1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:03,360 Speaker 1: They didn't smear Devers, they didn't really go after him. 2 00:00:03,440 --> 00:00:05,960 Speaker 1: They kind of just explained that they didn't think it 3 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:16,360 Speaker 1: was the healthiest of situations. Oh what a week. 4 00:00:16,440 --> 00:00:19,360 Speaker 2: Let's hit the inside Scoop with FT senior insider Ken Rosenthal. 5 00:00:19,520 --> 00:00:22,440 Speaker 2: First off, I encourage everyone to check out Fair Territory, 6 00:00:22,520 --> 00:00:24,920 Speaker 2: the fresh episode from Monday to get Ken's thoughts on 7 00:00:24,960 --> 00:00:28,159 Speaker 2: the Rothfield Ever situation. But part two here, Ken, is 8 00:00:28,200 --> 00:00:30,920 Speaker 2: what you wrote about after that show. So let's start 9 00:00:30,960 --> 00:00:34,239 Speaker 2: there and go over your article, which includes comments from 10 00:00:34,320 --> 00:00:36,800 Speaker 2: David Ortiz. What did he say and what stood out 11 00:00:36,840 --> 00:00:37,000 Speaker 2: to you. 12 00:00:38,200 --> 00:00:42,279 Speaker 1: The essence of what he said was that Raphaeld Devers, 13 00:00:42,320 --> 00:00:44,320 Speaker 1: he got paid and he has to do what his 14 00:00:44,360 --> 00:00:47,040 Speaker 1: bosses say. That's kind of what the essence was, and 15 00:00:47,080 --> 00:00:50,280 Speaker 1: he explained the greater length it wasn't quite that simple. 16 00:00:50,840 --> 00:00:55,120 Speaker 1: That ego comes into play in situations like this, and 17 00:00:55,160 --> 00:00:58,800 Speaker 1: he's been through himself, and he didn't believe the Red 18 00:00:58,800 --> 00:01:01,400 Speaker 1: Sox were blameless and keep mind or Tease works for 19 00:01:01,400 --> 00:01:03,960 Speaker 1: the Red Sox. He's a special assistant to the Fenway 20 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:07,720 Speaker 1: Sports Group. But what he said was that obviously the 21 00:01:07,760 --> 00:01:10,200 Speaker 1: situation got to a point where it had to end. 22 00:01:10,240 --> 00:01:13,720 Speaker 1: The way it did, and he just kind of pointed 23 00:01:13,720 --> 00:01:16,600 Speaker 1: out that you need to be the word to use, 24 00:01:16,760 --> 00:01:19,759 Speaker 1: was mature enough to deal with these kinds of things. 25 00:01:19,920 --> 00:01:23,360 Speaker 1: And he also mentioned that he was a dh and 26 00:01:23,440 --> 00:01:25,919 Speaker 1: he played first base, and he did whatever the team asked, 27 00:01:26,720 --> 00:01:30,120 Speaker 1: and he learned to get through the difficult times. He said. 28 00:01:30,160 --> 00:01:32,479 Speaker 1: It wasn't always flowers and roses with the Red Sox 29 00:01:32,560 --> 00:01:35,840 Speaker 1: during his fourteen years there, but for the most part 30 00:01:36,080 --> 00:01:40,200 Speaker 1: he did endure. And obviously he ended up finishing his 31 00:01:40,280 --> 00:01:43,200 Speaker 1: career with the team and of course now working for 32 00:01:43,280 --> 00:01:47,160 Speaker 1: the team in what has been described as a forever capacity. 33 00:01:47,680 --> 00:01:51,560 Speaker 1: So Ortez was not ripping devors, but what he was 34 00:01:51,600 --> 00:01:55,080 Speaker 1: saying was, you've got to have a different approach if 35 00:01:55,160 --> 00:01:57,240 Speaker 1: you want to kind of stay in one place. And 36 00:01:57,960 --> 00:01:59,080 Speaker 1: it didn't happen that way. 37 00:02:00,240 --> 00:02:02,560 Speaker 3: Ken, I listen, I played with David from a ball 38 00:02:02,600 --> 00:02:04,360 Speaker 3: all the way up, played with them on the Twins, 39 00:02:04,360 --> 00:02:05,560 Speaker 3: played with them on the Red Sox. 40 00:02:05,640 --> 00:02:06,640 Speaker 4: Was there for a. 41 00:02:06,600 --> 00:02:09,400 Speaker 3: Lot of ups and downs of his He works for 42 00:02:09,480 --> 00:02:12,040 Speaker 3: the Red Sox. That's it, that's the story. 43 00:02:12,280 --> 00:02:13,600 Speaker 1: He listen. 44 00:02:13,680 --> 00:02:16,760 Speaker 3: You know something's going on. David loves the Dominican Republic. 45 00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:19,000 Speaker 3: When he takes shots at a Dominican guy over the 46 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:22,200 Speaker 3: Red Sox. Listen, he knows where his butt bread is buttered, 47 00:02:22,240 --> 00:02:25,320 Speaker 3: as the saying goes, so listen. I appreciate he tried 48 00:02:25,320 --> 00:02:27,200 Speaker 3: to walk the line. But at the end of the day, 49 00:02:27,320 --> 00:02:30,080 Speaker 3: David Ortiz and I love you, David, but you're gonna 50 00:02:30,080 --> 00:02:31,919 Speaker 3: sign with the Red Sox. There's a lot of things 51 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:34,520 Speaker 3: the Red Sox have done for David Ortiz, not on 52 00:02:34,560 --> 00:02:37,920 Speaker 3: the baseball field, which is why he's an employee there 53 00:02:37,960 --> 00:02:40,320 Speaker 3: for life. As he says, and I get it, he's 54 00:02:40,320 --> 00:02:42,639 Speaker 3: a franchise icon. He's done all these things. He's in 55 00:02:42,760 --> 00:02:44,880 Speaker 3: all the Hall of Fame. He you know, he hit 56 00:02:44,919 --> 00:02:47,280 Speaker 3: home runs, he gave the speech in twenty thirteen for 57 00:02:47,320 --> 00:02:50,680 Speaker 3: after the bombing. But the least surprising thing of this 58 00:02:50,919 --> 00:02:52,520 Speaker 3: is that he sided with the Red Sox. 59 00:02:52,600 --> 00:02:56,480 Speaker 1: I mean he has to, all right, AJ. In the 60 00:02:56,480 --> 00:02:59,160 Speaker 1: first paragraph of the story, actually the first sentence of 61 00:02:59,200 --> 00:03:01,400 Speaker 1: the story, I mention that he works for the Red Sox. 62 00:03:01,520 --> 00:03:04,200 Speaker 1: The whole thing has to be colored with that information. 63 00:03:04,280 --> 00:03:07,520 Speaker 1: I knew that. That said, he's still a David Ortiz, 64 00:03:07,639 --> 00:03:10,000 Speaker 1: he's still a Hall of Famer. And as he pointed out, 65 00:03:10,720 --> 00:03:12,760 Speaker 1: I don't just work for the Red Sox. I played 66 00:03:12,760 --> 00:03:16,520 Speaker 1: for the Red Sox for fourteen years, and if you're 67 00:03:16,560 --> 00:03:19,600 Speaker 1: saying his opinion is invalid, I would challenge that. 68 00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:22,640 Speaker 3: Yes, I'm not saying that Ken, I'm not saying he 69 00:03:22,720 --> 00:03:24,760 Speaker 3: has to be actor good. 70 00:03:24,919 --> 00:03:26,520 Speaker 4: No, I'm not saying it's invalid at all. 71 00:03:26,560 --> 00:03:28,760 Speaker 3: I'm just saying that, like when we I know you 72 00:03:28,800 --> 00:03:30,639 Speaker 3: wrote the article, but I want people out there that 73 00:03:30,680 --> 00:03:34,200 Speaker 3: didn't read the article that say, like, listen, I love David. 74 00:03:34,400 --> 00:03:36,280 Speaker 3: David's a good friend of mine. I've known him for 75 00:03:36,360 --> 00:03:40,520 Speaker 3: twenty five years. But you have to start and finish 76 00:03:40,600 --> 00:03:42,600 Speaker 3: with he works for the Red Sox. He's still being 77 00:03:42,600 --> 00:03:45,440 Speaker 3: paid by the Red Sox, and someone that didn't toe 78 00:03:45,480 --> 00:03:47,640 Speaker 3: the line with another organization was let go. 79 00:03:48,720 --> 00:03:49,240 Speaker 4: I get it. 80 00:03:50,520 --> 00:03:52,600 Speaker 1: I started the article that way. I believe I said 81 00:03:52,640 --> 00:03:56,240 Speaker 1: that when I came on today. Obviously everything he said 82 00:03:56,320 --> 00:03:58,640 Speaker 1: has to be colored by the fact that he works 83 00:03:58,640 --> 00:04:00,920 Speaker 1: for the Red Sox. But the other thing about this 84 00:04:01,120 --> 00:04:04,120 Speaker 1: is his opinion is one that a lot of people share. 85 00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:07,840 Speaker 1: How can this three hundred million dollar player not be 86 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:10,400 Speaker 1: with the program, not do with the team? Asked Now, 87 00:04:10,720 --> 00:04:15,160 Speaker 1: as I've written elsewhere, I don't share that opinion entirely. Yes, 88 00:04:15,280 --> 00:04:18,520 Speaker 1: Dever's made mistakes here. Yes, he should have acted, perhaps 89 00:04:18,520 --> 00:04:22,120 Speaker 1: in a different way. This all started when they failed 90 00:04:22,120 --> 00:04:25,920 Speaker 1: to include him in the communication when they were going 91 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:28,760 Speaker 1: after Bregman. That's how it all started. And they turned 92 00:04:28,760 --> 00:04:32,000 Speaker 1: a kid who was not a kid anymore. He's twenty eight, 93 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:35,000 Speaker 1: but they turned a player who they've known since he 94 00:04:35,120 --> 00:04:37,680 Speaker 1: was sixteen, who has always had a reputation as kind 95 00:04:37,680 --> 00:04:40,920 Speaker 1: of a sweet guy into somewhat of a sour puss. 96 00:04:41,320 --> 00:04:45,040 Speaker 1: And that is on them and this whole situation that 97 00:04:45,120 --> 00:04:48,320 Speaker 1: they determined they had to rectify because of course he 98 00:04:48,440 --> 00:04:50,720 Speaker 1: was going to pollute the minds of their young players. 99 00:04:51,440 --> 00:04:56,520 Speaker 1: That's on them too. They initiated this with their actions, 100 00:04:56,520 --> 00:04:59,080 Speaker 1: with their lack of communication, and that is one thing 101 00:04:59,120 --> 00:05:01,359 Speaker 1: that ortiz it knowledge that there was a lack of 102 00:05:01,360 --> 00:05:03,919 Speaker 1: communication here quite obviously. I mean, it doesn't take a 103 00:05:03,960 --> 00:05:08,440 Speaker 1: genius to figure that out. But to me, this is 104 00:05:08,520 --> 00:05:10,680 Speaker 1: as much, if not more, on the Red Sox than 105 00:05:10,760 --> 00:05:14,279 Speaker 1: it is Ralphael Devers. 106 00:05:13,960 --> 00:05:17,320 Speaker 2: Hey Ken, just to double down on that with Poppy, 107 00:05:17,839 --> 00:05:20,440 Speaker 2: do you feel like he was critical enough about the 108 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:22,919 Speaker 2: communication process. I mean I saw the quotes I know 109 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:24,800 Speaker 2: he mentioned like oh it kind of was like, oh 110 00:05:24,839 --> 00:05:27,800 Speaker 2: it wasn't smooth sailing in the beginning, I would have 111 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:29,680 Speaker 2: I don't know. I want to hear more from him, 112 00:05:29,720 --> 00:05:32,640 Speaker 2: Like if he was in that exact scenario, prime of 113 00:05:32,680 --> 00:05:35,279 Speaker 2: your career, DA show up to camp, they say, throw 114 00:05:35,320 --> 00:05:37,799 Speaker 2: your glove away, we don't want you playing defense anymore, 115 00:05:37,800 --> 00:05:40,400 Speaker 2: which is not that is there? 116 00:05:40,480 --> 00:05:40,680 Speaker 1: Right? 117 00:05:40,760 --> 00:05:43,719 Speaker 2: That's okay? I mean, hey, for me, Ken, we talked 118 00:05:43,720 --> 00:05:45,040 Speaker 2: about this in the off season. I'm like, I want 119 00:05:45,040 --> 00:05:47,320 Speaker 2: Bregman and I want Devers out of third base. He 120 00:05:47,480 --> 00:05:50,080 Speaker 2: was potentially the worst third baseman defensively in the league. 121 00:05:50,360 --> 00:05:53,120 Speaker 2: And I don't think Raffie's stupid. So if you do 122 00:05:53,240 --> 00:05:55,000 Speaker 2: make that decision and you tell him that and you 123 00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:57,640 Speaker 2: say throw your glove away, which is essentially what they said, 124 00:05:57,920 --> 00:05:59,560 Speaker 2: I feel like Poppy had a pretty big ego. He 125 00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:00,960 Speaker 2: would have been I'm pretty pissed. 126 00:06:02,760 --> 00:06:06,160 Speaker 1: Well, he did say, as I mentioned before, that he 127 00:06:06,400 --> 00:06:08,839 Speaker 1: was in sort of the same situation. It was largely 128 00:06:08,880 --> 00:06:11,440 Speaker 1: a DH but when they asked them to play first base, 129 00:06:11,520 --> 00:06:15,200 Speaker 1: he did so. I didn't ask him if you were 130 00:06:15,279 --> 00:06:18,039 Speaker 1: Ralphield Devers in the exact same situation, how would you 131 00:06:18,080 --> 00:06:20,880 Speaker 1: have reacted. I did not ask that question. But when 132 00:06:20,960 --> 00:06:23,440 Speaker 1: he answered the other question that way. I think we 133 00:06:23,560 --> 00:06:26,640 Speaker 1: had our answer, and I think he answered other questions 134 00:06:26,720 --> 00:06:28,760 Speaker 1: in other ways. And the quotes are in the article 135 00:06:28,960 --> 00:06:31,960 Speaker 1: where you can see he would not have reacted the 136 00:06:31,960 --> 00:06:35,520 Speaker 1: way Devers did. Now that's his right and absolutely if 137 00:06:35,520 --> 00:06:38,479 Speaker 1: he had been in that situation. It's always easy for 138 00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:41,719 Speaker 1: us on the outside, including David Ortiz in this particular case, 139 00:06:42,160 --> 00:06:46,599 Speaker 1: to have a particular opinion, but when you're living it, 140 00:06:46,600 --> 00:06:50,680 Speaker 1: it's different. And again, no one is suggesting here that 141 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:54,719 Speaker 1: Devers is above reproach that what he did was just great. 142 00:06:55,080 --> 00:06:58,760 Speaker 1: It wasn't great, but there were reasons he acted the 143 00:06:58,760 --> 00:07:02,320 Speaker 1: way he did. And this is a team or tease 144 00:07:02,360 --> 00:07:03,640 Speaker 1: did make this point to me. I don't know if 145 00:07:03,640 --> 00:07:05,680 Speaker 1: it made the article or not. They should have known 146 00:07:05,839 --> 00:07:08,040 Speaker 1: he would react the way he did. This is a 147 00:07:08,120 --> 00:07:11,280 Speaker 1: kid that they know forever. He was signed at sixteen. 148 00:07:11,760 --> 00:07:16,480 Speaker 1: So again, if you're an organization and your value communication, 149 00:07:16,640 --> 00:07:20,640 Speaker 1: as all organizations say, they do, well, practice what you preach, 150 00:07:21,240 --> 00:07:23,920 Speaker 1: live it, and don't just talk about it. And that 151 00:07:24,120 --> 00:07:25,800 Speaker 1: was the failure of the Red Sox here. 152 00:07:27,240 --> 00:07:29,480 Speaker 2: By now you know that Hello Fresh is America's number 153 00:07:29,480 --> 00:07:31,640 Speaker 2: one meal kit and that you can choose from sixty 154 00:07:31,680 --> 00:07:34,480 Speaker 2: recipes every week. But what you might not know is 155 00:07:34,480 --> 00:07:37,440 Speaker 2: that AJ wants me to describe some of the recent 156 00:07:37,680 --> 00:07:40,160 Speaker 2: meals that are on the menu. So here we go. 157 00:07:40,440 --> 00:07:43,800 Speaker 2: Sun dried tomato, grilled cheese sandos. 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Free mails are applied as 175 00:08:25,640 --> 00:08:28,160 Speaker 2: a discount on the first box new subscribers only. Varies 176 00:08:28,160 --> 00:08:30,800 Speaker 2: by plant. Yeah, that's the thing for me. Is when 177 00:08:30,840 --> 00:08:32,760 Speaker 2: this first started out, We're like, wait, this is the 178 00:08:32,760 --> 00:08:35,120 Speaker 2: guy who a year ago was saying they needed to 179 00:08:35,240 --> 00:08:37,040 Speaker 2: pick up more pieces and make them a contender. I 180 00:08:37,040 --> 00:08:39,400 Speaker 2: felt like everyone was against him, and the more that 181 00:08:39,440 --> 00:08:43,200 Speaker 2: it came out about the communication process, the more that 182 00:08:43,480 --> 00:08:46,600 Speaker 2: I think feelings started to tilt towards weight. Is this 183 00:08:46,679 --> 00:08:48,800 Speaker 2: becoming a trend with the Red Sox, so let's push 184 00:08:48,800 --> 00:08:51,120 Speaker 2: that part forward, the part that we didn't get to 185 00:08:51,160 --> 00:08:53,560 Speaker 2: on our show because it was last night, and same 186 00:08:53,600 --> 00:08:56,240 Speaker 2: with your show. What did you think of the comments 187 00:08:56,280 --> 00:08:57,559 Speaker 2: from Red Sox Brass. 188 00:08:59,400 --> 00:09:03,760 Speaker 1: None of it really surprised me. They were talking constantly 189 00:09:03,840 --> 00:09:07,920 Speaker 1: about alignment, that they didn't have alignment with the player. Yeah, 190 00:09:07,960 --> 00:09:10,360 Speaker 1: obviously we can see that, and that's the new, I 191 00:09:10,360 --> 00:09:14,880 Speaker 1: guess front office buzzword of the day, alignment. And it 192 00:09:14,920 --> 00:09:17,640 Speaker 1: did impress me that Craig Breslow, the chief baseball officer, 193 00:09:17,679 --> 00:09:19,400 Speaker 1: said maybe there were some things he should have been 194 00:09:19,800 --> 00:09:23,040 Speaker 1: done differently when he looks at it humbly, yes, and 195 00:09:23,240 --> 00:09:26,719 Speaker 1: that was good to hear. They didn't smear Devers, they 196 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:29,040 Speaker 1: didn't really go after him. They kind of just explained 197 00:09:29,080 --> 00:09:31,880 Speaker 1: that they didn't think it was the healthiest of situations. 198 00:09:32,160 --> 00:09:35,640 Speaker 1: I gave my opinion about this whole idea of polluting 199 00:09:35,679 --> 00:09:39,800 Speaker 1: young players' minds. I don't necessarily buy that. I guess, yes, 200 00:09:40,200 --> 00:09:42,880 Speaker 1: you'd want him out of the clubhouse to not have 201 00:09:42,920 --> 00:09:45,520 Speaker 1: that kind of person in there, a guy who's disgruntled. 202 00:09:45,520 --> 00:09:48,720 Speaker 1: But you know what, if he was so disgruntled, how 203 00:09:48,840 --> 00:09:51,360 Speaker 1: was he leading the American League as a DH and 204 00:09:51,880 --> 00:09:55,080 Speaker 1: being the hitter he has always been. The players didn't 205 00:09:55,080 --> 00:09:58,280 Speaker 1: seem particularly upset with him. He's done a remarkable job 206 00:09:58,440 --> 00:10:01,560 Speaker 1: of adapting to that role. He's gotten no credit for that. 207 00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:05,640 Speaker 1: This guy became a DH and after a really awful start, 208 00:10:06,040 --> 00:10:08,000 Speaker 1: all of a sudden was back to himself again, as 209 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:10,520 Speaker 1: if it was nothing. And Ortiz I remember talking to 210 00:10:10,600 --> 00:10:14,480 Speaker 1: him about this. This was just a private conversation sometime back, 211 00:10:14,760 --> 00:10:17,400 Speaker 1: and he said, Hey, they're asking him DH. It's not 212 00:10:17,600 --> 00:10:22,440 Speaker 1: so easy. Well he did that. So this idea that 213 00:10:23,040 --> 00:10:28,120 Speaker 1: this guy was just somehow toxic to them, I just 214 00:10:28,120 --> 00:10:30,480 Speaker 1: don't buy that. He did what they asked. He didn't 215 00:10:30,520 --> 00:10:33,400 Speaker 1: do everything they asked. And as I mentioned before, playing 216 00:10:33,440 --> 00:10:35,720 Speaker 1: first bach, which I believe he will do for the 217 00:10:35,760 --> 00:10:38,319 Speaker 1: Giants because it's going to be a different line of communication. 218 00:10:38,960 --> 00:10:41,640 Speaker 1: Playing first base learning that position in the middle of 219 00:10:41,679 --> 00:10:45,640 Speaker 1: a season. When your guy like Deffers, who's not particularly athletic, 220 00:10:46,120 --> 00:10:50,160 Speaker 1: you're risking embarrassment, You're risking hurting the team. You're risking 221 00:10:50,200 --> 00:10:52,920 Speaker 1: a lot of different things. And as I wrote way 222 00:10:52,960 --> 00:10:55,679 Speaker 1: back when in May, all the fans and all the 223 00:10:55,760 --> 00:10:58,280 Speaker 1: people who were clamoring for him to play first base 224 00:10:58,320 --> 00:11:00,560 Speaker 1: for the Red Sox would have been the ours people 225 00:11:00,600 --> 00:11:03,880 Speaker 1: to jump him when of course he would have had 226 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:08,320 Speaker 1: perhaps difficulty. So again I'm not forgiving devors. He should 227 00:11:08,320 --> 00:11:11,360 Speaker 1: have been more of a team guy. Yes, but there 228 00:11:11,400 --> 00:11:14,640 Speaker 1: are reasons why a player or anyone gets from point 229 00:11:14,679 --> 00:11:18,320 Speaker 1: A to point B. The Red Sox were responsible for 230 00:11:18,360 --> 00:11:20,720 Speaker 1: getting him from point A to point B, and if 231 00:11:20,720 --> 00:11:23,400 Speaker 1: they didn't like the contract, they shouldn't have given it 232 00:11:23,400 --> 00:11:25,480 Speaker 1: to him in the first place. They knew the player. 233 00:11:25,520 --> 00:11:28,800 Speaker 1: Then this idea, he's not a leader and he should 234 00:11:28,840 --> 00:11:30,560 Speaker 1: do more in the community. You've seen some of that 235 00:11:30,679 --> 00:11:34,000 Speaker 1: talk in the last twenty four hours. You knew the guy, 236 00:11:34,559 --> 00:11:36,440 Speaker 1: you gave him the three hundred million. He wasn't going 237 00:11:36,520 --> 00:11:38,560 Speaker 1: to change with three hundred million. He wasn't going to 238 00:11:38,559 --> 00:11:42,720 Speaker 1: become suddenly this face of the franchise. That's not him, 239 00:11:43,200 --> 00:11:44,200 Speaker 1: the Red Sox knew it. 240 00:11:45,400 --> 00:11:50,120 Speaker 4: Sam Kennedy said something that stuck out to me. He said, well, 241 00:11:50,440 --> 00:11:54,960 Speaker 4: name one major league organization with more championships and banners 242 00:11:55,240 --> 00:11:59,080 Speaker 4: in the last twenty four years. Is that was that 243 00:12:00,160 --> 00:12:04,840 Speaker 4: kind of a shot at everybody that was questioning them 244 00:12:04,920 --> 00:12:07,679 Speaker 4: and questioning their motives? And is that even fair? That's 245 00:12:07,760 --> 00:12:10,160 Speaker 4: like saying that's like saying a football team goes into 246 00:12:10,200 --> 00:12:13,000 Speaker 4: play a team, it's like, haven't beaten this team in 247 00:12:13,080 --> 00:12:15,800 Speaker 4: fifty three years. It's like, well, nobody's been on the 248 00:12:15,800 --> 00:12:18,959 Speaker 4: same team. Is that a fair statement by Sam Kennedy to. 249 00:12:18,920 --> 00:12:22,680 Speaker 1: Say, yes, it's fair. It's fair because this ownership has 250 00:12:22,760 --> 00:12:26,160 Speaker 1: led the team to four World Series titles when they 251 00:12:26,160 --> 00:12:29,720 Speaker 1: hadn't won one since nineteen eighteen. However, that does not 252 00:12:29,920 --> 00:12:33,280 Speaker 1: exonerate them forever. This is a business in which you 253 00:12:33,360 --> 00:12:35,760 Speaker 1: have to succeed year after year after year. That's the goal. 254 00:12:36,320 --> 00:12:39,040 Speaker 1: They have not succeeded in some time. They had a 255 00:12:39,040 --> 00:12:42,440 Speaker 1: great year in twenty one, but really since their last 256 00:12:42,440 --> 00:12:46,480 Speaker 1: World Series title in eighteen, that's it. So when you 257 00:12:46,559 --> 00:12:49,200 Speaker 1: have last place finishes, when you have disappointments, when you 258 00:12:49,280 --> 00:12:52,880 Speaker 1: have poorly executed trades, as the Monkey Betts trade was 259 00:12:52,960 --> 00:12:57,000 Speaker 1: when you have a series of missteps, Well, it can't 260 00:12:57,040 --> 00:12:59,040 Speaker 1: just keep saying we won four titles. That's not what 261 00:12:59,120 --> 00:13:02,559 Speaker 1: Sam Kennedy was doing. But he was just pointing out 262 00:13:02,920 --> 00:13:06,200 Speaker 1: we've been a successful ownership, no argument, but they haven't 263 00:13:06,200 --> 00:13:08,840 Speaker 1: been successful in recent years. It's like the Yankees. Do 264 00:13:08,920 --> 00:13:12,640 Speaker 1: the Yankees walk around saying we've got the twenty eight championships? No, 265 00:13:13,440 --> 00:13:16,120 Speaker 1: they know they haven't won one since two thousand and nine, 266 00:13:16,200 --> 00:13:18,520 Speaker 1: and they are hell bent on winning another, at least 267 00:13:18,920 --> 00:13:23,120 Speaker 1: many of the people there are. So I understand his sentiment. 268 00:13:23,400 --> 00:13:26,320 Speaker 1: It's certainly an accurate sentiment, but at the same time, 269 00:13:26,440 --> 00:13:29,800 Speaker 1: it doesn't necessarily excuse what has happened in recent years. 270 00:13:31,320 --> 00:13:31,720 Speaker 1: I can. 271 00:13:31,960 --> 00:13:34,680 Speaker 2: Let's finish with a couple of minutes on Otani thoughts 272 00:13:34,760 --> 00:13:37,560 Speaker 2: on his return. It finally happened, and it happened much 273 00:13:37,600 --> 00:13:41,400 Speaker 2: sooner than most of us anticipated, because it was like, oh, wait, 274 00:13:41,440 --> 00:13:43,480 Speaker 2: he's gonna maybe be back for the also break, maybe 275 00:13:43,520 --> 00:13:45,320 Speaker 2: this week, boom Monday night. 276 00:13:46,240 --> 00:13:49,880 Speaker 1: Yeah. His point was that throwing simulated games before playing 277 00:13:50,040 --> 00:13:52,560 Speaker 1: that night was kind of exhausting him, so why not 278 00:13:52,679 --> 00:13:55,720 Speaker 1: do it in a real game? Fair point and good call. 279 00:13:56,520 --> 00:13:59,960 Speaker 1: I thought he looked good. The command wasn't there quite obviously, 280 00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:02,120 Speaker 1: and he talked about after the game how he was 281 00:14:02,120 --> 00:14:04,719 Speaker 1: missing glove side. He was his arm was moving a 282 00:14:04,720 --> 00:14:07,720 Speaker 1: little too quickly. That'll all come. The fact that he 283 00:14:07,760 --> 00:14:10,440 Speaker 1: reached one hundred, that's really impressive. The fact that he 284 00:14:10,480 --> 00:14:13,480 Speaker 1: had two hits in the game, that's really impressive. It 285 00:14:13,520 --> 00:14:15,560 Speaker 1: was fun to watch him as a two way guy again, 286 00:14:15,600 --> 00:14:18,360 Speaker 1: even though it was a brief appearance, and I expect 287 00:14:18,400 --> 00:14:21,920 Speaker 1: he will only get better as time goes on. He's 288 00:14:21,960 --> 00:14:25,480 Speaker 1: going to build up, his command will sharpen, and everything 289 00:14:26,600 --> 00:14:28,640 Speaker 1: knock on Wood will be back to what it was 290 00:14:28,680 --> 00:14:31,000 Speaker 1: pre surgery and. 291 00:14:32,480 --> 00:14:34,040 Speaker 3: Ken. It was just nice to see him back out 292 00:14:34,040 --> 00:14:37,880 Speaker 3: on the mound. Whether the results were secondary, it doesn't matter, 293 00:14:38,320 --> 00:14:40,080 Speaker 3: but it was nice to see him out there doing 294 00:14:40,120 --> 00:14:43,480 Speaker 3: what he does. The Dodgers definitely need the boost, especially 295 00:14:43,520 --> 00:14:45,640 Speaker 3: on the pitching side, so so good for him. 296 00:14:45,680 --> 00:14:48,640 Speaker 2: Two knocks took it takes. 297 00:14:48,680 --> 00:14:50,800 Speaker 3: You know, as we said, we hate o'tis all the 298 00:14:50,800 --> 00:14:55,920 Speaker 3: fans in the comments that we ha whatever, I don't, 299 00:14:56,120 --> 00:14:59,320 Speaker 3: I don't really I does, I don't, I don't care 300 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:04,720 Speaker 3: Scotts Scott. It hurts his ego smaller when bat people 301 00:15:04,720 --> 00:15:06,920 Speaker 3: write bad comments, and I want to ask you about 302 00:15:06,960 --> 00:15:10,280 Speaker 3: something else. Last night, the Nats lost their ninth in 303 00:15:10,280 --> 00:15:12,400 Speaker 3: a row. Dave Martinez. They got rid of some coaches. 304 00:15:12,440 --> 00:15:15,920 Speaker 3: He's now, he's already coming out preemptive strike right like, 305 00:15:15,960 --> 00:15:19,000 Speaker 3: it's not the coaches fall. The coaches work really hard. 306 00:15:19,400 --> 00:15:21,440 Speaker 3: How hot is his seat right now? Is he going 307 00:15:21,520 --> 00:15:23,960 Speaker 3: to be next in line for managerial firing? And I 308 00:15:24,360 --> 00:15:26,600 Speaker 3: hate to see anybody fire. Dave Martinez is a good guy. 309 00:15:26,560 --> 00:15:28,960 Speaker 3: He's won a World Series. He knows what he's doing. 310 00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:32,000 Speaker 3: But it's the cyclical life of a baseball manager. 311 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:34,880 Speaker 1: I don't know that his seat is so hot. Their 312 00:15:34,880 --> 00:15:38,320 Speaker 1: ownership doesn't seem to be terribly involved or terribly interested 313 00:15:38,400 --> 00:15:41,960 Speaker 1: in shaking up the status quo. That's just the reality 314 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:45,320 Speaker 1: with the Nationals. However, since winning the World Series in 315 00:15:45,320 --> 00:15:48,480 Speaker 1: twenty nineteen, they have the second most losses in the 316 00:15:48,480 --> 00:15:51,160 Speaker 1: major leagues. Not a lot of people realize that second 317 00:15:51,160 --> 00:15:53,520 Speaker 1: most only to the Rockies. Now, there are a ton 318 00:15:53,560 --> 00:15:56,000 Speaker 1: of reasons for that that go well beyond the manager. 319 00:15:56,320 --> 00:15:59,960 Speaker 1: They've had failures in player development and scouting, amateur internet 320 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:03,480 Speaker 1: national all kinds of issues. They made a great trade 321 00:16:03,520 --> 00:16:06,040 Speaker 1: for Juan Soto, no question, Mike Rizzo did that, but 322 00:16:06,560 --> 00:16:10,360 Speaker 1: they have not supported that with excelling in those other areas. 323 00:16:10,880 --> 00:16:13,680 Speaker 1: So will Dave M. Martinez take the fall for all this? 324 00:16:13,880 --> 00:16:16,120 Speaker 1: I tend to doubt it, simply because of the way 325 00:16:16,160 --> 00:16:21,280 Speaker 1: they operate. But as we've seen before, enough losing can 326 00:16:21,400 --> 00:16:25,960 Speaker 1: change in organization's direction, and nine in a row is 327 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:28,720 Speaker 1: not good here. So who knows where they'll go at this. 328 00:16:29,120 --> 00:16:31,800 Speaker 1: But what I wrote about a couple of weeks ago 329 00:16:31,840 --> 00:16:35,040 Speaker 1: in the Nationals fans I read some comments aj they 330 00:16:35,040 --> 00:16:37,200 Speaker 1: didn't like the timing of this article. In fact, Mike 331 00:16:37,240 --> 00:16:39,400 Speaker 1: Rizzo went on the radio in Washington and said, hey, 332 00:16:39,400 --> 00:16:41,440 Speaker 1: we're playing better. Well, I don't know why Ken wrote 333 00:16:41,480 --> 00:16:44,000 Speaker 1: this at this particular time. Well guess what I wrote 334 00:16:44,000 --> 00:16:46,760 Speaker 1: it because this is an ongoing thing. And yeah, they 335 00:16:46,800 --> 00:16:48,440 Speaker 1: had one, I don't know seven out of ten at 336 00:16:48,480 --> 00:16:51,080 Speaker 1: the time. I guess I should have waited till now 337 00:16:51,160 --> 00:16:55,320 Speaker 1: to satisfy everyone's timing question. But here we are, and 338 00:16:55,960 --> 00:16:58,200 Speaker 1: the issues that I wrote about are the issues. And 339 00:16:59,320 --> 00:17:01,840 Speaker 1: it's not an e fix. And if you want to 340 00:17:01,840 --> 00:17:05,959 Speaker 1: defend Rizzo and defend Dave, even the ownership has not 341 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:09,200 Speaker 1: given them the financial support in really many areas that 342 00:17:09,240 --> 00:17:11,399 Speaker 1: they need. But at the same time, you've got a 343 00:17:11,480 --> 00:17:14,000 Speaker 1: draft better, you've got to develop better. They've done a 344 00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:15,919 Speaker 1: little bit better job the last couple of years. They 345 00:17:15,960 --> 00:17:19,639 Speaker 1: had some turnover and change some people around, but the 346 00:17:19,680 --> 00:17:22,560 Speaker 1: failures of the team right now are a reflection of 347 00:17:22,600 --> 00:17:25,600 Speaker 1: the issues that they've had over the last decade or 348 00:17:25,640 --> 00:17:26,720 Speaker 1: so in those areas. 349 00:17:27,800 --> 00:17:30,840 Speaker 2: How dare you get ahead of a story that was looming? 350 00:17:31,359 --> 00:17:33,800 Speaker 3: Ken new? See this is why Ken doesn't make predictions. 351 00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:35,600 Speaker 3: He predicted they were going to go on a nine 352 00:17:35,640 --> 00:17:38,720 Speaker 3: game losing streak, and then that way David Martinez article 353 00:17:38,720 --> 00:17:40,560 Speaker 3: would work. See this is why Ken doesn't like to 354 00:17:40,560 --> 00:17:43,359 Speaker 3: give predictions, because when he's right, it's really bad for 355 00:17:43,400 --> 00:17:45,640 Speaker 3: people like he's too right. 356 00:17:47,640 --> 00:17:50,280 Speaker 1: I wouldn't exactly put it that way, but whatever you 357 00:17:50,280 --> 00:17:51,520 Speaker 1: want to say, man like the. 358 00:17:54,000 --> 00:17:55,600 Speaker 3: Just don't write anything about me Ken, because I don't 359 00:17:55,600 --> 00:17:57,040 Speaker 3: want to be hit by a bus walking on the 360 00:17:57,040 --> 00:17:57,480 Speaker 3: street today. 361 00:17:57,480 --> 00:18:03,040 Speaker 2: Okay, great, I have no answer to that, as does Ken. 362 00:18:03,119 --> 00:18:03,399 Speaker 1: Ken. 363 00:18:03,440 --> 00:18:08,120 Speaker 2: Thank you congratulate this week. Thanks guys, all right, that's 364 00:18:08,400 --> 00:18:12,160 Speaker 2: Ken Rosenthal fair territory. I encourage everyone to check out 365 00:18:12,400 --> 00:18:16,520 Speaker 2: a lot from Ken as he unpacks the Rockeyelle Devers situation.