Speaker 1: Remember when you like sneezed. Did you sneeze your cough
Speaker 1: like right in my mouth that one time when you
Speaker 1: were sick. I didn't cough.
Speaker 2: I laughed and a little bit in my mouth. A
Speaker 2: tiny piece of spit went into Stephanie's mouth. And it
Speaker 2: was right before her wedding.
Speaker 1: And I was like, I conducted myself very well in
Speaker 1: that moment. I wasn't like you did you.
Speaker 2: I was like, I could tell that you maybe wanted
Speaker 2: to kill me, but you restrained yourself.
Speaker 3: More and more Better, More and Better, got a little bit.
Speaker 1: More better, more and more. Welcome to More Better, a
Speaker 1: podcast where we stopped pretending to have it all together and.
Speaker 2: Embraced the journey of becoming a little more better every day,
Speaker 2: or at least trying to. That's most of a marrow,
Speaker 2: and that's Stephanie vadris Hi.
Speaker 1: Welcome back. First episode back for the new season. Yay, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I cut my hair again? He did? I did? I
Speaker 1: cut it again? That Bob on you. It's so good,
Speaker 1: so much. You know. Here's how you know here. Here's
Speaker 1: here's the thing. Social media it's awful. It can be
Speaker 1: really great, but it can be really awful too, because
Speaker 1: I was Fela butt coming on.
Speaker 3: Well.
Speaker 1: I was like, I really like my new hair. I
Speaker 1: really am enjoying it. And someone coming, why do you
Speaker 1: keep cutting your hair and then growing it back out?
Speaker 1: Don't you realize that this look is really bad on you?
Speaker 1: And I was like, oh, that's that's how you know
Speaker 1: that you like your own haircut, because I was like
Speaker 1: I don't care what this or something like yeah, and
Speaker 1: then I immediately blocked them, right, but like, I really
Speaker 1: like my haircut. I really I'm enjoying this.
Speaker 2: When did we lose the If you have nothing nice
Speaker 2: to say, don't say anything at all.
Speaker 1: Oh assume we don't have to stand in front of
Speaker 1: someone and like be a peron, you know what I mean? Like,
Speaker 1: no one's gonna come up to you and stand there
Speaker 1: and be like, why did you cut your hair again?
Speaker 1: It doesn't look good, you know, Like because I would
Speaker 1: be like, what's fucking wrong with you? What the hell
Speaker 1: is wrong with you? Just keep your opinions to yourself. Also,
Speaker 1: I don't give a shit what you think about my hair.
Speaker 1: Like they would have to deal with somebody stepping up
Speaker 1: to them, stepping up? Oh my god, do the kids.
Speaker 1: I still know that no step, step up, like and
Speaker 1: what you got. One time on the bus when I
Speaker 1: was little, there was a new girl on the bus.
Speaker 1: I mean I think I was like in sixth grade.
Speaker 1: There was a new girl on the bus and I
Speaker 1: didn't have glasses yet, so I was like squinting and
Speaker 1: trying to figure out like her face and like whether
Speaker 1: or not I could like come up walk up to
Speaker 1: her and be like, Hi, do you wanna be friends?
Speaker 1: And she was from a distinctly different let's say she
Speaker 1: was tough and she came up to me on the
Speaker 1: bus and was like, why do you keep mad dogging me?
Speaker 1: Do you want to step up? And I was like
Speaker 1: I don't know what either one of those things mean.
Speaker 1: Like in my mind, I was like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't know me We're gonna hang out? What is that?
Speaker 1: Anyway? How have you been? What's been going on? Give
Speaker 1: me a little update?
Speaker 2: Download what has been going on? I have summered really
Speaker 2: hard this year and it was great and it was
Speaker 2: also exhausting, but it was great. It was the first
Speaker 2: summer that I'm out of the toddler years officially, and
Speaker 2: it was the first summer where I packed them so
Speaker 2: quickly for our trips because I just had to take
Speaker 2: a lot less shit.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, no diaper, there's no like.
Speaker 2: No diapers, no white not even excessive snacks, like I
Speaker 2: know what they're gonna tell you. What can you guys
Speaker 2: read like yeah, like or I know I can get
Speaker 2: at like I don't need you know, they're pretty they're
Speaker 2: so used to the cross country flight too, that they
Speaker 2: pretty much stay on their iPads the whole time, like
Speaker 2: watching movies and whatever. And I'll maybe bring like one
Speaker 2: activity for Axle for the little one in case he
Speaker 2: gets bored of the iPad. But so travel was like
Speaker 2: so easy, casey.
Speaker 1: It's bored in case he gets bored of the iPad.
Speaker 1: Is so funny to me, in case he gets bored
Speaker 1: of me that the universe had his fingertips. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: go onside. It was very funny, no truly.
Speaker 2: And then like they also they they on trips, they'll
Speaker 2: play together or they'll play by them, like you don't
Speaker 2: have we don't have to hover. They know how to swim,
Speaker 2: like so I can like lay on a lounge chair
Speaker 2: while they're swimming or playing and I'm not you know,
Speaker 2: I'm keeping an eye on them, but I don't have
Speaker 2: to watch them like a hawk anymore. Like, and I
Speaker 2: actually could rest. They're also big enough where like we
Speaker 2: could sleep in in a bunch of mornings because they
Speaker 2: would go to the kitchen and grab a banana and
Speaker 2: just like wait for us to get up, like unbelievable, whole.
Speaker 1: New life, like a whole new.
Speaker 2: And I there were a few times this summer where
Speaker 2: I turned to David I was like, we're doing so
Speaker 2: many I mean we did like five trips with them
Speaker 2: this summer.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: And I was like, I don't feel overwhelmed. I'm not
Speaker 2: completely exhausted. I'm having a good time with them because
Speaker 2: they're really like people now, Like we're having conversations and like,
Speaker 2: it just was such a difference. And I never would
Speaker 2: have imagined that we would have done that many trips
Speaker 2: with them. I mean, we did a weekend trip to
Speaker 2: New York, like an in and out trip with New York.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 1: You took them to New York City?
Speaker 2: Did it was a real quick Any family members listening
Speaker 2: to this, I'm sorry I didn't call you.
Speaker 1: We were literally there for three days.
Speaker 3: No.
Speaker 1: Oh, well that's impossible, so okay, wait list off the
Speaker 1: places you went, and then did you stay with friends
Speaker 1: or did you.
Speaker 2: Stay with No, we got a hotel, Okay, Fat went
Speaker 2: for our very good friends Michael and Harris were celebrating
Speaker 2: their thirtieth wedding anniversary at Tavern on the Green and
Speaker 2: it was beautiful and it meant so much to them
Speaker 2: that we made the effort to go. But I also
Speaker 2: was like, you know, I feel like, especially the last
Speaker 2: few years, I've shifted to just like we got to
Speaker 2: show up for the big moments, like yeah, for sure,
Speaker 2: just got to make it work. And there's just one
Speaker 2: of them where I was like, it's gonna be crazy,
Speaker 2: it's gonna suck. We're going to take the kids, we're
Speaker 2: going to go for a weekend, and we're just gonna
Speaker 2: show up to his party. And we're so glad we did.
Speaker 2: But they were so freaking happy to see the fucking
Speaker 2: Statue of Liberty.
Speaker 1: They really they were like super into it, so into it. Well,
Speaker 1: was it about it? Is it like the life side
Speaker 1: like or bigger than life?
Speaker 2: What is it that they've seen so many pictures of
Speaker 2: it and now they're seeing it in real life, more
Speaker 2: so for the older one than the younger one. Axel
Speaker 2: was like a little bit less impressed, but Enzo was
Speaker 2: like mind blown. Took a gazillion pictures of the Statute
Speaker 2: of Life, pretty so so happy, picked out this really
Speaker 2: cool antique looking pocket watch at the gift shop.
Speaker 1: Oh my god.
Speaker 2: That he like treasures, and like when you ask him
Speaker 2: about New York, he's like.
Speaker 1: That was my favorite thing. And I'm like, oh my god.
Speaker 2: And just like seeing who we could meet up with
Speaker 2: in a park. And we went to a bunch of
Speaker 2: playgrounds and walked around and and so did say the
Speaker 2: pizza was the best pizza he's ever had in his life.
Speaker 1: Good, we said, good man. Yeah.
Speaker 2: The bagels though, he was like, the bagels were okay.
Speaker 2: He said he likes Hank's bagels more.
Speaker 1: Oh snap, Okay, so he's showing out to LA's Hanks bagels.
Speaker 1: He's a little la baby, Yeah, La Baby, I know
Speaker 1: it's amazing. So you really have crossed You've crossed the
Speaker 1: line over. You've crossed the line over like a trip
Speaker 1: or vacation, right, that thing that they say that you're
Speaker 1: not you can't take a vacation with the kids.
Speaker 2: Yeah, kind of it still feels like a trip, but
Speaker 2: it definitely Yeah, there were there were moments of like,
Speaker 2: this feels like a vacation.
Speaker 1: If you had to give your if you had to
Speaker 1: give it a overall score with like x percent vacation,
Speaker 1: x percent trip, what would you give it this summer?
Speaker 2: I would say this summer was maybe at like sixty
Speaker 2: percent trip, thirty percent vacation.
Speaker 1: That's good, that's good. I would And in the past
Speaker 1: I would have said like ninety percent trip. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: yeah yeah. I don't take this child places.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because it's so hard with a toddler. But I
Speaker 2: feel like I see the light. I feel like I'm like, oh,
Speaker 2: we could maybe think about doing bigger trips or longer
Speaker 2: trips or yeah.
Speaker 1: Like something.
Speaker 2: It feels now real. Yeah, I mean so it's I
Speaker 2: mean it's coming. You're you're on the cusp.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, we're clot we're getting. I mean she does
Speaker 1: really well when there's like activities and stuff, like we
Speaker 1: took ros to Cleveland to see her aunt and uncle
Speaker 1: and like that was fabulous and like we were there
Speaker 1: for like literally a day and that was amazing and
Speaker 1: she did really well. But I know, New York City,
Speaker 1: whoof I don't think I could do it with her
Speaker 1: I mean I barely do it with Brad, Like yeah,
Speaker 1: very Brad has a hard time with the New York.
Speaker 1: Like we were there for three days, three days just
Speaker 1: over Labor Day for the US Open, and like the
Speaker 1: reason that he had a good time was because like
Speaker 1: got to go to the US Open. We saw a
Speaker 1: play and he ate everything everything ever. You know, he
Speaker 1: had like a list of places that he was going
Speaker 1: to go and and you got to take a must
Speaker 1: girl up. Helton class was pretty fun one. It was
Speaker 1: really fun. Yeah, because like I don't know, I mean
Speaker 1: I used to teach workout classes, like uh, there's something
Speaker 1: that happens like in the studio when like everybody's like
Speaker 1: you're about to kind of like feel you know, when
Speaker 1: you're at home alone working out and you hit that
Speaker 1: point where were like I could just stop here, like
Speaker 1: I did, I did enough. You know, literally em a
Speaker 1: love well. The teacher was like I know how you
Speaker 1: feel right now. You're like I could stop, I've done enough.
Speaker 1: And I was like she's in my mind, you know,
Speaker 1: like she she's a witch's She was fabulous. She was
Speaker 1: very very good at like just making us feel like,
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know those teachers are really gifted.
Speaker 1: They I hope they paid them a lot of money.
Speaker 1: I really do, because they deserve it, because they just
Speaker 1: make you feel like you could do anything. I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't pay attention to like my
Speaker 1: leaderboard scores and shit, because like, fuck you, I'm on
Speaker 1: the bike working out. I don't need to look at shit.
Speaker 1: I don't. We don't need that. No Brad does. He's
Speaker 1: like all about it. After class. He was like, you
Speaker 1: know who was first in the class leader board? And
Speaker 1: I was like, let me guess. Oh my god, shut up, Brad.
Speaker 1: I know it's really hard sometimes m m. But I
Speaker 1: mean that I get it. Can come. Competition can push
Speaker 1: people harder. Listen, when I'm in a pilates class, do
Speaker 1: I pay attention to what the woman next to me
Speaker 1: is doing? Absolutely? If she's holding that plank, I am
Speaker 1: trying to also hold that plank. That's why I like
Speaker 1: to sit, you know, like I like to get on
Speaker 1: the machine. That's like next to the girl that looks
Speaker 1: really strong, So I'm like, what's she gonna do? Can
Speaker 1: I be as strong as her? Usually the answer is no,
Speaker 1: but at least I get pushed a little harder. Yes,
Speaker 1: versus at home where I'm just like I've done enough,
Speaker 1: Like I'm good, you know, although you stand up here
Speaker 1: and like I'm in a stretch, stretch, I feel like, wait, okay,
Speaker 1: so you answered the question of like what have you
Speaker 1: done lately? That's more better, which is like you've traveled
Speaker 1: with your children and it's been not as hellish. By
Speaker 1: the way, for those of you listening that don't have kids,
Speaker 1: enjoy your time, yeah, because it really does shift a lot.
Speaker 1: And it was magical to have some days with Brad
Speaker 1: where my sister was watching Roz because yeah, it was
Speaker 1: just nice. I mean, like I haven't slept in like
Speaker 1: that in a long time. I mean it was you know,
Speaker 1: it was really nice. It's just different. Uh.
Speaker 2: And again toddler years, like they don't let you sleep in.
Speaker 2: They eventually do our kids let us sleep in a
Speaker 2: bunch of the summer. He does sleep, but she does.
Speaker 2: She's asleeper.
Speaker 1: She doesn't go to bed, but she does sleep. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she's like her bedtime is like nine thirty or ten.
Speaker 1: Like she's a fucking party and in that room. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: she's a little night owl. Yeah, what have you done
Speaker 1: that's more better? Yeah? No, girl, like I've been very
Speaker 1: I have continued my therapy journey. We're still taking our meds.
Speaker 1: Great tis the Metal came out. If you guys haven't
Speaker 1: watched it, it's on Peacock right now. All the season
Speaker 1: has dropped.
Speaker 2: I have watched the first two episodes and very behind him. Sorry,
Speaker 2: I'm a very bad friend. Okay, it's okay, watched anything
Speaker 2: all summer, but you got a.
Speaker 1: Dude's head off in the episode two, and it's so bad.
Speaker 1: I did. That's me jumping. That's me doing almost everything there.
Speaker 1: I probably love to jumping so much.
Speaker 2: I've known you for so long. I try to like.
Speaker 2: The stunt work is really really good, though I can't
Speaker 2: always tell when it's there's a swap, and I think
Speaker 2: only I can tell in small moments because I know
Speaker 2: you so so well. Yeah, but yeah, I saw that
Speaker 2: jump and I was like that.
Speaker 1: That was me. That was me. I'm really proud of it.
Speaker 1: It's really I think the thing that's kind of hard
Speaker 1: is that like a we don't know if we're gonna
Speaker 1: get us a third season and be like, you know
Speaker 1: that feeling for those of you that don't work in
Speaker 1: television and film, which I think is probably a lot
Speaker 1: of ourst listeners are just like cool normal people. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's you know, the feeling when like you take a
Speaker 1: picture and or someone takes a picture of you and
Speaker 1: post it on Instagram or Facebook or something, and you're like, no,
Speaker 1: I look stupid, and uh, that is the feeling that
Speaker 1: I have when I watch myself on TV. Really every
Speaker 1: episode of the show, I have a really hard time.
Speaker 1: Oh good, I like it's it's more like and like
Speaker 1: rubbing my case. You guys, if you're not watching this
Speaker 1: on you, I don't know. It's really hard for me.
Speaker 1: And it's not even like how I look that part
Speaker 1: is not even it's whatever. It's more like, oh no,
Speaker 1: the disconnect between I thought I was being a good
Speaker 1: actor in this scene and now I'm watching the scene
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I'm kind of bad. Like I'm watching
Speaker 1: it my work is not good. Well, continue watching this season.
Speaker 1: I mean, listen, here's the thing.
Speaker 2: I'm going to watch Hypercriticals and I'm gonna I know
Speaker 2: you are. I know you are because I know you
Speaker 2: and we all do. We're all guilty of it. I
Speaker 2: do the same thing. You go, oh why did I
Speaker 2: make that choice? Or what would that take like I
Speaker 2: get it. It's you know, there's a lot that is
Speaker 2: out of our control, especially if we're not but.
Speaker 1: Not the acting, and the actings in my control. And
Speaker 1: I'm bad. I'm not bad.
Speaker 2: My grand was like cakes that they use and stuff
Speaker 2: like we we don't, you know, we do our thing
Speaker 2: and then and then it's out of our hands. But
Speaker 2: I can't wait to watch the rest of the series.
Speaker 2: And I'm gonna I'm gonna flood you with fucking compliment.
Speaker 1: I mean, here's what I was gonna say that I'm
Speaker 1: trying to get more better at, which is just like
Speaker 1: accepting somehow understanding that like, Okay, I'm not as good
Speaker 1: as I wanted to be. That can be true at
Speaker 1: the same time that the thing that I did I'm
Speaker 1: really proud of, Like I am proud of the thing.
Speaker 1: I'm proud of the show. I think it's so funny.
Speaker 1: Everyone else is so great in it. It looks fucking fantastic,
Speaker 1: like and how I felt when I was making it
Speaker 1: was like that was such a special experience. It was
Speaker 1: so special and like fun and like that can exist.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to be more better out letting that exist
Speaker 1: while also understanding like maybe I'm not as good as
Speaker 1: an actor I thought it was, and I need to
Speaker 1: like work on some stuff to get to the place
Speaker 1: that I feel really really confident about the work that
Speaker 1: I am looking at. Or I just do you know
Speaker 1: what Adam Driver does, which does never watch anything that
Speaker 1: I do. I don't know what the answer is here,
Speaker 1: but I'm trying to be more fun.
Speaker 2: Well, I was going to add I also think that
Speaker 2: part of what you're describing is true for almost any artists,
Speaker 2: except maybe the really crazy narcissistic ones. But like we're
Speaker 2: it's like that Martha Graham quote, Like there's this divine
Speaker 2: dissatisfaction because you are because actually, when you're a brilliant
Speaker 2: artist the way you are, you're you're always trying to
Speaker 2: be better, Like you know what I mean. Like I
Speaker 2: think I think it's accepting that it's always going to
Speaker 2: be weird to watch ourselves. It's always going to be like,
Speaker 2: you know, not enough. At the same time, that's also
Speaker 2: the thing that pushes us to keep like trying to
Speaker 2: be better, trying to get better at this thing, trying
Speaker 2: to hone our craft, trying to evolve as an artist,
Speaker 2: like and be better every single job. Like I don't
Speaker 2: think this is the kind of thing that you ever
Speaker 2: go like, I got it, Like I'm like, I know
Speaker 2: exactly what I'm doing and what I'm gonna do, Like
Speaker 2: I think any I think the actors, oh think like that,
Speaker 2: like usually are not that good.
Speaker 1: I would agree with you. I would agree I agree
Speaker 1: with you. I think the thing I'm missing is the
Speaker 1: divinity is the thing that I'm missing. The piece is
Speaker 1: the thing that I'm missing. The her quote that is
Speaker 1: a fantastic quote which I've heard before, but like the
Speaker 1: divinity in it, the divine sat dissatisfaction is the thing
Speaker 1: that I'm missing.
Speaker 2: I am just sitting in the distisfaction. Divine the divine
Speaker 2: dissatisfaction keeps us marching on or something like that. That's
Speaker 2: exceptional fire. It's the thing that keeps like pushing you
Speaker 2: forward to.
Speaker 1: Get which is like, oh, I want to get better,
Speaker 1: as opposed to like, oh my god, I'm horrible in this.
Speaker 1: I hate myself, you know, which is like, yeah that is,
Speaker 1: and that's actually not true. I don't hate myself in it.
Speaker 1: I just hate my face. No, I'm just kidding. I
Speaker 1: ah more better. Anyway, what are we talking about this week?
Speaker 2: We are talking about on our very first episode back
Speaker 2: making decisions.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, this is a hard one for me sometimes
Speaker 1: other times I'm a master at it. So I can't
Speaker 1: wait to get into this because, like, I really feel
Speaker 1: like this is a this is something that we get
Speaker 1: challenged by all the time. Yeah, what's your experience with
Speaker 1: making decisions? I can be really good at it if
Speaker 1: like so both of us have directed, or you've directed
Speaker 1: a lot more than me. But I found that one
Speaker 1: of the things that was easiest for me directing television
Speaker 1: was making choices. I was just like, oh, this that
Speaker 1: the other You know, people will come up to you
Speaker 1: all day and ask you, like, what do you think
Speaker 1: about this? What is this choice?
Speaker 2: You know, all day you have to make decisions.
Speaker 1: Whether it was like all day you know, do you
Speaker 1: want the window brighter? Do you want the do what
Speaker 1: do you want her to wear? What do you want
Speaker 1: to like?
Speaker 2: Do you like the darker blue shirt or the lighter
Speaker 2: blue shirt?
Speaker 1: For this, I was like bing bang boom, boom, boom boom,
Speaker 1: Like those choices were so easy for me. Decorating my house,
Speaker 1: I was like this, this, this, this, like I knew
Speaker 1: things were when things were wrong immediately like I was like, no,
Speaker 1: that's not right. I mean we need to change that
Speaker 1: or whatever. I'm really good at it if I'm passionate
Speaker 1: about the thing that's happening, but like I get totally frozen.
Speaker 1: Like yesterday we had the whole day free in New
Speaker 1: York until we had to take the peloton class at five.
Speaker 1: Brad was like, what do you want to do? And
Speaker 1: I was frozen, locked into my phone like looking for
Speaker 1: like what do I want to do? I don't know,
Speaker 1: I just want it for an hour in New York
Speaker 1: City or city. What about you?
Speaker 2: I think I'm very similar. Yeah, I was going to
Speaker 2: say that I feel like I operate in the two
Speaker 2: extremes when it comes to decisions of either being incredibly
Speaker 2: decisive or completely frozen, like there's no in between. I
Speaker 2: wish I could find more in between, but I don't
Speaker 2: know how to live in the in between. I'm either
Speaker 2: so annoyingly indecisive or I'm just like no, we should
Speaker 2: do this, Like yeah, definitely, that same experience with directing,
Speaker 2: like all day, answering all those questions was like so easy, easy,
Speaker 2: and and even just like in work or yeah, I
Speaker 2: just I'm I'm so decisive in the moment, but when
Speaker 2: it comes to like what should we have for dinner tonight,
Speaker 2: I will become catatonic, Like I will catatonic.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, I will.
Speaker 2: Just this blank stare takes over my face and I
Speaker 2: just stare at my husband or my refrigerator, and I go, yes,
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't open the open and stair the open and
Speaker 1: stair is I have so much trouble like making lunch
Speaker 1: for myself because I'll just open the fridge and stare
Speaker 1: and be like, well, there's a package of turkey and
Speaker 1: there's a package of cheese, and I can make a
Speaker 1: turkey cheese roll up, but I have to open both
Speaker 1: packages and I slowly close the refrigerator and grab and
Speaker 1: grab like a bar something that I don't have to
Speaker 1: do more than two steps. Have such a hard time.
Speaker 1: Why why is it so hard? I just the hardest
Speaker 1: decision you've ever had to make, Like what's the hardest
Speaker 1: thing that you've ever had, Like that you had to
Speaker 1: like really marinate on for a long time or it
Speaker 1: was a quick one, but it was just so hard
Speaker 1: to make.
Speaker 2: Maybe moving to la oh snap, Yeah. I feel like
Speaker 2: David was very like this is what we got like
Speaker 2: it was very clear and decisive for him, and I
Speaker 2: was like, I need a minute, because I was turning
Speaker 2: thirty and starting over in a whole new place felt
Speaker 2: overwhelmingly terrifying. Yeah, even though I'd spent a lot of
Speaker 2: time in LA And I was like, you know, pilot
Speaker 2: season still existed then, so I would fly out every
Speaker 2: year a couple times a year.
Speaker 1: Side note for the listeners at home, Oh yeah, Melissa,
Speaker 1: will you explain to us what pilot season was.
Speaker 2: Pilot season used to be this magical, stressful time of
Speaker 2: year where all the television networks would put all the
Speaker 2: potential new shows that they were going to they were
Speaker 2: going to do the first episode of, and you would
Speaker 2: and it would happen February through like March, and of
Speaker 2: March early April, and you would just audition for a
Speaker 2: fuck load of pilots and then maybe you would test
Speaker 2: for one, and then maybe you would book one, and
Speaker 2: then maybe that pilot would get picked up and become
Speaker 2: an actual show. Those are like all the steps, cliff
Speaker 2: notes of all the steps, but they would all happen
Speaker 2: the same time of year to be ready for fall schedules.
Speaker 2: When we used to have TV schedules back in the day.
Speaker 2: Now we don't have that anymore, and now pilots happen
Speaker 2: throughout the year, which I don't miss pilot season because
Speaker 2: it was such a stressful time.
Speaker 1: Every year did it. It was dated, it hated it.
Speaker 2: And then especially as like a minority, most years were
Speaker 2: like bad. There was one year where I had thirty auditions, incredible,
Speaker 2: only one year. I think the average before that was
Speaker 2: like eight to ten.
Speaker 1: It's still incredible. My pilot season was like two if
Speaker 1: I was lucky too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but all the people I went to college with
Speaker 2: were like that was their average, Like that was that
Speaker 2: was what if you were a working actor. That was
Speaker 2: what most non minority i'll put it actors experienced. And
Speaker 2: then yeah, and I remember one year there. I had
Speaker 2: a friend who would audition a lot of your pilot
Speaker 2: season and there was one pilot season where you know,
Speaker 2: diversity was in and I probably was the same year
Speaker 2: that I had the thirty auditions and like there was
Speaker 2: more opportunity and he was like, ah, I only have
Speaker 2: like fifteen auditions this pilot season, and I was like,
Speaker 2: that's still a lot. And sometimes equality feels like oppression.
Speaker 1: You're so nice. I would have been like eat ship man,
Speaker 1: that fucking I wanted to do.
Speaker 2: But it was a very like sweet friend, but I did.
Speaker 1: I gently you gently told you were like not on
Speaker 1: some feces, just very not. So that's violot season, guys. Uh. Anyway,
Speaker 1: that was a tangent, but I got big, just a decision,
Speaker 1: move your whole life. All your friends were in New
Speaker 1: York and still.
Speaker 2: Are are like your close close buddies. Yeah, m hmmm,
Speaker 2: I mean yeah, some of them actually live other places now.
Speaker 2: But but at the time, yeah, it was like all
Speaker 2: my people, my cousins, my family.
Speaker 1: Your family, family's all eat both.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and so I it felt like a really daunting
Speaker 2: decision that I just had to sit on for a minute.
Speaker 2: And then I finally came around, you know. I mean,
Speaker 2: David kept reminding me. He was like, we're going to
Speaker 2: run out of money so fast.
Speaker 1: Because La was at that time.
Speaker 2: I'm still like LA caught up to New York the
Speaker 2: first two years we were here, but at the time
Speaker 2: it was still like cheaper, and I think in a
Speaker 2: lot of ways like it is you can still. I mean,
Speaker 2: it's so expensive now, but there there were a good
Speaker 2: number of years where like if you were crafty, you
Speaker 2: could live way cheaper. Like our rent was so much
Speaker 2: cheaper when we moved here than we've ever been in
Speaker 2: New York for a two bedroom apartment that we got
Speaker 2: in Hollywood, like in a shape of Hollywood.
Speaker 1: I mean that's like a bigger issue though, right, Like
Speaker 1: economy wise, I think, sorry, I'm just picking some fluff
Speaker 1: off my microphone, guys, as one does. Economy wise, I
Speaker 1: think everything's gotten harder in the last seven years. Everyone's
Speaker 1: money is having to stretch so much further. So like
Speaker 1: it isn't just our city that's gotten more expensive. It's
Speaker 1: like literally everywhere everyone and the cost of like living
Speaker 1: has gone up while the median income has stayed exactly
Speaker 1: the same. And that's on billionaires guys. A A. I
Speaker 1: feel like the biggest decision that I ever had to make,
Speaker 1: the biggest one that was like, oh my god, okay, okay, okay.
Speaker 1: It was like probably both like around life and death,
Speaker 1: was like am I gonna have a baby, and then
Speaker 1: am I going to bring my dad? Like my dad's
Speaker 1: my dad. When my dad was dying, it was like
Speaker 1: am I gonna what do I do? And that did
Speaker 1: feel like it wasn't like a hard decision. It was
Speaker 1: just like Okay, we're doing this, but it felt it
Speaker 1: felt like a big decision, you know, like Okay, he's
Speaker 1: gonna I'm gonna bring him here, and then like whatever happened,
Speaker 1: like he's gonna be with us, like he and my
Speaker 1: mom are gonna be with us. And then it's like
Speaker 1: whatever happens is gonna happen, Like if he lasts another
Speaker 1: six months, if he lasts a year. He ended up
Speaker 1: lasting a month, you know, but it was like he's
Speaker 1: coming here, He's coming here, like, but it felt very
Speaker 1: big because I knew it was gonna it was the
Speaker 1: rest of my life. You know. It's like, no matter
Speaker 1: what happens here from here on out, it's going to
Speaker 1: be different because like whether or not he lasts, you know,
Speaker 1: lives another six months, like it's going to affect all
Speaker 1: of our lives on the day to day, you know,
Speaker 1: And it did for the last month that he was alive.
Speaker 1: It affected everything for the day to day. That was
Speaker 1: That was like a hard one because I it wasn't
Speaker 1: like a hard like choice, but it was hard. It
Speaker 1: was like this is the choice, and it's hard, kind
Speaker 1: of like having a baby. It was like it wasn't like,
Speaker 1: oh am I gonna am I not? It was like
Speaker 1: I want to and I know it's going to be hard.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: Do you have like an approach to making those big decisions, like,
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: Do you journal about it? Do you make a list?
Speaker 1: Do you talk? As we've discussed on this podcast.
Speaker 2: I fucking hate you fucking hate journals. Yeah, I'm so
Speaker 2: sorry that. I'm so sorry that I said the words.
Speaker 1: It's okay. I write things down. I do make lists
Speaker 1: sometimes I make lists. I think for those big things,
Speaker 1: I try to just talk it out with my partner.
Speaker 1: I talk it out with Brad a lot, but especially
Speaker 1: if he's involved, you know, because yeah, I think with
Speaker 1: those big things, I don't know that you're solitary necessarily
Speaker 1: when you're making those kinds of those kinds of decisions
Speaker 1: like moving.
Speaker 2: Right, Like because that one didn't just affect you, it
Speaker 2: affected multiple people.
Speaker 1: Right, So like then you have to kind of take
Speaker 1: into account everybody's, like how everybody's going to feel about
Speaker 1: this thing. But like, I think group decisions are hard
Speaker 1: like that, and it's not a group, it's more like
Speaker 1: a partnership, right, Like although I guess with my dad.
Speaker 1: It was a group decision. It was like me, my mom, my, sister, Anne,
Speaker 1: Brad all kind of going like we're gonna have to
Speaker 1: like band together to do this and like we don't
Speaker 1: know what's going to happen. All hands on deck. Yeah right,
Speaker 1: But like I'm really bad when I'm such a control freak,
Speaker 1: like when it comes to like group group things, like
Speaker 1: like when we take the whole girl, like when we
Speaker 1: go on I mean like when you're talking about like
Speaker 1: we went with multiple families to Palm Desert. I was like,
Speaker 1: this sounds like my naightmare. I mean, I I cannot
Speaker 1: I have. I'm like, I mean, you've been with me
Speaker 1: to Disneyland, and I'm like, no one leaves a group.
Speaker 1: The group doesn't separate, you know what I mean? Like
Speaker 1: I get really like the group doesn't separate. We say together,
Speaker 1: we're going to the bathroom, We're all going together. Okay.
Speaker 1: I might have a hard time. This is when we're
Speaker 1: eating and this is where we're eating.
Speaker 2: I have a hard time. But here's the thing. I
Speaker 2: think that's okay. So I can be that person if
Speaker 2: I see that no one else is taking that role,
Speaker 2: I'm I can I can plan, I can buy default
Speaker 2: by default, by default. This trip we went on to Lakinta.
Speaker 2: It was for uh four families. It's my little like
Speaker 2: mom group. We all met in prenatal yoga. We did
Speaker 2: any class together and we've just like they've been the
Speaker 2: group of women that have helped me like navigate especially
Speaker 2: the early years of motherhood, which shout out to them
Speaker 2: every I hope every mother has that in their life
Speaker 2: because there's been so many times where it's like my
Speaker 2: kid is doing this and it's fucking annoying and then
Speaker 2: they're like yup, and you're like, oh, okay, it's normal
Speaker 2: and anyway. But one of the moms in the group
Speaker 2: is like a super type a planner. She find she
Speaker 2: found the deal for the hotel, She booked all our
Speaker 2: rooms and sent the vouchers to us. She made all
Speaker 2: their dinner reservations like she would like in our Oh fucking.
Speaker 1: Love her, yeah, I love her yeah.
Speaker 2: And she'll be like you know, she'll go to the
Speaker 2: group for little decisions. But she's so good too because
Speaker 2: like restaurants. We the last time we went, because we
Speaker 2: went to this place two years ago for Labor Day weekend,
Speaker 2: we had dinner one night at the steakhouse and it
Speaker 2: was terrible because we all had toddlers and it's like
Speaker 2: a nice steakhouse and they it just wasn't family friendly
Speaker 2: and everybody was stressed out and like shoving food down
Speaker 2: their mouth and like trying to get the fuck out
Speaker 2: of there. Yeah, and so she was like, we don't
Speaker 2: want to do the steakhouse again, right, and we were
Speaker 2: like fuck no. And then she was like, okay, so
Speaker 2: we love the Mexican place, and like there's this other place.
Speaker 2: You want to do Mexican two nights and we were
Speaker 2: like no, yeah, let's do Mexican. Let's do the other place,
Speaker 2: like let's try it. And it was great. It was
Speaker 2: like a bistro kind of burgers and bar food kind of.
Speaker 1: It was good.
Speaker 2: Perfect, And so she was like done and she was
Speaker 2: like five thirty good because we hit there's some very
Speaker 2: littles and you know, and we were like, yeah, great
Speaker 2: early dinner, love it, and she's just like and then
Speaker 2: she was like, okay, this is what we're bringing, like
Speaker 2: here's some ideas, like if you guys want to bring
Speaker 2: some floaties, like.
Speaker 1: She just handled it.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, amazing. And we all just showed up
Speaker 2: and we did our parts and like brought you know,
Speaker 2: extra snacks and extra floaties for the kids and games
Speaker 2: and like, you know, we all like chipped in. We
Speaker 2: also weren't like fucking assholes.
Speaker 1: That's the other thing. If you're in a.
Speaker 2: Group, you also like have to contribute, not just like
Speaker 2: let the person do every you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: I was like, I got board games, I got this,
Speaker 2: I got you know, I'm gonna bring this.
Speaker 1: That's the thing. She she she shaped it so that
Speaker 1: you guys could make some choices like oh, I'll bring
Speaker 1: this or I'll bring this. Yeah, I'm gonna I want
Speaker 1: to make a choice about where we're gonna eat. But
Speaker 1: she did. She wasn't like where do you guys want
Speaker 1: to eat? She was like Mexican Okay, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. Like she she had a handle on it,
Speaker 1: but still had flexibility, so it didn't feel like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, we're doing everything, yes she wants to do.
Speaker 1: Would you rather like your life? I know the answer
Speaker 1: for myself. Would you rather have more choices or less
Speaker 1: choices in your life? Oh? My god, less choices.
Speaker 2: Nothing stresses me out more than when I go to
Speaker 2: a fucking restaurant and the menu is more than.
Speaker 1: A page long. Oh my god.
Speaker 2: I if I see a book, I need to decide
Speaker 2: what I'm going to eat before I walk into a
Speaker 2: cheesecake factory because that fucking book stresses me out so much.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's real. That's real.
Speaker 2: If I walk into a restaurant and there's like four
Speaker 2: or five entree choices, I am so happy. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: like this place is amazing. I love it. Yes, I cannot.
Speaker 2: I need less choices. Give me two or three options.
Speaker 2: I'm good to go. If you give me ten, I'm
Speaker 2: that catatonic look on my face is gonna come and
Speaker 2: I'm gonna be like I don't know what tox. That's
Speaker 2: how New York City feels to me.
Speaker 1: It's like I don't know where I'm going, Like there's
Speaker 1: so many funny vintage choices. There's so many, Like I
Speaker 1: was like, I want to go to a store, I
Speaker 1: want to go to I want to go And then
Speaker 1: it was like ooh, like I felt like I was
Speaker 1: gonna have an aneurysm. There's so many choices about where
Speaker 1: to look at things, and like, yeah, and also me,
Speaker 1: I love I love choices too. In that like I
Speaker 1: was thinking about, like I was thinking about for you.
Speaker 1: You know, you and I share a stylist and Ariel
Speaker 1: and I always joke, but like you'll come in and
Speaker 1: try on like three things and like if they fit great,
Speaker 1: You're like, yes, done, We're done. Like we're done.
Speaker 2: Like she literally asked me to drive try on more.
Speaker 1: Me, try on a couple more things. Meanwhile, She'll have
Speaker 1: like a rack of clothes for me, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: is this it there? What about that? Can I try
Speaker 1: that on? Is that someone else's Did they say no
Speaker 1: to it? Can I try it on? Like I love
Speaker 1: choosing things to wear, like I love it. Meanwhile, I'm
Speaker 1: always in the same thing. I'm always in like a
Speaker 1: vintage T shirt, Levi's jeans. But like, I love having
Speaker 1: the choices, right, Like my closet is full of Like
Speaker 1: so if you want to do and.
Speaker 2: You see a small rack, you're immediately stressed out.
Speaker 1: If I see a small rack, I'm not stressed. I'm
Speaker 1: just like, oh okay, Oh it's very curated today. I
Speaker 1: wonder what is here? You know, I prefer to see
Speaker 1: I prefer to see a rack that looks hefty so
Speaker 1: that I'm like, oh, there's gonna be a lot of
Speaker 1: choices here. And that's also because like I know that
Speaker 1: clothes are hard. Clothes are I mean, this is something
Speaker 1: that we can talk about bodies on a future episode.
Speaker 1: But like clothes are hard because they're not. They're all
Speaker 1: made on different fit models. They all fit us differently.
Speaker 1: All of our bodies are different, and like sometimes something
Speaker 1: will fit, you know, on the top for me, but
Speaker 1: then like the butt, just like my booty is Listen,
Speaker 1: I've been doing my my pilates, I've been doing my peloton,
Speaker 1: and my booty is booty ing right now, you know. Okay, Okay,
Speaker 1: I mean listen, I'm really trying to battle the side.
Speaker 1: Note my mom, My mom doesn't listen to this, so
Speaker 1: it's okay. But like my mom came over like Labor
Speaker 1: Day weekend, which we were all in the pool and stuff,
Speaker 1: and my mom's so cute in her little leopard bathing suit.
Speaker 2: But she's got like a slat.
Speaker 1: But yeah, like I call her SpongeBob square butt, and
Speaker 1: like I've inherited the SpongeBob square butt. And sometimes I
Speaker 1: see my own butt and like in a picture or something,
Speaker 1: and I'm like that's SpongeBob score butt. So I have
Speaker 1: to really battle the SpongeBob scare butt. You know exactly
Speaker 1: what I'm talking about. It looks like fucking square and
Speaker 1: yeah thistical genetically, sometimes my booty be looking like a square.
Speaker 1: Shout out to wrang those jeans that never make my
Speaker 1: booty look like a square. Thank you wranglers. Yes. How
Speaker 1: do you teach your boys to make choices? Do you
Speaker 1: give them choices? Is this something that you like with them?
Speaker 1: I do.
Speaker 2: I have two pretty wilful boys. One is much more
Speaker 2: willful than the other and needs choices. Like if you
Speaker 2: only give him one choice, he's like what else is available?
Speaker 2: It's like living total little lawyer. So I do as
Speaker 2: often as I can. But then also I see the
Speaker 2: other side of it, like sometimes sometimes David will say
Speaker 2: like what do you want to eat to lunch to
Speaker 2: the children, and I'm like, nope, nope, no, I'm like,
Speaker 2: that's like that's a terrible question. They're going to tell
Speaker 2: you they're they're going to go into paralysis, or they're
Speaker 2: going to ask for a pizza or candy or like
Speaker 2: you know. I was like, give them two choices, or
Speaker 2: just make something and give it to them. Yeah, so
Speaker 2: I feel like there's a time and a place I
Speaker 2: do try to give like two or three decisions. Now
Speaker 2: having a nine year old, it's really interesting because we're
Speaker 2: getting into like tween years. Like literally, I had this
Speaker 2: realization the other day where I was like, oh my god,
Speaker 2: I think I have a tween and then somebody like
Speaker 2: confirmed it for me. They were like, yeah, that like
Speaker 2: that's that's nine to twelve. Those are the tween years.
Speaker 1: And I was like, ugh, but my god, I was
Speaker 1: still playing with when I was nine, I know, but
Speaker 1: it is I was like playing with dolls bro. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I was like Samantha from the American Girls,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like I was like reading Girls. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Like no, you're still a kid.
Speaker 2: But it like biologically, it's when like the first little
Speaker 2: bits of hormones like start coming in and I've seen
Speaker 2: it in some moodswings like yeah, okay. So he oh
Speaker 2: so he had to pick an elective for the first
Speaker 2: time in school and there was four or five choices okay,
Speaker 2: and it was the first time where uh we really
Speaker 2: had to like talk it out. I was like, oh, shoot,
Speaker 2: he has to like decide something kind of big and
Speaker 2: we have to like weigh the pros and cons, and
Speaker 2: like what was hard was he didn't really want to
Speaker 2: do any of them because we thought we thought debate
Speaker 2: was going to be one of the choices and it wasn't.
Speaker 2: And so oh he was because when I told him that,
Speaker 2: he was like, what's debate? And I was like, you
Speaker 2: just argue with people to like prove your right.
Speaker 1: Oh my god. He was like he was like wow, wow, wow, wow,
Speaker 1: wow wow, my life's calling. Oh god, that's so funny. Goddamn,
Speaker 1: that's funny.
Speaker 2: So he had a pick, like, you know, two of
Speaker 2: them were music based, and then there's like drama and dance.
Speaker 2: He was like, definitely not dance. Definitely not drama. So
Speaker 2: he's like, I know, I thought maybe there would be
Speaker 2: no he was like hard pass on the drama ross
Speaker 2: well from him, he was like getting up in front
Speaker 2: of people and like acting. God, no, okay, okay, yeah.
Speaker 2: I was like, well, what if part of drama is
Speaker 2: like making up the things for people to do. He's like,
Speaker 2: it's not. I already asked that and I was like okay, ah,
Speaker 2: but yeah, so yeah, it's just beginning. And I and
Speaker 2: I it wasn't something I put a lot of thought into,
Speaker 2: but I guess I approached it the way I like
Speaker 2: you were saying, like, I think I make a lot
Speaker 2: of decisions by like talking it out, Like I need
Speaker 2: to talk it out, like whether it's with David or
Speaker 2: friend or you know, it's like it depends on what
Speaker 2: the decision is that I find, Like I'll go to
Speaker 2: a person that I feel like maybe an expert or
Speaker 2: is going to be smarter than me in that world.
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 2: You know, like I've got I go to you sometimes
Speaker 2: for work decisions, or I've gone I've gone to Andy
Speaker 2: sometimes for work decisions, like and uh, and I just
Speaker 2: have to talk it out and then I'm usually talking
Speaker 2: it out. By the end of talking it out and
Speaker 2: you're like weighing pros and cons, it just becomes clearer
Speaker 2: what you want to do.
Speaker 1: So what you're talking about right now, I think is
Speaker 1: so fascinating because what you're talking about is is accessing
Speaker 1: and practicing your critical thinking skills, your actual like brain
Speaker 1: going like what do I want when I critically look
Speaker 1: at this decision that I'm gonna make, I want to
Speaker 1: talk about it. It's like, and then I want to
Speaker 1: that thing that I like to say, which is like
Speaker 1: I want to not just play the trailer, I want
Speaker 1: to watch the whole movie, Like what happens at the
Speaker 1: end of this if I choose this right? Yeah, And
Speaker 1: like this is where I think letting chat GBT and
Speaker 1: like I just went like this with my hands. But
Speaker 1: like when you're asking, when you're asking your phone like
Speaker 1: to make these choices for you, that's when it gets
Speaker 1: really sticky, because like critical thinking is a practice. It
Speaker 1: is a it's yeah, is a practice, and it's like
Speaker 1: it is like working out. It's like working out these
Speaker 1: parts of your brain that are looking at something and
Speaker 1: act assessing whether or not you agree or disagree and
Speaker 1: what you like and what you think about it, as
Speaker 1: opposed to just giving it over to something like AI,
Speaker 1: which is like make this choice for me an AI
Speaker 1: is listen. AI is great for a lot of things.
Speaker 1: Chatgybts really can be really helpful, but it does always
Speaker 1: come with a disclaimer, which is like most of this
Speaker 1: stuff is wrong, Like you have to follow up more better,
Speaker 1: more better. So like something that isis our producer looked
Speaker 1: up for us in our nerve time is dependence and
Speaker 1: reliability over reliance on AI could lead to a loss
Speaker 1: of critical thinking skills and judgment among individuals. The inability
Speaker 1: to discern between AI generated and human generated insights can
Speaker 1: be detrimental in situations requiring independent decision making, which is
Speaker 1: like really scary and not to get too dark about it,
Speaker 1: because this podcast is called more Better, but there there
Speaker 1: are a lot of teenagers that are relying on chat,
Speaker 1: GYBT and different forms of AI to help them make
Speaker 1: decisions because they're really like confused or unable to sort
Speaker 1: of move forward, right, And that's where I think parental
Speaker 1: guidance or like mentor guidance can really come in handy
Speaker 1: because talking things out with a kid, talking things out
Speaker 1: with friends, and being able to be vulnerable and say
Speaker 1: like I don't know what the right decision is. I
Speaker 1: actually don't know. Can you help me with a real
Speaker 1: person versus a computer? You know, an artificial intelligence is
Speaker 1: is is not going to come at you with like
Speaker 1: maybe the empathy or sympathy or or human experiences that
Speaker 1: haven't been distilled down into like you know, BuzzFeed articles
Speaker 1: that AI is grabbing outs information from, right, Like, I
Speaker 1: think that that's a big that's big that you're helping
Speaker 1: your kid through these like first steps of like what
Speaker 1: choices do I want to make that reflect who I
Speaker 1: want to be? Slash am what I do don't like,
Speaker 1: which is like I don't want to get them in
Speaker 1: running people right now? You know, like that might change?
Speaker 1: What did he end up deciding bad banned? Yeah he
Speaker 1: knew it, so he knew it. Has he watched School
Speaker 1: of Rock by the way, Oh no, that's a good
Speaker 1: Oh good, it's so funny, dude, it's such a great movie. Oh,
Speaker 1: such a great movie. Oh my god.
Speaker 2: We sort of went with, you know, like so much
Speaker 2: back and forth, and I finally just went just ask
Speaker 2: your friends what they're doing, and be with your friends again,
Speaker 2: real the people they really like, spend like more time
Speaker 2: with during the day, Spend more time with those with friends, go,
Speaker 2: spend more time with them and pick the same elective. Yeah, yes,
Speaker 2: I was like, and then you know you're gonna have
Speaker 2: a good time regardless of what it is.
Speaker 1: Yes, you know. Yeah that also brings me to this
Speaker 1: other part of your time, which is the good enough rule.
Speaker 1: In his twenty sixteen book The Paradox of Choice, Why
Speaker 1: More is Less, psychology professor Barry Schwartz says people tend
Speaker 1: to make decisions in one of two general ways. Maximizers
Speaker 1: try to find the perfect choice and compare everything. Satisfiers
Speaker 1: pick good enough. The paradoxes, maximizers make objectively better decisions,
Speaker 1: but might feel more regret and dissatisfaction. That's hilarious. That's
Speaker 1: that can be really true, because like sometimes I'm like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, oh my god, I'm my got And
Speaker 1: then I finally settle on and I'm like, oh, but
Speaker 1: what if I'd done the other thing as opposed to Eh, whatever,
Speaker 1: I'll just do this right, yeah, just kind of what
Speaker 1: we ended up doing on what was yesterday? Whatever yesterday was. Oh, girl,
Speaker 1: I don't know what day it is anymore. Girl, did
Speaker 1: I tell you our flight was delayed? I'm doing this
Speaker 1: on like four hours of sleep. Nothing. Oh my flight
Speaker 1: was delayed on the tarmac. Speaking of choices, we had
Speaker 1: a choice whether or not to get off the plane
Speaker 1: at one point, and I was like, no, I'm not
Speaker 1: getting off this plane. I can ride this plane all
Speaker 1: the way to LA. We were on the tarmac, or
Speaker 1: not even the tarmac. We were at the gate for
Speaker 1: two hours and then we had another hour wait on Oh,
Speaker 1: I watched Dirty dancing holds up, great movie?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, oh ahead of okay, ahead of its time,
Speaker 2: truly ahead of time time.
Speaker 1: Okay, I want to do this thing? Wait, hold on,
Speaker 1: where is it? I just found us this thing. Let's
Speaker 1: end with this. Which is this rapid fire game called
Speaker 1: the this or that question Generator. It's like a team
Speaker 1: building exercise. We can link it on the story in
Speaker 1: our stories or something great. This post contains what you
Speaker 1: found our list of this or that questions. This or
Speaker 1: that questions are prompts to ask participants to choose for
Speaker 1: one or two of two options. The purpose of these
Speaker 1: questions is usually to help adults break the ice or
Speaker 1: service quick and fun game for friends. These prompts are
Speaker 1: also known as either or questions. Oh, I'm going to
Speaker 1: scroll down to the click and the click for the
Speaker 1: randomized questions. Are you ready Melissa? Okay, I'm ready? Okay.
Speaker 1: Messy desk or clean desk? Clean dusk cleaned? Us? Mowing
Speaker 1: the yard or the garden? Oh?
Speaker 3: Weating?
Speaker 2: Weating cookies are brownies, brownies cookies? Watch sports or play sports?
Speaker 2: Watch sports?
Speaker 1: Okay? Sun or moon moon? Ooh sun Son? Robots are dinosaurs.
Speaker 1: Oh oh, they'll both kill us TV or movies TV TV,
Speaker 1: owe money or oh a favor. I'd rather owe money, honestly,
Speaker 1: I would. Also, I don't want to owe nobody in
Speaker 1: a favorite, you know what I mean? Like, I don't
Speaker 1: know what you're gonna ask me to do.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, It's like when school asked you to
Speaker 2: do shit, and I'm like, can I just give you money?
Speaker 1: Just get Can I just give you money I don't
Speaker 1: want Can we.
Speaker 2: All just not do this thing that we all don't
Speaker 2: want to do and.
Speaker 1: Just give you money? Oh my god? Would you rather
Speaker 1: be embarrassed or be afraid?
Speaker 2: I'd rather be afraid rather be be is like, wow,
Speaker 2: I don't know that's and I feel like I gave
Speaker 2: a tricky answer though, because it's really hard to embarrass me.
Speaker 1: Okay, so it's just no, no, it just means I
Speaker 1: don't I challenge accepted. Wow. Okay, so I'll remember that.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 1: Fruits are vegetables. Vegetables. Fruits. Words are actions words. Actions.
Speaker 1: I love romance. I mean I'm thinking about it romantically.
Speaker 1: Chocolate or vanilla, vanilla.
Speaker 2: Chocolate, Hot coffee or iced coffee. I know your answer
Speaker 2: depends on the hot, but I did have an ice
Speaker 2: latte today.
Speaker 1: Oh, because it's fucking hot out, call first thing in
Speaker 1: the morning or call in the middle of the night.
Speaker 1: Let's say it's someone calling you, I'd rather call first
Speaker 1: thing in the morning. If it's the middle of the night,
Speaker 1: that's an emergency, that's scary.
Speaker 2: Yeah, first in the morning, right, But I am talking
Speaker 2: not useful for no, please don't call me for an
Speaker 2: emergen the morning.
Speaker 1: No, I'm going to change.
Speaker 2: My answer to the middle of the night because I'm
Speaker 2: actually going to be more useful.
Speaker 1: And then you'll be like, what's going on.
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm in, I'm locked in, I will go, I've
Speaker 2: got I will I'm British shovel, I will do whatever.
Speaker 1: Would you a speeding ticket or parking ticket? Parking ticket? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't want to be I don't want uh uhh no.
Speaker 1: Sneezing or coughing, ew, coughing, disgusting both of them laughing you.
Speaker 2: I hate sneezing so much. My whole family makes fun
Speaker 2: of me because I will yell the F word after
Speaker 2: I sneeze, because.
Speaker 1: Everyone you like sneezed. Did you sneeze your cough like
Speaker 1: right in my mouth? That one time when you were sick.
Speaker 1: Oh my god.
Speaker 2: I just told that story on Angela Johnson's podcast. I
Speaker 2: had strep throat and I laughed.
Speaker 1: I didn't cough.
Speaker 2: I laughed and a little bit in my mouth, a
Speaker 2: tiny piece of spit went into Stephanie's mouth, and I
Speaker 2: was like, for her, wedding was before your wedding or
Speaker 2: before your botch Ratt party. It was right before, like
Speaker 2: a wedding event. I don't remember if it was the
Speaker 2: wedding itself or a wedding event.
Speaker 1: I conducted myself very well in that moment. I wasn't
Speaker 1: like you did you?
Speaker 2: I was like, I could tell that you maybe wanted
Speaker 2: to kill me, but but exact way, what can you do?
Speaker 2: What can you restrange yourself? And you think like you
Speaker 2: didn't get sick? God, that was the worst case of
Speaker 2: strap and I can't believed and get it.
Speaker 1: I had a pimple that I manifested away the morning
Speaker 1: of my wedding. I was like, no, you're not you're not, No,
Speaker 1: you're not here, You're not invited to this. You have
Speaker 1: to go away.
Speaker 2: We're going to You're gonna go back into the body
Speaker 2: and you're yeah at a later time.
Speaker 1: And it did. It dissipated.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I believe that. Shit, that's the power of mine.
Speaker 1: I do too, That's that's the power of me making
Speaker 1: a decision. Okay, last question, Christmas or your birthday? Oh Christmas?
Speaker 1: That Christmas? Yeah, listen, I love not you Juanna. Okay,
Speaker 1: that was fine. It reminded mad like a BuzzFeed quiz. God.
Speaker 1: I used to love those. Oh my god, that was fun. Well,
Speaker 1: we will link that somewhere for you guys to do,
Speaker 1: because that is a fun kind of game for people.
Speaker 2: Yeah, more better.
Speaker 1: Okay, what'd you learn today? And I learned?
Speaker 2: Well, I think I learned that maybe I'm better at
Speaker 2: decisions than I thought I was when we started this conversation. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and like that, there's not really a right way or
Speaker 2: a wrong way to make a decision.
Speaker 1: No, not really works for you. I want to start
Speaker 1: calling this part takeaway because that's what the Brits call takeout.
Speaker 1: Oh we're gonna do what's your takeaways? What's your takeaways?
Speaker 1: I like that? Yeah, yeah, I agree with you. My
Speaker 1: takeaway is like, I'm not this is okay. The way
Speaker 1: that I'm doing this is all right. I don't have
Speaker 1: to get upset at it's really the judgment around the
Speaker 1: decision making. Yeah, that is the worst part. It's like
Speaker 1: me judging myself as doing a bad job on my
Speaker 1: trip by being a little bit paralyzed. Like, so what,
Speaker 1: I still had a great day. It was really fun.
Speaker 1: I did stuff that like I didn't plan for but
Speaker 1: was still fun and exciting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you were in a place where there's like
Speaker 2: too many decisions.
Speaker 1: It's fine.
Speaker 2: So it's fine. That was a very human reaction. Incredible
Speaker 2: an overwhelming place, New York City.
Speaker 1: It's not for the week. Do you feel a little
Speaker 1: more better? I always feel a little way better. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I do.
Speaker 2: I do.
Speaker 1: It's a good guys, season two. We're up to a
Speaker 1: great start. We're so excited to continue doing this podcast.
Speaker 1: Thank you guys for listening. We're so excited to bring
Speaker 1: you more stuff. Please continue sending us your questions and
Speaker 1: stuff like that, because we love talking about it and
Speaker 1: we'd love giving advice, even though we're totally unqualified. Anyway.
Speaker 1: We'll see you guys next time. See next Dame Baby,
Speaker 1: more more better. Do you have something you'd like to
Speaker 1: be more better at that you want us to talk
Speaker 1: about in a future episode?
Speaker 2: Can you relate to our struggles or have you tried
Speaker 2: one of our tips and tricks?
Speaker 1: Shoot us your thoughts and ideas at Morebetter pod at
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Speaker 1: Mikuntura podcast network, hosted by me, Stephanie Beatrice, and Melissa Fumero.
Speaker 1: More Better is produced by ISIS Madrid and Sophie Spencer Zabels.
Speaker 2: Our executive producers are Stephanie Beatrice, myself, Melissa Kumero, along
Speaker 2: with Wilmore Valderrama and Leo Klem at WV Sound and
Speaker 2: ISIS Madrid.
Speaker 1: This episode was edited by ISIS Madrid and engineered by
Speaker 1: Sean Tracy and features original music by Madison Davenport and
Speaker 1: Hello Boy. Our cover art is by Vincent Remis and
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Speaker 2: You listen to your favorite shows. See you next week,
Speaker 2: Sugas Bye,