Speaker 1: Welcome to NFL Daily, presented by Draft Kings Sportsbook, where
Speaker 1: we never designed bad concepts or bad plays. Here in
Speaker 1: the Chris Westling Podcast studio. Very excited to be joined
Speaker 1: as always on the preview show by Patrick Claibon and
Speaker 1: fresh from London, not feeling any jet lag. Doesn't even
Speaker 1: need makeup. It's Steve Wish he's back.
Speaker 2: I just did my own.
Speaker 1: Really, you put a little powder on yourself.
Speaker 2: I'm a little dusted up. That's that's nice. That's a
Speaker 2: vet move.
Speaker 1: I don't know how to do that. It's good to
Speaker 1: have you back, though, Steve. But you were saying you felt,
Speaker 1: you felt good, you felt fresh. You were there for
Speaker 1: a couple weeks over there. Any any takeaways?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I mean, Line is one of the greatest
Speaker 3: cities in the world to talk about your Patriots.
Speaker 2: I got a good takeaway on them, Okay.
Speaker 3: I will say Tod Mayo was spot on with his
Speaker 3: assessment of the way his team is playing.
Speaker 2: But otherwise the weather was good. I mean everything was great, okay.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you had your your lovely wife there and
Speaker 1: it was it was a whole thing.
Speaker 3: Good seeing you, Patrick. You should have seen Rosie on
Speaker 3: the motorcycle.
Speaker 2: Did you see the picture? No, I didn't. Rosie got
Speaker 2: Rosie was riding shotgun.
Speaker 3: Yeah, motorcycle from the stadium to the Sky Sports studio.
Speaker 1: Weave in and out, you had their traffic.
Speaker 2: You had like the dudes show up.
Speaker 1: And he was like they had like an uber or
Speaker 1: a driver. Yeah for yeah, And they they brought me
Speaker 1: a little jacket. Someone said, I looked like I was
Speaker 1: like his like kept you know, boyfriend or something in
Speaker 1: the back, just standing just sitting there with my jacket
Speaker 1: and holding out of the handles.
Speaker 2: But uh, it's not a bad thing to be. I mean,
Speaker 2: you know, a to be quick in a hurry. He
Speaker 2: got there.
Speaker 1: So this this week's a little different were we we
Speaker 1: got our regular crew back, but we've also got like
Speaker 1: we're back in like week two, Week three. There's no buys,
Speaker 1: there's no doubleheader, there's no international game. We're just we're
Speaker 1: like raw dog in fourteen games on Sunday.
Speaker 2: Here we go.
Speaker 1: We're going for it. And yes, of course smallest the
Speaker 1: biggest spread this week.
Speaker 2: And we start with a game that we have not
Speaker 2: seen in the NFL.
Speaker 4: Jalen Hurts and the Philadelphia Eagles against Joe Burrow and
Speaker 4: the Cincinnati Bengals, who are a two point favorite.
Speaker 2: The over under forty eight.
Speaker 4: It's gonna be a game on CBS with Ian Eagle
Speaker 4: and Charles Davis on the call.
Speaker 2: These two met and the College Football Playoffs to be final.
Speaker 4: Back in twenty nineteen, world that All World LSU team
Speaker 4: absolutely blew out Oklahoma. We haven't seen Joe against Jalen
Speaker 4: greg and now we get a chance to see it.
Speaker 4: Where the Cincinnati Bengals are almost five hundred on the year.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's such a big game in their season.
Speaker 1: They're at home. When you looked at this stretch of games,
Speaker 1: it was a bunch of winnable games for the Bengals
Speaker 1: and then this one was kind of the coin flip
Speaker 1: type of game. But if you can get it, you
Speaker 1: have the Raiders next week and you could suddenly be
Speaker 1: five and four before a monster game against Baltimore the
Speaker 1: rematch there, which it just sets up their whole season.
Speaker 1: It's interesting to me that this game was moved. This
Speaker 1: was actually the four to twenty five game, and we're
Speaker 1: talking Jalen Hurts and Joe Burrow, and it got moved
Speaker 1: a little disrespectful to these two guys, But it's it's
Speaker 1: because these teams have been a little inconsistent. Obviously, the
Speaker 1: Bengals were won in four a couple of weeks ago.
Speaker 1: Their offense is in a little bit of a slump
Speaker 1: now too, which I like. It's the type of time
Speaker 1: of the season, Steve, where you start wondering, like what
Speaker 1: streaks matter, because if you just looked at the last
Speaker 1: two weeks, if the last two weeks were actually weeks
Speaker 1: one and two, where you start to form these narratives,
Speaker 1: here's what we would be saying about these two teams.
Speaker 1: I don't know what's up with the Bengals offense this year, Like,
Speaker 1: you know, just like averaging under two three hundred yards,
Speaker 1: not throwing the ball well at scoring fourteen seventeen points
Speaker 1: last week. And how about that Eagles defense, Like they're
Speaker 1: getting tons of sacks, they're shutting teams down. So like
Speaker 1: narratives can change in a hurry. The Eagles defense playing
Speaker 1: well lately, the Bengals offense not. I don't know if
Speaker 1: I quite believe that, or do you believe what you
Speaker 1: saw the first month of the season.
Speaker 2: I believe I saw the first month of the season.
Speaker 3: However, I think the Bengals are starting to play the
Speaker 3: type of football they need to play to get back
Speaker 3: into the playoff mix. When you look at the AFC, like, okay,
Speaker 3: who's gonna be a wild card? Because you've got a
Speaker 3: handful of teams that look good. But I think the
Speaker 3: way the Bengals are playing, like see, they're not that
Speaker 3: great on offense, but they're not killing themselves, right, They're
Speaker 3: playing better on defense. But I don't I don't love
Speaker 3: this matchup because and Patrick and I were talking about
Speaker 3: this earlier. Their run defenses isn't great in the front
Speaker 3: seven they've been and Saquan is killing it right. Saquan
Speaker 3: has run the ball well. The Eagles identity now seems
Speaker 3: to be run first. You know, they're they're they're kind
Speaker 3: of figuring things out a little bit. But this, I mean,
Speaker 3: I think the two points is good here. To me,
Speaker 3: I'm really like, hmmm, I would probably favor the Bengals
Speaker 3: just because they're at home and that that quarterback, I mean.
Speaker 2: B is just right now. I think he's well, he's
Speaker 2: been good for almost the whole year.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think he's been the problem. I did
Speaker 1: want to ask Patrick, though, do you think Saquon Barkley
Speaker 1: will try as hard this week, though now that he's
Speaker 1: not going to it's you.
Speaker 4: Know, it's gonna be tough to summon that motivation in
Speaker 4: a guy who's traditionally a good football player when he's
Speaker 4: not playing against his former team. We are joking to
Speaker 4: anybody just joining us for the first time ever. You know,
Speaker 4: it's fun to discuss narratives and revenge games. So I
Speaker 4: think Saquon tries hard against a lot of people, which
Speaker 4: is a problem here for the Cincinnati Bengals, because I
Speaker 4: did want to see and Steve and I were talking
Speaker 4: about this earlier before we got started on the show.
Speaker 4: The Bengals the worst success rate run defense in the NFL,
Speaker 4: and so I was like, well, they are playing a
Speaker 4: little bit better now defensively. So I took out the
Speaker 4: first four weeks. If I take out the first four weeks,
Speaker 4: they're number two in terms of the worst. The Saints
Speaker 4: will be the worst, and they the second worst team
Speaker 4: in the NFL in terms of success rate against the run.
Speaker 4: And it's tough for me to come into this game
Speaker 4: seeing what Saquon did against the Giants, knowing the connection
Speaker 4: with AJ Brown and Jalen Hurts. It's a very difficult thing,
Speaker 4: and Nixonani's on the road, so he doesn't have any
Speaker 4: home fans to yell.
Speaker 1: That's a really interesting point because that doesn't go with
Speaker 1: my eye test, which is like, Okay, they get rankings back,
Speaker 1: they get bj Hill back, and they just okay, you
Speaker 1: have your players back, you look like a better defense.
Speaker 1: The eye test, to me is more worried about the
Speaker 1: Eagles offense in this matchup. That hurts. It's just been
Speaker 1: a weird season, and yeah, aj Brown comes back and
Speaker 1: is reminding me why he's right there in terms of
Speaker 1: first team all players. He can stay healthy like he
Speaker 1: is the offense, everything just goes to him and that's enough.
Speaker 1: He's just winning one on one matchups and maybe you
Speaker 1: can keep doing that, but that's a tough way to live. Hurts,
Speaker 1: holding the ball like an extra beat doesn't look totally comfortable.
Speaker 1: Like every week or two, it seems like the offense
Speaker 1: kind of changes and it's static. I do like some
Speaker 1: of the changes they made on defense. Cooper Dejean's playing well,
Speaker 1: Nolan Smith is playing well for them, So it's a
Speaker 1: fun matchup. I'm assigning myself this game early Sunday morning. Sorry, Patrick,
Speaker 1: you don't get this game.
Speaker 4: Oh no, oh man, Well, okay, I like this game too,
Speaker 4: but I'm glad it will get the full analytical experience
Speaker 4: of the beautiful mind of one Greg Rosenthal. We had
Speaker 4: a beautiful game of football going on on Thursday night football.
Speaker 2: People sleep on Thursday night football a while back.
Speaker 4: And then the Falcons and the Tampa Bay Buccaneers come out,
Speaker 4: and it's a calculator game. Points points, points, and here
Speaker 4: we are a few weeks later, Atlanta a two and
Speaker 4: a half point favorite on the road against Tampa Bay
Speaker 4: because Steve a couple devastating into was one of them,
Speaker 4: absolutely catastrophic to Chris Godwin, who's going to be done
Speaker 4: for the remainder of the season. Over under forty six
Speaker 4: out of the mean and g Reg on the call.
Speaker 4: Can Tampa survive without its two top tark.
Speaker 3: You know, this is interesting to me because Atlanta the
Speaker 3: last couple of weeks, I don't know what they are.
Speaker 3: I mean, they're not a great defensive team, so yes,
Speaker 3: Tampa's going to be without their top two wide receivers.
Speaker 3: But Atlanta's not great stop in the run. They're not
Speaker 3: extremely physical team. Up front.
Speaker 2: This could be a big Kate Otten game. Is my guy?
Speaker 1: He is I didn't know.
Speaker 2: Guy.
Speaker 3: He's He's done good things for me, you know, And
Speaker 3: I want to call on Kate He's he's he makes
Speaker 3: it happen.
Speaker 2: Yes, he was. It's a tough that what it is.
Speaker 1: I thought it was.
Speaker 2: He's not give me rides on motorcycles or anything.
Speaker 1: I heard. He's like, I'm not. I can't pretend that
Speaker 1: I've been breaking down his blocking, but he's getting some
Speaker 1: pop as like a nice blocker in the Running game too.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So, but just Atlanta just played so bad. I mean,
Speaker 3: they just slept walk against Seattle. I think they'll come out.
Speaker 3: This is gonna be a tough game. Two point five.
Speaker 3: He is the right number. I want to go Atlanta
Speaker 3: in this one. But there, man, they're just kind of
Speaker 3: all over the place right now. They're really hard hard
Speaker 3: to pay.
Speaker 1: Liam Cohen's done a fantastic Yeah, there were guys open
Speaker 1: for Baker Mayfield to find. Baker Mayfield is unpredictable, mostly good,
Speaker 1: but then can just be terrible, make some terrible decisions,
Speaker 1: and you just wonder what it's going to be like
Speaker 1: without Godwin and Evans you got Jalen McMillan, who hasn't
Speaker 1: done a lot so far as a rookie. You've got
Speaker 1: Trey Palmer. This is really going to test their offense.
Speaker 1: That said, this is kind of the perfect matchup to
Speaker 1: start to try to do that. The Atlanta Falcons have
Speaker 1: six sacks this season. Aiden Hutchinson had that in like
Speaker 1: one game. I mean, they are blitzing at the tenth
Speaker 1: highest rate and yet they have the worst pressure percentage
Speaker 1: in the entire league. The Matthew Judon trade I hit
Speaker 1: on this on our last show, has not worked out.
Speaker 1: He kind of looks done.
Speaker 2: He can set the edge, he.
Speaker 1: Kind of looks done as a pass rusher though, and
Speaker 1: so like, I actually think that the scheme and the
Speaker 1: structure and the offensive line, especially for the Bucks, has
Speaker 1: really been playing well that they're still going to be
Speaker 1: able to score a bunch of points. This is a
Speaker 1: really big game actually in determining who's going to win
Speaker 1: this division. I hate that this game is so soon
Speaker 1: right after the other one. I know it's tough putting
Speaker 1: together to schedule, but these are the two biggest games
Speaker 1: in the NFC South all season, these two games, and
Speaker 1: they're done for the year now, like Atlanta could be
Speaker 1: in a really great spot if they win this game.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and this has been where the Atlanta kind of
Speaker 4: wasted a rushing game last week against the Seattle Seahawks
Speaker 4: where you leave in the first half and Tyler Algiers
Speaker 4: over nine yards of carry. Bijon is over seven yards
Speaker 4: of Carrie in that game against the Seahawks, but the
Speaker 4: defense really couldn't do anything, and a lot of it
Speaker 4: was because Gino was playing at maximum Geno maxim geen
Speaker 4: and if you cannot get pressure on Geno Smith with
Speaker 4: a full contingent, as DK had that touchdown late in
Speaker 4: the second half, late in the end of the first
Speaker 4: half where Geno fires an absolute rifle, if you can
Speaker 4: get a look at the reverse angle on that one,
Speaker 4: go ahead and find it because it was a missile.
Speaker 4: It's just it's difficult to imagine Jalen McMillan, late stage
Speaker 4: sterling Shepherd for the Buccaneers having that type of performance.
Speaker 4: Know again, MVP Baker, maybe maybe that's died down a
Speaker 4: little bit much to your.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I was, I was tweeting at you while
Speaker 1: he was like just self imploding in the middle of
Speaker 1: that game.
Speaker 4: But those are things that come with pressure, and the
Speaker 4: Ravens defense summoned some of that. It's just it's rough
Speaker 4: for the Buccaneers. And I'll hop on a quick, quick
Speaker 4: soap box because we're morning. Chris Godwin's lost for the
Speaker 4: rest of the season. But you can compliment a wide
Speaker 4: receiver without insulting the entire position group. I'm so sick
Speaker 4: of somebody saying, well, Chris Godwin's not a diva, like
Speaker 4: a shut up, cut that out, please. I'm like, anytime,
Speaker 4: like a Larry Fitzgerald or Julio Jones, or anytime any
Speaker 4: of these guys come up, we have to demean the
Speaker 4: entire position group with this gendered insult.
Speaker 2: That's so stupid and backwards.
Speaker 4: And I know anybody says that isn't going to listen
Speaker 4: to anything I say because it's a particular type of person.
Speaker 4: But shut up. I'm sick of it. Just give a
Speaker 4: guy a compliment, no backhanded compliments.
Speaker 2: Stop it.
Speaker 1: I can't improve on that. I mean, that is absolutely fantastic.
Speaker 1: Hot Glendon is gonna get that treatment at.
Speaker 2: Some point the time. It's gonna happen all the time,
Speaker 2: just like one day I'll be dead and.
Speaker 4: Somebody's gonna be like, well, I didn't agree with everything
Speaker 4: he said, but shut up. Just don't say anything about
Speaker 4: put me in the ground. Keep my name out your mouth. Anyway.
Speaker 1: It's a great it's a great lesson as as an adult.
Speaker 1: Don't don't slide in the little backhanded thing before we
Speaker 1: move on for this game. That was just tough to
Speaker 1: move off of that. Kirk Cousins can't move and I
Speaker 1: just keep wanting a camera that home. He like can't move,
Speaker 1: he's not moving. I think it's amazing how productive they are.
Speaker 1: I actually give Kirk a lot of credit. He's a
Speaker 1: one of the most underrated natural throwers of the ball
Speaker 1: over the last twenty years. Just a really like he
Speaker 1: can spin it and they're scheming around it, and the
Speaker 1: run game is still somehow working even though he can't move.
Speaker 1: But he really can't move. So I kind of like
Speaker 1: the Bucks as a home home underdog. I don't know
Speaker 1: why I've been so down on this Falconcy and the
Speaker 1: Bucks defense has tons of issues too, so I don't
Speaker 1: feel great. I don't feel very confident, but I kind
Speaker 1: of like the Bucks. Actually, to surprise some people telling you,
Speaker 1: Kate Otten, let's go. The Kate Otten game last week
Speaker 1: was too.
Speaker 2: I noticed she kept his name out of It's your mother.
Speaker 1: No, no, keep him there. I mean, Chris Godwin is
Speaker 1: the one that got hurt, but Kate Atton was the
Speaker 1: guy during that whole eight minutes. Because I was screaming
Speaker 1: during the whole eight minutes. So it's forty one to eighteen.
Speaker 1: I was like, why are they out there? Kate Atton
Speaker 1: took about five different shots to his neck and his
Speaker 1: back and his head, and he just kept getting up
Speaker 1: and getting those fantasy points.
Speaker 4: So that's what that's what Kate Oughten does. He goes
Speaker 4: to work for Steve's fantasy football team, a game we
Speaker 4: were looking forward to for weeks and now we have
Speaker 4: to keep an eye on the injury report because it
Speaker 4: is the number one overall pick and Caleb Williams and
Speaker 4: the Chicago Bears two and a half point favorites. At
Speaker 4: the Washington Commanders where we are waiting news on the
Speaker 4: rib of Jade and Daniels, dan Quinn said the practice
Speaker 4: field is the next step for him. We want to
Speaker 4: make sure he can fully express himself and do all
Speaker 4: the things he does on the field and be quote
Speaker 4: fully turned up shout out to Derek yeah for saying
Speaker 4: that a v either Mark I did.
Speaker 1: He is definitely the uh the Steve BISHEMI why am
Speaker 1: I blanking on? You know, the saved by the ballist.
Speaker 1: Hello fellow Hello, fellow kids. Satan turns up. Sorry, I'm like, hello,
Speaker 1: fellow kids. Trying to come up with that.
Speaker 4: No, I think I think d Q is is legit.
Speaker 4: But the question is, Steve, do we feel confident if
Speaker 4: they have to play Markus Marito who played goods or well,
Speaker 4: excuse me good Uh?
Speaker 3: No, I don't. I don't feel confident if they got
Speaker 3: to go with Marcus now.
Speaker 1: Put up forty. Okay, it was against the Panthers.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, look, the Bears defense is legit. We
Speaker 3: saw them, Greg, we saw them against Jacksonville. You know,
Speaker 3: to take take apart a very bamboozled Jaguars team over
Speaker 3: in London. But the defense, the up front, I mean,
Speaker 3: they can pursue. You talk about hunters at the first
Speaker 3: the first two levels of that defense. They have guys
Speaker 3: who can really get after it. They you know, they're
Speaker 3: they're good. They they allow for good coverage. They're schemed
Speaker 3: up well by eber Flus. I mean look, Washington, I
Speaker 3: love the fact that Brian Robinson's workhorse. I mean he
Speaker 3: can he can run the football, and I think they're
Speaker 3: going to keep on drilling it and drilling it to
Speaker 3: keep the ball out of Marcus's hands. The one reason
Speaker 3: why I like Chicago in this game, I think they're
Speaker 3: starting to find their stride offensively when the last two
Speaker 3: games they've played, when they go up tempo or no huddle,
Speaker 3: that's what clearly when Caleb feels himself. You saw that again,
Speaker 3: we saw over in London. We saw that the week
Speaker 3: before when they went no huddle up Temple. Look at
Speaker 3: this he's got all day. Oh let me just throw
Speaker 3: it to a wide open Cole Comet. It's you know,
Speaker 3: I just think they're really starting to figure out who
Speaker 3: and what they are.
Speaker 2: I spoke to one of their coaches before the game
Speaker 2: in London.
Speaker 3: He's like, I think we think we know what the
Speaker 3: kid likes, and part of that is the up tempo,
Speaker 3: and we saw we've seen him run at two games
Speaker 3: in a row. Now, Washington and dan Quinn won't be
Speaker 3: caught off guard about that by that. But I really
Speaker 3: like the way the Bears are playing.
Speaker 1: I am so disappointed. If Jaden Daniels doesn't playing this game,
Speaker 1: he might You mentioned Patrick everything dan Quinn said. Now,
Speaker 1: we don't know if that's him trying to make the
Speaker 1: Bears prepare for both options. He didn't practice on Wednesday,
Speaker 1: but you would think if you can get him back
Speaker 1: later in the week than he would play. So we
Speaker 1: just don't know. This was the game that replaced Bengals
Speaker 1: Eagles in this national spot, and it'd be really cool,
Speaker 1: sort of not a coming out party, but the first
Speaker 1: big time game for these two teams, with them like
Speaker 1: with solid winning records, they're both trying to get to
Speaker 1: the playoffs. When Washington is throwing the ball, it is
Speaker 1: the second most efficient passing attack in the NFL, Washington
Speaker 1: Commanders versus the second best pass defense Chicago Bears. So
Speaker 1: that's just strength on strength. You want to see that matchup.
Speaker 1: But to your point about Brian Robinson, it's better to
Speaker 1: just run at the Bears if you can. And so
Speaker 1: if it's Mariota or if it's Jayden Daniels, they're going
Speaker 1: to really try to get that running game going because
Speaker 1: I think that's just the safer way to play against Chicago.
Speaker 1: They're just so good in the secondary, so good that
Speaker 1: it's tough to earn a living passing against them all game.
Speaker 4: And you have to think are coming off the buy,
Speaker 4: they'll be a little healthier as well. I know they
Speaker 4: were dealing with some injuries on the back end, and
Speaker 4: understandably this Commander's defense. Statistically things have looked a little
Speaker 4: bit better, but the personnel hasn't necessarily changed, right, so
Speaker 4: how much do we really believe in improvements over there
Speaker 4: on that side? Going up as a good offense that
Speaker 4: looks it looks a lot better right now, It's it's tough.
Speaker 3: I will I will say this though the Commander's up front,
Speaker 3: those inside linebackers Bobby Wagner and Frankie Luvu are spectacular.
Speaker 3: I mean they are playing elite level football. So again,
Speaker 3: you know, I don't know if Chicago's run the ball
Speaker 3: look like they have the past two games, but if
Speaker 3: Jayde and Daniels does play, I think that this makes
Speaker 3: it more interesting because you can even even though Marcus
Speaker 3: can bounce it outside the pocket, he's he's not Jayden.
Speaker 3: I don't think he's you know, he's definitely not the
Speaker 3: deep ball thrower throw where Jayden Daniels is. I mean,
Speaker 3: he's a checkdown guy, but Jane Jayane plays is.
Speaker 2: Gonna be fun.
Speaker 1: You know, he was a little more aggressive than than
Speaker 1: we've seen from old Marcus last week. Again, take a
Speaker 1: picture of that. But I know, okay, yeah, wow, I
Speaker 1: would think, you know, as as like a trustee of
Speaker 1: the Polynesian Hall of Fame, I would think you'd be
Speaker 1: a little more generous Marcus.
Speaker 3: There's tape Steve's football first.
Speaker 1: What we see enough of them? I mean, I love like,
Speaker 1: I love them. I remember the first time I've ever
Speaker 1: been to Hawaii. Marcus's pictures are all over the bank everywhere.
Speaker 1: He is like a hero to the Hawaiian people. And
Speaker 1: and you're just.
Speaker 2: Seen enough film. He's been replaced by He's been replaced
Speaker 2: by Tua. The pictures are Tony.
Speaker 1: Romo gets this game though.
Speaker 2: I like this.
Speaker 1: We need new quarterbacks to kind of make Tony Romo
Speaker 1: feel a little more alive. I think he's better in
Speaker 1: these sorts of games. He's sick of the Chiefs too.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And it gives us an idea because of course
Speaker 4: there's a lot of conversation. These guys are going to
Speaker 4: constantly be compared to one another and if Jayden plays,
Speaker 4: perhaps Tony Romo will contextualize what we're seeing on the field.
Speaker 2: Just like that.
Speaker 4: That's what we need and we kind of, you know,
Speaker 4: get the voice intonation based on the grunts, the guttural
Speaker 4: feelings of one Tony Romo.
Speaker 2: Folks, you know what, Tom, it is. It's time for
Speaker 2: the Game of the Week preserved by Draft Games.
Speaker 4: The Buffalo Bills are a three point favorite at the
Speaker 4: Seattle Seahawks. Seattle, who went to Atlanta and put up
Speaker 4: a ton of points forty six and a half is
Speaker 4: the over under Kevin Burkhardt, and Tom Brady gets to
Speaker 4: see a couple of good quarterbacks in this one. Greg
Speaker 4: in Gino going up against this Bill's defense and the
Speaker 4: offense now has Amari Cooper about.
Speaker 1: The Yeah, I might have to take this game too.
Speaker 1: This is my super Bowl pick Buffalo to win the
Speaker 1: Super Bowl this year. And then, of course my Seahawks
Speaker 1: big trade today. Seattle sent Jerome Baker, who had been
Speaker 1: disappointing for the Seahawks to Tennessee for Ernest Jones, who
Speaker 1: you might remember just got traded to the Titans two
Speaker 1: months ago, and they also get a fourth round pick
Speaker 1: in the deal. The Titans do. So the Titans can
Speaker 1: look at it like, we got a couple months of
Speaker 1: Ernest Jones and we just upgraded our pick from a
Speaker 1: fifth to a fourth, and we have Jerome Baker on
Speaker 1: our team. Maybe he fits better.
Speaker 2: Didn't they get a sixth with Jones?
Speaker 1: Yeah, so they did a like all the nerds like me,
Speaker 1: like you just look at like the business that they
Speaker 1: did and you're like, well, that was a pretty good flip,
Speaker 1: Like they flipped Ernest Jones and they got a lot
Speaker 1: out of it. That said, Ernest Jones is the better
Speaker 1: player in this deal. And Seattle has major issues at
Speaker 1: the linebacker position that they believe Ernest Jones would be
Speaker 1: a good fit in helping them. And so I'm all
Speaker 1: for them being aggressive and trying to help a defense
Speaker 1: that I think has potential to be really good because
Speaker 1: the front we saw it against Atlanta, they just got dudes.
Speaker 1: Byron Murphy is a dude. He had some big time plays.
Speaker 1: Derek Hall is my kind of outside edge guy like
Speaker 1: a Jadavian Clowney, or when Marcus Davenport's good. Just there's
Speaker 1: just so strong.
Speaker 2: The four games Marcus played.
Speaker 1: Wow, Okay, yeah, they're just so strong I like having
Speaker 1: one of those guys going today, one of those guys
Speaker 1: boy mafia. Yet maybe you are feeling the jet lack
Speaker 1: because this is like this is like tired, salty weis.
Speaker 1: But okay, they needed some help at linebacker. They got some.
Speaker 1: I like the move.
Speaker 3: Yeah, look this to me, I look at this. This
Speaker 3: is kind of an identity crossroads for both teams. You
Speaker 3: really have winning records, they haven't really haven't beaten any
Speaker 3: strong teams. Like the strong teams both have played have
Speaker 3: put it on them. You know Seattle, of course Atlanta
Speaker 3: if you want to consider them.
Speaker 2: A strong teams.
Speaker 1: That was their best game.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was the best game they played. So I
Speaker 3: think the winner of this kind of lets us know. Okay,
Speaker 3: this is another team to keep an eye on. We've
Speaker 3: been high on both of these teams, but again they're
Speaker 3: still working through things a little late in the season
Speaker 3: for a lot of these teams, and I think this
Speaker 3: is kind of a league wide.
Speaker 2: Ordeal.
Speaker 3: I like Seattle in this game. I like the way
Speaker 3: they played. I think Gino, the way he played and
Speaker 3: the way this offense game up to get one on
Speaker 3: one matchups against Atlanta, Like we're seeing right there.
Speaker 2: I think they can do that against the Bills.
Speaker 3: So as long as they can protect a little bit,
Speaker 3: I think Seattle has a real good shot to knock
Speaker 3: off Buffalo here.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the pressures are going to be the issue in
Speaker 4: this game. We've seen how Greg Russo as well as
Speaker 4: the rest of the pass rushers for Buffalo, Ed Oliver
Speaker 4: being a key aspect of that as well. You gotta
Speaker 4: get pressure on Gino otherwise, I think the secondary has
Speaker 4: so many spots where Gino can exploit it.
Speaker 2: We saw them really just relying on.
Speaker 4: The pass rush to deal with the Jets offensively because
Speaker 4: Garrett Wilson was getting open yes on every single play.
Speaker 4: And I've wondered about the athleticism back there in the
Speaker 4: secondary for the Bills all the time.
Speaker 2: But is Boye Mafe right? Is that enough?
Speaker 4: Can they get the pressure on Josh Allen because we've
Speaker 4: been waiting right for the good Josh Allen games and
Speaker 4: we've got a couple of them back to back. The
Speaker 4: first half was nuts against the Tennessee Titans, where you're
Speaker 4: looking up it's like, oh, Mason Rudolph is out playing
Speaker 4: Josh Allen.
Speaker 2: Well, then the second half comes and all I gets
Speaker 2: wiped away.
Speaker 4: They score thirty four on answered points, and I just
Speaker 4: I'm gonna need to see it from both of these teams,
Speaker 4: which makes it a difficult game to pick because it's
Speaker 4: like what team, what team are we getting here?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I lean Bills because I do think that pass
Speaker 1: rush will get after Gino and DK Metcalf right now
Speaker 1: looks unlikely to play. And I think you said it, Patrick,
Speaker 1: that's where the Seahawks would have to win, would be
Speaker 1: in the secondary and DCAF he just changes the math
Speaker 1: for you, or they're just not nearly as scary without
Speaker 1: DK Metcalf. But Ken Walker is a really improved player.
Speaker 1: It's fun. I believe in both these teams. I think
Speaker 1: the Seahawks are gonna evolve as over the course of
Speaker 1: the season, and Mike McDonald will have that defense playing
Speaker 1: better towards the end of the year. And I already
Speaker 1: know what their offense is. I think it's good. And
Speaker 1: the Bills. The Bills are balanced. Don't sleep on the Bills.
Speaker 1: You're saying I'm not seeing more. I'm not seeing right there.
Speaker 1: I mean I should say the Ravens and the Chiefs
Speaker 1: are at one level and the Bills would be right now,
Speaker 1: right behind them.
Speaker 2: They're right there.
Speaker 3: But like Patrick said, you can't both these teams are like, Okay,
Speaker 3: let's take the mask off, right. Okay, they've beaten they've
Speaker 3: beaten the teams that they should be. Okay, they've played
Speaker 3: a cliche season so far, and Buffalo is a strong
Speaker 3: football team, well coach football team, and Amari Cooper is
Speaker 3: really going to help them, right, But let go to
Speaker 3: Seattle and win that ball game. And I think, you know,
Speaker 3: it's not like I don't believe, but I think this
Speaker 3: is something where Okay, now, let's start knocking off some
Speaker 3: quality football teams.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm looking at Dalton Kincaid maybe in this game
Speaker 1: against some of those linebackers and maybe the safeties at safety.
Speaker 1: I've liked what I've seen out of Dalton, Ca and Cad.
Speaker 1: I like what I see out of the rest of
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Speaker 1: Wis it's not spy spicy. You know who else was
Speaker 1: cranky this week talking to the media to a tongue
Speaker 1: of Ioloa. I've never seen that side of Tua.
Speaker 4: Yeah, is back, and he's back at the podium, and
Speaker 4: he's he's lashing out, not really to it, explaining his
Speaker 4: decision process with regards to the Guardian helmet and we'll
Speaker 4: see how things go. He's you know, he's done the
Speaker 4: judo everything else to dry.
Speaker 1: Not happy with some of the media and some of
Speaker 1: the media attention, which I get.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, look and people have been saying for
Speaker 3: weeks he shouldn't play, he shouldn't come back, he shouldn't
Speaker 3: do this.
Speaker 2: You know, He's probably like, it's it's my because you've.
Speaker 3: Heard himself, it's my choice, personal choice, personal choice, over
Speaker 3: and over. So when people were asking about his health,
Speaker 3: and players don't like talking about their health, especially if
Speaker 3: they fall into the injury prone category. So that might
Speaker 3: be why Tua was a little bit, you know, bucking
Speaker 3: up against some of those guys and right from to
Speaker 3: his point of view, one hundred percent of the players
Speaker 3: in the NFL have brains and skulls on the outside
Speaker 3: of those brains, and this is an issue that everybody
Speaker 3: has to deal with, and perhaps he will prefer it
Speaker 3: be a conversation not about to a tongue of bailoa,
Speaker 3: but maybe about the game as a whole.
Speaker 4: As we get to the Arizona Cardinals against the Miami Dolphins,
Speaker 4: who are three and a half point favorites, mainly because
Speaker 4: the gentleman that we were just discustling is finally bad
Speaker 4: for them. Arizona gets a win on Monday Night football
Speaker 4: against one of the best defenses in the NFL in
Speaker 4: Jim Harball's Los Angeles Chargers, Greg Jason Benetti and Mark
Speaker 4: Schlareth on the call a few weeks ago when he
Speaker 4: said this game state, now we've got stake on the call.
Speaker 2: How do you feel that's awesome? Well done.
Speaker 1: I'm into it because I do find the Cardinals a
Speaker 1: compelling weekly watch. Not sure what I'm getting out of them,
Speaker 1: but Kyler Murray is always fun. And then Tyreek Hill,
Speaker 1: I got to admit to a being so salty. Some
Speaker 1: reports that he looked very sharp at practice. Tyreek Hill
Speaker 1: is saying on Wednesday, where back Baby, strike up the
Speaker 1: f and band start me this week to his fantasy owners,
Speaker 1: you gotta put that on Fantasy Live. Like he's just
Speaker 1: saying to is all we need and he kind of
Speaker 1: makes me believe it. I don't know if it's fair
Speaker 1: to the backup quarteracks. How reliant this system is, that
Speaker 1: maybe it's not good that McDaniel's built it in such
Speaker 1: a way no one can come in and run the
Speaker 1: offense that they run, because that was not the Dolphins
Speaker 1: offense that we saw over the last month. They're not
Speaker 1: even doing the motions. They're not doing anything other than
Speaker 1: throwing the ball to John new Smith and running the
Speaker 1: ball pretty well. But that running game makes me think, man,
Speaker 1: this Cardinal's defense is so overmatched talent wise that I'm
Speaker 1: kind of buying what they're selling that maybe they just
Speaker 1: put up a thirty five point effort and we all
Speaker 1: feel better about the Dolphins.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Look, I mean, I don't think it's necessarily the backup
Speaker 3: quarterback are you know? This is where the GM is like, Okay,
Speaker 3: we're gonna come in and put it Snowpuntley in. You know,
Speaker 3: you have to be better prepared knowing that you've got
Speaker 3: a quarterback who's had the issues that he's had. I
Speaker 3: think two coming back does change things. I mean it's
Speaker 3: such an energy boost because people had life without Tua
Speaker 3: and it didn't work out well. I mean they haven't
Speaker 3: scored more than twenty points since what the week one victory,
Speaker 3: you know against Jacksonville.
Speaker 1: Even that one they had like three a half.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean that wasn't good. So I like Miami
Speaker 3: in this game. I think is just going to be
Speaker 3: a motivational boost all around. But I will say this
Speaker 3: about Arizona. James Connor is like every year when he
Speaker 3: is healthy, it's like, we do not give this guy
Speaker 3: enough love.
Speaker 2: He is a damaging player. He's a monster near the
Speaker 2: end zone.
Speaker 3: You know, this is one whereas exciting as a big
Speaker 3: play might be for Miami, they just got to keep
Speaker 3: the ball away a little bit from Arizona good here
Speaker 3: and having kind of this churn ball game with Connor.
Speaker 4: Well, that's the place where I've been having a success
Speaker 4: picking the Arizona Cardinals here in the past few weeks.
Speaker 4: Is the way that this defense has issues is giving
Speaker 4: up the big play. And here come Tyreek Hill and
Speaker 4: Jalen waddle Back with their quarterback with the opportunity to
Speaker 4: make some big plays against this Arizona Cardinals defense, where
Speaker 4: if they're in a game where you're trying to go
Speaker 4: three or four yards in a cloud of dust, like
Speaker 4: a Greg Roman team might be inclined to do, then
Speaker 4: they can have a little more success. And the Dolphins
Speaker 4: without Tua have the fewest completions of twenty or more
Speaker 4: are yards this season. I understand that they didn't start
Speaker 4: that well, but a lot of teams have slow starts.
Speaker 4: We celebrate Joe Burrow and the Bengals starts every single season.
Speaker 2: I think Tua can get it together against this team.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Tyreek also said about his connection with to it
Speaker 1: was so beautiful. I cheese man on my face just
Speaker 1: felt so good. Y'all. Don't know what it does to
Speaker 1: me if I'm tired. Yeah, snep Huntley listening to this,
Speaker 1: that's not making you feel good, you know, to a personally. Yeah,
Speaker 1: what do you think this challenge and everything's been like
Speaker 1: for him?
Speaker 3: Well, well, look it's you know, it's like he said
Speaker 3: when we talked about his people, I've spoken to near him.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: He said, even that evening, you didn't see any signs,
Speaker 3: like any symptoms or whatever of the concussion.
Speaker 2: That he went through. It is a personal choice.
Speaker 3: Because people who play football right now, they get hurt,
Speaker 3: they bounce back right away. It's twenty or thirty or
Speaker 3: forty years down the line a lot of times when
Speaker 3: the things really don't show up. And I can tell
Speaker 3: you this, and I've spoken to Earl Campbell, we know
Speaker 3: how broken down the Hall of Fame running back is.
Speaker 3: He said he wouldn't trade a thing for the glory
Speaker 3: of playing football that brought him. I guarantee you about
Speaker 3: ninety nine point five percent of NFL players, no matter
Speaker 3: what they're going through, will tell you the same thing.
Speaker 1: The one thing you worry about that I thought watching
Speaker 1: his press conference was just that they just got to
Speaker 1: be careful because there's been other instances where like the
Speaker 1: Buffalo game a couple of years ago, he didn't really
Speaker 1: report his you know, they need to protect him from
Speaker 1: himself because he had a comment. The thing that worried
Speaker 1: the one comment in the press conference that I thought
Speaker 1: was objectable was just, well we should let he essentially
Speaker 1: said what players have said forever. It's like players should
Speaker 1: get to decide when they play, and he would like
Speaker 1: he was treating it like it was another injury like I,
Speaker 1: you know, I have the best feeling of when I
Speaker 1: should play or not, and so they just got to
Speaker 1: make sure to have an eagle eye there and save him,
Speaker 1: save him from himself. And I don't think he'll get
Speaker 1: hurt in this game. What go ahead to?
Speaker 3: I mean, there's this thing that Mike McCarthy told me
Speaker 3: years ago when he was the head coach of the Packers.
Speaker 3: It's the can you sleep at night rule if you're
Speaker 3: a coach or an organization and you have a player
Speaker 3: who gets hurt. And this is when Jermichael Finley had
Speaker 3: a significant neck injury, and he said, we can sleep
Speaker 3: at night when he's not on the field. If we
Speaker 3: put him back on the field, I don't know how
Speaker 3: well we would sleep. And that's the deciding factor. So
Speaker 3: if too were to get hurt again, that's what the
Speaker 3: Dolphins is. An organization, like you said, may have to
Speaker 3: step in and say okay.
Speaker 1: Jermichael Finley, in my mind, is famous for being the
Speaker 1: first player to force me to stand on an Apple
Speaker 1: box when I interviewed him, because that man was just
Speaker 1: so tall and they were like, sorry, bro, you really
Speaker 1: got to stand on this box there shout out to
Speaker 1: NBC Sports Network back in the day. I just wanted
Speaker 1: to mention Dennis Gardick, the pass rusher for the Cardinals,
Speaker 1: is out for the season, has a torn acl We
Speaker 1: did not know that at all on Monday night. Here
Speaker 1: are four different players that are out for the season
Speaker 1: from the Cardinals, which would not believe to have a
Speaker 1: really talented front to begin with. Dennis Gardeck bj Ojilari,
Speaker 1: who is going to be a breakout type of player,
Speaker 1: Justin Jones ballall Nichols, and their first round pick Darius
Speaker 1: Robinson hasn't played. So they remind me a little bit
Speaker 1: of the Patriots, where not the most talented team in
Speaker 1: the world to begin with, and they've really been devastated
Speaker 1: with injuries. So that's just unfortunate for them.
Speaker 4: Yeah, tough situation, especially on the road at Bamory this week,
Speaker 4: trying to get that figured out.
Speaker 2: Another team going on the road after getting a.
Speaker 4: Home win in the Winter Warning Game, the Green Bay
Speaker 4: Packers a four point favorite at the Jacksonville Jaguars, who
Speaker 4: got another win in London against the New England Patriots.
Speaker 2: Forty nine and a half.
Speaker 4: The over under Kenny Albert and Jonathan Vilma on the
Speaker 4: call Steve as the Boomer busts green Bay Packers offense
Speaker 4: with Jordan Love either scoring a touchdown or the tournament ballover.
Speaker 3: What are they going to do in Jacksonville this, Yeah,
Speaker 3: I'm surprised his number is only four. I mean, I think,
Speaker 3: I guess the folks who set this line really liked
Speaker 3: what they saw to Brian Thomas in the Jaguars offense,
Speaker 3: which they should. I mean, I think the offensive line
Speaker 3: played well against the Patriots. Tank Bigsby is their best
Speaker 3: running back, Travis Atn as a starter because you could
Speaker 3: do certain things in the past game. But their defense
Speaker 3: man you could scheme them up. You could scheme them up,
Speaker 3: and Matt Lafleur is one of the best players. Oh yeah,
Speaker 3: I just think Now here's one thing I'll here for
Speaker 3: jackson But the Foyer lucun comes back. The linebacker, they
Speaker 3: missed him right, there's a lot of communication issues on
Speaker 3: that side of the ball.
Speaker 2: If he's back, he can fix that. That will help.
Speaker 3: But I just think, again, you can scheme up some
Speaker 3: things against this defense where Green Bay can put a
Speaker 3: lot of points on the board.
Speaker 1: We've got an injury update here, Travis Etn and Foy
Speaker 1: Lukhan both returned to practice in a limited fashion.
Speaker 2: One.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that's that's a positive. They're They're going to
Speaker 1: be missing Cam Robinson likely, but they have a pretty
Speaker 1: good backup at left tackle in Walker Little. This is
Speaker 1: the first game so far that I've thought maybe survivor Yeah,
Speaker 1: here we're back.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Because Okay, you saw the Jaguars week after week and
Speaker 1: Steve you were kind of a supporting actor Starr here
Speaker 1: in the Jaguars London trip. Because that first halftime interview
Speaker 1: with Doug Peterson.
Speaker 2: Well he was a little, a little unhappy. He was
Speaker 2: a little he was a much saltier than I've been.
Speaker 1: I heard someone say, I really want to credit who
Speaker 1: this was that don't worry about Yeah, don't worry about
Speaker 1: the Jaguars quitting on Doug. I think Doug might be
Speaker 1: quitty on the Jaguars. He looked so unhappy.
Speaker 2: Was a little little upset, but much.
Speaker 1: Happier after a great second quarter. That said defensively, yeah
Speaker 1: you said boom or bust. I hear you, Patrick, But
Speaker 1: man that in aggregate, it's booming. Business is booming for
Speaker 1: this Packers offense, good offensive line. Jacobs is great, the
Speaker 1: receivers are all popping. Jordan Love is the most confident
Speaker 1: quarterback on planet Earth. He believes he can make any
Speaker 1: throw and he does. So I feel pretty good against
Speaker 1: maybe the worst defense in the league right now in Dboa.
Speaker 2: Oh wait, wait to get to your page.
Speaker 1: Okay, just by the numbers, DVOA, you've been teasing this
Speaker 1: fourteenth in offense in the league, Jaguars thirty second in defense.
Speaker 2: What'r?
Speaker 4: And Jordan Love has a one hundred and fourteen point
Speaker 4: three passer rating when not blitz this season. So now
Speaker 4: he's going to Jacksonville, where the Jags have blitz at
Speaker 4: the lowest rate in the league. They in twenty twenty four,
Speaker 4: so things could go a different way. Also spotted at
Speaker 4: practice today and commented on by the head coach, Robert
Speaker 4: Salah was helping the offense of the Green Bay Packers today,
Speaker 4: giving them a defensive perspective, watching for Matt Lafleuring company.
Speaker 4: So Bob Saul was up there in Green Bay taking
Speaker 4: things in where things are getting better. Things are getting
Speaker 4: so good. Oh boy, you can have other coaches come in,
Speaker 4: you know. Jeff Hafley got the game ball.
Speaker 3: Im bout to say, I'm glad he's a confident Well
Speaker 3: he looks like he's gouts.
Speaker 1: Well, but they're doing it. I was thinking about that too,
Speaker 1: But they are, Lafleur says, it's on the offensive side
Speaker 1: of the ball.
Speaker 2: Quote for now, it's the same thing that Kyle Shanahan
Speaker 2: is doing with the former head coach with the Chargers.
Speaker 1: Why am I Brandon Stale?
Speaker 2: I think he's doing the same thing he's doing.
Speaker 4: He's getting defensive perspective, a defensive genius, Brandon Staley.
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker 1: By the way, Belichick's done that too, where offense defensive
Speaker 1: guys switched spots sometimes very successful.
Speaker 2: Wes McDaniels is a former defensive.
Speaker 1: Right not why not? Why not bring Bobby Salad back
Speaker 1: in the building? Our friend Jordan rodrig who's loving your
Speaker 1: contributions today by pointing out Frankie Luvu and James Connor
Speaker 1: like two of her favorite players. She famously uncovered that
Speaker 1: they were called the Boys back in the day on
Speaker 1: her podcast that you are also on the play callers
Speaker 1: Robert Salah and Matt Laflair. So the boys reunited.
Speaker 4: Best man in his wedding by the way, just really okay,
Speaker 4: So I didn't know they were that tight that's been
Speaker 4: hanging out?
Speaker 1: Wait, did we decide on the survivor? I'm talking Packers.
Speaker 2: Let's go.
Speaker 1: There are bigger spreads out there, but we're trying to
Speaker 1: be little spice.
Speaker 5: I do.
Speaker 4: I've made several mistakes picking the Jacksonville Jaguars in twenty
Speaker 4: twenty four.
Speaker 1: If you guys, all we gotta do is get to win.
Speaker 1: We don't even got to cover that that spread, but
Speaker 1: I think they will all right.
Speaker 2: A couple of teams that need wins.
Speaker 4: On Sunday Night Football, the Dallas Cowboys at the San
Speaker 4: Francisco forty nine ers or were four and a half
Speaker 4: point favorites. They just lost Brandon Ayuk for the season,
Speaker 4: Deebo Samuel just getting out of the hospital with a
Speaker 4: respiratory illness where he had fluid in his lungs.
Speaker 2: Over unders forty six and a half.
Speaker 4: Of course, Mike Turrico, Chris Collinsworth on the call, Greg
Speaker 4: the Cowboys coming off of buye, the owner, coach going at.
Speaker 2: It, media quotes, everything's great in Arlington.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's start there. Because for the twenty years i've
Speaker 1: covered the NFL in some capacity, I've never heard a
Speaker 1: team owner say that his coach is designing bad plays
Speaker 1: and bad concepts publicly. Let's listen. Mike McCarthy was asked
Speaker 1: about that on Wednesday.
Speaker 5: Uh, you know, I talked to Jerry all the time.
Speaker 5: You know, we've we've had time to go through the
Speaker 5: self scout, so I can't really I didn't see the
Speaker 5: comments specifically, so, but I don't think.
Speaker 2: We have bad honshepts in bad place. But I'll go
Speaker 2: back and check.
Speaker 5: But we want to be I mean, that's clearly and
Speaker 5: that ultimately is my responsibility, and I'm fully aware of that.
Speaker 5: But you know, we were very diligent.
Speaker 1: Shout out to Mike McCarthy beautiful if you could watch
Speaker 1: on YouTube his face added to it, he's I gotta
Speaker 1: admit he is the right man for this job. It
Speaker 1: is tricky to be the Dallas Cowboys head coach and
Speaker 1: being that position, and the way he laughed that off.
Speaker 1: I'm sure he's maybe feeling a little differently inside, but
Speaker 1: I think actually that is the right way to handle it.
Speaker 1: Otherwise you'd go crazy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean sometimes sometimes you have to laugh to
Speaker 3: keep from crying. And I think that's where he was
Speaker 3: right there.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh. I mean when Jerry said that.
Speaker 3: When Jerry said that, look he's designing bad plays and that,
Speaker 3: I'm like, dude, this guy's been designing the same offense
Speaker 3: that's been winning you twelve games the past couple of years.
Speaker 3: Maybe that running back you couldn't afford Derek Henry, who
Speaker 3: you also said, wouldn't have had this type of success
Speaker 3: in Dallas. That's a self damnation. You can't say them,
Speaker 3: I agree with you. The funny thing, agree correctly, right,
Speaker 3: he wouldn't because this is a mess. This is a mess,
Speaker 3: So it would be much better to be I just
Speaker 3: want to put out it would be much better with yeah,
Speaker 3: because I mean the defense. Defenses have to actually, you know,
Speaker 3: concern themselves with a running game. Which is why I mean, look, Dallas,
Speaker 3: I think this is a Jordan Mason game all day.
Speaker 3: I think San Francisco's gonna be run football, you know,
Speaker 3: because their situation is George Kittle. Of course you're gonna
Speaker 3: give him some attention. So Kyle Shanahan will find some
Speaker 3: other ways. Maybe Ricky Piersoll gets going in the receiving game.
Speaker 3: But there's nothing about Dallas right now that just I mean,
Speaker 3: I know, Ceedee Lamb and dak But right now, I mean,
Speaker 3: this this stuff.
Speaker 2: Going on right here, it's not cute. It really isn't.
Speaker 2: You know. We know how Dallas has fared against the
Speaker 2: forty nine ers.
Speaker 3: They've been tough games, So maybe the four and a
Speaker 3: half is a bigger number than maybe I would welcome
Speaker 3: with this, But I just I just this stuff right
Speaker 3: here just is not good at this point in the
Speaker 3: season for this type of game. I like San Francisco, Yeah,
Speaker 3: with a maybe on Micah and a maybe on Tank Lawrence.
Speaker 2: Yes, in this game.
Speaker 4: And if you're a forty nine ter fan and you
Speaker 4: were concerned with the lack of red zone success against
Speaker 4: Kansas City, you come into this game where Dallas is
Speaker 4: giving up seventy four percent of the time if you
Speaker 4: make it to the red zone against the Dallas Cowboys,
Speaker 4: you're getting in the zing touch like you're giving up touchdowns.
Speaker 4: And they've given up the second most rushing touchdowns in
Speaker 4: the league right now. And that's with the early bye week.
Speaker 4: So like you would have think, you would have thought
Speaker 4: some teams would have come up and gotten closer to Dallas.
Speaker 2: That didn't happen this past week.
Speaker 4: They're just so poor against the run I guess the
Speaker 4: guy in Jordan Mason, who's got the second most yards
Speaker 4: and the second most carries in the league.
Speaker 2: It just feels like it feels like an easy one
Speaker 2: to decide. Greg.
Speaker 1: Yeah, in terms of picking the winner, I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: pick against the forty nine ers. But this isn't the
Speaker 1: forty nine ers. Neither of these teams. They are having
Speaker 1: a good time, and it's partly because of expectations. The
Speaker 1: forty nine er has been so close to winning it all.
Speaker 1: There used to being one of the best teams. So
Speaker 1: when they have these sort of injuries and they're not
Speaker 1: as productive, it's it's a drag, and it's it's the
Speaker 1: same for the Cowboys. Think of how different these teams
Speaker 1: feel than they did going into the playoffs, for instance,
Speaker 1: a year ago. Because party's out there. We don't know
Speaker 1: if Devo's gonna be playing. I know he's got a
Speaker 1: tough man he's got and Jwon Jennings, we don't know
Speaker 1: if he's playing. Brandon Ayuk he was never like the
Speaker 1: full Ayuk this year, but this isn't the same offense.
Speaker 1: Everyone thinks McCaffrey's going to solve everything. He will help
Speaker 1: quite a bit. I don't want to discount that, right,
Speaker 1: but I they're not gonna be last year's forty nine
Speaker 1: ers offense. Just inserting Christian McCaffrey. Brock Purty you're so
Speaker 1: used to if you go to those EPA charts EPA
Speaker 1: plus CPOE and like brock Purty number one by far,
Speaker 1: brock Purty number one by far, even when he's not
Speaker 1: playing well, it's like now he's down there in the
Speaker 1: ten range, and it's just it's just another good offense.
Speaker 1: It's not the forty nine ers offense. So I want
Speaker 1: to believe in a world where Mike Zimmer has a
Speaker 1: future still coaching in the NFL. They had a bye
Speaker 1: week to maybe clean some things up, so maybe they'll
Speaker 1: be a little more sound. I actually tend to think
Speaker 1: this is going to be a very close game.
Speaker 2: It'll be a closer come down to.
Speaker 1: The wire, and I lean forty nine ers, but not
Speaker 1: by a ton.
Speaker 3: And I tell you the Niners defense, I mean, have
Speaker 3: you seen have you seen a game where you're like, man,
Speaker 3: they're back, Like no, they're just they're not up front.
Speaker 2: They're not killing it like they normally do.
Speaker 1: They have a couple outstanding players, but we've learned that
Speaker 1: that's not enough.
Speaker 4: Maybe you know, Far and the coordinator, because they can
Speaker 4: keep the best quarterback we've seen in twenty years from
Speaker 4: winning the Super Bowl.
Speaker 2: Anyway, I don't know, that's a tough one. Leave that game.
Speaker 1: I mean they kept him to what like ten points
Speaker 1: in the first nine possessions or something like that. They
Speaker 1: played well enough.
Speaker 2: They had a third and seven to win the game.
Speaker 1: It was Kyle's offense anyway.
Speaker 4: Right, The Indianapolis Colts at the Houston Texans, who are
Speaker 4: a five point favorite. The over under forty six. Andrew
Speaker 4: Catalan Tiki Barber on the call as the Houston Texans
Speaker 4: had a loss in the closing moments against Green Bay,
Speaker 4: Indianapolis just in an absolute rock fight against Miami, gonna
Speaker 4: go win.
Speaker 2: A Last week, Steve and c J.
Speaker 3: Stroud talking Spicy on Little Spicy CJ CG on Wednesday says, Okay,
Speaker 3: we're gonna get our offensive line issues together. Media, keep
Speaker 3: that same energy that you've been giving us talking about
Speaker 3: how bad they suck.
Speaker 2: So I think there's a little attitude. Little Bobby Slowik's
Speaker 2: been good. Guys fired up.
Speaker 3: Look, I mean, the one thing you know, you play
Speaker 3: Indiana Indianapolis. You know Gus Bradley, he wants his guys
Speaker 3: in front to win without a ton of blitzing. They
Speaker 3: play a lot of his own. I just think Houston's
Speaker 3: gonna is gonna get rolling right here. I think this
Speaker 3: is the their five point favorite. I like him in
Speaker 3: this game. I want TJ to b spicy. I want
Speaker 3: Joe Mixon. I think Joe Mixon can get some ground
Speaker 3: game here too. I think this is a really good opportunity.
Speaker 3: You know, we'll see what their defense, Houston defense can do,
Speaker 3: but it's gonna be tough sledding.
Speaker 1: For the for the Colts offensively, Yeah, the Texans defense
Speaker 1: matchup with the Colts offense is the mismatch in this game.
Speaker 1: And because the Texans offense has been a little disappointing,
Speaker 1: maybe the best they looked all year was actually that
Speaker 1: Week one game against the Colts, So maybe they'll be
Speaker 1: happy to see their their division rival in this game.
Speaker 1: But that Texans defense just better and better, very sound.
Speaker 1: They're they're bringing up guys like Neville Hewitt that yeah,
Speaker 1: and he'll just like step in and make a difference.
Speaker 1: They signed Devin White actually on Wednesday, so that's interesting,
Speaker 1: and I don't think he'll play for them right away.
Speaker 1: But if someone can get consistent playout of Devin White,
Speaker 1: I think it would be Demico Ryan. So that mismatch
Speaker 1: I think for the Colts, it's just hard to believe
Speaker 1: in them. We don't know if Jonathan Taylor is going
Speaker 1: to play this week. He makes such a difference for them.
Speaker 1: But I was thinking about this. I was looking at
Speaker 1: Anthony Richardson's numbers, and he's got some Joe Namath ass numbers,
Speaker 1: like some nineteen sixties AFL numbers, Joe cap number. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Joe Namath went to the Hall of Fame with these numbers.
Speaker 1: That's it would get you there back in the day.
Speaker 1: And what I mean by that is more interceptions than
Speaker 1: touchdowns under fifty percent completion, but like sixteen seventeen yards
Speaker 1: per completion, right eight yards per time. That's how they
Speaker 1: used to play back in the day in the AFL.
Speaker 1: So we're just we're bringing it back to a simpler
Speaker 1: time that people all enjoyed.
Speaker 4: And time will remind us as we look back to
Speaker 4: Week one and we think, like, well, Anthony Richardson played
Speaker 4: all right in Week one. Again, it's to Houston Texans.
Speaker 4: He was nine of nineteen. Albeit those nine completions went
Speaker 4: for two hundred and twelve yard. That's what I'm talking touchdowns,
Speaker 4: including the throw of the year Faden off his back
Speaker 4: foot to to Pierce for that touchdown there. I just
Speaker 4: it's hard to stop believing in what he can be
Speaker 4: because you see it in spots where he's making the
Speaker 4: right decisions with the ball, but the ball will just
Speaker 4: get away with them'll sale it high, it will go
Speaker 4: to the dirt, maybe it's feet, but I just prioritize
Speaker 4: Seve the ability to make that decision, which is the
Speaker 4: hard part for a lot of quarterbacks.
Speaker 2: He's getting that. It's everything else he has to put together.
Speaker 3: By the way, is pierced like the AFC's Rashid Shahid,
Speaker 3: because every time you see him, it is like a
Speaker 3: fifty yard completion downfield all to a more.
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, I cited this stat on Wednesday show
Speaker 1: of average place on the field after three seconds. You
Speaker 1: know how far the receivers are down the field. And
Speaker 1: Alec Pierce leads the NFL. He is the furthest down
Speaker 1: the field. It isn't a surprise like Reggie Wayne has
Speaker 1: been talking him up for years. It's like, I'm telling you,
Speaker 1: this guy is a burner, Berner burner that's gonna have success.
Speaker 1: But he said it's been more of a mental thing
Speaker 1: that he hasn't had the confidence at the pro level
Speaker 1: and now he does. This is a tough secondary though,
Speaker 1: to get it done. Yes, and if you miss a
Speaker 1: throw like they'll catch it. It seems like this Texans defense.
Speaker 1: All right, let's take another break and we're gonna wrap
Speaker 1: up this show after the break with some of the
Speaker 1: bigger points spreads of the week back on NFL Daily.
Speaker 1: And yes, they made a rule that Monday Night Football
Speaker 1: conflect now. Oh, but it's only late in the season
Speaker 1: because I have a feeling Patrick, if they saw the
Speaker 1: way this Giants team was playing and it was December,
Speaker 1: we would not be Giants Steelers on Monday Night for Bay.
Speaker 4: I agree, I agree, But because we are locked in
Speaker 4: at the moment, we will be subjected to Daniel Jones
Speaker 4: and the New York Giants on the road at the
Speaker 4: Pittsburgh Steelers, who are a six and.
Speaker 2: A half point favorite.
Speaker 4: After Russell Wilson was cooking the Jets, especially in the
Speaker 4: second half, the over under thirty six and a half.
Speaker 2: That's a number four.
Speaker 4: You pats a lot of confidence and points to Joe
Speaker 4: Buck and Troy Aikman on the call. But it is
Speaker 4: Dimes on the road, which has meant something this year. Yeah, no, good,
Speaker 4: this is one of these games. I don't think it's
Speaker 4: gonna be an esthetic dandy. You know this is not
Speaker 4: an HGTV game right here.
Speaker 3: Look, you know I'm gonna get to Russell Wilson because
Speaker 3: I know he just looked fantastic.
Speaker 2: He was pushing the ball down the field.
Speaker 3: If Pittsburgh gets that out of him again, I think
Speaker 3: all of us gonna be like, okay, all right, Pittsburgh
Speaker 3: is in this to win this.
Speaker 2: We know that Pittsburgh is Pittsburgh.
Speaker 3: But if Russell plays like this, with that type of
Speaker 3: connection that you're seeing right this, especially why he just
Speaker 3: drove the ball, I mean over and over. Some of
Speaker 3: them were pop flies, as we saw, but his receivers
Speaker 3: made the play. We'll see.
Speaker 2: I don't I don't, I don't know.
Speaker 3: I don't know what we're gonna get out of him,
Speaker 3: which is why I like that thirty six and a
Speaker 3: half over you.
Speaker 1: Know more Everyone's course round him and it was his
Speaker 1: receivers were play making some great for him, and he's
Speaker 1: given them a chance to which is which is important.
Speaker 1: He's not using the middle of the field at all
Speaker 1: that he never has and he's he's made it work.
Speaker 1: He probably will go to Canton one day with it.
Speaker 1: What do you think you see?
Speaker 2: I mean, I think he's there, But I mean these
Speaker 2: past couple of years, you're a vote.
Speaker 1: You're a voter, not a vote. I'm not a selected
Speaker 1: But you're on the show on NFL network.
Speaker 2: I am. Yeah. I don't think.
Speaker 1: How do I get on that show without you know,
Speaker 1: anyone coming off of that show. I want on that show.
Speaker 1: I think i'd be good.
Speaker 3: Well, Greg, you know, the numbers have been dwindling here,
Speaker 3: so uh, I don't get I think there's a good opportunity.
Speaker 1: That's that really into that stuff. Sorry, I've on air.
Speaker 2: There we go.
Speaker 1: Because I think Russell Wilson's an interesting one. Won't be
Speaker 1: your first ballot, That's kind of That's kind of how
Speaker 1: I viewed. I felt different than Roethlisberger, for instance, just
Speaker 1: thinking of another Steeler.
Speaker 4: I felt like when the entire media apparatus turned on
Speaker 4: Russell Wilson for the past couple of years.
Speaker 2: I thought we were out. But you know, if things
Speaker 2: go right, specifically in Pittsburgh.
Speaker 1: No, I actually don't. Well, sure he could help his
Speaker 1: case if he has a nice run, but I my
Speaker 1: expectations are relatively low. I think what he did in
Speaker 1: Seattle has enough to have a pretty good case.
Speaker 2: I would I wouldn't.
Speaker 4: I mean, people like cataloging mundane interactions and discussions about
Speaker 4: high knees on the airplane, and it was just all
Speaker 4: it was all bad.
Speaker 1: It's like, were you a top five quarterback for an
Speaker 1: extended period of time, then you're probably a Hall of Famer.
Speaker 1: It depends how long it is, depends what else you
Speaker 1: did in this matchup. We'll see. The Giants defense can
Speaker 1: do some things. Yes, the Steelers offensive line has been
Speaker 1: better despite being a real mass unit. Are they coming together?
Speaker 1: Because the Giants are playing well up front. Azizo Jalari's
Speaker 1: playing well. You have Brian Burns. We'll see if he's
Speaker 1: healthy enough. Dexter Lawrence is a Defensive Player of the Year.
Speaker 1: Shout out to Drew Phillips, which is one of the
Speaker 1: players that Joe Shane drafted that that has worked out
Speaker 1: for him. He's playing pretty well, so I defensively, I
Speaker 1: think the Giants could give the Steelers a little problem
Speaker 1: and to your point, just muck it up and make
Speaker 1: it kind of an ugly field goal type of game.
Speaker 4: Daniel Jones targeting guys out wide at a career high
Speaker 4: rate right now, I'm looking for a positive dime stet of.
Speaker 3: Pouring him targeting versus completions. Patrick, you left that part up. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it's it's not.
Speaker 4: He's got, you know, three hundred and thirteen yards and
Speaker 4: three touchdowns and the EPA per targets point sixty four.
Speaker 2: When he's targeting a guy outline. Mylage. Neighbors helps that
Speaker 2: a fun to watchmen the league neighbors on.
Speaker 1: Not as fun last week. They were really double teaming.
Speaker 1: And we'll see if it's These are two of the
Speaker 1: teams that have cornerbacks that travel the most with receivers.
Speaker 1: So Joey Porter Junior maybe with neighbors. And then Deontay Banks,
Speaker 1: who will see if he gets benched a little bit.
Speaker 1: You gotta look on your face, Steve Wish No.
Speaker 2: No, I mean I liked the neighbors one, okay, I.
Speaker 1: Thought you were you. Deontay Banks footage where he just
Speaker 1: starts jogging off the field in the middle of a
Speaker 1: play when he had the angle to maybe get Jalen
Speaker 1: Hurts out last week. I've never seen this in my
Speaker 1: entire life. He just started jogging that way and his
Speaker 1: position coach sees him jogging that way and starts chewing
Speaker 1: him out and gesticulating and going crazy while the play
Speaker 1: is happening, and Hurts is just like running by him,
Speaker 1: and I was like, man, you maybe gotta gotta bench
Speaker 1: that dude at that moment, like if he's I don't know.
Speaker 1: It was a kind of a tough moment, and but
Speaker 1: he will be traveling most likely with George Pickens.
Speaker 4: It's a it's a tough situation sometimes when are looking
Speaker 4: over in the offense is doing next to nothing, and
Speaker 4: maybe maybe that that inspires little quit.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they really miss Andrew Thomas, which is not a
Speaker 1: huge surprise, but they're the falloff to them. And then
Speaker 1: now you have to play the Steelers. That's that's bad news.
Speaker 4: The Steelers got to win a last week against the
Speaker 4: New York Jets, who are a seven point being on
Speaker 4: fraud Watch by this particular program from week one. They
Speaker 4: are taking on Greg's beloved New England Patriots and Drake May,
Speaker 4: who was the only thing Greg likes about the Patriots,
Speaker 4: the Overners forty one and a halfs Baroddos Adam Archiletta
Speaker 4: on the call and before Steve it gives us the
Speaker 4: entire rundown of everything that is wrong with New England.
Speaker 2: How do you feel, Greg, I.
Speaker 1: It's that seven point spread. I had not seen that.
Speaker 1: First of all, it's the beloved Boston Celtics. What a
Speaker 1: ring ceremony, that was, what a performance to open the season,
Speaker 1: and beloved Drake May. So yes, I worry for him
Speaker 1: that the coaching staff is not the right one for
Speaker 1: him on offense specifically, and that we're just wasting time
Speaker 1: with this staff, because he's the only thing that really
Speaker 1: matters about this this team right now, said, Okay, matchup
Speaker 1: against the Jets defense that really hasn't played well except
Speaker 1: when they played the Patriots. But I just want to
Speaker 1: hear Steve at this point.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, first off, I disagree with you on
Speaker 3: the offensive coaching staff. I thought the week before when
Speaker 3: the Patriots played Alex van pelt in those in May's
Speaker 3: first start, I thought he's a very creative and a
Speaker 3: very kind of crafty game. I mean, now they were
Speaker 3: behind by twenty points, but I thought his play calls
Speaker 3: were good. Okay, My thing is this with New England,
Speaker 3: Dard Mayo is a truth teller. They I was on
Speaker 3: the sideline for their game against the Jaguars, and they
Speaker 3: were playing soft defensively. You know there they may tank
Speaker 3: Bigsby look like Bo Jackson. Nobody want, nobody wanted any
Speaker 3: parts of him, Like nobody rose up to the challenge
Speaker 3: that contact is a part of the sport. Guys were
Speaker 3: really sidestepping into olaying some tackles, and so I agree
Speaker 3: with him and the thing the Page's defense, like they
Speaker 3: got some guys back. I mean, I love their safeties.
Speaker 3: We know Christian den Zalees is a good player. You know,
Speaker 3: he's he's probably gonna travel with Garrett Wilson. Maybe he'll
Speaker 3: get some on Devata and he doesn't travel exclusively. But
Speaker 3: and the offense, their offensive line just beat up too badly.
Speaker 3: I mean, they've got injuries across the board. Romandre Stevenson
Speaker 3: to he have a running back, and Drake may Is.
Speaker 3: I think he's gonna be a good player. They've got
Speaker 3: to do some things to build around it. But he
Speaker 3: is a talented guy who sees the field, who can run.
Speaker 3: So the cupboard is is not completely bare. I mean
Speaker 3: there are a couple of canned items in there that
Speaker 3: you keep, it'll save.
Speaker 1: Was there anything being there though that you left there?
Speaker 1: Just thinking like this team is a messive specific.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean defensively. I mean again, I was just
Speaker 3: kind of like, what, like, who is going to stand
Speaker 3: up and make a play? Because nobody opted to do that.
Speaker 3: So I think this is a game Mayos called him out. Okay,
Speaker 3: are they gonna get pissed about it or they gonna
Speaker 3: re it? Because challenge you guys manhood and Rod Mayo's
Speaker 3: got Look he's a former player who didn't sit out games.
Speaker 2: You know he enjoyed the contact. So we'll see if
Speaker 2: it works.
Speaker 3: Because if they don't believe in the coaching staff, like
Speaker 3: you don't believe in the offensive coaching staff, then guys
Speaker 3: aren't going to step up. But I think it because
Speaker 3: they're playing the Jets, they'll be better. I mean, I
Speaker 3: don't like the seven in this game. I don't like
Speaker 3: the Jets being favored by seven in this game. I
Speaker 3: think it's going to be a tighter game than this.
Speaker 3: I think the Jets win, but I don't like the
Speaker 3: seven here.
Speaker 1: The players have mostly or not, the players have had
Speaker 1: drive Mayo's back publicly. They said, well, he said that
Speaker 1: to us first, which is I actually it's funny, but
Speaker 1: it's also the way to do it, like, don't call
Speaker 1: him soft in the media. If you hadn't called him
Speaker 1: soft to their face, I guess he had already done that.
Speaker 1: They were like, oh, yeah, he go already called the soft.
Speaker 1: So there was actually a report in Boston on Wednesday
Speaker 1: that he won't even have his job. It's not credible
Speaker 1: at all, but it's just crazy that that's already being
Speaker 1: out there. I don't think that would be the case,
Speaker 1: but I do. I do worry on offense that they're
Speaker 1: just spinning their wheels, and every different receiver at different
Speaker 1: points have had little comments where they're just not happy
Speaker 1: about things, like kJ Osborne sort of laughed when they
Speaker 1: asked like if do you want to be traded and
Speaker 1: he's like, well, you know what do you think?
Speaker 2: It's like, okay, so we've got kJ.
Speaker 3: Martin Cooper, Defonte Adams d hop getting traded and we're
Speaker 3: talking about.
Speaker 1: Jayl Jalen polk Is is honk in every week and
Speaker 1: playing Tory. He said he has the best hands in
Speaker 1: the league. He's got like twelve drops and it's just
Speaker 1: a bad.
Speaker 4: Maybe maybe kJ Osborne is looking at all the Jalen
Speaker 4: Naylor's success that he's thinking, no, look at how great
Speaker 4: things were in another situation, I don't.
Speaker 1: Although what the other teams like, lose their left tackle
Speaker 1: and they're like, oh, okay, the big focus this week
Speaker 1: is going to be fixing their right tackle and covering
Speaker 1: up for that one spot. I'm like, you got to
Speaker 1: think about the Patriots, who everyone at this point is
Speaker 1: a backup plan if he is and the first plan
Speaker 1: wasn't good to begin with, so they went from one
Speaker 1: of the worst offensive lines to the third or second
Speaker 1: stringers at like every position.
Speaker 4: It is.
Speaker 1: It's a tough way to live.
Speaker 4: It's a game where Aaron Rodgers is saying, you know,
Speaker 4: the way to make the Jets feel better would be
Speaker 4: to stop listening to the media play with joy. And
Speaker 4: on the other side, people in Boston are saying the
Speaker 4: drod Bales being mean. Maybe everybody will be nice and
Speaker 4: the results will will pan out on the football field,
Speaker 4: or people are gonna say whatever you got to go
Speaker 4: out there and play the game. I mean, what about
Speaker 4: the Patriots win this game?
Speaker 3: Though, it'll be so happy in New York Patriots knock
Speaker 3: off the Jets.
Speaker 1: It's true because Aaron Rodgers, like this week on mcaveee,
Speaker 1: tried to do the thing where hey, I got to
Speaker 1: be a better leader. He actually had some accountability where
Speaker 1: he says, I need to change my style leadership, want
Speaker 1: to bring the joy to the to the field or whatever.
Speaker 1: And our old friend Hawk who I used to do
Speaker 1: game debut with, was like.
Speaker 2: Doing a great job.
Speaker 1: Was like, bro, if you're coming up, it's too late
Speaker 1: for that. You can't be changing your leadership week seven,
Speaker 1: Like that's what you do in the offseason. If you're
Speaker 1: a leader, like you got to be consistent and have
Speaker 1: like a certain approach. You can't suddenly like be, oh,
Speaker 1: I'm happy, go lucky Aaron Rodgers in Week seven.
Speaker 4: I don't know, winning makes all that, it makes all
Speaker 4: that happen. But right now the Jets have the same
Speaker 4: record as the Raiders, the same record as the Giants.
Speaker 4: I mean, I'm being counterproductive here by expanding and spending
Speaker 4: more time on the Jets because we're having this conversation
Speaker 4: but like at a certain point the same record as
Speaker 4: the Jags.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like that's that's who they are. That's who they are.
Speaker 3: That's why I'm saying, like the seven number is real
Speaker 3: big to me.
Speaker 1: I've thought that about other Patriots games, but you have
Speaker 1: gotten me more excited that if the Patriots somehow won
Speaker 1: this game, this really is their super Bowl. Just to
Speaker 1: be tied with the Jets at two and six and
Speaker 1: put them into tailspin. This is sneakily the biggest game
Speaker 1: of the Patriots season left because they don't have many
Speaker 1: winnable games like this and that would actually matter.
Speaker 2: This is it.
Speaker 4: Let's go to another team with the record as the
Speaker 4: New York Jets. The New Orleans Saints at two and five,
Speaker 4: led by Dennis Allen on the road, coming to SOFI Stadium,
Speaker 4: taking on the Chargers, who lost a heartbreaker on Monday
Speaker 4: night to the Arizona Cardinals. The Chargers a seven point favorite,
Speaker 4: a seven point favorite, they're not necessarily lighting up the scoreboard. Steve,
Speaker 4: how do you feel about the number.
Speaker 2: Seven for the Chargers? What are they averaging? Are they
Speaker 2: averaging twenty?
Speaker 3: I mean, I mean, we know the Saints have lost
Speaker 3: five in a row, we know it could be Spencer
Speaker 3: Ratler again starting a quarterback.
Speaker 2: But boy, I mean, I do like the Chargers in
Speaker 2: this game.
Speaker 3: They don't score a lot of points, but their defense
Speaker 3: is good, right, They're keeping teams, you know, from really
Speaker 3: lighting things up.
Speaker 2: The Saints.
Speaker 3: Their their offensive identity with and without Derek Carr has
Speaker 3: been all over the place.
Speaker 2: I don't like the seven number, but I do like
Speaker 2: the Chargers yet.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think you just look at it, and
Speaker 1: the Saints have lost their last three games doing a
Speaker 1: little mass here by an average of twenty points sixty
Speaker 1: points total.
Speaker 6: Okay, so two team until they lost those two the Broncos,
Speaker 6: the Bucks and the Chiefs. You know, yeah, I mean
Speaker 6: they're not probably when you're when you're losing by twenty
Speaker 6: to the Broncos, all all bets are off. We'll see
Speaker 6: who plays in this game for the Saints. They they
Speaker 6: are coming off a long weekend. They signed Alvin Kamara
Speaker 6: to a contract extension. This organization is very predictable.
Speaker 3: It's like next year's coach, he's gonna love this is
Speaker 3: Steve Fires did all.
Speaker 1: That this This team is so predictable. Now, I don't
Speaker 1: want to discount that. I love this for Alvin Kamara.
Speaker 1: Seeing him in any other uniform would be disappointing. He
Speaker 1: didn't have any guaranteed money on his deal, and they
Speaker 1: guaranteed essentially two more years, and I think he's still
Speaker 1: running well. That said, I've just seen it too much
Speaker 1: with this franchise. I believe one hundred percent they just
Speaker 1: did this good pr in a bad spot that like
Speaker 1: they want every everyone's unhappy right now, Let's do something
Speaker 1: that's gonna make everyone happy.
Speaker 2: They wanted to keep away from Dallas.
Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe since the Cowboys are go after running backs
Speaker 3: to improve their team.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, the vibes are down so horrendously when
Speaker 4: we look at Tennessee watching all of their former stars
Speaker 4: have success almost everywhere else, and yeah, we're gonna add
Speaker 4: DeAndre Hopkins that it will be a heartbreaker to see
Speaker 4: Alvin Kamara somewhere having success making a playoff run, considering
Speaker 4: how much he's meant to the folks.
Speaker 1: It's the defense, though, that's their problem, man, which is like, Wow,
Speaker 1: they're nineteenth in defensive efficiency right now. And I think
Speaker 1: Herbert's played his best two games of the year in
Speaker 1: a row and his arrow is pointed up the Saints
Speaker 1: defense have given up the most rushing yards over expected
Speaker 1: since Week three. They have the fourth worst pressure rate,
Speaker 1: So Herbert's actually faced a lot of pressure lately. But
Speaker 1: I think you can protect him in this game. And
Speaker 1: I don't know. I actually would take the Chargers even
Speaker 1: I would even take the point. You take the seven
Speaker 1: on this sure. I think the Saints are just hands
Speaker 1: off right now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's such a bad situation.
Speaker 4: And I understand where because I went did the mask,
Speaker 4: So that's a scary proposition. It's seventeen points a game
Speaker 4: for the Chargers. Yeah, here this season where that their scoring?
Speaker 2: Yeah, where you're starting to wonder.
Speaker 4: And again, there were some plays that could have been
Speaker 4: made on Monday Night by Chargers receivers that were ultimately
Speaker 4: not But here we are and yet another season where
Speaker 4: you've got a good quarterback for a team that's coached
Speaker 4: by a hardball with Greg Roman calling the plays and
Speaker 4: orchestrating the offense, and we're wondering why they're not necessarily
Speaker 4: having the success that they could be outside and the
Speaker 4: investments and the talent on the outside are a little
Speaker 4: bit lackadaisical.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean that's what it is. I mean
Speaker 2: they have no explosive I mean they have a quarterbacks,
Speaker 2: but it's twenty twenty four like you have. Yeah, they.
Speaker 1: Is good, but he also is always like he's playing
Speaker 1: through something, saying all that, like he gets hurt. It
Speaker 1: seems like every time he gets tackled, but then he's
Speaker 1: like fighting through it and gets up that I did
Speaker 1: want to point out the Saints are getting it's Carter
Speaker 1: a ton of people back. No, I'm not saying that.
Speaker 1: What does that mean the guy who acts like he
Speaker 1: got shot every I don't mean McConkie's acting like. I
Speaker 1: think he's playing through injuries because he's maybe not physical
Speaker 1: enough at the NFL level yet. And credit to him,
Speaker 1: he's playing pretty well. The Saints should get Taysom Hill,
Speaker 1: Chris o'lave, Caesar Ruiz, Lucas Patrick, and Pete Werner back helps.
Speaker 1: Those are five big time starters for them, so that's important.
Speaker 1: Maybe this seven is not too crazy.
Speaker 4: Maybe congratulations to Insanity on his induction, because I absolutely
Speaker 4: Herbert attempted quick passes at the highest rate in the league.
Speaker 2: By the way his teams are crowding the line of screp.
Speaker 1: I would say Novak Djokovic you know there's a guy
Speaker 1: who loved to accentuate his injuries. Let everyone know, but
Speaker 1: also you know one of the greatest of all times. Yes.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 4: The Baltimore Ravens eight and a half point favorites at
Speaker 4: the Cleveland Browns over under his forty four and a half.
Speaker 4: Tom McCarthy, Ross Tucker and Jay Feely on the call
Speaker 4: as this will be Jamis Winston's starting greg with Ken
Speaker 4: Dorsey calling the plays as Kevin Sefanski has decided to
Speaker 4: step back from his play calling responsibilities and he gets
Speaker 4: to do it. Ken Dorsey does against the defense that's
Speaker 4: allowing a lot of success on the outside.
Speaker 2: Can they get it? Yeah.
Speaker 1: Marlin Humphrey is questionable for this game coming off that
Speaker 1: knee injury. It sounds like it's not a long term issue,
Speaker 1: but could keep him out this week. And you mentioned
Speaker 1: their cornerbacks have struggled. I proposed they go ahead and
Speaker 1: acquire Marshawn Lattimore from the Saints. In my trades, we
Speaker 1: like to see, who knows, maybe in a couple of weeks.
Speaker 1: I don't know if the Saints would ever give up
Speaker 1: Winston this change that he's starting, because Dorian Thompson Robinson
Speaker 1: isn't healthy anyways, but reportedly it would have been Winston.
Speaker 1: I don't who knows, But now that Sefanski isn't calling
Speaker 1: the plays, it's yet another moment in this season in
Speaker 1: where I wonder who is making these decisions. It's unclear
Speaker 1: to me if it's Kevin Stefanski making these decisions.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's where that Kevin decided to step back and
Speaker 3: do this. It's kind of like, okay, you know, let's
Speaker 3: we trade away on Marii Cooper. We really don't have,
Speaker 3: you know, a ton of threats to Nick Chubb is back.
Speaker 3: I'll tell you this, Jamis is going to push the
Speaker 3: ball down the field. We know that about Jamis, and
Speaker 3: we know the secondary has been real hot and cold.
Speaker 3: They put their linebackers, the Ravens to put their linebackers
Speaker 3: and some stressful coverage situations. I just don't think the
Speaker 3: Browns have the targets to really stress those guys out
Speaker 3: that much. You know, eight and a half to me
Speaker 3: is a big number for division game. You know, Baltimore
Speaker 3: could easily do it. It could get ugly, but I
Speaker 3: just think a division game act Cleveland, Jamis is going
Speaker 3: to push the ball a little bit. I don't know
Speaker 3: if Baltimore is going to completely blow them out in
Speaker 3: this game, but they're going to win this game.
Speaker 2: It's hard.
Speaker 4: It's hard to envision a Baltimore blowout the way that
Speaker 4: the defense has performed. Especially, Yeah, you go in, you
Speaker 4: expect right to look and see total failure on the defense,
Speaker 4: considering the points per game and the way things are going.
Speaker 2: Wow, but success rate rise in the run game. They
Speaker 2: are very good. They're very efficient, good players.
Speaker 1: You can just see it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they show up and make plays.
Speaker 4: But again, this is a Cleveland Browns offense that has
Speaker 4: not scored more than twenty points the entire season. I
Speaker 4: know Jamis makes it better, but they still have problems
Speaker 4: that weren't all Watson related.
Speaker 2: But I think we get close to eight and a
Speaker 2: half points. But eight and a half is a lot.
Speaker 1: Look, I think it's I don't usually believe that prior
Speaker 1: results make a huge difference unless it's division opponents with
Speaker 1: the same coaches. In the last three years these two
Speaker 1: teams have split. There's actually been some one sided games
Speaker 1: for the Ravens and the Browns in either favor. That's
Speaker 1: been close games, but either way, it's been kind of
Speaker 1: a draw between these two teams. But that's why I
Speaker 1: don't get Sevanski not calling the plays. We've seen you
Speaker 1: call the plays with Joe Flacco and it worked great.
Speaker 1: We've seen you call it with Jacobe Brissett and it
Speaker 1: worked great. We've seen you call it with Baker Mayfield
Speaker 1: and that team offensively was ready to go to the
Speaker 1: Super Bowl. I thought, So that's curious to me. The
Speaker 1: one drive that Jamis had last week, I gotta say
Speaker 1: it was probably the most visually pleasing Cleveland Brown's drive
Speaker 1: of the season. Low bar, but very low, but it
Speaker 1: was one drive. I went back to watch it, and
Speaker 1: like you said, he was giving guys a chance to
Speaker 1: make plays and he did it. Cedric Tillman had some
Speaker 1: nice catches, and he's not afraid. He hasn't played much
Speaker 1: lately though. We have this idea of Jameis Winston, but
Speaker 1: he's only started three games in the last three years,
Speaker 1: so we just haven't seen him play a lot lately.
Speaker 3: I'll say this, Jamis might be one of most liked
Speaker 3: players in any locker room that he's in. His teammates
Speaker 3: like him, you know. Aaron Rodgers talked about bringing the
Speaker 3: joy to the locker room. Jamis does that, so we'll see.
Speaker 3: I mean I spoke to defensive coordinator this year whose
Speaker 3: team put it on the Browns, and he was like,
Speaker 3: we really thought they were gonna go to Jamis. And
Speaker 3: actually the way he pushes the ball down the field
Speaker 3: would have caused his problems back when Shawan Watch was healthy.
Speaker 3: So again, we'll see. That's a good point. He hasn't
Speaker 3: played in a long time. It's a little chaotic going
Speaker 3: on in Cleveland.
Speaker 1: Well, and can they protect. I've never seen an offensive
Speaker 1: line and I don't know if this is Watson or
Speaker 1: the coaches or the line. It's probably all of them,
Speaker 1: and they just they can't pick up a blitz. We
Speaker 1: Candorsey's problem now week after week after week. It kind
Speaker 1: of was Ken Dorsey's problem though in Buffalo too. So
Speaker 1: the Ravens can certainly get creative. I did want to
Speaker 1: give you a Ravens stat. Okay, only four teams since
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety have averaged seven yards per play through the
Speaker 1: first seven weeks of the season. One of them is
Speaker 1: the twenty twenty four Ravens, So that is the level
Speaker 1: that they are at. I will see if you guys
Speaker 1: can guess any of the other three teams that average
Speaker 1: seven yards per play for the first seven games of
Speaker 1: the season since nineteen.
Speaker 2: Well, it was seventeen to one Patriots, I mean right now.
Speaker 4: No, surprisingly, No, the second year greatest show on turf
Speaker 4: rams had to be Yes, yeah, you got it?
Speaker 2: Is it ninety that's one.
Speaker 1: That's no, that's two thousand, two thousand. Good job, because
Speaker 1: that team was a wagon the year after they won
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl for a while until they had injuries
Speaker 1: on defense. Wow, and they weren't the twenty three Dolphins okay,
Speaker 1: last year's off and then the nineteen ninety two forty
Speaker 1: nine ers that.
Speaker 2: Meant okay, Stevia, So there.
Speaker 1: That's how That's how good they are. And I like
Speaker 1: reading like the Derek Henry coach just about how amazing
Speaker 1: it is to play with Lamar Jackson. They're just so
Speaker 1: happy together.
Speaker 2: It's great.
Speaker 1: I'm just I'm just knocking on wood, Okay, just it's
Speaker 1: always amazing. Everyone was really excited about when Lamar went
Speaker 1: blocking for Derek could.
Speaker 4: He should have scored on that play and also Zion
Speaker 4: McCollum with an insane chase down to get him on
Speaker 4: the other play. Yeah, kerck Henry could have had two
Speaker 4: seventy plus yard touchdowns, but he said his slow butt,
Speaker 4: so he's gonna he's gonna make sure he Yeah, he
Speaker 4: actually ran too fast because Tylan Wallace had the third
Speaker 4: fastest speed from that game and he couldn't catch up
Speaker 4: to Derek to throw the block against the calm to
Speaker 4: spring him. So he could have slowed down and got
Speaker 4: away with that though. So we go from a generationally
Speaker 4: good offense to the Carolina Panthers taking on the Denver
Speaker 4: Broncos on the road at Denver, and congratulations to Bryce Young.
Speaker 4: You were now the starter with Andy Dalton dealing with
Speaker 4: an injury. The Broncos favored by nine the over under
Speaker 4: his forty three and a half with Jason mccordy and
Speaker 4: Chris Lewis on the call, Steve, it's a rough spot
Speaker 4: for hey.
Speaker 2: Congratulations Bryce.
Speaker 4: Now you're back against the number one passing efficiency defense
Speaker 4: in the NFL.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, hopefully Andy Dalton's okay. I know he's
Speaker 3: in the car accident with his family. I think he
Speaker 3: injured his hand in that accent. You know, first, it's like,
Speaker 3: who the hell of the Denver Bronco is going to
Speaker 3: beat by nine points. Well, anybody in the NFC South
Speaker 3: that they played. They won by nineteen over Tampa Bay
Speaker 3: and twenty three over New Orleans. So Sean Payton continues
Speaker 3: owning the division where he used to coach. Look, it's
Speaker 3: Caroline is just you know, it's a mess right now.
Speaker 3: You know, we'll see if Bryce, you know, could get
Speaker 3: anything done offensively.
Speaker 1: What a tough spot.
Speaker 3: He's in a terrible spot right now to come in
Speaker 3: and playing against a team that's playing great defense. I mean,
Speaker 3: the Broncos get after teams, and so Vance Joseph is
Speaker 3: gonna give him a million different looks. We'll see if
Speaker 3: he can stand up and bounce back. But I'm the
Speaker 3: nine does not seem completely out of reach to me.
Speaker 1: Now, Yeah, the best thing Sean Payton did was higher
Speaker 1: Vance Joseph, and he has brought a level of professionalism
Speaker 1: to the offensive line. They don't really make a ton
Speaker 1: of mistakes, they're pretty good on special teams. They're winning
Speaker 1: at the margins, so you got to give the head
Speaker 1: coach some credit for that. And Vance Joseph is dealing
Speaker 1: right now. Their third in defensive efficiency, they're twenty fourth
Speaker 1: in offense. Under Sean Payton. So the offense really hasn't
Speaker 1: gotten any better, but the defense keeps adding guys like
Speaker 1: Cody Barton was the defensive player of the week and
Speaker 1: they've added Baron Browning. I think Patrick Sartanne will be
Speaker 1: back for this game. The Panthers have been outscored by
Speaker 1: one hundred and thirty three points this year. No one
Speaker 1: else in the NFC has been outscored by more than fifty.
Speaker 2: So there they lose.
Speaker 1: They lose, and they always lose. They only won once,
Speaker 1: so except for that Raiders game, they always lose. So
Speaker 1: it's a tough spot for Bryce to re enter the lineup.
Speaker 1: Guys are thinking about are they going to get traded
Speaker 1: Deontay Johnson, stuff like that. I think if you're Bo
Speaker 1: Nicks and the BRONC goes, it's actually is a I
Speaker 1: wouldn't say a big game, but you'd like to see
Speaker 1: some offensive progress against the worst defense in the league
Speaker 1: and show that you can throw the ball down the field.
Speaker 4: Well, I think the problem with that is still it's
Speaker 4: going to be so easy to get progress in running
Speaker 4: the ball right in terms of success percentage. This Panthers
Speaker 4: defense one of the worst in terms of overall performance
Speaker 4: against the rush, it's one of the worst in the NFL.
Speaker 4: And Javonte Williams in this you mentioned the offensive line
Speaker 4: kind of doing what they're supposed to do, not necessarily
Speaker 4: leaping off the page and anything. But they've had that
Speaker 4: success and it's tough for me to imagine the possessions
Speaker 4: really being enough to get a proper evaluation for Bryce
Speaker 4: against the defense that's really good. And I don't know
Speaker 4: that bo Nicks is gonna need to do no he
Speaker 4: won any kind of thing against this. It's just a
Speaker 4: bad team all around. And Andy surprisingly didn't fix all
Speaker 4: of that by playing a few games.
Speaker 1: Broncos are going to be what five and three here?
Speaker 2: How about that?
Speaker 1: Halfway through the season. A little bit of a surprise
Speaker 1: shout out to Jason mccordy making his debut. As like
Speaker 1: the solo analysis, usually it's at three person booth with Tiki,
Speaker 1: but hey, no bye weeks, all gas, no breaks. One
Speaker 1: more break for the podcast though, we'll be back after that.
Speaker 1: Back on NFL Daily, Chiefs haven't lost in a long time.
Speaker 1: We were all different people back on Christmas of twenty
Speaker 1: twenty three was innocent times. We didn't know if interim
Speaker 1: head coach Antonio Pierce, who would get the job long term,
Speaker 1: but then he pulled off the upset, making Patrick Mahomes
Speaker 1: look worse than maybe any game I've ever seen, And
Speaker 1: here he is now and they get the rematch.
Speaker 4: A generational performance by Jack Jones of the Los Angeles Raiders,
Speaker 4: who was all over Patrick Mahomes, and that game had
Speaker 4: a pick six as well, and the Chiefs decided they
Speaker 4: weren't going to lose. After that, they are a ten
Speaker 4: point favorite at Las Vegas, where they have had a
Speaker 4: lot of success, almost exclusively successful with Patrick Mahomes. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I think Patrick Mahomes is I don't think he's ever
Speaker 4: lost in Vega. In Las Vegas forty one and a
Speaker 4: half the over under Kevin Harlan and Trent Green on
Speaker 4: the call, So that part will be exciting.
Speaker 2: Does Gardner Minshew make it excited? I can't even say.
Speaker 1: Now, forget about the Raiders in general. This team is
Speaker 1: forget about. Let's talk about the DeAndre Hopkins trade. If
Speaker 1: you were listening on Wednesday's show, some trades we'd like
Speaker 1: to see. We had Hopkins going to the Chiefs. I
Speaker 1: think we even threw out a fourth or fifth round
Speaker 1: pick and so look, we nailed it. Fun pickup. How
Speaker 1: much does Hopkins have left? I think enough. I watched
Speaker 1: the game he played early in the season where he
Speaker 1: had a number of targets and stuff like, he looked
Speaker 1: like he had juice. He had a little bit of
Speaker 1: an injury, and so that's always gonna be a concern
Speaker 1: with an older player. And we'll see. But he needs
Speaker 1: a quarterback that's gonna need to just trust him in
Speaker 1: situations because he's not gonna be that open and quarterback
Speaker 1: that's accurate can put it in a position where he
Speaker 1: can go make tough catches. I mean, that's Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 1: This is a godsend, I think for Patrick Mahomes, who's
Speaker 1: trying to make it work with like Juju, Smith, Schuster
Speaker 1: and Justin Watson. He's essentially gonna play the Justin Watson role.
Speaker 1: And I'd much rather have DeAndre Hopkins playing the Justine.
Speaker 3: He can look a lot more athletic and a lot
Speaker 3: more healthy playing with the Kansasy Chiefs. I mean, just
Speaker 3: like Amari Cooper look better playing for the Buffalo Bills.
Speaker 3: It's look, it's gonna be really good. With Kelsey. You
Speaker 3: almost have to have two intermediate route runners, right, Kelsey
Speaker 3: in the middle of the field, intermediate guy kind of
Speaker 3: hashesn't out, kind of like Rashia Rice, kind of like
Speaker 3: Juju is doing. So you get a guy who can
Speaker 3: win the fifty to fifty balls, so you're better in
Speaker 3: the red zone. Right, that's a situation where they've got
Speaker 3: the Chiefs have to improve a little bit, open up
Speaker 3: some things for the run game. But you know, this
Speaker 3: game here there might be a couple of defensive scores
Speaker 3: for the Chiefs as well. I mean, Gardner Minsch has
Speaker 3: been very kind, you know, with the ball, and so
Speaker 3: you know, look what's the number ten.
Speaker 2: I don't know if the not.
Speaker 3: It's kind of a big number for a division game
Speaker 3: between these two because they they tended to play.
Speaker 2: But the Chiefs have wiped him out a couple times
Speaker 2: as well.
Speaker 1: This is the worst I think Minch has looked as
Speaker 1: a pro. I feel for him. I actually this is
Speaker 1: not He's usually not this bad. Last week was just
Speaker 1: not good.
Speaker 4: And he comes in in a situation right where he's
Speaker 4: not expecting to play. Maybe that has an aspect, but
Speaker 4: the season long, right, he's done a couple of really
Speaker 4: really questionable decisions throwing the football. It's kind of called
Speaker 4: the other way, and the other team's gotten points out
Speaker 4: of it. But I'm looking back, I'm thinking back, this
Speaker 4: is the best receiver the Chiefs have had since Tyreek
Speaker 4: Hill and Sammy Watkins, just in terms of like a
Speaker 4: technician out there where even then, when they draft Tyreek Hill,
Speaker 4: he's going to be a Andy Reid gadget guy and
Speaker 4: they don't know they're getting like this Canton level wide receiver,
Speaker 4: technician of the game, and so income's nuke and that
Speaker 4: makes everything better. It's frustrating as a fan of another
Speaker 4: AFC team right that the Chiefs are able to add
Speaker 4: this kind of talent where I think other.
Speaker 2: Teams could have used the DeAndre Hopkins perhaps.
Speaker 3: Isn't an amazing how they just go out and they
Speaker 3: just get receivers. I mean, who's a guy a couple
Speaker 3: of years ago they got from the Giants who's no
Speaker 3: longer with the.
Speaker 1: Team, Canarius Tony. Every year they've added a receiver who
Speaker 1: has made up play in the Super Bowl. So you
Speaker 1: got McCole, Hardman, get Juju back catches the game winner.
Speaker 1: Juju's got the hamstring injury. I don't know playing in
Speaker 1: this game. That one game Juju had might have been
Speaker 1: Juju's moment. Yeah, as like a big time difference maker.
Speaker 1: That's a good point that he really is. Because Xavier Worthy,
Speaker 1: who I think will get better as a pro, but
Speaker 1: he has zero catches this season when facing press coverage
Speaker 1: like they just he just gets erased when he needs
Speaker 1: to be in a certain sort of role. Now and
Speaker 1: maybe improve and Hopkins can help him get in better spots. Man,
Speaker 1: this Chiefs team, they're getting better better.
Speaker 4: Rough news for everyone the team that shipped off new Hopkins.
Speaker 4: The Tennessee Titans on the road at the Detroit Lions,
Speaker 4: who are favored by eleven points the over under his
Speaker 4: forty five Kevin Coogler and Darryl Johnston on the call
Speaker 4: as Steve there is not gonna be a Will Levis
Speaker 4: we think right now, Coach Callahan says he Mason Rudolph
Speaker 4: to start once again. He started well against the Buffalo Bills,
Speaker 4: but then the Bills scored thirty four points going up
Speaker 4: against you can make it. I would make the case
Speaker 4: the Detroit Lions might be playing better football than anybody
Speaker 4: right now.
Speaker 3: Right, I mean, look, the eleven I don't like the
Speaker 3: number just because Detroit came off a tough game against
Speaker 3: Minnesota and they got the Packers next week. Right, this
Speaker 3: is one where the eyeball gets stray a little bit.
Speaker 3: They should win this game. Tennessee's defensive times can look
Speaker 3: really really good. But I mean Detroit's offense, well, they
Speaker 3: want to dial it up, you know, with that run
Speaker 3: game and then mixing up all those different receivers.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean I like Detroit to win it.
Speaker 3: I don't know if I like the eleven here, but
Speaker 3: Tennessee just I mean, unfortunately they've got They've just got
Speaker 3: a pop gun on offense.
Speaker 2: They don't have anything where they can really generate some points.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the last level of dominance where it's not
Speaker 1: the biggest game in your season. You're coming off a
Speaker 1: huge win, you got one next, Like, can you just
Speaker 1: stomp out a team like this anyways, just because you're
Speaker 1: so focused and you're so talented. I tend to think
Speaker 1: they can. The Titans defense, it almost makes you think, like,
Speaker 1: how valuable is a good defense really if you don't
Speaker 1: have the offense. Because I watched that Bills game and
Speaker 1: it they held up, and they held up, and they
Speaker 1: held up and eventually, Like they're a good run defense,
Speaker 1: but the dam is going to break. They're a little
Speaker 1: easier to pass on, Like does it really matter? I
Speaker 1: do what wonder? I did some digging people saying there's
Speaker 1: no way they'll trade Jeffrey Simmons. Maybe Harold Landry would
Speaker 1: be a guy that they would consider, just because what
Speaker 1: are they doing this season? There's not much going on.
Speaker 1: This is the first game though, without Jamison Williams and right,
Speaker 1: you know, we'll see if like Khleif Raymond can fill
Speaker 1: that spot. I think they'll be fine. Offensively, they are
Speaker 1: a rare team that can try to still run on
Speaker 1: the Titans, even though the Titans are a very good
Speaker 1: run defense.
Speaker 4: Jared Golf in his career against the number one total
Speaker 4: defense is three and eight. But I think this this
Speaker 4: situation is so different because Jared Golf is playing such
Speaker 4: good football. He's dealing right now, right now where Ben
Speaker 4: Johnson and he are linked up, where pressure is not
Speaker 4: an issue for Jared Golf. My friend Adam Rank loves
Speaker 4: to say that Jared Golf is an indoor cat, but
Speaker 4: once again, Jared Golf playing all of these games in
Speaker 4: dome stadiums this year, like the elements aren't necessarily an
Speaker 4: issue where it's I don't know. I do think for
Speaker 4: the Titan's sake what they are doing, I would agree
Speaker 4: in not trading Jeffrey Simmons. I would agree on keeping
Speaker 4: the unique talent that you have.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, My issue with Tennessee is they have not done that,
Speaker 4: and that's why they're in this hopeless position right now.
Speaker 2: Is abandoning their unique talents and trying to fill in
Speaker 2: spots and make it.
Speaker 1: It's just it's not working, and Callahan's trying to thread
Speaker 1: the needle where it. Rudolph is likely to play this week,
Speaker 1: but once Levis is healthy, then he is the starter.
Speaker 1: He did openly say this season is about getting a
Speaker 1: full evaluation of Levis. He said that this week, and
Speaker 1: so I was like, okay, because it's not really about
Speaker 1: necessarily winning, not like Mason, Rudolph is going to really
Speaker 1: win games for you either, So why wouldn't you play him?
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's tough. I mean, they signed Calvin Ridley.
Speaker 1: He has thirty six targets right now for twelve catches.
Speaker 1: That's crazy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, look, a lot of a lot of
Speaker 3: their veteran offse's acquisitions just have not materialized something with
Speaker 3: a few teams in terms of getting some veteran free
Speaker 3: agents where it just hasn't worked.
Speaker 1: Jerius Snead is another one has not really played well
Speaker 1: for them.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's uh, you know, I think Callahan will eventually
Speaker 3: get it right, but it's it ain't gonna be this year.
Speaker 1: And Jared Goff, this whole MVP thing, Everyone's like, oh,
Speaker 1: Jared Goff's the MVP. Well, first of all, it's so early.
Speaker 1: This is why I get annoyed with the early MVP
Speaker 1: talk because if we were truly looking at it, like, Okay,
Speaker 1: who's the MVP of the first six weeks? His first
Speaker 1: three weeks were one of the worst three weeks I've
Speaker 1: seen from Jared Goff, people just wipe that out of
Speaker 1: their mind. Uh, Like, since he arrived in Detroit, he
Speaker 1: had a bad first three weeks. So that's half the
Speaker 1: season so far. So I'm not giving the MVP to
Speaker 1: the guy who half the season was struggling. I'm not
Speaker 1: a hater, but I will point out only one tight
Speaker 1: window throw last week and almost none the week before too,
Speaker 1: Like they're setting him up and he's knocking it down.
Speaker 1: He was great last week, I need a rant.
Speaker 2: Patrick had a Dandy. That was a good one right there.
Speaker 2: My patience wasn't get out him, get out somebody, Steve.
Speaker 1: So good to have the whole group back, uh. In
Speaker 1: the Chris Westling podcast studio, we're gonna wrap it up here.
Speaker 2: Thank you for.
Speaker 1: Watching NFL daily. We'll be back TNF recap. Not doing
Speaker 1: a live YouTube this time because it's gonna be a
Speaker 1: late night taping.
Speaker 2: Me and JB.
Speaker 1: Long. We got to get back home and fight through
Speaker 1: the Englewood traffic because I'll be at Rams Viker so well, JP,
Speaker 1: We'll see you then. Look when football back