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Speaker 1: that this week on the Velvet Podcast the topic is

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Speaker 1: But can you do that if it's just you and

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Speaker 1: that is our idea of celebrity and the fact that

430
00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:17,800
Speaker 1: we put these people on pedestals to not act like

431
00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:22,199
Speaker 1: or to not have human feelings. Like obviously this is

432
00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:26,160
Speaker 1: really triggering to me personally, because like what was said

433
00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:27,959
Speaker 1: to me when I was going through the stuff, when

434
00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:31,720
Speaker 1: I was on Very Cavaliery and then became the villain

435
00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:36,240
Speaker 1: without understanding why or knowing why or whatever. Um, what

436
00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:38,480
Speaker 1: was said to me is you signed up for reality TV.

437
00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:41,119
Speaker 1: Like when the keyboard lawyers were coming at me about

438
00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:44,080
Speaker 1: something they knew nothing about that I did not do.

439
00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:46,920
Speaker 1: That was not at all how the situation played out.

440
00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:48,920
Speaker 1: But I was backed into a corner of not being

441
00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:52,119
Speaker 1: able to say anything or stand up for myself, and

442
00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:55,840
Speaker 1: so another person was creating a false narrative that even

443
00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:59,240
Speaker 1: Good Morning America picked up as reality. And so I'm

444
00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:03,560
Speaker 1: getting exercise for something that didn't fucking happen, nor was

445
00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:06,600
Speaker 1: it who I am. And I'm told that because I

446
00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:09,080
Speaker 1: signed up for a reality show, I should just take it.

447
00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:12,480
Speaker 1: I should take those death threats and have a thicker skin. Look,

448
00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:17,600
Speaker 1: I think these are two different things. We watched someone

449
00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:21,680
Speaker 1: slap somebody, but you just said because he is famous,

450
00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:23,880
Speaker 1: he has to have a thick skin. That's why I said,

451
00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:28,440
Speaker 1: you're about That's not what I said. I think when

452
00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:31,520
Speaker 1: you're when you when you choose a life that is

453
00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:34,959
Speaker 1: very public, you have to expect that people are going

454
00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:37,959
Speaker 1: to have opinions being on a reality show where they

455
00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:41,199
Speaker 1: edit things to tell a narrative that didn't happen. It

456
00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:43,920
Speaker 1: is very different than what I was told. Is that

457
00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:47,600
Speaker 1: because but I was told because I signed the papers

458
00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:49,800
Speaker 1: and signed up to do that show, than I should

459
00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:54,439
Speaker 1: take people's bullshit. Well, I think there's something that I

460
00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:57,639
Speaker 1: think that it's very different when a lie is being created,

461
00:26:57,760 --> 00:27:01,280
Speaker 1: like the argument like, but you would argue that he

462
00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:04,879
Speaker 1: said something about he made a joke about his sick wife,

463
00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:08,320
Speaker 1: and so we're like, but he should have handled it better.

464
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:12,760
Speaker 1: But but that's not a lie. You know, like if

465
00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:16,119
Speaker 1: you were on camera, and you know you are on

466
00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:21,800
Speaker 1: live television, you can't expect people not to have opinions.

467
00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:26,240
Speaker 1: When you act out of turn, you know the world

468
00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:29,560
Speaker 1: is going to see it. So for you for your

469
00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:35,879
Speaker 1: situation when you're being accused of sleeping with someone who

470
00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:42,240
Speaker 1: you considered to be your best friend's husband, like and

471
00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:45,280
Speaker 1: you're like, this is a fucking lie. Well that was

472
00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:48,560
Speaker 1: a lie. Was a lie. The whole thing is a lie,

473
00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:55,880
Speaker 1: the storyline. But I do think like when you are

474
00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:00,879
Speaker 1: it's it comes with the territory of See that's what

475
00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:03,359
Speaker 1: I'm having an issue with. You just said it again.

476
00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:07,960
Speaker 1: I think why though, why are we as a culture

477
00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:10,680
Speaker 1: not doing better? That's what I'm asking you, is it?

478
00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:15,480
Speaker 1: Why does it? I see what you're saying about like,

479
00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:22,720
Speaker 1: I no, and that's not what I'm saying. I don't.

480
00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:26,200
Speaker 1: I see what you're saying about people having an opinion.

481
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:32,120
Speaker 1: I think that we can do better as humans to one,

482
00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:34,679
Speaker 1: try to get information before we start having a fucking

483
00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:40,320
Speaker 1: judgment about something, to have some goddamn empathy, Like to me,

484
00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:44,320
Speaker 1: I think the problem is social media. That's well, that's

485
00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:49,640
Speaker 1: that was a huge part of It's just like everyone

486
00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:53,120
Speaker 1: has access to broadcast their opinion to the world now,

487
00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:57,880
Speaker 1: and it started the second it happens. Yeah, yeah, that's what.

488
00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:01,160
Speaker 1: That's super clicks and likes and a little they don't care,

489
00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:04,640
Speaker 1: like it wasn't about It's not about like what really happened,

490
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:06,920
Speaker 1: you know. And here I am sitting here watching Will

491
00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:09,160
Speaker 1: Smith being like, oh my god. I felt so bad

492
00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:11,240
Speaker 1: for him because I knew what was about to happen.

493
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:14,040
Speaker 1: It was like, oh my god. He did the best

494
00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:16,160
Speaker 1: he could in the time, and it was not the best.

495
00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:20,320
Speaker 1: He didn't do very good. Stupid decision he did. It

496
00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:23,440
Speaker 1: was an emotional reaction. That is the best way to

497
00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:25,800
Speaker 1: describe it. What he said in his Instagram post was

498
00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:29,640
Speaker 1: I made an emotional reaction. I usually can take it,

499
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:32,280
Speaker 1: but when it was targeted at my sick wife, it

500
00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:35,080
Speaker 1: took me to a place that I had an emotional

501
00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:39,480
Speaker 1: reaction that I couldn't control. It was inappropriate and he

502
00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:44,760
Speaker 1: took that ownership, and um, I loved that because to me,

503
00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:48,080
Speaker 1: that is like you're a human and you get your

504
00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:50,640
Speaker 1: buttons pushed. That that was not the first time they

505
00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:53,000
Speaker 1: had been calm at that night, like their relationship had

506
00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:55,040
Speaker 1: made been There had been jokes about that they were

507
00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:58,080
Speaker 1: sitting on the front row, they were getting the hits,

508
00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:00,400
Speaker 1: you know, and they took it. They took it, they

509
00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:03,760
Speaker 1: took it, and then he finally fucking snapped. And I

510
00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:06,840
Speaker 1: just think, like, we do such a disservice if we

511
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:09,640
Speaker 1: only talk about that reaction, because there's so much more

512
00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:12,240
Speaker 1: happening here. And I also think that, like, you're right,

513
00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:14,920
Speaker 1: the social media pieces what was so upsetting to me

514
00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:17,120
Speaker 1: because it was like I opened it up, and the

515
00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:19,680
Speaker 1: second because I was trying to figure out if it

516
00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:22,080
Speaker 1: was a bit at first and I opened it up.

517
00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:24,680
Speaker 1: And people are already weighing in on Will Smith needs

518
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:27,440
Speaker 1: to be canceled, he shouldn't win this award. If he does,

519
00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:29,440
Speaker 1: then it needs to be done, and blah blah blah,

520
00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:32,160
Speaker 1: and it's like, whoa, how are y'all already forming these

521
00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:36,680
Speaker 1: opinions and um, and even saying things like what he's

522
00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:39,800
Speaker 1: like picking apart his speech and the things that he said,

523
00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:42,320
Speaker 1: and that's not love. Don't ever say love. And I

524
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:46,200
Speaker 1: get that that's like a domestic abuse situation where you know,

525
00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:48,200
Speaker 1: people say I just love you so much. That's not

526
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:50,360
Speaker 1: what he was saying, though, Like that's not what he

527
00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:53,200
Speaker 1: was saying. And I'm super triggered by it because my

528
00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:57,120
Speaker 1: voice was stifled, and so I'm just like like, and

529
00:30:57,160 --> 00:30:59,640
Speaker 1: it's not like I'm defending what he did. I just

530
00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:02,840
Speaker 1: I'm my god, damn, We've got to do better here,

531
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:07,680
Speaker 1: Like we are literally a culture who is traumatized and struggling,

532
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:09,560
Speaker 1: and we're gonna sit here and just make it worse

533
00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:12,920
Speaker 1: for each other. Why Yeah, I Mean, look, I I

534
00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:15,320
Speaker 1: would be lying if I didn't say I don't enjoy

535
00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:17,680
Speaker 1: a good meme, you know, like when something like this

536
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:21,360
Speaker 1: so distasteful to me to come in as quick as

537
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:25,200
Speaker 1: they did, I mean some of them were just so funny. Um,

538
00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:29,080
Speaker 1: And as a conscience, as a conscious observer of what happened,

539
00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:31,320
Speaker 1: I don't have a dog in the fight. So it's

540
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:33,920
Speaker 1: like I wouldn't much rather be able to laugh at

541
00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:37,800
Speaker 1: you know, honestly, like two celebrities embarrassing the ship out

542
00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:39,720
Speaker 1: of themselves. That's the way that I see it like

543
00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:42,280
Speaker 1: the opinions of other people. I don't give a fuck

544
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:44,880
Speaker 1: like what anyone else has to say, you know, Like

545
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:49,000
Speaker 1: I mean, I if anything, I was just I'm sad

546
00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:51,920
Speaker 1: about the whole thing. I'm sad that they're um, you know,

547
00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:54,360
Speaker 1: there are kids that look up to Will Smith as

548
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:57,240
Speaker 1: like this shining example of what they can become. And

549
00:31:57,320 --> 00:32:01,040
Speaker 1: to see him fail, it's really sad. But I also

550
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:03,600
Speaker 1: think it's a great learning moment, like for parents to

551
00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:06,800
Speaker 1: be like, this person is human. He is not perfect,

552
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:11,160
Speaker 1: like he might play perfection in some movies. But um,

553
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:14,480
Speaker 1: you know, so I think it's really important for um

554
00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:19,200
Speaker 1: that there are it is causing conversation and well hopefully

555
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:22,880
Speaker 1: and yeah, I mean it's like me researching this today

556
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:26,960
Speaker 1: that there's amazing like um, you know, sort of counter

557
00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:29,200
Speaker 1: arguments in the New York Times. It's like it is

558
00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:36,840
Speaker 1: really causing, um, important conversations about this. But canceling him

559
00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:40,880
Speaker 1: does fucking nothing. That is a knee jerk reaction. And

560
00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:42,760
Speaker 1: by the way, it will never happen. He's the most

561
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:47,440
Speaker 1: bankable star in Hollywood. He ain't going anywhere. But I

562
00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:50,719
Speaker 1: do think that like there were some failures and a

563
00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:54,160
Speaker 1: lot of people's parts. Um, and the excuse of like

564
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:57,120
Speaker 1: this has never happened before. Like I guarantee if someone

565
00:32:57,200 --> 00:32:59,760
Speaker 1: ran in there with a gun, which has never happened

566
00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:02,360
Speaker 1: at the Oscars, they would have had a solution for it.

567
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:06,320
Speaker 1: They chose not to reprimand him in any way because

568
00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:09,160
Speaker 1: he is the most bankable star in Hollywood. I don't

569
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:11,520
Speaker 1: know if that's why. I think they were like what

570
00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:14,960
Speaker 1: the funk do we do? Like because also he sat

571
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:17,920
Speaker 1: back down, and so it's like someone could have tapped

572
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:20,160
Speaker 1: him on the shoulder and said, well, can we see

573
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:23,400
Speaker 1: can we have a conversation in the lobby? And it

574
00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:26,080
Speaker 1: also might have given him the opportunity to sort of

575
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:28,680
Speaker 1: process what had just happened for a minute instead of

576
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:32,120
Speaker 1: having to be like whoop and like wash it off

577
00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:34,880
Speaker 1: of his face and act like he's enjoying the moment,

578
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:39,520
Speaker 1: Like get him off camera, ask him if he's okay.

579
00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:42,440
Speaker 1: Well he wasn't. They kept showing you during commercial breaks,

580
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:47,080
Speaker 1: sobbing like Denzel Washington was like hugging him, and and

581
00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:49,840
Speaker 1: Um said something about he said this in the speech,

582
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:52,120
Speaker 1: like the devil always gets you when you're on the top,

583
00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:55,440
Speaker 1: And I do you think it's like the world is

584
00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:59,760
Speaker 1: watching those people that are so famous, and wait, I

585
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:01,960
Speaker 1: think the thing I'm just grossed out by. It's like

586
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:06,920
Speaker 1: it seems like people thrive on people's failures. Are like

587
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:11,040
Speaker 1: when you were just saying, like the memes and um,

588
00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:12,919
Speaker 1: you know you love a good meme and you don't

589
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:15,719
Speaker 1: care about the people's opinions, and like, I get it,

590
00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:18,240
Speaker 1: but I'm also I think I'm observing it. And maybe

591
00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:22,000
Speaker 1: this is because I mean, on a so much smaller scale,

592
00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:26,440
Speaker 1: I felt what it feels like, but like it's to me.

593
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:29,920
Speaker 1: I was watching, it's so sad for all of them,

594
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:32,560
Speaker 1: like they are humans and they had to go home

595
00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:35,080
Speaker 1: that night, and I mean he went to the after parties,

596
00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:36,920
Speaker 1: which I actually think was the wrong move too. I

597
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:40,560
Speaker 1: don't I don't think you should have done that optically,

598
00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:42,399
Speaker 1: it was a very bad move. I think they were

599
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:45,200
Speaker 1: probably trying to be like, let's just make you know you.

600
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:47,120
Speaker 1: We need to focus on the positives you did just

601
00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:50,439
Speaker 1: when your first Oscar and I think everyone I want

602
00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:53,680
Speaker 1: to believe was doing the best they could at the time. Um,

603
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:57,000
Speaker 1: I can't. You can't think that he didn't wake up

604
00:34:57,040 --> 00:34:59,520
Speaker 1: the next day though, and be like, let it sink

605
00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:02,680
Speaker 1: in for second and he's having to deal with it.

606
00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:04,520
Speaker 1: It's not like this is going to go away for Wilson.

607
00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:14,360
Speaker 1: Yah know, he's like he's there are repercussions. But you know,

608
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:17,759
Speaker 1: I also think it's important to remember, like going into it,

609
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:23,000
Speaker 1: not everyone like Will Smith people of the opportunity to

610
00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:26,440
Speaker 1: be like fuck that dude, you know. So I don't

611
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:30,279
Speaker 1: think it was necessarily like suddenly people that loved him

612
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:33,279
Speaker 1: were like judging him. I think it gave up some

613
00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:35,759
Speaker 1: people opportunity to be like I knew I was right

614
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:40,600
Speaker 1: about that guy. And um, and we obviously can't. We're

615
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:43,240
Speaker 1: as people that are just reading this ship on the internet.

616
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:46,319
Speaker 1: We can't discern like where those people are coming from. No,

617
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:48,000
Speaker 1: I mean, Will Smith could be an asshole, and I

618
00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:50,560
Speaker 1: don't know, like you know, so it's it's hard to

619
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:53,480
Speaker 1: even make a decision on, like you said, which side

620
00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:55,799
Speaker 1: to take. I will say, it's really upsetting to me

621
00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:59,760
Speaker 1: that I read an article about Chris Rock's ticket sales

622
00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:02,200
Speaker 1: this weekend and it was like because people were buying

623
00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:04,680
Speaker 1: them for two fifty and selling them on StubHub for

624
00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:08,040
Speaker 1: like eight thousand dollars, And to me, I'm like, so

625
00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:11,520
Speaker 1: this guy who started this whole thing, and he in

626
00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:14,040
Speaker 1: fact is an abuser as well. With the words. It

627
00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:19,000
Speaker 1: was with words, he gets to have a thriving career. Now,

628
00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:23,040
Speaker 1: well he's not making money off of StubHub. Like, well, okay,

629
00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:26,759
Speaker 1: well the ticket sales went, they sold out immediately, like

630
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:30,359
Speaker 1: people are going to be They're going because they want

631
00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:31,560
Speaker 1: to see what he's gonna say. They want to see

632
00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:33,480
Speaker 1: what jokes he's gonna make about this. And to me,

633
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:36,279
Speaker 1: I'm like, this is messed up. So Will Smith is

634
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:38,680
Speaker 1: having to suffer consequences. But to me, it doesn't seem

635
00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:41,920
Speaker 1: like Chris rock Is. Well, um, I bet you a

636
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:45,320
Speaker 1: lot of people watch King Richard, you know, like after

637
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:48,360
Speaker 1: this too, maybe or maybe they're like I don't like

638
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:51,680
Speaker 1: that guy anymore. Maybe, But I'm sure there are people

639
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:53,719
Speaker 1: that don't like Chris rock Is, you know, like I've

640
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:55,560
Speaker 1: seen a lot of comments with people that said that

641
00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:57,840
Speaker 1: the joke was inappropriate and he deserved to be slapped.

642
00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:02,359
Speaker 1: Uh So, look, I think there's no winner, and there's

643
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:04,719
Speaker 1: like they're both they're all losers in this, you know,

644
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:09,440
Speaker 1: like it's just a really really unfortunate situation that played

645
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:14,359
Speaker 1: out terribly, you know it it was. It's not how

646
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:21,919
Speaker 1: things should go. Um, and it's you know not. None

647
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:23,359
Speaker 1: of us were in the room. None of us are

648
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:26,279
Speaker 1: Will Smith. I I would like to think that he

649
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:29,000
Speaker 1: can look back at what he did and think about

650
00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:31,640
Speaker 1: other ways that he could have handled it. I mean,

651
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:34,600
Speaker 1: he could have just shelled keep your my wife's name

652
00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:39,520
Speaker 1: out of your fucking mouth. Right. It would have had

653
00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:42,719
Speaker 1: probably a better impact because people would have been like,

654
00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:46,360
Speaker 1: holy sh it, Will Smith is mad. I've never seen

655
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:50,400
Speaker 1: Will Smith matt And it would have preserved his reputation

656
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:53,320
Speaker 1: so um, and it would have looked like he was

657
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:58,040
Speaker 1: protecting his wife. Um. He could have said I want

658
00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:00,560
Speaker 1: to talk to you at commercial break and then like

659
00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:02,640
Speaker 1: we would have seen it like then filming like him,

660
00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:04,640
Speaker 1: like letting Chris Rock have a piece of his mind.

661
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:06,840
Speaker 1: I don't know. I just could have would have should have?

662
00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:09,200
Speaker 1: I mean, have you never been in a situation where

663
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:12,840
Speaker 1: you're in a fight and you're you know, assaulted in

664
00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:15,319
Speaker 1: whatever way, and you react and you've gone, God, I

665
00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:17,200
Speaker 1: should have done that better. And I guess as a

666
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:20,359
Speaker 1: human I have been there and being on the other

667
00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:25,400
Speaker 1: side of situations where I'm faced with something that is

668
00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:28,520
Speaker 1: not right. What's happening to me, it's not right. I

669
00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:32,480
Speaker 1: have reacted and then but I have to take responsibility

670
00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:34,959
Speaker 1: for my actions, right, And as humans, I just think

671
00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:37,040
Speaker 1: the best we can do and the but the most

672
00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:40,040
Speaker 1: we can ask of each other is to take accountability,

673
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:43,680
Speaker 1: take ownership, acknowledge what we did and what was wrong

674
00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:48,359
Speaker 1: about it, and make changes in And that's what I think.

675
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:50,000
Speaker 1: That's why I think it's important that we're having this

676
00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:53,400
Speaker 1: conversation because you and I are saying the same thing.

677
00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:58,239
Speaker 1: I'm just more heated and upset and manage and I'm like,

678
00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:03,120
Speaker 1: don't you dare talk about well, I think it's important. Like, look,

679
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:06,160
Speaker 1: I I do think it's important that people have opinions

680
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:09,719
Speaker 1: and react to things. But I think it's less constructive

681
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:12,239
Speaker 1: just to be like fucking cancel Will Smith. It's more

682
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:16,959
Speaker 1: constructive to look at your children and say, hey, let's

683
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:20,479
Speaker 1: talk about this. What did Mr Smith do wrong? Here?

684
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:25,839
Speaker 1: What did Mr Rock do wrong? Yeah? And then we

685
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:30,040
Speaker 1: are collectively all doing better. Just to make fun and

686
00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:35,600
Speaker 1: be assholes online. It doesn't serve anyone but your clicks

687
00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:39,120
Speaker 1: well in that, and it just turns us into more assholes.

688
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:42,960
Speaker 1: It's like the same thing. Yes, And I also just

689
00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:45,680
Speaker 1: think that, Like, if you are just sitting there saying

690
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:48,560
Speaker 1: violence is never the answer, I think you're missing it too,

691
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:51,520
Speaker 1: because that's it's like duh to me, that is like

692
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:55,080
Speaker 1: I don't think anybody would say violence was the right

693
00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:57,839
Speaker 1: thing to do there, Like, no, I don't think they're

694
00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:00,319
Speaker 1: I saw some people that were like, his ass deserve

695
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:02,600
Speaker 1: should have been slapped because it was a bad comment.

696
00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:05,280
Speaker 1: But I think we could all argue that on the Oscars,

697
00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:10,759
Speaker 1: maybe not maybe with the platform on national television in

698
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:15,160
Speaker 1: the biggest award show that there is, that probably wouldn't

699
00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:18,600
Speaker 1: you know, slapping someone isn't probably the right answer. So

700
00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:21,120
Speaker 1: I think it's like dumbing this whole thing down if

701
00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:23,319
Speaker 1: you just sit there and you're saying, like, violence is

702
00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:27,520
Speaker 1: never the right response, like hello, of course, Like to me,

703
00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:29,919
Speaker 1: that's that Maybe I'm wrong, but that's how I feel

704
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:33,239
Speaker 1: about it. It's just like you're you're saying the thing

705
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:38,759
Speaker 1: that's like the most obvious statement, Like, well, the Academy

706
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:42,520
Speaker 1: to be like we don't condone violence. Ship Academy like

707
00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:45,720
Speaker 1: give awards to some of the most violent movies ever made,

708
00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:49,160
Speaker 1: Like it's just right, it's like the right thing to say.

709
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:52,120
Speaker 1: So people are saying and it's like the politically correct thing,

710
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:55,279
Speaker 1: and it's just like, let's stop, let's chop trying to

711
00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:57,839
Speaker 1: cover our tracks here, and let's stop trying to say

712
00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:00,200
Speaker 1: the right thing, and let's look at the big your

713
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:03,719
Speaker 1: picture of what we can learn as a culture. And

714
00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:06,479
Speaker 1: there are so many things, like you're saying, so many

715
00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:11,200
Speaker 1: teachable moments in this and number like one for me

716
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:13,560
Speaker 1: is for all of us to look in the mirror

717
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:17,880
Speaker 1: about how we react to people being human and making

718
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:22,440
Speaker 1: mistakes and like or because they're on a public platform,

719
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:26,320
Speaker 1: how we treat them Like I actually think no comedians

720
00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:28,120
Speaker 1: are going to change and this is like this would

721
00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:29,640
Speaker 1: be me trying to change the world in a way

722
00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:32,600
Speaker 1: that's like never gonna happen. But I do think it's like,

723
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:35,120
Speaker 1: as a comedian, if you're going to make a joke

724
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:39,799
Speaker 1: like about another human, I mean, try to be like

725
00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:43,200
Speaker 1: a little like have your information at least god Like.

726
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:44,839
Speaker 1: I don't think he would have made that joke if

727
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:48,600
Speaker 1: you knew she had al apcia. Absolutely, I would hope not. Yeah,

728
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:51,719
Speaker 1: I don't think he would have either. So that was

729
00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:55,000
Speaker 1: a mistake on his part, absolutely, And I think he

730
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:57,680
Speaker 1: needs to take responsibility for that, But I don't think

731
00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:01,239
Speaker 1: having him spent like there there's video content of him

732
00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:06,520
Speaker 1: like afterwards, like in shock. Yeah, I mean he looks embarrassed.

733
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:09,920
Speaker 1: You know. It's like, look I was when I was

734
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:13,680
Speaker 1: in high school. No, I was in middle about to

735
00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:16,360
Speaker 1: tell a story about getting slapped, No, not getting slapped.

736
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:20,640
Speaker 1: I got I got pile drived. It's like it's a

737
00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:23,239
Speaker 1: wrestling move that he used to this kid in my

738
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:26,680
Speaker 1: classes came up, flipped me upside down and like then

739
00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:29,440
Speaker 1: you sit like Indian style worldfast in my head, hit

740
00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:32,360
Speaker 1: the ground, Oh my god, in front of my class.

741
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:34,799
Speaker 1: It was just like an act of random violent like

742
00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:37,040
Speaker 1: but I think he thought he was being funny and

743
00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:41,200
Speaker 1: it fucking hurt. And I was. But more importantly, I

744
00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:45,600
Speaker 1: was really embarrassed and um and like because I because

745
00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:47,960
Speaker 1: of the embarrassment, I couldn't act like it hurt. I

746
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:50,719
Speaker 1: didn't want to like tell on him, like all of

747
00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:56,720
Speaker 1: these things. And so I saw that moment in crusty

748
00:42:57,080 --> 00:43:00,640
Speaker 1: rock space, like, I think he was incredibly embarrassed. I

749
00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:04,520
Speaker 1: think you're right, right, I do think that he I mean,

750
00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:07,080
Speaker 1: he hasn't made a statement yet, um, and I think

751
00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:10,439
Speaker 1: he did at this comedy show. He said, I'm still

752
00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:15,319
Speaker 1: in shock, and um, I don't have anything to say

753
00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:17,400
Speaker 1: about it yet. I'm sure I will and there will be.

754
00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:19,560
Speaker 1: There will be some seriousness to what I say and

755
00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:23,680
Speaker 1: some jokes to what I say. Right. I hope he can,

756
00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:26,200
Speaker 1: that all of us can one day find the humor

757
00:43:26,239 --> 00:43:28,600
Speaker 1: in the fact that, like Will Smith got out of

758
00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:34,760
Speaker 1: the seat and bit slapped him on like the fact

759
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:39,000
Speaker 1: that it happened is like, it is so absurd, it's funny,

760
00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:43,759
Speaker 1: Like what Will Smith got up and smacked Chris Rock

761
00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:47,920
Speaker 1: live on the Oscars. I mean it was, when I

762
00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:50,960
Speaker 1: tell you, it was the most shocking thing I've experienced

763
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:53,440
Speaker 1: in a long time. I watched it a hundred and

764
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:55,399
Speaker 1: fifty times and I'm like, no, his hand is open

765
00:43:55,480 --> 00:44:00,120
Speaker 1: like I learned to smack in the stage combat. If

766
00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:02,839
Speaker 1: you look, he's gritty. When he turned around that, he's

767
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:06,080
Speaker 1: like grins and then goes stone face again. I'm like, oh,

768
00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:08,400
Speaker 1: this is fake. And then I saw the real FETO like,

769
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:11,120
Speaker 1: oh that's you know, it's not. Yeah. It was hard

770
00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:14,400
Speaker 1: to read him for sure, which was scary too, because

771
00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:18,280
Speaker 1: I think when someone's unpredictable like that, it's very like

772
00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:21,440
Speaker 1: it was the side of Will Smith, the wheep. I mean,

773
00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:23,799
Speaker 1: he's the fucking fresh prince of bel Air, Like you

774
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:26,080
Speaker 1: know what I mean, you know all those jokes started

775
00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:29,160
Speaker 1: really fast, like his mom's sending him to live. What

776
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:33,920
Speaker 1: is it movement with your auntie and uncle de Belle Air. Yeah, well,

777
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:35,960
Speaker 1: here's something that we can't forget to talk about. Have

778
00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:40,520
Speaker 1: you heard about this conspiracy theory it's floating out there

779
00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:46,960
Speaker 1: that it was it was staged by Visor because Fiser

780
00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:50,520
Speaker 1: is launching a new alopecia drug and they wanted I mean,

781
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:53,600
Speaker 1: first of all, the sick part is is that I

782
00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:57,200
Speaker 1: would not put it past Fiser. Well, Fiser was a

783
00:44:57,239 --> 00:45:02,560
Speaker 1: sponsor of Oscar's um and what I like, I read

784
00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:06,520
Speaker 1: statements about why they were sponsoring the oscars that and

785
00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:09,080
Speaker 1: it was prior to the oscars actually happening that the

786
00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:11,120
Speaker 1: same moment, because they felt like Hollywood had done a

787
00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:13,160
Speaker 1: really good job of trying to help bring people together

788
00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:16,680
Speaker 1: to get vaccinated and the role that they played in

789
00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:20,640
Speaker 1: the sharing of that information. So if that is I

790
00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:23,719
Speaker 1: am literally building a bunker and moving in and you

791
00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:25,920
Speaker 1: guys are never going to hear or see from me again.

792
00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:29,080
Speaker 1: I'm going to live off the land and like poop

793
00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:33,640
Speaker 1: in a box. I don't know. I cannot handle that

794
00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:37,879
Speaker 1: ship like that is so described. I tried to find

795
00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:41,839
Speaker 1: news about a new alopecia drug and it's just that's

796
00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:44,839
Speaker 1: a conspiracy here. Thank god, it's so far fetched. But

797
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:46,600
Speaker 1: what it blows my mind is that there are people

798
00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:49,480
Speaker 1: out there that are willing to believe that that Chris

799
00:45:49,560 --> 00:45:54,200
Speaker 1: Rock signed up for this ruse to get bit slept

800
00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:58,879
Speaker 1: on oscars that would be sick and twisted, and then

801
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:02,239
Speaker 1: to force Will Smith to apologize like the whole thing

802
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:05,160
Speaker 1: fights are we to have to be? Literally, No, he

803
00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:10,080
Speaker 1: has too much money dollars to like act, it's like

804
00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:14,200
Speaker 1: the most fun job in the world, and he's willing

805
00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:18,279
Speaker 1: to let Fiser pay him to like potentially ruin his career. Yeah.

806
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:20,600
Speaker 1: I don't buy it. No chance. I don't buy it,

807
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:24,480
Speaker 1: absolutely not. There's no chance that is true unless he

808
00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:27,160
Speaker 1: owns half a Fiser at this point, I don't buy it.

809
00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:29,879
Speaker 1: What I will say is what you just said about

810
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:33,200
Speaker 1: how much money he has and stuff. I think there's

811
00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:35,360
Speaker 1: probably a lot of people who have the mentality of

812
00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:38,440
Speaker 1: like Okay, wow, wow, Will Smith, like you're fine, Like

813
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:40,279
Speaker 1: you have all this money of all these houses you have,

814
00:46:40,680 --> 00:46:43,200
Speaker 1: and I agree, like, yes, Will Smith will have an

815
00:46:43,239 --> 00:46:48,560
Speaker 1: easier time you know, going to therapy camp or whatever

816
00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:52,040
Speaker 1: he has to do to work through this therapy. I'm

817
00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:54,719
Speaker 1: just like, that's whatever, girl, I mean, that's just me.

818
00:46:55,040 --> 00:47:01,800
Speaker 1: I love therapy in therapy comp this one time, and

819
00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:06,600
Speaker 1: the god that's not what happens at therapy camp. Chip

820
00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:11,600
Speaker 1: okay um, but anyway that would be frowned upon it therapy.

821
00:47:14,080 --> 00:47:17,360
Speaker 1: But all of all of that is to say that

822
00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:22,440
Speaker 1: I don't think that money or fame or any of

823
00:47:22,520 --> 00:47:25,279
Speaker 1: this stuff can take away human feelings. And I don't

824
00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:27,560
Speaker 1: think that we can keep doing that. Like I just

825
00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:30,400
Speaker 1: I don't know. People are human and we have to

826
00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:34,480
Speaker 1: acknowledge how things feel, how things are like. People are affected,

827
00:47:34,600 --> 00:47:37,200
Speaker 1: they're affected by He's affected by his childhood. He's talked

828
00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:39,800
Speaker 1: very openly about his his dad being an abuser and

829
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:42,160
Speaker 1: physically abusive, and he didn't stick up for his mom.

830
00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:45,440
Speaker 1: That's why I'm like, hello, this was a trauma response,

831
00:47:45,680 --> 00:47:48,400
Speaker 1: Like he had all this regret about not standing up

832
00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:50,440
Speaker 1: for his mom. Then his wife gets attacked and he's like,

833
00:47:50,840 --> 00:47:52,520
Speaker 1: oh my god, I gotta, I gotta. You know, the

834
00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:55,120
Speaker 1: child takes over and you do things that you're like,

835
00:47:55,400 --> 00:47:58,640
Speaker 1: what am I doing as your wise adult or what

836
00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:02,240
Speaker 1: did I do? But when you're coming from the wounded child,

837
00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:06,560
Speaker 1: you're gonna do crazy shit. Doesn't make it okay. But

838
00:48:06,719 --> 00:48:21,160
Speaker 1: that's why you got to go to therapy. Sorry, if

839
00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:23,880
Speaker 1: I am, I just you know, I was at a

840
00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:27,360
Speaker 1: dinner the other night and I'm like, it was really cute,

841
00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:30,279
Speaker 1: Like Karen Fairchild was there, who adore you know, She's

842
00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:34,400
Speaker 1: like the greatest, and she was kind of trying to

843
00:48:34,520 --> 00:48:38,080
Speaker 1: talk me through, like the calm way to talk through,

844
00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:40,120
Speaker 1: like you know, and then we had to explain it

845
00:48:40,160 --> 00:48:41,800
Speaker 1: to our kids, this violence, and I'm like, I get it,

846
00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:43,480
Speaker 1: I get it, I get it, but I'm like hardcore

847
00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:45,239
Speaker 1: on my stance, and I was getting so worked up

848
00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:48,440
Speaker 1: and I was just like, okay, I'm now Will Smith

849
00:48:48,600 --> 00:48:53,360
Speaker 1: like I'm having a Will Smith moment because I'm just no.

850
00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:59,319
Speaker 1: So then a slap Karen at SOHO House. I slap Karen.

851
00:48:59,360 --> 00:49:05,200
Speaker 1: Could you adn't believe it wasn't on television. Very Cavalry

852
00:49:05,239 --> 00:49:10,239
Speaker 1: would be so upset if I say that drama for often, um,

853
00:49:10,719 --> 00:49:13,239
Speaker 1: but no, it's it's just like this very it was.

854
00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:15,320
Speaker 1: She was and she was right about her point, and

855
00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:18,000
Speaker 1: I feel like I have a point too, and I

856
00:49:18,200 --> 00:49:21,560
Speaker 1: just like ultimately got to hey, I'm sorry that I'm

857
00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:24,719
Speaker 1: getting so charged. It's obviously a very traumatic topic for

858
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:27,680
Speaker 1: me because of my own experience, and I do they're

859
00:49:27,719 --> 00:49:30,800
Speaker 1: not the same, but I do think there are like something,

860
00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:35,839
Speaker 1: there's something I'm feeling that is triggering me there obviously, um,

861
00:49:36,719 --> 00:49:38,880
Speaker 1: But I also just think as a culture, I just

862
00:49:39,120 --> 00:49:42,040
Speaker 1: I'm like, it feels like an invitation. And this goes

863
00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:43,680
Speaker 1: for me and you too, chip like we need to

864
00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:46,600
Speaker 1: think about what we're saying about these people that we

865
00:49:46,680 --> 00:49:48,920
Speaker 1: don't know about, you know, on this platform, we're just

866
00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:51,640
Speaker 1: having an opinion. And I don't want to do that anymore.

867
00:49:51,960 --> 00:49:56,879
Speaker 1: Like I feel like, as a human having a very

868
00:49:57,040 --> 00:50:01,879
Speaker 1: human experience, which I am and I am far from perfect. Um,

869
00:50:02,520 --> 00:50:05,000
Speaker 1: I want to have that kind of empathy for others

870
00:50:05,080 --> 00:50:07,399
Speaker 1: and even people I don't know, even people that I'm

871
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:11,399
Speaker 1: observing their behavior from Instagram or whatever. Like if I'm

872
00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:13,759
Speaker 1: not in a situation, I don't want to have such

873
00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:17,320
Speaker 1: blanket judgments where I'm poking fun at people's livelihoods and

874
00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:21,000
Speaker 1: their own human experience. Does that make sense? Yeah? No,

875
00:50:21,200 --> 00:50:26,480
Speaker 1: I think that's fair. But I also think, um, you know,

876
00:50:27,960 --> 00:50:33,279
Speaker 1: the world is a stage and I just can't wait

877
00:50:33,560 --> 00:50:35,160
Speaker 1: give it to the world. I think the world is

878
00:50:35,160 --> 00:50:38,640
Speaker 1: a stage. And if you like, if you if people

879
00:50:38,680 --> 00:50:43,000
Speaker 1: are choosing to live their lives publicly, it opens the

880
00:50:43,080 --> 00:50:45,680
Speaker 1: door to that, and I don't think it gives people

881
00:50:45,680 --> 00:50:49,480
Speaker 1: a license to be assholes towards them and be mean.

882
00:50:49,719 --> 00:50:54,080
Speaker 1: But I also think, like, um, you know, it's somewhat

883
00:50:54,160 --> 00:50:58,520
Speaker 1: to be expected. Um I'm not saying like you gotta

884
00:50:58,560 --> 00:51:02,920
Speaker 1: lie down and take it like you can respond like, um,

885
00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:07,400
Speaker 1: you know, like that you could have when it was

886
00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:10,919
Speaker 1: your situation, you could have responded. I mean, I could

887
00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:13,000
Speaker 1: have shown all the text messages to prove the person,

888
00:51:13,400 --> 00:51:16,600
Speaker 1: but whatever. But what I realized was that the person

889
00:51:16,719 --> 00:51:18,760
Speaker 1: that I would be up against is a person who's

890
00:51:18,760 --> 00:51:22,440
Speaker 1: willing to lie and go below the belt and I'm not.

891
00:51:23,120 --> 00:51:26,800
Speaker 1: And so, like, what's the point. I can't control this

892
00:51:27,040 --> 00:51:31,560
Speaker 1: narrative because there's a publicist and a person who are

893
00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:36,320
Speaker 1: so willing to go dirty, and media, the media fucking

894
00:51:36,600 --> 00:51:39,239
Speaker 1: ate it up, like and I don't have experience in

895
00:51:39,320 --> 00:51:42,279
Speaker 1: that either, you know. And so there's a person who's

896
00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:47,160
Speaker 1: a professional at that, and um, and and someone who

897
00:51:48,160 --> 00:51:51,600
Speaker 1: would literally make up a lie and I'm not willing

898
00:51:51,640 --> 00:51:54,880
Speaker 1: to do that, even though I actually had the truth

899
00:51:55,280 --> 00:51:58,400
Speaker 1: in writing, I'm just like, how would I just stray

900
00:51:58,760 --> 00:52:01,560
Speaker 1: to me? The whole thing is just so gross. So anyway, whatever,

901
00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:03,360
Speaker 1: I wish I would have spoken up. Now, I do

902
00:52:03,560 --> 00:52:06,160
Speaker 1: have regret about not saying anything, but I was being

903
00:52:06,280 --> 00:52:08,640
Speaker 1: advised not to, like if I wanted it to go away,

904
00:52:09,200 --> 00:52:11,960
Speaker 1: to just step back and not play her game and whatever,

905
00:52:12,239 --> 00:52:15,000
Speaker 1: and so I do have Maybe I feel like I

906
00:52:15,400 --> 00:52:20,200
Speaker 1: have regret there because I tolerated bad behavior from another

907
00:52:20,320 --> 00:52:24,959
Speaker 1: person and then took this blame and nasty. I've seen

908
00:52:25,040 --> 00:52:27,960
Speaker 1: the side of humans that I wish I had never

909
00:52:28,080 --> 00:52:31,720
Speaker 1: seen based off of that experience, and it really really

910
00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:36,960
Speaker 1: um it was just bad and gross. But anyway, so

911
00:52:37,200 --> 00:52:38,840
Speaker 1: if I could go back, yeah, I would say I

912
00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:42,680
Speaker 1: would have responded um. But I also was so upset

913
00:52:42,880 --> 00:52:45,080
Speaker 1: that I felt like I would give an emotional reaction,

914
00:52:45,320 --> 00:52:48,160
Speaker 1: Like I was so upset as a friend and as

915
00:52:48,280 --> 00:52:50,640
Speaker 1: a person who was told that this would never happen

916
00:52:50,719 --> 00:52:53,080
Speaker 1: and I was safe and I would be I could

917
00:52:53,320 --> 00:52:56,920
Speaker 1: I could trust her and her team, you know, like

918
00:52:57,200 --> 00:52:59,560
Speaker 1: that wasn't how that was handled and so I was

919
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:02,880
Speaker 1: set like I don't and I'm just like I can't.

920
00:53:03,520 --> 00:53:05,880
Speaker 1: People would say, maybe you should have known better. I

921
00:53:05,920 --> 00:53:08,120
Speaker 1: guess I should have. That wasn't the side that had

922
00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:12,040
Speaker 1: ever seen personally, and so, um, I give people too

923
00:53:12,160 --> 00:53:16,040
Speaker 1: much trust or whatever. It's very naive of me. I've

924
00:53:16,160 --> 00:53:21,240
Speaker 1: learned since. But anyway, whatever, because of that experience, obviously

925
00:53:21,360 --> 00:53:25,200
Speaker 1: have different traumas around this, and I just wish that

926
00:53:25,280 --> 00:53:28,520
Speaker 1: we would do better as a culture. And I don't

927
00:53:28,640 --> 00:53:31,759
Speaker 1: think because someone opens themselves up that gives people the

928
00:53:31,920 --> 00:53:36,440
Speaker 1: right to be mean, Like like I've now told very

929
00:53:36,560 --> 00:53:40,879
Speaker 1: personal stories on the podcast and um, and I even

930
00:53:41,080 --> 00:53:44,000
Speaker 1: have felt lately like very exposed and like did I

931
00:53:44,080 --> 00:53:46,560
Speaker 1: do the right thing by saying that? And I'm like, yes,

932
00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:48,960
Speaker 1: because I did right about myself to be an authentic

933
00:53:49,120 --> 00:53:53,000
Speaker 1: person and if I'm helping one person, it's worth it

934
00:53:53,160 --> 00:53:55,600
Speaker 1: to me. But it doesn't mean the assholes that have

935
00:53:55,760 --> 00:53:57,880
Speaker 1: comments about me or make judgments about me because I

936
00:53:57,920 --> 00:54:00,880
Speaker 1: talked about my recovery journey doesn't hurt and it doesn't

937
00:54:00,920 --> 00:54:03,880
Speaker 1: make me want to not do it. It's like a

938
00:54:03,920 --> 00:54:08,439
Speaker 1: battle every day. Yeah, So anyway, I mean, Will Smith

939
00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:11,000
Speaker 1: is different. He's an actor, but it's like he's really

940
00:54:11,040 --> 00:54:13,520
Speaker 1: good at it. So is he just not supposed to

941
00:54:13,560 --> 00:54:15,760
Speaker 1: go do the thing that he's really talented and gifted

942
00:54:15,800 --> 00:54:19,680
Speaker 1: at because people are assholes? Do you see what I'm saying? No,

943
00:54:20,040 --> 00:54:22,919
Speaker 1: I just think he's not supposed to slap people. Yeah,

944
00:54:23,160 --> 00:54:28,480
Speaker 1: it's like, um and and look I do I understand

945
00:54:29,040 --> 00:54:34,400
Speaker 1: um that there are nuances because of his race and

946
00:54:35,560 --> 00:54:39,560
Speaker 1: um and and being about a wife and up being

947
00:54:39,600 --> 00:54:41,759
Speaker 1: about a wife and like me of me sitting in

948
00:54:42,080 --> 00:54:46,239
Speaker 1: a position as a white man, like, um, you know, there,

949
00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:49,680
Speaker 1: there's there's It was also viewed as an act of

950
00:54:49,760 --> 00:54:52,480
Speaker 1: valor in some ways, like I get all of it,

951
00:54:52,719 --> 00:54:55,759
Speaker 1: but I think, Um, the point that I want to

952
00:54:55,840 --> 00:55:00,360
Speaker 1: make is it's sad for everybody. Let's observe it and

953
00:55:00,520 --> 00:55:04,360
Speaker 1: learn from it, and um use it as a teachable moment,

954
00:55:04,600 --> 00:55:09,440
Speaker 1: not just fucking have an opinion, because you know what

955
00:55:10,280 --> 00:55:13,920
Speaker 1: opinions are like assholes. Everyone has one, yes, you know,

956
00:55:14,080 --> 00:55:16,960
Speaker 1: and it's like it's fine, we should We are all

957
00:55:17,200 --> 00:55:22,080
Speaker 1: entitled to our opinion. Birk about it useless unless you

958
00:55:22,239 --> 00:55:25,279
Speaker 1: want to do something constructive with it. Yes, what a

959
00:55:25,360 --> 00:55:27,600
Speaker 1: good way to say that. I love that? That is

960
00:55:27,680 --> 00:55:30,480
Speaker 1: really that's you're exactly right. Like that to me is

961
00:55:30,560 --> 00:55:32,640
Speaker 1: what's driving me crazy is like if you're just gonna

962
00:55:32,680 --> 00:55:36,719
Speaker 1: go post about violence is never the answer, Like okay, cool,

963
00:55:37,120 --> 00:55:40,520
Speaker 1: but like what else? Give us some resources? Then give

964
00:55:40,640 --> 00:55:44,120
Speaker 1: us something like like what are you doing with your opinion?

965
00:55:44,280 --> 00:55:47,279
Speaker 1: Like you said, and if you're do using it for

966
00:55:47,480 --> 00:55:52,279
Speaker 1: something in like an educational purpose or um, you want

967
00:55:52,320 --> 00:55:55,200
Speaker 1: to tell your story of why violence affected you. I

968
00:55:55,239 --> 00:55:57,759
Speaker 1: can get on board with all of that, and I'm

969
00:55:57,800 --> 00:56:01,000
Speaker 1: not trying to downplay that this is not the answer.

970
00:56:01,280 --> 00:56:03,400
Speaker 1: I don't I don't want to come across like that.

971
00:56:03,920 --> 00:56:05,960
Speaker 1: But I think what's driving me crazy is all of

972
00:56:06,040 --> 00:56:12,000
Speaker 1: these uninformed opinions, um, without any purpose. You're that was

973
00:56:12,160 --> 00:56:14,439
Speaker 1: such a good point. I love you for that. Thank

974
00:56:14,480 --> 00:56:17,560
Speaker 1: you for having resolved that in my brain, a very

975
00:56:17,640 --> 00:56:20,480
Speaker 1: triggered brain is having a really hard time even understanding

976
00:56:20,520 --> 00:56:24,440
Speaker 1: why I've been so upset about this. Yeah, well good.

977
00:56:24,480 --> 00:56:26,920
Speaker 1: I hope you feel better about it, and I hope

978
00:56:26,960 --> 00:56:29,000
Speaker 1: that you know all those who are involved and who

979
00:56:29,000 --> 00:56:32,120
Speaker 1: have been triggered get their help too. You know, did

980
00:56:32,160 --> 00:56:34,520
Speaker 1: I just go to therapy camp? Yeah? It was this

981
00:56:34,680 --> 00:56:41,560
Speaker 1: tips therapy anything your flute while you were there? Little

982
00:56:41,640 --> 00:56:47,799
Speaker 1: do you know? Susan Braden would be so by the way,

983
00:56:48,120 --> 00:56:51,680
Speaker 1: Susan Braden eve on meat God for good to tell

984
00:56:51,760 --> 00:56:54,120
Speaker 1: you this. She emailed me to check in on my

985
00:56:54,239 --> 00:56:56,880
Speaker 1: Jamaican vacation and to check in and see if I

986
00:56:56,960 --> 00:56:59,880
Speaker 1: had gone any action. I was so actually sad to

987
00:57:00,040 --> 00:57:04,120
Speaker 1: tell her no, I hate to hate to burst your

988
00:57:04,120 --> 00:57:11,880
Speaker 1: bubble sues, but nothing happened anyway. I just needed to

989
00:57:12,040 --> 00:57:17,600
Speaker 1: laugh and let's have a deep breath. Anyway, Sending all

990
00:57:17,680 --> 00:57:21,320
Speaker 1: the love and light to Chris, to Will, to everyone involved. Jada,

991
00:57:22,040 --> 00:57:23,840
Speaker 1: she's getting a little left out of this equation too.

992
00:57:23,880 --> 00:57:26,440
Speaker 1: I'm sure it was very traumatic on her. There's a

993
00:57:26,480 --> 00:57:29,720
Speaker 1: lot to deal with for her too. So anyway, let's

994
00:57:29,880 --> 00:57:31,880
Speaker 1: just be nice to each other. I'm so tired of

995
00:57:31,960 --> 00:57:34,120
Speaker 1: the divisiveness. I think that's the other thing. It's like,

996
00:57:34,280 --> 00:57:38,000
Speaker 1: can't we all get along? Well you know that. For that,

997
00:57:38,400 --> 00:57:40,080
Speaker 1: I think you do need to go crawl in the

998
00:57:40,200 --> 00:57:44,480
Speaker 1: hole and cook your food or whatever you said, because

999
00:57:44,600 --> 00:57:47,120
Speaker 1: it's just the world is such a ship show right now,

1000
00:57:47,320 --> 00:57:52,640
Speaker 1: like it really is. Will Smith slapping people like yeah,

1001
00:57:53,400 --> 00:57:56,000
Speaker 1: I mean fucking Will Smith. It's so mad that he

1002
00:57:56,120 --> 00:57:59,040
Speaker 1: slapped some bobby with the fresh Prince of l Air

1003
00:57:59,520 --> 00:58:05,040
Speaker 1: really like truly this don't understand? Would you say, just

1004
00:58:05,280 --> 00:58:10,480
Speaker 1: don't understand? No, I just missed the days of like

1005
00:58:10,840 --> 00:58:13,600
Speaker 1: watching Carlton do the dance and Will Smith living with

1006
00:58:13,680 --> 00:58:16,720
Speaker 1: Aunt Viv. You know, it's just like, where are those

1007
00:58:16,840 --> 00:58:20,360
Speaker 1: days when life was easy and you're just watching the

1008
00:58:20,400 --> 00:58:24,880
Speaker 1: Fresh Prince of bel Air on a Saturday? All right,

1009
00:58:25,560 --> 00:58:27,760
Speaker 1: you guys, I mean if you send us opinions on

1010
00:58:27,800 --> 00:58:32,960
Speaker 1: this one, please be gentle. Okay, if I say my truth,

1011
00:58:33,360 --> 00:58:36,400
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get canceled. Everyone's gonna be like Kelly's condoning

1012
00:58:36,520 --> 00:58:40,240
Speaker 1: violence now. And it's like, I'm not at all, um,

1013
00:58:40,680 --> 00:58:42,920
Speaker 1: But yeah, I just think there's more to this story,

1014
00:58:43,080 --> 00:58:44,920
Speaker 1: and I get really upset when Will is the only

1015
00:58:44,960 --> 00:58:49,960
Speaker 1: one being talked about. Okay, I feel better. Do you

1016
00:58:50,000 --> 00:58:53,440
Speaker 1: feel any better? Yeah? I feel good. I feel like

1017
00:58:53,480 --> 00:58:56,280
Speaker 1: you're reading emails right now, so let you go check in,

1018
00:58:56,640 --> 00:59:00,680
Speaker 1: and because you're done with this with the convo, let

1019
00:59:00,720 --> 00:59:05,120
Speaker 1: me drop my bike. I feel good about it. Like, look,

1020
00:59:05,200 --> 00:59:08,200
Speaker 1: I think he's not getting canceled. So anyone who's like

1021
00:59:08,760 --> 00:59:11,720
Speaker 1: rage rage rageful typing right now on Twitter to cancel

1022
00:59:11,880 --> 00:59:15,400
Speaker 1: Will Smith is wasting their pot. If you're rageful typing,

1023
00:59:15,440 --> 00:59:17,480
Speaker 1: you're actually doing the same thing as Will Smith. So

1024
00:59:17,640 --> 00:59:21,560
Speaker 1: like right looking in here. Um, all right, let's all

1025
00:59:21,640 --> 00:59:23,400
Speaker 1: just do better and try to be kind to each

1026
00:59:23,400 --> 00:59:28,280
Speaker 1: other and let each other Uh well, I mean, I

1027
00:59:28,360 --> 00:59:30,480
Speaker 1: don't want us to make mistakes, but when we make mistakes,

1028
00:59:30,560 --> 00:59:33,440
Speaker 1: let's let each other have the opportunity to make it right. Well,

1029
00:59:33,600 --> 00:59:37,040
Speaker 1: we are going to make mistakes. We are because we're human.

1030
00:59:37,400 --> 00:59:40,160
Speaker 1: It's a part of the human experience. But you can

1031
00:59:40,240 --> 00:59:42,160
Speaker 1: do things to make it right if you do so,

1032
00:59:42,880 --> 00:59:45,680
Speaker 1: it's acknowledge our mistakes and own them and keep trying

1033
00:59:45,720 --> 00:59:47,880
Speaker 1: to do better. We're going to keep trying to do better.

1034
00:59:48,560 --> 00:59:50,880
Speaker 1: And you know, as you guys go out into this

1035
00:59:51,000 --> 00:59:55,920
Speaker 1: weekend with this new mentality, but you're still living on

1036
00:59:56,000 --> 01:00:00,680
Speaker 1: the edge. I hope you always remember to act casual. God,

1037
01:00:00,720 --> 01:00:03,160
Speaker 1: Will smiths you to just act casually. God is a

1038
01:00:03,560 --> 01:00:09,120
Speaker 1: lesson started listening to us well, Wisten in this podcast. Yeah, yeah,

1039
01:00:09,120 --> 01:00:11,760
Speaker 1: I'm sure Holy really is gonna He's gonna learn a

1040
01:00:11,800 --> 01:00:15,200
Speaker 1: lot about it. He really is the edge. Okay, alright,

1041
01:00:15,280 --> 01:00:16,320
Speaker 1: I love you, guys, say