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Speaker 1: with My Homeboys Royal Royal Proper be like I'm going

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Speaker 1: Brown got their deal. Those were considered black. We consider

425
00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:12,200
Speaker 1: them black deals, meaning the average deal in l A

426
00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:15,919
Speaker 1: was a hundred fifty tho a signed actor. So they

427
00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:20,280
Speaker 1: got these deals. But Chicano rap it isn't black rap.

428
00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:24,040
Speaker 1: Cells like this bow and then stops it trickles, but

429
00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:27,840
Speaker 1: Chicana rapples slow, but it just seems to go forever.

430
00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:30,600
Speaker 1: It takes a long time to catch on solo. When

431
00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:33,200
Speaker 1: big labels put a hundred fifty tho a hundred fifty thousand,

432
00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:36,960
Speaker 1: they ain't working with this Mexican shin no more because

433
00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:40,400
Speaker 1: this made their money so fast, you know what I'm saying.

434
00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:43,160
Speaker 1: And this they're like, man, we can't get our money back,

435
00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:46,359
Speaker 1: so they started dropping so loose. That's why I had

436
00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:49,280
Speaker 1: to make my own label because labels didn't want to

437
00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:51,720
Speaker 1: put money on the Chikindo orders nowhere because the money

438
00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:55,200
Speaker 1: when they put out the Kid, Frost says, worldwide, everyone

439
00:23:55,359 --> 00:23:59,840
Speaker 1: loves it as Mexicans, right, but the world wipe. If

440
00:23:59,880 --> 00:24:02,680
Speaker 1: the black fan didn't like it, the white and the

441
00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:05,560
Speaker 1: Oriental fan didn't buy it, you know what I'm saying.

442
00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:08,320
Speaker 1: So the Mexicans we've We've changed a lot of that

443
00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:11,320
Speaker 1: and been a lot of a lot of hard work.

444
00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:15,320
Speaker 1: But so kids, Frost. You people think success, they see

445
00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:18,479
Speaker 1: a guy we're talking about videos and might say they

446
00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:21,639
Speaker 1: live that success, but their pockets might be empty. So

447
00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:25,920
Speaker 1: everyone saw this this guy's biggest song, like many aren't

448
00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:28,399
Speaker 1: you guys on MTV like him? But we were actually

449
00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:31,200
Speaker 1: making more money. We had the streets, we had, you know,

450
00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:33,600
Speaker 1: he just had. They owned that record, you know what

451
00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:38,639
Speaker 1: I'm saying, not him so um so that that's what

452
00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:42,359
Speaker 1: slowed down Chicano rap because they gave the wrong amount

453
00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:45,520
Speaker 1: of money to blow, you know, put money on radio.

454
00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:47,920
Speaker 1: And you gotta remember the the radio fan at that

455
00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:53,040
Speaker 1: time was black rap fan. So someone saying a little

456
00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:55,200
Speaker 1: bit of Spanish in it was something kind of new.

457
00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:59,639
Speaker 1: So the average listener, we were excited as fuck, you know,

458
00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:02,880
Speaker 1: when it was Mexicana. Oh ship, that's the greatest. That's god,

459
00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:04,800
Speaker 1: you know, that's that's the greatest ship we've ever heard

460
00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:08,600
Speaker 1: in our ears. But the average people, you know, but

461
00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:12,960
Speaker 1: even even even in them days, the Mexicans was listening

462
00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:17,040
Speaker 1: to more rap, black rap than Mexicans, more black rap

463
00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:20,240
Speaker 1: than anyone in the world. Yeah, more than blacks or white.

464
00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:23,320
Speaker 1: So wouldn't that Like my writer, when you go to

465
00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:25,879
Speaker 1: your crowds, how many Mexicans your credit every time you

466
00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:29,000
Speaker 1: go depends on what city? I mean, right, it depends

467
00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:31,520
Speaker 1: on the city. I mean if it's a predominantly I

468
00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:36,240
Speaker 1: mean records that I sell a chord to, the say homies,

469
00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:39,240
Speaker 1: they love my music. I've never had a problem with

470
00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:42,879
Speaker 1: Mexicans with as far as my music is concerned. It

471
00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:46,360
Speaker 1: depends on where you go. If I do a concert

472
00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:49,359
Speaker 1: and motherfucking San Antonio, it's gonna be a gang of

473
00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:53,840
Speaker 1: Mexicans as opposed to blacks. If I do a motherfucking

474
00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:59,040
Speaker 1: show and motherfucking you know, downtown l a Or it's

475
00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:01,280
Speaker 1: gonna be half and half, A few niggas gonna come,

476
00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:04,320
Speaker 1: a few, essay, homies gonna come as opposed to if

477
00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:07,280
Speaker 1: I go to motherfucking New Mexico and do a show,

478
00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:12,120
Speaker 1: you get me, it's gonna be predominantly as a homies. Yeah, yeah,

479
00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:15,720
Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying that We definitely always allways, we've

480
00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:18,520
Speaker 1: always supported it just didn't happen the way all the time,

481
00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:22,600
Speaker 1: you know, and we could get it too, Like people go, well,

482
00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:25,000
Speaker 1: some of that you gotta wrapper is whack. They'll say that.

483
00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:27,440
Speaker 1: Some people say that I said yeah, and some of

484
00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:30,040
Speaker 1: the black raps whack. They're just because if the hammer

485
00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:32,800
Speaker 1: sucked the two pots, ain't a black rapper. Because Mexicans

486
00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:35,320
Speaker 1: have from the what I skipped forward, a lot of

487
00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:37,639
Speaker 1: Mexicans they say, I'm not these news now, I mean,

488
00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:41,720
Speaker 1: I ain't kinda rap. When on the next level, next level,

489
00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:44,960
Speaker 1: well you're not black, you know, like like what do

490
00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:48,439
Speaker 1: you well, you know, I'm not your kinda rap. They

491
00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:50,800
Speaker 1: try to say that. It's like, well, when you sell

492
00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:53,560
Speaker 1: seven million records, they go they call it a box.

493
00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:54,639
Speaker 1: I don't know. If you guys seen you in the

494
00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:57,200
Speaker 1: potty card, you kind of wrap a box in the

495
00:26:57,359 --> 00:26:59,320
Speaker 1: new eras like we don't want to be put in

496
00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:02,840
Speaker 1: that box. And I'm like home if you at least

497
00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:05,400
Speaker 1: break the ceiling, get get your fans behind you, because

498
00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:08,320
Speaker 1: you go over here, meaning they're saying that one of

499
00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:11,159
Speaker 1: the black rap you're the last place. If you're so

500
00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:13,040
Speaker 1: much better, let's get in the first place, then go

501
00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:16,399
Speaker 1: over here, because you can't leave this people are people.

502
00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:20,880
Speaker 1: You can't If you leave without the support, it ain't

503
00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:23,280
Speaker 1: gonna happen. You know what I mean, you gotta gotta

504
00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:27,080
Speaker 1: come through. I mean, you know, going back. Man. Now

505
00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:29,480
Speaker 1: we have this moal with BMC. Did you still have

506
00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:31,800
Speaker 1: a little wrong when she was still apart? Yeah, and

507
00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:35,760
Speaker 1: I end up getting proper dose, frank v Um, I

508
00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:40,639
Speaker 1: end up doing a rust Yeah. Not Mexican Power. He

509
00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:44,119
Speaker 1: was signed the Scandless. He had a big deal, a

510
00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:46,760
Speaker 1: bigger deal again like those numbers I told you the

511
00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:49,720
Speaker 1: first the first kind of rappers. He got a major deal.

512
00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:56,480
Speaker 1: They were distributed to Disney and those numbers didn't come back. Yeah,

513
00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:01,600
Speaker 1: And so those numbers didn't come back like they want

514
00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:05,280
Speaker 1: to see. So I was able to sign them. And

515
00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:07,960
Speaker 1: we hit up all the car shows. We were touring

516
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:10,720
Speaker 1: me and that around probably and frankly proper adults. We

517
00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:14,240
Speaker 1: were touring every single car showing. We were selling like

518
00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:16,840
Speaker 1: it was it was going man, because we came in

519
00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:19,320
Speaker 1: we we didn't come in like this and drop off.

520
00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:22,920
Speaker 1: We came in boom. You know what I'm saying, Like

521
00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:26,320
Speaker 1: from the bottom from the swap meet to where we

522
00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:29,600
Speaker 1: went and it seemed like man like U with Domsican.

523
00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:33,920
Speaker 1: So you know, miss, you know what I'm saying. You

524
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:37,800
Speaker 1: get songs with a little rob not the criminal. And

525
00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:40,080
Speaker 1: you know these guys always and we don't look at

526
00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:41,719
Speaker 1: the same moment went up, the same people come out,

527
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:47,000
Speaker 1: and I noticed they did a lot of cash business.

528
00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:48,880
Speaker 1: And I always thought that was smart because with them

529
00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:52,000
Speaker 1: it was different. You know, us as rappers, you want

530
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:54,719
Speaker 1: to just popping go to the shows. Them dudes always

531
00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:57,240
Speaker 1: had they see these would have made all the swap meets.

532
00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:00,320
Speaker 1: And the day had forty five one of dollars. Me, honey,

533
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:01,760
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, I have a big money

534
00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:04,240
Speaker 1: they pocket. So you're doing this thing. You've got this

535
00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:06,880
Speaker 1: distribution feal that's sucked up and everything. You know, signed

536
00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:12,520
Speaker 1: this deal. I want over there. I didn't all three years.

537
00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:14,840
Speaker 1: I mean, we end up getting stood for natural high

538
00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:20,720
Speaker 1: two and that's what I but that was the greatest

539
00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:23,960
Speaker 1: worst day of my life. All my swap me workers,

540
00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:29,440
Speaker 1: they all wrapped a little bit and they and I

541
00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:31,720
Speaker 1: went to my partner. I sat in his office just

542
00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:35,440
Speaker 1: like this at BMG, and I was going to pay.

543
00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:37,560
Speaker 1: I was going to pick up my big check. We had.

544
00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:42,360
Speaker 1: We sold like um uh sixty thousand records, had a

545
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:45,560
Speaker 1: wrestling jam. I put out the w WF. We had

546
00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:47,840
Speaker 1: this rock band redo all their songs, and then I

547
00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:50,960
Speaker 1: put out proper Dose out of compilation, and I was

548
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:52,440
Speaker 1: going to pick up a check for like a hundred

549
00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:55,440
Speaker 1: forty thousand to pay everybody. When I get up, there

550
00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:59,000
Speaker 1: is that girl, y'all, then this is uh ninety nine,

551
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:01,800
Speaker 1: So you really did checking email with it on your phone?

552
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:05,280
Speaker 1: Come on saying it was then? And I'm very slow

553
00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:08,120
Speaker 1: with that. So he's like, girl, you where are you hearing?

554
00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:10,600
Speaker 1: I'm saying here picking my check on me. He's like,

555
00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:13,160
Speaker 1: you didn't look at your re email. We've been sued

556
00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:16,960
Speaker 1: bla blah blah blah, blood you always. I'm like the fuck.

557
00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:19,680
Speaker 1: So I sat in that office from two in the

558
00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:23,000
Speaker 1: afternoon two in the morning. Mother gave me money to

559
00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:27,760
Speaker 1: pay my artists. You know, he wasn't leaving and I

560
00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:31,320
Speaker 1: wasn't leaving, so we got the money when he paid

561
00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:33,640
Speaker 1: all these guys. And this is where my little rob

562
00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:38,080
Speaker 1: the problem began. When I people go royal root, little room,

563
00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:40,600
Speaker 1: try to try to do anything before you kind a lawyer,

564
00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:44,400
Speaker 1: he I gave him. My mom taught me one thing.

565
00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:47,000
Speaker 1: She always said, when you ever do a check and

566
00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:49,600
Speaker 1: give someone a check, or you're gonna give him cash

567
00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:51,680
Speaker 1: and make them sign a check, you know, sign it.

568
00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:56,280
Speaker 1: So I gave him a checkers all I want cash, like,

569
00:30:56,880 --> 00:30:59,600
Speaker 1: gat him cash, had him signed the check and he

570
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:02,320
Speaker 1: when it's that I never paid him. I paid him

571
00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:05,400
Speaker 1: eighteen thousand in his living room pan and they're paid him.

572
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:10,840
Speaker 1: So I went, I went, and uh, I got the check,

573
00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:13,480
Speaker 1: you know when they took me the kind of the

574
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:19,480
Speaker 1: lawyer and stuff, interest signature, yeah, you know, and a

575
00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:21,360
Speaker 1: couple of other checks and a couple other things. So

576
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:26,680
Speaker 1: that's how we kept. That's how that ended. But that's

577
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:30,080
Speaker 1: a whole that's a whole another forward thing. But from

578
00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:35,480
Speaker 1: that deal BMG deal and to beginning Universal deal and

579
00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:38,280
Speaker 1: that and that got a lot better. And then my

580
00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:44,960
Speaker 1: greatest deal was E and mine so Universe they moving everything. Yeah,

581
00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:48,800
Speaker 1: I mean at that time, um, I was the first

582
00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:55,840
Speaker 1: independent Chicano rap I had build it. Well, I like

583
00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:58,000
Speaker 1: the same master pea copy. Mean, to be honest with you,

584
00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:01,040
Speaker 1: he was running on the bed, I was through the

585
00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:03,120
Speaker 1: bay everywhere. I mean, I know it's a it's a

586
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:05,240
Speaker 1: hard thing, but I don't followed no one. I just

587
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:08,160
Speaker 1: was like when you looked at my paper there right

588
00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:11,080
Speaker 1: all my CD is the reason if you were listening

589
00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:13,560
Speaker 1: to the end of any of my CDs. My last

590
00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:15,360
Speaker 1: other thing in the back of it, you'll see it.

591
00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:18,680
Speaker 1: I always had a commercial, just like a podcast. I

592
00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:21,920
Speaker 1: did LPG radio show over fifteen years because I knew

593
00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:25,320
Speaker 1: this my promotion with my mouth, and I knew that

594
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:27,320
Speaker 1: if you're gonna listen to my record, you might not

595
00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:29,600
Speaker 1: see my poster because it was hard to getting posters

596
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:32,600
Speaker 1: in every record store. So I think they say I

597
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:36,600
Speaker 1: had twelve tracks, the thirteenth track would be a commercial,

598
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:39,360
Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh man, get ready for the new

599
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:42,200
Speaker 1: little rap, the new I'll put all these records, some

600
00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:44,400
Speaker 1: of them I everyone came out, but I just had.

601
00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:46,320
Speaker 1: If I had twenty homies in there and we had

602
00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:48,560
Speaker 1: twenty records, we're gonna do that, we said we're gonna

603
00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:51,320
Speaker 1: do before we getting fights or whatever. I would promote

604
00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:53,840
Speaker 1: all those records. Part three is gonna come out of

605
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:56,520
Speaker 1: this part my instrumental album would do all this ship

606
00:32:57,720 --> 00:32:59,840
Speaker 1: and then in each of my album covers, this is

607
00:32:59,880 --> 00:33:01,960
Speaker 1: a small but this is oh one. But we would

608
00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:06,040
Speaker 1: have like all the catalog you could order from the back.

609
00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:09,520
Speaker 1: I had a mail order ship, and then we had posters.

610
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:12,840
Speaker 1: We had t shirt companies. I mean this is every

611
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:16,160
Speaker 1: single album had this ship. I don't even Yeah, we

612
00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:29,680
Speaker 1: d T shirts and ship fan club yeahs office. Yeah,

613
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:33,360
Speaker 1: I mean that's what we were. Plus we were the

614
00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:36,160
Speaker 1: first one in six I couldn't even like I try

615
00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:38,600
Speaker 1: to hire people to come. I opened the first chat

616
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:41,640
Speaker 1: room on my website and I let it where no

617
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:44,280
Speaker 1: one could uh, you couldn't block. You don't have to block,

618
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:46,400
Speaker 1: no one for saying fuck. You know back then he's

619
00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:50,560
Speaker 1: to do type fuck or punk or whatever mind things.

620
00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:52,680
Speaker 1: So we used to have a three and fi thousand

621
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:54,960
Speaker 1: people a week using that didn't even know who we were.

622
00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:56,360
Speaker 1: They just were happy to be able to use a

623
00:33:56,840 --> 00:34:01,280
Speaker 1: open chat room because some people what Stu shout out,

624
00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:04,600
Speaker 1: no profile, Oh what's that? You're all our ship, my bucker.

625
00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:06,400
Speaker 1: But they were using the chat room because there was

626
00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:08,719
Speaker 1: no cell phones. And cell phones were here, but there

627
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:11,520
Speaker 1: was no text. So people from Spain or be hitting

628
00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:14,799
Speaker 1: people from America using that to talk to each other

629
00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:19,719
Speaker 1: and the chat yeah. Correct, Yeah, so we were known.

630
00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:26,000
Speaker 1: You've got this whole embiety to be right, m hm.

631
00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:31,040
Speaker 1: How many artists at the time fifteen at the time

632
00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:35,719
Speaker 1: I was disabuting that I was labeled and and Mr

633
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:40,680
Speaker 1: Little was labeled Sickle Records, and I had three other labels.

634
00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:44,720
Speaker 1: I disbuted the stuffs and those are some pretty big artists.

635
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:49,120
Speaker 1: They like, um like Chicago World. It was like, oh yes,

636
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:51,640
Speaker 1: and in fact, they don't want to start this podcast

637
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:55,799
Speaker 1: this weekend night house opening the label in Mexico City

638
00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:58,520
Speaker 1: right now in the shadows. So then you know we

639
00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:02,279
Speaker 1: we talked every every weekend. Alright, Phyllis, let's pay some

640
00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:09,520
Speaker 1: bills real quick. We'll be right back still. James eight, y'all,

641
00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:11,600
Speaker 1: neggas better give me my fire, Donard, I put that

642
00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:13,640
Speaker 1: on the set. I need to go. Give me some

643
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:18,440
Speaker 1: wanna mirror my motherfucking feet fucking with me, gangster chronicles

644
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:22,040
Speaker 1: of my ass. Pay granny her money. It's gangster granny.

645
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:27,279
Speaker 1: Y'all know me? Where are you at? One thing? I

646
00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:30,120
Speaker 1: wanted to ask you about this man? You remember from

647
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:34,319
Speaker 1: one of six she started, Uh, she started sucking up

648
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:43,520
Speaker 1: the business, you know she did? She started why well,

649
00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:46,520
Speaker 1: you know it was a good thing. She married. She

650
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:51,319
Speaker 1: married the producer and I snared Santa Maria Area. Uh

651
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:53,200
Speaker 1: what man. I can't think of his name, but he

652
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:55,560
Speaker 1: produced a lot of early records from the eight oh

653
00:35:55,640 --> 00:36:00,880
Speaker 1: five record label, and how she fucked it. She actually

654
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:06,520
Speaker 1: fucked over a brother Familiar Records, Marie. Marie me and

655
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:10,040
Speaker 1: him at our differences were we worked together and and

656
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:16,279
Speaker 1: he was he was a savage, very quiet, yeah, humble savage. Okay, yes,

657
00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:20,200
Speaker 1: hundred bucks for your master, you know, and and and

658
00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:22,880
Speaker 1: people will take that money. I'm like, hell now on me.

659
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:27,279
Speaker 1: But anyways, he came with a brilliant of the of

660
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:30,839
Speaker 1: put her locals the radio show, and he called power

661
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:33,279
Speaker 1: Wound six and he said how much for an hour

662
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:36,480
Speaker 1: on Sunday night? It was like five bucks, like I said,

663
00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:39,400
Speaker 1: And he went and kool Aid was the one he

664
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:43,359
Speaker 1: talked to, Quis I could be your host. Blah blah

665
00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:47,120
Speaker 1: blah he said. Okay, So he paid her, paid the thing,

666
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:51,840
Speaker 1: got his show going. Next thing you know, she takes it.

667
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:56,120
Speaker 1: You no longer has no connecting the show. Next thing

668
00:36:56,160 --> 00:37:01,400
Speaker 1: you know, Violet Brown starts calling us that universal um

669
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:03,759
Speaker 1: and I got Mark telling you back there is to

670
00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:05,560
Speaker 1: pay for the in caps. You know, all the stuff

671
00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:07,640
Speaker 1: that you played behind the when you walk in the store,

672
00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:10,040
Speaker 1: behind the store in the front, when you walk in

673
00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:12,600
Speaker 1: and have your posters on the wall, Warehouse records all

674
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:15,160
Speaker 1: that ship we used to pay for him. So we

675
00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:18,920
Speaker 1: were in. There was no Jervis between black rap, white

676
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:22,960
Speaker 1: rap or Chicago rap. We were in. What if m

677
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:25,719
Speaker 1: c A and you were in the MS, it would

678
00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:28,360
Speaker 1: be what it would be in the M section, you

679
00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:33,400
Speaker 1: know whatever it was, Mexican Power, m c A. It

680
00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:35,920
Speaker 1: was in a section. All of a sudden cool they

681
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:39,440
Speaker 1: started having her boyfriend produced and he started making her label.

682
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:44,080
Speaker 1: Then before that, she goes, we'll make up with this

683
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:48,040
Speaker 1: better locals section, and the Warehouse records her and Violet Brown,

684
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:50,680
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we'll put the Mexicans in their own section.

685
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:55,879
Speaker 1: What separated us from you guys from everybody? And she said, oh,

686
00:37:56,400 --> 00:38:00,239
Speaker 1: it's three thousand dollars. Well, bitch, why did I pay

687
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:03,239
Speaker 1: you fucking for the last five years to be in

688
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:06,200
Speaker 1: all these regular positions to actually put you kind of

689
00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:10,399
Speaker 1: wrap in in the record store like normal. Now you're

690
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:12,800
Speaker 1: just alienating me, putting me in a fucking corner, and

691
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:15,759
Speaker 1: you want me to pay for your section. Then she promised, well,

692
00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:18,880
Speaker 1: guess what, we'll play your song. If you pay whatever

693
00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:21,560
Speaker 1: new artists you pay three thousand, you also get your

694
00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:27,080
Speaker 1: song played. A power on the six just put the locals. Okay,

695
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:33,480
Speaker 1: well that deal, it was them in. This deal was there,

696
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:35,520
Speaker 1: But now you talk about some ship that's been happening

697
00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:38,919
Speaker 1: since the beginning. So well, but let me tell you worse.

698
00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:42,960
Speaker 1: Then she creates her label two month later, so guess what,

699
00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:46,400
Speaker 1: there's only one hour. Guess who's not getting paid? Played

700
00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:50,239
Speaker 1: us and we're still and Violet Brown said, you start

701
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:52,800
Speaker 1: to be in that section. No, I don't want to

702
00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:56,080
Speaker 1: be in that section. So she cornered the whole fucking

703
00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:59,640
Speaker 1: market and had her own label playing all the time.

704
00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:03,160
Speaker 1: Hated us because we were the biggest and what she

705
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:06,480
Speaker 1: used to call me a little rob before because we

706
00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:09,200
Speaker 1: hated Murray and said that Murray, because Murray made a

707
00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:12,040
Speaker 1: fake little rob. Yeah, Murray made a fake little rock record,

708
00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:15,000
Speaker 1: and that's what we did. He made a fake record

709
00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:17,760
Speaker 1: where he called it still Smoking. He made a cartoon

710
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:19,600
Speaker 1: a little rock and none of the guys on the

711
00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:23,120
Speaker 1: record were little rock. But inside the record he made

712
00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:26,800
Speaker 1: Spanish flying new album coming out his artist, Well, I

713
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:28,879
Speaker 1: say rich rock. If you heard the say rich rock.

714
00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:31,360
Speaker 1: He did the eight team with the bullet. He was

715
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:34,160
Speaker 1: a legend that she kind of rapped. Okay, but but

716
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:38,200
Speaker 1: he that was the rumor was that he died. So

717
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:40,879
Speaker 1: the Spanish flight wasn't the Spanish Flight of said rich Rock.

718
00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:44,279
Speaker 1: It was still his homies the part of it. So

719
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:47,640
Speaker 1: I had a little homie that was like a fan.

720
00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:50,279
Speaker 1: He used to look like, I said, Rich Rock. We'd

721
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:52,640
Speaker 1: go to parties and be like girls. That's that say

722
00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:56,360
Speaker 1: rich Rock, you know. And so I came with a

723
00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:58,480
Speaker 1: brilliant I G. I saw when Murray did this ship

724
00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:01,120
Speaker 1: out that deal, but I saw Mary did this ship.

725
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:05,560
Speaker 1: I said, you know what, I said next to him,

726
00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:08,600
Speaker 1: my swap meet. In the swap meet, it was a

727
00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:13,880
Speaker 1: coffin shop. They sold coffins. So I took Chris and

728
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:17,000
Speaker 1: I said, you're gonna be O G Spanish Fly, not

729
00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:19,920
Speaker 1: Spanish Flight. Changed the name Oh Geez back Back from

730
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:22,520
Speaker 1: the Dead because they said Rich Rock the rumors he died.

731
00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:25,040
Speaker 1: So I put him in a coffin through the west

732
00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:29,080
Speaker 1: side of took a picture of my polaroid, and we

733
00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:32,000
Speaker 1: made and I had ten songs from my new album.

734
00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:35,200
Speaker 1: I said, look on man, we were ten songs boom,

735
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:37,080
Speaker 1: and I put my swap Me dudes on that record

736
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:39,880
Speaker 1: and we made O G Spanish Flight Back from the

737
00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:42,640
Speaker 1: Dead to go against Murray for trying to rip us off,

738
00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:46,640
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So when Violet Brown would

739
00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:51,279
Speaker 1: call us, oh, Murray sponsoring our shows, he was it

740
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:53,960
Speaker 1: was a show fun that We're never sucking with him,

741
00:40:54,640 --> 00:40:56,400
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So we were working with

742
00:40:56,520 --> 00:41:00,600
Speaker 1: her and she was Ray. So she hated us, hey us,

743
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:03,279
Speaker 1: So she started her own label. She never played ever

744
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:06,239
Speaker 1: for me. A little I broke up. She played little Rob, Hey,

745
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:08,719
Speaker 1: baby boy, little Rob. She'd built a little fake voice

746
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:13,040
Speaker 1: up there. And that's how that. It's all all that

747
00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:16,120
Speaker 1: she cornered the market, fuck the market and strained it

748
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:19,520
Speaker 1: to It just became a little hold that thought. Brother,

749
00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:26,680
Speaker 1: we'll be right back still James eight. Y'all niggas better

750
00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:28,799
Speaker 1: give me my fire, Donard. I put that on a shet.

751
00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:31,520
Speaker 1: I need to go get me some wanna mirror my

752
00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:35,640
Speaker 1: motherfucking feet fucking with me. Gangster chronicles of my ass

753
00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:39,640
Speaker 1: pay granted her money. It's gangster granny. Y'all know me?

754
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:46,719
Speaker 1: Where you at? I put up a posting, asked roads,

755
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:48,879
Speaker 1: he's a question. You're not crazy, gest fan base man,

756
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:52,680
Speaker 1: so you me. Everybody asked me about the little right thing.

757
00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:55,480
Speaker 1: They don't sound like beef, though, I mean rather than

758
00:41:58,040 --> 00:41:59,319
Speaker 1: you know, you know the last time you and Rob

759
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:02,960
Speaker 1: worked together. M hm, this is how stupid this like

760
00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:06,359
Speaker 1: people some because I guess some people just get out

761
00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:07,799
Speaker 1: of jail, they're go on the internet for the first

762
00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:11,040
Speaker 1: time in their life. Meant, Rob haven't worked together just

763
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:17,560
Speaker 1: twenty just two thousands, and you're still talking about it,

764
00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:23,359
Speaker 1: like could that be the highlight of something? Situation? Motherfucker's

765
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:28,360
Speaker 1: But that tell people if what are they gonna do

766
00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:31,000
Speaker 1: about it? You know what I mean? Like, how how

767
00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:35,520
Speaker 1: is if they say I ripped them off? Oh how

768
00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:38,120
Speaker 1: what are they doing for it? If if Rob made

769
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:40,640
Speaker 1: a billion dollars tomorrows, you're gonna give them anything? And

770
00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:44,359
Speaker 1: then I asked you the biggest question I gotta ask people,

771
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:47,600
Speaker 1: go oh Roth did this roll to death? Well? You

772
00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:51,840
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, how many people of

773
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:54,839
Speaker 1: little Rob helping his career? How many orders he put out?

774
00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:59,120
Speaker 1: The so great zero so you looked at as the

775
00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:01,960
Speaker 1: as the shape the record label? Dude? Is that what

776
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:05,120
Speaker 1: people saying is the beef? Because you were the record

777
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:08,520
Speaker 1: label owner and the artist my balls and put my

778
00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:11,040
Speaker 1: own money up and you know I had to recoup

779
00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:14,440
Speaker 1: money when people were driving new cars and low riders

780
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:17,759
Speaker 1: and and all kinds of ships, loving their life, and

781
00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:19,759
Speaker 1: then they spend a little much too much money with

782
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:22,000
Speaker 1: the girl, and then you know they're going. I mean,

783
00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:26,200
Speaker 1: you get that typically from uh, from artists who deal

784
00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:30,440
Speaker 1: with independent record label owners, feeling that it's a different side.

785
00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:35,200
Speaker 1: Myself included. I dealt with niggas like Alonzo and Unknown

786
00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:39,960
Speaker 1: who owned labels. You know what I'm saying, so um,

787
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:44,000
Speaker 1: And to look at it from an artist's point of view,

788
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:47,920
Speaker 1: people would think, yeah, they robbed you. I mean, you

789
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:50,520
Speaker 1: didn't get shipped, you didn't get no money, you didn't

790
00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:53,760
Speaker 1: get no motherfucking this, or that they were riding around

791
00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:56,680
Speaker 1: in ben Zoe's and had the big houses and ship

792
00:43:57,000 --> 00:43:59,080
Speaker 1: while you were still living at home trying to take

793
00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:02,200
Speaker 1: care of your kids. Probably buy Pampers, you know. So

794
00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:05,800
Speaker 1: you get that from some people. What about the checks?

795
00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:09,040
Speaker 1: What about when the checks? Like I just we were talking,

796
00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:12,319
Speaker 1: I didn't see no checks as an as an artist

797
00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:15,560
Speaker 1: when I first came off. I'm saying, but that's what

798
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:18,279
Speaker 1: tend to happen from label owners, who right, who pays

799
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:20,280
Speaker 1: That's what I was saying, Who paid for your posters?

800
00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:24,799
Speaker 1: Who paid. I did, because they recooped everything you paid

801
00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:27,160
Speaker 1: for you no thing when you charged me back for

802
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:32,840
Speaker 1: about the first week. Of course he did right, you

803
00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:34,640
Speaker 1: know what I mean. Now, they didn't do their money right,

804
00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:37,040
Speaker 1: and you didn't get a lawyer and check out the

805
00:44:37,080 --> 00:44:39,520
Speaker 1: ship that goes back on you. It's a business, and

806
00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:42,640
Speaker 1: my thing is as an artist, I'm writing all my ship,

807
00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:46,480
Speaker 1: I'm producing all my songs, and then I'm still only

808
00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:50,960
Speaker 1: getting seventy cents a record while somebody in the label

809
00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:54,279
Speaker 1: position is taking ninety per cent and I'm doing all

810
00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:57,400
Speaker 1: the fucking work. They made a lot of money off you, exactly.

811
00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:01,680
Speaker 1: But that's what U cats go through. We can get

812
00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:04,319
Speaker 1: that money back. That's independent. I already got it back,

813
00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:07,920
Speaker 1: so that's the whole point. But some artists would fit

814
00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:10,520
Speaker 1: that's what they feel when you say it's a twenty

815
00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:15,160
Speaker 1: year long thing. People saying, well Little Rob or whatever

816
00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:17,719
Speaker 1: you and you're going, man, it's twenty years ago. I

817
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:21,000
Speaker 1: mean we did our injustice. I mean, what has Little

818
00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:24,320
Speaker 1: Rob done for artists? Has he put anybody on or whatever?

819
00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:28,040
Speaker 1: So I get what you're saying, like, let's sleeping dogs live,

820
00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:32,000
Speaker 1: let's go like this. You're you're going to independent artists

821
00:45:32,080 --> 00:45:36,239
Speaker 1: from being a big artist. We're starting from sucking dirt

822
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:40,759
Speaker 1: right there. There was no nobody was rich. I just

823
00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:43,480
Speaker 1: told you our first deal was two dollars and fifty cents.

824
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:46,279
Speaker 1: My first deal, I didn't get a dollar. Two dollars

825
00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:49,560
Speaker 1: fifty cents the label deal. Yeah, then I'm paying eighty

826
00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:53,480
Speaker 1: cents on a cassette. Then I'm playing posters and everything,

827
00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:55,839
Speaker 1: and then I'm having that Monday at Dollar with him,

828
00:45:56,440 --> 00:45:58,520
Speaker 1: and then we can suit for tun ve dollars. How

829
00:45:58,600 --> 00:46:02,000
Speaker 1: much dollars then I had to pay forty six thous

830
00:46:02,080 --> 00:46:05,160
Speaker 1: in the b MG lawyers for that case. How much

831
00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:09,360
Speaker 1: do I own if he ain't put up none of

832
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:13,799
Speaker 1: that money or help? But I owe you, Sip. You're

833
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:16,160
Speaker 1: what I'm telling you like, there's a driven you. You're coming.

834
00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:19,960
Speaker 1: You're coming from major label to two guys that took advantage,

835
00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:21,920
Speaker 1: and you understand type of your game. I don't know

836
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:24,200
Speaker 1: your whole d said gender getting your money or we're

837
00:46:24,239 --> 00:46:28,919
Speaker 1: starting from zero. I'm paying towards. I'm paying for your beach, uh,

838
00:46:29,239 --> 00:46:33,520
Speaker 1: your studio time, you're mixing, your mastering, all your photographs,

839
00:46:33,719 --> 00:46:37,680
Speaker 1: every fucking thing. I'm giving your advance who's writing the songs.

840
00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:41,160
Speaker 1: I'm making most every concept of me, every hook is me.

841
00:46:41,560 --> 00:46:44,879
Speaker 1: Who and he played right their lyrics? Okay, but still

842
00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:47,919
Speaker 1: they got something. I want you to wrap on this beat.

843
00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:50,120
Speaker 1: Here's the hook on it. But I'm gonna still feel

844
00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:54,759
Speaker 1: like as an artist, I'm still writing. Was a little

845
00:46:54,800 --> 00:47:05,719
Speaker 1: bit was a little bit different. Yeah. I started all

846
00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:09,560
Speaker 1: as a little kid from Compton, seventeen years old. Uh,

847
00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:12,919
Speaker 1: hooked up with a dude who had his own independent label,

848
00:47:13,080 --> 00:47:17,560
Speaker 1: Techno Hop. Okay, I wrote every song. Okay, he came in.

849
00:47:18,520 --> 00:47:23,960
Speaker 1: I'm nigga, was doing the beats. Uh. Yeah, very first,

850
00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:28,719
Speaker 1: very first time I ever recorded there, no, no no.

851
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:32,520
Speaker 1: This is my from the start, from when I decided

852
00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:37,200
Speaker 1: I wanted to become a rapper. A nigga knew m

853
00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:40,640
Speaker 1: C eight claiming the hood over here seventeen years old.

854
00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:44,200
Speaker 1: I knew how to rap. So I go to his studio.

855
00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:48,160
Speaker 1: I write three songs. This is Compton. I give up nothing,

856
00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:52,120
Speaker 1: giving up. He takes those songs. He I wrote them all,

857
00:47:52,600 --> 00:47:56,920
Speaker 1: he provided the beat, he provided the label, whatever. But

858
00:47:57,000 --> 00:47:59,560
Speaker 1: I still wrote my ship. I'm thinking I'm posted to

859
00:47:59,600 --> 00:48:03,240
Speaker 1: get fifty percent my publishing or whatever. I got nothing.

860
00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:07,800
Speaker 1: They put the record out, it's sold, it did whatever.

861
00:48:08,239 --> 00:48:13,520
Speaker 1: I got nothing, no publishing, no five dollar check, no nothing.

862
00:48:14,120 --> 00:48:16,239
Speaker 1: So then you did deal with this guy and he

863
00:48:16,280 --> 00:48:19,200
Speaker 1: gave me no advance? No, did you paint any of

864
00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:21,480
Speaker 1: the studio type? What do you mean? It was his

865
00:48:21,560 --> 00:48:24,000
Speaker 1: studio on his living room, but it was his studio? Yeah,

866
00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:26,080
Speaker 1: what was that free? What do you mean so he

867
00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:28,080
Speaker 1: gets the fun? No? No, he said we're not going

868
00:48:28,160 --> 00:48:31,520
Speaker 1: to that party. I'm just saying it was still he

869
00:48:31,640 --> 00:48:33,479
Speaker 1: put up something something for you, okay, And I'm putting

870
00:48:33,560 --> 00:48:36,760
Speaker 1: up my lyrics and I'm writing the songs without my songs.

871
00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:39,839
Speaker 1: He got no songs. I'm questioning you on on this one.

872
00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:43,520
Speaker 1: I don't know, Okay, it has nothing to do with

873
00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:45,840
Speaker 1: the deal. That has to do. What do you feel like,

874
00:48:46,040 --> 00:48:49,279
Speaker 1: because you're supplying the beat and you're supplying this that

875
00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:52,600
Speaker 1: you get to take everything up front? So what are

876
00:48:52,640 --> 00:48:55,759
Speaker 1: you giving the artist? Did you ever come? Yeah? Yeah,

877
00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:57,880
Speaker 1: I had a contract, but it was a fucked contract.

878
00:48:58,719 --> 00:49:01,720
Speaker 1: It was a fun contract. That's what the under age.

879
00:49:04,560 --> 00:49:07,719
Speaker 1: But here here's the thing. Do you feel you would

880
00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:11,759
Speaker 1: ever got your other big deals was out that eventually? Yeah?

881
00:49:11,840 --> 00:49:13,880
Speaker 1: Because I'd have put out on you ever see that

882
00:49:14,719 --> 00:49:16,719
Speaker 1: life is written. You can't change that. What do you

883
00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:19,160
Speaker 1: mean you think you would have got the other deals?

884
00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:21,640
Speaker 1: Do you think he would have got? Do you think

885
00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:25,920
Speaker 1: you would have got to where you was without those artists? Okay,

886
00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:36,160
Speaker 1: so didn't mean yeah, goddamn right. I was already there though,

887
00:49:37,239 --> 00:49:39,560
Speaker 1: and I was on my way. I was already there though.

888
00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:41,719
Speaker 1: You know, I sang artist, But I got to do,

889
00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:48,640
Speaker 1: like I'm really what I would have been there? You

890
00:49:48,760 --> 00:49:51,000
Speaker 1: got damn might when you're looking at it, and all

891
00:49:51,080 --> 00:49:53,920
Speaker 1: these motherfucking labels was looking for him, and nigg off

892
00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:57,160
Speaker 1: the corner who was spitting that ship. You got damn might,

893
00:49:57,239 --> 00:49:58,800
Speaker 1: Or I would have been smart enough to do what

894
00:49:58,920 --> 00:50:02,279
Speaker 1: everybody else was doing. One go Fox, signing that independent

895
00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:04,960
Speaker 1: middle deal, and go put out my own music like

896
00:50:05,160 --> 00:50:08,600
Speaker 1: you did, like a master p, like a Lionzo, like

897
00:50:08,760 --> 00:50:11,759
Speaker 1: an unknown, like everybody was doing. But it was just

898
00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:14,520
Speaker 1: some of us who were young kids who were naive.

899
00:50:15,160 --> 00:50:18,719
Speaker 1: All I wanted to do was make fucking music. So

900
00:50:18,840 --> 00:50:24,440
Speaker 1: did he make you? Goddamn late? He put them records out,

901
00:50:24,520 --> 00:50:28,279
Speaker 1: he got a major deal from that. Who knows he

902
00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:32,680
Speaker 1: living chilling, chilling and living, and man Lionzo still living

903
00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:38,239
Speaker 1: and chilling from the world class record grow in w A.

904
00:50:38,520 --> 00:50:41,200
Speaker 1: I got funny stories on that for MR. That's how

905
00:50:41,560 --> 00:50:46,160
Speaker 1: him and Alonzo was buddies. They all had labels Egypts

906
00:50:46,239 --> 00:50:49,839
Speaker 1: and Lover had Egypt Empire, l A Dream Team had

907
00:50:50,040 --> 00:50:53,920
Speaker 1: l A Dream Team Records, Unknown DJ had Techno how

908
00:50:54,320 --> 00:50:59,200
Speaker 1: and Lionzo had Crew Cut. And they went through. They

909
00:50:59,360 --> 00:51:03,080
Speaker 1: found the island of young niggas me. I was nigging

910
00:51:03,120 --> 00:51:07,319
Speaker 1: the hood banging. I started loving Wrap like you Run

911
00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:10,399
Speaker 1: DMC and Cool Mo D and all that. So I'm

912
00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:14,320
Speaker 1: home grief for Wrap. So I'm just dreams of I

913
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:18,480
Speaker 1: don't know shit about publishing and fucking none of that.

914
00:51:18,760 --> 00:51:23,760
Speaker 1: All I know is, motherfucker, I want to Wrap. Did

915
00:51:24,239 --> 00:51:28,879
Speaker 1: he survived after getting three songs you see making money?

916
00:51:29,239 --> 00:51:32,800
Speaker 1: And because I don't know ship, I'm still seventeen, I'm naive.

917
00:51:33,160 --> 00:51:35,600
Speaker 1: When he put my record out, he wanted to kill

918
00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:40,880
Speaker 1: see you you you felt like I felt four or

919
00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:44,279
Speaker 1: five years later. Okay, but at the time, I'm a

920
00:51:45,840 --> 00:51:49,399
Speaker 1: old kid. Nikka tell me I'm gonna make a record. Look,

921
00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:52,160
Speaker 1: I get in the studio, I write the songs, they

922
00:51:52,280 --> 00:51:54,960
Speaker 1: put them out. I got a twelve innure to swap

923
00:51:55,080 --> 00:51:56,880
Speaker 1: me too. They got going to to swap me seeing

924
00:51:56,920 --> 00:52:00,160
Speaker 1: my cassett up. I'm all good. I'm like nigga on

925
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:03,960
Speaker 1: my way. I'm not knowing that a nigga making money.

926
00:52:05,040 --> 00:52:07,880
Speaker 1: I have no idea how to ship work. I have

927
00:52:08,120 --> 00:52:11,720
Speaker 1: no idea. All I know is I gotta fucking record out, okay,

928
00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:15,160
Speaker 1: And I'm not in the hood banging, getting shot at

929
00:52:15,239 --> 00:52:18,759
Speaker 1: and whatever whatever. I got a record, none, then I

930
00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:22,280
Speaker 1: can't get a dime okay, So that happened. I ain't tripping.

931
00:52:22,360 --> 00:52:26,840
Speaker 1: I'm like, you know whatever. So then then nigga go

932
00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:30,080
Speaker 1: out from that. He go out and get a deal

933
00:52:30,600 --> 00:52:34,680
Speaker 1: for Compton's Most Wanted because we signed a little contract.

934
00:52:35,520 --> 00:52:38,000
Speaker 1: That's my first record. This Is Compton was a twelve

935
00:52:38,080 --> 00:52:40,920
Speaker 1: inch single. Put it out from there. He walked in

936
00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:47,560
Speaker 1: the Capital and gets a deal. Because he's telling them, man,

937
00:52:47,719 --> 00:52:50,440
Speaker 1: come on, this nigger got a deal from Capital. I

938
00:52:50,560 --> 00:52:53,920
Speaker 1: got CMW. They're like, oh, c MW is that like

939
00:52:54,080 --> 00:52:57,080
Speaker 1: in w A Like yeah, you know listening today they

940
00:52:57,200 --> 00:52:59,560
Speaker 1: listen to This Is Compton, the first twelve inch with

941
00:52:59,640 --> 00:53:03,000
Speaker 1: the three songs. Their motherfucker's just like, let's do a

942
00:53:03,120 --> 00:53:06,640
Speaker 1: deal next. You know, I'm going to New York I'm

943
00:53:06,680 --> 00:53:11,160
Speaker 1: signing a contract whatever, whatever. Nigga hand me about what

944
00:53:11,680 --> 00:53:14,840
Speaker 1: a couple of grands when he probably walked with about

945
00:53:14,840 --> 00:53:19,560
Speaker 1: a hundred and fifty thousand. Nick, I'm a young nigga,

946
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:23,000
Speaker 1: poverty stricken and Compton and the nigga hand me a

947
00:53:23,120 --> 00:53:28,680
Speaker 1: check for two grand Nigga, I'm on this mock man.

948
00:53:29,280 --> 00:53:40,239
Speaker 1: I'm on, I'm not knowing. I'm a naive kid. Reason man, nigga,

949
00:53:40,280 --> 00:53:43,239
Speaker 1: I'm James. I'm a naive kid. I don't know. I

950
00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:45,400
Speaker 1: don't give a fuck. Nigga. I'm in Compton, had to

951
00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:48,440
Speaker 1: swap me with some fresh cortears, some T shirts and

952
00:53:48,560 --> 00:53:51,960
Speaker 1: some khakis and a fucking Suzuki Samurai nigga. And I'm on,

953
00:53:52,360 --> 00:53:55,160
Speaker 1: I don't what. You can't tell me that the nigga

954
00:53:55,239 --> 00:53:58,719
Speaker 1: just man, you can't tell me. I think. I think

955
00:53:58,800 --> 00:54:01,400
Speaker 1: it just walked out of court, motherfucking America with a

956
00:54:01,440 --> 00:54:04,399
Speaker 1: two hundred and fifty thousand dollar check. I don't know. Ship.

957
00:54:05,480 --> 00:54:08,120
Speaker 1: So when you signed the cop the second cop Jack,

958
00:54:08,160 --> 00:54:14,080
Speaker 1: who was that weird? Same nigga him, same nigga. Because

959
00:54:14,160 --> 00:54:17,640
Speaker 1: I started getting smart, I started going, wait a minute,

960
00:54:18,600 --> 00:54:22,920
Speaker 1: I'm writing every fucking song. I ain't getting no money.

961
00:54:23,920 --> 00:54:27,880
Speaker 1: Every song is staying Aaron Tyler on their motherfucker, not

962
00:54:28,160 --> 00:54:32,040
Speaker 1: his name, not to produce my name. I wrote every

963
00:54:32,160 --> 00:54:35,920
Speaker 1: fucking rap song. Okay, I fixed it, but still I'm

964
00:54:35,960 --> 00:54:41,200
Speaker 1: not like something wrong, Man, I'm broken the motherfucker. Think

965
00:54:41,239 --> 00:54:43,160
Speaker 1: I'm going on the second month, I'm going on the

966
00:54:43,320 --> 00:54:48,080
Speaker 1: third album through Sony, through Epic Records, and think I'm

967
00:54:48,120 --> 00:54:51,200
Speaker 1: still living out the house with my mama and I'm

968
00:54:51,239 --> 00:54:56,000
Speaker 1: on my third album and I'm like something right. So

969
00:54:56,160 --> 00:54:59,960
Speaker 1: I started complaining and Nigga, you don't know nothing on Nigga.

970
00:55:00,280 --> 00:55:02,440
Speaker 1: This is nigga taking to me. Oh you know, Nigga,

971
00:55:02,480 --> 00:55:04,719
Speaker 1: you don't know nothing. You know, it's nigga walking out

972
00:55:04,760 --> 00:55:07,880
Speaker 1: of the every year he walking out of the corporate

973
00:55:07,960 --> 00:55:14,440
Speaker 1: office with two hundred and handed me five six thousand dollars. Well,

974
00:55:14,480 --> 00:55:17,920
Speaker 1: I wish we knew each other back then. So eventually

975
00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:24,239
Speaker 1: they got smart. They got smart, like like the same

976
00:55:24,320 --> 00:55:29,239
Speaker 1: deal when I left that my deal. I took that

977
00:55:29,360 --> 00:55:33,480
Speaker 1: deal because getting old, I wanted to get You want

978
00:55:33,520 --> 00:55:35,919
Speaker 1: to get in whatever you're gonna take what you're gonna

979
00:55:36,280 --> 00:55:39,480
Speaker 1: This is what I say. I live. I'll tell a

980
00:55:39,600 --> 00:55:43,880
Speaker 1: tale of if you come from my rand, we all

981
00:55:43,960 --> 00:55:48,239
Speaker 1: got fucked in the beginning. It's gonna happen. But my

982
00:55:48,520 --> 00:55:52,240
Speaker 1: thing is, eventually some of those niggas need to start going, Okay,

983
00:55:52,840 --> 00:55:56,279
Speaker 1: you paid your dudes, let's make it right. But some

984
00:55:56,400 --> 00:56:01,360
Speaker 1: of them niggas go funke deal. Know That's what happened.

985
00:56:01,400 --> 00:56:04,839
Speaker 1: Was me, my partner. When we did the Universal deal.

986
00:56:05,440 --> 00:56:08,640
Speaker 1: He sold the whole label, not through distributing me. He

987
00:56:08,680 --> 00:56:12,439
Speaker 1: sold his label for five millions. He gave me nothing

988
00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:15,200
Speaker 1: out of it, and I said, bro, but he goes,

989
00:56:15,239 --> 00:56:18,799
Speaker 1: you're gonna have a better deals Universal and then he said,

990
00:56:19,320 --> 00:56:21,840
Speaker 1: don't worry. I probably go I've been doing it forever.

991
00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:29,680
Speaker 1: Oh blah blad and I said yeah, yeah to Argentina,

992
00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:33,759
Speaker 1: and I um, when he did that, when he did

993
00:56:33,840 --> 00:56:37,400
Speaker 1: that deal, I end up getting three seventy five record

994
00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:41,799
Speaker 1: at Universal and then I he go, don't worry, you'll

995
00:56:41,840 --> 00:56:43,880
Speaker 1: be out of it soon and blah blah blah. And

996
00:56:43,960 --> 00:56:45,680
Speaker 1: he can't. You know, when they when they saw labels,

997
00:56:45,680 --> 00:56:47,520
Speaker 1: they can't be in the same business for five years.

998
00:56:48,080 --> 00:56:49,880
Speaker 1: So he ended up you know, when you saw that,

999
00:56:50,080 --> 00:56:51,520
Speaker 1: you don't want to be in competition. Don't want me

1000
00:56:51,520 --> 00:56:55,000
Speaker 1: in competition? Was a guy does that? So that record label.

1001
00:56:55,080 --> 00:56:57,279
Speaker 1: So he came to work. I'm gonna work for you,

1002
00:56:57,360 --> 00:56:59,359
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna get you a better deal. So when

1003
00:56:59,400 --> 00:57:02,359
Speaker 1: we got to in my deal, I got the full,

1004
00:57:02,560 --> 00:57:05,319
Speaker 1: the full deal, you know, I mean, that was my deal.

1005
00:57:05,680 --> 00:57:10,160
Speaker 1: I got the full seven nine record and everyone he signed,

1006
00:57:10,200 --> 00:57:12,400
Speaker 1: I made a dollar of each record because he couldn't

1007
00:57:12,400 --> 00:57:14,600
Speaker 1: have signed it to his name. You know what I'm saying,

1008
00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:16,960
Speaker 1: Who signed it to me? And you keep it? So

1009
00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:21,480
Speaker 1: I went through all the first bullshit. I mean, I

1010
00:57:21,760 --> 00:57:26,600
Speaker 1: was like seventy of his label when he sold five millions,

1011
00:57:27,200 --> 00:57:31,400
Speaker 1: because I had so many records, you know. So like

1012
00:57:31,520 --> 00:57:33,920
Speaker 1: you said, we all got to go like this and

1013
00:57:34,040 --> 00:57:38,040
Speaker 1: that that was the greatness, and a regular dude of that,

1014
00:57:38,200 --> 00:57:40,120
Speaker 1: like you're telling your story, I would have wanted to

1015
00:57:40,200 --> 00:57:43,720
Speaker 1: kill this dude everything. I was so mad so many times.

1016
00:57:44,400 --> 00:57:46,040
Speaker 1: I was so desperate. A couple of times, I'm gonna

1017
00:57:46,040 --> 00:57:48,720
Speaker 1: sold the whole label for chump change, you know what

1018
00:57:48,720 --> 00:57:52,040
Speaker 1: I mean, because being so desperately, and he told him,

1019
00:57:52,040 --> 00:57:55,000
Speaker 1: he's the one that told me, don't I could give

1020
00:57:55,040 --> 00:57:56,640
Speaker 1: it this money and then what are you gonna have

1021
00:57:57,200 --> 00:57:59,600
Speaker 1: to leave me? Hold on to it? You're gonna So

1022
00:58:00,040 --> 00:58:02,280
Speaker 1: that's what I did. Got the better deal. What's the

1023
00:58:02,320 --> 00:58:07,080
Speaker 1: new phone that the band? This is crazy? So when

1024
00:58:07,120 --> 00:58:09,680
Speaker 1: I did that, he kept his words. So that's why

1025
00:58:09,720 --> 00:58:12,400
Speaker 1: I never I have love fun because you know, you

1026
00:58:12,520 --> 00:58:14,760
Speaker 1: gotta learn a little bit. So that's why you say,

1027
00:58:15,320 --> 00:58:18,240
Speaker 1: if you never would have struggled and got the first deal,

1028
00:58:18,320 --> 00:58:20,960
Speaker 1: we got sucked on the first deal, you wouldn't have

1029
00:58:21,040 --> 00:58:25,120
Speaker 1: probably never been successful. Definitely, you gotta lose to win.

1030
00:58:25,240 --> 00:58:29,720
Speaker 1: Sometimes I looked at that. I looked at it like that, James,

1031
00:58:29,800 --> 00:58:33,760
Speaker 1: in the long run, because if you hear the tales

1032
00:58:33,960 --> 00:58:36,760
Speaker 1: of a lot of us as artists in the beginning

1033
00:58:37,440 --> 00:58:42,840
Speaker 1: who come from that era that limso unknown, that early

1034
00:58:43,160 --> 00:58:49,000
Speaker 1: rap era, it happened a lot of us, you say that,

1035
00:58:49,200 --> 00:58:52,240
Speaker 1: we're gonna say that's nothing. We're gonna say that motherfucker

1036
00:58:52,320 --> 00:58:55,400
Speaker 1: fu Uh, We're gonna we're gonna say that for stuff.

1037
00:58:55,440 --> 00:58:58,800
Speaker 1: So we called for with eight Industry and Shady and

1038
00:58:58,880 --> 00:59:01,800
Speaker 1: ship and get shady motherfucker's on the show and get

1039
00:59:01,880 --> 00:59:04,440
Speaker 1: them to deal with the situation that they create. It.

1040
00:59:05,760 --> 00:59:08,520
Speaker 1: You got damn MICUs. But let's sit down and discuss

1041
00:59:08,600 --> 00:59:10,920
Speaker 1: how y'all felt. Like you know what I'm saying, Because

1042
00:59:11,520 --> 00:59:14,080
Speaker 1: they deal with a lot of motherfucker's coming through their camp.

1043
00:59:14,200 --> 00:59:17,360
Speaker 1: You know what's funny, was there Mr Ken Harris either

1044
00:59:17,440 --> 00:59:20,280
Speaker 1: on the or the indoor swatman's in l a the Crinshaw.

1045
00:59:21,400 --> 00:59:24,440
Speaker 1: He's that easy used to come and they bring there

1046
00:59:25,200 --> 00:59:27,480
Speaker 1: but before they get their lines on them a pull

1047
00:59:27,560 --> 00:59:30,480
Speaker 1: up and sell who let go the records? Sell to

1048
00:59:30,560 --> 00:59:33,280
Speaker 1: him an eagle. Oh he's he's coming and put everything

1049
00:59:33,360 --> 00:59:41,440
Speaker 1: under the thing. Motherfuck's is a type motherfucker would go

1050
00:59:41,560 --> 00:59:45,360
Speaker 1: out and find like, say you you know you're trying

1051
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Speaker 1: to wrap you you you you you motherfucker come in

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Speaker 1: and see all of us knowing we ain't got a

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00:59:51,520 --> 00:59:55,600
Speaker 1: lawyer or a motherfucking pot to piss in. Nigga, I'm

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00:59:55,600 --> 00:59:57,800
Speaker 1: gonna put a record out. I don't put you on it.

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Speaker 1: You you, you, you and you and put that motherfuck

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Speaker 1: out and then when you come knock, and then they

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01:00:02,760 --> 01:00:06,640
Speaker 1: would be like like the motherfucker did made no money?

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01:00:06,960 --> 01:00:08,960
Speaker 1: Hell no, I didn't. Didn't do ship. But you ain't

1059
01:00:08,960 --> 01:00:11,120
Speaker 1: got a contract with a nigga nothing, So they're gonna

1060
01:00:11,160 --> 01:00:12,320
Speaker 1: look at you and be like you want to do

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01:00:12,360 --> 01:00:15,560
Speaker 1: another one. That's how they would get you in the

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01:00:15,640 --> 01:00:19,480
Speaker 1: days and get you ship when you need money the

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01:00:19,560 --> 01:00:23,680
Speaker 1: next one and giving you nothing on the next one. Thing.

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Speaker 1: This was ruthless way to go to fingers. I don't

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Speaker 1: I don't see that. I mean, you gotta be they've

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01:00:32,640 --> 01:00:34,840
Speaker 1: been doing it for years. Though they've been doing it

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01:00:34,960 --> 01:00:40,360
Speaker 1: for but before before rap even started, the black artists

1068
01:00:40,440 --> 01:00:42,640
Speaker 1: been getting fucked in the Mexican artists, and that you

1069
01:00:42,760 --> 01:00:46,440
Speaker 1: kind of been getting fucked for decades. You got these labels,

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01:00:46,520 --> 01:00:49,920
Speaker 1: contract and understand that, get a lawyer of somebody that

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01:00:50,080 --> 01:00:52,800
Speaker 1: doing to understanding. And then back then in the days, Jane,

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01:00:52,840 --> 01:00:56,200
Speaker 1: you're still getting fucked because the lawyer you're looking at lawyer,

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01:00:56,240 --> 01:00:58,840
Speaker 1: you're looking at it like this, I'm still making my bread.

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01:00:59,320 --> 01:01:02,600
Speaker 1: I'm still my motherfucking soul was in fact, like you

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01:01:02,680 --> 01:01:05,160
Speaker 1: were looking back there and and I'm gonna tell you

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01:01:06,120 --> 01:01:09,160
Speaker 1: that he's saying when we're starting and hungry. I took

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01:01:09,240 --> 01:01:12,120
Speaker 1: my deal because it was no other deal around. That

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01:01:12,240 --> 01:01:16,160
Speaker 1: was the deal. I signed a contract because I signed

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01:01:16,160 --> 01:01:18,840
Speaker 1: a contract because I was a young nigga, gang banging

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01:01:18,920 --> 01:01:22,280
Speaker 1: and competent and didn't see no other fucking hope of

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01:01:22,400 --> 01:01:25,160
Speaker 1: getting up out of this motherfucker. I wasn't gonna play

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01:01:25,200 --> 01:01:28,600
Speaker 1: no sports. I wasn't fnna be, no doctor, no lawyer,

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01:01:29,040 --> 01:01:33,040
Speaker 1: no policeman, none of that. Ship. I saw it as

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01:01:33,120 --> 01:01:38,200
Speaker 1: an opportunity because it was something I was passionate in soil.

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01:01:38,200 --> 01:01:40,800
Speaker 1: At the end of the day, we can't complain. I

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01:01:40,880 --> 01:01:43,280
Speaker 1: don't complain about it. I just tell the story of

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01:01:44,440 --> 01:01:47,960
Speaker 1: I'm man. I tell the story. I tell a story

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01:01:48,080 --> 01:01:52,720
Speaker 1: about I got fucked. And the longer I went on

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01:01:52,920 --> 01:01:56,800
Speaker 1: in the music business, I was able to learn contracts

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01:01:56,840 --> 01:02:00,720
Speaker 1: and publishing and splits and all that and old when

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01:02:00,760 --> 01:02:02,960
Speaker 1: the niggas put a contract in my face, I can

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01:02:03,000 --> 01:02:07,640
Speaker 1: go now ah hell na A hell na A hell no,

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01:02:07,800 --> 01:02:09,800
Speaker 1: you can keep that right there. Let me know when

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01:02:09,840 --> 01:02:12,800
Speaker 1: you get back with me with something proper. But but

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01:02:12,920 --> 01:02:15,360
Speaker 1: it was it was a learning experience. Like I said,

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01:02:15,680 --> 01:02:19,320
Speaker 1: I got sucked when I signed the deal because I

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01:02:19,440 --> 01:02:21,360
Speaker 1: just wanted to be a rapper. And then when the

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01:02:21,480 --> 01:02:25,200
Speaker 1: deal turned into a major deal, I got sucked again

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01:02:25,560 --> 01:02:30,160
Speaker 1: because I wanted to sign to Sony Music. Did I

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01:02:30,320 --> 01:02:34,400
Speaker 1: know a motherfucker was crooked? Hell yeah, nigga, you've been crooked.

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01:02:34,600 --> 01:02:37,400
Speaker 1: You ain't gonna change. But that was my opportunity to

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01:02:37,520 --> 01:02:39,960
Speaker 1: get in. Once I got in, and now I can

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01:02:40,040 --> 01:02:43,760
Speaker 1: start board than motherfucker's and going him. Hell n you

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01:02:43,840 --> 01:02:47,560
Speaker 1: want me to do another record, kick that motherfucking to

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01:02:47,640 --> 01:02:50,640
Speaker 1: the side, or ain't recording ship and by that time

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01:02:51,200 --> 01:02:55,960
Speaker 1: they won't m see a records. Fuck him, he anybody

1107
01:02:56,080 --> 01:02:58,960
Speaker 1: should They ain't got rid of him? Buy what you

1108
01:02:59,040 --> 01:03:02,040
Speaker 1: wanna do? Eight a day. I need this, I need this,

1109
01:03:02,320 --> 01:03:05,520
Speaker 1: I need that. No problem here you go, brand new contract, restructure,

1110
01:03:06,160 --> 01:03:08,640
Speaker 1: so you have to build that report with the mother.

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01:03:08,880 --> 01:03:11,880
Speaker 1: Once I got in and I start seeing niggas at

1112
01:03:11,920 --> 01:03:15,000
Speaker 1: the label and handshaking and unty wound, I was able

1113
01:03:15,040 --> 01:03:17,920
Speaker 1: to go on all this. Nigga stole publishing money from me.

1114
01:03:18,240 --> 01:03:21,120
Speaker 1: This nigga stole this and this. You don't get rid

1115
01:03:21,200 --> 01:03:24,000
Speaker 1: of him and structure a new deal, you won't get

1116
01:03:24,040 --> 01:03:31,400
Speaker 1: another verse from me. Chif you want to deal with me, motherfucker,

1117
01:03:31,400 --> 01:03:34,280
Speaker 1: I'm coming off top. Was already cricket though the top

1118
01:03:34,360 --> 01:03:36,000
Speaker 1: of deals him and then kicked him out into the

1119
01:03:36,120 --> 01:03:38,720
Speaker 1: top is already cricket. That here, but but here's the

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01:03:38,760 --> 01:03:42,560
Speaker 1: worst thing in the world. Today's business or still be

1121
01:03:42,960 --> 01:03:45,040
Speaker 1: the money you're talking even when you're getting ripped off,

1122
01:03:45,920 --> 01:03:49,160
Speaker 1: way more beautiful than today today, so fucking worth it.

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01:03:49,440 --> 01:03:51,720
Speaker 1: You could have the greatest deal from God himself and

1124
01:03:51,840 --> 01:03:55,840
Speaker 1: come and go and you're still make no money. These

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01:03:55,920 --> 01:04:01,360
Speaker 1: new orders are broke. Um of my artist. That's his

1126
01:04:01,440 --> 01:04:07,600
Speaker 1: only little deal, okay, through Empire eighties, seven million streams.

1127
01:04:09,200 --> 01:04:11,840
Speaker 1: There's how much money that was? What do you think

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01:04:12,520 --> 01:04:16,280
Speaker 1: pay no money? Seven thousand dollars on me? Has that

1129
01:04:16,320 --> 01:04:17,959
Speaker 1: even a penion? If you got a penny, that would

1130
01:04:17,960 --> 01:04:23,360
Speaker 1: be seven thousand dollars mm, seven thousand dollars. So so,

1131
01:04:23,760 --> 01:04:26,880
Speaker 1: because those deals only work unless you in the back pocket.

1132
01:04:27,400 --> 01:04:30,560
Speaker 1: Those deals only work is if you're considered somebody who

1133
01:04:30,720 --> 01:04:34,360
Speaker 1: they could generate income off the seven million much Facebook.

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01:04:34,400 --> 01:04:37,080
Speaker 1: Man was on Facebook book pain stream now. But like

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01:04:37,240 --> 01:04:40,360
Speaker 1: you said, who is he as an artist? Oh? He's

1136
01:04:40,360 --> 01:04:43,680
Speaker 1: an artist? Is he somebody? Okay? So there you go.

1137
01:04:43,960 --> 01:04:49,240
Speaker 1: But I guess how much Facebook me eighty seven millions

1138
01:04:49,240 --> 01:04:52,200
Speaker 1: of dollar click they got. They got two commercials on

1139
01:04:52,240 --> 01:04:57,720
Speaker 1: their motherfucker commercial year commercial side. If you go buy

1140
01:04:57,720 --> 01:05:00,160
Speaker 1: ads right now to promote the show on Facebook, it's

1141
01:05:00,200 --> 01:05:02,680
Speaker 1: basically a dollar click. Yeah. I want to ask you something.

1142
01:05:02,720 --> 01:05:07,640
Speaker 1: I want to go back man, real quickly back again. Yeah. Yeah,

1143
01:05:08,520 --> 01:05:10,200
Speaker 1: to get more, I gotta come and bring from the

1144
01:05:10,320 --> 01:05:14,720
Speaker 1: drying come and get faded. I want to because crazy shop.

1145
01:05:18,280 --> 01:05:23,440
Speaker 1: But I used to shoot corny as that all this

1146
01:05:23,560 --> 01:05:35,040
Speaker 1: ship but at my office. Thanks fans, what's the craziest thing? Yeah, um,

1147
01:05:35,840 --> 01:05:38,040
Speaker 1: dudes come and ask because then the wise in front

1148
01:05:38,080 --> 01:05:47,120
Speaker 1: of him that I never got none of that on

1149
01:05:47,280 --> 01:05:53,760
Speaker 1: this first deal. Good on this first deal that my

1150
01:05:53,880 --> 01:05:56,880
Speaker 1: wife many come and hit all the artists of them.

1151
01:05:58,400 --> 01:06:00,720
Speaker 1: Fans asked you to do some trip and this stuff.

1152
01:06:01,680 --> 01:06:04,720
Speaker 1: I've seen crazy ship be in small towns like to

1153
01:06:04,960 --> 01:06:07,200
Speaker 1: somewhere the you know, the hotels are not big, so

1154
01:06:07,600 --> 01:06:09,840
Speaker 1: the only two stories. You don't talking away, So we

1155
01:06:10,000 --> 01:06:12,840
Speaker 1: we stick to putt us up there and dudes pull

1156
01:06:12,960 --> 01:06:15,000
Speaker 1: up because we always throw posters out. We perform it.

1157
01:06:15,520 --> 01:06:18,440
Speaker 1: We always throw a gang of shot out. So hey,

1158
01:06:18,560 --> 01:06:22,200
Speaker 1: can you sign my girls poster? Oh yeah, girl come

1159
01:06:22,280 --> 01:06:25,040
Speaker 1: up sitting in the cart talking as it's a balcony,

1160
01:06:25,840 --> 01:06:31,480
Speaker 1: are sucking everyone up. Oh she's gonta be down right now? Right?

1161
01:06:31,560 --> 01:06:36,800
Speaker 1: She like that girl? No clue. That's why I knew

1162
01:06:38,040 --> 01:06:40,439
Speaker 1: it doesn't when the new girls are worse than any

1163
01:06:40,520 --> 01:06:43,400
Speaker 1: guy in the world. I mean the guys kid, guys

1164
01:06:43,440 --> 01:06:46,880
Speaker 1: can't never even funk. Half of girls go fuckory. I'm

1165
01:06:46,920 --> 01:07:00,400
Speaker 1: not haspect one time. Kind of right. It was like

1166
01:07:01,200 --> 01:07:11,240
Speaker 1: like I heard one it was an old legend. It was,

1167
01:07:11,840 --> 01:07:14,000
Speaker 1: it was an old legend. You gotta rap. Who said

1168
01:07:14,760 --> 01:07:20,640
Speaker 1: royal throw me a town? She said, get a soapas

1169
01:07:20,680 --> 01:07:23,000
Speaker 1: and get a bar soap in the town. And we

1170
01:07:23,160 --> 01:07:26,360
Speaker 1: we we started laughing and we found out we found

1171
01:07:26,440 --> 01:07:33,240
Speaker 1: the ground on me. So, I mean, you know what

1172
01:07:33,440 --> 01:07:38,040
Speaker 1: you like? I didn't know we're gonna do. You told me,

1173
01:07:38,120 --> 01:07:40,200
Speaker 1: but we didn't talk since told me, and you could

1174
01:07:40,200 --> 01:07:44,840
Speaker 1: telling me all years. So yeah, it was like a

1175
01:07:44,960 --> 01:07:47,800
Speaker 1: five hour long interview if you really go to work.

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01:07:48,000 --> 01:07:50,720
Speaker 1: We went back home. Man, where can people go find it?

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01:07:50,920 --> 01:07:54,120
Speaker 1: Man on my website? No profile records on my Instagram,

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01:07:54,200 --> 01:07:59,760
Speaker 1: low profile records, all one word. Yeah. We then I

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01:07:59,800 --> 01:08:02,560
Speaker 1: got a fat Walker because we'll start our podcast. We're

1180
01:08:03,000 --> 01:08:06,200
Speaker 1: we're turning all our fat Walker edibles into CBD. So

1181
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Speaker 1: fat Yeah, did you bring some sample? I'll tell you.

1182
01:08:10,880 --> 01:08:14,520
Speaker 1: I don't wake up this dirting. You know there's black

1183
01:08:14,560 --> 01:08:21,360
Speaker 1: folks time. You know that as a motherfucker, I don't

1184
01:08:21,400 --> 01:08:30,600
Speaker 1: know a little one thing about racist. Hey, everybody, we

1185
01:08:30,680 --> 01:08:34,400
Speaker 1: need an admission before we go check this guy for

1186
01:08:34,520 --> 01:08:38,160
Speaker 1: knoxe and guns. This guy ever say no, man, he

1187
01:08:38,320 --> 01:08:44,080
Speaker 1: was that tight in job wise, not his mouth. I'm

1188
01:08:44,080 --> 01:08:45,680
Speaker 1: the first one. I made a funk Downald Trump my

1189
01:08:45,720 --> 01:08:50,320
Speaker 1: spootl shirts. But his job wise as making business common sense,

1190
01:08:50,720 --> 01:08:53,360
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, I like common sense. He's an idiot,

1191
01:08:53,400 --> 01:08:56,040
Speaker 1: but common sense meaning, I mean just Biden is a

1192
01:08:56,080 --> 01:09:00,479
Speaker 1: fucking joke man. You know what I mean, starting to

1193
01:09:00,520 --> 01:09:04,840
Speaker 1: warling oil independence, taking away our oil independence. You know,

1194
01:09:05,240 --> 01:09:08,600
Speaker 1: all these fucking dumb electric cars. Okay, you know what

1195
01:09:08,680 --> 01:09:12,479
Speaker 1: you need to run lectra cours oil. So all of

1196
01:09:12,560 --> 01:09:15,800
Speaker 1: us making oils so small. Pretty soon everyone's gonna have

1197
01:09:15,840 --> 01:09:20,439
Speaker 1: electric car and be like oils. Ten thou gallon. So

1198
01:09:20,560 --> 01:09:22,560
Speaker 1: now you've been paying for every part is on me.

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Speaker 1: Even when you put the battery thing, that's all you're

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Speaker 1: on top, So don't burn up. And where we're gonna

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01:09:28,720 --> 01:09:38,120
Speaker 1: put these batteries out, RENI I just like commensense. You know,

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Speaker 1: thank you guys checking in with us. Man and the

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Speaker 1: Holy Word team were for sure. We'll have them back.

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Speaker 1: doctor damn big no, no, she should have asked me

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Speaker 1: what what what six that is six thirty six. Kill

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Speaker 1: them all. I can do that, buck, I got here

1209
01:10:14,240 --> 01:10:16,040
Speaker 1: to do it in the back, especially all you wrong

1210
01:10:16,240 --> 01:10:19,640
Speaker 1: motherfucker's out did just tacking brother's money. Man, y'all, luck

1211
01:10:19,720 --> 01:10:21,960
Speaker 1: y'all didn't know your motherfucker's back then in the days,

1212
01:10:21,960 --> 01:10:24,280
Speaker 1: because I when it came at you don't be the

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01:10:24,320 --> 01:10:26,759
Speaker 1: blinds on the line, man, no lines with my money.

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01:10:28,479 --> 01:10:32,519
Speaker 1: Grillers asked a little bit, Eagle said, Other than that,

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Speaker 1: still still saying you were gonna Robert dick Is back

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Speaker 1: in the day, So you know we're gonna get your

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01:10:47,320 --> 01:10:52,519
Speaker 1: chance to Yeah, I love they can keep it, hood

1218
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Speaker 1: fuck it. We got this man. Well. That concludes another

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Speaker 1: episode of Against Chronicles podcast. Be sure to download the

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Speaker 1: a rating. Executive producers for The Gangster Chronicles of Norm Steele,

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Speaker 1: safe out there.