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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: learn this stuff they don't want you to know. A

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Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt,

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Speaker 2: my name is Noah.

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Speaker 3: They call me Bed. We're joined as always with our

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Speaker 3: super producer Dylan the Tennessee pal Fagan. Most importantly, you

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Speaker 3: are here. That makes this the stuff they don't want

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Speaker 3: you to know. If you're listening to this the evening

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Speaker 3: it comes out, Welcome to December, Monday, December second, the

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Speaker 3: last month of twenty twenty four. The calendar may stop

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Speaker 3: pretty soon, but the news does not. We just credit

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Speaker 3: where it's due. Dylan is so awesome, you guys. As

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Speaker 3: we were get ready to record our strange news segment,

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Speaker 3: Dylan said, Hey, did you guys see that news about

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Speaker 3: dB Cooper? And I think we all immediately went, what, I.

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Speaker 4: Don't know anything about this. Oh my gosh, tell me

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Speaker 4: more again.

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Speaker 3: Gretit to Dylla. But we've learned this just came out

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Speaker 3: pretty recently this week, I think just yesterday. It's a

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Speaker 3: new lead on the dB Cooper case, the only unsolved

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Speaker 3: skyjacking in American history. But it's maybe a lead because

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Speaker 3: it appears that the children of a guy named Richard McCoy,

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Speaker 3: the second a convicted skyjacker, have been hiding a modified

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Speaker 3: parachute for years, and this modified parachute maybe similar to

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Speaker 3: the type authorities believe dB Cooper used in his nineteen

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Speaker 3: seventy one skyjacking. I'm pulling a lot of this from

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Speaker 3: our pals at Interesting Engineering Capill Kajal.

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Speaker 4: What does a modified parachute consist of?

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Speaker 3: Unclear at this point. We need to do a little

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Speaker 3: bit more digging. This is probably one of those do

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Speaker 3: the reddit kind of situations, but probably the modification for

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Speaker 3: the harness, I would imagine. I'm just guessing here.

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Speaker 4: What does it mean? Ben? Is this guy potentially the

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Speaker 4: mysterious dB Cooper or just related, perhaps a co conspirator.

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Speaker 3: Perhaps? You know, skyjacking is not a typical run of

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Speaker 3: the mill crime. Thankfully, the FBI says they do know

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Speaker 3: a little bit more about the parachute modification because they

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Speaker 3: know the guy who modified parachutes, a guy named Earl

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Speaker 3: when he was murdered.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and this particular thing was found by this dude

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Speaker 2: named Dan Grider who's a YouTuber right, and he found

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Speaker 2: it two years ago in a North Carolina property that

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Speaker 2: used to be owned by this other person, Richard McCoy

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Speaker 2: the second, who is he is a known skyheister, convicted skyjacker,

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Speaker 2: and he ended up dying in nineteen seventy four. But

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Speaker 2: just the fact that this parachute was found on property

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Speaker 2: maybe this dude McCoy was the real McCoy the Well,

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Speaker 2: so maybe the need for modifying a parachute for a

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Speaker 2: skyjacking have to do with the ability to like carry

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Speaker 3: You know. I just wonder it could be carrying more stuff,

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Speaker 3: that's a great idea. It could be possibly making it

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Speaker 3: less conspicuous if you carry it off you on a plane.

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Speaker 4: To smuggle in so nobody knows that you've got a

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Speaker 3: I'm sure we'll find the answers there. We just we

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Speaker 3: a breaking news sound cue. Great. Uh, there's another thing

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Speaker 3: I think Matt, you want to talk about before we

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Speaker 3: before we really dive in here. We've said it in

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Speaker 3: the past, the there is a tragic and inspiring world

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Speaker 3: record that has has a pretty high turnaround.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, So back in April of this year, the

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Speaker 2: oldest man was Juan Vincente Perez. He was one hundred

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Speaker 2: that's true, it's true. Nice work, mister Perez. Then it

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Speaker 3: Right because they're still searching, and unfortunately, in this particular

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Speaker 3: who is currently one hundred and sixteen years old. Miss Atoka.

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Speaker 3: We wish you the best. What a life, What stories

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Speaker 2: All right? What do you say we get to the news, guys.

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Speaker 4: Oh man, we should.

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Speaker 3: We'll be back after word from our sponsors, and we

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Speaker 3: have returned. Been holding on to a lot of disturbing

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Speaker 3: espionage news, particularly in the world of cyber attacks and

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Speaker 3: be something we get to if we have time. First

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Speaker 3: I'm sure we all saw the news. There's some excellent

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Speaker 3: crashed near the Venilius airport in Lithuania. The investigators are

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Speaker 3: currently looking into it. But one thing that made this

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Speaker 3: in volatile times. The plane itself, swift Air Flight five

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Speaker 3: It was operated by Swift Air on behalf of the

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Speaker 3: mystery crash that killed one person. Now, this is a

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Speaker 3: great article because it gives you the timeline the primer

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Speaker 3: quote unquote any unnamed Russian intelligence agency may have been

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Speaker 4: Is is it like consumer facing or is this more

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Speaker 3: They do express mail, they do package delivery with the

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Speaker 3: So if you were trying to disrupt or test run

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Speaker 3: why would you, if you were an intelligence agency, why

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Speaker 4: the same type of plane that would be before, you know,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and yes and no. Right, it is a whole

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Speaker 4: obviously there was some additional crew. I'm just wondering about

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Speaker 3: Like that's really it's a great question because typically, I mean,

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Speaker 3: we're looking into it. Apparently they had an incendiary device

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Speaker 2: Okay, So I want to go back to the question

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Speaker 2: you asked Ben where like why would they do this?

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Speaker 5: Right?

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Speaker 2: What's the goal for doing this stuff? So in my mind,

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Speaker 2: I'm only seeing two scenarios, and maybe I'm wrong, So

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Speaker 2: tell me what you think. The first one is to

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Speaker 2: disrupt specific shipments, So get your shipments with the firebomb

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Speaker 2: things onto other DHL shipments that they know have strategic

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Speaker 2: either weapons or you know, like aid supplies or food

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Speaker 2: or something that one of these courier services is sending

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Speaker 2: to like a war zone, right sure.

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Speaker 2: The second would be to somehow disrupt operations at a

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Speaker 4: And we've returned after a pretty spirited conversation off air

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Speaker 3: Remember specifically a couple of times with Pokemon Go Noel

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Speaker 4: I remember there was a snorlax on your shoulder and

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Speaker 4: than having to have a some sort of unmanned vehicle

437
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Speaker 4: or a Google street View car driving around constantly scanning

438
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Speaker 4: and photographing and mapping spatially all of the different streets,

439
00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:15,920
Speaker 4: you've got human beings which are much more nimble, able

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Speaker 4: to get into much tighter places. And when you combine

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00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:21,840
Speaker 4: all of that into this massive neural network, you get

442
00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:27,440
Speaker 4: really good information about about data points related to mapping

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Speaker 4: the best walking distance because when you would put it

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Speaker 4: in I remember, haven't played it in a long time,

445
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Speaker 4: you would kind of get walking directions on the thing

446
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Speaker 4: to get to the point that you were seeking this pokemon.

447
00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:41,680
Speaker 4: They would be like, oh, you so and so a

448
00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:44,760
Speaker 4: rare snorlax was found near you, and then it would

449
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Speaker 4: map you there.

450
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Speaker 3: And further, you're incentivized to go to very specific places.

451
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Speaker 4: They're telling you they.

452
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Speaker 3: Can put it wherever they want. Yes, specually, you guys know,

453
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Speaker 3: I'm on the I'm on the road a lot. Knowing

454
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Speaker 3: people who play Pokemon go if they're if they're traveling, uh,

455
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Speaker 3: they can actually end up getting Now I'm not fully

456
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Speaker 3: sure about the details of this because I don't participate

457
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Speaker 3: as a player in this game. They can depending on

458
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Speaker 3: their point of origin, they can get different incentives to

459
00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:17,920
Speaker 3: travel different places that a local might not receive. Well, yeah,

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Speaker 3: and let me just give you this really quick.

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Speaker 4: But I mentioned the Jelopnik article and the headlines by

462
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Speaker 4: Bradley Brown. Now he says it very very succinctly by

463
00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:30,960
Speaker 4: strategically placing poke stops and Pokemon gyms, because the poke stops,

464
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Speaker 4: if I'm I'm saying, that's where you'd have to go

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Speaker 4: to get more stuff, to get more poke balls to

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Speaker 4: get you get them for free. After the stop replenished

467
00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:41,560
Speaker 4: after a period of time, you would then go there again,

468
00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:44,000
Speaker 4: click on it and it would spin around a little

469
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Speaker 4: coin thing and you'd get random gear loot drops basically,

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Speaker 4: so I'm sorry to finish. By strategically placing poke stops

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Speaker 4: and Pokemon gyms, the gyms being where you'd go to

472
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Speaker 4: fight other Pokemon. The company was able to grab images

473
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Speaker 4: and scans of locations that even Google doesn't have street

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Speaker 4: view images of Wow.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So think about your Google Maps car that maybe

476
00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:08,840
Speaker 2: many of us have seen, kind of like the Waymo car.

477
00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:12,679
Speaker 2: It is on a track, right, it's it's a series

478
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Speaker 2: of basically a giant three sixty series of cameras and

479
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Speaker 2: it's on that track. It can see everything that is

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Speaker 2: along that track. What they were able to do is

481
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Speaker 2: take all the cameras off the track, including into your backyard.

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Speaker 4: Yes, in your living room, dude, these things would appear

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Speaker 4: in you on your couch. Sorry.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah.

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Speaker 2: But one of the things that they're pointing out here

486
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Speaker 2: in their tracking data, which is again gotta say something

487
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:40,560
Speaker 2: we pointed out in twenty sixteen twenty seventeen when we

488
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Speaker 2: talked about this. They are able to get not just

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Speaker 2: in the front of that church that's along the road

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Speaker 2: they are they can get on the side of it,

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Speaker 2: in the back of the church because hey, there's a

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Speaker 2: Pikachu back there. They can now get in like literally

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Speaker 2: your backyard, in your sideyard, and have a three D

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Speaker 2: imaged version of all of that stuff. Google car can't

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Speaker 2: come into your living room. Google car can't drive into

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Speaker 2: your backyard, but it's your property.

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Speaker 3: You're there.

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Speaker 4: I would play it sometimes literally in my own home,

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Speaker 4: so it probably is trying. I mean, it's got a

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Speaker 4: three hundred and sixty degree three D map of my house.

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00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:19,600
Speaker 4: It knows where you poop, no question about it.

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Speaker 3: This other part two, I appreciate the point about getting

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Speaker 3: off of the road right or getting away from Like,

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Speaker 3: satellites are terribly clever invention, but they can't get everything.

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Speaker 3: So this is tremendously valuable data, especially if you can

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Speaker 3: incentivize to incentivize a user to go to a place

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Speaker 3: like a you know, a part of East Asia, right,

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Speaker 3: just say Tokyo for an example, that has a ton

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Speaker 3: of side streets where you couldn't get that conventional Google

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Speaker 3: Map car. You might have somebody with that big nerdy

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Speaker 3: backpack and have them walking around Kapakichi or whatever. But

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Speaker 3: then extend that later, gentlemen, like as Homer Simpson says

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Speaker 3: in Bigging it to perhaps some areas of the Middle

514
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Speaker 3: East where you might have the same issue getting that

515
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Speaker 3: heavy equipment over and keeping it safe in a place

516
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Speaker 3: where automobile accidents happened. So now you've just got a

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Speaker 3: bunch of people on their phones. Hey, US military or

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Speaker 3: anybody who has the scratch this is how you get

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Speaker 3: around the side streets in Basra or we're.

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Speaker 4: Gonn get to that aspect in just a second, but

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Speaker 4: I do just want to add to that point when

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Speaker 4: you're absolutely right. Another great quote here. This is a

523
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Speaker 4: statement from Neantik itself basically coppying to everything we're talking

524
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Speaker 4: about and say, what what would you think we were doing?

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Speaker 4: Over the past five years, Niantic is focused on building

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Speaker 4: our visual positioning system, which uses a single image from

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Speaker 4: a phone to determine its position and orientation using a

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Speaker 4: three D map built from people scanning interesting locations in

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Speaker 4: our games and scan averse.

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Speaker 3: I just love it's built from people.

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Speaker 4: It's from people. It reminds me of that thing in

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Speaker 4: Batman and I believe it was the Dark Night, or

533
00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:03,520
Speaker 4: maybe it was the original one. Everyone's phone was. They

534
00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:06,840
Speaker 4: hacked everyone's phone, reverse engineered them, like it was a

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00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:08,520
Speaker 4: power that no one should have. That was the whole

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Speaker 4: big thing about it that Lucius Fox said, like, how

537
00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:14,200
Speaker 4: can once we do this, we can't ever go back?

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00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:16,520
Speaker 4: Turn everyone's phone into a listening device so they could

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Speaker 4: find and a three D mapping device so they could

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Speaker 4: find That's right, so they could find the batty. One

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Speaker 4: thing I have noticed recently too that other mapping apps

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00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:29,960
Speaker 4: are doing, like Google Maps and Apple Maps, is you

543
00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:34,920
Speaker 4: can get more precision in city locations where the GPS

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00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:38,200
Speaker 4: kind of gets a little wonky by using this live

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00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:42,240
Speaker 4: view and scanning around and it'll it'll capture the buildings

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00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:45,560
Speaker 4: and it will then give you an ar augmented reality

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00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:48,160
Speaker 4: overlay of an arrow pointing you in the right direction.

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Speaker 3: That is what this is.

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00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:51,400
Speaker 4: These guys have just been doing it longer.

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Speaker 3: I would argue New York once.

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00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:56,720
Speaker 4: Well, and I know that it's effie, you know, I

552
00:31:57,000 --> 00:31:59,480
Speaker 4: get it, But it's also very convenient and it really

553
00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:02,320
Speaker 4: does work better. But that information that when we do that,

554
00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:06,520
Speaker 4: we are contributing to the ecosystem of all of this.

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00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:09,000
Speaker 4: And there's so much more we could talk about here,

556
00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:11,240
Speaker 4: but I do just want to mention what you said

557
00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:15,600
Speaker 4: bet the military aspect of this in a I believe

558
00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:19,000
Speaker 4: a presentation that was recently captured.

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Speaker 3: I believe it broke or it was leaked in some way.

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Speaker 4: Four h four Media covered this a presentation by Brian McClendon,

561
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Speaker 4: the Anti Senior vice president of Engineering, again also formerly

562
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Speaker 4: part of Google, the co creator of Google Earth, street

563
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Speaker 4: View and Google Maps essentially did a presentation called Coordinates

564
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Speaker 4: of Tomorrow Why spatial computing needs a new map, And

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Speaker 4: this happened earlier this month. This article came out just

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Speaker 4: of just like literally two days ago, today being November

567
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Speaker 4: the twenty seventh, and that said, I'm just gonna read

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Speaker 4: from this piece on bleedingcool dot com. During the Q

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Speaker 4: and A portion, a comment came from Bellingcat's open source

570
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Speaker 4: analyst and former British Army officer Nick Waters, saying that

571
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Speaker 4: LGM large geospatial models would be unbelievably useful to the

572
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Speaker 4: military and asked if it was foreseeable for governments and

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Speaker 4: militaries to purchase the information from Nantick, Ben, that is

574
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Speaker 4: what you were describing, like, how do we find these

575
00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:22,280
Speaker 4: secret path paths through these back alleys in places where

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00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:25,400
Speaker 4: we don't have that kind of satellite capability. People play

577
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:29,320
Speaker 4: Pokemon Go all over the world. It's super popular in Asia,

578
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:32,200
Speaker 4: and I don't know exactly how it ports over to

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Speaker 4: the Middle East or some of the other countries we're

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00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:38,000
Speaker 4: talking about, but I haven't heard of it being banned outright.

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Speaker 3: Imagine this spin it out? Okay, this is just the

582
00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:43,760
Speaker 3: thought experiment that I think our heads are going the

583
00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:50,280
Speaker 3: same place here. Cast aside the general unhelpful stereotypes about

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Speaker 3: who would or who would not play this sort of

585
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:55,600
Speaker 3: mobile game, let's remember that there might be people in

586
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Speaker 3: secure areas who, for one reason or another, and board

587
00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:03,800
Speaker 3: because their job is just to push that red button

588
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Speaker 3: in a worst case scenario, and now they're looking for

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Speaker 3: you know.

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Speaker 2: Document, Ben, that's brilliant and terrifying.

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Speaker 5: Dude.

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Speaker 4: You're absolutely right, somebody breaking the rules, obviously breaking the

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Speaker 4: rules with their own personal device that maybe they got

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00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:20,000
Speaker 4: slipped through whatever. I know there are clearances, and then

595
00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:21,800
Speaker 4: you know, these things are not supposed to happen, but

596
00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:23,200
Speaker 4: I can see it happening, dude.

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Speaker 2: So the first image I got in my head when

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Speaker 2: you were talking about that, Ben, was the Pentagon. Right,

599
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Speaker 2: somebody just like accidentally mapping the entirety of the Pentagon.

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Speaker 2: But I think it could be. I think you're right.

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Speaker 2: I think it's like critical infrastructure on a more local scale,

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Speaker 2: So like those water treatment plants that we've always said

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Speaker 2: were super vulnerable, or the.

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Speaker 4: Data centers whatever.

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00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:49,440
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, Further, even if the security is up to

606
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:53,239
Speaker 3: snuff in some of those more sensitive locations. Imagine if

607
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:57,280
Speaker 3: you're looking at a foreign power, right and you're officially

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00:34:57,320 --> 00:34:59,840
Speaker 3: front of me's or whatever, but you know the water's boiling,

609
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:03,200
Speaker 3: there might be some shit going sideways on the horizon. Well,

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00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:06,359
Speaker 3: you don't need to have someone foolish enough to use

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Speaker 3: a personal device in that secure area. You can map

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00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:13,319
Speaker 3: it by the absence of coverage. So what if everybody

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Speaker 3: is to create a whole game until they get to

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00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:19,319
Speaker 3: this one part? Now, why is there a hole? Let's

615
00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:21,840
Speaker 3: send a satellite or it's like, hey, there's a.

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Speaker 4: Wild war total in the war room.

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Speaker 2: You know, dude, I mean that's how you find those

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00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:29,719
Speaker 2: secret buildings you guys covered. Uh, it's exactly what it is,

619
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Speaker 2: like everybody, there's a poke stop somewhere, and we noticed

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Speaker 2: that some users go into every single one of these

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Speaker 2: rowhouses except for.

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Speaker 4: This one because the game rewards you with that kind

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Speaker 4: of fastidious obsessive like mapping. That's literally what it is, man,

624
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:50,840
Speaker 4: the ude. We maybe should do an episode on some

625
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:53,600
Speaker 4: of this when information comes out. I think it's time

626
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Speaker 4: to drop this one for now. But really, really great

627
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Speaker 4: points all around, guys. Let's take a quick break here

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Speaker 4: where from our sponsor, Oh and by the way, just

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Speaker 2: And we're back. Guys, We've got a few updates to

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Speaker 2: cover really quickly. Remember our continuing quest to find the

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Speaker 2: weirdest stuff drugs have either been smuggled into, shaped into,

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Speaker 2: or just we found it paper mache, watermelons.

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Speaker 3: I speak, I know where you're going. Maybe I'm excited

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Speaker 3: to find out, Matt, because I swear to god I

642
00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:44,359
Speaker 3: almost texted you guys on that group chat where I'm

643
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:45,239
Speaker 3: texting you way too much.

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Speaker 2: Oh well, hey, credit where credit is due. I got

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Speaker 2: this via text for my friend AJ and she just said,

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Speaker 2: look at this. It is, guys, a four pound garden

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Speaker 2: gnome fully shaped, looks like it's three D printed, and

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Speaker 2: it is made of ecstasy slash molly slash MDMA.

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Speaker 3: Finally, right, I think I speak for all of us.

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Speaker 4: Finally, Can I also just say that ecstasy gnome would

651
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Speaker 4: be a sick name for an electro band. Oh yeah, I.

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Speaker 3: Feel like I know a guy who goes by that.

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Speaker 3: But it's one of these one of those nicknames that

654
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:22,480
Speaker 3: I don't, you know, I hate when this happens. I

655
00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:24,799
Speaker 3: think it's a nickname that no one uses around him.

656
00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:27,839
Speaker 4: Yeah, he might not even know he has that. Yeah,

657
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:28,480
Speaker 4: I want to know.

658
00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:32,400
Speaker 2: Dyl So check this out in the Southern Netherlands. By

659
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:34,839
Speaker 2: the way, this comes to us via BBC. We'll read

660
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:37,200
Speaker 2: the title so you could find it. Dutch police find

661
00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:39,640
Speaker 2: gnome made of M D M A during drug bust

662
00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:43,759
Speaker 2: and uh so there is there's a lot of suspected

663
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:46,640
Speaker 2: narcotics in this one area, and hanging out with those

664
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:50,120
Speaker 2: suspected narcotics is a garden nome. It's got its hands

665
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:52,240
Speaker 2: over its mouth and it looks like it's going.

666
00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:55,120
Speaker 4: Gee and it's just as high as crap.

667
00:37:56,560 --> 00:37:59,280
Speaker 2: It's probably it's grinding its teeth because it just popped

668
00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:03,200
Speaker 2: its own beam, which is I think a drug slang.

669
00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:06,800
Speaker 2: So it is fully made, like formed of this stuff.

670
00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:09,360
Speaker 2: And I'm just trying to imagine. I guess you have

671
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:10,880
Speaker 2: to break the whole thing down if you're going to

672
00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:14,000
Speaker 2: process those drugs, you know, as somebody who's going to distribute.

673
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:16,239
Speaker 4: But I want to say there was a subplot, and

674
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:19,279
Speaker 4: I think it was maybe the movie Traffic, where there

675
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:22,680
Speaker 4: was literally a thing formed out of cocaine and then

676
00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:26,040
Speaker 4: you see them using some kind of solvent literally dissolve

677
00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:29,759
Speaker 4: the entire thing down and then reprocess it and make

678
00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:31,279
Speaker 4: it into a paste and what have you dried it?

679
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:34,120
Speaker 3: And that's based in real world stuff. You can use

680
00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:36,960
Speaker 3: those solvents. I mean, like you set this up earlier,

681
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:42,040
Speaker 3: you can clearly shape things, whether that be via cocaine,

682
00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:45,279
Speaker 3: like with cocaine as a medium, et cetera. And then

683
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:48,400
Speaker 3: once you get it over the border then or wherever

684
00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:52,760
Speaker 3: the end destination is, then you can use totally legal

685
00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:56,319
Speaker 3: solvents to derive it into you care you want.

686
00:38:57,080 --> 00:38:58,840
Speaker 2: I just like the idea of somebody with a tiny,

687
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:02,080
Speaker 2: tiny little chiz and hammer like ding ding ding ding,

688
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:03,640
Speaker 2: hammer away.

689
00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:06,719
Speaker 3: That's gotta be a lot of MDMA though, right to

690
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:07,400
Speaker 3: make the garden.

691
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:09,799
Speaker 2: No, yeah, four pounds of it. I don't know how

692
00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:11,160
Speaker 2: much that is? Two kilograms?

693
00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:15,560
Speaker 3: Uh, I don't know what's the typical dose of MDMA.

694
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:17,680
Speaker 2: Whatever a bean is, that's all I know. So like

695
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:18,080
Speaker 2: a pill.

696
00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:19,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's the pills still, and you know, in the

697
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:22,680
Speaker 4: nineties it was ecstasy and they were pressed into these

698
00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:26,200
Speaker 4: pills with like pokemon on them or like a Mitsubishi.

699
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:29,280
Speaker 4: There are all kinds of different ones, Buddha double stack,

700
00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:31,680
Speaker 4: you know, ferraris or whatever the crap. But they were

701
00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:34,840
Speaker 4: cut with all kinds of crazy stuff. Today it seems

702
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:37,960
Speaker 4: like the term is flipped more towards molly or or

703
00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:40,239
Speaker 4: you know, flip toward Yeah.

704
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:42,040
Speaker 3: Sure, I think it is.

705
00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:45,640
Speaker 4: MALLI is meant to be a purer form of the

706
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:49,160
Speaker 4: active ingredient from ecstasy, which is pure MDMA. But I

707
00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:52,200
Speaker 4: don't believe that it's still cut with something man like.

708
00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:54,720
Speaker 4: There's no way they're not. They're just putting that stuff

709
00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:57,880
Speaker 4: out completely unadulttery, and that's not how drug trade works.

710
00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:02,920
Speaker 2: Well, this, this MDMA is cut with a side of magic,

711
00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:05,600
Speaker 2: because this gnome is truly magic and whimsy.

712
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:08,960
Speaker 3: Yes, I I like how the authorities describe them as

713
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:10,080
Speaker 3: visibly startled.

714
00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:13,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, is on his hands over Oh no, I

715
00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:14,480
Speaker 2: can cut me.

716
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:17,720
Speaker 3: I'm mad drugs. Do we know if there were any.

717
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:22,680
Speaker 2: Arrest I'm not sure. Probably I'm assuming, but I don't know.

718
00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:25,240
Speaker 4: I know the circumstances in which it was discovered.

719
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:28,400
Speaker 2: Well, this guy's got to tell you. This BBC article

720
00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:33,960
Speaker 2: is pretty it's pretty short, it's not really robust. Let's

721
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:37,759
Speaker 2: say it does mention that MDMA is illegal in the Netherlands,

722
00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:43,080
Speaker 2: as it is in many parts of the world. And oh,

723
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:45,800
Speaker 2: as of twenty nineteen, according to the BBC, the Netherlands

724
00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:49,040
Speaker 2: is among one of the world's leading producers of MDMA.

725
00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:51,719
Speaker 4: Well, the Netherlands is also, like, you know, the place

726
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:55,600
Speaker 4: where marijuana has been legal for decades.

727
00:40:55,719 --> 00:41:01,080
Speaker 3: They got big freeport vibes. It's the vestiges of their

728
00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:05,640
Speaker 3: maritime empire. I'm looking on a source called Mixed mag

729
00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:07,920
Speaker 3: which I'm not too familiar with, but apparently there.

730
00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:11,520
Speaker 4: Is a techno website. Okay, it's an electronic.

731
00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:13,920
Speaker 3: Music Oh yeah, well good, I trust them as legitimate

732
00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:16,640
Speaker 3: for this. They're saying at a four pound or for

733
00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:19,200
Speaker 3: the rest of the world, two kilogram statue of this

734
00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:22,919
Speaker 3: size is the equivalent of around eight thousand ecstasy pills.

735
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:26,760
Speaker 3: So at the very least, this is a pretty significant investment, right, which.

736
00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:30,200
Speaker 4: I would guess go for around twenty five bucks a

737
00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:32,600
Speaker 4: pop hill. Yeah, I think so wow.

738
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:36,919
Speaker 3: That brought my Larry David out. No way, pass us

739
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:41,479
Speaker 3: dollars pass step down. What do you have for fifteen man?

740
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:46,000
Speaker 3: Do you have any rhinos statues? We're talking full sized rhinos,

741
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:49,680
Speaker 3: the good rhinos too. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

742
00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:50,800
Speaker 2: It gets hot in those rhinos.

743
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:51,480
Speaker 5: Guys.

744
00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:54,800
Speaker 2: We're moving on to the next update. This one comes

745
00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:56,759
Speaker 2: to us via the Guardian. We're just hanging out in

746
00:41:56,840 --> 00:42:01,720
Speaker 2: the UK right now. Jolly good guys. What's a franken chicken?

747
00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:04,279
Speaker 2: If you had to describe what a franken chicken is

748
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:06,560
Speaker 2: or what you think a franken chicken is, it's that

749
00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:11,720
Speaker 2: chicken that is made of nothing but drumsticks. Oh interesting, Yeah, it's.

750
00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:15,560
Speaker 3: A I believe the idea that that's the old like

751
00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:18,280
Speaker 3: back in the days of analog. That's the old food

752
00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:23,040
Speaker 3: conspiracy theory urban legend chickens that were just breasted legs

753
00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:26,239
Speaker 3: with no no heads. I believe they're I believe the

754
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:30,520
Speaker 3: real version. There's sometimes called broiler chickens. They're the ones

755
00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:34,040
Speaker 3: that are huge victims of the livestock industry. Also, we

756
00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:37,000
Speaker 3: got a nice letter from Peta. Unrelatedly, yes, it was

757
00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:37,600
Speaker 3: very kind.

758
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:37,960
Speaker 6: Thank you.

759
00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:41,160
Speaker 3: Wes uh and on the same page. But they're I

760
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:46,200
Speaker 3: think they're very large eugenics practice. They're they're modified to

761
00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:47,520
Speaker 3: grow faster. Is that correct?

762
00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:51,120
Speaker 2: Yes, The way I understand the franken chicken term is

763
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:53,560
Speaker 2: just as you said, ben used to be one thing.

764
00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:56,600
Speaker 2: Now it is the real chickens that are grown and

765
00:42:56,840 --> 00:43:00,480
Speaker 2: mass so in tight little cages. But think way too

766
00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:06,360
Speaker 2: many chickens per cage and given all kinds of sometimes

767
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:10,680
Speaker 2: hormones to grow them faster, often antibiotics. Because they're in

768
00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:12,719
Speaker 2: such close quarters, they get sick all the time.

769
00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:15,080
Speaker 3: They can a lot of them can't walk, I believe.

770
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:17,759
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, not enough area to move around often, not

771
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:22,360
Speaker 2: enough natural light to even have a semblance of existence

772
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:24,759
Speaker 2: and understanding of where they are in space and time.

773
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:27,480
Speaker 3: I mean like with body mass, though I think several

774
00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:30,840
Speaker 3: like it's not infrequent for them to physically be incapable

775
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:32,160
Speaker 3: of walking even with the space.

776
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:35,759
Speaker 4: Chick exactly at their best are pretty big boys up

777
00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:38,960
Speaker 4: top with little tiny legs. These would probably just atrophy

778
00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:42,280
Speaker 4: to the point of being, you know, completely useless.

779
00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:46,279
Speaker 2: It is a pretty disgusting thing, but it is an

780
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:50,760
Speaker 2: evolution based on a necessity for the amount of chicken

781
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:54,239
Speaker 2: that is sold to every thing of every grocery store,

782
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:57,400
Speaker 2: every place that sells chicken, and the fast food joined

783
00:43:57,440 --> 00:44:01,000
Speaker 2: every other place that sells chicken, and so each one

784
00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:04,400
Speaker 2: of these individual restaurants and chains has to source their

785
00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:08,760
Speaker 2: chicken from somewhere. This story is about sourcing of chickens.

786
00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:13,480
Speaker 2: Back in twenty nineteen, KFC Kentucky Fried Chicken or just

787
00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:18,600
Speaker 2: KFC specifically in the United Kingdom made a pledge, Hey,

788
00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:21,840
Speaker 2: by twenty twenty six, we are going to stop using

789
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:24,640
Speaker 2: these types of chickens. We are going to source our

790
00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:27,360
Speaker 2: chickens from places that have enough space to move around,

791
00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:29,759
Speaker 2: that have natural light, that have all of these things

792
00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:32,319
Speaker 2: basically the way you would want a chicken to live.

793
00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:35,759
Speaker 2: Even if that chicken from the moment of birth is

794
00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:38,880
Speaker 2: going to be killed and eaten, that chicken is going

795
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:41,839
Speaker 2: to have a better life right now. That doesn't mean

796
00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:46,040
Speaker 2: it's a good thing for that chicken necessarily, right, But

797
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:48,600
Speaker 2: it does mean if human beings are going to be

798
00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:52,960
Speaker 2: eating chicken, at least the people who make those chickens

799
00:44:53,120 --> 00:44:54,960
Speaker 2: into food can treat them well.

800
00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:55,400
Speaker 3: Right.

801
00:44:56,520 --> 00:44:58,880
Speaker 2: Kind of an awesome move. KFC got a lot of accolades,

802
00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:01,279
Speaker 2: or at least a lot of tips of the hat like, hey,

803
00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:03,600
Speaker 2: good on you for at least treating the chickens while

804
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:06,839
Speaker 2: or pledging to do it. But they just came out

805
00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:10,040
Speaker 2: and said, hey, everybody, there is just no way that

806
00:45:10,120 --> 00:45:13,560
Speaker 2: we can meet this stuff. Because of the demand for

807
00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:17,160
Speaker 2: chicken and the amount of chicken that's being produced and

808
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:20,760
Speaker 2: the type of producers that are out there, we cannot

809
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:21,640
Speaker 2: source enough chicken.

810
00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:24,960
Speaker 3: Like even if we raised the prices right the people

811
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:27,359
Speaker 3: the past, what people are willing to pay, even if

812
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:31,879
Speaker 3: we satisfied every other variable and obstacle, the supply chain

813
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:36,120
Speaker 3: itself is already so dependent upon this pattern that there's

814
00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:37,719
Speaker 3: no way to alter it. You'd have to kind of

815
00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:40,480
Speaker 3: build out a new chain of chicken chain.

816
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:41,160
Speaker 4: Yep.

817
00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:45,200
Speaker 2: They they were gonna get slower growing breaths. They were gonna,

818
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:48,200
Speaker 2: you know, have chickens that lived in light where they

819
00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:49,839
Speaker 2: can move around. And they just said, no, we can't

820
00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:51,640
Speaker 2: do We have to buy We have to buy chicken.

821
00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:53,840
Speaker 2: So sorry, it's just kind of awful.

822
00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:57,880
Speaker 4: And then that foresee these potential roadblocks, like people want chicken.

823
00:45:57,920 --> 00:46:00,880
Speaker 4: People aren't gonna stop wanting chicken. You made a pledge,

824
00:46:01,080 --> 00:46:01,800
Speaker 4: but that's why.

825
00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:04,000
Speaker 2: In twenty nineteen. It was a pledge rather than a

826
00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:08,080
Speaker 2: here is what we're doing next year or something like that. Right,

827
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:13,279
Speaker 2: hopefully the stars will align or you know, the circumstances

828
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:17,200
Speaker 2: will change such that we can meet these goals. It

829
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:18,400
Speaker 2: just looks like they didn't.

830
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:23,080
Speaker 4: It's declaration of intent, like a rose colored glasses pr

831
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:24,600
Speaker 4: move more than anything.

832
00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:28,160
Speaker 3: I mean, did they did? When did they know the facts?

833
00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:30,680
Speaker 3: The sad reality is they see it right about the

834
00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:34,920
Speaker 3: economics of scale and the chickens. Versus to your question, no,

835
00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:38,600
Speaker 3: when did they decide, oh, we'll hold off a second

836
00:46:38,680 --> 00:46:42,239
Speaker 3: and just let this good pr wash over us.

837
00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:42,879
Speaker 5: Yeah.

838
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:47,759
Speaker 2: Well, here's a quote from Ruth Edge e Edge. She

839
00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:51,280
Speaker 2: is the head of sustainability at KFC UK and Ireland.

840
00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:55,560
Speaker 2: She was talking to the Egg and Poultry Industry Conference,

841
00:46:55,680 --> 00:46:58,480
Speaker 2: or at the Egg and Poultry Industry Conference in Wales

842
00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:03,719
Speaker 2: and this is actually as of last well maybe a

843
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:07,880
Speaker 2: week and a half ago as we're recording this. She said, quote,

844
00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:11,239
Speaker 2: we're not saying we're never going to but we're saying

845
00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:13,520
Speaker 2: for twenty twenty six and the way the market has

846
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:17,160
Speaker 2: developed or lack of, we're not going to be able

847
00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:17,520
Speaker 2: to do it.

848
00:47:18,239 --> 00:47:21,560
Speaker 4: I guess I just don't fully understand what these unforeseen

849
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:25,720
Speaker 4: market forces were. It just seems like it's business as usual,

850
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:28,120
Speaker 4: Like what is the big surprise.

851
00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:31,480
Speaker 2: I'll give you just more from this VBC article we

852
00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:34,680
Speaker 2: mentioned at the top. KFC says there's an inadequate supply

853
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:37,239
Speaker 2: to meet the commitment because farmers are not switching in

854
00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:39,600
Speaker 2: big enough numbers to slower growing.

855
00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:41,800
Speaker 3: Breeds, probably because they can't afford to.

856
00:47:42,040 --> 00:47:45,720
Speaker 2: To be honest, yes, yes, according to KFC, they're working

857
00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:49,600
Speaker 2: to source chickens from farms with quote lower stocking densities,

858
00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:53,480
Speaker 2: but they're just having issues. They're not finding enough basically

859
00:47:53,640 --> 00:47:56,000
Speaker 2: chicken growers, which is kind of a weird thing to

860
00:47:56,080 --> 00:47:59,200
Speaker 2: think about, who are switching to the practices that they

861
00:47:59,239 --> 00:48:01,919
Speaker 2: want to switch to because there's just literally not enough chicken.

862
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:05,920
Speaker 4: Okay, well, I get it. I guess that makes sense.

863
00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:08,440
Speaker 4: I just don't know how they thought that things were

864
00:48:08,520 --> 00:48:09,880
Speaker 4: going to be so much different.

865
00:48:10,560 --> 00:48:13,720
Speaker 3: It's a weird one because it's again it's economy of scale.

866
00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:16,880
Speaker 3: And it's also interesting that this is a UK specific

867
00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:22,200
Speaker 3: situation right now for them, because I wonder, you know,

868
00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:25,920
Speaker 3: and this is very tangentially related, but I wonder if

869
00:48:26,040 --> 00:48:28,239
Speaker 3: the scope of this has anything to do with the

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Speaker 3: EU Brexit situation, if there are maybe laws in the

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Speaker 3: EU that are different or more amenable to this kind

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Speaker 3: of pledge or appearance of a pledge, or.

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Speaker 4: If economic hardships brought on by Brexit led to a

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Speaker 4: slow down, and what maybe was seeming to be.

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Speaker 3: In the in the car it chicken industry is so

876
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:55,200
Speaker 3: crazy too, Like there's this whole middle passage for chickens

877
00:48:55,239 --> 00:48:58,200
Speaker 3: grown in the US getting taken over to China for

878
00:48:58,320 --> 00:49:00,759
Speaker 3: processing sent back to the US, that some parts of

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00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:04,000
Speaker 3: that chicken are also re sold over the Pacific.

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Speaker 4: Where the laws allow right where Like, yeah.

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Speaker 3: It's bigger than the I know the British hate to

882
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Speaker 3: hear it, but it's bigger than England.

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Speaker 2: Let's do a big chicken episode. I think, have we

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Speaker 2: not know we've had a livestock, livestock, but let's do

885
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Speaker 2: like just chicken.

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Speaker 3: Sure, so yeah, big chickens.

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Speaker 2: And I got one last thing, well, two last things

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Speaker 2: to mention that we're not going to actually cover today.

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Speaker 2: The first one is a missing person's case. Hannah Kobayashi.

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Speaker 2: This is somebody that again I think we need a

891
00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:40,799
Speaker 2: full episode on. This is somebody who went missing on well,

892
00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:43,400
Speaker 2: she didn't go missing on November eighth, but it's the

893
00:49:44,160 --> 00:49:47,280
Speaker 2: story of her going missing when she flew from Hawaii

894
00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:50,399
Speaker 2: to Los Angeles began on November eighth of this year.

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Speaker 2: And there's a bunch of twists and turns that are

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Speaker 2: happening right now, specifically stuff that happened with her father

897
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Speaker 2: pretty recently. It's very strange and I think it's worth

898
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Speaker 2: our time. We just we won't have enough time to

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Speaker 2: cover in one of these episodes. But yeah, definitely look

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Speaker 2: up Hannah Kobyashi if you have time, and you can

901
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Speaker 2: also look up Ryan Kobyashi, who is Hannah's father who

902
00:50:11,239 --> 00:50:13,920
Speaker 2: recently passed away as well. So missing person and then

903
00:50:14,040 --> 00:50:16,640
Speaker 2: father missing person who was looking for her passed away.

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Speaker 2: Very sad messed up, but it seems like a human

905
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Speaker 2: trafficking situation, so something at least to keep her eye on.

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Speaker 2: Last thing to mention is the DEA has decided to

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Speaker 2: stop doing that whole civil asset forfeiture thing at airports

908
00:50:32,120 --> 00:50:34,960
Speaker 2: where they quote randomly search people.

909
00:50:35,080 --> 00:50:39,640
Speaker 3: And shack your stuff check out in English exactly. And

910
00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:41,319
Speaker 3: a big part of that, by the way, is all

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Speaker 3: the all the successful legal proceedings, yes that have taken place,

912
00:50:46,080 --> 00:50:49,520
Speaker 3: but civil asset forfeiture still applies to other agencies and

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Speaker 3: other situations. Folks, be careful.

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Speaker 4: Can I just say I've been really enjoying this TV

915
00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:58,880
Speaker 4: series on Peacock called Lions that is about a CIA

916
00:50:59,040 --> 00:51:02,799
Speaker 4: program of betting women in with like basically the close

917
00:51:02,960 --> 00:51:07,560
Speaker 4: relatives or girlfriends or wives of terrorists targets. But one

918
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Speaker 4: thing that I thought was really interesting in an episode,

919
00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:11,040
Speaker 4: there's a part where they have a joint operation with

920
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Speaker 4: the DEA, and it feels like it's a show that

921
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Speaker 4: has a lot of research behind it, but it really

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Speaker 4: shows how certain agencies are not created equal in terms

923
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Speaker 4: of the resources they get, and the DEA does not

924
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Speaker 4: have the level of resources as say.

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Speaker 3: The CIA or even the FBI. Wow.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And the way they show it in the episode

927
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Speaker 4: that I'm talking about is really stark and fascinating.

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Speaker 3: Atf is in a similar situation to what you're describing. Also,

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00:51:38,239 --> 00:51:42,719
Speaker 3: I would say, in addition to unequal resources, some have

930
00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:45,759
Speaker 3: more flexibility in their rules than others, or at least

931
00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:46,520
Speaker 3: have historically.

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Speaker 4: Wasn't it some agency couldn't recently like justify where a

933
00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:53,120
Speaker 4: gazillion dollars went, and they.

934
00:51:53,080 --> 00:51:54,560
Speaker 3: Are like a Pentagon every year.

935
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Speaker 4: Yeah, but there was a specific story happen. I wish

936
00:51:56,600 --> 00:51:58,600
Speaker 4: I had better memory of which agency this was, but

937
00:51:58,680 --> 00:52:01,560
Speaker 4: it was a big headline of a certain amount of

938
00:52:01,560 --> 00:52:04,799
Speaker 4: money and discretionary funds, which basically is up to supervisors

939
00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:07,239
Speaker 4: to determine where it goes. That they couldn't justify or

940
00:52:07,280 --> 00:52:10,239
Speaker 4: couldn't exactly say where it went. And that's not that

941
00:52:10,360 --> 00:52:12,080
Speaker 4: big a deal in some situations.

942
00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:15,480
Speaker 3: Oh gosh, looks like the Pentagon is set to again

943
00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:17,040
Speaker 3: fail its annual audit.

944
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Speaker 4: That's what it was, Thank you, Ben, That's what it was. Yep,

945
00:52:19,120 --> 00:52:23,040
Speaker 4: as simple as that. But again, not big news in general.

946
00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:25,440
Speaker 4: No one's gonna get in trouble exactly. It's just a

947
00:52:25,600 --> 00:52:28,520
Speaker 4: pass the buck kind of situation. And these discretionary budgets

948
00:52:28,760 --> 00:52:30,160
Speaker 4: are a very real thing.

949
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Speaker 3: Well, I gotta say again, attempting to keep things positive,

950
00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:40,600
Speaker 3: the Pentagon is setting a track record for the largest

951
00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:44,480
Speaker 3: entity of its type to repeatedly fail its annual audit.

952
00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:46,879
Speaker 3: Oh shit, they've got their numbers up there.

953
00:52:47,520 --> 00:52:50,200
Speaker 2: Yes, and I found a story from a month ago. Guys.

954
00:52:51,080 --> 00:52:53,719
Speaker 2: This is from New York Posts, So okay, whatever, but

955
00:52:54,120 --> 00:52:58,360
Speaker 2: here's the title, World Bank Bureaucrats lost track of at

956
00:52:58,480 --> 00:53:02,720
Speaker 2: least twenty four billion dollars in funds fighting climate change.

957
00:53:03,120 --> 00:53:05,800
Speaker 2: And here's a quote from one of the officials. It

958
00:53:05,920 --> 00:53:08,080
Speaker 2: could be twice or ten times more.

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Speaker 4: When you say fighting climate change, do you mean fighting

960
00:53:13,160 --> 00:53:14,800
Speaker 4: the concept of climate change?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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00:53:15,520 --> 00:53:17,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Okay, they were just bought. They put on

963
00:53:17,680 --> 00:53:19,800
Speaker 2: like gloves and they were just fighting the concept.

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Speaker 3: No, no, no, no no no.

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Speaker 4: Truly though, is this like anti climate change propaganda or

966
00:53:24,840 --> 00:53:29,719
Speaker 4: are they literally attempting to combat the effects of climate change?

967
00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:31,239
Speaker 4: And just that that headline is vague.

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Speaker 3: It lends to check out our episode on greenwashing. It

969
00:53:34,600 --> 00:53:38,920
Speaker 3: lends to that idea with somebody laundry money. Were they

970
00:53:39,320 --> 00:53:44,200
Speaker 3: funding initiatives or inngos? Look, it's hard to it's hard

971
00:53:44,280 --> 00:53:48,600
Speaker 3: to rock with most individuals because most individuals technically are

972
00:53:48,640 --> 00:53:51,400
Speaker 3: not billionaires, but a lot of money goes through the

973
00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:54,759
Speaker 3: cracks every year. If you go to American Military News

974
00:53:54,880 --> 00:53:57,200
Speaker 3: for a comp here, you can see that just a

975
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Speaker 3: few days ago the Pentagon failed its seventh in a

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Speaker 3: row and they cannot account for eight hundred and twenty

977
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Speaker 3: four billion dollars.

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Speaker 4: Bro you mentioned refly the Macy's thing. Some employee, an

979
00:54:09,520 --> 00:54:14,200
Speaker 4: individual managed to conceal one hundred and fifteen roughly million dollars,

980
00:54:14,680 --> 00:54:17,799
Speaker 4: and it didn't affect them paying any of their suppliers,

981
00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:20,239
Speaker 4: because you know, that was just a drop in the

982
00:54:20,280 --> 00:54:22,560
Speaker 4: bucket of their billions of dollars and it's just it

983
00:54:22,719 --> 00:54:23,960
Speaker 4: just disappeared.

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Speaker 3: One hundred and fifty four million dollars.

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Speaker 4: Geez.

986
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