1 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:15,120 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Do you have a particular 2 00:00:15,240 --> 00:00:19,040 Speaker 1: picture of your child, or your niece, or your nephew, 3 00:00:20,280 --> 00:00:26,480 Speaker 1: your grandchild, a little sister brother that is especially dear 4 00:00:26,880 --> 00:00:30,080 Speaker 1: to you? Because I do, And as I'm talking, I 5 00:00:30,080 --> 00:00:34,360 Speaker 1: can think about pictures of the twins, specific pictures I've 6 00:00:34,360 --> 00:00:39,360 Speaker 1: taken over the years. They're thirteen now that are etched 7 00:00:39,400 --> 00:00:42,920 Speaker 1: in my memory. Well, I've got another picture etched in 8 00:00:43,040 --> 00:00:48,320 Speaker 1: my memory. It's a four year old little girl out 9 00:00:48,320 --> 00:00:54,000 Speaker 1: of North Carolina. Her name is Magela Young, four years old, 10 00:00:54,160 --> 00:01:03,800 Speaker 1: nicknamed Jelly. I'm never I'm gonna forget her face. I, 11 00:01:04,040 --> 00:01:07,800 Speaker 1: like many people that love her, will never get to 12 00:01:07,840 --> 00:01:13,600 Speaker 1: see her grow up. I guess unless I do an 13 00:01:13,600 --> 00:01:28,880 Speaker 1: age progression photo. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, we cover 14 00:01:29,120 --> 00:01:35,440 Speaker 1: crime and justice, unsolved homicides, missing people every single day, 15 00:01:36,760 --> 00:01:42,959 Speaker 1: and the hope that we can bring about change. And 16 00:01:43,120 --> 00:01:47,960 Speaker 1: let's start with Jelly. Take a listen to our friends 17 00:01:48,560 --> 00:01:54,120 Speaker 1: at the Charlotte Metrod. This investigation became began early Friday morning, 18 00:01:54,120 --> 00:01:57,000 Speaker 1: about four o'clock in the morning, officers were called out 19 00:01:57,040 --> 00:01:59,640 Speaker 1: to residence in the twenty seven hundred block of Branden Driving. 20 00:02:00,560 --> 00:02:02,760 Speaker 1: Someone reported that they believe that a four year old 21 00:02:02,800 --> 00:02:07,440 Speaker 1: girl had been missing for some time. We got the 22 00:02:07,800 --> 00:02:12,800 Speaker 1: Dignity investigation. This four year old victim, Magelic Young, we 23 00:02:12,800 --> 00:02:15,560 Speaker 1: can identify for you now. People who knew and loved 24 00:02:15,560 --> 00:02:18,400 Speaker 1: her knew her as Jelly, had not been seen since 25 00:02:18,440 --> 00:02:22,399 Speaker 1: going to visit her mother last September. Specifically, that's Lieutenant 26 00:02:22,440 --> 00:02:27,360 Speaker 1: Bryant Crumb speaking there from the Charlotte metropd chake A. 27 00:02:27,400 --> 00:02:29,959 Speaker 1: Listen to more of what Lieutenant Crumb has to say. 28 00:02:30,120 --> 00:02:33,120 Speaker 1: So when officers get to the house, they speak with 29 00:02:33,200 --> 00:02:36,840 Speaker 1: a resident there, they start having some concerns about the 30 00:02:36,880 --> 00:02:40,560 Speaker 1: information that they're getting. They contact the Missing Persons Unit, 31 00:02:40,760 --> 00:02:44,840 Speaker 1: who initiates a missing person's investigation to find out where 32 00:02:44,919 --> 00:02:48,760 Speaker 1: Magelic is. Very quickly, they became concerned that there may 33 00:02:48,760 --> 00:02:52,440 Speaker 1: be foul play involved, so they contacted the homicide unit, 34 00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:54,840 Speaker 1: and we also brought in the Crimes against Children units. 35 00:02:54,880 --> 00:02:57,760 Speaker 1: So this is really a full core press to find 36 00:02:57,760 --> 00:02:59,880 Speaker 1: out where Magelic was. We knew we needed to the 37 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:02,960 Speaker 1: hermine where she was at. Certainly, that's concerning when no 38 00:03:02,960 --> 00:03:05,480 Speaker 1: one can account for a child for that period of time. 39 00:03:05,680 --> 00:03:10,720 Speaker 1: How does a child just seemingly disappear and nobody knows 40 00:03:10,760 --> 00:03:14,919 Speaker 1: for weeks and weeks that she hasn't been seen thinking 41 00:03:14,919 --> 00:03:20,640 Speaker 1: about four year old Magelic young. How does time pass? 42 00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:25,919 Speaker 1: And nobody notices she's gone? Where's Mommy, Where's daddy? Where's 43 00:03:25,960 --> 00:03:29,480 Speaker 1: Grandma or auntie, brothers, sister? Where are they? Where's the neighbors? 44 00:03:29,680 --> 00:03:32,080 Speaker 1: Where are the people at church or at school or 45 00:03:32,120 --> 00:03:39,520 Speaker 1: at camp? Nobody notices she's not at the supper table 46 00:03:39,560 --> 00:03:42,720 Speaker 1: at night. She doesn't run into the kitchen in the morning. 47 00:03:44,080 --> 00:03:47,720 Speaker 1: Does that strike you odd? It strikes me as a 48 00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:53,040 Speaker 1: lot more than odd. Again, I'm Nancy Grace's Crime Stories. 49 00:03:53,080 --> 00:03:54,920 Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us at Fox Nation and 50 00:03:55,040 --> 00:03:57,720 Speaker 1: series Sex and one eleven. Let me introduce to you 51 00:03:57,760 --> 00:04:01,040 Speaker 1: an all start panel of experts to break it down 52 00:04:01,040 --> 00:04:04,440 Speaker 1: and put it back together again. Wendy Patrick, California prosecutor, 53 00:04:04,480 --> 00:04:08,440 Speaker 1: author of Red Flags. You can find her at Wendy Patrick, PhD. 54 00:04:08,600 --> 00:04:12,279 Speaker 1: And on Today with Doctor Wendy, And that's at CASEBQ, 55 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:18,760 Speaker 1: San Diego. Doctor Joy Krasen, police psychologist, faculty Saint Leo University, 56 00:04:19,120 --> 00:04:24,760 Speaker 1: research consultant and author of Operation s OS Practical Recommendations 57 00:04:24,800 --> 00:04:29,800 Speaker 1: to help stop officer suicide. Doctor Michelle Duprie, well known 58 00:04:29,839 --> 00:04:35,440 Speaker 1: forensic pathologist, former medical examiner, author of Homicide Investigation Field Guide, 59 00:04:35,560 --> 00:04:39,960 Speaker 1: and to top it all off, former police detective Karen Smith, 60 00:04:40,200 --> 00:04:45,400 Speaker 1: forensic expert, lecturer University of Florida, founder and star of 61 00:04:45,560 --> 00:04:50,680 Speaker 1: Shattered Souls podcasts. And you can find her at Karen's Forensics. 62 00:04:51,520 --> 00:04:55,800 Speaker 1: Chish Williford akor reporter WCCB Charlotte. You can find her 63 00:04:55,839 --> 00:05:00,880 Speaker 1: at Chiswilliford dot com and Very Special US joining us 64 00:05:01,080 --> 00:05:09,000 Speaker 1: Lucille Puckett activists who has spoken in depth with this 65 00:05:09,120 --> 00:05:12,839 Speaker 1: child's father. I want to go first to you, Chris Williford, 66 00:05:13,080 --> 00:05:19,800 Speaker 1: joining US WCCB Charlotte. What leads police to go to 67 00:05:19,839 --> 00:05:23,839 Speaker 1: the home where we believe Jelly have been living. There 68 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:29,080 Speaker 1: will have been phone calls. A member of DSS call 69 00:05:29,279 --> 00:05:36,520 Speaker 1: nine and said, please go find little Magellic Young. Had 70 00:05:36,640 --> 00:05:42,120 Speaker 1: nobody reported her missing, Chris Williford, because that's where I 71 00:05:42,240 --> 00:05:46,279 Speaker 1: looked to mommy and daddy, Grandma, auntie, uncle. They didn't 72 00:05:46,320 --> 00:05:50,960 Speaker 1: report her missing. And now we're hearing reports where the 73 00:05:51,080 --> 00:05:57,200 Speaker 1: child's father pleaded with CMPD. We're hearing reports from family 74 00:05:57,240 --> 00:06:01,360 Speaker 1: members that the child's father reached out to the media, 75 00:06:01,600 --> 00:06:06,159 Speaker 1: possibly even DSS. But it wasn't until nine months later 76 00:06:08,240 --> 00:06:14,400 Speaker 1: that a DSS worker asked police to go and check 77 00:06:14,440 --> 00:06:18,440 Speaker 1: on the welfare of this child at the Northwest Charlotte home. 78 00:06:18,560 --> 00:06:23,479 Speaker 1: Chris Willafir, WCCB, you said CMPD, I sim you're referring 79 00:06:23,520 --> 00:06:27,680 Speaker 1: to Charlotte Metre Police Department, Charlotte Mecklenburg Police, Michael Okay? 80 00:06:27,920 --> 00:06:32,800 Speaker 1: And did I also get it correct? Nine months past 81 00:06:33,360 --> 00:06:38,080 Speaker 1: after daddy raises the alarm, raises the flag before anyone 82 00:06:38,120 --> 00:06:42,320 Speaker 1: went to investigate. Apparently that that was the situation, because 83 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:47,640 Speaker 1: you know occurred. According to the search warrants, Magelic began 84 00:06:47,880 --> 00:06:52,080 Speaker 1: living with her mother, Malika Bennett, in August of twenty twenty. 85 00:06:52,200 --> 00:06:55,719 Speaker 1: When was she last scene? Do we know that the 86 00:06:55,839 --> 00:06:58,640 Speaker 1: last date she was seen by anybody outside of that home? 87 00:06:58,680 --> 00:07:01,440 Speaker 1: It was in August of twenty twenty. Guys, just who 88 00:07:01,720 --> 00:07:05,800 Speaker 1: is this beautiful little girl that's stuck in my head 89 00:07:05,839 --> 00:07:09,400 Speaker 1: now forever? Take a listen to our friends at crime Online. 90 00:07:09,400 --> 00:07:13,920 Speaker 1: I'm smart, happy diva who loved lip gloss and unicorns. 91 00:07:13,960 --> 00:07:17,400 Speaker 1: That's how family members describe Magellic Young. The four year 92 00:07:17,400 --> 00:07:20,840 Speaker 1: old's aunts say the little girl also loved pancakes, and 93 00:07:20,960 --> 00:07:23,400 Speaker 1: she and her cousins who were as close as siblings 94 00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:27,800 Speaker 1: would get syrup everywhere whenever they had them. Magelic's parents 95 00:07:27,880 --> 00:07:30,960 Speaker 1: shared custody and last fall it was time for a 96 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:33,400 Speaker 1: swamp and I don't like where it's going at all. 97 00:07:33,480 --> 00:07:37,640 Speaker 1: And just thinking about this little girl, smart, happy, I 98 00:07:37,800 --> 00:07:40,880 Speaker 1: quote Diva, and I assume that's meant in the best 99 00:07:40,920 --> 00:07:47,000 Speaker 1: light possible. Who loves lip gloss and unicorns. That reminds 100 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:49,840 Speaker 1: me so much of my little girl. And my son 101 00:07:50,400 --> 00:07:54,800 Speaker 1: loves pancakes and no matter where he eats, you will 102 00:07:54,840 --> 00:07:59,200 Speaker 1: find syrup in CRuMs not far away. Just thinking about 103 00:07:59,240 --> 00:08:04,640 Speaker 1: this all American little girl nickname Jelly, and I'm looking 104 00:08:04,640 --> 00:08:08,320 Speaker 1: at her picture right now. She has got the most 105 00:08:08,600 --> 00:08:14,320 Speaker 1: beautiful braids in her hair, all matching, of course, big 106 00:08:14,560 --> 00:08:32,400 Speaker 1: brown eyes and perfect little smile. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. 107 00:08:34,160 --> 00:08:39,120 Speaker 1: We're talking about a four year old little girl nicknamed Jelly, 108 00:08:40,600 --> 00:08:43,720 Speaker 1: and I can tell by looking at her bottom teeth 109 00:08:44,760 --> 00:08:52,040 Speaker 1: she hasn't even gotten all of her grown up teeth yet. Guys, 110 00:08:52,320 --> 00:08:57,600 Speaker 1: I want you to take a listen to our friends 111 00:08:57,920 --> 00:09:02,439 Speaker 1: at Fox forty six. But first I find that highly, 112 00:09:02,520 --> 00:09:07,240 Speaker 1: highly unusual too. Wendy Patrick, California, prosecutor, author of red Flags. 113 00:09:07,320 --> 00:09:09,960 Speaker 1: I just don't understand how a child can quote slip 114 00:09:10,120 --> 00:09:14,000 Speaker 1: through the cracks of the system when the alarm has 115 00:09:14,040 --> 00:09:17,560 Speaker 1: been sound it takes nine months to go check. The 116 00:09:17,640 --> 00:09:21,320 Speaker 1: reality is, let's get real, Wandy. A child doesn't fall 117 00:09:21,440 --> 00:09:26,600 Speaker 1: through the cracks. Somebody screws up. Somebody screwed up when 118 00:09:26,640 --> 00:09:29,520 Speaker 1: the dads started looking for her and did not do 119 00:09:29,720 --> 00:09:35,040 Speaker 1: their job. That's not wholves felt through the cracks somebody. 120 00:09:35,800 --> 00:09:38,480 Speaker 1: That's right, man. The children do not fall through the cracks, 121 00:09:38,559 --> 00:09:41,360 Speaker 1: even when they're four. Now, initially people say, oh, a 122 00:09:41,400 --> 00:09:43,439 Speaker 1: four year old, they're not showing up to work every 123 00:09:43,520 --> 00:09:47,320 Speaker 1: day or necessarily even school at that age. Nonetheless, there 124 00:09:47,360 --> 00:09:50,679 Speaker 1: are friends, family, siblings, there are so many other ways 125 00:09:50,679 --> 00:09:54,680 Speaker 1: to keep track of children, even if they themselves aren't 126 00:09:54,800 --> 00:09:59,040 Speaker 1: regularly appearing in some outside location. And that would especially 127 00:09:59,080 --> 00:10:02,160 Speaker 1: be true with lots of children in the house. And 128 00:10:02,200 --> 00:10:04,720 Speaker 1: then add to that, Nancy, the reality that the fathers 129 00:10:04,760 --> 00:10:07,880 Speaker 1: already sounded the alarm. So you have lots of facts 130 00:10:07,880 --> 00:10:11,120 Speaker 1: and circumstances here that should have led to action much 131 00:10:11,280 --> 00:10:15,800 Speaker 1: sooner than it did. Rish Williford, WCCB Charlotte. This was 132 00:10:15,880 --> 00:10:21,360 Speaker 1: in August. But when do students go back to school 133 00:10:22,559 --> 00:10:25,360 Speaker 1: in North Carolina? They go back to school in August? 134 00:10:25,600 --> 00:10:27,679 Speaker 1: So at age five, wouldn't she had been going to 135 00:10:27,760 --> 00:10:30,200 Speaker 1: pre K? Isn't there mandatory pre k? You should have 136 00:10:30,200 --> 00:10:34,320 Speaker 1: been okay, she should have been in school. And nobody 137 00:10:34,559 --> 00:10:39,440 Speaker 1: from the school said, hey, Jelly's not here, whereas Magellica young. 138 00:10:40,120 --> 00:10:43,800 Speaker 1: Our understanding is no one from the school system sounded 139 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:48,439 Speaker 1: the alarm saying that little Jelly was not in school? 140 00:10:49,240 --> 00:10:53,280 Speaker 1: What is going on in North Carolina? Don't they have 141 00:10:53,280 --> 00:10:55,640 Speaker 1: a school roster? For Pete's sake? I mean, am I 142 00:10:55,720 --> 00:10:59,320 Speaker 1: missing something? Was she not registered? Did nobody knows? She 143 00:10:59,360 --> 00:11:03,199 Speaker 1: should be in at least K or pre K at 144 00:11:03,200 --> 00:11:05,920 Speaker 1: age four years old? She should have been registered for 145 00:11:06,040 --> 00:11:10,320 Speaker 1: free K And no neighbors, nobody at church, a babysitter 146 00:11:10,400 --> 00:11:13,199 Speaker 1: and auntie and nothing. Nobody said a word. And then 147 00:11:13,200 --> 00:11:17,400 Speaker 1: when dad did say something, police didn't go. I do 148 00:11:17,440 --> 00:11:20,319 Speaker 1: I understand that, correct, Lucy old Pucket. Well, Jelly was 149 00:11:20,400 --> 00:11:23,720 Speaker 1: just four and she it was, and it's during COVID 150 00:11:23,920 --> 00:11:28,040 Speaker 1: so it was a different kind of setting this last 151 00:11:28,080 --> 00:11:31,480 Speaker 1: past year. She was not yet due in school. She 152 00:11:31,559 --> 00:11:35,160 Speaker 1: did not mandatorily attack to be enrolled in school. Okay, yeah, 153 00:11:35,200 --> 00:11:37,679 Speaker 1: all right, I see that. I see that. You're right. 154 00:11:37,760 --> 00:11:44,800 Speaker 1: During COVID, okay, guys, police finally go to the scene 155 00:11:45,080 --> 00:11:48,880 Speaker 1: where Jelly was last seen. Take a listen to our 156 00:11:48,920 --> 00:11:52,199 Speaker 1: friends at crime online dot com, Jelly Young was lasting 157 00:11:52,320 --> 00:11:55,560 Speaker 1: live in September of last year. Over the next few months, 158 00:11:55,640 --> 00:11:59,920 Speaker 1: Young's father voiced concerns to authorities and Malika Diane Bell. 159 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:02,120 Speaker 1: It was asked about her daughter, she would say the 160 00:12:02,120 --> 00:12:05,080 Speaker 1: four year old was with another family member. Yet as 161 00:12:05,120 --> 00:12:08,360 Speaker 1: the months pass, Bennett is very active on social media, 162 00:12:08,440 --> 00:12:11,559 Speaker 1: acting if she doesn't know where Magelic is. A Child 163 00:12:11,559 --> 00:12:14,959 Speaker 1: Protective Services caseworker called nine one one and police are 164 00:12:14,960 --> 00:12:18,280 Speaker 1: sent to perform a welfare check in May Belief Say 165 00:12:18,360 --> 00:12:21,720 Speaker 1: Bennett tells them she dropped Magelic off with another relative 166 00:12:21,760 --> 00:12:25,400 Speaker 1: in August and has not seen her since. To Trisha Williford, 167 00:12:25,440 --> 00:12:30,280 Speaker 1: anchor reporter WCCB Charlotte, what does that mean? Our friends 168 00:12:30,280 --> 00:12:34,400 Speaker 1: at crime online, say mom sends some Jelly to some 169 00:12:34,480 --> 00:12:37,600 Speaker 1: relatives on her side, some of her blood relatives, but 170 00:12:37,679 --> 00:12:40,760 Speaker 1: then she goes on social media, where she's very active 171 00:12:40,960 --> 00:12:43,160 Speaker 1: and acts as if she doesn't know where Jelly is. 172 00:12:43,200 --> 00:12:46,000 Speaker 1: What was she putting online? She was posting a lot 173 00:12:46,040 --> 00:12:52,400 Speaker 1: of pictures of her self posing in her front yard. 174 00:12:52,520 --> 00:12:56,600 Speaker 1: It appears just, you know, seemingly going on with her 175 00:12:56,640 --> 00:13:00,480 Speaker 1: life as if nothing had happened. Now, let me understand 176 00:13:01,200 --> 00:13:05,840 Speaker 1: before I chear up the mom. The mom is saying, 177 00:13:06,080 --> 00:13:10,840 Speaker 1: Jelly's with relatives. So if she's with relatives, why should 178 00:13:10,880 --> 00:13:15,320 Speaker 1: she be concerned? Or are you saying cops are looking 179 00:13:15,320 --> 00:13:20,000 Speaker 1: for Jelly. Mom can't locate Jelly and she's not concerned. 180 00:13:20,360 --> 00:13:24,920 Speaker 1: During the times of these posts, we understand that the 181 00:13:25,040 --> 00:13:30,439 Speaker 1: child's father had been trying to go to different homes 182 00:13:31,000 --> 00:13:36,280 Speaker 1: to locate Malika Benett and had been going to police 183 00:13:36,320 --> 00:13:40,680 Speaker 1: to ask for help. At the same time, Malika is 184 00:13:40,720 --> 00:13:45,160 Speaker 1: saying she's with other relatives, got it, And so nobody 185 00:13:45,160 --> 00:13:48,000 Speaker 1: can quite pin down where is the baby? And nobody 186 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:50,800 Speaker 1: can pin dead down? Yeah to you, doctor Jerry Cross 187 00:13:50,920 --> 00:13:55,480 Speaker 1: in Psychologists Faculty, Saint Leo University. Sounds a lot like 188 00:13:55,840 --> 00:13:59,520 Speaker 1: another case we all are familiar with, and that would 189 00:13:59,559 --> 00:14:05,199 Speaker 1: be taught Mom Casey Anthony. Remember everybody's looking for little Kelly. 190 00:14:05,559 --> 00:14:08,920 Speaker 1: And finally tot Mom Casey Anthony says, oh, yeah, I've 191 00:14:08,960 --> 00:14:13,560 Speaker 1: been looking for her too. She's with the babysitter Zenata Gonzalez. Yeah, 192 00:14:13,640 --> 00:14:17,040 Speaker 1: but which was entirely not true. Very similar here, and 193 00:14:17,120 --> 00:14:20,000 Speaker 1: you noticed at some point in time mother does come 194 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:23,080 Speaker 1: out with that kind of a response, like, you know, 195 00:14:23,840 --> 00:14:26,440 Speaker 1: I gave her to somebody and she's been gone now. 196 00:14:26,680 --> 00:14:29,000 Speaker 1: I think it was what several months she gave her 197 00:14:29,040 --> 00:14:31,760 Speaker 1: and she's still not concerned about where the child is 198 00:14:32,120 --> 00:14:35,840 Speaker 1: or any physical you know, eyes on. So, Wendy Patrick, 199 00:14:35,920 --> 00:14:38,200 Speaker 1: why can't we just haul mommy in and say what aunt? 200 00:14:38,560 --> 00:14:41,280 Speaker 1: What home? Where'd you leave her? Yeah, as soon as 201 00:14:41,280 --> 00:14:43,840 Speaker 1: you find out that she potentially is a suspect, that's 202 00:14:43,920 --> 00:14:46,800 Speaker 1: normally what exactly you would expect to happen and start 203 00:14:46,840 --> 00:14:49,520 Speaker 1: asking questions right away. And so one of the things 204 00:14:49,560 --> 00:14:52,000 Speaker 1: I'm sure, at least I hope we're going to determine 205 00:14:52,040 --> 00:14:55,000 Speaker 1: between now and the time we have our next update 206 00:14:55,040 --> 00:14:58,480 Speaker 1: on this is why that wasn't done, because you would 207 00:14:58,520 --> 00:15:00,560 Speaker 1: think that would be one of the first thing she 208 00:15:00,600 --> 00:15:02,960 Speaker 1: would do, not something you do nine months later. Well, 209 00:15:03,480 --> 00:15:05,640 Speaker 1: I also believe it has a little something to do 210 00:15:05,960 --> 00:15:12,320 Speaker 1: with the right to remain silent unless someone If someone 211 00:15:12,480 --> 00:15:15,600 Speaker 1: is on a suspicion and they've been named a target, 212 00:15:15,720 --> 00:15:17,960 Speaker 1: you can't question them without a lawyer if they want one. 213 00:15:18,400 --> 00:15:22,000 Speaker 1: But the mom is telling them upon their questions, she 214 00:15:22,080 --> 00:15:28,200 Speaker 1: took her to a relative. It's not all fitting together 215 00:15:28,240 --> 00:15:31,240 Speaker 1: from a Karen Smith, No, none of us fits together. 216 00:15:31,720 --> 00:15:35,840 Speaker 1: You have a missing four year old that sounds alarm 217 00:15:35,920 --> 00:15:38,720 Speaker 1: bells to law enforcement. If you have the father who 218 00:15:38,760 --> 00:15:41,760 Speaker 1: apparently was calling law enforcement thing, I haven't seen my 219 00:15:41,840 --> 00:15:44,760 Speaker 1: daughter an x amount of time, that should set off 220 00:15:44,760 --> 00:15:46,880 Speaker 1: a red flag for law enforcement to go to the 221 00:15:46,960 --> 00:15:50,280 Speaker 1: last known location of this four year old and say, 222 00:15:50,280 --> 00:15:53,400 Speaker 1: where's Jelly? Where is she? Can you produce her? Give 223 00:15:53,440 --> 00:15:55,160 Speaker 1: us a phone number of where you dropped her off. 224 00:15:55,360 --> 00:15:58,760 Speaker 1: What's the address of where you last saw her? All 225 00:15:58,760 --> 00:16:01,640 Speaker 1: of these things these are dropped. You're so right, and 226 00:16:02,280 --> 00:16:05,040 Speaker 1: it's nothing good. Karen Smith. It reminds me of another 227 00:16:05,120 --> 00:16:10,120 Speaker 1: case we've been covering, called Mom Laurie Vallo, who says, oh, 228 00:16:10,240 --> 00:16:15,560 Speaker 1: JJ and Tiley are with relatives in another state. So 229 00:16:15,840 --> 00:16:18,520 Speaker 1: police leave her home and they go back to the 230 00:16:18,520 --> 00:16:20,680 Speaker 1: station and they call the relatives and the relatives say 231 00:16:20,680 --> 00:16:23,840 Speaker 1: what they're not here. They go back to call it 232 00:16:23,920 --> 00:16:26,640 Speaker 1: my Laurie Vallo's house. The next day, every stick of 233 00:16:26,720 --> 00:16:32,800 Speaker 1: furniture gone along with her, so Lucille Pucket activists and 234 00:16:32,960 --> 00:16:36,120 Speaker 1: founder of Take Back our Hoods, who has been in 235 00:16:36,120 --> 00:16:42,280 Speaker 1: close contact with Jelly's dad. Lucille, do you believe that Mommy, 236 00:16:42,720 --> 00:16:45,800 Speaker 1: she really doesn't even deserve that title, actually tried to 237 00:16:45,800 --> 00:16:49,840 Speaker 1: trick authorities. She did very well, and I think it 238 00:16:49,920 --> 00:16:52,240 Speaker 1: was just the fact that Jelly had lit for her 239 00:16:52,360 --> 00:16:57,120 Speaker 1: day for four years, so Mom had the perfect story elibi. 240 00:16:57,880 --> 00:17:00,800 Speaker 1: She would tell her immediate family the Jelly had went 241 00:17:00,880 --> 00:17:04,119 Speaker 1: back close to her dad, and when Dad was calling 242 00:17:04,200 --> 00:17:08,120 Speaker 1: to speak even speak to see or get Jelly back, 243 00:17:09,320 --> 00:17:11,920 Speaker 1: the mother would say that she's with her family members. 244 00:17:12,200 --> 00:17:15,240 Speaker 1: So she was able to confuse the family or keep 245 00:17:15,280 --> 00:17:18,320 Speaker 1: them divided by saying that Jelly was with one of 246 00:17:18,359 --> 00:17:21,359 Speaker 1: the other families. So authorities really dropped the ball because 247 00:17:21,440 --> 00:17:25,320 Speaker 1: Mom had three charges of child abuse. She had been 248 00:17:25,359 --> 00:17:29,240 Speaker 1: in jail in March of twenty so it really should 249 00:17:29,280 --> 00:17:32,280 Speaker 1: have raised the red flag if someone's acting about another 250 00:17:32,359 --> 00:17:35,720 Speaker 1: channel of hers that hadn't been seen. And every case 251 00:17:35,760 --> 00:17:40,520 Speaker 1: we're talking about, Miss Pucket ends in the worst way. 252 00:17:40,920 --> 00:17:47,320 Speaker 1: Kelly Anthony is found with duct tape around her skull, 253 00:17:47,320 --> 00:17:50,240 Speaker 1: over her mouth and nose. She's skeletonized in her skin 254 00:17:50,359 --> 00:17:56,480 Speaker 1: left and JJ entirely are found buried and called mom 255 00:17:56,520 --> 00:18:02,320 Speaker 1: Laurie Vallo's new husband's backyard. One dismembered and burned, the 256 00:18:02,400 --> 00:18:07,000 Speaker 1: other hermetically sealed and buried. So it's never a good 257 00:18:07,160 --> 00:18:10,960 Speaker 1: ending when Mommy it's lying that we know about about 258 00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:14,360 Speaker 1: where the baby is. Guys, take a listen to this. 259 00:18:14,560 --> 00:18:17,240 Speaker 1: A neighbors, teachers and staff members have made a makeshift 260 00:18:17,280 --> 00:18:20,320 Speaker 1: memorial by placing balloons and teddy bears near where the 261 00:18:20,359 --> 00:18:23,359 Speaker 1: four year old's remains were found. The family actually allowed 262 00:18:23,440 --> 00:18:26,240 Speaker 1: us to see where police discovered her body, and right 263 00:18:26,280 --> 00:18:29,520 Speaker 1: now they're asking the community for prayers. Her neighbors tell 264 00:18:29,560 --> 00:18:31,760 Speaker 1: us they hadn't seen the little girl in several months 265 00:18:31,800 --> 00:18:35,320 Speaker 1: and became worried about her. Investigators arrived to the scene 266 00:18:35,520 --> 00:18:38,280 Speaker 1: last night and say they received several tips that indicated 267 00:18:38,320 --> 00:18:41,600 Speaker 1: file play may have been involved. No police have not 268 00:18:41,760 --> 00:18:44,600 Speaker 1: mentioned how the girl may have died, nor have they 269 00:18:44,640 --> 00:18:47,879 Speaker 1: mentioned a motive. Right now, police are working to identify 270 00:18:47,960 --> 00:18:50,200 Speaker 1: the four year old's remains and say they will release 271 00:18:50,280 --> 00:19:08,520 Speaker 1: her name afterwards. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, we 272 00:19:08,600 --> 00:19:12,600 Speaker 1: are talking about the disappearance of a beautiful four year 273 00:19:12,640 --> 00:19:16,000 Speaker 1: old little girl and I am not going to let 274 00:19:16,040 --> 00:19:21,639 Speaker 1: her case go unnoticed. Why this has not been a 275 00:19:21,800 --> 00:19:27,239 Speaker 1: top story in every national paper and website, I don't know. 276 00:19:29,119 --> 00:19:33,000 Speaker 1: But while we're all so busy worried about what's happening, 277 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:37,320 Speaker 1: I've been Washington, DC. Can we worry a moment about 278 00:19:37,359 --> 00:19:44,080 Speaker 1: our own children? To Chrish Williford, thank your reporter, WCCB. 279 00:19:44,840 --> 00:19:51,280 Speaker 1: Where was Magelic's body found? Magelic's body was found on 280 00:19:51,440 --> 00:19:55,560 Speaker 1: May twentieth, twenty twenty one, nine months after she disappeared, 281 00:19:56,040 --> 00:20:02,160 Speaker 1: in her mother's backyard. Lucille Pucket in the back yard. 282 00:20:02,600 --> 00:20:07,280 Speaker 1: How obvious is that a place to look and listen? 283 00:20:07,560 --> 00:20:11,880 Speaker 1: I'm just a shrink, I'm not an empty psychiatrist. But 284 00:20:12,680 --> 00:20:21,040 Speaker 1: Lucille Pucket, to put dirt on your child's face, bury 285 00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:24,440 Speaker 1: her in the back yard, I guess in the middle 286 00:20:24,440 --> 00:20:27,439 Speaker 1: of the night. What kind of a monster would do 287 00:20:27,480 --> 00:20:31,960 Speaker 1: something like that? Not a mother, definitely. And it wasn't 288 00:20:32,040 --> 00:20:35,879 Speaker 1: even twenty feet from the back door. And for the 289 00:20:35,960 --> 00:20:39,879 Speaker 1: grandfather to say that, you know, he was mowing that 290 00:20:40,040 --> 00:20:45,159 Speaker 1: lawn and mowing over his grandchild, not knowing that his 291 00:20:45,240 --> 00:20:48,800 Speaker 1: granddaughter was there, and his daughter not saying a word, 292 00:20:49,600 --> 00:20:51,680 Speaker 1: and they had a pit bull to make it so 293 00:20:51,800 --> 00:20:56,200 Speaker 1: bad that was constantly trying to dig up magellic body. 294 00:20:56,440 --> 00:20:59,920 Speaker 1: So they got rid of the dog because he would 295 00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:04,240 Speaker 1: reveal when that child was laying. Not only for a 296 00:21:04,359 --> 00:21:09,160 Speaker 1: mother to bury her child, but what the mother dear 297 00:21:09,240 --> 00:21:12,240 Speaker 1: to the child before she even buried her was even 298 00:21:12,320 --> 00:21:14,800 Speaker 1: more horrific. You know what, You are so right, And 299 00:21:14,920 --> 00:21:18,359 Speaker 1: let me go to our guest for Issich pathologist, former 300 00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:22,320 Speaker 1: medical examiner and author of Homicide Investigation Field Guide, doctor 301 00:21:22,359 --> 00:21:27,160 Speaker 1: Michelle Dupree. Doctor Dupree, So nine months pass, we think, 302 00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:33,120 Speaker 1: with this child buried in the backyard, how difficult does 303 00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:38,920 Speaker 1: it make an autopsy to determine cause of death? I mean, see, 304 00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:40,879 Speaker 1: of course, it's going to depend on the condition of 305 00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:44,840 Speaker 1: the body, and being wrapped in trashbags surprisingly may actually 306 00:21:45,080 --> 00:21:47,520 Speaker 1: preserve some of the evidence and help answer some of 307 00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:49,760 Speaker 1: the questions that we would want to know. It's going 308 00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:52,760 Speaker 1: to depend on the decomposition, It's going to depend on 309 00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:58,000 Speaker 1: how the child was actually killed or murdered. And in 310 00:21:58,000 --> 00:22:01,399 Speaker 1: this case, it's probably not going to give us a 311 00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:06,120 Speaker 1: lot of information because there was no indication of trauma 312 00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:08,840 Speaker 1: per se. But we're still going to look at the 313 00:22:09,280 --> 00:22:11,880 Speaker 1: body and look at the tissues and take sensils of everything. 314 00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:14,359 Speaker 1: We may even analyze the dart and the inside of 315 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:18,359 Speaker 1: the bags for different clues. Guys, you heard Lucille Pucket 316 00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:22,040 Speaker 1: allude to what the child went through before she was 317 00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:26,240 Speaker 1: buried in the backyard. Take a listen to our friends 318 00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:29,440 Speaker 1: at Crime Online. Court Record say Magelic's thirteen year old 319 00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:32,600 Speaker 1: sister told police that the four year old was being punished. 320 00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:35,240 Speaker 1: Bennett forced the girl to stand in the laundry room. 321 00:22:35,440 --> 00:22:37,840 Speaker 1: She was not allowed to sit down or leave for 322 00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:41,520 Speaker 1: three days. During that time, the girl defecated in her pants. 323 00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:44,920 Speaker 1: Young collapsed from exhaustion and fell out the back door 324 00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:47,680 Speaker 1: of the laundring room, hitting her head. The teen says 325 00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:51,560 Speaker 1: Magellic had troubled breathing, then Bennett tried to do CPR. 326 00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:55,760 Speaker 1: Magellic Young died the same day. Her mother cleaned the body, 327 00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:59,200 Speaker 1: grabbed two black trash bags and placed the girl's body inside. 328 00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:02,560 Speaker 1: The bags were then stuffed into an suv for about 329 00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:06,400 Speaker 1: five days until the odor was unbearable. That's when Bennett 330 00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:08,760 Speaker 1: bought a shovel and had her thirteen year old daughter 331 00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:12,200 Speaker 1: help her dig a hole to bury the rotting corpse. Well, 332 00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:15,240 Speaker 1: it'll be a cold day in h double l doctor 333 00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:20,879 Speaker 1: Joy Crossing, police, psychologists, faculty, Saint Leo, and author that 334 00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:23,760 Speaker 1: this woman is going to be able to claim insanity 335 00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:27,800 Speaker 1: because whatever states she portrays herself to be in court 336 00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:32,880 Speaker 1: if that day ever comes, doesn't matter insanity under our 337 00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:35,040 Speaker 1: law as whether you knew right or wrong at the 338 00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:37,080 Speaker 1: time of the incident. If she knew enough to go 339 00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:41,680 Speaker 1: buy a shovel, put these remains in trash bags, move 340 00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:45,240 Speaker 1: them when the odor became overwhelming and forced her thirteen 341 00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:49,040 Speaker 1: year old to help bury the body, she clearly could 342 00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:52,560 Speaker 1: form a plan and hiding the body shows she knew 343 00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:55,399 Speaker 1: what she did was wrong. Yeah, you go back to 344 00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:59,399 Speaker 1: her past behavior with the other abuse charges. This was 345 00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:02,600 Speaker 1: leading off all up to this, and there's this planning. 346 00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:06,159 Speaker 1: Like you said, there's there's no insanity, there's no delusion, 347 00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:09,960 Speaker 1: there's nothing. This is deviant or as evil as you 348 00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:12,359 Speaker 1: want to put it. This was a plan and she 349 00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:16,720 Speaker 1: solicited and basically forced the thirteen year old to join 350 00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:18,879 Speaker 1: in and help her dig the grave. I want a 351 00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:22,119 Speaker 1: circle back to Lucille Pucket, a special guest joining us 352 00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:26,639 Speaker 1: today along with Fish Williford. Lucille pucketed activists, founder of 353 00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:31,520 Speaker 1: Take Back Our hoods in close contact with Jelly's dad, Lucille. 354 00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:35,639 Speaker 1: What exactly is alleged that the mom did to Jelly, 355 00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:41,520 Speaker 1: her own blood biological mother with Jilly, I mean her 356 00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:44,840 Speaker 1: mom even in one of the warrens we see where 357 00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:50,560 Speaker 1: Jelly was swollen, she had black eyes and um like 358 00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:54,440 Speaker 1: we already heard, she had her daughter standing in a 359 00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:59,520 Speaker 1: corner beside a washer machine for three days and when 360 00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:02,840 Speaker 1: Jelly felt weak, not only did she deprecate on herself, 361 00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:05,399 Speaker 1: but she fell out of the back door and she 362 00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:10,480 Speaker 1: hit her head. Mom tried to administer CPR to Magelic. 363 00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:14,359 Speaker 1: But what I find even worse in this situation, the 364 00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:19,720 Speaker 1: grandmother told the mother not to call the police because 365 00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:23,120 Speaker 1: she would go to jail. Did she not think that 366 00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:25,040 Speaker 1: the truth was going to come out and her daughter 367 00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:27,840 Speaker 1: was going to go to jail anyway, And that's why 368 00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:31,480 Speaker 1: the mother was also arrested. I think the mother should 369 00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:35,520 Speaker 1: have had even more serious chargets with accessory to to 370 00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:39,840 Speaker 1: ruling for WCCB. What did this child endure before her death? 371 00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:42,280 Speaker 1: What was she forced to do? And so keep in 372 00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:46,360 Speaker 1: mind these are accounts, you know, that we're getting from 373 00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:50,919 Speaker 1: Magelic's thirteen year old big sister you know, according to 374 00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:55,520 Speaker 1: this search warrant, and according to the warrant, Magelic was 375 00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:59,679 Speaker 1: actually being punished for having about movement in her pants. 376 00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:03,879 Speaker 1: Forced to stand up. But what is this about making 377 00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:07,720 Speaker 1: her stand up for long periods of time? Forced her 378 00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:11,919 Speaker 1: to stand up? Explain? According to the warrants, forced her 379 00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:15,760 Speaker 1: to stand up in the laundry room and not allowed 380 00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:31,560 Speaker 1: to sit or leave for three long days. Prime Stories 381 00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:35,719 Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace. You know, this is not the first 382 00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:41,560 Speaker 1: time that children have actually died because of physical exertion, 383 00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:45,359 Speaker 1: enforced physical exertion. I want to tell you about a 384 00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:48,159 Speaker 1: similar transaction, or a couple of them. They're very similar 385 00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:52,560 Speaker 1: to this. First a little girl named Savannah Harden. Listen 386 00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:57,600 Speaker 1: to me questioning wb RC reporter Jonathan Hardison. This is 387 00:26:57,640 --> 00:27:02,760 Speaker 1: our cut seventeen about an other little girl forced exercise 388 00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:08,080 Speaker 1: till she literally drops dead. Last Friday afternoon, about three o'clock. So, 389 00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:11,040 Speaker 1: nine year old Savannah Harden comes home from elementary school 390 00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:13,919 Speaker 1: with her grandmother. She was fine when she left school. 391 00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:16,280 Speaker 1: She gets back to her house and that's when an 392 00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:18,800 Speaker 1: investigators say the grandmother discovered that at some point. We're 393 00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:20,879 Speaker 1: not sure exactly when this was, maybe it was Friday, 394 00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:23,400 Speaker 1: maybe it was the day before. The grandmother found out 395 00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:25,560 Speaker 1: that Savannah had had a candy bar. Now she was 396 00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:28,280 Speaker 1: not supposed to have chocolate, according to the grandmother, forty 397 00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:31,800 Speaker 1: six year olds Doyce Garrard, because Savannah had a bladder 398 00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:35,000 Speaker 1: condition that they believed chocolate could exacerbate or make worse. 399 00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:38,920 Speaker 1: So to punish her, according to investigators, Joyce Girard began 400 00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:42,960 Speaker 1: making her duran child run around the house and this continued, 401 00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:46,320 Speaker 1: they say, for about three hours, until she collapsed into 402 00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:49,160 Speaker 1: a seizure about six forty five. That's when her step mom, 403 00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:51,520 Speaker 1: twenty six year old Jessica Harden, who by the way, 404 00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:54,840 Speaker 1: at the time was nine months pregnant, calls ninety one 405 00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:57,679 Speaker 1: one and says, my stepdaughters having a seizure. Medics come 406 00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:00,320 Speaker 1: out to this scene in rule Edowa County, north east 407 00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:03,280 Speaker 1: of Birmingham, take her to a local hospital native side. 408 00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:05,639 Speaker 1: She's in bad enough condition. They're going to airlifter to 409 00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:09,080 Speaker 1: Children's Hospital in Birmingham, and that is where she died 410 00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:14,240 Speaker 1: about nude on Monday. Died of over exhaustion heat stroke 411 00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:17,720 Speaker 1: from being forced to run around and around the house 412 00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:21,080 Speaker 1: holding an armful of logs. While Mommy had a sig 413 00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:24,560 Speaker 1: with Grammy up on the front porch watching may they 414 00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:27,440 Speaker 1: both Rotten Hill, Savannah, Hard's not the only one, there's 415 00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:30,640 Speaker 1: Charlie Bothuel. Take a listen to our cut twenty three. 416 00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:34,240 Speaker 1: This is our friends at Fox to Detroit. Charlie told 417 00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:37,560 Speaker 1: investigators he was beaten with a PBC pipe all over 418 00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:39,880 Speaker 1: from his head and chest to the bottom of his feet, 419 00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:42,760 Speaker 1: often forcing him to bleed and to the point he 420 00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:45,680 Speaker 1: was too sore to sit or walk. Police are in 421 00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:49,200 Speaker 1: the process of testing blood found on that pipe they seized, 422 00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:52,920 Speaker 1: and a medical evaluation revealed scars on Charlie's chest and 423 00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:56,720 Speaker 1: buttocks on days even after Charlie was allegedly beaten, The 424 00:28:56,760 --> 00:28:59,400 Speaker 1: twelve year old claims he was forced to undergo grueling 425 00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:03,680 Speaker 1: workouts five thousand revolutions on the elliptical, one hundred pushups, 426 00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:07,560 Speaker 1: five hundred situps, jumping jack's and waits twice a day, 427 00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:10,280 Speaker 1: seven days a week, and if he didn't finish, he 428 00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:12,960 Speaker 1: would have to do it all over again. So let 429 00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:18,240 Speaker 1: me ask you to doctor dupree, how does a child 430 00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:21,560 Speaker 1: die of exhaustion? In this case, Jelly was forced to 431 00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:24,800 Speaker 1: stand in the laundering room and if she got off, 432 00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:29,440 Speaker 1: she'd be beaten. She would stand there till she defecated 433 00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:31,240 Speaker 1: in her own pants. Since she got beaten for that, 434 00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:35,600 Speaker 1: How do you die a physical exertion, Nancy. This is 435 00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:38,720 Speaker 1: really it's a very tragic case. The big thing here 436 00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:41,640 Speaker 1: is she had no food and water. You can only 437 00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:45,560 Speaker 1: live for maybe three days without water, and because of this, 438 00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:48,680 Speaker 1: her body is going to literally shut down. She'll go 439 00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:52,400 Speaker 1: into shock, she'll be confused, her heart rate will go up, 440 00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:55,920 Speaker 1: her brain will even swell. Eventually she will pass out, 441 00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:58,520 Speaker 1: which she likely did and fell out the back door, 442 00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:03,720 Speaker 1: probably again causing other injuries. You cannot go without water 443 00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:07,280 Speaker 1: for three days, especially a child at this age. These 444 00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:13,360 Speaker 1: are not the only cases of excessive exercising forced on children. 445 00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:17,080 Speaker 1: There's also the case of Emeric Ossuna. Take a listen 446 00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:21,440 Speaker 1: to our friend. Martin Johnson KATVB seven, the father of 447 00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:24,560 Speaker 1: a nine year old boy who prosecutors say died after 448 00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:28,760 Speaker 1: months of abuse, is not mentally competent to stand trial, 449 00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:32,000 Speaker 1: but it doesn't mean he's off the hook. Right now. 450 00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:36,640 Speaker 1: Thirty year old Eric Ossuna is facing a first degree 451 00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:40,320 Speaker 1: murder charge in the death of his son, Emeric Ossuna. 452 00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:43,760 Speaker 1: Investigators say the boy was beaten and locked in closets 453 00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:48,160 Speaker 1: and forced to do repetitive exercises punishment. They even say 454 00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:51,640 Speaker 1: he was starved by his stepmother, twenty eight year old 455 00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:55,320 Speaker 1: Monique Ossuna. They say the father knew about this but 456 00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:59,080 Speaker 1: never intervened, adding he later tried to hide the evidence 457 00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:02,360 Speaker 1: that it ever happened. And to you doctor Jorry Cross 458 00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:07,920 Speaker 1: and a psychologist and faculty Saint Leo University, doctor Jory 459 00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:12,240 Speaker 1: I think the street meaning of she had to be 460 00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:15,240 Speaker 1: crazy to force her four year old girl to stand 461 00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:18,480 Speaker 1: in the launder room until she defecated her pants and 462 00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:24,480 Speaker 1: she got beaten for that, but crazy and vernacular, it's 463 00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:28,600 Speaker 1: not crazy under the law. That that's correct. Insanity is 464 00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:32,680 Speaker 1: a legal term. It's nothing. You don't find that anywhere 465 00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:38,400 Speaker 1: in the psychological you know stuff. The ability to know 466 00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:41,800 Speaker 1: right from wrong is basically the standard in the criteria 467 00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:45,560 Speaker 1: we look for. And again you know she knew right 468 00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:50,680 Speaker 1: for wrong her behavior before and after the crime, So 469 00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:55,120 Speaker 1: you know, I couldn't see an insanity defense working at 470 00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:57,360 Speaker 1: all here. I mean, they may try to write, and 471 00:31:57,480 --> 00:32:02,200 Speaker 1: not only that, Chess Williford WCC she had been accused 472 00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:06,160 Speaker 1: of mistreating the children in the past. What more do 473 00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:09,040 Speaker 1: we know about what was done a little Jelly before 474 00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:13,440 Speaker 1: her death. Well, we do know on two or three 475 00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:20,280 Speaker 1: occasions that police have arrested been It on charges of 476 00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:24,600 Speaker 1: child abuse, and we do know that one of those 477 00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:32,120 Speaker 1: episodes included leaving several children home alone for more than 478 00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:36,600 Speaker 1: twenty four hours. Keep in mind, she's had eight kids 479 00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:41,720 Speaker 1: and and she's been charged before. These are still pending 480 00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:46,600 Speaker 1: charges here in Mecklenburg County for child abuse previous to 481 00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:49,960 Speaker 1: this murder charge. So nothing happened with those cases. And 482 00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:54,200 Speaker 1: finally there's a dead child. Lucille Pucket. I mean, it's 483 00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:59,760 Speaker 1: just one horrible fact after the next, and another thing, Lucille. 484 00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:03,040 Speaker 1: It's reminiscent of caught Mom Laurie Valo and taught Mom 485 00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:07,880 Speaker 1: Casey Anthony in another way, while their children were quote missing, 486 00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:12,120 Speaker 1: truth dead at their own hands, they carried on as 487 00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:16,600 Speaker 1: if nothing was wrong. Called Mom Laurie Valo, shops online, 488 00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:19,480 Speaker 1: buys a wedding dress, gets married, and goes to move 489 00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:24,120 Speaker 1: to Hawaii. Taught mom Casey Anthony is danced on every 490 00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:27,120 Speaker 1: stripper pole and every bar in town while her daughter 491 00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:30,720 Speaker 1: is missing, i e. Dead. And here you've got this 492 00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:36,960 Speaker 1: mom posting online with selfies and photos of herself while 493 00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:41,280 Speaker 1: her daughter is dead in the back yard, also posting 494 00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:45,920 Speaker 1: pictures of her other children like everything is fine, having 495 00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:49,800 Speaker 1: Earthday celebrations and all that kind of stuff. And the 496 00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:53,160 Speaker 1: mom was pregnant during this time? Does she bury her 497 00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:56,680 Speaker 1: other child? The mom was pregnant. So what do we 498 00:33:56,800 --> 00:33:59,719 Speaker 1: know about the cause of death? Lucille, Well, right now, 499 00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:03,560 Speaker 1: still waiting on the optopsy to come back. They say 500 00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:09,000 Speaker 1: they're waiting on the top theology report, so infirmative. We 501 00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:14,359 Speaker 1: really knows nothing, but you know preliminaries. We know that 502 00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:17,960 Speaker 1: the baby had two black eyes, she was slowly and 503 00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:21,160 Speaker 1: for you to be able to see after eight months, 504 00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:25,200 Speaker 1: nine months, you know, still this kind of evidence. You 505 00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:29,400 Speaker 1: know that it had to be very horrific, very horrific. 506 00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:32,960 Speaker 1: And for this mother to tell her other seven children 507 00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:37,560 Speaker 1: that if anybody said anything, the same thing will happen 508 00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:41,520 Speaker 1: to them. So for her other children, especially the thirteen 509 00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:45,200 Speaker 1: year old, to live in such fear of dying at 510 00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:49,600 Speaker 1: their mother's hand, can you only imagine? Can you only imagine? 511 00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:53,759 Speaker 1: And Jelly only just wanted to spend time with her mother, 512 00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:57,160 Speaker 1: being raised by her dad for four years, and to 513 00:34:57,320 --> 00:35:00,399 Speaker 1: have to look up at the woman that she love 514 00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:04,160 Speaker 1: taking her life and just wanted to go home with 515 00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:06,960 Speaker 1: her daddy, just wanting to be back where she was 516 00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:10,400 Speaker 1: safe with her father. What do we believe happened in 517 00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:13,560 Speaker 1: that laundry ram trish well? But what we do know 518 00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:18,279 Speaker 1: is from that search warrant Again police interviewed being his 519 00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:22,840 Speaker 1: thirteen year old daughter that would be Magellic's older sister. 520 00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:27,200 Speaker 1: She was forced to stand up in the laundry room, 521 00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:31,000 Speaker 1: not allowed to sit or leave for three days. Again, 522 00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:34,400 Speaker 1: the child got so weak, according to the warrant, that 523 00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:37,120 Speaker 1: she fell out of the back door, hitting her head 524 00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:44,000 Speaker 1: on the ground. According to the little girl, Magellic's breathing 525 00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:47,120 Speaker 1: was on and off, on and off, and that she 526 00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:52,240 Speaker 1: died after three days. We also know according to this warrant, 527 00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:57,080 Speaker 1: the girl said that her mom attempted to do CPR 528 00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:04,480 Speaker 1: but couldn't. This is after three days. Why was she 529 00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:06,960 Speaker 1: being forced to stand up in the laundry room and 530 00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:09,480 Speaker 1: not sit down? That was her punishment punishment for what 531 00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:13,880 Speaker 1: or using the bathroom on herself? According to the warrant, Guys, 532 00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:17,920 Speaker 1: take a listen to our cut four. This is Jamal 533 00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:21,279 Speaker 1: Goss Fox forty six CEFD says thirty one year old 534 00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:24,600 Speaker 1: Malika Bennett has been arrested and is facing charges for 535 00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:26,759 Speaker 1: the death of her four year old daughter. But lease 536 00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:28,600 Speaker 1: say they found the little girl berry in near some 537 00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:30,600 Speaker 1: woods in the back of her home on bread and 538 00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:34,720 Speaker 1: Drive right now. Bennett is facing several charges including felony, 539 00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:38,719 Speaker 1: chart abuse and child abuse and murder. And also take 540 00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:41,840 Speaker 1: a listen to this. This is These are our friends 541 00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:46,080 Speaker 1: at WC and CE Charlotte. Mother accused of killing her 542 00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:49,360 Speaker 1: four year old daughter and then hiding her remains. The 543 00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:53,040 Speaker 1: mother now facing multiple charges, including first degree murder in 544 00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:56,440 Speaker 1: her daughter's death. Now, according to you Lucille Puckett, the 545 00:36:56,760 --> 00:37:01,719 Speaker 1: father is taking this horribly. He can't bring himself to 546 00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:05,719 Speaker 1: speak of it. Why he has her father Darren Young, 547 00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:09,560 Speaker 1: it's really going through because he really, you know, in 548 00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:13,160 Speaker 1: port thoughts himself because after raging his daughter for four 549 00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:17,239 Speaker 1: years and the daughter, Jelly's wish for her birthday was 550 00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:20,080 Speaker 1: to spend time and see her mom, and he granted 551 00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:23,440 Speaker 1: her that wish, and then after her birthday party, she 552 00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:26,120 Speaker 1: just wanted to spend a little bit more time with 553 00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:28,400 Speaker 1: our mom, and her mom said, okay, we'll go for 554 00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:32,600 Speaker 1: an overnight visit. And unbeknown to him that that would 555 00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:35,719 Speaker 1: actually be his last time seeing his daughter. A love 556 00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:39,279 Speaker 1: Darren is just I mean, he's outside of himself. He 557 00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:43,720 Speaker 1: really separated itself from the family. I mean the family 558 00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:47,000 Speaker 1: is just like really worried, you know about him, because 559 00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:50,960 Speaker 1: I mean he's again outside of his hand. Back to Aricia, 560 00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:55,320 Speaker 1: well heard what happens next in the case, Well, Molissa 561 00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:58,920 Speaker 1: Bennett has been and guided by a grand jury, so 562 00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:03,000 Speaker 1: we'll just have feel wait until it goes to trial again. 563 00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:07,000 Speaker 1: Her mother, Tammy Moffatt, is out on bond right now, 564 00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:09,960 Speaker 1: about a ten thousand dollars bond for each charge. What 565 00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:12,960 Speaker 1: has happened to the children, specifically the thirteen year old, 566 00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:16,000 Speaker 1: She forced to help bury the child's body. Well, prior 567 00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:20,960 Speaker 1: to even them finding the body, the thirteen year old 568 00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:23,759 Speaker 1: had went to live with her dad because she had 569 00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:27,480 Speaker 1: started acting out behaviorally, you know, she had started running 570 00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:30,400 Speaker 1: away if the situation had really started to bother her 571 00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:33,200 Speaker 1: in her mind. So she's now living with her dad, 572 00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:35,960 Speaker 1: and all of the other children aren't either with their 573 00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:40,880 Speaker 1: grandparents or what they father. We wait as justice for 574 00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:45,400 Speaker 1: Majella the Souls Nancy Grace Scribe's choice, Sonny R.