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Speaker 1: as Rape and I reunite. Ray we've been doing boxing

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Speaker 1: then there we go. Let's loosen up a little bit here,

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Speaker 1: Rave Bartholomew. We come this week to react, of course,

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Speaker 1: to the to the overall fall out, the hangover of

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Speaker 1: what was a great fight for the sport, a bit,

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Speaker 1: Tayl Femo Lopez Junior. You already heard me break it down,

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Speaker 1: Coppinger send Mordicio to hell about the old franchise thing.

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Speaker 1: But I want to get race reaction. Most importantly, we

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Speaker 1: want to find out where Lopez now fits in in

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Speaker 1: this mythical boxing pound for pound top ten. Look, I

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Speaker 1: care about this. To me, this is the true currency

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Speaker 1: what I'm talking about, and we just sort of have

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Speaker 2: Some might say that pound for pound is just a

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Speaker 1: But who was a test man? Right?

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Speaker 4: Loman is the test man. He's not the machine.

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Speaker 4: He did very well.

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Speaker 1: He did finish like a man straight up. He figured

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Speaker 2: I think, I look, I think that he should have

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Speaker 1: one of the best quotes that we play on our

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Speaker 1: Anatolely Lomachenko, the Ukrainian trainer to the stars. People have asked, Loma,

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Speaker 1: what's the secret to your style? Is did the Ukrainian

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Speaker 1: traditional dance? No, it's not. I think his secret it's

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Speaker 1: a yeah, well not on this night. Ray, Do you

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Speaker 1: the Lomachenko's thought, and fifty percent that they just thought

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Speaker 1: This kid's gonna blow it. You're blowing a kid, right.

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Speaker 1: No one got blown.

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Speaker 2: Ray, Oh unfortunately not. But Brian, I think it. Look

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Speaker 2: that's bad advice. That's that that was bad cornering.

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Speaker 4: He was wrong. I don't blame still, I put more

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Speaker 2: The blame and the glory goes to the actual fighter,

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Speaker 2: not his corner.

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Speaker 4: It's Lomachenko. Lomachenko was in there.

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Speaker 2: He's been fighting his entire life, most more in his

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Speaker 2: amateur career. Right, He's had a relatively abbreviated professional career,

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Speaker 2: but has accomplished a ton.

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Speaker 4: Of shitload in that amount of time.

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Speaker 2: Brian, and if he couldn't figure out that he was

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Speaker 4: I don't I'm not upset that he's like, oh, I

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Speaker 2: Uh, But deep inside, if he didn't know that he

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Speaker 5: He you know Julie Letterman had this scorecard, Brian, I

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Speaker 1: Thank you? All right? How did you score this one?

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Speaker 4: What was so?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? This is where I invite the ridicule of you.

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Speaker 1: Don't do it.

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Speaker 2: It definitely didn't look like Loma one to me, but

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Speaker 4: And I felt bad when it happened.

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Speaker 2: Look, I en I in a real judge, and the

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Speaker 1: Probably? All right?

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Speaker 4: I like that. I like that.

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Speaker 2: I I going in last week, I did think that

434
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Speaker 2: the Calza Kyalzagi Lacey you know scenario was a possibility.

435
00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:21,359
Speaker 2: Look to people who thought that Loma Chenko was going

436
00:21:21,359 --> 00:21:24,720
Speaker 2: to be too much, that Lopez was too inexperience wasn't

437
00:21:24,760 --> 00:21:26,520
Speaker 2: ready to deal with that, That's not that was not

438
00:21:26,600 --> 00:21:30,160
Speaker 2: an outrageous take going into this fight. Nor were nor

439
00:21:30,320 --> 00:21:34,280
Speaker 2: was the take that Lopez, with his power and reflexes, speed,

440
00:21:34,720 --> 00:21:38,000
Speaker 2: all of that was going would would would flatten Loma,

441
00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:40,280
Speaker 2: would knock him out. Neither of those things happened, but

442
00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:44,159
Speaker 2: those were well within the range of reasonable predictions because

443
00:21:44,440 --> 00:21:46,639
Speaker 2: there was so much Boxing doesn't always give you a

444
00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:50,120
Speaker 2: lot to work with. These two fighters each only had

445
00:21:50,280 --> 00:21:55,040
Speaker 2: fifteen pro fights coming into this fight, and Lopez especially

446
00:21:55,240 --> 00:21:58,919
Speaker 2: had never other than Richard Kami hadn't fought anybody really

447
00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:01,600
Speaker 2: that didn't that that could tell us anything about how

448
00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:02,200
Speaker 2: he might do.

449
00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:04,720
Speaker 1: And he blew him away. Right, is Diego mcdillid's the

450
00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:07,159
Speaker 1: only quasi elite win he had before way.

451
00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:11,800
Speaker 2: Late in I mean, I Diego Magdaleno is is down

452
00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:15,399
Speaker 2: from quasi elites to big gatekeeper status by the time

453
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Speaker 2: you know Tayo female got to.

454
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Speaker 1: Him looking in handsome too as well. Please, all right,

455
00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:24,239
Speaker 1: let's transition into this now. We laid the foundation. This

456
00:22:24,320 --> 00:22:25,760
Speaker 1: had a chance to really shake up the pound for

457
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Speaker 1: pound rankings. Most people had Lomachenko one, two or three

458
00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:31,840
Speaker 1: coming in, Lopez obviously unranked. It's always hard to gauge

459
00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:35,760
Speaker 1: when somebody doesn't have the resume to equal the eye tests.

460
00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:38,199
Speaker 1: We went through that with Glovkin for years. But then

461
00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:40,280
Speaker 1: they go f around and beat one of the top

462
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Speaker 1: two or three guys, and you're like, what do we

463
00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:46,399
Speaker 1: do when Srisaketsu rungby side went from eating rats in

464
00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:49,840
Speaker 1: in uh holding up the the boombox to uh to

465
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Speaker 1: Peter Gabriel's uh, you know, and that was I say

466
00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:55,840
Speaker 1: anything with the movie. And then he went left around

467
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Speaker 1: and beat chocol Latito. I put him at like seven

468
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Speaker 1: or eight. Then when he went and knocked out Chocolate

469
00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:03,080
Speaker 1: Deed on the rematch, it was like, this guy might

470
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Speaker 1: be a top five or six fighter in the world.

471
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Speaker 1: I want to break this down in increments here. I

472
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Speaker 1: just published on CBS sports dot com my updated pound

473
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Speaker 1: for pound top ten. Uh. You've got your own as well,

474
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Speaker 1: but let's just start with this basis does a win

475
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Speaker 1: And it was. It was close but convincing from both

476
00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:21,200
Speaker 1: of our viewpoints, although you did have it to draw.

477
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Speaker 1: But you get what I'm saying.

478
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Speaker 4: Oh but I still look.

479
00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:25,040
Speaker 2: It was one of those things where I scored round

480
00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:27,240
Speaker 2: by round and came out with a score. I was like,

481
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Speaker 2: oh man, I somebody got to score wrong.

482
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Speaker 1: My eye tep My eyes told me something else, you

483
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Speaker 1: know what I mean. I'm not I don't always have

484
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Speaker 1: that feeling.

485
00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:36,800
Speaker 3: Being horny all hours of the day.

486
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Speaker 1: Two do you think that victory alone, regardless of where

487
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Speaker 1: he is in your top ten, pushes this Manteo Fema

488
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Speaker 1: Lopez into the top ten, no doubt.

489
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Speaker 2: Yeah, top ten. I cannot see a argument for keeping

490
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Speaker 2: him out. You you, he just convincingly beat the fighter

491
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Speaker 2: that has been number one on almost everyone's list at

492
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Speaker 2: some point in time in recent years, and who a

493
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Speaker 2: lot of people still had as number one, and who

494
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Speaker 2: I would have argued going into this fight, was the

495
00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:12,439
Speaker 2: most deserving number one still out there. So yeah, he

496
00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:14,400
Speaker 2: deserves to be in the top ten. I think if

497
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Speaker 2: you put him in and look, Brian, this messes up.

498
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Speaker 4: There have been two fights.

499
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Speaker 2: It's weird in a year where, you know, because of

500
00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:24,520
Speaker 2: the pandemic, boxing has not been able to have its

501
00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:28,160
Speaker 2: normal schedule, there have been two fights that really threw

502
00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:32,560
Speaker 2: gigantic monkey wrenches into pound for bound pound for pound.

503
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Speaker 4: Lists and rankings.

504
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Speaker 2: Because first, Tyson Furies went over Deontay Wilder, which was

505
00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:39,840
Speaker 2: so eye opening and made such a strong case that

506
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Speaker 2: he had to be in there.

507
00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:42,520
Speaker 4: But then it's like what happens to Usik?

508
00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:45,320
Speaker 2: If you think Usik is better pound for pound but

509
00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:48,639
Speaker 2: wouldn't beat Fury at heavyweight, how the hell do you

510
00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:51,840
Speaker 2: deal with that? Likewise, with this Lopez, I think if

511
00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:54,119
Speaker 2: you put him in there, you can't put him. I

512
00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:55,639
Speaker 2: know you did this, and I know a lot of

513
00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:58,680
Speaker 2: people did this, and I look, it's pound for pounds,

514
00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:00,840
Speaker 2: so nothing is as long as you can back up

515
00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:02,800
Speaker 2: your own idea, it's good.

516
00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:05,159
Speaker 4: I think the people like screaming.

517
00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:08,640
Speaker 2: At each other online right now over very small differences

518
00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:09,840
Speaker 2: are kind of silly.

519
00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:13,159
Speaker 1: But don't have vitamin Kitcho number one after Floyd retires.

520
00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:15,920
Speaker 2: No one would ever do that, Brian, No one ever

521
00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:18,399
Speaker 2: would Has anyone ever tried to do that?

522
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Speaker 4: I don't think so, No, and.

523
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Speaker 1: Bright don't look at me. It was that damn sasquatch

524
00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:26,359
Speaker 1: that all the kids lunches.

525
00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:28,960
Speaker 2: But the way I look at it, Brian, if you're

526
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Speaker 2: gonna put Tayo Fema Lopez into your top ten, and

527
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Speaker 2: I think you need to, you also can't put him

528
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Speaker 2: behind Vasili Lomachenko because he I know you did, but

529
00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:41,800
Speaker 2: he just beat Lomachenko, So how do you do that?

530
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Speaker 1: I peeped a lot of top tens as I was

531
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Speaker 1: compiling mine as a watch a lot of guys complex

532
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Speaker 1: ring magazine Complex?

533
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Speaker 4: Who gives it?

534
00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:51,679
Speaker 1: It?

535
00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:52,680
Speaker 4: Just complex?

536
00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:56,240
Speaker 1: It just happened to pop up, they have boxing it complex.

537
00:25:56,720 --> 00:25:58,480
Speaker 1: The thing is that you're saying is when it comes

538
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Speaker 1: to doing.

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Speaker 4: You do you still where echo unlimited? Why are we

540
00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:02,720
Speaker 4: talking about complex?

541
00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:05,240
Speaker 1: To look at things right, I've looked at a lot

542
00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:07,760
Speaker 1: of guys, well, you know you want to you know.

543
00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:11,359
Speaker 3: Let's look at the entire man.

544
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Speaker 1: Thank you, Richard Dwyer. And when I when I found

545
00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:15,520
Speaker 1: the guy, there was something I wanted when I came

546
00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:22,359
Speaker 1: in right, specifically right, I have beautiful guys, So jokes aside.

547
00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:27,639
Speaker 1: People have different needle innings on pof upon and what

548
00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:29,760
Speaker 1: it means to them. I've always been a guy who

549
00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:34,120
Speaker 1: says your resume gets you in, although you can get in,

550
00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:37,480
Speaker 1: you know if the eye test is overwhelming. But it's

551
00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:40,080
Speaker 1: more the eye test, it's more the traditional of who

552
00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:43,159
Speaker 1: would beat who in a mythical match that allows you

553
00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:45,080
Speaker 1: to jump up. You know. That's why I think when

554
00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:48,200
Speaker 1: there's an aging champion who accomplished everything, but he's starting

555
00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:49,760
Speaker 1: to slow down and not look great, you don't. You

556
00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:51,440
Speaker 1: don't keep him at number three or four just because

557
00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:53,639
Speaker 1: of that. You can slide them down because it's about

558
00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:56,320
Speaker 1: right now, right. So I get that there's different debates

559
00:26:56,400 --> 00:27:01,320
Speaker 1: or criteria here, but everybody has Lopez now higher than Lomachenko,

560
00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:04,080
Speaker 1: and on the surface that makes sense. Head to head,

561
00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:06,119
Speaker 1: they met in the same way class and he just

562
00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:08,160
Speaker 1: beat them. I may be the only guy who still

563
00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:11,760
Speaker 1: has Lomachenko higher than Lopez. And here's my take on that.

564
00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:14,760
Speaker 1: Number one. We have such a small sample size for

565
00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:17,720
Speaker 1: Lopez against I mean, not to disrespect, he fought the

566
00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:19,960
Speaker 1: right guy's top break matchmakers or genius. He fought the

567
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:21,960
Speaker 1: right guys at the right time and blew them away.

568
00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:24,800
Speaker 1: But as we just talked about, it's Richard Comy, it

569
00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:27,640
Speaker 1: was whatever was left of Magdaleno, and there's a lot

570
00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:30,760
Speaker 1: of rock hard mighties, Mason Maynard's in there. So we

571
00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:33,840
Speaker 1: just have really one instance or one and a half

572
00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:36,800
Speaker 1: if you count the Komi fight, on how truly elite

573
00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:39,719
Speaker 1: he really is now for his favorite for his credit,

574
00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:42,960
Speaker 1: if Lopez had knocked out Lomachenko in the round two,

575
00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:44,960
Speaker 1: I don't think he would get to say as much

576
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:47,800
Speaker 1: respect as having seen him go twelve and react and

577
00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:50,400
Speaker 1: have poise and have a game plan and have everything.

578
00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:54,119
Speaker 1: But he only has that one little window that we saw,

579
00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:57,000
Speaker 1: and Lomachenko did rally late to have people like you

580
00:27:57,040 --> 00:28:00,600
Speaker 1: have an argument for a close fight, and the flip

581
00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:04,000
Speaker 1: side of that is Lomachenko, like Canelo, is in a

582
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:06,200
Speaker 1: lot of ways the true definition of pound for pound.

583
00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:09,199
Speaker 1: He can do it over multiple weight classes where that

584
00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:11,760
Speaker 1: doesn't catch up with him. So while he just may

585
00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:13,960
Speaker 1: have lost to a guy in Lopez who might be

586
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:15,479
Speaker 1: the best lightweight in the world right now in an

587
00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:19,080
Speaker 1: absolutely loaded lightweight division, tomorrow, Lomachenko can go back to

588
00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:20,480
Speaker 1: one thirty in my eyes right.

589
00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:22,760
Speaker 4: Not loaded. Don't even do that. It's not loaded.

590
00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:26,360
Speaker 1: Loaded with potential, yes, I'll go with that, Brian Garcia, Devin.

591
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:28,119
Speaker 2: Haines, loaded with potential of guys who aren't going to

592
00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:29,720
Speaker 2: be a lightweight for more than two years.

593
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:35,320
Speaker 1: Because Lomachenko can go back and right tomorrow could be

594
00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:37,359
Speaker 1: the best one hundred and thirty pound fighter in the world,

595
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:40,560
Speaker 1: and if he could still make it, you'd probably favor

596
00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:42,920
Speaker 1: him to be featherweight, even though there's always great featherweights

597
00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:45,360
Speaker 1: out there. I think that is enough in my eyes,

598
00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:49,240
Speaker 1: because Lomachenko did make the right adjustments. He just started late,

599
00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:51,840
Speaker 1: bro and he didn't get batter of the first seven,

600
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:55,400
Speaker 1: he just got beat I think that until we see

601
00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:59,240
Speaker 1: a little bit more from Lopez, I got Lomachenko higher.

602
00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:02,040
Speaker 1: Is that a crime? In this mythical bs pound for

603
00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:04,160
Speaker 1: pound that I still think has merit and value, which

604
00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:05,880
Speaker 1: is why I care about it. Do you think that's

605
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:06,280
Speaker 1: a crime.

606
00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:10,080
Speaker 4: Look, some people think that's a crime. I think that's fair.

607
00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:13,520
Speaker 2: You just argued, you made an argument that makes sense

608
00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:16,719
Speaker 2: that like has coherence to it for why you think that?

609
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:17,600
Speaker 4: And I get it.

610
00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:19,440
Speaker 2: And in a lot of ways, the thing I like

611
00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:23,120
Speaker 2: about what you've done is that by not forcing yourself

612
00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:26,280
Speaker 2: to put Lopez over Lomachenko, because it's like, okay, like

613
00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:29,560
Speaker 2: you said, it was a fairly close fight, or it

614
00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:31,720
Speaker 2: could have been, you know, some way, it was not

615
00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:37,360
Speaker 2: a complete whitewashing. And do you don't look at that

616
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:40,000
Speaker 2: and say, man, I want to drop Lomachenko out all

617
00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:45,040
Speaker 2: together or much further past five six seven in that range.

618
00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:49,840
Speaker 2: And by not forcing yourself to put Lopez above him,

619
00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:52,560
Speaker 2: then you don't run into the problems I ran into

620
00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:54,320
Speaker 2: when I was trying to you know, I just tried

621
00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:56,360
Speaker 2: to throw together and listen, see what I would do

622
00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:59,760
Speaker 2: based on what I used to have and by putting

623
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:01,920
Speaker 2: if I said, I said to myself. All right, I

624
00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:04,360
Speaker 2: don't think Lomachenko really deserves to go lower than five. Well,

625
00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:07,200
Speaker 2: then I have to make Lopez four. Well, if that's

626
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:09,400
Speaker 2: the case, and I have you know, Canelo and Bud

627
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:12,440
Speaker 2: Crawford in the one and two spots, that means either

628
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:17,480
Speaker 2: Aerol Spence or Inue or some other extremely extremely elite

629
00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:20,680
Speaker 2: fighter is gonna get jacked all the way down to six.

630
00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:22,280
Speaker 4: And that doesn't look right either.

631
00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:23,840
Speaker 2: So it's it's this, We're in this kind of like

632
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:26,920
Speaker 2: an impossible pound for pound moment. As long as you

633
00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:30,160
Speaker 2: are someone thinking about it with a clear brain, you know,

634
00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:33,160
Speaker 2: just just do whatever you know, do whatever makes sense

635
00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:34,080
Speaker 2: to you, and.

636
00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:39,480
Speaker 1: If you agree or disagree with somebody's list, then say

637
00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:41,720
Speaker 1: at the end of the day. So I think you're right,

638
00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:43,920
Speaker 1: because look, we are at a rare time and I've

639
00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:46,160
Speaker 1: talked about this last last year in pound for pound

640
00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:48,680
Speaker 1: where I believe that there are four to five guys

641
00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:52,120
Speaker 1: with a legitimate case, where normally it's one, two and

642
00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:54,240
Speaker 1: maybe a hipster third if you're lucky. I mean, there's

643
00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:56,120
Speaker 1: there's a lot of guys short of you know, Will

644
00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:59,480
Speaker 1: Muchenko xiting that conversation that had a claim so let's

645
00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:02,120
Speaker 1: get into it here in terms of where we went

646
00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:05,400
Speaker 1: with it and all that. I'm gonna tell you first, Rafe,

647
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:08,760
Speaker 1: who's the honorable mention? Who's on the outside looking in

648
00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:10,040
Speaker 1: on my list? Are you ready for this?

649
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:11,480
Speaker 4: I'm ready, Weaver.

650
00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:14,080
Speaker 1: I only want you to stop me if it's egregious

651
00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:17,400
Speaker 1: in your eyes. Okay, Okay, Leo Santa Cruz honorable mention.

652
00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:21,400
Speaker 2: Look, honorable mention. I'm not I'd be fighting you if

653
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:22,080
Speaker 2: he was top ten.

654
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:28,320
Speaker 1: Naddi Glood, that's fine, that's fine. Ramirez, Oh yeah, Tartan Tornado,

655
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:31,680
Speaker 1: Josh Taylor, Okay, Jermel Charlow.

656
00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:36,440
Speaker 2: I think there's a strong argument right now for Jamel

657
00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:39,480
Speaker 2: being solidly in the back end, like in the eight

658
00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:40,520
Speaker 2: to ten range.

659
00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:42,840
Speaker 4: Uh, it took me a minute to realize it.

660
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:46,280
Speaker 2: But his resume, he's got three belt Look at me, Max,

661
00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:50,040
Speaker 2: I have three belts Kazakhstan forever except in Houston, Texas.

662
00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:51,760
Speaker 4: You already no, he's the best.

663
00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:57,840
Speaker 2: Brian and Uh, seriously though, besides of reciting soundbites that

664
00:31:58,080 --> 00:31:59,960
Speaker 2: your viewers may not actually even know.

665
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:02,960
Speaker 1: Uh, pop off the hook for you saying.

666
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:05,440
Speaker 3: That, I just find that all incredibly hypocritical.

667
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:09,200
Speaker 2: Uh, Finally, I don't give a goddamn mother f what

668
00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:10,400
Speaker 2: in a donut?

669
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:13,960
Speaker 4: What that person? Uh?

670
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:18,480
Speaker 2: Brian Jamel Charlo, He's got the resume. I think that

671
00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:22,320
Speaker 2: looking at my list, I probably would take Betterbev out

672
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:25,160
Speaker 2: and replace him with with with Charlow.

673
00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:27,160
Speaker 4: As great, I think better better Beev is great.

674
00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:31,880
Speaker 1: But honorable mention Arthur better viv okay, okay to the

675
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:34,320
Speaker 1: Vodzik knockout. I had him in there. He just so

676
00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:36,760
Speaker 1: happened to get bumped out, not to his doing. He

677
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:39,680
Speaker 1: delayed his October return due to injury. We're probably gonna

678
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:42,200
Speaker 1: see him against Bevall next year. He's probably gonna win

679
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:43,640
Speaker 1: in a great fight, and he'll probably be back in

680
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:47,000
Speaker 1: this top ten. Noice love the man. My last honorable

681
00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:51,800
Speaker 1: mention Jan Francisco Estrada who Friday in a rematch with

682
00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:54,720
Speaker 1: Carlos back in Quadris. And oh, by the way, Raf,

683
00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:56,360
Speaker 1: he's been in and out of my top ten for

684
00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:59,880
Speaker 1: like seven years? Why? Why? Because I know this game

685
00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:06,200
Speaker 1: right brother, I'm calling my shot over here. So you're

686
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:08,000
Speaker 1: good with that. You're ready for me to break down

687
00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:08,560
Speaker 1: the top ten?

688
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:09,320
Speaker 4: Yeah? Do it?

689
00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:09,520
Speaker 3: Do it?

690
00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:10,000
Speaker 4: Laid on me.

691
00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:14,360
Speaker 1: Here we go. Number ten Rafe Jermal Charlo. I thought

692
00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:17,240
Speaker 1: from that Charlo pay per view, which both were stepping

693
00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:20,000
Speaker 1: up to the top level for not the first time,

694
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:22,160
Speaker 1: but for Jamal really at middleweight for the first time.

695
00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:25,800
Speaker 1: Derevin Chenko was was elite. He brought it to him

696
00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:28,920
Speaker 1: and the fact that Jermal was able to make so

697
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:32,000
Speaker 1: many adjustments hold the distance, not fold when the fight

698
00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:34,760
Speaker 1: got rough, and is the perfect embody it in my

699
00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:39,479
Speaker 1: mind in a classic historic division of the balance between speed,

700
00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:44,120
Speaker 1: sized power, athleticism IQ boxing ability all that raf he

701
00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:46,920
Speaker 1: finally has the stamp at one sixty that he was

702
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:48,920
Speaker 1: the guy he was at fifty four. I don't see

703
00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:50,800
Speaker 1: how you can hold. I don't see how you can

704
00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:54,160
Speaker 1: have a top ten without either Charlo basically at eleven

705
00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:55,120
Speaker 1: or ten or right there.

706
00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:56,400
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying, Well.

707
00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:59,520
Speaker 2: That is correct, But my friend, you picked the wrong Charlo.

708
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:03,520
Speaker 2: Look I may I think I agree with you overall that.

709
00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:08,600
Speaker 2: Who do I think deep in my boxing soul is

710
00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:11,319
Speaker 2: the better fighter and he and he man was that

711
00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:17,800
Speaker 2: important performance against der Ianchenko impressive last month? But Brian

712
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:19,560
Speaker 2: here or was it earlier this? I don't even care

713
00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:23,359
Speaker 2: when it was. But Brian, you can't you can't you

714
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:27,120
Speaker 2: said you said earlier resume gets you on the list. Well,

715
00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:30,879
Speaker 2: just that one really good win and the earlier win

716
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:33,200
Speaker 2: against Jay Rock Williams. All right, that's pretty good.

717
00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:36,640
Speaker 4: But compared to his twin brother, Jamal has such.

718
00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:40,560
Speaker 2: A better resume, has like many many good wins, more belts.

719
00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:43,520
Speaker 2: He's he's earned it right now, and I think Jamal

720
00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:46,000
Speaker 2: probably will go on to be better. Honestly, I don't

721
00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:48,520
Speaker 2: even see how the way he looked against darvian Chenko.

722
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:50,759
Speaker 2: I was thinking about this, I don't even know how

723
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:53,400
Speaker 2: you go about beating Jamal Charlow right now.

724
00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:56,160
Speaker 1: But exactly like when he says I'm the best millalweight

725
00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:57,600
Speaker 1: in the world and obviously would love to see him

726
00:34:57,600 --> 00:35:00,719
Speaker 1: against Canelo, he might not be wrong, and part of

727
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:02,080
Speaker 1: that is because we don't know if Canelo is still

728
00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:04,440
Speaker 1: in the middle. Waight. Another thing is I gotta see Canelo

729
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:06,320
Speaker 1: beat him now, you know, I gotta see it happen.

730
00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:08,440
Speaker 1: I gotta see it. And don't discount the cor bumpin

731
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:13,080
Speaker 1: all right, drunk, yeah, but he was. He was tough

732
00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:15,640
Speaker 1: that night. The difference right now, real quick, I think

733
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:20,000
Speaker 1: Jermel doesn't project himself the best he can be because

734
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:22,200
Speaker 1: he's too in love with head hunting and it lowers

735
00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:25,520
Speaker 1: his punch output. And even though he dominated Banana Rosario,

736
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:29,280
Speaker 1: had that fight on the distance, the punch separation between

737
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:31,400
Speaker 1: them would have been so wide. All right, So we

738
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:33,480
Speaker 1: gotta we gotta, you know, we gotta keep going here.

739
00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:37,879
Speaker 1: Here we go, sliding on from here. Number nine tail

740
00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:40,480
Speaker 1: Femo Lopez Junior. I've seen people have him as high

741
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:42,319
Speaker 1: as four five or six nine.

742
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:45,080
Speaker 4: Okay with you, Well, I think he should be higher.

743
00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:47,000
Speaker 2: I think I in my I think I understand how

744
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:50,080
Speaker 2: you're doing it, but I would have him above wherever

745
00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:53,200
Speaker 2: I put Lomotanko on, putting him one above Lomotanko.

746
00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:56,239
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, we move on from there, and look, I

747
00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:58,759
Speaker 1: gotta see. Maybe we see a rematch and maybe it'll

748
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:01,920
Speaker 1: be more competitive, or maybe he Chocolatito's him like SSR

749
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:04,399
Speaker 1: in the rematch. I don't know. We'll find out. On that.

750
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:08,000
Speaker 1: Number eight, Tyson Fury. Now, look, I'm always the guy

751
00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:10,640
Speaker 1: who doesn't put a heavyweight to my top ten unless

752
00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:15,520
Speaker 1: they really, really really are dominant mixed with have such

753
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:17,480
Speaker 1: a good ability in the ring, typically as a boxer,

754
00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:20,680
Speaker 1: like I thought Lennox Lewis was top ten right because

755
00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:23,440
Speaker 1: he could do everything. I didn't think Vladimir Klitchko was

756
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:25,360
Speaker 1: in a lot of ways, because in the mythical mindset

757
00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:27,440
Speaker 1: of your head, if you put him in there against

758
00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:30,400
Speaker 1: a guy more skilled from a lower way class in

759
00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:33,640
Speaker 1: the mythical division, they're gonna beat him. I think Tyson

760
00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:35,680
Speaker 1: Fury is special. I think he belongs in here right now.

761
00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:36,960
Speaker 4: He is special.

762
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:40,799
Speaker 2: I still Tyson Fury is the fighter that convinced me

763
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:44,799
Speaker 2: to take heavyweights out of my list, because he just

764
00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:47,040
Speaker 2: it just blows the whole thing up right. Now, here's

765
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:50,719
Speaker 2: the only here's the big flaw that we already see

766
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:54,279
Speaker 2: coming with the Brian Campbell list. It's that you have

767
00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:58,880
Speaker 2: two fighters ranked above guys who you don't think or

768
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:02,520
Speaker 2: we already know wouldn't they wouldn't beat in their own divisions.

769
00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:06,040
Speaker 4: You have Usik over Tyson Fury. We think that we

770
00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:07,719
Speaker 4: probably would favor Fury in that fight.

771
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:11,400
Speaker 2: And I love me some some Alexander Usik. I I

772
00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:14,440
Speaker 2: have six kebabs in my house.

773
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:17,080
Speaker 4: I love him, but I don't I don't I wouldn't

774
00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:18,600
Speaker 4: pick him over Fury at this time.

775
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:22,160
Speaker 2: Likewise, we just saw lo Matenko fail his own test

776
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:25,360
Speaker 2: making against Lopez and how you gonna have both of them.

777
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:29,440
Speaker 1: Ahead, I'm gonna counter you. Usik did his pound for

778
00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:33,959
Speaker 1: pound work at cruiserweight. He only has one heavyweight fight

779
00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:36,480
Speaker 1: and you can't really count that in the equation because

780
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:38,920
Speaker 1: he fought a Chaz Witherspo and he fought you know

781
00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:42,560
Speaker 1: and nobody. So we're still judging him on the cruiserweight

782
00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:45,160
Speaker 1: until he shows up at heavyweight against Shasora. If he

783
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:47,239
Speaker 1: don't look good, if he ain't a real heavyweight, he's

784
00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:49,840
Speaker 1: gonna slide. So right now, he's still the guy that

785
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:53,680
Speaker 1: beat double Kebab on his own tell you BC on

786
00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:56,720
Speaker 1: the call, gotta keep moving here, all right? Uh number

787
00:37:57,080 --> 00:38:00,239
Speaker 1: seven Manny pak Yao. Normally after a year year of

788
00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:02,399
Speaker 1: an activity, we pull guys from the list, that's the rule.

789
00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:04,719
Speaker 1: If you don't have a fight schedule. The COVID blew

790
00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:07,920
Speaker 1: everything up there. But I don't know if he's injecting

791
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:09,920
Speaker 1: his calves. If he is, keep doing it, because what

792
00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:12,560
Speaker 1: he did against Keith Thurman last July, he still he

793
00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:13,560
Speaker 1: still got it.

794
00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:14,719
Speaker 4: He deserved to be there.

795
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:17,400
Speaker 2: I think, look, I would listen to an argument taking

796
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:21,120
Speaker 2: him off, because when we do, we actually expect him

797
00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:23,640
Speaker 2: to be in a meaningful fight again whenever. No, if

798
00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:25,680
Speaker 2: he's trying to make a fight with Connor McGregor, that's

799
00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:27,360
Speaker 2: not a real fight. And then he might retire with

800
00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:28,319
Speaker 2: this boatload of money.

801
00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:29,600
Speaker 4: And that's it theory.

802
00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:33,320
Speaker 1: Real quick, this is not based on connections news breaking.

803
00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:35,320
Speaker 4: Can tail femal go up and fight Manny?

804
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:38,040
Speaker 1: I would love that on that that's the tail fight

805
00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:39,640
Speaker 1: I want and need. People are like, can we make

806
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:41,839
Speaker 1: it happen with Haney? I don't know, right, I don't know.

807
00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:43,600
Speaker 4: No, they can't. It ain't happening.

808
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:48,279
Speaker 1: Probably not so Loma rematches is a good chance. He

809
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:50,040
Speaker 1: also good chance he moves up to one forty and

810
00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:51,919
Speaker 1: they say, why are we gonna f roun with Wilma again?

811
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:54,120
Speaker 1: Maybe that wizard could figure this out. I don't know.

812
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:56,759
Speaker 1: Nanny is the fight to make, but real quick, h

813
00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:59,480
Speaker 1: Dana White is you know he's constantly threatening to announce this.

814
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:02,160
Speaker 4: What if you know here's another one I want. I'm

815
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:03,120
Speaker 4: sorry to I'm.

816
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:05,359
Speaker 1: Talking to this man like I'm talking man all right,

817
00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:08,000
Speaker 1: all right? Ana said he got a big announcement coming.

818
00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:11,120
Speaker 1: We know he wants to make Manny Connor. We know

819
00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:15,080
Speaker 1: Manny just officially signed with Connor's management team. I'm wondering

820
00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:19,400
Speaker 1: if Dana's big four a big announcement. What if he

821
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:21,760
Speaker 1: got Mikey Garcia, who tends to be a free agent,

822
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:23,960
Speaker 1: and matched him with Manny. That's a fight we kind

823
00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:26,080
Speaker 1: of almost saw happen a lot over the last year.

824
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:28,880
Speaker 1: We know both our free agents. What if that's the

825
00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:32,360
Speaker 1: fight Dana's looking to do. If that's your ZUFA boxing launched,

826
00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:35,960
Speaker 1: you could do a lot worse right, If that's actually pretty.

827
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:37,640
Speaker 2: It'll be all downhill after that, but a ZUFA boxing.

828
00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:39,680
Speaker 2: But if they can make that fight happen, I'd love

829
00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:40,160
Speaker 2: to see it.

830
00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:40,760
Speaker 1: Oh.

831
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:43,000
Speaker 4: I also wanted to say I would even be down

832
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:46,000
Speaker 4: for Tayo Fima Lopez to go up and fight Terrence Crawford.

833
00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:49,000
Speaker 4: All Right, he already put his balls on the line.

834
00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:51,400
Speaker 4: He could keep doing it.

835
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:53,480
Speaker 1: It would be like Shane Mosley moving up two divisions

836
00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:56,000
Speaker 1: in viting Oscar. It would be wild. But he's balls.

837
00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:57,640
Speaker 1: We know that. I don't know how much longer he

838
00:39:57,640 --> 00:40:00,360
Speaker 1: can make thirty five. I got Alexander Usik number for

839
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:03,600
Speaker 1: all the reasons we mentioned number five Vasili Lomachenko, and

840
00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:05,160
Speaker 1: I'm showing him a lot of respect for that, I

841
00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:07,319
Speaker 1: know it. Here's the top four, and again I think

842
00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:10,120
Speaker 1: this top four, it literally could be in any order

843
00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:13,000
Speaker 1: raf although I think a lot of people are disrespecting

844
00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:15,520
Speaker 1: Big Red right now. For me, it's number four, Aero

845
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:20,400
Speaker 1: Spence Junior, number three, Terrence Crawford number two, the Japanese

846
00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:24,160
Speaker 1: Monster in Iowa, A New A, and then Canelo number one. Quickly.

847
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:25,799
Speaker 1: I'll tell you the reason why I put a New

848
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:29,759
Speaker 1: A above both the welterweights is because Spence has a

849
00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:31,560
Speaker 1: lot of explaining to do. Although we don't judge your

850
00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:34,560
Speaker 1: pound for pound on how we think you may not

851
00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:38,520
Speaker 1: look when you come back right, But Crawford, I'm sorry,

852
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:40,680
Speaker 1: like he just doesn't have the resume. It's just not

853
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:43,080
Speaker 1: enough elites there. You go blow a B and B

854
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:45,600
Speaker 1: plus all day. There just ain't no elites there. So

855
00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:50,200
Speaker 1: if I'm fine tuned, find comb comparing. The Japanese Monster

856
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:52,840
Speaker 1: keeps moving up way and wait and keeps sending dudes

857
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:55,959
Speaker 1: to hell. And he did survive no Needo, Okay, Jaron's data.

858
00:40:56,120 --> 00:40:59,640
Speaker 1: He did survive him. So a New A is number two.

859
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:01,879
Speaker 1: And if you don't have Canlo number one right now,

860
00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:03,680
Speaker 1: I got a problem with you.

861
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:08,600
Speaker 2: Ran It hurts me to agree with you on that

862
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:12,879
Speaker 2: because I have I've been trying to stop Canelo from

863
00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:16,200
Speaker 2: being as great as he has been through my voodoo

864
00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:19,480
Speaker 2: dolls and everything else. I've got Jobu cooking up in

865
00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:22,560
Speaker 2: one locker. I've got the woman from March for Death

866
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:26,560
Speaker 2: to It, putting out, putting out cigars on the other side,

867
00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:29,759
Speaker 2: and the man just keeps on performing. I was even

868
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:33,160
Speaker 2: the Canelo pick. It's tough because that's the guy who

869
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:36,399
Speaker 2: I know you have scored to at least two maybe

870
00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:39,400
Speaker 2: three fights against, So there's this side of you was like, yeah,

871
00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:41,640
Speaker 2: he does have the best resume, but I don't even

872
00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:43,480
Speaker 2: think he won all the fights that he has on

873
00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:44,080
Speaker 2: his resume.

874
00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:46,160
Speaker 1: I held it against him for a while. I scored

875
00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:48,840
Speaker 1: trout against him. A few people did. I scored Laura

876
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:51,759
Speaker 1: against him. Half the people did. I scored triple G

877
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:55,160
Speaker 1: against them both times. And I scored the Danny Jacobs

878
00:41:55,239 --> 00:41:57,279
Speaker 1: fight a draw, which people thought I was losing it.

879
00:41:57,280 --> 00:41:59,120
Speaker 1: It's good that was close fight in a close fight,

880
00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:03,560
Speaker 1: close fight. It's just he's now he's now embodying pounder pound,

881
00:42:03,560 --> 00:42:07,040
Speaker 1: winning titles at sixty eight seventy five. So at this point,

882
00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:11,560
Speaker 1: his adjustments, his growth, his everything. Ray Canelo is the

883
00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:13,560
Speaker 1: best fighter in the world at this moment. If you

884
00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:15,480
Speaker 1: have Crawford, I'm not going to kill you. If you

885
00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:16,840
Speaker 1: have a new way, I'm not going to kill you.

886
00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:19,919
Speaker 1: Spence is also in that discussion. But I'm glad as

887
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:21,520
Speaker 1: a Ginger. And by the way, I thought you were

888
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:23,600
Speaker 1: a jacket there said said.

889
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:28,040
Speaker 2: It says he nebra he nebrang he nebra Phenoy.

890
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:30,920
Speaker 1: I thought that it was, you know, ginger friendly, and

891
00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:32,560
Speaker 1: I know that it's something that you shy away from,

892
00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:33,560
Speaker 1: but the women like that.

893
00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:36,399
Speaker 4: Ray, I do like ginger. I do.

894
00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:38,799
Speaker 3: I love ginger.

895
00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:46,680
Speaker 1: Right? Really? What you like, Buddy? I like money Cowboy,

896
00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:49,400
Speaker 1: Carl the Ginger coming back on the tank, Davids undercart.

897
00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:52,520
Speaker 1: We gotta wrap this soon. But any any major differences

898
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:54,160
Speaker 1: in your list to mine that you want to bring

899
00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:55,960
Speaker 1: up that? How did you do?

900
00:42:56,560 --> 00:42:57,360
Speaker 4: Instead? Brian?

901
00:42:57,400 --> 00:43:01,200
Speaker 2: I want to throw a hypothetical at you, because there's

902
00:43:01,239 --> 00:43:04,520
Speaker 2: another fight coming up on the horizon very near uh

903
00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:08,600
Speaker 2: that has the potential to further blow up pound for

904
00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:10,479
Speaker 2: pound lists, and I hope this isn't the case.

905
00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:11,720
Speaker 4: It's not what I want to see.

906
00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:19,680
Speaker 2: But in the chance that Aerol Spence isn't himself anymore

907
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:23,759
Speaker 2: after in his first fight back from that horrifying car

908
00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:26,280
Speaker 2: crash that he was in after.

909
00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:28,280
Speaker 4: Going out, Yeah, all that stuff, no seatbelt.

910
00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:31,200
Speaker 1: If Danny Jacobs's thing comes back and he gives it

911
00:43:31,239 --> 00:43:32,480
Speaker 1: to Spence, is that where you're going with this?

912
00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:34,840
Speaker 2: Well no, that's why I look, Spence is not the

913
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:38,680
Speaker 2: same fighter and he loses to Danny Garcia. How much

914
00:43:38,719 --> 00:43:41,000
Speaker 2: credit does Danny Garcia get? Does Danny Garcia get to

915
00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:42,799
Speaker 2: go into the pound for pound list? But if we

916
00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:45,840
Speaker 2: clearly see that Aerol Spence was not the Errol Spence

917
00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:48,080
Speaker 2: of old, it's a it's a real boxing.

918
00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:50,200
Speaker 4: Isn't a pickle with that one?

919
00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:51,240
Speaker 3: That's Danny.

920
00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:53,600
Speaker 1: It is Danny's knight. I mean believe that. I've got

921
00:43:53,640 --> 00:43:55,520
Speaker 1: a lot of sound drops to tell you about Danny,

922
00:43:55,600 --> 00:44:01,520
Speaker 1: but uh, you know, and yeah, yeah, he's got to

923
00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:03,200
Speaker 1: show off that night, win or lose. He's got to

924
00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:05,200
Speaker 1: show up. And if and if he does and Danny wins,

925
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:05,960
Speaker 1: Dany's gonna.

926
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:06,120
Speaker 4: Get the credit.

927
00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:09,000
Speaker 1: Dany's great. People forget this. People forget because of the

928
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:12,920
Speaker 1: goonies and the stupid masks and the si Angie twins,

929
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:16,280
Speaker 1: and the Jerry picking and the Salka fight and the

930
00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:17,560
Speaker 1: Martin Mauricio Hurra.

931
00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:19,680
Speaker 4: Times he got beat by a couple other guys.

932
00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:22,319
Speaker 1: Ron Pierson beat him, right, we saw that, We saw that,

933
00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:26,279
Speaker 1: you know, it did exist. Yeah, there's there's potential to

934
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:28,160
Speaker 1: shake it up. That's what we want. That's what we want.

935
00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:30,719
Speaker 1: We want the ship to be shaken. Okay, we're Canelo's

936
00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:33,520
Speaker 1: your king right now, that's what it is. Rafe. The

937
00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:35,319
Speaker 1: more that these days go on and we're gonna wrap

938
00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:38,160
Speaker 1: in a second, I want to see Lomachenko Lopez too.

939
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:43,200
Speaker 1: I want to see what happens if Lomachenko starts as daring,

940
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:47,200
Speaker 1: not recklessly daring, but smart daring earlier and let's let

941
00:44:47,239 --> 00:44:50,560
Speaker 1: let's say he believes his figure something out right, it

942
00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:52,560
Speaker 1: does increase the odds that he gets stopped. And again

943
00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:56,040
Speaker 1: maybe he does like chocolate Chino, so you know, source

944
00:44:56,120 --> 00:44:59,719
Speaker 1: to get so or so or rat guy uh part

945
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:04,440
Speaker 1: two or maybe Lomonchenko wins. I mean, I think it

946
00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:08,160
Speaker 1: was a unique enough fight where it's not out of

947
00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:10,680
Speaker 1: the questions, probably the biggest money fight for both. I

948
00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:12,520
Speaker 1: just wonder again, if your team Lopez and you look

949
00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:14,799
Speaker 1: at you go it's not worth it.

950
00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:18,120
Speaker 2: Well, I don't know if it's not worth it. Look,

951
00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:20,680
Speaker 2: they don't lack for confidence. I think that if that's

952
00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:24,520
Speaker 2: the best opportunity they have early next year, and you know,

953
00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:27,920
Speaker 2: Lomachenko will once again be coming off of a shoulder surgery,

954
00:45:28,040 --> 00:45:30,919
Speaker 2: so maybe that makes him just as easy to beat

955
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:33,560
Speaker 2: for for Lopez, I don't know, but I would look,

956
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:36,160
Speaker 2: I would be happy with that rematch because, like I

957
00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:38,160
Speaker 2: just it is interesting to me. I do want to

958
00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:42,120
Speaker 2: see what would happen if Lomachenko starts to fight early,

959
00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:44,600
Speaker 2: does not wait, does not play it safe.

960
00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:45,880
Speaker 4: I want to see him go for it.

961
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:47,719
Speaker 2: You know, we talk about daring to be great, and

962
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:50,800
Speaker 2: Lomachenko has done that over the course of his career

963
00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:54,600
Speaker 2: in a lot of ways. But in this situation, it

964
00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:56,920
Speaker 2: seemed like he saw something he didn't like and he

965
00:45:57,000 --> 00:45:57,640
Speaker 2: shied away.

966
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Speaker 4: And I don't know if that's I don't I was disappointed.

967
00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:02,560
Speaker 4: I wanted the same way.

968
00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:06,239
Speaker 2: I was disappointed when Triple G really didn't use much

969
00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:08,320
Speaker 2: more than his jab, couldn't pull the trigger on the

970
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:10,799
Speaker 2: right against Canelo in the first fight, even though I

971
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:11,840
Speaker 2: scored it for Triple G.

972
00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:15,359
Speaker 4: I was disappointed he didn't take more chances. And that's

973
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:17,640
Speaker 4: easy to say. I'm not in there taking fire back

974
00:46:17,640 --> 00:46:18,840
Speaker 4: from Lopez and Canelo.

975
00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:22,080
Speaker 1: But and you ain't trying. I'm gonna be honest here,

976
00:46:22,120 --> 00:46:23,920
Speaker 1: I say, if you ain't, if you ain't willing to

977
00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:27,080
Speaker 1: risk being knocked out to try to win, and you

978
00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:29,239
Speaker 1: ain't trying. Now, Looma did do that in the second half,

979
00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:30,920
Speaker 1: you gotta do it earlier. Do I believe that in

980
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:34,760
Speaker 1: my heart? All right? Thank you very much. Please continue

981
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:38,080
Speaker 1: to contribute. I mean sorry, patronize and follow the Morning

982
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Speaker 1: Combat crew and all we do on the skinhead side,

983
00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:42,520
Speaker 1: on the box side. This guy Rafe and I we're

984
00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:44,440
Speaker 1: gonna keep doing this all right, the boxing hardcore. We're

985
00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:47,319
Speaker 1: not regular fans, Okay, we are two hot men. We're

986
00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:49,600
Speaker 1: gonna keep giving it to you, tackling the big topics,

987
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:53,239
Speaker 1: coming in in and out, just like college. Right. I

988
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992
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993
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994
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