WEBVTT -  "I Will Become Catatonic” | Decisions

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<v Speaker 1>Remember when you like sneezed. Did you sneeze your cough

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<v Speaker 1>like right in my mouth that one time when you

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<v Speaker 1>were sick. I didn't cough.

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<v Speaker 2>I laughed and a little bit in my mouth. A

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<v Speaker 2>tiny piece of spit went into Stephanie's mouth. And it

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<v Speaker 2>was right before her wedding.

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<v Speaker 1>And I was like, I conducted myself very well in

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<v Speaker 1>that moment. I wasn't like you did you.

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, I could tell that you maybe wanted

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<v Speaker 2>to kill me, but you restrained yourself.

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<v Speaker 3>More and more Better, More and Better, got a little bit.

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<v Speaker 1>More better, more and more. Welcome to More Better, a

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<v Speaker 1>podcast where we stopped pretending to have it all together and.

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<v Speaker 2>Embraced the journey of becoming a little more better every day,

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<v Speaker 2>or at least trying to. That's most of a marrow,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's Stephanie vadris Hi.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome back. First episode back for the new season. Yay, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I cut my hair again? He did? I did? I

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<v Speaker 1>cut it again? That Bob on you. It's so good,

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<v Speaker 1>so much. You know. Here's how you know here. Here's

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<v Speaker 1>here's the thing. Social media it's awful. It can be

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<v Speaker 1>really great, but it can be really awful too, because

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<v Speaker 1>I was Fela butt coming on.

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<v Speaker 3>Well.

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, I really like my new hair. I

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<v Speaker 1>really am enjoying it. And someone coming, why do you

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<v Speaker 1>keep cutting your hair and then growing it back out?

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<v Speaker 1>Don't you realize that this look is really bad on you?

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<v Speaker 1>And I was like, oh, that's that's how you know

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<v Speaker 1>that you like your own haircut, because I was like

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<v Speaker 1>I don't care what this or something like yeah, and

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<v Speaker 1>then I immediately blocked them, right, but like, I really

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<v Speaker 1>like my haircut. I really I'm enjoying this.

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<v Speaker 2>When did we lose the If you have nothing nice

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<v Speaker 2>to say, don't say anything at all.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh assume we don't have to stand in front of

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<v Speaker 1>someone and like be a peron, you know what I mean? Like,

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<v Speaker 1>no one's gonna come up to you and stand there

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<v Speaker 1>and be like, why did you cut your hair again?

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<v Speaker 1>It doesn't look good, you know, Like because I would

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<v Speaker 1>be like, what's fucking wrong with you? What the hell

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<v Speaker 1>is wrong with you? Just keep your opinions to yourself. Also,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't give a shit what you think about my hair.

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<v Speaker 1>Like they would have to deal with somebody stepping up

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<v Speaker 1>to them, stepping up? Oh my god, do the kids.

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<v Speaker 1>I still know that no step, step up, like and

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<v Speaker 1>what you got. One time on the bus when I

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<v Speaker 1>was little, there was a new girl on the bus.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean I think I was like in sixth grade.

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<v Speaker 1>There was a new girl on the bus and I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't have glasses yet, so I was like squinting and

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<v Speaker 1>trying to figure out like her face and like whether

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<v Speaker 1>or not I could like come up walk up to

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<v Speaker 1>her and be like, Hi, do you wanna be friends?

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<v Speaker 1>And she was from a distinctly different let's say she

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<v Speaker 1>was tough and she came up to me on the

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<v Speaker 1>bus and was like, why do you keep mad dogging me?

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<v Speaker 1>Do you want to step up? And I was like

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know what either one of those things mean.

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<v Speaker 1>Like in my mind, I was like, I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know me We're gonna hang out? What is that?

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<v Speaker 1>Anyway? How have you been? What's been going on? Give

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<v Speaker 1>me a little update?

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<v Speaker 2>Download what has been going on? I have summered really

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<v Speaker 2>hard this year and it was great and it was

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<v Speaker 2>also exhausting, but it was great. It was the first

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<v Speaker 2>summer that I'm out of the toddler years officially, and

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<v Speaker 2>it was the first summer where I packed them so

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<v Speaker 2>quickly for our trips because I just had to take

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<v Speaker 2>a lot less shit.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, no diaper, there's no like.

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<v Speaker 2>No diapers, no white not even excessive snacks, like I

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<v Speaker 2>know what they're gonna tell you. What can you guys

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<v Speaker 2>read like yeah, like or I know I can get

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<v Speaker 2>at like I don't need you know, they're pretty they're

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<v Speaker 2>so used to the cross country flight too, that they

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<v Speaker 2>pretty much stay on their iPads the whole time, like

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<v Speaker 2>watching movies and whatever. And I'll maybe bring like one

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<v Speaker 2>activity for Axle for the little one in case he

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<v Speaker 2>gets bored of the iPad. But so travel was like

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<v Speaker 2>so easy, casey.

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<v Speaker 1>It's bored in case he gets bored of the iPad.

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<v Speaker 1>Is so funny to me, in case he gets bored

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<v Speaker 1>of me that the universe had his fingertips. Yeah, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>go onside. It was very funny, no truly.

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<v Speaker 2>And then like they also they they on trips, they'll

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<v Speaker 2>play together or they'll play by them, like you don't

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<v Speaker 2>have we don't have to hover. They know how to swim,

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<v Speaker 2>like so I can like lay on a lounge chair

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<v Speaker 2>while they're swimming or playing and I'm not you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm keeping an eye on them, but I don't have

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<v Speaker 2>to watch them like a hawk anymore. Like, and I

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<v Speaker 2>actually could rest. They're also big enough where like we

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<v Speaker 2>could sleep in in a bunch of mornings because they

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<v Speaker 2>would go to the kitchen and grab a banana and

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<v Speaker 2>just like wait for us to get up, like unbelievable, whole.

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<v Speaker 1>New life, like a whole new.

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<v Speaker 2>And I there were a few times this summer where

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<v Speaker 2>I turned to David I was like, we're doing so

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<v Speaker 2>many I mean we did like five trips with them

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<v Speaker 2>this summer.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>And I was like, I don't feel overwhelmed. I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>completely exhausted. I'm having a good time with them because

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<v Speaker 2>they're really like people now, Like we're having conversations and like,

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<v Speaker 2>it just was such a difference. And I never would

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<v Speaker 2>have imagined that we would have done that many trips

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<v Speaker 2>with them. I mean, we did a weekend trip to

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<v Speaker 2>New York, like an in and out trip with New York.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>You took them to New York City?

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<v Speaker 2>Did it was a real quick Any family members listening

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<v Speaker 2>to this, I'm sorry I didn't call you.

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<v Speaker 1>We were literally there for three days.

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<v Speaker 3>No.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, well that's impossible, so okay, wait list off the

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<v Speaker 1>places you went, and then did you stay with friends

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<v Speaker 1>or did you.

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<v Speaker 2>Stay with No, we got a hotel, Okay, Fat went

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<v Speaker 2>for our very good friends Michael and Harris were celebrating

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<v Speaker 2>their thirtieth wedding anniversary at Tavern on the Green and

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<v Speaker 2>it was beautiful and it meant so much to them

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<v Speaker 2>that we made the effort to go. But I also

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<v Speaker 2>was like, you know, I feel like, especially the last

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<v Speaker 2>few years, I've shifted to just like we got to

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<v Speaker 2>show up for the big moments, like yeah, for sure,

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<v Speaker 2>just got to make it work. And there's just one

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<v Speaker 2>of them where I was like, it's gonna be crazy,

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<v Speaker 2>it's gonna suck. We're going to take the kids, we're

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<v Speaker 2>going to go for a weekend, and we're just gonna

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<v Speaker 2>show up to his party. And we're so glad we did.

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<v Speaker 2>But they were so freaking happy to see the fucking

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<v Speaker 2>Statue of Liberty.

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<v Speaker 1>They really they were like super into it, so into it. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>was it about it? Is it like the life side

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<v Speaker 1>like or bigger than life?

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<v Speaker 2>What is it that they've seen so many pictures of

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<v Speaker 2>it and now they're seeing it in real life, more

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<v Speaker 2>so for the older one than the younger one. Axel

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<v Speaker 2>was like a little bit less impressed, but Enzo was

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<v Speaker 2>like mind blown. Took a gazillion pictures of the Statute

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<v Speaker 2>of Life, pretty so so happy, picked out this really

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<v Speaker 2>cool antique looking pocket watch at the gift shop.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god.

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<v Speaker 2>That he like treasures, and like when you ask him

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<v Speaker 2>about New York, he's like.

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<v Speaker 1>That was my favorite thing. And I'm like, oh my god.

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<v Speaker 2>And just like seeing who we could meet up with

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<v Speaker 2>in a park. And we went to a bunch of

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<v Speaker 2>playgrounds and walked around and and so did say the

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<v Speaker 2>pizza was the best pizza he's ever had in his life.

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<v Speaker 1>Good, we said, good man. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>The bagels though, he was like, the bagels were okay.

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<v Speaker 2>He said he likes Hank's bagels more.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh snap, Okay, so he's showing out to LA's Hanks bagels.

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<v Speaker 1>He's a little la baby, Yeah, La Baby, I know

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<v Speaker 1>it's amazing. So you really have crossed You've crossed the

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<v Speaker 1>line over. You've crossed the line over like a trip

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<v Speaker 1>or vacation, right, that thing that they say that you're

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<v Speaker 1>not you can't take a vacation with the kids.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, kind of it still feels like a trip, but

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<v Speaker 2>it definitely Yeah, there were there were moments of like,

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<v Speaker 2>this feels like a vacation.

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<v Speaker 1>If you had to give your if you had to

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<v Speaker 1>give it a overall score with like x percent vacation,

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<v Speaker 1>x percent trip, what would you give it this summer?

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<v Speaker 2>I would say this summer was maybe at like sixty

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<v Speaker 2>percent trip, thirty percent vacation.

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<v Speaker 1>That's good, that's good. I would And in the past

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<v Speaker 1>I would have said like ninety percent trip. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>yeah yeah. I don't take this child places.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because it's so hard with a toddler. But I

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<v Speaker 2>feel like I see the light. I feel like I'm like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>we could maybe think about doing bigger trips or longer

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<v Speaker 2>trips or yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Like something.

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<v Speaker 2>It feels now real. Yeah, I mean so it's I

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<v Speaker 2>mean it's coming. You're you're on the cusp.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, we're clot we're getting. I mean she does

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<v Speaker 1>really well when there's like activities and stuff, like we

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<v Speaker 1>took ros to Cleveland to see her aunt and uncle

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<v Speaker 1>and like that was fabulous and like we were there

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<v Speaker 1>for like literally a day and that was amazing and

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<v Speaker 1>she did really well. But I know, New York City,

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<v Speaker 1>whoof I don't think I could do it with her

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<v Speaker 1>I mean I barely do it with Brad, Like yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>very Brad has a hard time with the New York.

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<v Speaker 1>Like we were there for three days, three days just

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<v Speaker 1>over Labor Day for the US Open, and like the

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<v Speaker 1>reason that he had a good time was because like

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<v Speaker 1>got to go to the US Open. We saw a

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<v Speaker 1>play and he ate everything everything ever. You know, he

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<v Speaker 1>had like a list of places that he was going

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<v Speaker 1>to go and and you got to take a must

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<v Speaker 1>girl up. Helton class was pretty fun one. It was

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<v Speaker 1>really fun. Yeah, because like I don't know, I mean

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<v Speaker 1>I used to teach workout classes, like uh, there's something

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<v Speaker 1>that happens like in the studio when like everybody's like

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<v Speaker 1>you're about to kind of like feel you know, when

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<v Speaker 1>you're at home alone working out and you hit that

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<v Speaker 1>point where were like I could just stop here, like

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<v Speaker 1>I did, I did enough. You know, literally em a

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<v Speaker 1>love well. The teacher was like I know how you

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<v Speaker 1>feel right now. You're like I could stop, I've done enough.

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<v Speaker 1>And I was like she's in my mind, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>like she she's a witch's She was fabulous. She was

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<v Speaker 1>very very good at like just making us feel like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I don't know those teachers are really gifted.

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<v Speaker 1>They I hope they paid them a lot of money.

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<v Speaker 1>I really do, because they deserve it, because they just

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<v Speaker 1>make you feel like you could do anything. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I don't pay attention to like my

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<v Speaker 1>leaderboard scores and shit, because like, fuck you, I'm on

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<v Speaker 1>the bike working out. I don't need to look at shit.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't. We don't need that. No Brad does. He's

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<v Speaker 1>like all about it. After class. He was like, you

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<v Speaker 1>know who was first in the class leader board? And

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, let me guess. Oh my god, shut up, Brad.

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<v Speaker 1>I know it's really hard sometimes m m. But I

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<v Speaker 1>mean that I get it. Can come. Competition can push

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<v Speaker 1>people harder. Listen, when I'm in a pilates class, do

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<v Speaker 1>I pay attention to what the woman next to me

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<v Speaker 1>is doing? Absolutely? If she's holding that plank, I am

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<v Speaker 1>trying to also hold that plank. That's why I like

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<v Speaker 1>to sit, you know, like I like to get on

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<v Speaker 1>the machine. That's like next to the girl that looks

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<v Speaker 1>really strong, So I'm like, what's she gonna do? Can

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<v Speaker 1>I be as strong as her? Usually the answer is no,

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<v Speaker 1>but at least I get pushed a little harder. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>versus at home where I'm just like I've done enough,

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<v Speaker 1>Like I'm good, you know, although you stand up here

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<v Speaker 1>and like I'm in a stretch, stretch, I feel like, wait, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so you answered the question of like what have you

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<v Speaker 1>done lately? That's more better, which is like you've traveled

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<v Speaker 1>with your children and it's been not as hellish. By

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<v Speaker 1>the way, for those of you listening that don't have kids,

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<v Speaker 1>enjoy your time, yeah, because it really does shift a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>And it was magical to have some days with Brad

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<v Speaker 1>where my sister was watching Roz because yeah, it was

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<v Speaker 1>just nice. I mean, like I haven't slept in like

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<v Speaker 1>that in a long time. I mean it was you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it was really nice. It's just different. Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>And again toddler years, like they don't let you sleep in.

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<v Speaker 2>They eventually do our kids let us sleep in a

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<v Speaker 2>bunch of the summer. He does sleep, but she does.

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<v Speaker 2>She's asleeper.

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<v Speaker 1>She doesn't go to bed, but she does sleep. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>she's like her bedtime is like nine thirty or ten.

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<v Speaker 1>Like she's a fucking party and in that room. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>she's a little night owl. Yeah, what have you done

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<v Speaker 1>that's more better? Yeah? No, girl, like I've been very

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<v Speaker 1>I have continued my therapy journey. We're still taking our meds.

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<v Speaker 1>Great tis the Metal came out. If you guys haven't

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<v Speaker 1>watched it, it's on Peacock right now. All the season

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<v Speaker 1>has dropped.

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<v Speaker 2>I have watched the first two episodes and very behind him. Sorry,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm a very bad friend. Okay, it's okay, watched anything

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<v Speaker 2>all summer, but you got a.

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<v Speaker 1>Dude's head off in the episode two, and it's so bad.

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<v Speaker 1>I did. That's me jumping. That's me doing almost everything there.

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<v Speaker 1>I probably love to jumping so much.

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<v Speaker 2>I've known you for so long. I try to like.

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<v Speaker 2>The stunt work is really really good, though I can't

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<v Speaker 2>always tell when it's there's a swap, and I think

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<v Speaker 2>only I can tell in small moments because I know

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<v Speaker 2>you so so well. Yeah, but yeah, I saw that

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<v Speaker 2>jump and I was like that.

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<v Speaker 1>That was me. That was me. I'm really proud of it.

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<v Speaker 1>It's really I think the thing that's kind of hard

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<v Speaker 1>is that like a we don't know if we're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>get us a third season and be like, you know

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<v Speaker 1>that feeling for those of you that don't work in

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<v Speaker 1>television and film, which I think is probably a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of ourst listeners are just like cool normal people. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's you know, the feeling when like you take a

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<v Speaker 1>picture and or someone takes a picture of you and

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<v Speaker 1>post it on Instagram or Facebook or something, and you're like, no,

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<v Speaker 1>I look stupid, and uh, that is the feeling that

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<v Speaker 1>I have when I watch myself on TV. Really every

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<v Speaker 1>episode of the show, I have a really hard time.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh good, I like it's it's more like and like

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<v Speaker 1>rubbing my case. You guys, if you're not watching this

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<v Speaker 1>on you, I don't know. It's really hard for me.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's not even like how I look that part

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<v Speaker 1>is not even it's whatever. It's more like, oh no,

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<v Speaker 1>the disconnect between I thought I was being a good

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<v Speaker 1>actor in this scene and now I'm watching the scene

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm like, I'm kind of bad. Like I'm watching

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<v Speaker 1>it my work is not good. Well, continue watching this season.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, listen, here's the thing.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to watch Hypercriticals and I'm gonna I know

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<v Speaker 2>you are. I know you are because I know you

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<v Speaker 2>and we all do. We're all guilty of it. I

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<v Speaker 2>do the same thing. You go, oh why did I

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<v Speaker 2>make that choice? Or what would that take like I

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<v Speaker 2>get it. It's you know, there's a lot that is

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<v Speaker 2>out of our control, especially if we're not but.

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<v Speaker 1>Not the acting, and the actings in my control. And

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<v Speaker 1>I'm bad. I'm not bad.

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<v Speaker 2>My grand was like cakes that they use and stuff

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<v Speaker 2>like we we don't, you know, we do our thing

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<v Speaker 2>and then and then it's out of our hands. But

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<v Speaker 2>I can't wait to watch the rest of the series.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm gonna I'm gonna flood you with fucking compliment.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, here's what I was gonna say that I'm

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<v Speaker 1>trying to get more better at, which is just like

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<v Speaker 1>accepting somehow understanding that like, Okay, I'm not as good

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<v Speaker 1>as I wanted to be. That can be true at

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<v Speaker 1>the same time that the thing that I did I'm

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<v Speaker 1>really proud of, Like I am proud of the thing.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm proud of the show. I think it's so funny.

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<v Speaker 1>Everyone else is so great in it. It looks fucking fantastic,

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<v Speaker 1>like and how I felt when I was making it

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<v Speaker 1>was like that was such a special experience. It was

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<v Speaker 1>so special and like fun and like that can exist.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm trying to be more better out letting that exist

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<v Speaker 1>while also understanding like maybe I'm not as good as

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<v Speaker 1>an actor I thought it was, and I need to

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<v Speaker 1>like work on some stuff to get to the place

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<v Speaker 1>that I feel really really confident about the work that

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<v Speaker 1>I am looking at. Or I just do you know

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<v Speaker 1>what Adam Driver does, which does never watch anything that

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<v Speaker 1>I do. I don't know what the answer is here,

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<v Speaker 1>but I'm trying to be more fun.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I was going to add I also think that

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<v Speaker 2>part of what you're describing is true for almost any artists,

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<v Speaker 2>except maybe the really crazy narcissistic ones. But like we're

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<v Speaker 2>it's like that Martha Graham quote, Like there's this divine

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<v Speaker 2>dissatisfaction because you are because actually, when you're a brilliant

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<v Speaker 2>artist the way you are, you're you're always trying to

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<v Speaker 2>be better, Like you know what I mean. Like I

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<v Speaker 2>think I think it's accepting that it's always going to

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<v Speaker 2>be weird to watch ourselves. It's always going to be like,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, not enough. At the same time, that's also

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<v Speaker 2>the thing that pushes us to keep like trying to

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<v Speaker 2>be better, trying to get better at this thing, trying

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<v Speaker 2>to hone our craft, trying to evolve as an artist,

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<v Speaker 2>like and be better every single job. Like I don't

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<v Speaker 2>think this is the kind of thing that you ever

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<v Speaker 2>go like, I got it, Like I'm like, I know

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<v Speaker 2>exactly what I'm doing and what I'm gonna do, Like

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<v Speaker 2>I think any I think the actors, oh think like that,

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<v Speaker 2>like usually are not that good.

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<v Speaker 1>I would agree with you. I would agree I agree

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<v Speaker 1>with you. I think the thing I'm missing is the

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<v Speaker 1>divinity is the thing that I'm missing. The piece is

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<v Speaker 1>the thing that I'm missing. The her quote that is

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<v Speaker 1>a fantastic quote which I've heard before, but like the

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<v Speaker 1>divinity in it, the divine sat dissatisfaction is the thing

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<v Speaker 1>that I'm missing.

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<v Speaker 2>I am just sitting in the distisfaction. Divine the divine

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<v Speaker 2>dissatisfaction keeps us marching on or something like that. That's

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<v Speaker 2>exceptional fire. It's the thing that keeps like pushing you

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<v Speaker 2>forward to.

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<v Speaker 1>Get which is like, oh, I want to get better,

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<v Speaker 1>as opposed to like, oh my god, I'm horrible in this.

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<v Speaker 1>I hate myself, you know, which is like, yeah that is,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's actually not true. I don't hate myself in it.

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<v Speaker 1>I just hate my face. No, I'm just kidding. I

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<v Speaker 1>ah more better. Anyway, what are we talking about this week?

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<v Speaker 2>We are talking about on our very first episode back

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<v Speaker 2>making decisions.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, yeah, this is a hard one for me sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>other times I'm a master at it. So I can't

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<v Speaker 1>wait to get into this because, like, I really feel

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<v Speaker 1>like this is a this is something that we get

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<v Speaker 1>challenged by all the time. Yeah, what's your experience with

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<v Speaker 1>making decisions? I can be really good at it if

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<v Speaker 1>like so both of us have directed, or you've directed

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<v Speaker 1>a lot more than me. But I found that one

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<v Speaker 1>of the things that was easiest for me directing television

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<v Speaker 1>was making choices. I was just like, oh, this that

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<v Speaker 1>the other You know, people will come up to you

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<v Speaker 1>all day and ask you, like, what do you think

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<v Speaker 1>about this? What is this choice?

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<v Speaker 2>You know, all day you have to make decisions.

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<v Speaker 1>Whether it was like all day you know, do you

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<v Speaker 1>want the window brighter? Do you want the do what

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<v Speaker 1>do you want her to wear? What do you want

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<v Speaker 1>to like?

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<v Speaker 2>Do you like the darker blue shirt or the lighter

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<v Speaker 2>blue shirt?

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<v Speaker 1>For this, I was like bing bang boom, boom, boom boom,

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<v Speaker 1>Like those choices were so easy for me. Decorating my house,

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<v Speaker 1>I was like this, this, this, this, like I knew

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<v Speaker 1>things were when things were wrong immediately like I was like, no,

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<v Speaker 1>that's not right. I mean we need to change that

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<v Speaker 1>or whatever. I'm really good at it if I'm passionate

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<v Speaker 1>about the thing that's happening, but like I get totally frozen.

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<v Speaker 1>Like yesterday we had the whole day free in New

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<v Speaker 1>York until we had to take the peloton class at five.

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<v Speaker 1>Brad was like, what do you want to do? And

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<v Speaker 1>I was frozen, locked into my phone like looking for

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<v Speaker 1>like what do I want to do? I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>I just want it for an hour in New York

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<v Speaker 1>City or city. What about you?

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<v Speaker 2>I think I'm very similar. Yeah, I was going to

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<v Speaker 2>say that I feel like I operate in the two

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<v Speaker 2>extremes when it comes to decisions of either being incredibly

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<v Speaker 2>decisive or completely frozen, like there's no in between. I

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<v Speaker 2>wish I could find more in between, but I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know how to live in the in between. I'm either

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<v Speaker 2>so annoyingly indecisive or I'm just like no, we should

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<v Speaker 2>do this, Like yeah, definitely, that same experience with directing,

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<v Speaker 2>like all day, answering all those questions was like so easy, easy,

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<v Speaker 2>and and even just like in work or yeah, I

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<v Speaker 2>just I'm I'm so decisive in the moment, but when

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<v Speaker 2>it comes to like what should we have for dinner tonight,

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<v Speaker 2>I will become catatonic, Like I will catatonic.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, yes, I will.

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<v Speaker 2>Just this blank stare takes over my face and I

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<v Speaker 2>just stare at my husband or my refrigerator, and I go, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't open the open and stair the open and

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<v Speaker 1>stair is I have so much trouble like making lunch

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<v Speaker 1>for myself because I'll just open the fridge and stare

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<v Speaker 1>and be like, well, there's a package of turkey and

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<v Speaker 1>there's a package of cheese, and I can make a

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<v Speaker 1>turkey cheese roll up, but I have to open both

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<v Speaker 1>packages and I slowly close the refrigerator and grab and

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<v Speaker 1>grab like a bar something that I don't have to

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<v Speaker 1>do more than two steps. Have such a hard time.

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<v Speaker 1>Why why is it so hard? I just the hardest

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<v Speaker 1>decision you've ever had to make, Like what's the hardest

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<v Speaker 1>thing that you've ever had, Like that you had to

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<v Speaker 1>like really marinate on for a long time or it

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<v Speaker 1>was a quick one, but it was just so hard

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<v Speaker 1>to make.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe moving to la oh snap, Yeah. I feel like

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<v Speaker 2>David was very like this is what we got like

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<v Speaker 2>it was very clear and decisive for him, and I

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<v Speaker 2>was like, I need a minute, because I was turning

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<v Speaker 2>thirty and starting over in a whole new place felt

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<v Speaker 2>overwhelmingly terrifying. Yeah, even though I'd spent a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>time in LA And I was like, you know, pilot

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<v Speaker 2>season still existed then, so I would fly out every

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<v Speaker 2>year a couple times a year.

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<v Speaker 1>Side note for the listeners at home, Oh yeah, Melissa,

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<v Speaker 1>will you explain to us what pilot season was.

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<v Speaker 2>Pilot season used to be this magical, stressful time of

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<v Speaker 2>year where all the television networks would put all the

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<v Speaker 2>potential new shows that they were going to they were

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<v Speaker 2>going to do the first episode of, and you would

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<v Speaker 2>and it would happen February through like March, and of

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<v Speaker 2>March early April, and you would just audition for a

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<v Speaker 2>fuck load of pilots and then maybe you would test

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<v Speaker 2>for one, and then maybe you would book one, and

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<v Speaker 2>then maybe that pilot would get picked up and become

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<v Speaker 2>an actual show. Those are like all the steps, cliff

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<v Speaker 2>notes of all the steps, but they would all happen

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<v Speaker 2>the same time of year to be ready for fall schedules.

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<v Speaker 2>When we used to have TV schedules back in the day.

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<v Speaker 2>Now we don't have that anymore, and now pilots happen

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<v Speaker 2>throughout the year, which I don't miss pilot season because

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<v Speaker 2>it was such a stressful time.

0:23:43.720 --> 0:23:47.119
<v Speaker 1>Every year did it. It was dated, it hated it.

0:23:47.160 --> 0:23:52.960
<v Speaker 2>And then especially as like a minority, most years were

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<v Speaker 2>like bad. There was one year where I had thirty auditions, incredible,

0:24:01.920 --> 0:24:05.080
<v Speaker 2>only one year. I think the average before that was

0:24:05.119 --> 0:24:06.600
<v Speaker 2>like eight to ten.

0:24:07.320 --> 0:24:10.119
<v Speaker 1>It's still incredible. My pilot season was like two if

0:24:10.160 --> 0:24:11.320
<v Speaker 1>I was lucky too.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but all the people I went to college with

0:24:15.320 --> 0:24:19.520
<v Speaker 2>were like that was their average, Like that was that

0:24:19.680 --> 0:24:22.199
<v Speaker 2>was what if you were a working actor. That was

0:24:22.280 --> 0:24:29.439
<v Speaker 2>what most non minority i'll put it actors experienced. And

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<v Speaker 2>then yeah, and I remember one year there. I had

0:24:32.680 --> 0:24:35.960
<v Speaker 2>a friend who would audition a lot of your pilot

0:24:35.960 --> 0:24:39.600
<v Speaker 2>season and there was one pilot season where you know,

0:24:39.760 --> 0:24:42.800
<v Speaker 2>diversity was in and I probably was the same year

0:24:42.840 --> 0:24:45.000
<v Speaker 2>that I had the thirty auditions and like there was

0:24:45.040 --> 0:24:47.679
<v Speaker 2>more opportunity and he was like, ah, I only have

0:24:47.840 --> 0:24:52.679
<v Speaker 2>like fifteen auditions this pilot season, and I was like,

0:24:54.119 --> 0:24:59.800
<v Speaker 2>that's still a lot. And sometimes equality feels like oppression.

0:25:00.359 --> 0:25:03.120
<v Speaker 1>You're so nice. I would have been like eat ship man,

0:25:03.359 --> 0:25:04.840
<v Speaker 1>that fucking I wanted to do.

0:25:04.880 --> 0:25:07.200
<v Speaker 2>But it was a very like sweet friend, but I did.

0:25:07.240 --> 0:25:12.000
<v Speaker 1>I gently you gently told you were like not on

0:25:12.040 --> 0:25:19.679
<v Speaker 1>some feces, just very not. So that's violot season, guys. Uh. Anyway,

0:25:19.720 --> 0:25:22.440
<v Speaker 1>that was a tangent, but I got big, just a decision,

0:25:22.800 --> 0:25:25.000
<v Speaker 1>move your whole life. All your friends were in New

0:25:25.080 --> 0:25:25.919
<v Speaker 1>York and still.

0:25:25.640 --> 0:25:31.280
<v Speaker 2>Are are like your close close buddies. Yeah, m hmmm,

0:25:31.880 --> 0:25:34.960
<v Speaker 2>I mean yeah, some of them actually live other places now.

0:25:35.040 --> 0:25:37.440
<v Speaker 2>But but at the time, yeah, it was like all

0:25:37.480 --> 0:25:40.040
<v Speaker 2>my people, my cousins, my family.

0:25:39.920 --> 0:25:42.120
<v Speaker 1>Your family, family's all eat both.

0:25:43.440 --> 0:25:48.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and so I it felt like a really daunting

0:25:48.400 --> 0:25:51.480
<v Speaker 2>decision that I just had to sit on for a minute.

0:25:51.520 --> 0:25:53.800
<v Speaker 2>And then I finally came around, you know. I mean,

0:25:54.000 --> 0:25:55.600
<v Speaker 2>David kept reminding me. He was like, we're going to

0:25:56.000 --> 0:25:57.520
<v Speaker 2>run out of money so fast.

0:25:58.359 --> 0:26:00.000
<v Speaker 1>Because La was at that time.

0:26:00.119 --> 0:26:03.560
<v Speaker 2>I'm still like LA caught up to New York the

0:26:03.600 --> 0:26:05.320
<v Speaker 2>first two years we were here, but at the time

0:26:05.359 --> 0:26:07.200
<v Speaker 2>it was still like cheaper, and I think in a

0:26:07.240 --> 0:26:10.840
<v Speaker 2>lot of ways like it is you can still. I mean,

0:26:10.840 --> 0:26:13.800
<v Speaker 2>it's so expensive now, but there there were a good

0:26:13.840 --> 0:26:15.879
<v Speaker 2>number of years where like if you were crafty, you

0:26:15.920 --> 0:26:19.080
<v Speaker 2>could live way cheaper. Like our rent was so much

0:26:19.160 --> 0:26:21.399
<v Speaker 2>cheaper when we moved here than we've ever been in

0:26:21.440 --> 0:26:23.600
<v Speaker 2>New York for a two bedroom apartment that we got

0:26:23.640 --> 0:26:27.560
<v Speaker 2>in Hollywood, like in a shape of Hollywood.

0:26:29.720 --> 0:26:33.080
<v Speaker 1>I mean that's like a bigger issue though, right, Like

0:26:33.920 --> 0:26:37.240
<v Speaker 1>economy wise, I think, sorry, I'm just picking some fluff

0:26:37.240 --> 0:26:41.560
<v Speaker 1>off my microphone, guys, as one does. Economy wise, I

0:26:41.560 --> 0:26:44.920
<v Speaker 1>think everything's gotten harder in the last seven years. Everyone's

0:26:44.960 --> 0:26:48.000
<v Speaker 1>money is having to stretch so much further. So like

0:26:48.119 --> 0:26:50.640
<v Speaker 1>it isn't just our city that's gotten more expensive. It's

0:26:50.680 --> 0:26:54.240
<v Speaker 1>like literally everywhere everyone and the cost of like living

0:26:54.240 --> 0:26:57.760
<v Speaker 1>has gone up while the median income has stayed exactly

0:26:57.760 --> 0:27:04.479
<v Speaker 1>the same. And that's on billionaires guys. A A. I

0:27:04.520 --> 0:27:08.040
<v Speaker 1>feel like the biggest decision that I ever had to make,

0:27:08.440 --> 0:27:11.280
<v Speaker 1>the biggest one that was like, oh my god, okay, okay, okay.

0:27:11.359 --> 0:27:15.280
<v Speaker 1>It was like probably both like around life and death,

0:27:15.480 --> 0:27:19.840
<v Speaker 1>was like am I gonna have a baby, and then

0:27:20.320 --> 0:27:24.280
<v Speaker 1>am I going to bring my dad? Like my dad's

0:27:24.400 --> 0:27:26.159
<v Speaker 1>my dad. When my dad was dying, it was like

0:27:26.280 --> 0:27:29.160
<v Speaker 1>am I gonna what do I do? And that did

0:27:29.200 --> 0:27:32.199
<v Speaker 1>feel like it wasn't like a hard decision. It was

0:27:32.240 --> 0:27:34.280
<v Speaker 1>just like Okay, we're doing this, but it felt it

0:27:34.320 --> 0:27:40.720
<v Speaker 1>felt like a big decision, you know, like Okay, he's

0:27:40.760 --> 0:27:43.920
<v Speaker 1>gonna I'm gonna bring him here, and then like whatever happened,

0:27:43.920 --> 0:27:45.960
<v Speaker 1>like he's gonna be with us, like he and my

0:27:45.960 --> 0:27:47.359
<v Speaker 1>mom are gonna be with us. And then it's like

0:27:47.400 --> 0:27:50.240
<v Speaker 1>whatever happens is gonna happen, Like if he lasts another

0:27:50.280 --> 0:27:52.159
<v Speaker 1>six months, if he lasts a year. He ended up

0:27:52.240 --> 0:27:55.280
<v Speaker 1>lasting a month, you know, but it was like he's

0:27:55.280 --> 0:27:59.680
<v Speaker 1>coming here, He's coming here, like, but it felt very

0:28:01.080 --> 0:28:04.040
<v Speaker 1>big because I knew it was gonna it was the

0:28:04.040 --> 0:28:05.960
<v Speaker 1>rest of my life. You know. It's like, no matter

0:28:05.960 --> 0:28:07.879
<v Speaker 1>what happens here from here on out, it's going to

0:28:07.920 --> 0:28:12.840
<v Speaker 1>be different because like whether or not he lasts, you know,

0:28:13.080 --> 0:28:15.520
<v Speaker 1>lives another six months, like it's going to affect all

0:28:15.520 --> 0:28:17.520
<v Speaker 1>of our lives on the day to day, you know,

0:28:17.600 --> 0:28:19.280
<v Speaker 1>And it did for the last month that he was alive.

0:28:19.280 --> 0:28:21.199
<v Speaker 1>It affected everything for the day to day. That was

0:28:21.520 --> 0:28:23.840
<v Speaker 1>That was like a hard one because I it wasn't

0:28:23.880 --> 0:28:28.120
<v Speaker 1>like a hard like choice, but it was hard. It

0:28:28.160 --> 0:28:30.840
<v Speaker 1>was like this is the choice, and it's hard, kind

0:28:30.840 --> 0:28:33.520
<v Speaker 1>of like having a baby. It was like it wasn't like,

0:28:33.600 --> 0:28:35.479
<v Speaker 1>oh am I gonna am I not? It was like

0:28:35.560 --> 0:28:37.880
<v Speaker 1>I want to and I know it's going to be hard.

0:28:38.280 --> 0:28:38.480
<v Speaker 1>You know.

0:28:40.920 --> 0:28:46.400
<v Speaker 2>Do you have like an approach to making those big decisions, like,

0:28:47.200 --> 0:28:47.760
<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

0:28:47.960 --> 0:28:50.040
<v Speaker 1>Do you journal about it? Do you make a list?

0:28:50.320 --> 0:28:53.040
<v Speaker 1>Do you talk? As we've discussed on this podcast.

0:28:53.120 --> 0:28:55.960
<v Speaker 2>I fucking hate you fucking hate journals. Yeah, I'm so

0:28:56.040 --> 0:28:58.120
<v Speaker 2>sorry that. I'm so sorry that I said the words.

0:28:58.240 --> 0:29:00.720
<v Speaker 1>It's okay. I write things down. I do make lists

0:29:00.720 --> 0:29:04.360
<v Speaker 1>sometimes I make lists. I think for those big things,

0:29:04.520 --> 0:29:07.400
<v Speaker 1>I try to just talk it out with my partner.

0:29:07.480 --> 0:29:11.920
<v Speaker 1>I talk it out with Brad a lot, but especially

0:29:11.960 --> 0:29:17.160
<v Speaker 1>if he's involved, you know, because yeah, I think with

0:29:17.200 --> 0:29:21.280
<v Speaker 1>those big things, I don't know that you're solitary necessarily

0:29:21.320 --> 0:29:23.640
<v Speaker 1>when you're making those kinds of those kinds of decisions

0:29:23.640 --> 0:29:24.560
<v Speaker 1>like moving.

0:29:24.880 --> 0:29:27.840
<v Speaker 2>Right, Like because that one didn't just affect you, it

0:29:27.920 --> 0:29:30.080
<v Speaker 2>affected multiple people.

0:29:30.200 --> 0:29:32.120
<v Speaker 1>Right, So like then you have to kind of take

0:29:32.200 --> 0:29:38.680
<v Speaker 1>into account everybody's, like how everybody's going to feel about

0:29:38.720 --> 0:29:45.720
<v Speaker 1>this thing. But like, I think group decisions are hard

0:29:46.160 --> 0:29:48.200
<v Speaker 1>like that, and it's not a group, it's more like

0:29:48.200 --> 0:29:50.960
<v Speaker 1>a partnership, right, Like although I guess with my dad.

0:29:51.000 --> 0:29:53.440
<v Speaker 1>It was a group decision. It was like me, my mom, my, sister, Anne,

0:29:53.480 --> 0:29:55.400
<v Speaker 1>Brad all kind of going like we're gonna have to

0:29:55.480 --> 0:29:58.320
<v Speaker 1>like band together to do this and like we don't

0:29:58.320 --> 0:30:01.000
<v Speaker 1>know what's going to happen. All hands on deck. Yeah right,

0:30:01.880 --> 0:30:06.400
<v Speaker 1>But like I'm really bad when I'm such a control freak,

0:30:06.520 --> 0:30:09.720
<v Speaker 1>like when it comes to like group group things, like

0:30:09.720 --> 0:30:12.080
<v Speaker 1>like when we take the whole girl, like when we

0:30:12.120 --> 0:30:14.240
<v Speaker 1>go on I mean like when you're talking about like

0:30:14.280 --> 0:30:16.840
<v Speaker 1>we went with multiple families to Palm Desert. I was like,

0:30:16.920 --> 0:30:21.440
<v Speaker 1>this sounds like my naightmare. I mean, I I cannot

0:30:22.080 --> 0:30:24.960
<v Speaker 1>I have. I'm like, I mean, you've been with me

0:30:25.040 --> 0:30:26.760
<v Speaker 1>to Disneyland, and I'm like, no one leaves a group.

0:30:27.040 --> 0:30:28.960
<v Speaker 1>The group doesn't separate, you know what I mean? Like

0:30:29.040 --> 0:30:32.479
<v Speaker 1>I get really like the group doesn't separate. We say together,

0:30:32.720 --> 0:30:34.800
<v Speaker 1>we're going to the bathroom, We're all going together. Okay.

0:30:35.360 --> 0:30:37.160
<v Speaker 1>I might have a hard time. This is when we're

0:30:37.200 --> 0:30:38.719
<v Speaker 1>eating and this is where we're eating.

0:30:38.480 --> 0:30:42.360
<v Speaker 2>I have a hard time. But here's the thing. I

0:30:42.360 --> 0:30:46.320
<v Speaker 2>think that's okay. So I can be that person if

0:30:46.360 --> 0:30:48.920
<v Speaker 2>I see that no one else is taking that role,

0:30:49.240 --> 0:30:52.720
<v Speaker 2>I'm I can I can plan, I can buy default

0:30:52.880 --> 0:30:56.920
<v Speaker 2>by default, by default. This trip we went on to Lakinta.

0:30:57.120 --> 0:31:03.280
<v Speaker 2>It was for uh four families. It's my little like

0:31:03.360 --> 0:31:06.080
<v Speaker 2>mom group. We all met in prenatal yoga. We did

0:31:06.080 --> 0:31:09.840
<v Speaker 2>any class together and we've just like they've been the

0:31:09.920 --> 0:31:13.000
<v Speaker 2>group of women that have helped me like navigate especially

0:31:13.080 --> 0:31:16.800
<v Speaker 2>the early years of motherhood, which shout out to them

0:31:17.120 --> 0:31:20.560
<v Speaker 2>every I hope every mother has that in their life

0:31:20.560 --> 0:31:22.320
<v Speaker 2>because there's been so many times where it's like my

0:31:22.440 --> 0:31:24.400
<v Speaker 2>kid is doing this and it's fucking annoying and then

0:31:24.440 --> 0:31:28.240
<v Speaker 2>they're like yup, and you're like, oh, okay, it's normal

0:31:28.400 --> 0:31:31.720
<v Speaker 2>and anyway. But one of the moms in the group

0:31:31.880 --> 0:31:36.840
<v Speaker 2>is like a super type a planner. She find she

0:31:36.960 --> 0:31:40.480
<v Speaker 2>found the deal for the hotel, She booked all our

0:31:40.560 --> 0:31:44.200
<v Speaker 2>rooms and sent the vouchers to us. She made all

0:31:44.200 --> 0:31:49.560
<v Speaker 2>their dinner reservations like she would like in our Oh fucking.

0:31:49.560 --> 0:31:53.880
<v Speaker 1>Love her, yeah, I love her yeah.

0:31:53.920 --> 0:31:56.680
<v Speaker 2>And she'll be like you know, she'll go to the

0:31:56.680 --> 0:31:59.720
<v Speaker 2>group for little decisions. But she's so good too because

0:31:59.760 --> 0:32:02.400
<v Speaker 2>like restaurants. We the last time we went, because we

0:32:02.400 --> 0:32:06.120
<v Speaker 2>went to this place two years ago for Labor Day weekend,

0:32:06.600 --> 0:32:08.640
<v Speaker 2>we had dinner one night at the steakhouse and it

0:32:08.640 --> 0:32:10.680
<v Speaker 2>was terrible because we all had toddlers and it's like

0:32:10.800 --> 0:32:14.400
<v Speaker 2>a nice steakhouse and they it just wasn't family friendly

0:32:14.480 --> 0:32:17.280
<v Speaker 2>and everybody was stressed out and like shoving food down

0:32:17.360 --> 0:32:18.920
<v Speaker 2>their mouth and like trying to get the fuck out

0:32:18.920 --> 0:32:21.960
<v Speaker 2>of there. Yeah, and so she was like, we don't

0:32:22.000 --> 0:32:23.680
<v Speaker 2>want to do the steakhouse again, right, and we were

0:32:23.720 --> 0:32:26.240
<v Speaker 2>like fuck no. And then she was like, okay, so

0:32:26.280 --> 0:32:28.520
<v Speaker 2>we love the Mexican place, and like there's this other place.

0:32:28.600 --> 0:32:30.560
<v Speaker 2>You want to do Mexican two nights and we were

0:32:30.560 --> 0:32:32.560
<v Speaker 2>like no, yeah, let's do Mexican. Let's do the other place,

0:32:32.600 --> 0:32:34.320
<v Speaker 2>like let's try it. And it was great. It was

0:32:34.320 --> 0:32:37.280
<v Speaker 2>like a bistro kind of burgers and bar food kind of.

0:32:37.240 --> 0:32:39.000
<v Speaker 1>It was good.

0:32:39.480 --> 0:32:42.080
<v Speaker 2>Perfect, And so she was like done and she was

0:32:42.120 --> 0:32:44.880
<v Speaker 2>like five thirty good because we hit there's some very

0:32:44.920 --> 0:32:47.640
<v Speaker 2>littles and you know, and we were like, yeah, great

0:32:47.680 --> 0:32:50.320
<v Speaker 2>early dinner, love it, and she's just like and then

0:32:50.640 --> 0:32:52.920
<v Speaker 2>she was like, okay, this is what we're bringing, like

0:32:53.200 --> 0:32:55.520
<v Speaker 2>here's some ideas, like if you guys want to bring

0:32:55.560 --> 0:32:56.360
<v Speaker 2>some floaties, like.

0:32:56.360 --> 0:32:58.720
<v Speaker 1>She just handled it.

0:32:59.200 --> 0:33:02.600
<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, amazing. And we all just showed up

0:33:02.640 --> 0:33:05.280
<v Speaker 2>and we did our parts and like brought you know,

0:33:05.400 --> 0:33:08.240
<v Speaker 2>extra snacks and extra floaties for the kids and games

0:33:08.320 --> 0:33:11.040
<v Speaker 2>and like, you know, we all like chipped in. We

0:33:11.080 --> 0:33:12.840
<v Speaker 2>also weren't like fucking assholes.

0:33:13.040 --> 0:33:14.240
<v Speaker 1>That's the other thing. If you're in a.

0:33:14.200 --> 0:33:17.520
<v Speaker 2>Group, you also like have to contribute, not just like

0:33:17.720 --> 0:33:19.880
<v Speaker 2>let the person do every you know what I mean.

0:33:19.960 --> 0:33:21.719
<v Speaker 2>I was like, I got board games, I got this,

0:33:21.840 --> 0:33:23.040
<v Speaker 2>I got you know, I'm gonna bring this.

0:33:23.120 --> 0:33:27.239
<v Speaker 1>That's the thing. She she she shaped it so that

0:33:27.280 --> 0:33:30.760
<v Speaker 1>you guys could make some choices like oh, I'll bring

0:33:30.800 --> 0:33:33.800
<v Speaker 1>this or I'll bring this. Yeah, I'm gonna I want

0:33:33.800 --> 0:33:36.280
<v Speaker 1>to make a choice about where we're gonna eat. But

0:33:36.360 --> 0:33:38.160
<v Speaker 1>she did. She wasn't like where do you guys want

0:33:38.200 --> 0:33:40.440
<v Speaker 1>to eat? She was like Mexican Okay, you know what

0:33:40.480 --> 0:33:43.320
<v Speaker 1>I mean. Like she she had a handle on it,

0:33:43.360 --> 0:33:45.600
<v Speaker 1>but still had flexibility, so it didn't feel like, oh

0:33:45.600 --> 0:33:51.400
<v Speaker 1>my god, we're doing everything, yes she wants to do.

0:33:57.800 --> 0:34:01.680
<v Speaker 1>Would you rather like your life? I know the answer

0:34:01.680 --> 0:34:05.240
<v Speaker 1>for myself. Would you rather have more choices or less

0:34:05.320 --> 0:34:07.360
<v Speaker 1>choices in your life? Oh? My god, less choices.

0:34:07.640 --> 0:34:10.000
<v Speaker 2>Nothing stresses me out more than when I go to

0:34:10.040 --> 0:34:12.919
<v Speaker 2>a fucking restaurant and the menu is more than.

0:34:12.800 --> 0:34:14.680
<v Speaker 1>A page long. Oh my god.

0:34:15.400 --> 0:34:18.360
<v Speaker 2>I if I see a book, I need to decide

0:34:18.360 --> 0:34:19.920
<v Speaker 2>what I'm going to eat before I walk into a

0:34:20.000 --> 0:34:23.880
<v Speaker 2>cheesecake factory because that fucking book stresses me out so much.

0:34:24.000 --> 0:34:25.359
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's real. That's real.

0:34:26.440 --> 0:34:29.000
<v Speaker 2>If I walk into a restaurant and there's like four

0:34:29.080 --> 0:34:32.719
<v Speaker 2>or five entree choices, I am so happy. Yeah, I

0:34:32.960 --> 0:34:38.240
<v Speaker 2>like this place is amazing. I love it. Yes, I cannot.

0:34:38.440 --> 0:34:41.640
<v Speaker 2>I need less choices. Give me two or three options.

0:34:42.080 --> 0:34:45.640
<v Speaker 2>I'm good to go. If you give me ten, I'm

0:34:45.680 --> 0:34:47.600
<v Speaker 2>that catatonic look on my face is gonna come and

0:34:47.600 --> 0:34:49.480
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna be like I don't know what tox. That's

0:34:49.480 --> 0:34:50.680
<v Speaker 2>how New York City feels to me.

0:34:50.719 --> 0:34:53.560
<v Speaker 1>It's like I don't know where I'm going, Like there's

0:34:53.680 --> 0:34:56.920
<v Speaker 1>so many funny vintage choices. There's so many, Like I

0:34:56.960 --> 0:34:58.640
<v Speaker 1>was like, I want to go to a store, I

0:34:58.680 --> 0:35:00.560
<v Speaker 1>want to go to I want to go And then

0:35:00.600 --> 0:35:02.880
<v Speaker 1>it was like ooh, like I felt like I was

0:35:02.920 --> 0:35:07.000
<v Speaker 1>gonna have an aneurysm. There's so many choices about where

0:35:07.400 --> 0:35:11.160
<v Speaker 1>to look at things, and like, yeah, and also me,

0:35:11.880 --> 0:35:14.359
<v Speaker 1>I love I love choices too. In that like I

0:35:14.480 --> 0:35:17.520
<v Speaker 1>was thinking about, like I was thinking about for you.

0:35:17.520 --> 0:35:23.600
<v Speaker 1>You know, you and I share a stylist and Ariel

0:35:23.640 --> 0:35:25.640
<v Speaker 1>and I always joke, but like you'll come in and

0:35:25.680 --> 0:35:28.600
<v Speaker 1>try on like three things and like if they fit great,

0:35:28.719 --> 0:35:31.000
<v Speaker 1>You're like, yes, done, We're done. Like we're done.

0:35:31.160 --> 0:35:33.840
<v Speaker 2>Like she literally asked me to drive try on more.

0:35:33.800 --> 0:35:36.160
<v Speaker 1>Me, try on a couple more things. Meanwhile, She'll have

0:35:36.200 --> 0:35:37.480
<v Speaker 1>like a rack of clothes for me, and I'm like,

0:35:37.560 --> 0:35:40.919
<v Speaker 1>is this it there? What about that? Can I try

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<v Speaker 1>that on? Is that someone else's Did they say no

0:35:42.800 --> 0:35:45.120
<v Speaker 1>to it? Can I try it on? Like I love

0:35:45.920 --> 0:35:48.600
<v Speaker 1>choosing things to wear, like I love it. Meanwhile, I'm

0:35:48.600 --> 0:35:49.880
<v Speaker 1>always in the same thing. I'm always in like a

0:35:50.000 --> 0:35:52.680
<v Speaker 1>vintage T shirt, Levi's jeans. But like, I love having

0:35:52.680 --> 0:35:55.640
<v Speaker 1>the choices, right, Like my closet is full of Like

0:35:56.880 --> 0:35:59.160
<v Speaker 1>so if you want to do and.

0:35:59.239 --> 0:36:02.200
<v Speaker 2>You see a small rack, you're immediately stressed out.

0:36:02.800 --> 0:36:05.400
<v Speaker 1>If I see a small rack, I'm not stressed. I'm

0:36:05.480 --> 0:36:09.480
<v Speaker 1>just like, oh okay, Oh it's very curated today. I

0:36:09.560 --> 0:36:16.520
<v Speaker 1>wonder what is here? You know, I prefer to see

0:36:16.640 --> 0:36:19.719
<v Speaker 1>I prefer to see a rack that looks hefty so

0:36:19.800 --> 0:36:21.440
<v Speaker 1>that I'm like, oh, there's gonna be a lot of

0:36:21.520 --> 0:36:24.719
<v Speaker 1>choices here. And that's also because like I know that

0:36:25.000 --> 0:36:28.240
<v Speaker 1>clothes are hard. Clothes are I mean, this is something

0:36:28.239 --> 0:36:30.680
<v Speaker 1>that we can talk about bodies on a future episode.

0:36:30.680 --> 0:36:34.040
<v Speaker 1>But like clothes are hard because they're not. They're all

0:36:34.120 --> 0:36:37.240
<v Speaker 1>made on different fit models. They all fit us differently.

0:36:37.280 --> 0:36:40.040
<v Speaker 1>All of our bodies are different, and like sometimes something

0:36:40.080 --> 0:36:42.839
<v Speaker 1>will fit, you know, on the top for me, but

0:36:42.880 --> 0:36:46.760
<v Speaker 1>then like the butt, just like my booty is Listen,

0:36:46.920 --> 0:36:50.280
<v Speaker 1>I've been doing my my pilates, I've been doing my peloton,

0:36:50.320 --> 0:36:54.160
<v Speaker 1>and my booty is booty ing right now, you know. Okay, Okay,

0:36:54.280 --> 0:36:57.880
<v Speaker 1>I mean listen, I'm really trying to battle the side.

0:36:57.920 --> 0:37:01.440
<v Speaker 1>Note my mom, My mom doesn't listen to this, so

0:37:01.480 --> 0:37:04.200
<v Speaker 1>it's okay. But like my mom came over like Labor

0:37:04.280 --> 0:37:06.160
<v Speaker 1>Day weekend, which we were all in the pool and stuff,

0:37:06.200 --> 0:37:08.680
<v Speaker 1>and my mom's so cute in her little leopard bathing suit.

0:37:08.719 --> 0:37:09.840
<v Speaker 2>But she's got like a slat.

0:37:10.080 --> 0:37:14.640
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, like I call her SpongeBob square butt, and

0:37:14.719 --> 0:37:18.719
<v Speaker 1>like I've inherited the SpongeBob square butt. And sometimes I

0:37:18.719 --> 0:37:21.520
<v Speaker 1>see my own butt and like in a picture or something,

0:37:21.520 --> 0:37:23.400
<v Speaker 1>and I'm like that's SpongeBob score butt. So I have

0:37:23.440 --> 0:37:27.040
<v Speaker 1>to really battle the SpongeBob scare butt. You know exactly

0:37:27.080 --> 0:37:29.759
<v Speaker 1>what I'm talking about. It looks like fucking square and

0:37:30.320 --> 0:37:35.359
<v Speaker 1>yeah thistical genetically, sometimes my booty be looking like a square.

0:37:35.600 --> 0:37:37.920
<v Speaker 1>Shout out to wrang those jeans that never make my

0:37:37.960 --> 0:37:42.040
<v Speaker 1>booty look like a square. Thank you wranglers. Yes. How

0:37:42.040 --> 0:37:45.239
<v Speaker 1>do you teach your boys to make choices? Do you

0:37:45.280 --> 0:37:50.200
<v Speaker 1>give them choices? Is this something that you like with them?

0:37:52.360 --> 0:37:52.759
<v Speaker 1>I do.

0:37:52.880 --> 0:37:55.960
<v Speaker 2>I have two pretty wilful boys. One is much more

0:37:55.960 --> 0:37:59.600
<v Speaker 2>willful than the other and needs choices. Like if you

0:37:59.680 --> 0:38:02.680
<v Speaker 2>only give him one choice, he's like what else is available?

0:38:02.719 --> 0:38:08.040
<v Speaker 2>It's like living total little lawyer. So I do as

0:38:08.080 --> 0:38:11.239
<v Speaker 2>often as I can. But then also I see the

0:38:11.239 --> 0:38:16.440
<v Speaker 2>other side of it, like sometimes sometimes David will say

0:38:16.480 --> 0:38:18.160
<v Speaker 2>like what do you want to eat to lunch to

0:38:18.160 --> 0:38:20.880
<v Speaker 2>the children, and I'm like, nope, nope, no, I'm like,

0:38:21.440 --> 0:38:23.359
<v Speaker 2>that's like that's a terrible question. They're going to tell

0:38:23.400 --> 0:38:25.799
<v Speaker 2>you they're they're going to go into paralysis, or they're

0:38:25.800 --> 0:38:29.200
<v Speaker 2>going to ask for a pizza or candy or like

0:38:29.360 --> 0:38:31.480
<v Speaker 2>you know. I was like, give them two choices, or

0:38:31.760 --> 0:38:34.839
<v Speaker 2>just make something and give it to them. Yeah, so

0:38:34.920 --> 0:38:36.880
<v Speaker 2>I feel like there's a time and a place I

0:38:36.920 --> 0:38:39.839
<v Speaker 2>do try to give like two or three decisions. Now

0:38:39.880 --> 0:38:41.759
<v Speaker 2>having a nine year old, it's really interesting because we're

0:38:41.760 --> 0:38:45.160
<v Speaker 2>getting into like tween years. Like literally, I had this

0:38:45.239 --> 0:38:46.879
<v Speaker 2>realization the other day where I was like, oh my god,

0:38:46.880 --> 0:38:49.279
<v Speaker 2>I think I have a tween and then somebody like

0:38:49.320 --> 0:38:51.279
<v Speaker 2>confirmed it for me. They were like, yeah, that like

0:38:51.320 --> 0:38:54.359
<v Speaker 2>that's that's nine to twelve. Those are the tween years.

0:38:54.400 --> 0:38:59.080
<v Speaker 1>And I was like, ugh, but my god, I was

0:38:59.120 --> 0:39:02.920
<v Speaker 1>still playing with when I was nine, I know, but

0:39:03.000 --> 0:39:08.880
<v Speaker 1>it is I was like playing with dolls bro. Yeah,

0:39:09.200 --> 0:39:14.320
<v Speaker 1>I mean I was like Samantha from the American Girls,

0:39:14.520 --> 0:39:17.719
<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean, Like I was like reading Girls. Yeah,

0:39:17.760 --> 0:39:19.040
<v Speaker 1>Like no, you're still a kid.

0:39:19.120 --> 0:39:22.240
<v Speaker 2>But it like biologically, it's when like the first little

0:39:22.440 --> 0:39:25.520
<v Speaker 2>bits of hormones like start coming in and I've seen

0:39:25.560 --> 0:39:30.840
<v Speaker 2>it in some moodswings like yeah, okay. So he oh

0:39:30.880 --> 0:39:32.760
<v Speaker 2>so he had to pick an elective for the first

0:39:32.760 --> 0:39:37.480
<v Speaker 2>time in school and there was four or five choices okay,

0:39:38.120 --> 0:39:41.959
<v Speaker 2>and it was the first time where uh we really

0:39:41.960 --> 0:39:44.440
<v Speaker 2>had to like talk it out. I was like, oh, shoot,

0:39:44.440 --> 0:39:47.960
<v Speaker 2>he has to like decide something kind of big and

0:39:48.920 --> 0:39:51.640
<v Speaker 2>we have to like weigh the pros and cons, and

0:39:51.719 --> 0:39:53.840
<v Speaker 2>like what was hard was he didn't really want to

0:39:53.840 --> 0:39:57.440
<v Speaker 2>do any of them because we thought we thought debate

0:39:57.560 --> 0:39:59.400
<v Speaker 2>was going to be one of the choices and it wasn't.

0:39:59.560 --> 0:40:02.040
<v Speaker 2>And so oh he was because when I told him that,

0:40:02.080 --> 0:40:03.400
<v Speaker 2>he was like, what's debate? And I was like, you

0:40:03.520 --> 0:40:05.520
<v Speaker 2>just argue with people to like prove your right.

0:40:05.560 --> 0:40:12.000
<v Speaker 1>Oh my god. He was like he was like wow, wow, wow, wow,

0:40:12.040 --> 0:40:18.480
<v Speaker 1>wow wow, my life's calling. Oh god, that's so funny. Goddamn,

0:40:18.560 --> 0:40:19.320
<v Speaker 1>that's funny.

0:40:19.600 --> 0:40:22.200
<v Speaker 2>So he had a pick, like, you know, two of

0:40:22.239 --> 0:40:25.520
<v Speaker 2>them were music based, and then there's like drama and dance.

0:40:25.600 --> 0:40:29.640
<v Speaker 2>He was like, definitely not dance. Definitely not drama. So

0:40:29.680 --> 0:40:32.000
<v Speaker 2>he's like, I know, I thought maybe there would be

0:40:32.560 --> 0:40:37.400
<v Speaker 2>no he was like hard pass on the drama ross

0:40:38.719 --> 0:40:40.680
<v Speaker 2>well from him, he was like getting up in front

0:40:40.680 --> 0:40:44.839
<v Speaker 2>of people and like acting. God, no, okay, okay, yeah.

0:40:44.880 --> 0:40:46.640
<v Speaker 2>I was like, well, what if part of drama is

0:40:46.680 --> 0:40:49.359
<v Speaker 2>like making up the things for people to do. He's like,

0:40:49.400 --> 0:40:57.400
<v Speaker 2>it's not. I already asked that and I was like okay, ah,

0:40:57.440 --> 0:41:00.400
<v Speaker 2>but yeah, so yeah, it's just beginning. And I and

0:41:00.480 --> 0:41:02.799
<v Speaker 2>I it wasn't something I put a lot of thought into,

0:41:02.880 --> 0:41:04.880
<v Speaker 2>but I guess I approached it the way I like

0:41:04.960 --> 0:41:06.920
<v Speaker 2>you were saying, like, I think I make a lot

0:41:06.960 --> 0:41:09.239
<v Speaker 2>of decisions by like talking it out, Like I need

0:41:09.239 --> 0:41:12.080
<v Speaker 2>to talk it out, like whether it's with David or

0:41:12.239 --> 0:41:14.680
<v Speaker 2>friend or you know, it's like it depends on what

0:41:14.800 --> 0:41:17.120
<v Speaker 2>the decision is that I find, Like I'll go to

0:41:17.160 --> 0:41:21.160
<v Speaker 2>a person that I feel like maybe an expert or

0:41:21.640 --> 0:41:24.720
<v Speaker 2>is going to be smarter than me in that world.

0:41:25.480 --> 0:41:26.240
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, for sure.

0:41:27.040 --> 0:41:29.040
<v Speaker 2>You know, like I've got I go to you sometimes

0:41:29.040 --> 0:41:31.320
<v Speaker 2>for work decisions, or I've gone I've gone to Andy

0:41:31.400 --> 0:41:35.920
<v Speaker 2>sometimes for work decisions, like and uh, and I just

0:41:35.960 --> 0:41:39.000
<v Speaker 2>have to talk it out and then I'm usually talking

0:41:39.040 --> 0:41:40.840
<v Speaker 2>it out. By the end of talking it out and

0:41:40.880 --> 0:41:45.360
<v Speaker 2>you're like weighing pros and cons, it just becomes clearer

0:41:45.400 --> 0:41:46.279
<v Speaker 2>what you want to do.

0:41:46.920 --> 0:41:49.000
<v Speaker 1>So what you're talking about right now, I think is

0:41:49.040 --> 0:41:54.200
<v Speaker 1>so fascinating because what you're talking about is is accessing

0:41:54.360 --> 0:41:58.880
<v Speaker 1>and practicing your critical thinking skills, your actual like brain

0:41:59.040 --> 0:42:02.839
<v Speaker 1>going like what do I want when I critically look

0:42:02.880 --> 0:42:05.799
<v Speaker 1>at this decision that I'm gonna make, I want to

0:42:05.880 --> 0:42:07.920
<v Speaker 1>talk about it. It's like, and then I want to

0:42:08.600 --> 0:42:10.160
<v Speaker 1>that thing that I like to say, which is like

0:42:10.320 --> 0:42:12.600
<v Speaker 1>I want to not just play the trailer, I want

0:42:12.600 --> 0:42:14.759
<v Speaker 1>to watch the whole movie, Like what happens at the

0:42:14.880 --> 0:42:18.200
<v Speaker 1>end of this if I choose this right? Yeah, And

0:42:18.400 --> 0:42:23.799
<v Speaker 1>like this is where I think letting chat GBT and

0:42:23.960 --> 0:42:25.759
<v Speaker 1>like I just went like this with my hands. But

0:42:25.880 --> 0:42:29.080
<v Speaker 1>like when you're asking, when you're asking your phone like

0:42:29.880 --> 0:42:31.799
<v Speaker 1>to make these choices for you, that's when it gets

0:42:31.800 --> 0:42:35.960
<v Speaker 1>really sticky, because like critical thinking is a practice. It

0:42:36.040 --> 0:42:39.400
<v Speaker 1>is a it's yeah, is a practice, and it's like

0:42:39.480 --> 0:42:41.239
<v Speaker 1>it is like working out. It's like working out these

0:42:41.239 --> 0:42:44.600
<v Speaker 1>parts of your brain that are looking at something and

0:42:44.760 --> 0:42:48.520
<v Speaker 1>act assessing whether or not you agree or disagree and

0:42:49.200 --> 0:42:52.359
<v Speaker 1>what you like and what you think about it, as

0:42:52.360 --> 0:42:54.479
<v Speaker 1>opposed to just giving it over to something like AI,

0:42:54.600 --> 0:42:57.120
<v Speaker 1>which is like make this choice for me an AI

0:42:57.280 --> 0:42:59.520
<v Speaker 1>is listen. AI is great for a lot of things.

0:43:00.239 --> 0:43:03.240
<v Speaker 1>Chatgybts really can be really helpful, but it does always

0:43:03.280 --> 0:43:05.080
<v Speaker 1>come with a disclaimer, which is like most of this

0:43:05.120 --> 0:43:11.280
<v Speaker 1>stuff is wrong, Like you have to follow up more better,

0:43:15.440 --> 0:43:20.680
<v Speaker 1>more better. So like something that isis our producer looked

0:43:20.719 --> 0:43:24.799
<v Speaker 1>up for us in our nerve time is dependence and

0:43:24.840 --> 0:43:27.439
<v Speaker 1>reliability over reliance on AI could lead to a loss

0:43:27.440 --> 0:43:31.640
<v Speaker 1>of critical thinking skills and judgment among individuals. The inability

0:43:31.680 --> 0:43:35.160
<v Speaker 1>to discern between AI generated and human generated insights can

0:43:35.200 --> 0:43:39.480
<v Speaker 1>be detrimental in situations requiring independent decision making, which is

0:43:39.520 --> 0:43:43.839
<v Speaker 1>like really scary and not to get too dark about it,

0:43:44.760 --> 0:43:47.480
<v Speaker 1>because this podcast is called more Better, but there there

0:43:47.520 --> 0:43:50.759
<v Speaker 1>are a lot of teenagers that are relying on chat,

0:43:50.760 --> 0:43:53.279
<v Speaker 1>GYBT and different forms of AI to help them make

0:43:53.320 --> 0:43:59.319
<v Speaker 1>decisions because they're really like confused or unable to sort

0:43:59.320 --> 0:44:02.480
<v Speaker 1>of move forward, right, And that's where I think parental

0:44:03.160 --> 0:44:06.800
<v Speaker 1>guidance or like mentor guidance can really come in handy

0:44:06.880 --> 0:44:10.960
<v Speaker 1>because talking things out with a kid, talking things out

0:44:10.960 --> 0:44:15.160
<v Speaker 1>with friends, and being able to be vulnerable and say

0:44:15.200 --> 0:44:17.480
<v Speaker 1>like I don't know what the right decision is. I

0:44:17.560 --> 0:44:21.080
<v Speaker 1>actually don't know. Can you help me with a real

0:44:21.160 --> 0:44:28.200
<v Speaker 1>person versus a computer? You know, an artificial intelligence is

0:44:28.200 --> 0:44:31.920
<v Speaker 1>is is not going to come at you with like

0:44:32.360 --> 0:44:37.399
<v Speaker 1>maybe the empathy or sympathy or or human experiences that

0:44:39.880 --> 0:44:43.680
<v Speaker 1>haven't been distilled down into like you know, BuzzFeed articles

0:44:43.719 --> 0:44:46.880
<v Speaker 1>that AI is grabbing outs information from, right, Like, I

0:44:46.920 --> 0:44:51.160
<v Speaker 1>think that that's a big that's big that you're helping

0:44:51.280 --> 0:44:55.319
<v Speaker 1>your kid through these like first steps of like what

0:44:55.440 --> 0:44:57.799
<v Speaker 1>choices do I want to make that reflect who I

0:44:58.040 --> 0:45:00.480
<v Speaker 1>want to be? Slash am what I do don't like,

0:45:00.560 --> 0:45:02.000
<v Speaker 1>which is like I don't want to get them in

0:45:02.040 --> 0:45:04.480
<v Speaker 1>running people right now? You know, like that might change?

0:45:04.800 --> 0:45:09.560
<v Speaker 1>What did he end up deciding bad banned? Yeah he

0:45:09.680 --> 0:45:12.600
<v Speaker 1>knew it, so he knew it. Has he watched School

0:45:12.640 --> 0:45:15.560
<v Speaker 1>of Rock by the way, Oh no, that's a good

0:45:15.680 --> 0:45:18.920
<v Speaker 1>Oh good, it's so funny, dude, it's such a great movie. Oh,

0:45:18.960 --> 0:45:20.760
<v Speaker 1>such a great movie. Oh my god.

0:45:21.040 --> 0:45:24.200
<v Speaker 2>We sort of went with, you know, like so much

0:45:24.200 --> 0:45:26.600
<v Speaker 2>back and forth, and I finally just went just ask

0:45:26.640 --> 0:45:29.560
<v Speaker 2>your friends what they're doing, and be with your friends again,

0:45:29.840 --> 0:45:33.080
<v Speaker 2>real the people they really like, spend like more time

0:45:33.120 --> 0:45:36.120
<v Speaker 2>with during the day, Spend more time with those with friends, go,

0:45:36.160 --> 0:45:39.120
<v Speaker 2>spend more time with them and pick the same elective. Yeah, yes,

0:45:39.320 --> 0:45:41.000
<v Speaker 2>I was like, and then you know you're gonna have

0:45:41.000 --> 0:45:42.640
<v Speaker 2>a good time regardless of what it is.

0:45:42.719 --> 0:45:46.000
<v Speaker 1>Yes, you know. Yeah that also brings me to this

0:45:46.040 --> 0:45:48.120
<v Speaker 1>other part of your time, which is the good enough rule.

0:45:48.640 --> 0:45:51.399
<v Speaker 1>In his twenty sixteen book The Paradox of Choice, Why

0:45:51.440 --> 0:45:54.399
<v Speaker 1>More is Less, psychology professor Barry Schwartz says people tend

0:45:54.400 --> 0:45:57.640
<v Speaker 1>to make decisions in one of two general ways. Maximizers

0:45:57.680 --> 0:46:00.919
<v Speaker 1>try to find the perfect choice and compare everything. Satisfiers

0:46:00.960 --> 0:46:05.839
<v Speaker 1>pick good enough. The paradoxes, maximizers make objectively better decisions,

0:46:05.880 --> 0:46:12.279
<v Speaker 1>but might feel more regret and dissatisfaction. That's hilarious. That's

0:46:12.360 --> 0:46:14.759
<v Speaker 1>that can be really true, because like sometimes I'm like,

0:46:14.800 --> 0:46:15.920
<v Speaker 1>oh my god, oh my god, I'm my got And

0:46:15.960 --> 0:46:18.120
<v Speaker 1>then I finally settle on and I'm like, oh, but

0:46:18.160 --> 0:46:21.560
<v Speaker 1>what if I'd done the other thing as opposed to Eh, whatever,

0:46:21.640 --> 0:46:24.080
<v Speaker 1>I'll just do this right, yeah, just kind of what

0:46:24.120 --> 0:46:29.640
<v Speaker 1>we ended up doing on what was yesterday? Whatever yesterday was. Oh, girl,

0:46:29.640 --> 0:46:32.600
<v Speaker 1>I don't know what day it is anymore. Girl, did

0:46:32.640 --> 0:46:34.520
<v Speaker 1>I tell you our flight was delayed? I'm doing this

0:46:34.640 --> 0:46:38.520
<v Speaker 1>on like four hours of sleep. Nothing. Oh my flight

0:46:38.680 --> 0:46:41.960
<v Speaker 1>was delayed on the tarmac. Speaking of choices, we had

0:46:41.960 --> 0:46:43.359
<v Speaker 1>a choice whether or not to get off the plane

0:46:43.360 --> 0:46:44.920
<v Speaker 1>at one point, and I was like, no, I'm not

0:46:44.960 --> 0:46:47.600
<v Speaker 1>getting off this plane. I can ride this plane all

0:46:47.600 --> 0:46:49.840
<v Speaker 1>the way to LA. We were on the tarmac, or

0:46:49.840 --> 0:46:51.560
<v Speaker 1>not even the tarmac. We were at the gate for

0:46:52.480 --> 0:46:57.440
<v Speaker 1>two hours and then we had another hour wait on Oh,

0:46:57.640 --> 0:46:59.960
<v Speaker 1>I watched Dirty dancing holds up, great movie?

0:47:00.120 --> 0:47:06.479
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, oh ahead of okay, ahead of its time,

0:47:06.719 --> 0:47:08.080
<v Speaker 2>truly ahead of time time.

0:47:10.000 --> 0:47:11.560
<v Speaker 1>Okay, I want to do this thing? Wait, hold on,

0:47:11.600 --> 0:47:14.399
<v Speaker 1>where is it? I just found us this thing. Let's

0:47:14.520 --> 0:47:16.640
<v Speaker 1>end with this. Which is this rapid fire game called

0:47:16.640 --> 0:47:19.279
<v Speaker 1>the this or that question Generator. It's like a team

0:47:19.320 --> 0:47:23.200
<v Speaker 1>building exercise. We can link it on the story in

0:47:23.239 --> 0:47:29.719
<v Speaker 1>our stories or something great. This post contains what you

0:47:29.800 --> 0:47:32.680
<v Speaker 1>found our list of this or that questions. This or

0:47:32.680 --> 0:47:35.360
<v Speaker 1>that questions are prompts to ask participants to choose for

0:47:35.440 --> 0:47:38.040
<v Speaker 1>one or two of two options. The purpose of these

0:47:38.080 --> 0:47:40.120
<v Speaker 1>questions is usually to help adults break the ice or

0:47:40.160 --> 0:47:42.480
<v Speaker 1>service quick and fun game for friends. These prompts are

0:47:42.480 --> 0:47:46.080
<v Speaker 1>also known as either or questions. Oh, I'm going to

0:47:46.120 --> 0:47:47.880
<v Speaker 1>scroll down to the click and the click for the

0:47:47.960 --> 0:47:51.960
<v Speaker 1>randomized questions. Are you ready Melissa? Okay, I'm ready? Okay.

0:47:52.560 --> 0:47:59.080
<v Speaker 1>Messy desk or clean desk? Clean dusk cleaned? Us? Mowing

0:47:59.120 --> 0:48:01.640
<v Speaker 1>the yard or the garden? Oh?

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<v Speaker 3>Weating?

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<v Speaker 2>Weating cookies are brownies, brownies cookies? Watch sports or play sports?

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<v Speaker 2>Watch sports?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay? Sun or moon moon? Ooh sun Son? Robots are dinosaurs.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh oh, they'll both kill us TV or movies TV TV,

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<v Speaker 1>owe money or oh a favor. I'd rather owe money, honestly,

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<v Speaker 1>I would. Also, I don't want to owe nobody in

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<v Speaker 1>a favorite, you know what I mean? Like, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know what you're gonna ask me to do.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, It's like when school asked you to

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<v Speaker 2>do shit, and I'm like, can I just give you money?

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<v Speaker 1>Just get Can I just give you money I don't

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<v Speaker 1>want Can we.

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<v Speaker 2>All just not do this thing that we all don't

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<v Speaker 2>want to do and.

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<v Speaker 1>Just give you money? Oh my god? Would you rather

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<v Speaker 1>be embarrassed or be afraid?

0:48:53.080 --> 0:49:01.280
<v Speaker 2>I'd rather be afraid rather be be is like, wow,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know that's and I feel like I gave

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<v Speaker 2>a tricky answer though, because it's really hard to embarrass me.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so it's just no, no, it just means I

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<v Speaker 1>don't I challenge accepted. Wow. Okay, so I'll remember that.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Fruits are vegetables. Vegetables. Fruits. Words are actions words. Actions.

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<v Speaker 1>I love romance. I mean I'm thinking about it romantically.

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<v Speaker 1>Chocolate or vanilla, vanilla.

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<v Speaker 2>Chocolate, Hot coffee or iced coffee. I know your answer

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<v Speaker 2>depends on the hot, but I did have an ice

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<v Speaker 2>latte today.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, because it's fucking hot out, call first thing in

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<v Speaker 1>the morning or call in the middle of the night.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's say it's someone calling you, I'd rather call first

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<v Speaker 1>thing in the morning. If it's the middle of the night,

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<v Speaker 1>that's an emergency, that's scary.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, first in the morning, right, But I am talking

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<v Speaker 2>not useful for no, please don't call me for an

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<v Speaker 2>emergen the morning.

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<v Speaker 1>No, I'm going to change.

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<v Speaker 2>My answer to the middle of the night because I'm

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<v Speaker 2>actually going to be more useful.

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<v Speaker 1>And then you'll be like, what's going on.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I'm in, I'm locked in, I will go, I've

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<v Speaker 2>got I will I'm British shovel, I will do whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>Would you a speeding ticket or parking ticket? Parking ticket? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want to be I don't want uh uhh no.

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<v Speaker 1>Sneezing or coughing, ew, coughing, disgusting both of them laughing you.

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<v Speaker 2>I hate sneezing so much. My whole family makes fun

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<v Speaker 2>of me because I will yell the F word after

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<v Speaker 2>I sneeze, because.

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<v Speaker 1>Everyone you like sneezed. Did you sneeze your cough like

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<v Speaker 1>right in my mouth? That one time when you were sick.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god.

0:50:52.480 --> 0:50:55.799
<v Speaker 2>I just told that story on Angela Johnson's podcast. I

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<v Speaker 2>had strep throat and I laughed.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't cough.

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<v Speaker 2>I laughed and a little bit in my mouth, a

0:51:01.320 --> 0:51:03.759
<v Speaker 2>tiny piece of spit went into Stephanie's mouth, and I

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<v Speaker 2>was like, for her, wedding was before your wedding or

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<v Speaker 2>before your botch Ratt party. It was right before, like

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<v Speaker 2>a wedding event. I don't remember if it was the

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<v Speaker 2>wedding itself or a wedding event.

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<v Speaker 1>I conducted myself very well in that moment. I wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>like you did you?

0:51:18.520 --> 0:51:21.200
<v Speaker 2>I was like, I could tell that you maybe wanted

0:51:21.239 --> 0:51:24.319
<v Speaker 2>to kill me, but but exact way, what can you do?

0:51:24.600 --> 0:51:26.960
<v Speaker 2>What can you restrange yourself? And you think like you

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<v Speaker 2>didn't get sick? God, that was the worst case of

0:51:29.640 --> 0:51:31.520
<v Speaker 2>strap and I can't believed and get it.

0:51:32.200 --> 0:51:37.320
<v Speaker 1>I had a pimple that I manifested away the morning

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<v Speaker 1>of my wedding. I was like, no, you're not you're not, No,

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<v Speaker 1>you're not here, You're not invited to this. You have

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<v Speaker 1>to go away.

0:51:43.920 --> 0:51:45.880
<v Speaker 2>We're going to You're gonna go back into the body

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<v Speaker 2>and you're yeah at a later time.

0:51:47.800 --> 0:51:49.960
<v Speaker 1>And it did. It dissipated.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I believe that. Shit, that's the power of mine.

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<v Speaker 1>I do too, That's that's the power of me making

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<v Speaker 1>a decision. Okay, last question, Christmas or your birthday? Oh Christmas?

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<v Speaker 1>That Christmas? Yeah, listen, I love not you Juanna. Okay,

0:52:07.000 --> 0:52:10.439
<v Speaker 1>that was fine. It reminded mad like a BuzzFeed quiz. God.

0:52:10.480 --> 0:52:14.280
<v Speaker 1>I used to love those. Oh my god, that was fun. Well,

0:52:14.320 --> 0:52:16.799
<v Speaker 1>we will link that somewhere for you guys to do,

0:52:16.840 --> 0:52:19.040
<v Speaker 1>because that is a fun kind of game for people.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, more better.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, what'd you learn today? And I learned?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I think I learned that maybe I'm better at

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<v Speaker 2>decisions than I thought I was when we started this conversation. Yeah,

0:52:38.000 --> 0:52:40.160
<v Speaker 2>and like that, there's not really a right way or

0:52:40.160 --> 0:52:41.440
<v Speaker 2>a wrong way to make a decision.

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<v Speaker 1>No, not really works for you. I want to start

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<v Speaker 1>calling this part takeaway because that's what the Brits call takeout.

0:52:49.840 --> 0:52:53.319
<v Speaker 1>Oh we're gonna do what's your takeaways? What's your takeaways?

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<v Speaker 1>I like that? Yeah, yeah, I agree with you. My

0:52:56.800 --> 0:52:59.839
<v Speaker 1>takeaway is like, I'm not this is okay. The way

0:52:59.840 --> 0:53:01.520
<v Speaker 1>that I'm doing this is all right. I don't have

0:53:01.600 --> 0:53:06.239
<v Speaker 1>to get upset at it's really the judgment around the

0:53:06.320 --> 0:53:09.120
<v Speaker 1>decision making. Yeah, that is the worst part. It's like

0:53:09.280 --> 0:53:13.520
<v Speaker 1>me judging myself as doing a bad job on my

0:53:13.719 --> 0:53:17.160
<v Speaker 1>trip by being a little bit paralyzed. Like, so what,

0:53:17.239 --> 0:53:19.280
<v Speaker 1>I still had a great day. It was really fun.

0:53:20.080 --> 0:53:23.400
<v Speaker 1>I did stuff that like I didn't plan for but

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<v Speaker 1>was still fun and exciting.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and you were in a place where there's like

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<v Speaker 2>too many decisions.

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<v Speaker 1>It's fine.

0:53:30.360 --> 0:53:34.040
<v Speaker 2>So it's fine. That was a very human reaction. Incredible

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<v Speaker 2>an overwhelming place, New York City.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not for the week. Do you feel a little

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<v Speaker 1>more better? I always feel a little way better. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I do.

0:53:44.520 --> 0:53:44.759
<v Speaker 2>I do.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a good guys, season two. We're up to a

0:53:47.480 --> 0:53:51.880
<v Speaker 1>great start. We're so excited to continue doing this podcast.

0:53:51.880 --> 0:53:54.040
<v Speaker 1>Thank you guys for listening. We're so excited to bring

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<v Speaker 1>you more stuff. Please continue sending us your questions and

0:53:59.200 --> 0:54:02.480
<v Speaker 1>stuff like that, because we love talking about it and

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<v Speaker 1>we'd love giving advice, even though we're totally unqualified. Anyway.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll see you guys next time. See next Dame Baby,

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<v Speaker 1>more more better. Do you have something you'd like to

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<v Speaker 1>be more better at that you want us to talk

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<v Speaker 1>about in a future episode?

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<v Speaker 2>Can you relate to our struggles or have you tried

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<v Speaker 1>with Stephanie Melissa is a production from Wvsound and iHeartMedia's

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<v Speaker 1>More Better is produced by ISIS Madrid and Sophie Spencer Zabels.

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<v Speaker 2>Our executive producers are Stephanie Beatrice, myself, Melissa Kumero, along

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<v Speaker 1>This episode was edited by ISIS Madrid and engineered by

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