in terms of, you know, potential compromand from
Speaker 4: the Russians on the US government, on the new incoming administration.
Speaker 4: It's something that I think we reserve for an on
Speaker 4: air discussion a little bit later. But it is fascinating stuff.
Speaker 4: But in the meantime, you guys remember Pokemon Go to
Speaker 4: the joy I.
Speaker 3: Remember specifically a couple of times with Pokemon Go Noel
Speaker 3: we would be hanging out somewhere, would have all the
Speaker 3: way I kindly requested for people not to point their
Speaker 3: cameras at I know that.
Speaker 4: I remember there was a snorlax on your shoulder and
Speaker 4: you were like, get that boy, go find a different
Speaker 4: find different marks. Yeah, you did say it respectfully, Ben,
Speaker 4: and I do appreciate that.
Speaker 2: The ex wife was obsessed and she would travel to
Speaker 2: all different places to catch the old Pokemons.
Speaker 4: Well, you know, we see oftentimes here in the fair
Speaker 4: metropolis of Metro Atlanta, those Google cars rolling around mapping stuff,
Speaker 4: taking photographs. And you know, I'm sure we've all Google
Speaker 4: mapped our homes and we see, oh, that picture is
Speaker 4: from a year ago, or that picture is from six
Speaker 4: months ago, or what have you, because there's a different
Speaker 4: tree or a different bench or something, or it was
Speaker 4: before I even lived here.
Speaker 3: I waved to the Waimo driver today who was collecting stuff.
Speaker 3: I was running some errands and exercising. I do that
Speaker 3: pretty early in the morning now, and I almost got
Speaker 3: hit by the Waymo driver, and so I just waved
Speaker 3: that we.
Speaker 4: Don't have driverless waymos here yet, though I don't think
Speaker 4: right I saw. I saw my first one in Austin,
Speaker 4: Texas recently, which I believe is ground z all that
Speaker 4: kind of stuff, but it was driverless.
Speaker 3: I looked it looked to have a guy sitting sitting
Speaker 3: in there, but not with the hands on the wheel.
Speaker 4: The one I saw in Austin was fully unmanned and
Speaker 4: it was freaky. I'd never seen one before and it
Speaker 4: was like right next to me, and I was like,
Speaker 4: what if it just you know, goes ai, goes bonkers
Speaker 4: and just sideswipes us or something.
Speaker 3: So yeah, all to say thank you for not hitting
Speaker 3: me this morning, and also.
Speaker 4: All to say thank you for not Pokemon going, Ben
Speaker 4: as well. This is a big obsession. I did it
Speaker 4: for a bit. It's fun because it capitalized on people's
Speaker 4: desire to play games but also to kind of touch grass.
Speaker 4: Right before that was as much of a a a
Speaker 4: kind of a buzz phrase as it is now. And
Speaker 4: so I remember when it first came out. Super smart,
Speaker 4: very very I guess tapped in people that I'm friends with,
Speaker 4: We're super into Pokemon Go. Knowing full well the background
Speaker 4: of the parent company, Neantic and their ties to Google,
Speaker 4: their ties to government programs. I believe there's some personnel
Speaker 4: involved in Nantick that had previous connections to the NSA. Ben,
Speaker 4: do you remember what the deal was with that. What
Speaker 4: was the Nantic government kind of crossover.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so Niantic is a pretty fascinating case. It is
Speaker 3: an American software company, right. I think a lot of
Speaker 3: people when you hear Pokemon Go, you assume it's a
Speaker 3: Japanese company, makes sense, but Neantic is not. They're based
Speaker 3: out of San Francisco, and there are questions about things
Speaker 3: like the board and the founding the company had spun out.
Speaker 3: It started with Google, but it comes from Google in
Speaker 3: twenty fifteen after Google said hey, we're restructuring to Alphabet Incorporated.
Speaker 4: Yes, And if I'm not mistaken, the current senior vice
Speaker 4: president of engineering at Nantick also had ties to Google Earth,
Speaker 4: formerly a part of Google, where he was the co
Speaker 4: creator of Google Earth and street View and Google Maps.
Speaker 4: So sorry, a lot of preamble here to say that
Speaker 4: your suspicions and concerns Ben along with again many of
Speaker 4: my very smart friends who'd still use the service or
Speaker 4: use the free game, were in fact accurate on a
Speaker 4: couple of fronts. So there is a recent article from Jalopnik,
Speaker 4: which is a site that you guys always used to
Speaker 4: cite on car stuff. It's a really really cool site.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I like jelopnick a lot, and the headline says it
Speaker 4: all guys, Pokemon Go was a plot to use your
Speaker 4: data to fast track an AI slop Google Maps competitor.
Speaker 4: And I don't know if you guys have been seeing
Speaker 4: this term flying around a lot more, but I love
Speaker 4: the term slop referring to like AI generated garba basically
Speaker 4: or kind of like lazy fake art or writing. They
Speaker 4: call it AI slop. So all of those individuals, millions
Speaker 4: and millions, chances are you out there probably played the
Speaker 4: game at least once. I certainly did all of that
Speaker 4: information where you would go out into the world to
Speaker 4: catch these Pokemon. You gotta catch them all, and to
Speaker 4: go to these places called gyms or there are certain
Speaker 4: like waypoints where you had to like it was like
Speaker 4: usually it would be a big, big building or a
Speaker 4: target or some kind of like geographical location which is
Speaker 4: where you would have to go to fight other Pokemon men.
Speaker 4: That was all part of it. So all of the information,
Speaker 4: the data generated by all of these people rolling around
Speaker 4: and checking in and scanning with their phones. This it's
Speaker 4: ultra what do they call it, augmented reality. So you
Speaker 4: got an overlay of the little fella. You know, you
Speaker 4: throw the ball at him, you try to catch it,
Speaker 4: and in that period of holding your phone up, the
Speaker 4: phone is recording what you're pointing it at, likely logging
Speaker 4: the GPS data as well as the imagery. So rather
Speaker 4: than having to have a some sort of unmanned vehicle
Speaker 4: or a Google street View car driving around constantly scanning
Speaker 4: and photographing and mapping spatially all of the different streets,
Speaker 4: you've got human beings which are much more nimble, able
Speaker 4: to get into much tighter places. And when you combine
Speaker 4: all of that into this massive neural network, you get
Speaker 4: really good information about about data points related to mapping
Speaker 4: the best walking distance because when you would put it
Speaker 4: in I remember, haven't played it in a long time,
Speaker 4: you would kind of get walking directions on the thing
Speaker 4: to get to the point that you were seeking this pokemon.
Speaker 4: They would be like, oh, you so and so a
Speaker 4: rare snorlax was found near you, and then it would
Speaker 4: map you there.
Speaker 3: And further, you're incentivized to go to very specific places.
Speaker 4: They're telling you they.
Speaker 3: Can put it wherever they want. Yes, specually, you guys know,
Speaker 3: I'm on the I'm on the road a lot. Knowing
Speaker 3: people who play Pokemon go if they're if they're traveling, uh,
Speaker 3: they can actually end up getting Now I'm not fully
Speaker 3: sure about the details of this because I don't participate
Speaker 3: as a player in this game. They can depending on
Speaker 3: their point of origin, they can get different incentives to
Speaker 3: travel different places that a local might not receive. Well, yeah,
Speaker 3: and let me just give you this really quick.
Speaker 4: But I mentioned the Jelopnik article and the headlines by
Speaker 4: Bradley Brown. Now he says it very very succinctly by
Speaker 4: strategically placing poke stops and Pokemon gyms, because the poke stops,
Speaker 4: if I'm I'm saying, that's where you'd have to go
Speaker 4: to get more stuff, to get more poke balls to
Speaker 4: get you get them for free. After the stop replenished
Speaker 4: after a period of time, you would then go there again,
Speaker 4: click on it and it would spin around a little
Speaker 4: coin thing and you'd get random gear loot drops basically,
Speaker 4: so I'm sorry to finish. By strategically placing poke stops
Speaker 4: and Pokemon gyms, the gyms being where you'd go to
Speaker 4: fight other Pokemon. The company was able to grab images
Speaker 4: and scans of locations that even Google doesn't have street
Speaker 4: view images of Wow.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So think about your Google Maps car that maybe
Speaker 2: many of us have seen, kind of like the Waymo car.
Speaker 2: It is on a track, right, it's it's a series
Speaker 2: of basically a giant three sixty series of cameras and
Speaker 2: it's on that track. It can see everything that is
Speaker 2: along that track. What they were able to do is
Speaker 2: take all the cameras off the track, including into your backyard.
Speaker 4: Yes, in your living room, dude, these things would appear
Speaker 4: in you on your couch. Sorry.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah.
Speaker 2: But one of the things that they're pointing out here
Speaker 2: in their tracking data, which is again gotta say something
Speaker 2: we pointed out in twenty sixteen twenty seventeen when we
Speaker 2: talked about this. They are able to get not just
Speaker 2: in the front of that church that's along the road
Speaker 2: they are they can get on the side of it,
Speaker 2: in the back of the church because hey, there's a
Speaker 2: Pikachu back there. They can now get in like literally
Speaker 2: your backyard, in your sideyard, and have a three D
Speaker 2: imaged version of all of that stuff. Google car can't
Speaker 2: come into your living room. Google car can't drive into
Speaker 2: your backyard, but it's your property.
Speaker 3: You're there.
Speaker 4: I would play it sometimes literally in my own home,
Speaker 4: so it probably is trying. I mean, it's got a
Speaker 4: three hundred and sixty degree three D map of my house.
Speaker 4: It knows where you poop, no question about it.
Speaker 3: This other part two, I appreciate the point about getting
Speaker 3: off of the road right or getting away from Like,
Speaker 3: satellites are terribly clever invention, but they can't get everything.
Speaker 3: So this is tremendously valuable data, especially if you can
Speaker 3: incentivize to incentivize a user to go to a place
Speaker 3: like a you know, a part of East Asia, right,
Speaker 3: just say Tokyo for an example, that has a ton
Speaker 3: of side streets where you couldn't get that conventional Google
Speaker 3: Map car. You might have somebody with that big nerdy
Speaker 3: backpack and have them walking around Kapakichi or whatever. But
Speaker 3: then extend that later, gentlemen, like as Homer Simpson says
Speaker 3: in Bigging it to perhaps some areas of the Middle
Speaker 3: East where you might have the same issue getting that
Speaker 3: heavy equipment over and keeping it safe in a place
Speaker 3: where automobile accidents happened. So now you've just got a
Speaker 3: bunch of people on their phones. Hey, US military or
Speaker 3: anybody who has the scratch this is how you get
Speaker 3: around the side streets in Basra or we're.
Speaker 4: Gonn get to that aspect in just a second, but
Speaker 4: I do just want to add to that point when
Speaker 4: you're absolutely right. Another great quote here. This is a
Speaker 4: statement from Neantik itself basically coppying to everything we're talking
Speaker 4: about and say, what what would you think we were doing?
Speaker 4: Over the past five years, Niantic is focused on building
Speaker 4: our visual positioning system, which uses a single image from
Speaker 4: a phone to determine its position and orientation using a
Speaker 4: three D map built from people scanning interesting locations in
Speaker 4: our games and scan averse.
Speaker 3: I just love it's built from people.
Speaker 4: It's from people. It reminds me of that thing in
Speaker 4: Batman and I believe it was the Dark Night, or
Speaker 4: maybe it was the original one. Everyone's phone was. They
Speaker 4: hacked everyone's phone, reverse engineered them, like it was a
Speaker 4: power that no one should have. That was the whole
Speaker 4: big thing about it that Lucius Fox said, like, how
Speaker 4: can once we do this, we can't ever go back?
Speaker 4: Turn everyone's phone into a listening device so they could
Speaker 4: find and a three D mapping device so they could
Speaker 4: find That's right, so they could find the batty. One
Speaker 4: thing I have noticed recently too that other mapping apps
Speaker 4: are doing, like Google Maps and Apple Maps, is you
Speaker 4: can get more precision in city locations where the GPS
Speaker 4: kind of gets a little wonky by using this live
Speaker 4: view and scanning around and it'll it'll capture the buildings
Speaker 4: and it will then give you an ar augmented reality
Speaker 4: overlay of an arrow pointing you in the right direction.
Speaker 3: That is what this is.
Speaker 4: These guys have just been doing it longer.
Speaker 3: I would argue New York once.
Speaker 4: Well, and I know that it's effie, you know, I
Speaker 4: get it, But it's also very convenient and it really
Speaker 4: does work better. But that information that when we do that,
Speaker 4: we are contributing to the ecosystem of all of this.
Speaker 4: And there's so much more we could talk about here,
Speaker 4: but I do just want to mention what you said
Speaker 4: bet the military aspect of this in a I believe
Speaker 4: a presentation that was recently captured.
Speaker 3: I believe it broke or it was leaked in some way.
Speaker 4: Four h four Media covered this a presentation by Brian McClendon,
Speaker 4: the Anti Senior vice president of Engineering, again also formerly
Speaker 4: part of Google, the co creator of Google Earth, street
Speaker 4: View and Google Maps essentially did a presentation called Coordinates
Speaker 4: of Tomorrow Why spatial computing needs a new map, And
Speaker 4: this happened earlier this month. This article came out just
Speaker 4: of just like literally two days ago, today being November
Speaker 4: the twenty seventh, and that said, I'm just gonna read
Speaker 4: from this piece on bleedingcool dot com. During the Q
Speaker 4: and A portion, a comment came from Bellingcat's open source
Speaker 4: analyst and former British Army officer Nick Waters, saying that
Speaker 4: LGM large geospatial models would be unbelievably useful to the
Speaker 4: military and asked if it was foreseeable for governments and
Speaker 4: militaries to purchase the information from Nantick, Ben, that is
Speaker 4: what you were describing, like, how do we find these
Speaker 4: secret path paths through these back alleys in places where
Speaker 4: we don't have that kind of satellite capability. People play
Speaker 4: Pokemon Go all over the world. It's super popular in Asia,
Speaker 4: and I don't know exactly how it ports over to
Speaker 4: the Middle East or some of the other countries we're
Speaker 4: talking about, but I haven't heard of it being banned outright.
Speaker 3: Imagine this spin it out? Okay, this is just the
Speaker 3: thought experiment that I think our heads are going the
Speaker 3: same place here. Cast aside the general unhelpful stereotypes about
Speaker 3: who would or who would not play this sort of
Speaker 3: mobile game, let's remember that there might be people in
Speaker 3: secure areas who, for one reason or another, and board
Speaker 3: because their job is just to push that red button
Speaker 3: in a worst case scenario, and now they're looking for
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 2: Document, Ben, that's brilliant and terrifying.
Speaker 5: Dude.
Speaker 4: You're absolutely right, somebody breaking the rules, obviously breaking the
Speaker 4: rules with their own personal device that maybe they got
Speaker 4: slipped through whatever. I know there are clearances, and then
Speaker 4: you know, these things are not supposed to happen, but
Speaker 4: I can see it happening, dude.
Speaker 2: So the first image I got in my head when
Speaker 2: you were talking about that, Ben, was the Pentagon. Right,
Speaker 2: somebody just like accidentally mapping the entirety of the Pentagon.
Speaker 2: But I think it could be. I think you're right.
Speaker 2: I think it's like critical infrastructure on a more local scale,
Speaker 2: So like those water treatment plants that we've always said
Speaker 2: were super vulnerable, or the.
Speaker 4: Data centers whatever.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, Further, even if the security is up to
Speaker 3: snuff in some of those more sensitive locations. Imagine if
Speaker 3: you're looking at a foreign power, right and you're officially
Speaker 3: front of me's or whatever, but you know the water's boiling,
Speaker 3: there might be some shit going sideways on the horizon. Well,
Speaker 3: you don't need to have someone foolish enough to use
Speaker 3: a personal device in that secure area. You can map
Speaker 3: it by the absence of coverage. So what if everybody
Speaker 3: is to create a whole game until they get to
Speaker 3: this one part? Now, why is there a hole? Let's
Speaker 3: send a satellite or it's like, hey, there's a.
Speaker 4: Wild war total in the war room.
Speaker 2: You know, dude, I mean that's how you find those
Speaker 2: secret buildings you guys covered. Uh, it's exactly what it is,
Speaker 2: like everybody, there's a poke stop somewhere, and we noticed
Speaker 2: that some users go into every single one of these
Speaker 2: rowhouses except for.
Speaker 4: This one because the game rewards you with that kind
Speaker 4: of fastidious obsessive like mapping. That's literally what it is, man,
Speaker 4: the ude. We maybe should do an episode on some
Speaker 4: of this when information comes out. I think it's time
Speaker 4: to drop this one for now. But really, really great
Speaker 4: points all around, guys. Let's take a quick break here
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Speaker 2: And we're back. Guys, We've got a few updates to
Speaker 2: cover really quickly. Remember our continuing quest to find the
Speaker 2: weirdest stuff drugs have either been smuggled into, shaped into,
Speaker 2: or just we found it paper mache, watermelons.
Speaker 3: I speak, I know where you're going. Maybe I'm excited
Speaker 3: to find out, Matt, because I swear to god I
Speaker 3: almost texted you guys on that group chat where I'm
Speaker 3: texting you way too much.
Speaker 2: Oh well, hey, credit where credit is due. I got
Speaker 2: this via text for my friend AJ and she just said,
Speaker 2: look at this. It is, guys, a four pound garden
Speaker 2: gnome fully shaped, looks like it's three D printed, and
Speaker 2: it is made of ecstasy slash molly slash MDMA.
Speaker 3: Finally, right, I think I speak for all of us.
Speaker 4: Finally, Can I also just say that ecstasy gnome would
Speaker 4: be a sick name for an electro band. Oh yeah, I.
Speaker 3: Feel like I know a guy who goes by that.
Speaker 3: But it's one of these one of those nicknames that
Speaker 3: I don't, you know, I hate when this happens. I
Speaker 3: think it's a nickname that no one uses around him.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he might not even know he has that. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I want to know.
Speaker 2: Dyl So check this out in the Southern Netherlands. By
Speaker 2: the way, this comes to us via BBC. We'll read
Speaker 2: the title so you could find it. Dutch police find
Speaker 2: gnome made of M D M A during drug bust
Speaker 2: and uh so there is there's a lot of suspected
Speaker 2: narcotics in this one area, and hanging out with those
Speaker 2: suspected narcotics is a garden nome. It's got its hands
Speaker 2: over its mouth and it looks like it's going.
Speaker 4: Gee and it's just as high as crap.
Speaker 2: It's probably it's grinding its teeth because it just popped
Speaker 2: its own beam, which is I think a drug slang.
Speaker 2: So it is fully made, like formed of this stuff.
Speaker 2: And I'm just trying to imagine. I guess you have
Speaker 2: to break the whole thing down if you're going to
Speaker 2: process those drugs, you know, as somebody who's going to distribute.
Speaker 4: But I want to say there was a subplot, and
Speaker 4: I think it was maybe the movie Traffic, where there
Speaker 4: was literally a thing formed out of cocaine and then
Speaker 4: you see them using some kind of solvent literally dissolve
Speaker 4: the entire thing down and then reprocess it and make
Speaker 4: it into a paste and what have you dried it?
Speaker 3: And that's based in real world stuff. You can use
Speaker 3: those solvents. I mean, like you set this up earlier,
Speaker 3: you can clearly shape things, whether that be via cocaine,
Speaker 3: like with cocaine as a medium, et cetera. And then
Speaker 3: once you get it over the border then or wherever
Speaker 3: the end destination is, then you can use totally legal
Speaker 3: solvents to derive it into you care you want.
Speaker 2: I just like the idea of somebody with a tiny,
Speaker 2: tiny little chiz and hammer like ding ding ding ding,
Speaker 2: hammer away.
Speaker 3: That's gotta be a lot of MDMA though, right to
Speaker 3: make the garden.
Speaker 2: No, yeah, four pounds of it. I don't know how
Speaker 2: much that is? Two kilograms?
Speaker 3: Uh, I don't know what's the typical dose of MDMA.
Speaker 2: Whatever a bean is, that's all I know. So like
Speaker 2: a pill.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's the pills still, and you know, in the
Speaker 4: nineties it was ecstasy and they were pressed into these
Speaker 4: pills with like pokemon on them or like a Mitsubishi.
Speaker 4: There are all kinds of different ones, Buddha double stack,
Speaker 4: you know, ferraris or whatever the crap. But they were
Speaker 4: cut with all kinds of crazy stuff. Today it seems
Speaker 4: like the term is flipped more towards molly or or
Speaker 4: you know, flip toward Yeah.
Speaker 3: Sure, I think it is.
Speaker 4: MALLI is meant to be a purer form of the
Speaker 4: active ingredient from ecstasy, which is pure MDMA. But I
Speaker 4: don't believe that it's still cut with something man like.
Speaker 4: There's no way they're not. They're just putting that stuff
Speaker 4: out completely unadulttery, and that's not how drug trade works.
Speaker 2: Well, this, this MDMA is cut with a side of magic,
Speaker 2: because this gnome is truly magic and whimsy.
Speaker 3: Yes, I I like how the authorities describe them as
Speaker 3: visibly startled.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, is on his hands over Oh no, I
Speaker 2: can cut me.
Speaker 3: I'm mad drugs. Do we know if there were any.
Speaker 2: Arrest I'm not sure. Probably I'm assuming, but I don't know.
Speaker 4: I know the circumstances in which it was discovered.
Speaker 2: Well, this guy's got to tell you. This BBC article
Speaker 2: is pretty it's pretty short, it's not really robust. Let's
Speaker 2: say it does mention that MDMA is illegal in the Netherlands,
Speaker 2: as it is in many parts of the world. And oh,
Speaker 2: as of twenty nineteen, according to the BBC, the Netherlands
Speaker 2: is among one of the world's leading producers of MDMA.
Speaker 4: Well, the Netherlands is also, like, you know, the place
Speaker 4: where marijuana has been legal for decades.
Speaker 3: They got big freeport vibes. It's the vestiges of their
Speaker 3: maritime empire. I'm looking on a source called Mixed mag
Speaker 3: which I'm not too familiar with, but apparently there.
Speaker 4: Is a techno website. Okay, it's an electronic.
Speaker 3: Music Oh yeah, well good, I trust them as legitimate
Speaker 3: for this. They're saying at a four pound or for
Speaker 3: the rest of the world, two kilogram statue of this
Speaker 3: size is the equivalent of around eight thousand ecstasy pills.
Speaker 3: So at the very least, this is a pretty significant investment, right, which.
Speaker 4: I would guess go for around twenty five bucks a
Speaker 4: pop hill. Yeah, I think so wow.
Speaker 3: That brought my Larry David out. No way, pass us
Speaker 3: dollars pass step down. What do you have for fifteen man?
Speaker 3: Do you have any rhinos statues? We're talking full sized rhinos,
Speaker 3: the good rhinos too. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: It gets hot in those rhinos.
Speaker 5: Guys.
Speaker 2: We're moving on to the next update. This one comes
Speaker 2: to us via the Guardian. We're just hanging out in
Speaker 2: the UK right now. Jolly good guys. What's a franken chicken?
Speaker 2: If you had to describe what a franken chicken is
Speaker 2: or what you think a franken chicken is, it's that
Speaker 2: chicken that is made of nothing but drumsticks. Oh interesting, Yeah, it's.
Speaker 3: A I believe the idea that that's the old like
Speaker 3: back in the days of analog. That's the old food
Speaker 3: conspiracy theory urban legend chickens that were just breasted legs
Speaker 3: with no no heads. I believe they're I believe the
Speaker 3: real version. There's sometimes called broiler chickens. They're the ones
Speaker 3: that are huge victims of the livestock industry. Also, we
Speaker 3: got a nice letter from Peta. Unrelatedly, yes, it was
Speaker 3: very kind.
Speaker 6: Thank you.
Speaker 3: Wes uh and on the same page. But they're I
Speaker 3: think they're very large eugenics practice. They're they're modified to
Speaker 3: grow faster. Is that correct?
Speaker 2: Yes, The way I understand the franken chicken term is
Speaker 2: just as you said, ben used to be one thing.
Speaker 2: Now it is the real chickens that are grown and
Speaker 2: mass so in tight little cages. But think way too
Speaker 2: many chickens per cage and given all kinds of sometimes
Speaker 2: hormones to grow them faster, often antibiotics. Because they're in
Speaker 2: such close quarters, they get sick all the time.
Speaker 3: They can a lot of them can't walk, I believe.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, not enough area to move around often, not
Speaker 2: enough natural light to even have a semblance of existence
Speaker 2: and understanding of where they are in space and time.
Speaker 3: I mean like with body mass, though I think several
Speaker 3: like it's not infrequent for them to physically be incapable
Speaker 3: of walking even with the space.
Speaker 4: Chick exactly at their best are pretty big boys up
Speaker 4: top with little tiny legs. These would probably just atrophy
Speaker 4: to the point of being, you know, completely useless.
Speaker 2: It is a pretty disgusting thing, but it is an
Speaker 2: evolution based on a necessity for the amount of chicken
Speaker 2: that is sold to every thing of every grocery store,
Speaker 2: every place that sells chicken, and the fast food joined
Speaker 2: every other place that sells chicken, and so each one
Speaker 2: of these individual restaurants and chains has to source their
Speaker 2: chicken from somewhere. This story is about sourcing of chickens.
Speaker 2: Back in twenty nineteen, KFC Kentucky Fried Chicken or just
Speaker 2: KFC specifically in the United Kingdom made a pledge, Hey,
Speaker 2: by twenty twenty six, we are going to stop using
Speaker 2: these types of chickens. We are going to source our
Speaker 2: chickens from places that have enough space to move around,
Speaker 2: that have natural light, that have all of these things
Speaker 2: basically the way you would want a chicken to live.
Speaker 2: Even if that chicken from the moment of birth is
Speaker 2: going to be killed and eaten, that chicken is going
Speaker 2: to have a better life right now. That doesn't mean
Speaker 2: it's a good thing for that chicken necessarily, right, But
Speaker 2: it does mean if human beings are going to be
Speaker 2: eating chicken, at least the people who make those chickens
Speaker 2: into food can treat them well.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: Kind of an awesome move. KFC got a lot of accolades,
Speaker 2: or at least a lot of tips of the hat like, hey,
Speaker 2: good on you for at least treating the chickens while
Speaker 2: or pledging to do it. But they just came out
Speaker 2: and said, hey, everybody, there is just no way that
Speaker 2: we can meet this stuff. Because of the demand for
Speaker 2: chicken and the amount of chicken that's being produced and
Speaker 2: the type of producers that are out there, we cannot
Speaker 2: source enough chicken.
Speaker 3: Like even if we raised the prices right the people
Speaker 3: the past, what people are willing to pay, even if
Speaker 3: we satisfied every other variable and obstacle, the supply chain
Speaker 3: itself is already so dependent upon this pattern that there's
Speaker 3: no way to alter it. You'd have to kind of
Speaker 3: build out a new chain of chicken chain.
Speaker 4: Yep.
Speaker 2: They they were gonna get slower growing breaths. They were gonna,
Speaker 2: you know, have chickens that lived in light where they
Speaker 2: can move around. And they just said, no, we can't
Speaker 2: do We have to buy We have to buy chicken.
Speaker 2: So sorry, it's just kind of awful.
Speaker 4: And then that foresee these potential roadblocks, like people want chicken.
Speaker 4: People aren't gonna stop wanting chicken. You made a pledge,
Speaker 4: but that's why.
Speaker 2: In twenty nineteen. It was a pledge rather than a
Speaker 2: here is what we're doing next year or something like that. Right,
Speaker 2: hopefully the stars will align or you know, the circumstances
Speaker 2: will change such that we can meet these goals. It
Speaker 2: just looks like they didn't.
Speaker 4: It's declaration of intent, like a rose colored glasses pr
Speaker 4: move more than anything.
Speaker 3: I mean, did they did? When did they know the facts?
Speaker 3: The sad reality is they see it right about the
Speaker 3: economics of scale and the chickens. Versus to your question, no,
Speaker 3: when did they decide, oh, we'll hold off a second
Speaker 3: and just let this good pr wash over us.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, here's a quote from Ruth Edge e Edge. She
Speaker 2: is the head of sustainability at KFC UK and Ireland.
Speaker 2: She was talking to the Egg and Poultry Industry Conference,
Speaker 2: or at the Egg and Poultry Industry Conference in Wales
Speaker 2: and this is actually as of last well maybe a
Speaker 2: week and a half ago as we're recording this. She said, quote,
Speaker 2: we're not saying we're never going to but we're saying
Speaker 2: for twenty twenty six and the way the market has
Speaker 2: developed or lack of, we're not going to be able
Speaker 2: to do it.
Speaker 4: I guess I just don't fully understand what these unforeseen
Speaker 4: market forces were. It just seems like it's business as usual,
Speaker 4: Like what is the big surprise.
Speaker 2: I'll give you just more from this VBC article we
Speaker 2: mentioned at the top. KFC says there's an inadequate supply
Speaker 2: to meet the commitment because farmers are not switching in
Speaker 2: big enough numbers to slower growing.
Speaker 3: Breeds, probably because they can't afford to.
Speaker 2: To be honest, yes, yes, according to KFC, they're working
Speaker 2: to source chickens from farms with quote lower stocking densities,
Speaker 2: but they're just having issues. They're not finding enough basically
Speaker 2: chicken growers, which is kind of a weird thing to
Speaker 2: think about, who are switching to the practices that they
Speaker 2: want to switch to because there's just literally not enough chicken.
Speaker 4: Okay, well, I get it. I guess that makes sense.
Speaker 4: I just don't know how they thought that things were
Speaker 4: going to be so much different.
Speaker 3: It's a weird one because it's again it's economy of scale.
Speaker 3: And it's also interesting that this is a UK specific
Speaker 3: situation right now for them, because I wonder, you know,
Speaker 3: and this is very tangentially related, but I wonder if
Speaker 3: the scope of this has anything to do with the
Speaker 3: EU Brexit situation, if there are maybe laws in the
Speaker 3: EU that are different or more amenable to this kind
Speaker 3: of pledge or appearance of a pledge, or.
Speaker 4: If economic hardships brought on by Brexit led to a
Speaker 4: slow down, and what maybe was seeming to be.
Speaker 3: In the in the car it chicken industry is so
Speaker 3: crazy too, Like there's this whole middle passage for chickens
Speaker 3: grown in the US getting taken over to China for
Speaker 3: processing sent back to the US, that some parts of
Speaker 3: that chicken are also re sold over the Pacific.
Speaker 4: Where the laws allow right where Like, yeah.
Speaker 3: It's bigger than the I know the British hate to
Speaker 3: hear it, but it's bigger than England.
Speaker 2: Let's do a big chicken episode. I think, have we
Speaker 2: not know we've had a livestock, livestock, but let's do
Speaker 2: like just chicken.
Speaker 3: Sure, so yeah, big chickens.
Speaker 2: And I got one last thing, well, two last things
Speaker 2: to mention that we're not going to actually cover today.
Speaker 2: The first one is a missing person's case. Hannah Kobayashi.
Speaker 2: This is somebody that again I think we need a
Speaker 2: full episode on. This is somebody who went missing on well,
Speaker 2: she didn't go missing on November eighth, but it's the
Speaker 2: story of her going missing when she flew from Hawaii
Speaker 2: to Los Angeles began on November eighth of this year.
Speaker 2: And there's a bunch of twists and turns that are
Speaker 2: happening right now, specifically stuff that happened with her father
Speaker 2: pretty recently. It's very strange and I think it's worth
Speaker 2: our time. We just we won't have enough time to
Speaker 2: cover in one of these episodes. But yeah, definitely look
Speaker 2: up Hannah Kobyashi if you have time, and you can
Speaker 2: also look up Ryan Kobyashi, who is Hannah's father who
Speaker 2: recently passed away as well. So missing person and then
Speaker 2: father missing person who was looking for her passed away.
Speaker 2: Very sad messed up, but it seems like a human
Speaker 2: trafficking situation, so something at least to keep her eye on.
Speaker 2: Last thing to mention is the DEA has decided to
Speaker 2: stop doing that whole civil asset forfeiture thing at airports
Speaker 2: where they quote randomly search people.
Speaker 3: And shack your stuff check out in English exactly. And
Speaker 3: a big part of that, by the way, is all
Speaker 3: the all the successful legal proceedings, yes that have taken place,
Speaker 3: but civil asset forfeiture still applies to other agencies and
Speaker 3: other situations. Folks, be careful.
Speaker 4: Can I just say I've been really enjoying this TV
Speaker 4: series on Peacock called Lions that is about a CIA
Speaker 4: program of betting women in with like basically the close
Speaker 4: relatives or girlfriends or wives of terrorists targets. But one
Speaker 4: thing that I thought was really interesting in an episode,
Speaker 4: there's a part where they have a joint operation with
Speaker 4: the DEA, and it feels like it's a show that
Speaker 4: has a lot of research behind it, but it really
Speaker 4: shows how certain agencies are not created equal in terms
Speaker 4: of the resources they get, and the DEA does not
Speaker 4: have the level of resources as say.
Speaker 3: The CIA or even the FBI. Wow.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And the way they show it in the episode
Speaker 4: that I'm talking about is really stark and fascinating.
Speaker 3: Atf is in a similar situation to what you're describing. Also,
Speaker 3: I would say, in addition to unequal resources, some have
Speaker 3: more flexibility in their rules than others, or at least
Speaker 3: have historically.
Speaker 4: Wasn't it some agency couldn't recently like justify where a
Speaker 4: gazillion dollars went, and they.
Speaker 3: Are like a Pentagon every year.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but there was a specific story happen. I wish
Speaker 4: I had better memory of which agency this was, but
Speaker 4: it was a big headline of a certain amount of
Speaker 4: money and discretionary funds, which basically is up to supervisors
Speaker 4: to determine where it goes. That they couldn't justify or
Speaker 4: couldn't exactly say where it went. And that's not that
Speaker 4: big a deal in some situations.
Speaker 3: Oh gosh, looks like the Pentagon is set to again
Speaker 3: fail its annual audit.
Speaker 4: That's what it was, Thank you, Ben, That's what it was. Yep,
Speaker 4: as simple as that. But again, not big news in general.
Speaker 4: No one's gonna get in trouble exactly. It's just a
Speaker 4: pass the buck kind of situation. And these discretionary budgets
Speaker 4: are a very real thing.
Speaker 3: Well, I gotta say again, attempting to keep things positive,
Speaker 3: the Pentagon is setting a track record for the largest
Speaker 3: entity of its type to repeatedly fail its annual audit.
Speaker 3: Oh shit, they've got their numbers up there.
Speaker 2: Yes, and I found a story from a month ago. Guys.
Speaker 2: This is from New York Posts, So okay, whatever, but
Speaker 2: here's the title, World Bank Bureaucrats lost track of at
Speaker 2: least twenty four billion dollars in funds fighting climate change.
Speaker 2: And here's a quote from one of the officials. It
Speaker 2: could be twice or ten times more.
Speaker 4: When you say fighting climate change, do you mean fighting
Speaker 4: the concept of climate change?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Okay, they were just bought. They put on
Speaker 2: like gloves and they were just fighting the concept.
Speaker 3: No, no, no, no no no.
Speaker 4: Truly though, is this like anti climate change propaganda or
Speaker 4: are they literally attempting to combat the effects of climate change?
Speaker 4: And just that that headline is vague.
Speaker 3: It lends to check out our episode on greenwashing. It
Speaker 3: lends to that idea with somebody laundry money. Were they
Speaker 3: funding initiatives or inngos? Look, it's hard to it's hard
Speaker 3: to rock with most individuals because most individuals technically are
Speaker 3: not billionaires, but a lot of money goes through the
Speaker 3: cracks every year. If you go to American Military News
Speaker 3: for a comp here, you can see that just a
Speaker 3: few days ago the Pentagon failed its seventh in a
Speaker 3: row and they cannot account for eight hundred and twenty
Speaker 3: four billion dollars.
Speaker 4: Bro you mentioned refly the Macy's thing. Some employee, an
Speaker 4: individual managed to conceal one hundred and fifteen roughly million dollars,
Speaker 4: and it didn't affect them paying any of their suppliers,
Speaker 4: because you know, that was just a drop in the
Speaker 4: bucket of their billions of dollars and it's just it
Speaker 4: just disappeared.
Speaker 3: One hundred and fifty four million dollars.
Speaker 4: Geez.
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