WEBVTT - Episode 1: The Warrior 

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<v Speaker 1>Pushkin. Hey, it's Jake. I hope you enjoyed our season

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<v Speaker 1>The Truth About Sarah. We'll be having a live event

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<v Speaker 1>later this year. It's going to be a conversation between

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<v Speaker 1>me and my co host Jess McHugh, and we want

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<v Speaker 1>to hear from you too. What questions do you have

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<v Speaker 1>for us about this season? Send your questions to deep

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<v Speaker 1>Cover at Pushkin dot fm. That's deep Cover All one

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<v Speaker 1>word at Pushkin dot fm and stay tuned for more

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<v Speaker 1>details on this event.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, I am just recording here is it in the

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<v Speaker 2>car outside your English department? And I just got this

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<v Speaker 2>letter which was sent to me by Sarah Kavanaugh.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, October twelve, twenty twenty four. Dear Jake, thank you

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<v Speaker 3>for sending me the articles and book that you've written.

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<v Speaker 3>You have a distinct style when imposing questions that really

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<v Speaker 3>makes one think about the messages between the lines.

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<v Speaker 4>Jess and I have spoken twice and emailed several times

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<v Speaker 4>to talk about my actions and the consequences. It is

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<v Speaker 4>important to me that you know I know and knew

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<v Speaker 4>several months before my arrest what I was doing was wrong.

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<v Speaker 4>I could not have imagined the laws I was breaking,

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<v Speaker 4>but know now that I was always guilty. What is

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<v Speaker 4>your opinion about my crime? I asked this, because no

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<v Speaker 4>matter who we are, we bring biases, and I'd like

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<v Speaker 4>to know what you are bringing to the conversation. Also,

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<v Speaker 4>I have not always thought about others before myself, and

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<v Speaker 4>will always be deliberately sensitive to other people for the

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<v Speaker 4>rest of my life. I'm looking forward to meeting you,

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<v Speaker 4>even if it's virtually Sincerely, Sarah.

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<v Speaker 1>This letter that I just read you. It's written on

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<v Speaker 1>lined paper, the kind I used in grade school, and

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<v Speaker 1>the penmanship is flawless. When I read it for the

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<v Speaker 1>first time, I was in my car outside my classroom

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<v Speaker 1>at the university where I teach, and I found myself

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<v Speaker 1>just sitting there reading and rereading this letter. What is

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<v Speaker 1>your opinion about my crime?

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<v Speaker 5>She asked.

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<v Speaker 1>Now that was interesting to me. It was almost like,

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<v Speaker 1>right from the jump, this woman, Sarah Kavanaugh, had flipped

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<v Speaker 1>the script like she was interviewing me, and then there

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<v Speaker 1>was this line, I'd like to know what you were

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<v Speaker 1>bringing to the conversation. Funny because we weren't even having

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<v Speaker 1>a conversation yet. But looking back, I understand now that

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<v Speaker 1>the conversation had already started and she was already sussing

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<v Speaker 1>me out, tuning in to me and Sarah. She's really

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<v Speaker 1>really good at that. I know that now. Months before

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<v Speaker 1>I got that letter, I got a call from my

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<v Speaker 1>friend Jess McHugh. She's my co host this season. Jess

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<v Speaker 1>is a journalist and an author. In fact, you may

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<v Speaker 1>have noticed in Sarah's letter she makes a reference to Jess,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's because Jess is the one who found this story.

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<v Speaker 6>I first heard about Sarah when I read a few

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<v Speaker 6>articles about her online, just snippets, really, But what I

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<v Speaker 6>read about her was so bizarre, so unusual, I had

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<v Speaker 6>a million questions, so I tracked her down. We started

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<v Speaker 6>sending emails, talking on the phone, getting to know each other,

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<v Speaker 6>and right from the start she felt familiar to me.

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<v Speaker 6>We have a few things in common. Actually we're about

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<v Speaker 6>the same age, both from small towns in New England.

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<v Speaker 6>But also, I've become a bit of an expert on

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<v Speaker 6>women like her. I've spent years digging into historical research,

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<v Speaker 6>reviewing court documents, and immersing myself in the world of

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<v Speaker 6>women who managed to live multiple lives. Found so much

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<v Speaker 6>that I'm now writing a book about it all. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 6>Sarah felt familiar to me, but in the most unsettling way.

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<v Speaker 6>I clearly remember one of the first things I wrote

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<v Speaker 6>to her after reading those headlines. I told her, I

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<v Speaker 6>suspect that there is so much more to your story.

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<v Speaker 6>I had no way of knowing just how true that

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<v Speaker 6>would turn out to be.

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<v Speaker 1>There's so much that we've learned since we first started

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<v Speaker 1>talking to Sarah jelous that she's told us, and we've

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<v Speaker 1>spent the last eight months trying to figure out how

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<v Speaker 1>much of her story is true and what, if anything,

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<v Speaker 1>we could trust, because this story is all about trust.

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<v Speaker 1>It's about what it means to know someone or think

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<v Speaker 1>you know someone, and what happens when reality itself seems

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<v Speaker 1>to dissolve. I'm Jake Colbern and I'm Jess McHugh and

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<v Speaker 1>this is deep Cover, Season six, The Truth About Sarah,

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<v Speaker 1>Episode one, The Warrior.

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<v Speaker 6>One of the first people we interviewed for this story

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<v Speaker 6>was Catherine Dexter. She goes by des Des initially met

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<v Speaker 6>Sarah Cavanaugh in the mountains in Montana at a retreat

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<v Speaker 6>for veterans.

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<v Speaker 7>You got to see the sunrise and you got to

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<v Speaker 7>see mountains and the air was like amazing, and crisped

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<v Speaker 7>and smelled a little bit like a campfire.

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<v Speaker 8>So you woke up every.

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<v Speaker 7>Single morning and you saw these mountains and they were beautiful,

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<v Speaker 7>and you were just like awestruck because you were like,

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<v Speaker 7>why don't I live here? And that's where you were

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<v Speaker 7>drinking your coffee at five am.

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<v Speaker 6>Dex had served in the Marines as military police in

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<v Speaker 6>Japan a couple other bases. When she got out, she

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<v Speaker 6>felt a bit lost.

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<v Speaker 7>So I had kind of kind of steered away from

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<v Speaker 7>the veteran community when I got out, and I was

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<v Speaker 7>really really isolated. So that was one of the big

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<v Speaker 7>things that I struggled with because I had dealt with

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<v Speaker 7>a lot of life transitions.

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<v Speaker 6>The retreat was organized by a nonprofit called Patrol Base

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<v Speaker 6>Abate also known as pb Abate. Founder started the organization

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<v Speaker 6>because he was concerned about the mental health of veterans

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<v Speaker 6>and their difficulties readjusting to civilian life, and this was

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<v Speaker 6>kind of the exact crossroads Decks was at. So she

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<v Speaker 6>applied to go on one of their all expense paid

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<v Speaker 6>trips to Montana, and that's how she ended up drinking

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<v Speaker 6>her coffee in Big Sky Country with all these other

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<v Speaker 6>vets and meeting Sarah what were your.

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<v Speaker 8>First impressions of her At the time, I liked her.

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<v Speaker 8>I liked her a lot.

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<v Speaker 7>It's all in the context of like what I know

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<v Speaker 7>about her now, But back then I liked her because

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<v Speaker 7>she put out, because she worked really hard, and she

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<v Speaker 7>was really homeble, and she didn't walk around saying, oh,

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<v Speaker 7>I'm a woman and I was in combat. She was

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<v Speaker 7>injured and everybody knew it, but she was still running.

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<v Speaker 1>Part of the ethos of this retreat was you didn't

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<v Speaker 1>brag about the past, focused on now, and you exercised

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<v Speaker 1>a lot. The whole point of this retreat was actually

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<v Speaker 1>strength building. The Vets built a platform that became their

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<v Speaker 1>outdoor gym. They lifted weights here, did squats, deadlifts, power cleans,

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<v Speaker 1>and apparently they were also carrying giant slabs of rock

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<v Speaker 1>up a mountain.

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<v Speaker 8>Come on, oh shit, leyam push that woman.

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<v Speaker 1>You can hear saying push it. That's Sarah Kavanaugh. We

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<v Speaker 1>found this video of her on YouTube from this same retreat.

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<v Speaker 1>She's in a sweaty gray tank top, has on these

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<v Speaker 1>mirrored sunglasses and leather work woman's gloves. She has blonde

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<v Speaker 1>hair and a runners build, slim and athletics and that

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<v Speaker 1>soft inspirational music that's in there because this is a

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<v Speaker 1>promotional video for Patrol Base of Bate, And in that

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<v Speaker 1>video we see Sarah giving an interview with the wild

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<v Speaker 1>Mountains of Montana in the background.

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<v Speaker 9>Because there's such an open discussion about what's really happening

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<v Speaker 9>to veterans, right, you know, what are we going through?

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<v Speaker 9>How can we, you know, refit and refresh the skills

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<v Speaker 9>we have and the skills we learned while we were

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<v Speaker 9>serving and apply them to our lives and make our

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<v Speaker 9>lives better now. I think I was expecting just to

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<v Speaker 9>come together and have some fun and work out, but

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<v Speaker 9>it was so much more than that.

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<v Speaker 6>The person who started these retreats was concerned about all

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<v Speaker 6>the challenges that vet's face as they transitioned back to

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<v Speaker 6>civilian life, and he wanted this time in the woods

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<v Speaker 6>to be healing transfer me even.

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<v Speaker 9>And to the veterans who are coming out here, be

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<v Speaker 9>ready to talk and not talk out loud. But maybe

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<v Speaker 9>you need to talk to yourself, Maybe you need to

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<v Speaker 9>hear what other people are saying and process that and

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<v Speaker 9>come back to yourself and work through some things.

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<v Speaker 10>And I think that's happening here.

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<v Speaker 8>It definitely is.

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<v Speaker 9>But I think if you can at least be prepared

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<v Speaker 9>to do the work, I think you'll.

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<v Speaker 6>Get a lot out of it. Beck says that on

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<v Speaker 6>this retreat there were just a few female vets. It

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<v Speaker 6>was her, Sarah, and another former marine named Natalie. The

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<v Speaker 6>three of them worked out together.

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<v Speaker 11>Dex has this way of like she calls it, gassing

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<v Speaker 11>you up, of like being your biggest cheerleader, and so

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<v Speaker 11>she'll be like, man, look at those guns.

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<v Speaker 8>Natalie.

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<v Speaker 1>That's Natalie Markham. She was a clarinetist in the Marine

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<v Speaker 1>Corps band, a self described band nerd. At the time

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<v Speaker 1>of the retreat, Natalie was struggling. She owned a CrossFit

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<v Speaker 1>gym that had been hit hard during the pandemic and

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<v Speaker 1>she was worried that it might go bust. So for

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<v Speaker 1>her to be here in Montana doing something she loved

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<v Speaker 1>under the open sky with new friends, it was like

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<v Speaker 1>she could breathe. She asked someone to take a picture

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<v Speaker 1>of her with Dex and Sarah to commemorate the moment.

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<v Speaker 12>The three of us are lined up and being female

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<v Speaker 12>and in the military, like do you stand tough?

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<v Speaker 8>Do you stand feminine?

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<v Speaker 12>And then you know we're in a strength retreat, so

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<v Speaker 12>we should take one that looks kind of cute, but

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<v Speaker 12>then we should take one that looks kind of tough,

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<v Speaker 12>and so will flex, and Dex is always one to

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<v Speaker 12>be like, oh, we have to flex.

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<v Speaker 1>In the picture, the three of them are standing against

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<v Speaker 1>the backdrop of the mountains, all flexing, biceps and triceps bulging.

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<v Speaker 1>Natalie and Sarah are smiling, Dex is all business, serious

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<v Speaker 1>as can be, and looking at the photo, I could

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<v Speaker 1>kind of feel their energy. I'd never guess they just met.

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<v Speaker 1>They look like they could be sisters, joking, competing, giving

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<v Speaker 1>each other shit, like the Three Musketeers or something. Dex

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<v Speaker 1>told us that this kind of camaraderie is not a given.

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<v Speaker 7>When you're a woman in the military, the competition among

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<v Speaker 7>other women is really intense. A lot of the time.

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<v Speaker 7>You're all trying to be the best, not just be

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<v Speaker 7>the best woman, but you're trying to be the best

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<v Speaker 7>so that the men think you're the best, because that's

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<v Speaker 7>what matters. And you know, men are the ones who

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<v Speaker 7>are always in charge of you. It's their opinion that

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<v Speaker 7>gets you promoted. So if you're falling short, I mean,

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<v Speaker 7>you're already doing one thing wrong because you're a woman,

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<v Speaker 7>so it's like you can't do two things wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>Dex was especially impressed with Sarah. She was somehow doing

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<v Speaker 1>all these really intense workouts while also dealing with what

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<v Speaker 1>seemed like a pretty serious leg in.

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<v Speaker 7>She also was taking injections of some kind, some type

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<v Speaker 7>of medication for her hip, and she was like telling us, like,

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<v Speaker 7>if she doesn't, you know, put this shot in her hip,

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<v Speaker 7>like her leg goes numb.

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<v Speaker 1>Because Sarah was so modest, because she didn't boast or

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<v Speaker 1>advertise about who she was and what she'd done, there

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<v Speaker 1>was an air of mystery about her. Sarah said she

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<v Speaker 1>was a crypto linguist. She'd served in both Iraq and Afghanistan.

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<v Speaker 1>She came from a military family. Her brother had been

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<v Speaker 1>a marine too. He was killed in combat and buried

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<v Speaker 1>at Arlington Cemetery. In private moments, Sarah began to open

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<v Speaker 1>up two decks.

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<v Speaker 7>She told me that she had been in a convoy

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<v Speaker 7>and her vehicle was hit by nid you know, the

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<v Speaker 7>humby blew up the door from the humphy like crushed

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<v Speaker 7>her hip, and somehow she was able to like get

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<v Speaker 7>out of the humby.

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<v Speaker 1>As Sarah told it, her hip never healed properly from

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<v Speaker 1>the knee down. Her leg was basically dying. But that's

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<v Speaker 1>not all.

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<v Speaker 7>Will sitting in the tent, she's about to leave or

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<v Speaker 7>we're talking, and she tells me that, like, she just

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<v Speaker 7>got diagnosed with stage four lung cancer. And I like

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<v Speaker 7>remembered this because she cried because I got up to

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<v Speaker 7>give her a hug.

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<v Speaker 6>So just a recap. Here's this woman, Sarah, who at

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<v Speaker 6>the time was just thirty years old, already a decorated

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<v Speaker 6>war veteran, strong, modest, whietly brave, sprinting down these mountain

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<v Speaker 6>trails and giving herself these injections to stem the pain.

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<v Speaker 6>And on top of it all, she also has stage

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<v Speaker 6>four lung cancer. Dex had to coax it out of

0:15:04.236 --> 0:15:09.076
<v Speaker 6>her because Sarah's story came out in dribs and drabs,

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<v Speaker 6>and it got more tragic incrementally, like a kettle on

0:15:14.276 --> 0:15:19.196
<v Speaker 6>a stove that heats up slowly until all of a

0:15:19.196 --> 0:15:40.116
<v Speaker 6>sudden it starts to boil. So the retreat in Montana

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<v Speaker 6>comes to an end, and the three Musketeers say goodbye

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<v Speaker 6>to one another, but they stay in touch. And this,

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<v Speaker 6>by the way, is exactly the goal of this program.

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<v Speaker 6>Veterans forming real bonds that last long after the campfire

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<v Speaker 6>goes out. A few months after the Montana Retreat, in

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<v Speaker 6>December of twenty twenty one, Dex happened to be in

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<v Speaker 6>Virginia visiting Arlington National Cemetery and suddenly Dex remembers that

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<v Speaker 6>Sarah's brother was a Marine who was killed in action.

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<v Speaker 6>So she sends Sarah a text and says she'd like

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<v Speaker 6>to lay a wreath at his grave. Within minutes, Sarah

0:16:19.876 --> 0:16:24.036
<v Speaker 6>texts back with a plot number. But when Dex gets

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<v Speaker 6>to the grave, she notices that this marine he has

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<v Speaker 6>a different last name than Sarah's, and when she looks

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<v Speaker 6>up his obituary, she sees that they're not even the

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<v Speaker 6>same race. When she sends Sarah a picture of the grave, though,

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<v Speaker 6>Sarah confirms that yes, this is him.

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<v Speaker 7>So I'm thinking, if he's not her actual physical brother,

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<v Speaker 7>I don't think she mentioned ever having an adopted brother,

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<v Speaker 7>And then I'm thinking maybe she just meant brother, like

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<v Speaker 7>in the colloquial where all Marines were brothers typeway, and

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<v Speaker 7>I was like, maybe that's it.

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<v Speaker 6>You can hear Dex trying to make sense of this,

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<v Speaker 6>but she said she didn't ask Sarah too many questions

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<v Speaker 6>about it.

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<v Speaker 7>That's kind of like if you had a friend that

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<v Speaker 7>told you that she'd had a miscarriage, the very last

0:17:19.836 --> 0:17:21.396
<v Speaker 7>thing that you're going to do to that friend while

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<v Speaker 7>she's crying about losing a baby is ask heurage that

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<v Speaker 7>actually happened. Like this is so insensitive. So I was

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<v Speaker 7>not going to ask this woman these questions because I

0:17:29.636 --> 0:17:31.556
<v Speaker 7>didn't want to be insensitive because we were friends.

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<v Speaker 6>So Dex just didn't say anything. Besides, at this point,

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<v Speaker 6>Sarah was fighting lung cancer and from time to time

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<v Speaker 6>she'd mentioned to Dex that her medical bills were piling up.

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<v Speaker 6>Now the VA wasn't covering everything, Dex wanted to help,

0:17:51.596 --> 0:17:55.076
<v Speaker 6>even from far away. That's when she heard about this

0:17:55.196 --> 0:17:59.996
<v Speaker 6>charity called Hunter seven. Hunter seven helps veterans who struggle

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<v Speaker 6>to pay their medical bills. The reality is many veterans

0:18:04.396 --> 0:18:08.116
<v Speaker 6>face huge gaps in the healthcare. The VA provides a

0:18:08.156 --> 0:18:13.036
<v Speaker 6>long wait time denied claims, and charities like Hunter seven

0:18:13.076 --> 0:18:17.276
<v Speaker 6>come in as a stopgap. So Dex tells Sarah she

0:18:17.316 --> 0:18:22.476
<v Speaker 6>should apply for financial assistance. At first, Sarah seemed reluctant.

0:18:23.276 --> 0:18:26.396
<v Speaker 6>Maybe she was just underwater with everything she had going on,

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<v Speaker 6>so Dex offered to step in and submit an application

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<v Speaker 6>for Sarah.

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<v Speaker 7>I was like, this is what I would do for

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<v Speaker 7>my friends, like especially a friend who's like struggling at

0:18:38.356 --> 0:18:41.356
<v Speaker 7>this level. I was like, I understood really clearly, like

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<v Speaker 7>having a million things going on and all of them

0:18:44.276 --> 0:18:47.596
<v Speaker 7>feeling very intent. So I was like, let me help

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<v Speaker 7>you out because I have a minute, and it's no

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<v Speaker 7>skin off my back to send an email.

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<v Speaker 6>She couldn't know this then, but this simple act of

0:18:56.396 --> 0:19:01.796
<v Speaker 6>kindness would set something in motion, something that would forever

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<v Speaker 6>alter the way Decks saw Sarah.

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<v Speaker 1>Remember Natalie, the third Musketeer from the Montana Retreat, the clarinetist. Yeah, well,

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<v Speaker 1>Natalie also stayed in touch with Sarah. In fact, right

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<v Speaker 1>around the time that Dex was visiting the cemetery in Arlington,

0:19:27.796 --> 0:19:31.076
<v Speaker 1>Natalie and Sarah were actually hanging out in person. A

0:19:31.116 --> 0:19:34.036
<v Speaker 1>bunch of vets, including a few from the Montana Retreat,

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<v Speaker 1>gathered at a CrossFit gym in California to have a

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<v Speaker 1>little competition. Well not so little, even for Natalie. It

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<v Speaker 1>was a lot.

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<v Speaker 11>There was one workout every hour on the hour for

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<v Speaker 11>eight hours. Just the grueling nature of eight hours worth

0:19:51.316 --> 0:19:54.276
<v Speaker 11>of workouts is enough to make most people go yeah, no,

0:19:54.356 --> 0:19:55.196
<v Speaker 11>I'm not doing that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, pretty insane. This was like an ultra marathon for weightlifters.

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<v Speaker 1>They broke down into teams of two. Now, at this point,

0:20:06.836 --> 0:20:10.676
<v Speaker 1>Natalie didn't know about Sarah's cancer her and this is

0:20:10.716 --> 0:20:14.316
<v Speaker 1>because Sarah had never told her. She just confided this

0:20:14.396 --> 0:20:18.436
<v Speaker 1>to Decks, which, as we've come to learn, is kind

0:20:18.436 --> 0:20:21.956
<v Speaker 1>of how Sarah operated. She shared details about her life

0:20:22.236 --> 0:20:26.236
<v Speaker 1>one on one in these small private moments, and so

0:20:26.316 --> 0:20:33.676
<v Speaker 1>the secrets remained compartmentalized. Natalie was aware that Sarah had

0:20:33.756 --> 0:20:36.916
<v Speaker 1>some issue with her leg, but that was about all.

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<v Speaker 1>Then in the middle of the competition, during one of

0:20:40.876 --> 0:20:45.476
<v Speaker 1>the breaks, they're all kind of just sitting around resting, Natalie,

0:20:45.596 --> 0:20:48.636
<v Speaker 1>her teammate, Sarah, her teammate.

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<v Speaker 11>All four of us are sitting on the floor together

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<v Speaker 11>and Sarah says.

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<v Speaker 8>That she's going to have to have her leg amputated.

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<v Speaker 11>And I was blown away, Like, you are in the

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<v Speaker 11>middle of doing an eight hour workout and you you

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<v Speaker 11>have to have your leg amputated.

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<v Speaker 8>It was absolutely unfathomable to me.

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<v Speaker 11>But I distinctly remember her saying, if I'm gonna have

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<v Speaker 11>to have my leg amputated, then I'm gonna make this bitch,

0:21:25.276 --> 0:21:28.996
<v Speaker 11>give me every last ounce of what it's got to give.

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<v Speaker 1>Natalie is looking at Sarah's leg and it's trembling, and

0:21:36.036 --> 0:21:38.836
<v Speaker 1>she thinks to herself, you are like.

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<v Speaker 11>A whole other level of badass ory than I have

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<v Speaker 11>ever known.

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<v Speaker 1>And the proof was Sarah's team then goes on to

0:21:47.556 --> 0:21:54.396
<v Speaker 1>beat Natalie's team in the competition, and Natalie she's in awe.

0:21:54.676 --> 0:21:57.636
<v Speaker 1>The two women went to another retreat together not long

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<v Speaker 1>after this, and it seemed like Sarah's leg was in

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<v Speaker 1>bad shape.

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<v Speaker 11>We did one workout where Sarah was having a really

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<v Speaker 11>hard time and like at the end of the workout,

0:22:12.436 --> 0:22:16.676
<v Speaker 11>her leg was shaking so badly, and she's like, Natalie,

0:22:16.716 --> 0:22:17.716
<v Speaker 11>will you please help me?

0:22:17.996 --> 0:22:19.436
<v Speaker 8>Can you please help me? Stretch?

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<v Speaker 11>I took her shaking leg and placed it up on

0:22:23.236 --> 0:22:26.476
<v Speaker 11>my shoulder and am holding her quad in one hand

0:22:26.476 --> 0:22:29.196
<v Speaker 11>and her foot up here and kind of leaning in

0:22:29.276 --> 0:22:32.356
<v Speaker 11>and I'm talking her through, like breathe into the muscle,

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<v Speaker 11>like take some breast exhale slowly, picture your leg relaxing,

0:22:36.996 --> 0:22:43.716
<v Speaker 11>and just remember her like having this moment of her

0:22:43.956 --> 0:22:47.876
<v Speaker 11>leg finally relaxing, and this is the leg that she's

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<v Speaker 11>supposed to have amputated and feeling some sense of gratitude

0:22:53.676 --> 0:22:57.596
<v Speaker 11>that I could help somebody in that situation to have

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<v Speaker 11>some kind of relief.

0:23:01.436 --> 0:23:05.156
<v Speaker 1>Looking back, Natalie still recalls the intensity of this moment

0:23:05.276 --> 0:23:09.476
<v Speaker 1>with Sarah, the tenseness of her hamstring, the trend and

0:23:09.476 --> 0:23:13.836
<v Speaker 1>her muscles, the pain on Sarah's face. It all seems

0:23:13.876 --> 0:23:20.756
<v Speaker 1>so real. In the coming weeks, Natalie texted Sarah about

0:23:20.756 --> 0:23:24.276
<v Speaker 1>the amputation to see if it had been scheduled, and

0:23:24.516 --> 0:23:28.916
<v Speaker 1>Sarah eventually gave her a date, January twenty sixth. The

0:23:29.036 --> 0:23:32.436
<v Speaker 1>date sticks in Natalie's mind. She keeps thinking about it

0:23:32.596 --> 0:23:36.596
<v Speaker 1>as it draws closer, and then the night before the surgery,

0:23:37.356 --> 0:23:43.036
<v Speaker 1>Natalie can't sleep. She just keeps thinking about Sarah.

0:23:41.756 --> 0:23:45.316
<v Speaker 11>And like, I'm so genuinely worried about her that in

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<v Speaker 11>the middle of the night, I wake up and I

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<v Speaker 11>the first thing I think of is I must be

0:23:49.196 --> 0:23:52.196
<v Speaker 11>waking up because I've got to pray for Sarah.

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<v Speaker 8>I should text her and let her know that I'm praying.

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<v Speaker 8>And so I text out my prayer to her and

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<v Speaker 8>send it to her.

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<v Speaker 1>I asked Natalie to read me that text.

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<v Speaker 8>January twenty sixth, twenty twenty two. A prayer for you

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<v Speaker 8>today is what I wrote, God, thank you for Sarah.

0:24:10.716 --> 0:24:16.996
<v Speaker 8>Thank you for her intelligence, kindness, humor, bravery, courage, and

0:24:17.076 --> 0:24:20.276
<v Speaker 8>service to the United States, and for her gift of friendship.

0:24:21.236 --> 0:24:23.436
<v Speaker 8>I pray that you will give her and her family

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<v Speaker 8>a deep sense of peace today, even as she is

0:24:26.756 --> 0:24:31.396
<v Speaker 8>under anesthesia, though she already has such a deep sense

0:24:32.196 --> 0:24:35.996
<v Speaker 8>of drive and determination, Pour into her an extra dose

0:24:36.116 --> 0:24:40.596
<v Speaker 8>of perseverance and purpose. Heal her body Lord from this

0:24:40.916 --> 0:24:42.556
<v Speaker 8>and all illness and disease.

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<v Speaker 1>Did she write anything back?

0:24:48.236 --> 0:24:50.996
<v Speaker 8>She wrote, thank you so much. I can't tell you

0:24:51.036 --> 0:24:51.956
<v Speaker 8>what this means to me.

0:24:55.196 --> 0:24:59.236
<v Speaker 1>The next day, Natalie shot Sarah another text to see

0:24:59.276 --> 0:25:04.516
<v Speaker 1>how the surgery went, and Sarah explained that they had

0:25:04.556 --> 0:25:05.996
<v Speaker 1>to call off the amputation.

0:25:06.916 --> 0:25:12.316
<v Speaker 11>She said that when she was going into her surgery

0:25:12.436 --> 0:25:19.276
<v Speaker 11>that her blood pressure had dropped and they couldn't They

0:25:19.276 --> 0:25:21.796
<v Speaker 11>weren't able to perform the surgery because of that, and

0:25:21.796 --> 0:25:23.356
<v Speaker 11>I remember thinking at the time.

0:25:23.236 --> 0:25:25.316
<v Speaker 8>Like, that's really weird. You would think that if you're

0:25:25.356 --> 0:25:26.156
<v Speaker 8>going to go have your.

0:25:26.116 --> 0:25:30.236
<v Speaker 11>Leg cut off, that your blood pressure would be sky high.

0:25:30.676 --> 0:25:33.436
<v Speaker 11>The next day, I was like trying to reach out

0:25:33.476 --> 0:25:36.316
<v Speaker 11>to her, but thinking that she's still in the hospital

0:25:36.876 --> 0:25:38.716
<v Speaker 11>and it's in the middle.

0:25:38.476 --> 0:25:40.516
<v Speaker 8>Of me trying to get a hold of her.

0:25:41.076 --> 0:25:45.916
<v Speaker 11>Then I receive a message from Tom through WhatsApp.

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<v Speaker 1>That guy, she mentions Tom, that's Tom Schumann. He's the

0:25:51.316 --> 0:25:55.236
<v Speaker 1>founder of Patrol Base ABATA, the nonprofit that organized those

0:25:55.236 --> 0:26:00.116
<v Speaker 1>retreats up in Montana. Tom also knew Sarah, and now

0:26:00.396 --> 0:26:02.996
<v Speaker 1>he was texting with an urgent message.

0:26:03.156 --> 0:26:07.116
<v Speaker 8>And he's like, Hey, Sarah is not who she says

0:26:07.116 --> 0:26:07.476
<v Speaker 8>she is.

0:26:09.316 --> 0:26:12.156
<v Speaker 1>Tom says that Sarah has been lying about a number

0:26:12.236 --> 0:26:14.716
<v Speaker 1>of things, and that she may have lied about her

0:26:14.716 --> 0:26:19.276
<v Speaker 1>military service. Natalie didn't know who or what to believe.

0:26:20.316 --> 0:26:24.556
<v Speaker 11>I specifically asked Tom like how do you know this?

0:26:24.916 --> 0:26:27.476
<v Speaker 11>Because now I'm questioning him like why would you even

0:26:27.516 --> 0:26:29.796
<v Speaker 11>say something like that, Like how do you?

0:26:29.836 --> 0:26:30.196
<v Speaker 5>How do you?

0:26:30.516 --> 0:26:31.556
<v Speaker 8>How do you know for sure?

0:26:33.156 --> 0:26:36.956
<v Speaker 1>But it turns out Tom had his reasons. In the

0:26:36.996 --> 0:26:39.956
<v Speaker 1>weeks leading up to this moment, he'd been digging into

0:26:39.956 --> 0:26:44.716
<v Speaker 1>Sarah's story and he discovered a few red flags, some

0:26:44.836 --> 0:26:48.516
<v Speaker 1>things that just didn't add up. More on that.

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<v Speaker 6>After the break, Tom Schumann first met Sarah Kavanaugh in

0:27:08.396 --> 0:27:12.356
<v Speaker 6>the snowy mountains of Boulder, Colorado, at a Patrol Base

0:27:12.396 --> 0:27:13.436
<v Speaker 6>of Bate retreat.

0:27:17.036 --> 0:27:20.876
<v Speaker 5>We're staying in a canvas tence. It was an intimate

0:27:20.916 --> 0:27:24.156
<v Speaker 5>setting where we're spending all day night, which is a

0:27:24.156 --> 0:27:27.916
<v Speaker 5>small group of people. We connected over our intellectual and

0:27:28.036 --> 0:27:33.556
<v Speaker 5>academic and literature interests, had read the same books, talking

0:27:33.556 --> 0:27:37.676
<v Speaker 5>about the same authors. Pretty immediately we started hitting it off.

0:27:38.836 --> 0:27:41.276
<v Speaker 6>This retreat was similar to the one in Montana we

0:27:41.356 --> 0:27:47.036
<v Speaker 6>told you about. Hang out, workout, talk, connect. That was

0:27:47.076 --> 0:27:50.956
<v Speaker 6>the goal. That's why Tom founded Pibiabaate in the first place.

0:27:51.716 --> 0:27:55.116
<v Speaker 6>He's a marine and when he returned from his tours overseas,

0:27:55.636 --> 0:27:58.836
<v Speaker 6>he watched his comrade struggle. He told us three of

0:27:58.876 --> 0:28:01.876
<v Speaker 6>his fellow marines died by suicide over the course of

0:28:01.916 --> 0:28:05.796
<v Speaker 6>one month, and that is what led him to start Pibiabaate.

0:28:07.156 --> 0:28:10.076
<v Speaker 6>In Colorado, Tom and s started to get to know

0:28:10.116 --> 0:28:13.636
<v Speaker 6>each other. Sarah told him she was a professor, which

0:28:13.636 --> 0:28:17.116
<v Speaker 6>appealed to him. Tom himself taught literature at the US

0:28:17.196 --> 0:28:20.556
<v Speaker 6>Naval Academy. Sarah also told him that she had a

0:28:20.676 --> 0:28:24.356
<v Speaker 6>kid who just crashed her pickup truck. She seemed down

0:28:24.356 --> 0:28:26.356
<v Speaker 6>to earth and genuine.

0:28:26.676 --> 0:28:29.556
<v Speaker 5>Within the first twenty four hours, I felt like we

0:28:29.916 --> 0:28:34.716
<v Speaker 5>had bonded, and then throughout the weekend there were a

0:28:34.716 --> 0:28:38.956
<v Speaker 5>couple of experiences that solidified that bond and strengthen it.

0:28:40.116 --> 0:28:42.236
<v Speaker 6>On the last day of this retreat, a guy named

0:28:42.236 --> 0:28:46.396
<v Speaker 6>Brian Shantash led them on an adventure workout. Shantash is

0:28:46.436 --> 0:28:49.876
<v Speaker 6>a former marine and a leadership guru famed for his

0:28:49.916 --> 0:28:54.716
<v Speaker 6>wilderness programs, and his workouts have a reputation for pushing

0:28:54.756 --> 0:28:59.436
<v Speaker 6>people to their limits. So everyone, even Tom, was nervous.

0:28:59.876 --> 0:29:01.676
<v Speaker 6>They were told to break down into teams of two.

0:29:02.196 --> 0:29:03.796
<v Speaker 6>Sarah and Tom partnered up.

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<v Speaker 5>And one of the things that you had to do

0:29:09.316 --> 0:29:15.956
<v Speaker 5>was drag a weighted sled up the mountain and back.

0:29:16.516 --> 0:29:20.436
<v Speaker 5>A couple different times. You dragged this on a mile loop.

0:29:21.516 --> 0:29:24.676
<v Speaker 6>They get to it, they start pushing this weighted sled

0:29:24.956 --> 0:29:27.316
<v Speaker 6>up the mountain and then back down the mountain on

0:29:27.396 --> 0:29:31.716
<v Speaker 6>this mile long loop, again and again and again. And

0:29:31.876 --> 0:29:36.076
<v Speaker 6>remember this is the Rockies in December, so it's freezing

0:29:36.756 --> 0:29:39.196
<v Speaker 6>and the wind is whipping them as they trudge through.

0:29:40.596 --> 0:29:43.956
<v Speaker 5>I just really respected this, this gal who was apparently

0:29:44.196 --> 0:29:48.716
<v Speaker 5>very valorous in combat, still dealing with her injuries from combat,

0:29:49.796 --> 0:29:51.916
<v Speaker 5>toughing it out on the side of the mountain, and

0:29:51.956 --> 0:29:55.756
<v Speaker 5>so I admired that she was being what I felt like,

0:29:55.796 --> 0:29:58.516
<v Speaker 5>pretty courageous through the event.

0:29:59.796 --> 0:30:03.236
<v Speaker 6>Tom's not a very effusive guy, so this is basically

0:30:03.276 --> 0:30:06.076
<v Speaker 6>his version of gushing. He didn't know about all of

0:30:06.076 --> 0:30:10.756
<v Speaker 6>Sarah's health issues, the cancer and the leg amputa. Sarah

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<v Speaker 6>had never told him about this, though he would soon

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<v Speaker 6>find out.

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<v Speaker 1>Within a few weeks. Tom hears about Sarah's cancer, then

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<v Speaker 1>he feels like he's got to do something.

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<v Speaker 5>I am a guy of action. I reached out to

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<v Speaker 5>her and I said, hey, I didn't know you were sick.

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<v Speaker 5>We should meet soon to see if I can I

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<v Speaker 5>can help, if there's anything that I can do.

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<v Speaker 1>At the time, Tom lived in Rhode Island, where Sarah

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<v Speaker 1>also lived, so they met up for coffee and talked

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<v Speaker 1>for hours. He learned how she'd seen combat in Afghanistan,

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<v Speaker 1>how our convoy was blown up, and how she'd been

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<v Speaker 1>seriously hurt in the blast, and how despite it all,

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<v Speaker 1>she still managed to save some of the guys in

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<v Speaker 1>her patrol, dragging them to safety even with her own

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<v Speaker 1>crushed hip. How she got in a Bronze Star for

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<v Speaker 1>her bravery, and now she had cancer in her lungs

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<v Speaker 1>because of the toxic chemicals and that explosion.

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<v Speaker 5>It seemed incurable, that it was terminal. The VA wasn't

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<v Speaker 5>helping because she couldn't prove that the cancer was combat related.

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<v Speaker 5>I was just like, goodness, gracious, like everything that you've

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<v Speaker 5>been through, from your injuries to the cancer, to gonna

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<v Speaker 5>lose your leg, the amount of tragedy that in trauma,

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<v Speaker 5>and I just resolved in that moment like I am

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<v Speaker 5>gonna do everything that I can do to help you.

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<v Speaker 5>And what do you need? And she needed employment. She

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<v Speaker 5>said she didn't have a very good job.

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<v Speaker 1>She told Tom that her plan had been to get

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<v Speaker 1>a PhD in English literature. She'd even been accepted into

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<v Speaker 1>a program at Johns Hopkins, but then the VIA delivered

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<v Speaker 1>some shattering news. They told her that she couldn't use

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<v Speaker 1>her GI bill why because her life expectancy was shorter

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<v Speaker 1>than the time it would take to finish the program.

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<v Speaker 1>It was devastating, all of it. Tom, being a guy

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<v Speaker 1>of action, was like, maybe I can create a salaried

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<v Speaker 1>position for you at Patrol Basabat. At the time, the

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<v Speaker 1>organization was run entirely by volunteers. There were no paid positions,

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<v Speaker 1>but the organization did have donors, some with deep pockets,

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<v Speaker 1>and Tom thought maybe one of them would be willing

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<v Speaker 1>to pay for this tom even had a particular donor

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<v Speaker 1>in mind, a woman who lived up in New Hampshire.

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<v Speaker 6>So he wants to get all his ducks in a row.

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<v Speaker 6>He asks Sarah for a copy of her DD two fourteen.

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<v Speaker 6>That's the official military discharge paper that all service members receive,

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<v Speaker 6>explaining how and when they left the service. Sarah sends

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<v Speaker 6>him the paperwork. He says he remembers vividly the moment

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<v Speaker 6>he received it. He was sitting in his car in

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<v Speaker 6>a parking lot about to get a haircut. He starts

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<v Speaker 6>scanning through the documents on his phone and something catches

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<v Speaker 6>his eye. The D two fourteen says Sarah retired as

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<v Speaker 6>a corporal, which is weird because she'd made it all

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<v Speaker 6>the way up to staff sergeant. In fact, he'd seen

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<v Speaker 6>a picture of her with the staff sergeant insignia. So

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<v Speaker 6>he calls her.

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<v Speaker 5>Up and so I just said, hey, Sarah, I'm going

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<v Speaker 5>to New Hampshire tomorrow to ask for sixty thousand dollars.

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<v Speaker 5>Before I do that, could you help me understand why

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<v Speaker 5>it says that you're a corporal here. And she's like, well,

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<v Speaker 5>I didn't really want to get into all that, but

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<v Speaker 5>I was sexually assaulted on ship by the commanding officer.

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<v Speaker 5>He had pulled the gun during the sexual assault, and

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<v Speaker 5>I'm the one who got punished for reporting him. I said, like,

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<v Speaker 5>I'm sorry to hear that, but I am now incredulous

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<v Speaker 5>about all this.

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<v Speaker 6>Suddenly, Sarah's whole story, with all its drama and all

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<v Speaker 6>its heroics, is feeling very shaky. Tom knew he needed

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<v Speaker 6>back up, so he reached out to a friend who

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<v Speaker 6>had access to personnel records. The friend, he punches in

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<v Speaker 6>Sarah's DoD number, the military equivalent of a Social Security number,

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<v Speaker 6>does some more digging. That friend gets back to Tom

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<v Speaker 6>with what he's found, and.

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<v Speaker 5>He said, the Dodd number for this D two fourteen

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<v Speaker 5>belongs to a corporal so and so, and it's a guy.

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<v Speaker 5>And he's like, fifty percent of this document is his record.

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<v Speaker 5>Then fifty percent of this document is altered.

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<v Speaker 6>It looks like she'd taken someone else's records and doctorate them,

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<v Speaker 6>inserting her own name and other details. And this, by

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<v Speaker 6>the way, it's not a small thing. This isn't forging

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<v Speaker 6>your mom's name on a sick note. This is a

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<v Speaker 6>huge deal, felony level huge. Tom is in a state

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<v Speaker 6>of shock.

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<v Speaker 5>That's like, uh yeah, that was I mean that that

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<v Speaker 5>was it. Like at that point, I'm like, I've been bamboozled, hoodwinked.

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<v Speaker 6>Tom goes home and tells his wife.

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<v Speaker 8>His wife, she's pissed.

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<v Speaker 6>She knows how hard Tom has been working for this woman,

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<v Speaker 6>trying to help her, and now she seems to be

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<v Speaker 6>a fraud. She's like, not my watch. So she goes

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<v Speaker 6>over in person and reports this whole thing to NCIS.

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<v Speaker 6>That's the Naval Criminal Investigative Service. Maybe you've seen the

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<v Speaker 6>TV show. They're the badass investigators for the US Navy

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<v Speaker 6>and Marine Corps. Anyway, the NCIS folks, they're like, okay,

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<v Speaker 6>we'll look into this.

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<v Speaker 1>Around this same time, something else very important happens. Remember

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<v Speaker 1>how Dex, the friend from the Montana Retreat, tried to

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<v Speaker 1>help Sarah with her medical bills, how she contacted a

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<v Speaker 1>charity called Hunter seven. Well, that charity had also started

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<v Speaker 1>digging into Sarah's backstory, and what they discovered prompted them

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<v Speaker 1>to alert both Tom and the FBI. But what no

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<v Speaker 1>one realized, not Tom or Dex or NCIS or even

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<v Speaker 1>the FBI, was just how deep this deception went. None

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<v Speaker 1>of them could begin to fathom it lies tend to

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<v Speaker 1>be fragile, temperamental things. Small ones may flourish, but the

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<v Speaker 1>big ones die, wilting under their own weight. Except in

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<v Speaker 1>this case, the bigger it grew, the more real it became.

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<v Speaker 6>This season is about a betrayal writ large, a deception

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<v Speaker 6>that played out over the course of more than six years,

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<v Speaker 6>not just in Montana, but in Colorado and Texas and Tennessee,

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<v Speaker 6>California and Rhode Island too.

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<v Speaker 1>To this day, much of this story is shrouded in mystery.

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<v Speaker 1>There's no detailed public record of what really happened. What's more,

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<v Speaker 1>most of the people caught up in all of this

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<v Speaker 1>haven't spoken publicly or even to each other, so the

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<v Speaker 1>story itself remains compartmentalized, like room was in a mansion

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<v Speaker 1>with no doors between them. Jess and I have spent

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<v Speaker 1>the last year or so finding our way into these

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<v Speaker 1>rooms and listening coming up this season on Deep Cover.

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<v Speaker 7>I remember sitting on her couch and like me like

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<v Speaker 7>telling her, asking her is this real?

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<v Speaker 8>Is this real?

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<v Speaker 5>Is this real? Is this real?

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<v Speaker 7>I was like, wait, wait, were you ever in the military.

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<v Speaker 13>I just couldn't brought my head around what kind of

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<v Speaker 13>person would do that to another person, especially that was

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<v Speaker 13>you knew was sick, that was getting treatment, that was

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<v Speaker 13>you know, dying.

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<v Speaker 3>I've seen a lot of stuff over thirty years, and

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<v Speaker 3>this ranks right up there in the pantheon of Rhode

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<v Speaker 3>Island fraudsters.

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<v Speaker 8>Can you introduce yourself.

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<v Speaker 10>Kavanaugh, and I'm originally from Rhode Island. I can see

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<v Speaker 10>where in some ways it can fit this aspect of

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<v Speaker 10>like this huge plan to get all this money, like

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<v Speaker 10>this master plan or something, but I never thought about

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<v Speaker 10>it like that.

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<v Speaker 1>Deep Cover The Truth About Sarah was produced by Amy

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<v Speaker 1>Gaines McQuaid and Tally Emlyn. Additional production support by Sonya Gerwick.

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<v Speaker 6>Our show is edited by Karen Chakerjee. Our executs producer

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<v Speaker 6>Flanagan and Greta Cone. Additional thanks to Vicky Merrick.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Jess McHugh and I'm Jake Halpert. My co host

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<v Speaker 1>Jess McHugh is currently researching a book on female con artists,