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Speaker 1: On the beck Dol Cast, the questions asked if movies

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Speaker 1: invest start changing it with the Bechdel Cast. Hello and

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Speaker 1: welcome to the Bechtel Cast. My name is Caitlin Dronte

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Speaker 1: Jamie Loftus, and we talk about the portrayal women in movie,

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Speaker 1: but mostly on this podcast. Actually that's maybe maybe it's

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Speaker 1: an even split at this point. Yeah. We're always texting

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Speaker 1: each other being like, hey, did you see this movie?

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Speaker 1: What you think? And usually I'm like I didn't see it,

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Speaker 1: and then you're like, okay, let's hang out. Yeah that's fun.

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Speaker 1: That's a nice little friendship. Yeah, it's really really wonderful.

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Speaker 1: That's good. Um, So we use the Bechdel Test, a

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Speaker 1: test evented by cartoonist Ales and Betel. So we use

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Speaker 1: the Bechtel dost is jumping off point to take a

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Speaker 1: look at some of your favorite movies. Our definition of

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Speaker 1: that is uh scene in a piece of media must

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Speaker 1: include two female identifying characters with names who talk about

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Speaker 1: something other than a man for more than two lines

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Speaker 1: of dialogue. I think it would be easy, you would think,

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Speaker 1: and yet you would be interesting is to like crunch

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Speaker 1: like one of those A FI lists or something, and

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Speaker 1: figure out how many of those movies actually uh it's

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Speaker 1: like or less. That seems reasonable. Yeah. I also there

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Speaker 1: was something someone tweeted us this morning. When then we'll

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Speaker 1: get into the episodic promise. But someone who just listened

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Speaker 1: to our bendit like Beckham episode, and they tweeted this

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Speaker 1: stray thought that's really been haunting me, which is like,

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Speaker 1: what a season to be haunted? Hated? Okay, but he

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Speaker 1: tweeted at us that he could think, off the top

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Speaker 1: of his head more sports movies that starred animals than

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Speaker 1: started human women. Yeah. I think we talked about that

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Speaker 1: in that episode. Maybe he's just quoting us, maybe we're geniuses.

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Speaker 1: But I was like, oh my god, he's so smart.

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Speaker 1: Maybe we're so smart, right, because we talked about like

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Speaker 1: air Bud and then various air Bud spin off. My

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Speaker 1: I love that one. Oh god, you I mean you

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Speaker 1: we just need more movies with women and more movies

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Speaker 1: with animals and less movies with men. That's what I meant.

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Speaker 1: Yes anyways, and speaking of, you know, being horrified at

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Speaker 1: the representation of women in film, Yeah, yeah, where you

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Speaker 1: go with this? Let's go shopping is what I was

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Speaker 1: going to suggesting. So, yes, let us talk about the

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Speaker 1: movie we're here to talk about today, But first, why

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Speaker 1: don't we introduce our guests. She is a writer on

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Speaker 1: ThunderCats Roar on Cartoon Network, also a writer on Yapadaba

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Speaker 1: Dinosaurs on Boomerang, and performs regularly at U C b

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Speaker 1: l A. Joan Ford say next year, all those shows

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Speaker 1: will out next year. Yeah, so be on the lookout.

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Speaker 1: Don't stop looking out, never stop your TV two into

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Speaker 1: Cartoon Network, your day and your perch, your little crow's nest, Titanic,

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Speaker 1: keep your eyes on the horizon for new media. My

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Speaker 1: mom always used to say to me when I was younger,

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Speaker 1: to be alert and aware, which I think both applies

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Speaker 1: to you know specifically and only that, But she was

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Speaker 1: also like, you know, stay safe, be aware of your surroundings,

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Speaker 1: and be alert, which applies to horror movies too. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you're like, you've got nineteen different Segways and loaded today.

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Speaker 1: There it's my segway of life. You're like Paul because

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Speaker 1: you love segways. Oh, because they should come up with

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Speaker 1: a new Paul Blart where he gets into birds. Oh god,

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Speaker 1: the Pratt Falls Paul Blart would do off a bird scooter.

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Speaker 1: I tell you not to encourage more movies starring Kevin James. Right,

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Speaker 1: speaking of strong female protagonists, we're talking about Scream, the

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Speaker 1: I watched it this morning, Yes, and before that, I

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Speaker 1: to just keep bringing up Matthew Lillard this whole thing.

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Speaker 1: my soup. This is a joke that's just for me,

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Speaker 1: and I enjoy it anyways, Scream, welcome back, there we are. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: as we mentioned, this is like a super meta slasher

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Speaker 1: movie that spends a lot of time like calling attention

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Speaker 1: to the tropes of popular horror movies, and like the

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Speaker 1: characters of Scream keep alluding to the fact that their

427
00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:45,640
Speaker 1: situation is just like a horror movie, right, and then

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00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:48,560
Speaker 1: like as the Scream sequels go, this happens more and

429
00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:51,200
Speaker 1: more they get even more meta. There's even more references.

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Speaker 1: They're making movies about the events of the first movie,

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Speaker 1: Like everybody from the first movie is brought on as

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Speaker 1: creative consultant. Yeah. There. It seems like in general, and

433
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Speaker 1: I'm not like a horror buff, I've seen just the basics.

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00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:08,800
Speaker 1: It seems like it's a very self referential genre in general.

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00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:12,520
Speaker 1: Where like this movie and we just recorded our Halloween

436
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Speaker 1: episode yesterday. This movie clearly pulls from Halloween very heavily.

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Speaker 1: But even in Halloween in the late seventies, they're watching

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Speaker 1: horror movies from like the forties and fifties. I don't know.

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00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:25,879
Speaker 1: I mean, I think it helps to acknowledge that you

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Speaker 1: have horror movies taking place in a world where people

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Speaker 1: know horror movie conventions. And I don't know, I think

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00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:36,480
Speaker 1: I especially liked it and Scream because there it's all

443
00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:39,520
Speaker 1: over the place, right. For example, one of the things

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Speaker 1: that happens is that the movie cause attention to different

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00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:45,080
Speaker 1: like kind of frustrating choices of the characters will make

446
00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:49,040
Speaker 1: in horror movies where in the beginning, I think Sydney

447
00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:51,359
Speaker 1: is talking on the phone to the killer and she's like,

448
00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:53,600
Speaker 1: I don't watch scary movies. It's all the same thing.

449
00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:56,680
Speaker 1: Some stupid killer is talking a big breasted girl who

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Speaker 1: can't act, who is always running up the stairs when

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Speaker 1: she should be running out the front door, and then

452
00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:05,600
Speaker 1: moments later circumstances which she runs up the stairs. So

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00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:08,679
Speaker 1: it's like clever, funny things like that that I enjoy.

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00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:12,200
Speaker 1: And then like the Randy character, who is a horror buff,

455
00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:14,720
Speaker 1: is like always rattling off like these are the rules

456
00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:17,280
Speaker 1: like here the troupes like that. Even at the beginning,

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Speaker 1: I think, like Drew Barry Morris has that line about

458
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Speaker 1: you know, it's always they are always casting people who

459
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Speaker 1: are way too old for these parts, and the joke

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Speaker 1: is that Drew Barrymore is like way too old, but

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Speaker 1: there's only twenty one at the time. Yeah, like I

462
00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:32,679
Speaker 1: styled her to look older. Yeah, I think they, but

463
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Speaker 1: like it's like, god damn it, like Matthew Broderick got

464
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Speaker 1: to play Ferris Bueller on even twenty four. I don't think, like, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean it's weird because there's sometimes when movies are

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Speaker 1: too referential that rubs me the wrong way, and then

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Speaker 1: you get into like Shrek territory of like so referencing

468
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Speaker 1: that without the references there is no substance. But I

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Speaker 1: don't know, I don't think this movie toes that line

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Speaker 1: very well. Yeah, I find like a little distracting at

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Speaker 1: the beginning when it's like everybody's talking in movie metaphors.

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Speaker 1: It's like the cool boyfriend is like our relationships at

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Speaker 1: PG thirteen. I don't want to take it to like awe,

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Speaker 1: and it's like it's also he says our relationship was

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Speaker 1: an R and I want to take an n C seventeen.

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Speaker 1: But it's like, what's not happening in an R rated

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Speaker 1: movie that you that like I'm pretty sure you can

478
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Speaker 1: have sex an R rate and movie, right, And like,

479
00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:20,800
Speaker 1: I just want to do some freaky ship Like is

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Speaker 1: that what you're saying? Yeah, some like Italian museum fucking movie.

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Speaker 1: I can't. There is a movie with Italian movie where

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Speaker 1: n C seventeen where the museum I can't. It's called Oh,

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00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:32,000
Speaker 1: I would like to know the name of that movie.

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00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:34,520
Speaker 1: And then what he's like, oh, we can't. We now

485
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Speaker 1: it's like edited for CBS Tuesday at seven. I was like, whoa,

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Speaker 1: you're seventeen. And then at the end of the Campbell

487
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Speaker 1: is like, would you settle for a PG thirteen rating?

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Speaker 1: And he's like, what's that? And she flashes them and

489
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Speaker 1: it's like you can show breasts in a PG thirteen

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Speaker 1: movie that they're all over the place on their rate. Really,

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00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:57,440
Speaker 1: you've never seen Titanic. That's that's like artful. Yeah, you

492
00:27:57,480 --> 00:27:59,960
Speaker 1: can get away over it if it's art oil painting, breasts,

493
00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:07,600
Speaker 1: so many rules. So in the movie there's direct references

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Speaker 1: to Halloween. For example, Drew Barrymore's character mentions that Halloween

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Speaker 1: is her favorite scary movie. Um, whenever the parents show

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Speaker 1: up to that house and they're finding that you know

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Speaker 1: something is amiss. Her dad is like, go to the

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Speaker 1: Mackenzie's house and call the police. That's the same family

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Speaker 1: that Laurie Strode and Halloween tells the kids to go to.

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Speaker 1: That's even Oh and then there's that scene where Skeet

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Speaker 1: and And and Nev Campbell are making out that Blue

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Speaker 1: Oyster Cult song from Halloween's playing too, and Billy's last

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Speaker 1: name is Loomis and Loomis is the last name of

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Speaker 1: the psychiatrist and Halloween that Tatum comments, this is just

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Speaker 1: like a West Carpenter film, which is the run Wes

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Speaker 1: Craven and Carpenter. What she meant was Wes Anderson, of course. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And then later in the movie they are watching Halloween

508
00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:03,840
Speaker 1: and kind of picking apart the different trips. So I

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Speaker 1: just kind of wanted to do a little compare and

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Speaker 1: contrast of the two movies, especially because we just covered

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Speaker 1: Halloween a little exercise. So like in the Halloween episode,

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Speaker 1: we kind of broke down. Okay, here the women who

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Speaker 1: were being attacked and brutalized versus like not nearly as

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Speaker 1: many men. However, in Scream we see still a lot

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Speaker 1: of women get attacked and killed, but so do way

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Speaker 1: more men. I feel like, yeah, it's like more than

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Speaker 1: parody in that. Yeah, I was. It's it's about split

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Speaker 1: down the middle because we see Casey Becker get chased,

519
00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:44,000
Speaker 1: stabbed and then gutted, and then Steve, her boyfriend, also

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00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:48,200
Speaker 1: is gutted. We see Sydney get attacked multiple times. We

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Speaker 1: see Tatum get killed by the garage door, but we

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Speaker 1: see Dewey he gets stabbed in the back toward the end,

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Speaker 1: Um Kenny, the camera guy, gets his throat slashed. Gail Weathers.

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Speaker 1: I don't does she even get attacked or is it

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Speaker 1: just that she crashes the van? She crashes and then

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Speaker 1: she I think she gets attacked towards the end when

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Speaker 1: she that first one where she has the safety on

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Speaker 1: the gun and he's like right and they hit her

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Speaker 1: and stuff. Yeah, I don't know if she ever gets stabbed,

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Speaker 1: but yeah she is. She gets you know, scuffed up

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Speaker 1: a bit. Randy gets shot, and then Stu and Billy

532
00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:29,760
Speaker 1: stab each other. But that's all part of the plan.

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00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:36,240
Speaker 1: That's But so yeah, it's about and we can't leave

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Speaker 1: out principal Henry Binklair, right, So maybe even it's it's

535
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Speaker 1: more men getting what a treat I know he's in

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Speaker 1: and out. He was fun and now he's the principal.

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00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:52,280
Speaker 1: And then about ten years later he pops up in

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Speaker 1: holes and you like what, Oh, yes, the Dad Stanley

539
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Speaker 1: Yellnet the third or something play Shining aboves Dad. So

540
00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:05,600
Speaker 1: good anyways. Um, But I would say, even though there

541
00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:11,160
Speaker 1: is more gender parody of people getting attacked and scream,

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00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:13,920
Speaker 1: I would say, as far as on screen violence, the

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00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:19,640
Speaker 1: attacks on women are more extended, they are more more brutal. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: because well even what you were just describing, like, yes,

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00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:26,080
Speaker 1: David Arquette gets a knife to the back, but that's

546
00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:30,760
Speaker 1: not as bad as being squeezed, you know, like I mean.

547
00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:33,800
Speaker 1: And then the whole opening scene is Drew Barrymore's character

548
00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:38,480
Speaker 1: for a good five minutes is being verbally harassed, chased, stabbed,

549
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:41,320
Speaker 1: dragged across the ground. Um. And then all we see

550
00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:44,400
Speaker 1: of the boyfriend is that he's tied up briefly, and

551
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:46,960
Speaker 1: then it cuts to the aftermath of him being gutted.

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00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:49,800
Speaker 1: So it's way more brutal when it's when it comes

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Speaker 1: to violence against women. And I bet if we're if

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Speaker 1: we're clocking how long. Yeah, Like you're saying, like those

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Speaker 1: scenes are way longer. Um, And it might be worth

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Speaker 1: noting the in that opening scene where we see the

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Speaker 1: boyfriend tied up and kind of like used as sort

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Speaker 1: of leverage or like usually it's a woman tied up

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Speaker 1: in an action movie or superhero movie. We got Steve

560
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:22,360
Speaker 1: so but it's the line that drew He's he was like,

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00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:25,680
Speaker 1: oh yeah, yeah, that that first scene. I mean, there's

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Speaker 1: so much to unpack in that first scene alone, where

563
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:31,200
Speaker 1: it's one of those movies where, you know, because it

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Speaker 1: does come down to the last girl still essentially in

565
00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:38,720
Speaker 1: Sydney's you know, the last girl and we're just triumphant

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Speaker 1: whatever that trope, which which kind of like our guest

567
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:44,280
Speaker 1: April Wolf was saying on the Halloween episode, there's a

568
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Speaker 1: lot of different ways to look at the last girl trope. Um,

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Speaker 1: but that is upheld in this movie. Uh but in

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Speaker 1: the first scene. There were moments in this movie where

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Speaker 1: it was hard for me to figure out. I don't

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Speaker 1: know like how the writing felt about some of That's

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Speaker 1: female characters that weren't Sydney, because a lot of them

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Speaker 1: come off as a little dumb, a little thrill. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I do think there's some I don't know if if

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Speaker 1: Williamson like extends this to all his female characters. But

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Speaker 1: I think there is some fun or interesting like setting

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Speaker 1: up expectations that you would come to expect from having

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Speaker 1: watched a lot of horror movies that he kind of undercuts.

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Speaker 1: Like Gail Weathers is a percent set up as like

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Speaker 1: as a victim, like she's like fucking with our main character.

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Speaker 1: She's just like she kind of played as this like

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Speaker 1: snoopy like bitch who's just like getting in the way,

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Speaker 1: and like you kind of like expect her to get it.

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Speaker 1: And and I would say this is a movie where

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Speaker 1: I might say this is actually has two final girls,

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Speaker 1: because I think Gail kind of fits that at least

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Speaker 1: with her character. I don't know if i'd say that's

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Speaker 1: the same for like Tatum, but like for her, like

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Speaker 1: they're building up these expectations so they can kind of

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Speaker 1: like under custom for them. Yeah, the Gail character is

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Speaker 1: I mean, Gil and Sydney are both extremely smart and

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Speaker 1: and capable, and I mean the movie doesn't do like

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Speaker 1: you're saying, that doesn't the movie doesn't do that much

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Speaker 1: to undercut their abilities. Even when they're wrong. It's not

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Speaker 1: being positioned that they're stupid. It's just there's a lot

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Speaker 1: going on and there's a stabby plan that no one

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00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:19,120
Speaker 1: could have guessed. Yeah, but but there are like Casey

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00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:21,960
Speaker 1: and and Tatum are a little bit trickier in in

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Speaker 1: that way, which is, you know, I'm not even saying

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Speaker 1: every woman that appears on screen and every movie has

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Speaker 1: to be really smart. That is unrealistic and at some

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00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:33,040
Speaker 1: point gets boring. But that that first scene is so

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Speaker 1: long and the like phone over the phone coercion, which

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Speaker 1: like was making me squirm a little bit of like

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Speaker 1: like don't tell him your home alone? What are you?

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Speaker 1: And then telling a story You're like, oh, I'm I'm

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Speaker 1: making popcorn and I'm going to watch a movie. Is

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00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:52,040
Speaker 1: like what are you doing? And they're what I could

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Speaker 1: relate with in that scene is confusing Freddie Jason and

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Speaker 1: Michael Myers because I would That's I would have died

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00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:02,680
Speaker 1: there too. Imagine just like failing a busfeed being murdered.

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Speaker 1: Movie trivia is like the one thing that I am

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00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:07,680
Speaker 1: good at in my entire life, So I would have

615
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:12,680
Speaker 1: been like boom boom boom. Yeah, I would. I would fail.

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Speaker 1: Although we did great at kill we won anyway. Anyway,

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Speaker 1: It's quick Bracken. Another thing when you if you're comparing

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Speaker 1: Halloween and Scream, for example, and Halloween, there are a

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Speaker 1: lot of women in the cast, but they weren't really

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00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:38,200
Speaker 1: driving the narrative. They were basically just kind of reacting

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Speaker 1: to what the killer was doing, and their main goal

622
00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:44,800
Speaker 1: was survival essentially, and only one of them gets to

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Speaker 1: achieve that goal, which is Laurie Strode. And Scream, however,

624
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Speaker 1: there's a few elements that are introduced that allow female

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00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:56,440
Speaker 1: characters to be more active. One, uh, the identity of

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00:35:56,520 --> 00:35:59,279
Speaker 1: the killer as a mystery, unlike Halloween were like we

627
00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:01,600
Speaker 1: know right off the at that it's Michael Myers and

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00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:05,840
Speaker 1: there's no ambiguity there. So in Scream, the women are

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Speaker 1: trying to figure out who the killer is, um mostly

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Speaker 1: Gail because she's you know, she's trying to like crack

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Speaker 1: the you know, get the scoop. But then also because

632
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:19,640
Speaker 1: Sydney keeps being attacked and called and harassed by the

633
00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:22,759
Speaker 1: killer and she's like, what who is this? I? You know,

634
00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:26,560
Speaker 1: I want to know? And that Gail has alternative theories

635
00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:31,120
Speaker 1: of like she's really thought about she's positioned like you

636
00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:34,520
Speaker 1: you're Sajan is as like kind of a flighty local reporter.

637
00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:39,040
Speaker 1: But she's done some investigation and is good at her

638
00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:42,919
Speaker 1: job and seems to be getting closer than I mean,

639
00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:48,000
Speaker 1: unfortunately our girls, Sydney keeps kind of fumbling it until yeah,

640
00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:50,720
Speaker 1: until after she has sex with and then like the

641
00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:52,920
Speaker 1: then like the clues click after she said, which is

642
00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:58,719
Speaker 1: a killer, which is a really interesting subversion to the

643
00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:01,200
Speaker 1: tropes of slasher movie. That's because as soon as she

644
00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:04,960
Speaker 1: rather than you know, getting murdered, which is what usually

645
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:07,480
Speaker 1: happens as soon as a girl has sex in a

646
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:11,000
Speaker 1: horror movie. Yeah, like things fall into place for her.

647
00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:14,280
Speaker 1: It's an interesting I mean, that's that was a subversion

648
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:17,920
Speaker 1: where when that happened, I was like huh, like yeah,

649
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:21,640
Speaker 1: sometimes it just feels like they're like subversions without actually

650
00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:24,040
Speaker 1: thinking like what is the implication of this? It's just

651
00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:27,080
Speaker 1: like subverting it because I'm clever and I can do

652
00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:29,040
Speaker 1: that math of like, well this usually happens, then this

653
00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:31,120
Speaker 1: should happen. But it's like, what are we actually saying

654
00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:33,520
Speaker 1: with this? It's opposed to like doing it because I'm

655
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:36,000
Speaker 1: a clever screenwriter, because I was like, is the implication

656
00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:38,480
Speaker 1: of that? Like okay, so now to be able to

657
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:41,480
Speaker 1: solve crimes, you better be fucking like there. There's like

658
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:43,600
Speaker 1: there's a lot of different ways, and I was like,

659
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:46,520
Speaker 1: I don't know, like it was an interesting subversion and

660
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:49,680
Speaker 1: it sounds like at this point that is not something

661
00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:52,040
Speaker 1: that would normally happen in a horror movie. Yeah, I

662
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:55,759
Speaker 1: was like, what exactly was Williamson trying to say with

663
00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:58,600
Speaker 1: that one? Right? And um, like on this theme, I

664
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:01,520
Speaker 1: even't started if I'm jumping end too soon, but I

665
00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:04,520
Speaker 1: mean I think okay, So like seeing this in theaters

666
00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:07,000
Speaker 1: in like nineties six, the moment that just like I've

667
00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:09,160
Speaker 1: rarely been in another theater where like an audience when

668
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:11,480
Speaker 1: this crazy was when she's kind of like turned the

669
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:13,279
Speaker 1: tables on, when Sydney has turned the tables on the

670
00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:15,839
Speaker 1: killer and she has that voice box and she's like

671
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:19,520
Speaker 1: terrorizing them Like that is so like that is so

672
00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:23,160
Speaker 1: satisfying and so gratifying. Like the audience erupted when she

673
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:25,720
Speaker 1: started started calling them, and it's like at that point

674
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:29,120
Speaker 1: she's not just like the protactive protagonist. She is like

675
00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:34,880
Speaker 1: I don't know, give it's so good because we so

676
00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:38,160
Speaker 1: rarely see that because again, if we're comparing it to Halloween,

677
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:42,479
Speaker 1: Lori Strow just kind of gets away by sheer luck.

678
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:46,160
Speaker 1: At best, they're they're like defending themselves and like fighting

679
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:50,080
Speaker 1: for their lives. They're not like actively going after the

680
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:53,920
Speaker 1: people who have like terrorized in the whole movie, like

681
00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:55,880
Speaker 1: at least until that point, I think we've seen that

682
00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:58,200
Speaker 1: a little more. But Scream was kind of a little

683
00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:02,920
Speaker 1: bit of a invader and partic Yes, and in Halloween,

684
00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:05,439
Speaker 1: Dr Loomis has to come in and kind of save

685
00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:08,120
Speaker 1: the day by shooting Michael Myers, whereas in this movie

686
00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:11,040
Speaker 1: and Scream, Sydney kills one of the bad guys and

687
00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:13,240
Speaker 1: then Gail kills the other one. So it's two women

688
00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:18,239
Speaker 1: triumphing another. Like audience going nuts moment when she was

689
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:23,160
Speaker 1: like safety is off that time, asshole like erupts. Yeah,

690
00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:26,080
Speaker 1: it's a good audience. It's a good audience movie. Like

691
00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:27,759
Speaker 1: you gotta see it with a crowd. I kind of

692
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:30,560
Speaker 1: want I'm sure there's public screen because I've around this

693
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:39,000
Speaker 1: time of the year. I kind of want to go group. Okay,

694
00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:42,520
Speaker 1: maybe we shouldn't. Yeah, well, we gotta take another quick break.

695
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:45,120
Speaker 1: So let's take a break and figure out the plans

696
00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:52,719
Speaker 1: for that, and then we'll come right back going back

697
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:56,960
Speaker 1: quickly to like the movie, calling attention to tropes, but

698
00:39:57,040 --> 00:40:01,960
Speaker 1: maybe not necessarily fully understanding the implications of what they're saying,

699
00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:04,360
Speaker 1: and kind of like not taking it far enough in

700
00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:07,960
Speaker 1: terms of commentary. For example, towards the end whenever like

701
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:14,800
Speaker 1: Randy and the Gang are watching Halloween as Stew's house friends,

702
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:19,359
Speaker 1: he's kind of, you know, going through the rules and

703
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:22,120
Speaker 1: the tropes, and he's saying, he's like, Jamie Lee was

704
00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:24,720
Speaker 1: always the virgin in horror movies. That's why she always

705
00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:26,920
Speaker 1: outsmarted the killer and the big chasing at the end.

706
00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:30,560
Speaker 1: There's certain rules that one must abide by to successfully

707
00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:33,080
Speaker 1: survive a horror movie. For instance, Number one, you can

708
00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:35,959
Speaker 1: never have sex. Sex equals death. Number two, you can't

709
00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:39,239
Speaker 1: drink or do drugs. Number three never say I'll be

710
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:42,719
Speaker 1: right back. Yeah, He's like he's monologueing out in this

711
00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:45,040
Speaker 1: Staies where there are a few parts of this movie

712
00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:48,400
Speaker 1: where I'm like, okay, like we're laying it on a

713
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:53,200
Speaker 1: bit fit. Yeh. So he's calling attention to these tropes,

714
00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:56,200
Speaker 1: but I would argue that there's not a whole lot

715
00:40:56,280 --> 00:41:01,160
Speaker 1: of active commentary being made. Well, I mean kind of

716
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:04,239
Speaker 1: like what we were just talking about it's like the

717
00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:06,640
Speaker 1: people gets to this's like no, but women have that

718
00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:12,400
Speaker 1: sex before, can escape alive and can have agency. I

719
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:15,160
Speaker 1: don't know, I mean, I guess I was just thinking

720
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:17,239
Speaker 1: about myself in high school and like, well, where does

721
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:20,560
Speaker 1: that leave all the virgins? That used to be the

722
00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:22,880
Speaker 1: only thing we had was that we could live, and

723
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:26,919
Speaker 1: now what we got to work with we got nothing? Yeah,

724
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:29,600
Speaker 1: there's I mean in terms of I think this movie

725
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:36,240
Speaker 1: came out at a time where starting to acknowledge media

726
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:40,160
Speaker 1: tropes in text is becoming trendy, but not necessarily doing

727
00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:42,960
Speaker 1: much about it because this is like, you know, third

728
00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:48,360
Speaker 1: wave feminism time. This is squarely in the like girl power.

729
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:55,040
Speaker 1: But as we see in this not very diverse movie

730
00:41:55,239 --> 00:41:59,160
Speaker 1: in terms of race or once again, women's body types,

731
00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:03,920
Speaker 1: it's like, Okay, there is some level of catharsis and

732
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:07,759
Speaker 1: liberation for women, but only a very specific type of women, young,

733
00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:13,480
Speaker 1: conventionally attractive, white, straight women exactly. Uh. And that I

734
00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:16,399
Speaker 1: mean I think that that shows up in almost every

735
00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:20,320
Speaker 1: movie of this era of you also can be a

736
00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:24,800
Speaker 1: murderer if you look hot and played by the rules.

737
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:29,719
Speaker 1: Like there. It's progressive for its time, but it's certainly not. Yeah,

738
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:32,680
Speaker 1: and it's a little I would maybe a little disappointing

739
00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:34,719
Speaker 1: coming from Wes Craven because he had a string of

740
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:37,839
Speaker 1: movies before that that are a little more like progressive.

741
00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:39,840
Speaker 1: The People Under the Stairs, I think, is one of

742
00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:44,120
Speaker 1: like just like familiar. It's so it's I mean, I'm

743
00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:45,839
Speaker 1: gonna say all this with a grain of salt because

744
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:47,600
Speaker 1: I haven't watched any of these movies in like years,

745
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:50,360
Speaker 1: but you know, People Under the Stairs is a horror

746
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:54,920
Speaker 1: movie about like gentrification that puts a young black kid

747
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:57,239
Speaker 1: at the at the center of the movie. Uh, and

748
00:42:57,320 --> 00:42:59,560
Speaker 1: it's so good and so freaky and like, um and

749
00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:01,800
Speaker 1: he actual I think he did a little more interesting

750
00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:04,880
Speaker 1: stuff with just the idea of like these meta narratives

751
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:08,160
Speaker 1: a couple of years before with New Nightmare. Um, but

752
00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:10,239
Speaker 1: this is kind of all that stuff. I feel like

753
00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:12,080
Speaker 1: Scream was kind of like dealing with the same stuff

754
00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:14,000
Speaker 1: as a New Nightmare. I don't want to say dumbed down,

755
00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:18,360
Speaker 1: but like, you know, for a mass audi broader for

756
00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:22,440
Speaker 1: a broader audience. Right. And then the screenwriter, Kevin Williamson,

757
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:25,480
Speaker 1: I mean kind of builds his his career on and

758
00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:27,960
Speaker 1: I love a lot of a lot of his work.

759
00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:30,040
Speaker 1: It's a lot to me where for what else is

760
00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:34,360
Speaker 1: he does? So he is the force behind Dawson's Creek.

761
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:39,960
Speaker 1: Ever heard of the Vampire Diaries, Screams one, two, and four?

762
00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:42,600
Speaker 1: I know what you did last summer The Faculty, which

763
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:44,920
Speaker 1: I think might be like The Faculty might be the

764
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:48,400
Speaker 1: one movie from this wave of late nineties horror that

765
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:51,120
Speaker 1: I actually like more than the screen. Really I love

766
00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:53,399
Speaker 1: The Faculty. Well, I've never seen the factor. I don't

767
00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:58,680
Speaker 1: think it is Elijah Wood, Josh Hart, Josh Hartnett, Yes,

768
00:43:59,120 --> 00:44:05,680
Speaker 1: Um being new Worth is in it. Stewart is okay.

769
00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:08,440
Speaker 1: But there is this through line even with like this

770
00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:13,719
Speaker 1: specific relatively progressive writer's work, where in a lot of

771
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:17,200
Speaker 1: these and I'm pulling mainly from Dawson's Creek in early

772
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:20,680
Speaker 1: Vampire Diaries, where there's a lot of well written female

773
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:25,319
Speaker 1: characters that are making active choices, they're complicated, they have backstories.

774
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:29,360
Speaker 1: But again, like in Scream, it's almost across all the

775
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:32,080
Speaker 1: work we just mentioned a very specific type of what

776
00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:37,360
Speaker 1: that this agency is available to um Scream to comments

777
00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:42,680
Speaker 1: on the lack of diversity in horror movies to some extent,

778
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:46,840
Speaker 1: Um and that movie seems to have have made like

779
00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:49,839
Speaker 1: a more conscious effort in terms of casting to cast

780
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:52,239
Speaker 1: more people of color in the movie, but all of

781
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:55,680
Speaker 1: those characters are in supporting roles, none of them are

782
00:44:55,719 --> 00:44:58,440
Speaker 1: really in the main cast. And then that effort to

783
00:44:58,719 --> 00:45:02,000
Speaker 1: be more inclusive in the sequels after that in Scream

784
00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:05,799
Speaker 1: three and four just doesn't happen again. I mean, as

785
00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:07,920
Speaker 1: I remember, Scream To just kind of opens with like

786
00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:12,160
Speaker 1: like the opening murder is um who it's Jada P.

787
00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:15,360
Speaker 1: Smith and her boyfriend. I forget who plays your boyfriends?

788
00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:18,920
Speaker 1: So do I add a screaming of stab, which is

789
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:21,799
Speaker 1: the fake franchises in the Scream universe at the book.

790
00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:24,839
Speaker 1: You get it, but like that, you know, so it's it's, it's.

791
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:27,080
Speaker 1: It does very much feel like they're it's like, Okay,

792
00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:29,840
Speaker 1: we paid lip service to this idea, we're acknowledging it.

793
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:31,640
Speaker 1: Now let us get on and make the real movie.

794
00:45:32,040 --> 00:45:35,680
Speaker 1: Yeah right, yeah, yeah. It feels like certainly more could

795
00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:39,600
Speaker 1: have been done to acknowledge the lack of diversity in

796
00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:44,000
Speaker 1: horror movies, certainly in screen the first screame because that

797
00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:46,719
Speaker 1: does not happen at all, um, And then even when

798
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:49,160
Speaker 1: Scream Too, when it does make an attempt it. It

799
00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:52,439
Speaker 1: kind of just isn't really enough, especially if you're doing

800
00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:56,600
Speaker 1: meta commentary about the horror genre. I mean, there is

801
00:45:56,880 --> 00:45:59,000
Speaker 1: like such a kind of, like going back as far

802
00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:01,480
Speaker 1: as like not a Living Dead, a rich history of

803
00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:05,480
Speaker 1: using horror as a template to talk about rays that

804
00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:08,719
Speaker 1: it almost feels negligent, like willfully negligent on the side

805
00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:10,400
Speaker 1: of the side of these of the people who are

806
00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:12,560
Speaker 1: making this metal horror film not to like bring that

807
00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:15,719
Speaker 1: into the conversation, like like even like going back as

808
00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:18,400
Speaker 1: far as like the Twilight Zone, you know, like horror

809
00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:20,320
Speaker 1: is a horse has always been used as kind of

810
00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:23,040
Speaker 1: a platform to talk about like more progressive things because

811
00:46:23,080 --> 00:46:24,840
Speaker 1: like people like Ron sid only know he said, you

812
00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:26,839
Speaker 1: could like to al rate talking about this stuff when

813
00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:29,680
Speaker 1: you bring spooky stuff into the mix. So I don't know,

814
00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:32,719
Speaker 1: it's frustrating. Yeah, this, I mean this whole a lot

815
00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:36,839
Speaker 1: a lot of like Clinton era movies for for whatever reason,

816
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:40,720
Speaker 1: they are willing to acknowledge the problem, but then also

817
00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:43,640
Speaker 1: take little to no action to solve it, where it's like, Okay,

818
00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:45,399
Speaker 1: thank you for bringing it to our attention that you're

819
00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:47,880
Speaker 1: aware there's a lack of diversity, and then straight up

820
00:46:48,040 --> 00:46:52,839
Speaker 1: like show white people for three hours. It's just bizarre. Yeah,

821
00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:55,759
Speaker 1: this falls squarely in that span of years where that's

822
00:46:55,960 --> 00:46:58,520
Speaker 1: that's happening. It's like the first movie on this podcast

823
00:46:58,640 --> 00:47:01,520
Speaker 1: that we really started to unpack the kind of like

824
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:08,719
Speaker 1: semi empty girl power message of the nineties is Spice World. Ironically,

825
00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:11,160
Speaker 1: you did that with a man the Meadhouse, right. Yes,

826
00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:19,160
Speaker 1: she's a biggest fan bet Um right, because that one

827
00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:22,920
Speaker 1: had just so much kind of like empty quote unquote

828
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:25,680
Speaker 1: feminism where it's like you go, girl girl power, but

829
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:30,480
Speaker 1: it was like corporate feminism and they's still, you know,

830
00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:34,719
Speaker 1: subscribe to a lot of the tropes that are regressive

831
00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:38,040
Speaker 1: toward women. And it became a buzz. It became like, yes,

832
00:47:38,080 --> 00:47:40,840
Speaker 1: a marketing strategy. It's like it's like a girl power

833
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:43,719
Speaker 1: by a pink pullar right camera. And I think to

834
00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:48,200
Speaker 1: some extent there that is happening now too, And it's

835
00:47:48,239 --> 00:47:51,360
Speaker 1: like I try to be really like mindful of that

836
00:47:51,560 --> 00:47:53,960
Speaker 1: when i'm you know, just it's it's a weekend. I'm

837
00:47:54,040 --> 00:47:58,200
Speaker 1: strolling through let's say the Glendale Galleria my closest mom.

838
00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:03,080
Speaker 1: They're yeah, I love the Glenda Gallery, and it's just

839
00:48:03,160 --> 00:48:05,839
Speaker 1: a quick quit A couple of steps, and then you're

840
00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:08,919
Speaker 1: at the Americana and you're just at another great mall.

841
00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:15,040
Speaker 1: Park once got two malls, the mall, I love shopping.

842
00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:18,880
Speaker 1: I got shopping. I got these great French fries at

843
00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:22,920
Speaker 1: the Americana the other day, anyways, but walking through, like

844
00:48:23,600 --> 00:48:27,160
Speaker 1: you know, it's because it is such a precarious, strange

845
00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:30,759
Speaker 1: moment in time where we care about women's issues again,

846
00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:34,520
Speaker 1: but do we kind of thing. I think that's reflected

847
00:48:34,560 --> 00:48:37,239
Speaker 1: in marketing so much. We're like even walking through my

848
00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:39,839
Speaker 1: favorite mall the other day, my favorite in dorm hall

849
00:48:39,880 --> 00:48:45,279
Speaker 1: across the street from my favorite dormlly perfect perfectly love.

850
00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:50,680
Speaker 1: There's Apple stores at both ye. Anyways, there's something going

851
00:48:50,719 --> 00:48:53,799
Speaker 1: to I want to go to the mall. But there

852
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:56,720
Speaker 1: is like a concentrated effort right now to play into

853
00:48:56,760 --> 00:48:59,719
Speaker 1: that especially, and where I find it especially sinister is

854
00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:04,799
Speaker 1: with empty messages about like body acceptance. There's this I'm

855
00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:07,480
Speaker 1: thinking of a campaign that Lush is doing right now

856
00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:11,920
Speaker 1: to sell soap, and it's like, hey, anybody type can

857
00:49:12,040 --> 00:49:14,640
Speaker 1: use our soap. You're like, yeah, no, ship, it's soap.

858
00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:19,120
Speaker 1: And then it's like me to the soap, and you're like, fuck,

859
00:49:19,239 --> 00:49:21,920
Speaker 1: you're me too, Like there. But then but then it's

860
00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:23,840
Speaker 1: like you go across the then you just like go

861
00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:26,359
Speaker 1: across them all to like Forever twenty one where they're

862
00:49:26,400 --> 00:49:29,040
Speaker 1: not selling Like those are the stores that like won't

863
00:49:29,120 --> 00:49:32,040
Speaker 1: sell clothes into like the extra large sizes because they

864
00:49:32,160 --> 00:49:35,960
Speaker 1: don't want like big women. Yeah. So it's like, yeah,

865
00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:38,799
Speaker 1: and you know, that's something ideal with a lot um,

866
00:49:39,560 --> 00:49:42,240
Speaker 1: But there's a lot of times where this girl power

867
00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:45,719
Speaker 1: messaging that's happening now feels a little shallow because you

868
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:49,800
Speaker 1: don't see it extended to like, you know, extends everywhere.

869
00:49:50,080 --> 00:49:54,200
Speaker 1: It's pretty exclusionary still, right, and just like capitalizing on

870
00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:57,200
Speaker 1: a moment while doing nothing to actually support it. I

871
00:49:57,280 --> 00:49:59,920
Speaker 1: guess I'm just like, yeah, but everyone should check o

872
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:03,120
Speaker 1: the Blundell Gallery a great food court, yeah, to like

873
00:50:03,160 --> 00:50:04,920
Speaker 1: and then there's a little side food card if you

874
00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:08,800
Speaker 1: go up there. Yeah, guys, take a weekend. It's just

875
00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:11,359
Speaker 1: one day at the gallery out, one day at the Americana.

876
00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:15,040
Speaker 1: You're it's you're just have a full weekend. Our friend,

877
00:50:15,200 --> 00:50:18,080
Speaker 1: our friend calls it was Jared called. Jared calls it

878
00:50:18,200 --> 00:50:22,160
Speaker 1: like the Paris of California. It's just the Americana. Is

879
00:50:22,760 --> 00:50:25,000
Speaker 1: hey can afford to go to Paris. Check out the Americana.

880
00:50:25,040 --> 00:50:28,520
Speaker 1: There's a water fountain in movie and it's already synked

881
00:50:28,600 --> 00:50:31,320
Speaker 1: up two songs from the Polar Express. Christmas starts early

882
00:50:32,080 --> 00:50:35,719
Speaker 1: at the Americana. Oh, they go way out of their way.

883
00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:38,719
Speaker 1: I saw when I was at the Americana. Sorry, one

884
00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:41,400
Speaker 1: more thing about the Americana. I was I was getting

885
00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:43,400
Speaker 1: my computer fixed on a Monday, so I was like, oh,

886
00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:45,799
Speaker 1: it's a quiet time in the Americana. There was an

887
00:50:45,880 --> 00:50:49,760
Speaker 1: old couple watching the water fountain display and like crying.

888
00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:52,000
Speaker 1: They thought it was like eleven in the morning. I

889
00:50:52,080 --> 00:50:54,719
Speaker 1: was like, guys, what are we doing here there? But

890
00:50:54,840 --> 00:50:58,640
Speaker 1: they were so moved were they by the Americana water displays.

891
00:50:58,719 --> 00:51:01,800
Speaker 1: They were both crying and hold hants. That's beautiful. I know,

892
00:51:03,200 --> 00:51:06,880
Speaker 1: like God, well, not to you know, derail this Glendelle

893
00:51:06,920 --> 00:51:10,520
Speaker 1: Galeria conversation, but kind of we're tying it back to

894
00:51:10,600 --> 00:51:12,520
Speaker 1: what we had been talking about in terms of like

895
00:51:12,640 --> 00:51:15,880
Speaker 1: the exclusionary you know, soap is for everybody type and

896
00:51:15,960 --> 00:51:19,279
Speaker 1: it's like, there is a moment where Courtney Cox fat

897
00:51:19,360 --> 00:51:23,160
Speaker 1: shames her camera guy. Other than that, I would say

898
00:51:23,239 --> 00:51:27,480
Speaker 1: there's not as much actively problematic stuff that happens in

899
00:51:27,560 --> 00:51:31,960
Speaker 1: this movie. Um O, mission, it's a mission. Yeah. And

900
00:51:32,080 --> 00:51:37,400
Speaker 1: then compare this to the Scream parody of scary movie that,

901
00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:42,560
Speaker 1: like I said, relies entirely on problematic jokes. So also

902
00:51:42,680 --> 00:51:47,120
Speaker 1: this movie was supposed to be called scary movie crazy. Also,

903
00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:49,279
Speaker 1: we would be remiss not to say, you know, it

904
00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:53,680
Speaker 1: is a Weinstein joint. Yes, it certainly is, and should

905
00:51:53,719 --> 00:51:56,200
Speaker 1: we I don't know how much it's worth talking about

906
00:51:56,239 --> 00:52:00,600
Speaker 1: to bring up Rose McGowan, who plays Tatum, that you know,

907
00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:05,600
Speaker 1: she's been very outspoken about the me Too movement, but

908
00:52:05,800 --> 00:52:09,879
Speaker 1: she also, you know, says some problematic things that are

909
00:52:10,040 --> 00:52:13,400
Speaker 1: fairly turfy at times. I think it's important to remember

910
00:52:13,560 --> 00:52:16,400
Speaker 1: there is no perfect advocate for a movement, and if

911
00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:20,640
Speaker 1: you're putting all your chips behind one specific advocate, probably

912
00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:23,920
Speaker 1: not smart thing to do for your chips. Find the movement,

913
00:52:24,040 --> 00:52:26,839
Speaker 1: not a specific person, but it is unfortunately I mean

914
00:52:27,120 --> 00:52:29,719
Speaker 1: there and and if I'm recalling correctly, I did a

915
00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:33,680
Speaker 1: little bit of a little little light goog on the subject,

916
00:52:34,200 --> 00:52:38,720
Speaker 1: and it appears that the issues with Weinstein and McGowan

917
00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:44,960
Speaker 1: happened after Scream in nineties seven. Interesting, just just the

918
00:52:45,040 --> 00:52:47,520
Speaker 1: thing I might be wrong but I don't think. I

919
00:52:47,640 --> 00:52:50,960
Speaker 1: think that just was those wave of like Dimension and

920
00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:54,120
Speaker 1: Mirror Max films that they weren't actively involved with. It's

921
00:52:54,160 --> 00:52:56,279
Speaker 1: just like their names were on everything. Although I do

922
00:52:56,440 --> 00:52:58,640
Speaker 1: know it was them who decided to change the name

923
00:52:58,719 --> 00:53:02,320
Speaker 1: from Scary Movie to screen. The only active participation I

924
00:53:02,440 --> 00:53:05,279
Speaker 1: know they have in the movie got it. I mean,

925
00:53:05,320 --> 00:53:07,160
Speaker 1: they still got money for it, so I'm not happy.

926
00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:12,359
Speaker 1: But also a weird, like weird Hollywood reporter story came

927
00:53:12,400 --> 00:53:15,200
Speaker 1: out as the me too movement was like starting this

928
00:53:15,360 --> 00:53:18,279
Speaker 1: time last year, and Skeet Ulridge for some reason took

929
00:53:18,320 --> 00:53:21,279
Speaker 1: it upon himself to be like, yeah, I also knew

930
00:53:21,320 --> 00:53:23,840
Speaker 1: Harvey one Steam was bad, And like, Skeet, can you

931
00:53:24,040 --> 00:53:26,880
Speaker 1: sit down for like a second. Don't they need you

932
00:53:27,120 --> 00:53:30,359
Speaker 1: on set over at Riverdale? Don't you need to play

933
00:53:30,440 --> 00:53:34,520
Speaker 1: some Fedora asshole? I don't you need to be brooding

934
00:53:34,560 --> 00:53:37,160
Speaker 1: in a jail cell somewhere, a fake jail cell. Not

935
00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:42,120
Speaker 1: I'm not advocating sending skates to real jail. Not yet.

936
00:53:43,160 --> 00:53:45,320
Speaker 1: Show us the receipts and we'll send Skeek to jail.

937
00:53:47,280 --> 00:53:52,120
Speaker 1: Does anyone have any final thoughts about Scream? I just

938
00:53:52,280 --> 00:53:58,000
Speaker 1: really enjoyed it. Yeah, there's blind spots, mostly biomission. But

939
00:53:58,160 --> 00:54:01,160
Speaker 1: I really liked it. Yeah, I love this movie, and

940
00:54:01,200 --> 00:54:02,719
Speaker 1: I came out it was a lot of fun to

941
00:54:02,880 --> 00:54:05,640
Speaker 1: revisit it. The one moment I've always loved in the

942
00:54:05,719 --> 00:54:08,000
Speaker 1: movie is when everyone at the party finds out the

943
00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:10,160
Speaker 1: Principles and murdered and they're like fuck yeah, and then

944
00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:12,839
Speaker 1: they like take off to I'm like, what is wrong

945
00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:16,680
Speaker 1: with these kids? These kids reaction to finding out people

946
00:54:17,520 --> 00:54:21,360
Speaker 1: are like they're so stoked. It's so they're a heartless.

947
00:54:21,440 --> 00:54:23,719
Speaker 1: I really want to I really want to see the

948
00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:26,319
Speaker 1: moment where they get to the like the football field,

949
00:54:26,360 --> 00:54:28,800
Speaker 1: to see like Principal Henry Winkler like strung up and

950
00:54:28,840 --> 00:54:31,279
Speaker 1: they just like the gravity of what they're actually doing

951
00:54:31,360 --> 00:54:33,120
Speaker 1: hits them and they're like right, and oh my god,

952
00:54:33,440 --> 00:54:36,000
Speaker 1: a person is dead. I thought this is just fun,

953
00:54:36,120 --> 00:54:38,480
Speaker 1: but a person Principle is dead. I mean he didn't

954
00:54:38,480 --> 00:54:44,400
Speaker 1: get along with him, but but he doesn't deserve it. Yeah, Jamie,

955
00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:47,680
Speaker 1: you mentioned this a bit on the Halloween episode where

956
00:54:48,120 --> 00:54:51,120
Speaker 1: in that movie and in this movie as well, it's

957
00:54:51,239 --> 00:54:57,320
Speaker 1: clear that the people who are displaying toxic masculinity and

958
00:54:58,040 --> 00:55:01,239
Speaker 1: you know, other negative quality these it's clear that they

959
00:55:01,320 --> 00:55:04,360
Speaker 1: are the bad guys because often we find in movies

960
00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:10,719
Speaker 1: where you know, the hero is also ripe with toxic masculinity,

961
00:55:10,800 --> 00:55:20,240
Speaker 1: but we're still raped. But um, because in different moments

962
00:55:20,440 --> 00:55:25,360
Speaker 1: of this movie, we see like Billy emotionally manipulating his

963
00:55:25,480 --> 00:55:28,919
Speaker 1: girlfriend by being like, you're still upset about your dead mom?

964
00:55:29,200 --> 00:55:32,160
Speaker 1: You fucking loser. Why don't you just have sex with

965
00:55:32,280 --> 00:55:35,200
Speaker 1: me already? God? And it's like, oh, okay, so you're

966
00:55:35,680 --> 00:55:39,399
Speaker 1: you know, abusive and in gaslighting and uh, and then

967
00:55:39,440 --> 00:55:42,200
Speaker 1: he ends up being the bad guys. So also those

968
00:55:42,239 --> 00:55:44,560
Speaker 1: when one last thing I wanted to say about Sydney

969
00:55:44,800 --> 00:55:50,120
Speaker 1: is that like kickstarting stuff with the brutal murder of

970
00:55:50,640 --> 00:55:52,440
Speaker 1: a woman, and I think they say rape as well.

971
00:55:52,960 --> 00:55:57,160
Speaker 1: There's issues of Sydney's mom that's in the report. The

972
00:55:57,239 --> 00:56:00,600
Speaker 1: report yes that I mean both was like a reference

973
00:56:00,640 --> 00:56:02,960
Speaker 1: to Halloween and just like, boy, we're killing a woman

974
00:56:03,000 --> 00:56:07,680
Speaker 1: to start the story. But you do see Sydney dealing

975
00:56:07,800 --> 00:56:10,280
Speaker 1: with that trauma in a way that at least seems

976
00:56:10,560 --> 00:56:14,040
Speaker 1: for this universe to be relatively honest, and it's not

977
00:56:14,280 --> 00:56:16,399
Speaker 1: the sort of story where it's like, oh, yeah, we're

978
00:56:16,440 --> 00:56:18,320
Speaker 1: just throwing this in there to get the story started

979
00:56:18,360 --> 00:56:21,280
Speaker 1: and it has no actual narrative impact on our main character.

980
00:56:21,480 --> 00:56:23,719
Speaker 1: So it's happy to see that. And I also, and

981
00:56:23,880 --> 00:56:25,919
Speaker 1: I mean regards to actually both of what you're saying,

982
00:56:26,280 --> 00:56:29,960
Speaker 1: especially like the display of understanding and display of toxic salinity.

983
00:56:30,200 --> 00:56:31,320
Speaker 1: I think a lot of that might have to do

984
00:56:31,360 --> 00:56:34,200
Speaker 1: with the fact that, like Williamson is a like queer writer,

985
00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:36,920
Speaker 1: so he's not he's not writing from the inside. He's

986
00:56:36,960 --> 00:56:39,359
Speaker 1: kind of writing from the outside a little bit when

987
00:56:39,400 --> 00:56:41,279
Speaker 1: he's dealing with character, and I think maybe he can

988
00:56:41,360 --> 00:56:44,680
Speaker 1: see them with a little less like hero worship than like, say,

989
00:56:44,880 --> 00:56:47,879
Speaker 1: a you know, someone who might see themselves in Billy

990
00:56:48,000 --> 00:56:51,399
Speaker 1: Loomis would right. And I would say overall, in terms

991
00:56:51,480 --> 00:56:54,640
Speaker 1: of like the character development of the you know, main

992
00:56:54,760 --> 00:56:58,760
Speaker 1: female characters we get to know, which is mostly Sydney

993
00:56:58,960 --> 00:57:02,840
Speaker 1: and Gail Weather, we don't know a whole ton about

994
00:57:02,920 --> 00:57:06,680
Speaker 1: them outside of how they relate to this specific story.

995
00:57:06,800 --> 00:57:09,080
Speaker 1: It's not like, you know, we're like, oh, and Sydney

996
00:57:09,800 --> 00:57:14,279
Speaker 1: loves chemistry and you know, stuff like that. But you know,

997
00:57:14,360 --> 00:57:19,680
Speaker 1: there's only so much you can accomplish. But it didn't

998
00:57:19,720 --> 00:57:22,280
Speaker 1: super bother me in this movie, because you know, this

999
00:57:22,400 --> 00:57:25,200
Speaker 1: movie has an agenda and Also, it's not like we

1000
00:57:25,320 --> 00:57:27,640
Speaker 1: know that much more about the male characters either. There's

1001
00:57:27,680 --> 00:57:30,600
Speaker 1: not like a massive imbalance, Like it's just the story

1002
00:57:31,240 --> 00:57:33,800
Speaker 1: doesn't tell you much about the teenagers outside of their

1003
00:57:33,840 --> 00:57:39,360
Speaker 1: sex lives. And they all love horror movies the insanely

1004
00:57:39,440 --> 00:57:43,680
Speaker 1: specific knowledge. Yeah, well I like this movie. Yeah, it's

1005
00:57:43,920 --> 00:57:46,520
Speaker 1: damn it. I want you to see the the other three.

1006
00:57:47,120 --> 00:57:51,880
Speaker 1: Let's watch them together. Okay, Okay, Hey does this movie

1007
00:57:51,920 --> 00:57:58,600
Speaker 1: pass the Bechdel test quite a few times between quite

1008
00:57:58,640 --> 00:58:02,160
Speaker 1: a few different combinations of characters that passes. Between Sid

1009
00:58:02,400 --> 00:58:07,120
Speaker 1: and Tatum early on, men get mentioned in this conversation,

1010
00:58:07,560 --> 00:58:11,560
Speaker 1: but there are two line exchanges that pass. Whenever said's like, hey,

1011
00:58:11,720 --> 00:58:14,360
Speaker 1: what's going on at our school? And she's like, oh,

1012
00:58:14,520 --> 00:58:19,080
Speaker 1: some teens were killed that we know. There is scene

1013
00:58:19,080 --> 00:58:22,480
Speaker 1: between Sydney and Gayl where the whole thing passes as

1014
00:58:22,520 --> 00:58:24,640
Speaker 1: far as I could tell. Oh, and I think Tatum

1015
00:58:24,680 --> 00:58:27,280
Speaker 1: is there too, where like she's like, get away from her,

1016
00:58:27,360 --> 00:58:29,480
Speaker 1: don't ask questions. Is none of your damn business. Blah

1017
00:58:29,520 --> 00:58:32,280
Speaker 1: blah blah. Yeah. So there's there's quite a few scenes

1018
00:58:32,360 --> 00:58:36,360
Speaker 1: where the movie passes the Epectel tests. It's get impressively.

1019
00:58:36,400 --> 00:58:39,840
Speaker 1: So yeah, and we've talked about this before. Of the

1020
00:58:40,040 --> 00:58:43,200
Speaker 1: you know, a few horror movies, we've covered that so far,

1021
00:58:43,280 --> 00:58:45,400
Speaker 1: it seems like all of them passed. And it's because

1022
00:58:45,520 --> 00:58:49,600
Speaker 1: horror movies have to be populated by many women so

1023
00:58:49,720 --> 00:58:52,120
Speaker 1: that they can get murdered. But before they get murdered,

1024
00:58:52,160 --> 00:58:55,000
Speaker 1: they talked to each other. But Catch twenty two and

1025
00:58:55,120 --> 00:58:58,080
Speaker 1: they and they usually have to talk because of what's

1026
00:58:58,120 --> 00:58:59,720
Speaker 1: happened in the movie. They probably have to talk about

1027
00:58:59,760 --> 00:59:03,520
Speaker 1: something aside an an, Hey, did you hear about our

1028
00:59:03,800 --> 00:59:09,160
Speaker 1: our friend Sally getting murdered? She got I guess it's

1029
00:59:09,200 --> 00:59:12,480
Speaker 1: all the Saw movies past the Fidel task, which is

1030
00:59:12,560 --> 00:59:14,640
Speaker 1: just another period of the flawed metrics. What are we

1031
00:59:14,680 --> 00:59:17,520
Speaker 1: going to do about these traps? So many traps. There

1032
00:59:17,760 --> 00:59:21,400
Speaker 1: a lot of knives in this room. Christie, Christie, agree,

1033
00:59:22,200 --> 00:59:24,920
Speaker 1: don't put your hand in that needle pile. Christopher Coops

1034
00:59:25,000 --> 00:59:29,080
Speaker 1: might be passes. So let's write the movie on our

1035
00:59:29,120 --> 00:59:32,040
Speaker 1: nipple scale, where we rate it zero to five nipples

1036
00:59:32,040 --> 00:59:35,440
Speaker 1: based on its portrayal and representation of women. I'm going

1037
00:59:35,480 --> 00:59:40,640
Speaker 1: to give this one. I would say a three. I

1038
00:59:40,800 --> 00:59:46,080
Speaker 1: suppose I can go right yeah, because we see the

1039
00:59:46,320 --> 00:59:50,160
Speaker 1: female characters being a bit more active and more motivated

1040
00:59:50,240 --> 00:59:55,600
Speaker 1: than they are in typical slasher movies. We don't see

1041
00:59:55,760 --> 00:59:58,919
Speaker 1: like the gratuitous nudity that we often see. We don't.

1042
00:59:59,280 --> 01:00:02,640
Speaker 1: While it does still align with some of the tropes,

1043
01:00:02,680 --> 01:00:05,160
Speaker 1: it also kind of redefines some of the troops and

1044
01:00:05,280 --> 01:00:07,800
Speaker 1: it subverts some of them. So, you know, the whole

1045
01:00:08,120 --> 01:00:11,160
Speaker 1: final girl has to be innocent virgin type is kind

1046
01:00:11,160 --> 01:00:13,080
Speaker 1: of thrown out the window with this um they save

1047
01:00:13,160 --> 01:00:17,240
Speaker 1: themselves at the end. There is parody between the number

1048
01:00:17,480 --> 01:00:21,880
Speaker 1: of men versus women who get attacked. So I think

1049
01:00:21,920 --> 01:00:25,600
Speaker 1: it handles things better than you know, the seventies and

1050
01:00:25,720 --> 01:00:30,320
Speaker 1: eighties slasher flicks that audiences had gotten accustomed to up

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Speaker 1: until you know, the release of Scream. But as we

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Speaker 1: also pointed out, there is no diversity in terms of race,

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Speaker 1: in terms of identity and sexuality and body type and

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Speaker 1: all of that stuff. So it's still the story of young,

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Speaker 1: hot white women, which a character like Gail Weathers continues

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Speaker 1: to help sensationalize. And yeah, yeah, so it doesn't handle

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Speaker 1: everything the best that it could, but it's a step

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Speaker 1: certainly in a better direction for slasher movies. So yeah,

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Speaker 1: three nipples and I'm gonna give one to Sydney. I'm

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Speaker 1: going to give one to Gail, and I'm gonna throw

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Speaker 1: one to our pal Lillard. Lillard, Oh boy, I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: go for three as well. Um, we already discussed kind

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Speaker 1: of it's mostly progress on a surface level and that

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Speaker 1: it's hetero white movie. Inside of the world. Women have

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Speaker 1: more agency than most popular horror movies up toil this point,

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Speaker 1: and I'm sure seeing this movie in theaters was cathartic

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Speaker 1: for a lot of people. And it's just interesting to see, uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, in a horror movie two characters Gail and Sydney,

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Speaker 1: who are who don't just survive, They survive and they

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Speaker 1: thrive and they come together like I don't know if

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Speaker 1: like there's a lot going on, like theme wise, there's

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Speaker 1: a lot in Scream. But one of the things, one

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Speaker 1: of the light themes I took out of it is is, oh,

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Speaker 1: it is about how kind of media and society like

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Speaker 1: work to like keep women at odds with each other,

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Speaker 1: because like the whole movie, they're at odds with each other.

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Speaker 1: At the end, when she's like, how about this story

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Speaker 1: reporter like killed two assahole teenagers murderers, and and he's

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Speaker 1: like I like that story. Yeah, it's like we always say,

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Speaker 1: people trying to keep women fighting, so because if we

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Speaker 1: talk to each other then the scam is exposed. Uh

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Speaker 1: So so yeah, I mean there's most of this movie

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Speaker 1: is like terrific, and it's definitely paved the way for

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Speaker 1: even more progressive work to be made. Uh and a

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Speaker 1: bunch of weird not great work. So such a scary

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Speaker 1: movie and that whole franchise the cost of success. Yeah, anyway,

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Speaker 1: it's given it three nippies. Of course again, I tossed

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Speaker 1: one to Lillard, give him a full set where I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna kick one over to Casey because Drew Barrymore just

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Speaker 1: she belts it. Uh, And I'm gonna give my last

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Speaker 1: one again. I might just for like nostalgia and being

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01:03:01,480 --> 01:03:04,080
Speaker 1: matter factor, Like I might bump it up to four

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Speaker 1: because I totally agree with everything you guys are saying. Um,

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01:03:08,360 --> 01:03:10,600
Speaker 1: but I don't know they're just being there for that

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01:03:10,720 --> 01:03:13,040
Speaker 1: movie at the time was released like in a giant

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01:03:13,280 --> 01:03:16,640
Speaker 1: crowded audience, was like it did feel like something special,

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Speaker 1: and it did feel like something we were seeing something

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Speaker 1: like you know, progressive and cool and new and like

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Speaker 1: I'll never like forget that experience of scene of like

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Speaker 1: you know, feeling that catharsis the first time I saw

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Speaker 1: it in a theater, and you know, this is just me.

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Speaker 1: I feel like looking back on it with like remembering

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Speaker 1: like kind of what horror was before that and kind

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Speaker 1: of what Scream took it to. But I can't help it,

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Speaker 1: Like you know, it is a very special movie to

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Speaker 1: me for that, and I'm gonna give it. I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: give it one extra nipple for for for that reason,

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Speaker 1: would you Oh, Um, I'm gonna give obviously Gail, Obviously, Sydney. Um,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna like also throw on to Tatum just for

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Speaker 1: that kick ass move where she like slams the freezer

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Speaker 1: door in Ghost Ghost Faces Face. Um, my last nipple

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Speaker 1: goes to Can I give it to Sydney Gail team

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Speaker 1: up at the end because I fucking love that mutual nip. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you's get one extra half nip. Well better like next

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Speaker 1: time Jamie Kennedy knips for you. This time He's only

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Speaker 1: in so many movies in the screen too, So we

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Speaker 1: got to watch it. Think or maybe when you get

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Speaker 1: the Son of Mask. Oh, there's that's like twenty years

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Speaker 1: from now, we're really scraping for movies, like, all right,

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Speaker 1: here's the Here's the Son of a Mask. Yeah, just

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Speaker 1: wait twenty years, Jamie, and then and hopefully, you know,

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Speaker 1: you'll be alive and thriving and doing even more experiments. Well,

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Speaker 1: by that point, the two of us will be married

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Speaker 1: and it will be the Jamie Ken Jamie Kennedy Experiment

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Speaker 1: Experiment awesome show. Anyways, Well, Joan, thank you so much

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Speaker 1: for beank, you for having me. This is a lot

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Speaker 1: of fun. Yeah, I love going back to nineties living

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Speaker 1: my high school years. Awesome. Where can people find you online?

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Speaker 1: What would you like to plug? You can find me

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Speaker 1: on Twitter or Instagram as Joan Hailey Ford. Other than that,

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Speaker 1: I'm at UCB pretty frequently. And watch out for Yabadaba

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Speaker 1: dinosaurs and Thundercat's roar, and don't forget to be on

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Speaker 1: the lookout. Also be alert and aware for Paula Blark

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Speaker 1: Calin and I are gonna hit. We're gonna go to

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Speaker 1: a Starbucks right now and start get taking story notes. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you could set it at the Americana. The twist is

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Speaker 1: it's an outdoormal. Yeah. World collidings. Oh, there's so much,

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Speaker 1: There's so many more. Threats. It's outside, it could rain.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god. Yeah, what's Paula going to do at

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Speaker 1: Oh god, We're gonna need a high budget. We're gonna

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Speaker 1: have to make that snow real. It could be a

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Speaker 1: oh yeah, it's a geo storm cross howe? Where is

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Speaker 1: that some some terroristism is causing a snowstorm in southern California? Oh?

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Speaker 1: about our East Coast tour that we're going to be

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Speaker 1: doing in early November, starting on November three, we're going

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Speaker 1: I scream, We all scream for Screaream franchise. Yeah, okay bye,

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Speaker 1: let me bye by