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Speaker 2: So a little behind the scenes here, So before I
Speaker 2: ask this question, and I'm a little hesitant in asking it,
Speaker 2: so I'm a little long winded in getting there. So
Speaker 2: I'm trying to get him to address Winning Time. I'm
Speaker 2: trying to figure out way to do that. And I've
Speaker 2: had lunch with Jerry a few times, and I've been
Speaker 2: out with them socially as well, and I've never seen
Speaker 2: him drink, not one time, not once. So to me,
Speaker 2: it was really fascinated that Winning Time made him look
Speaker 2: like an alcoholic, just made him look like a guy
Speaker 2: who throws his trophy through his office window and that
Speaker 2: he's at the bar getting fucked up meeting his future wife.
Speaker 2: Crazy shit, I was cause I saw a winning time
Speaker 2: after we met extremely sus at this depiction, So I
Speaker 2: asked him about alcohol use, thinking that might lead us
Speaker 2: into the winning time discussion. But we actually ended up
Speaker 2: on this really interesting side road somehow about the blueprint
Speaker 2: on giving constructive criticism, how you balance being brutally honest
Speaker 2: and being a relationship guy, because I think that's insanely
Speaker 2: hard to balance. And then somehow we got on the
Speaker 2: role of social media and debate show talking heads in
Speaker 2: today's NBA. Then he throws subtle shade at the Lakers
Speaker 2: at Stephen A JJ Reddick.
Speaker 3: What a turn.
Speaker 2: Did not expect this, By the way, Gotta remember we're
Speaker 2: about an hour and a half into this interview and
Speaker 2: he is cooking. One of the craziest things that I saw.
Speaker 2: And then I've known about you for a long time
Speaker 2: is that you don't drink. And I'm pretty sure correct
Speaker 2: me if I'm wrong that you've never.
Speaker 4: Had well, you know, As'll say, I'm not saying I
Speaker 4: don't get dreamy, okay, but I never any alcohol in
Speaker 4: the family. Might the kid hide drink the after me.
Speaker 5: My night had the block in time.
Speaker 6: But I'm not a heath at all. Like, I don't
Speaker 6: like that it does to you if I'm not, I
Speaker 6: just don't like to drink. Yeah, A round their family
Speaker 6: and my father smoke heavily. There was no way that
Speaker 6: I can heaven smoke anything and listen, I'm not appropriate others.
Speaker 6: I don't know any to fast it because there's things
Speaker 6: I've just smoke.
Speaker 7: You do this, Yeah, I'm not going to I'm not
Speaker 7: gonna have Yeah.
Speaker 4: Some people don't.
Speaker 6: I'm really honest, and some people don't mention bee with that.
Speaker 2: That's an interesting question. So how do you balance that
Speaker 2: being brutally honest in a talent evaluation role when people
Speaker 2: are kind of like there's another industry out there to
Speaker 2: try to make things.
Speaker 3: Out to be bigger than they are.
Speaker 2: What do you do?
Speaker 7: You just don't care.
Speaker 6: Social media and particularly these people get their music, your
Speaker 6: hair and criticize players. The next day they'll come back
Speaker 6: and kiss and make up.
Speaker 4: I don't like them, but they do it for the people.
Speaker 4: Will they're free ad contrebi. Some of these players are
Speaker 4: not confidentially there. You are who they are, and you
Speaker 4: know I've watched this year centle things written about.
Speaker 6: The field players and the ore who they are. What
Speaker 6: you're not going to change you right, which is who
Speaker 6: they are? And I think it's resally embarrassing going the way.
Speaker 2: But is it hard for you knowing that you're brutally honest?
Speaker 2: Does that impact and you're also a relationship oriented person?
Speaker 2: How do you balance those two things?
Speaker 7: Really?
Speaker 8: You know, somebody will come up, let's say to you,
Speaker 8: you know, I want to know this, okay, And I said, look,
Speaker 8: this is only my opinion you and may tell you
Speaker 8: what you want to hear or.
Speaker 6: If you want to tell you what I think, And
Speaker 6: sometimes I want to tell you what I think you
Speaker 6: know about that? I said, it's not a reflector when
Speaker 6: you but reflection on how you can get better, not
Speaker 6: only as a player, but as a person, how you
Speaker 6: can interact with people better, how.
Speaker 9: People will be a more accepting of you.
Speaker 6: I said, most of sarmon thinking, well, I think it's
Speaker 6: a smile, and yeah, I just I'm pretty simple.
Speaker 10: I'm really pretty simple, And I don't think it's kind
Speaker 10: of a life in this league today it's.
Speaker 6: Almost forgotten to compent of It's the excessive amount of
Speaker 6: published me, the excessive now content about the players that
Speaker 6: are in our league, and I'm not always.
Speaker 4: Looking something longer to what you want, you know, I.
Speaker 9: Just say it's ridiculous.
Speaker 4: And some of the people in the air who I
Speaker 4: watch ex players, players who's accomplished basically nothing and talking
Speaker 4: about the game in their opinion.
Speaker 6: When I play, I'm going to talk about how to play.
Speaker 6: It was completely different area the day I'm saying, well.
Speaker 5: I thought, I've got to be even though I'm older,
Speaker 5: reading reading things that were meanings of reading in my history,
Speaker 5: reading about people who have inspired, I say, even though
Speaker 5: I'm battle.
Speaker 6: The persons terrible, I don't care about people are and
Speaker 6: uh some people and NBA players, the players and others.
Speaker 6: I want to feel like if everyone crazy when they're
Speaker 6: with their franchise and the next second they trade.
Speaker 10: Him and.
Speaker 6: Well, you know, even just a number you just want
Speaker 6: to see you. As I mentioned, players have places where
Speaker 6: they want to go to death, and you don't know
Speaker 6: they want.
Speaker 4: Anyone seemingly wants to go to a big market. I'm
Speaker 4: going to go to the place where I can win.
Speaker 4: I suppose you're good enough. If you're good though, they
Speaker 4: can have a lot more money with your own game
Speaker 4: if you have a can.
Speaker 6: Also, some places where you go and everything looks great,
Speaker 6: you get there and you'll find out.
Speaker 2: There lot the other Why does it work?
Speaker 7: Just get around?
Speaker 6: Oh well there's a public a lot of indifferent. Well
Speaker 6: we really got if you hear that, I just I
Speaker 6: just look at anyone on those people.
Speaker 9: I don't go Over the years, I've.
Speaker 7: Learned a lot, and I think crush. If I'll use
Speaker 7: that la to discussed, wells crush. There's sell anything. And
Speaker 7: there's been some fuss in my life, have been betrayed,
Speaker 7: and I don't you know, you'll have it. I I'll
Speaker 7: just find that bother.
Speaker 2: Here it is, folks, here it is. What did Jerry
Speaker 2: West think about Winning Time? When I saw that HBO series,
Speaker 2: I wondered, did they get anything right?
Speaker 3: It's not like they got pretty much everything. I really don't.
Speaker 6: I really don't want to find them.
Speaker 9: There's a complete line.
Speaker 6: It's a fleet line they have forgetting me. Okay, yeah,
Speaker 6: we're getting me.
Speaker 4: I don't care what anyone says.
Speaker 6: I'm not doing it right exactly now.
Speaker 4: I don't know those people.
Speaker 7: I don't want to know them.
Speaker 4: I've dir any money yeah, but that was disgraced for
Speaker 4: a lot of people, and then for some reason I
Speaker 4: would be chills in place.
Speaker 6: That means a feeling good story.
Speaker 4: That was the start of an era in Los Angeles,
Speaker 4: and Gary Bless the others made the Lakers for years the.
Speaker 6: Most popular thing inta And to me, to find the
Speaker 6: story that about detroying the people who were involved in it,
Speaker 6: it's very deftime.
Speaker 9: That's just place.
Speaker 2: I love the concept of an owner to say, let's
Speaker 2: just do whatever it takes to win. When I look
Speaker 2: and read about that time, that's the thing that sticks
Speaker 2: out is just how rare and special and hard it
Speaker 2: is for owners to.
Speaker 10: Do that different. Yeah, at the team today, we have
Speaker 10: immensely by this. Of course, because they wont in your profession.
Speaker 10: They don't understand how hard it's time. They don't they
Speaker 10: think it's easy enough money he is spending, it's not
Speaker 10: gonna do it. Sometimes people spend a lot of money
Speaker 10: and they're hopefully losing.
Speaker 6: They're not gonna get better. And once it gets kind
Speaker 6: of stuck in the middle, if you don't find a
Speaker 6: way to get out of that, you're gonna be the
Speaker 6: you firing that because you go he was looking every
Speaker 6: team in the league. Look what happens when.
Speaker 9: They lose a great player from some franchise that just
Speaker 9: want to give a number. And it's frustrating for the fans.
Speaker 9: Every universe social produce in the draft comes you are,
Speaker 9: but it gets my pleasing and I would there's no
Speaker 9: more answer to them.
Speaker 7: They really know.
Speaker 9: I do believe in ownership a lot.
Speaker 4: I've been fun, We've been involved with floor owners and
Speaker 4: like you, I suceed kind of really really been.
Speaker 11: A fantastic and I think the rocket starts you're leaving
Speaker 11: the failed And I went over to Day who was
Speaker 11: most amazing man.
Speaker 6: I've got to say them over that, who's just in
Speaker 6: any individual who was a dealers but went to he
Speaker 6: and his wife do some of.
Speaker 7: The public dockets can time.
Speaker 10: There's amazing when he is a great man, he is
Speaker 10: a great man.
Speaker 7: I actually probably at this point in my life and
Speaker 7: this is life, you know, this is kind of my
Speaker 7: entire lower at the NBA that I've had a chance
Speaker 7: to get to some of life man.
Speaker 3: During us like the dry us, the gray us and
Speaker 3: my father years of the body, like the road man
Speaker 3: who keeping the bugs through fireman and he got.
Speaker 9: Able to really quieter for sure, and Steve is a
Speaker 9: little bit more lambastic work Fantastic.
Speaker 3: Games, and I could have freaking anyway.
Speaker 2: My favorite thing that he did was he's like, I'm
Speaker 2: not going to comment on that, and then he proceeded
Speaker 2: to comment and comment and comment some more.