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Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Kristin Davis, and I want to know, are

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Speaker 1: you a Charlotte?

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Speaker 2: Okay?

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Speaker 1: This episode is called boy Girl, Boy Girl, and it

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Speaker 1: is written by Jenny Bis. Jenny Bis to me is

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Speaker 1: she grew up on the Upper East Side, like she

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Speaker 1: really helped Charlotte get developed. She came on was it

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Speaker 1: halfway through the second second? I think she came on

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Speaker 1: as a consult first, like a consultant was it first? Okay,

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Speaker 1: she came on a little bit and she said it

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Speaker 1: was just Michael Darren and her and sometimes she would

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Speaker 1: have to draw drawings on the whiteboard of how female

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Speaker 2: I'm glad she was there.

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Speaker 1: I know, I'm really glad she was there. To excuse me,

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Speaker 1: I'm really glad she was there too. And then Cindy

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Speaker 1: came and then we had two and then they eventually.

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Speaker 3: Rose to be executive producers, which was great.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: But it's funny to me that she wrote this because

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Speaker 1: I think of her as just really.

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Speaker 3: Like middle of the road, not edgy in any way.

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Speaker 3: Sorry Jenny, but.

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Speaker 1: Right, But it's interesting because literally this episode, when you

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Speaker 1: watch it in twenty twenty five, it is stunningly correct.

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Speaker 4: It is very it is the time one of the

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Speaker 4: timeless episodes, I would say, and there are many, but

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Speaker 4: I just think also what's so amazing about being a

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Speaker 4: writer is that you get to explore sides of yourself

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Speaker 4: So I'm sure this was such a fun way to

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Speaker 4: like stretch those, you know.

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Speaker 2: Parts of herself.

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Speaker 4: Definitely, yeah, And so I rewatched it before I got

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Speaker 4: here when I was in New York last week.

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Speaker 2: And I also want to.

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Speaker 4: Say that I love that those three characters that are

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Speaker 4: because I think there's this idea that as you grow older,

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Speaker 4: But I'm like New York for life. I've been there

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Speaker 4: for thirteen years. So I just love that they really

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Speaker 4: committed and they're like Icon's mainstays. So this episode where

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Speaker 4: as Carrie is she is it is revealed that she's

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Speaker 4: seating a younger bisexual.

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Speaker 1: Yes, who's adorable adorable Eddie k. Hill, who apparently has

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Speaker 1: quit the business. We found out because we were smart,

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Speaker 1: we were investigating adorable. I'm sure that's true. I don't

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Speaker 3: We felt like like.

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Speaker 1: Old Hollywood people, you know what I mean, because back

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Speaker 1: then you were supposed to be done at forty, right,

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Speaker 1: thank god, is not true anymore, Thank the heavens. That's

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Speaker 1: a good thing that's changed. Yeah, but it's not like

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Speaker 1: Then we have this whole coffee shop scene where she

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Speaker 3: Is, and now we really are right, like now, this

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Speaker 4: how many people, how many women would still have hang

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Speaker 1: That we don't even use the word polyamory, because I

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Speaker 1: And I talked to also to Benny because of overcompensating

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Speaker 1: You know, and then I had this boyfriend who was

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Speaker 1: So I really relate when I watch over Compensating because

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Speaker 1: But I also love like the fact that this kid,

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Speaker 4: Well, it seemed like this had to be one episode,

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Speaker 1: And I felt like she really gave it at all,

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Speaker 4: And as someone that now I'm I never thought i'd

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Speaker 2: It is interesting she puts the outfit on. You know,

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Speaker 2: And speaking different Charlotte.

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Speaker 4: Okay, I mean it's not let's not say that Charlotte's

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Speaker 1: Charlotte is definitely doing stuff way more than you really realize.

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Speaker 1: I go to Williamsburg, your place of residence, and to

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Speaker 4: Yes, these are creatives that are putting their art out

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Speaker 4: And I think for Charlotte in this episode, it's it's

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Speaker 4: I think it's a problem. But then my mind I go, well,

445
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Speaker 4: they're probably just damming me, But I know in my

446
00:18:28,400 --> 00:18:30,919
Speaker 4: in my part of hearts, they're dming ten.

447
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Speaker 2: Other people too, But who cares. It depends what you're

448
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Speaker 2: looking for.

449
00:18:34,320 --> 00:18:35,960
Speaker 3: Well, that's true, it depends what you're looking for.

450
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Speaker 1: But also like maybe if you then converse with them

451
00:18:38,880 --> 00:18:40,960
Speaker 1: in person, it might shift things.

452
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Speaker 4: That's the hope, that's that shark it, that's Charlotte hope

453
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Speaker 4: that I carry with me.

454
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Speaker 3: Well, I'm glad you have the Charlotte hope.

455
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Speaker 1: But I do think it is harder to make that

456
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Speaker 1: step in real life, right, totally, And I think it's

457
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Speaker 1: only gotten harder because of the apps.

458
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Speaker 2: Right.

459
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Speaker 3: But I'm not against people dming. I'm not against that.

460
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Speaker 3: I'll DM people back but I have to know you. Yeah,

461
00:19:03,640 --> 00:19:04,359
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying.

462
00:19:04,480 --> 00:19:07,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, so maybe that would be. But back in the day,

463
00:19:08,119 --> 00:19:11,159
Speaker 1: when I was, you know, younger, and we were at

464
00:19:11,200 --> 00:19:14,040
Speaker 1: the height of the the you'd go out, Oh my god.

465
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Speaker 1: First of all, there was a lot of drugs. I

466
00:19:15,560 --> 00:19:17,120
Speaker 1: wasn't doing them, but there were a lot of drugs.

467
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Speaker 1: And second all, I mean depended where you were, right

468
00:19:19,560 --> 00:19:22,840
Speaker 1: but and the phones were there, but they weren't quite.

469
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Speaker 3: Like how they are now. Yeah, but also they were

470
00:19:24,680 --> 00:19:26,200
Speaker 3: just people were just flirty.

471
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Speaker 4: My god, I mean that's what I want. When I

472
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Speaker 4: first moved to New York, it was twenty twenty twelve,

473
00:19:32,800 --> 00:19:35,919
Speaker 4: and it felt like it was right before the apps

474
00:19:36,040 --> 00:19:39,679
Speaker 4: just became like the only thing people used to meet people.

475
00:19:39,760 --> 00:19:41,880
Speaker 4: And there was just this sense of like every night

476
00:19:41,920 --> 00:19:43,440
Speaker 4: you went out, you could fall in love.

477
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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, I mean maybe you don't.

478
00:19:45,520 --> 00:19:47,760
Speaker 4: Maybe you meet someone and you kissed for five seconds

479
00:19:47,760 --> 00:19:48,920
Speaker 4: on a dance floor and you never see them, you

480
00:19:48,920 --> 00:19:52,280
Speaker 4: don't even learn their name. But there was this sense

481
00:19:52,320 --> 00:19:54,800
Speaker 4: that like anything could happen. And I do think the

482
00:19:54,920 --> 00:19:59,399
Speaker 4: romance of sex and the city just really like created

483
00:19:59,440 --> 00:20:02,399
Speaker 4: that environment. I'm just like, we don't really create it.

484
00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:05,639
Speaker 3: We mean, we mean do they just we that was

485
00:20:05,840 --> 00:20:08,040
Speaker 3: how it was and we put it on screen. We

486
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Speaker 3: didn't create it.

487
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Speaker 4: I think for a lot of young women watching the show, sure,

488
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Speaker 4: it felt like when you get to New.

489
00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:16,720
Speaker 1: York, that was your experience or your expectations. Yeah, I'm

490
00:20:16,760 --> 00:20:18,440
Speaker 1: sorry that it's not there, but it.

491
00:20:18,440 --> 00:20:18,920
Speaker 3: Is more there.

492
00:20:18,920 --> 00:20:20,320
Speaker 2: That's good.

493
00:20:20,520 --> 00:20:21,560
Speaker 3: I think it should come back.

494
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Speaker 1: And I also think that some of it is finding

495
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Speaker 1: like your group or your people, because I feel like

496
00:20:26,760 --> 00:20:30,000
Speaker 1: in LA I'm not totally sure because I don't go

497
00:20:30,040 --> 00:20:32,200
Speaker 1: out a lot, but I do feel like it's still happening,

498
00:20:32,440 --> 00:20:34,480
Speaker 1: but you have to find a place where it's comfortable.

499
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Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I just I mainly hang out with gay guys,

500
00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:39,719
Speaker 4: so that's also part of my problem if I want

501
00:20:39,760 --> 00:20:41,400
Speaker 4: to hook up with people, but I have the best time.

502
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Speaker 1: They're really fun and they're going to protect you, which

503
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Speaker 1: is nice. All right, let's talk about the episode for

504
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Speaker 1: a second. Okay, So my question that I want to

505
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Speaker 1: ask you, as someone who has open to people, when

506
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Speaker 1: Alanis and Carrie kiss, what were your thoughts.

507
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Speaker 4: Well, since it's been the bottle, I feel like it's

508
00:21:01,040 --> 00:21:04,560
Speaker 4: pretty innocent. You know, It's not like it didn't feel

509
00:21:04,600 --> 00:21:07,760
Speaker 4: like maybe this will change the trajectory of Carrie's life

510
00:21:07,800 --> 00:21:10,280
Speaker 4: and she'll be open to dating women definite. It sort

511
00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:13,080
Speaker 4: of felt like, you know what it felt like to me.

512
00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:15,399
Speaker 4: It was a woman who is open to being in

513
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Speaker 4: a situation and she says, you know what, this is

514
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Speaker 4: just not the stage of life that I'm in anymore,

515
00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:23,040
Speaker 4: and that's so fine and so fair. It's like you,

516
00:21:23,119 --> 00:21:26,240
Speaker 4: sometimes I think dating younger can be so appealing because

517
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Speaker 4: you feel like, well, maybe then my life I'll.

518
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Speaker 2: It'll just feel like I'm young too.

519
00:21:31,280 --> 00:21:33,680
Speaker 4: Absolutely, But then there's elements where you just go, I'm

520
00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:36,480
Speaker 4: actually past the spin the bottle phase of life, definitely,

521
00:21:36,560 --> 00:21:38,359
Speaker 4: and that's just not where I'm at. And I think

522
00:21:38,560 --> 00:21:42,480
Speaker 4: to know oneself in that way to walk away is

523
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Speaker 4: that's like what I think, that's what feeling.

524
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Speaker 2: I don't.

525
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Speaker 4: I don't wish I was in my twenties because I

526
00:21:48,359 --> 00:21:51,560
Speaker 4: am self actualized now or at least getting close, and

527
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Speaker 4: I feel like that is a moment when the person

528
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Speaker 4: would leave that you feel like, that's if I was

529
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Speaker 4: in my twenties, I wouldn't mayven try to shoehorn myself

530
00:21:59,359 --> 00:22:01,879
Speaker 4: into the situation and make it work in your thirties

531
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Speaker 4: to just go I'll meet someone else.

532
00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:07,439
Speaker 1: Oh, definitely, definitely, definitely. I mean for me watching and

533
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Speaker 1: I remember thinking this at the time, and I don't

534
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Speaker 1: know if it was just me projecting because it was Atlantis,

535
00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:16,760
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, I wanted that kiss to be better.

536
00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:19,720
Speaker 4: Well, And sometimes you do think as a viewer, like

537
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Speaker 4: was it the actors or was it just the take

538
00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:25,560
Speaker 4: they used or at the moment, or was it propelling

539
00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:28,840
Speaker 4: story of just like how hard they go on the kiss?

540
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Speaker 2: Right?

541
00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:29,960
Speaker 4: Right?

542
00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:31,240
Speaker 2: Sure, it's always the thought.

543
00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:33,399
Speaker 4: Right and I know these are actors, these are real

544
00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:35,399
Speaker 4: people that are going, I'm kissing Atlanta's morse right now,

545
00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:38,120
Speaker 4: definitely's Morset's going, I'm kissing Sarah Jessica Parker.

546
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Speaker 1: I think Atlantis is totally fine with that and very

547
00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:44,960
Speaker 1: down and very open. I feel like, because we also

548
00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:48,080
Speaker 1: know the ending, right, there's always going to be that

549
00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:51,520
Speaker 1: frame that you're you're probably picking the take that you

550
00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:54,359
Speaker 1: felt walk the line sure of her being opened, but

551
00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:55,520
Speaker 1: her not being that into it.

552
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Speaker 3: But for me as a.

553
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Speaker 1: Viewer, I was like, give in more, babe, enjoy that kiss.

554
00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:01,840
Speaker 3: That's more. That's how I felt watching it.

555
00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:05,840
Speaker 4: Maybe carries the prude that's what we're going to change

556
00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:06,359
Speaker 4: the narrative.

557
00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:07,879
Speaker 3: I like that. I like that.

558
00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:09,560
Speaker 1: I like that, But I don't think we should call

559
00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:11,600
Speaker 1: anyone a prude though, because I feel I felt so

560
00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:13,439
Speaker 1: bad when they would say that to me for so

561
00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:15,639
Speaker 1: many years, Like every interview I would do, they'd be like,

562
00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:17,880
Speaker 1: so you play the prude, and I'd be like, so.

563
00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:22,400
Speaker 2: That's that's just it's reductive, it is and unfair.

564
00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:24,439
Speaker 1: And then like at one point, I almost wore this

565
00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:28,760
Speaker 1: crazy Michael Kor's dress to the Emmys because my representatives

566
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Speaker 1: felt like people didn't perceive me as sexual and I

567
00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:33,439
Speaker 1: was like, Okay, now I'm just exhausted, do.

568
00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:35,480
Speaker 3: You know what I mean? Like, what the hell do

569
00:23:35,560 --> 00:23:36,640
Speaker 3: I have to do here?

570
00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:39,480
Speaker 1: And then in a show called Sex and the City exactly,

571
00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:41,879
Speaker 1: but I was the prude in the show Sex and

572
00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:43,760
Speaker 1: the City, or at least that was the perception.

573
00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:46,360
Speaker 3: But obviously it all worked out. But like at the.

574
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Speaker 1: Time, I remember my my, my guy. People wanted me

575
00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:52,200
Speaker 1: to wear this, like I think Mariah Carey ended up wearing.

576
00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:55,080
Speaker 1: It was like the PC dress dress. I know, I

577
00:23:55,119 --> 00:23:56,439
Speaker 1: almost wore that. I almost wore that.

578
00:23:56,480 --> 00:23:58,800
Speaker 3: I was. I was scared to death too. Michael wanted

579
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Speaker 3: me to wear it. He's very sweet, but I was like,

580
00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:03,280
Speaker 3: how do you keep it on?

581
00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:03,800
Speaker 5: Or whatever?

582
00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:06,280
Speaker 3: Then Mariah wore which amen to her right.

583
00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:10,399
Speaker 1: But my my female pr was like, you don't have

584
00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:11,600
Speaker 1: to prove anything to anyone.

585
00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:12,960
Speaker 3: You should look like a princess.

586
00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:14,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's nice.

587
00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:16,400
Speaker 3: Interesting, it was interesting, you you know what I mean.

588
00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:17,080
Speaker 3: But it's true.

589
00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:18,760
Speaker 1: I didn't have to prove anything to anyone. But also

590
00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:20,800
Speaker 1: you want to feel good and powerful, right, So what

591
00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:21,960
Speaker 1: does good and powerful mean?

592
00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:23,040
Speaker 3: But then all these other.

593
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Speaker 1: People were everyone has opinions, yes, so many opinions, but

594
00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:28,840
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not unhappy with anything that I wore.

595
00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:29,440
Speaker 3: So it all works.

596
00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:31,119
Speaker 2: That's good, that's I mean, that's huge.

597
00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:41,920
Speaker 6: That's huge.

598
00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:45,720
Speaker 3: Oh, Miranda, let's talk about Miranda and Steve.

599
00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:48,920
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, Miranda steee.

600
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Speaker 4: I just you know, I love Steve Meets from the

601
00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:55,199
Speaker 4: bottom of my heart. I really do, me too. And

602
00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:58,000
Speaker 4: I love how much he loves Miranda. Yes, and I

603
00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:00,600
Speaker 4: love how much he fights for her. I don't think

604
00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:02,640
Speaker 4: we see that enough in real life or on TV.

605
00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:04,639
Speaker 4: So true is just a man that is fighting for

606
00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:07,040
Speaker 4: his woman because he sees her, I mean, and the.

607
00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:10,760
Speaker 3: Relationship, fighting for the relationship. This is rare. This is

608
00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:14,000
Speaker 3: my advice to any man who might be listening. Nothing

609
00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:16,960
Speaker 3: will turn your woman on more than you fighting for

610
00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:17,920
Speaker 3: the relationship.

611
00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:20,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, and that doesn't mean, like, you know, show up

612
00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:22,080
Speaker 4: at the house uninvited.

613
00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:22,080
Speaker 3: No, that's true.

614
00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:23,560
Speaker 2: Doesn't mean be a soccer.

615
00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:25,159
Speaker 3: When she at the door and he's there.

616
00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:28,119
Speaker 2: But I'm like, god, that would just be so nice.

617
00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:31,680
Speaker 1: I know, well, he's just so present while she's going

618
00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:34,679
Speaker 1: through her different like stresses, like I don't know if

619
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Speaker 1: I could do this, and I don't want to drop

620
00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:36,879
Speaker 1: things in front of you.

621
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Speaker 3: And it's like, oh, it's so sweet.

622
00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:39,879
Speaker 2: And she's so good.

623
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Speaker 4: But I also think Steve is a rare secure attached person,

624
00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:48,800
Speaker 4: a secure attached male, securely attached male character. Dreis Miranda

625
00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:51,119
Speaker 4: is avoidant, and I don't think we see I mean me,

626
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Speaker 4: I've read one book on attachment theory. I'm like a psychologist,

627
00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:56,400
Speaker 4: but I think we don't see that many avoidant women

628
00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:59,440
Speaker 4: on TV. And I really appreciate not that I'm that

629
00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:03,480
Speaker 4: definitely the insecure attachment type, but I think it was

630
00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:05,560
Speaker 4: just it's nice to see that dynamic where she just

631
00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:08,240
Speaker 4: is like constantly pushing him away and he's just like

632
00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:10,480
Speaker 4: Noah and I want to move in with you, I know,

633
00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:12,600
Speaker 4: and they figure out how to cohabitate, and I think

634
00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:14,960
Speaker 4: that's really beautiful. Obviously that relationship takes a lot of

635
00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:17,480
Speaker 4: different turns, but so many I just love him.

636
00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:20,440
Speaker 1: I love him too, And at the time I didn't

637
00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:23,880
Speaker 1: appreciate it, didn't fully understand how incredible he was at

638
00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:26,280
Speaker 1: the time because I was never there when they were working,

639
00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:29,240
Speaker 1: really and then also I was like, what's going to happen?

640
00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:31,439
Speaker 1: I don't know. I didn't understand the trajectory. I mean,

641
00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:32,760
Speaker 1: none of us did, I guess, because I don't even

642
00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:35,640
Speaker 1: think our writers did. But I do love to look

643
00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:39,000
Speaker 1: at it now with now the what we know, because

644
00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:40,760
Speaker 1: it actually does make sense.

645
00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:42,240
Speaker 3: I know it really does.

646
00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:42,920
Speaker 2: It does.

647
00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:45,360
Speaker 1: But there's a lot of people out there who don't

648
00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:48,120
Speaker 1: feel that way, and to them, I apologize, But you.

649
00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:51,080
Speaker 4: Don't have to apologize if you don't know anyone anything.

650
00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:55,280
Speaker 1: Well, I feel I do love like like when people say,

651
00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:58,919
Speaker 1: you know, we followed you and I didn't appreciate this,

652
00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:00,760
Speaker 1: and now I do. Where I I felt this way

653
00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:02,320
Speaker 1: about this at this time in my life, and now

654
00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:04,760
Speaker 1: I feel differently. That's always so rewarding, right, Yeah, But

655
00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:07,320
Speaker 1: then when people have the opposite of like no, that

656
00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:09,919
Speaker 1: would never happen, then it's not rewarding. And then you

657
00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:12,600
Speaker 1: feel sad that they that they're not on the journey

658
00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:13,240
Speaker 1: with you anymore.

659
00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:15,320
Speaker 4: But they might rewatch it in two years and change

660
00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:19,680
Speaker 4: their mind. So I was, I said before we started recording.

661
00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:22,800
Speaker 4: Watching the show in a relationship in your thirties and

662
00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:26,160
Speaker 4: watching the show single in your thirties, completely different experience.

663
00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:28,399
Speaker 4: I was so smug when I had a boyfriend. I

664
00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:30,199
Speaker 4: was like, I figured this out that they never they

665
00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:32,359
Speaker 4: couldn't get there. They got there eventually, but I figured

666
00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:34,320
Speaker 4: it out. And then I'm watching it single, you just

667
00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:35,280
Speaker 4: go I am these women.

668
00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:37,560
Speaker 1: So, Marybeth, I just want to say to you. Maybe

669
00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:39,080
Speaker 1: I shouldn't say this on your I want to say

670
00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:44,639
Speaker 1: this to you. You are a complex person and you

671
00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:45,920
Speaker 1: have a lot going on.

672
00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:47,840
Speaker 2: Yes, you do not need to be.

673
00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:51,960
Speaker 1: Doing some kind of preconceived like small life with the boyfriend.

674
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:52,679
Speaker 2: I don't want that.

675
00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:54,600
Speaker 3: Well figured it out. I don't want that, right, Like,

676
00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:56,159
Speaker 3: you shouldn't even be saying these words.

677
00:27:56,359 --> 00:27:58,400
Speaker 4: Oh I'm glad I'm not in those either of those

678
00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:01,440
Speaker 4: relationships now good, But It's just like when you watch

679
00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:04,560
Speaker 4: it single in your thirties, It's just like that is Yeah,

680
00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:07,239
Speaker 4: this is what the experience is, and it presents so

681
00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:09,360
Speaker 4: many different things to the audience.

682
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:11,280
Speaker 1: You have a lot to give, and you have a

683
00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:13,920
Speaker 1: big career, and you need to put your energy there.

684
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:15,040
Speaker 2: This is why I am.

685
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:16,920
Speaker 4: I have nowhere else to put it good. I put

686
00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:19,080
Speaker 4: it into my friendships, my family, my career, and my dog.

687
00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:23,280
Speaker 1: That's I totally approve. I totally approve that good. I

688
00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:24,960
Speaker 1: just don't want you to be thinking like that you

689
00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:26,359
Speaker 1: failed or no.

690
00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:29,159
Speaker 4: I think it's just like it's feeling more like I

691
00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:31,040
Speaker 4: would love someone to watch sex and the city with

692
00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:32,679
Speaker 4: that loves it as much as I do.

693
00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:35,400
Speaker 3: Well for sure, and those people do exist and they're

694
00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:37,480
Speaker 3: gay guys. No, I had Adam's got on.

695
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:40,360
Speaker 2: He's married, I know. I'm I'm happy for him, right me.

696
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:41,320
Speaker 3: Too, Me too.

697
00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:43,200
Speaker 1: I'm just saying at some point in his life he

698
00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:45,200
Speaker 1: wasn't I don't know when he got married, but in

699
00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:47,280
Speaker 1: his thirties probably, do you know what I mean? So

700
00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:49,880
Speaker 1: like I'm just staying they're out there, you know, don't

701
00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:51,160
Speaker 1: settle in any way.

702
00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:52,920
Speaker 4: If you are a straight man who loves Sex and

703
00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:55,000
Speaker 4: the City. My damns are open.

704
00:28:57,720 --> 00:28:58,200
Speaker 2: I love it.

705
00:28:58,240 --> 00:28:58,680
Speaker 3: I love it.

706
00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:00,720
Speaker 1: But the other thing is, and you know this is

707
00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:02,400
Speaker 1: bad that I'm gonna say it, but like, sometimes you're

708
00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:04,720
Speaker 1: not gonna love everything that the other person loves, right,

709
00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:08,280
Speaker 1: But that's okay, yeah, jny me, Yeah, Okay, let's talk

710
00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:12,440
Speaker 1: about Samantha briefly. Okay, So Samantha's got the assistant no

711
00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:14,360
Speaker 1: memory of this storyline, okay.

712
00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:16,480
Speaker 4: And neither do I accept rewatching and I was like, oh, yeah,

713
00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:18,920
Speaker 4: this is the guy that's like a macho sort.

714
00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:22,040
Speaker 3: Of I know, weird, weird, right, But I.

715
00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:24,680
Speaker 4: Love that the episode is and this is what Sex

716
00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:27,440
Speaker 4: and City does so well. It's the thematic nature of

717
00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:28,720
Speaker 4: all the character storylines.

718
00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:31,160
Speaker 1: This is where we finally have that going your season,

719
00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:33,920
Speaker 1: second season. Sometimes it clicks, sometimes it didn't. Now we've

720
00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:35,840
Speaker 1: fully got it and I love it. But what I

721
00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:38,400
Speaker 1: did love that the crux of their storyline. Also because

722
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:40,560
Speaker 1: we have so many characters, as you guys do on

723
00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:44,400
Speaker 1: over compensating. Also, you know you have ABC D storyline, right,

724
00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:46,680
Speaker 1: so you always know that you might have D storyline

725
00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:48,320
Speaker 1: this week and you'll have a better one next week.

726
00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:48,680
Speaker 3: Whatever.

727
00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:52,040
Speaker 1: But what my favorite part about that, and I don't

728
00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:54,920
Speaker 1: know if you've ever related to this or whatever. So

729
00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:56,160
Speaker 1: she's got this assistant.

730
00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:57,080
Speaker 3: He's very cute.

731
00:29:57,320 --> 00:29:59,040
Speaker 1: You see her at the beginning, she's like, I can't

732
00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:01,240
Speaker 1: find a good assistant in you. And then he walked

733
00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:02,960
Speaker 1: in the door and she's like, oh, okay, how are you.

734
00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:06,320
Speaker 1: But he's very arrogant and so he's like yelling at

735
00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:08,240
Speaker 1: people on the phone and she's like, we don't do

736
00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:10,760
Speaker 1: business like that, you know, and he's like, I do la.

737
00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:13,560
Speaker 1: So he argues with her and then she eventually fires

738
00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:15,720
Speaker 1: him and says the good news is now we can

739
00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:18,760
Speaker 1: and so then they kissed like in that frantic TV

740
00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:21,000
Speaker 1: way that we did, and then she pushes him down

741
00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:22,680
Speaker 1: on the desk and he goes, we can come the

742
00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:24,680
Speaker 1: desk and he goes no on the chair and she

743
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:28,480
Speaker 1: goes no on the desk, and then the voiceover says

744
00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:31,160
Speaker 1: and of course Samantha was on top. Like that is

745
00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:37,320
Speaker 1: a dynamic that I still find interesting with men about

746
00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:39,000
Speaker 1: like who's in charge?

747
00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:43,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's it definitely I think is still a huge

748
00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:46,880
Speaker 4: not problem, but it definitely comes up in relationships, sometimes

749
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:49,400
Speaker 4: in subtle ways, sometimes not. But it's like if a

750
00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:53,280
Speaker 4: woman wants to you know, be in charge quote unquote,

751
00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:55,440
Speaker 4: then they're bossy. But if a man wants to be

752
00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:57,400
Speaker 4: in charge, then he's just like, you know, being the

753
00:30:57,440 --> 00:31:00,720
Speaker 4: man in the relationship. So I have had so many

754
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:03,920
Speaker 4: men call me bossy. I have never been called bossy

755
00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:06,800
Speaker 4: by a woman. So I just find that really interesting.

756
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:06,840
Speaker 3: Isn't it.

757
00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:09,320
Speaker 4: And I love that Samantha, you know, say what you will.

758
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:12,680
Speaker 4: She's ethical, She's not going to have sex with her employee. Absolutely,

759
00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:14,120
Speaker 4: she's not going to use power.

760
00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:16,320
Speaker 2: She's going to have sex with him once she fires him.

761
00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:18,520
Speaker 3: Most definitely. I love it very much. I love it

762
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:18,920
Speaker 3: very much.

763
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:20,760
Speaker 1: And I also love just the whole that you want

764
00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:26,200
Speaker 1: a strong man, right theoretically or whatever, but then who's

765
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:27,720
Speaker 1: going to choose where you're going to have sex?

766
00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:27,880
Speaker 5: Well?

767
00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:30,640
Speaker 4: And then you know, men are constantly saying like they

768
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:32,560
Speaker 4: want a strong woman, but then when you get in

769
00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:35,240
Speaker 4: that situation, sometimes their actions prove otherwise.

770
00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:38,320
Speaker 3: Oh I'm there, I'm there. I've been there many times. Yeah,

771
00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:40,920
Speaker 3: many times, many times. My ex and I think I

772
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:42,800
Speaker 3: might have said this before. My ex at one point

773
00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:45,240
Speaker 3: told me that I needed to stop telling the cab

774
00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:46,160
Speaker 3: driver where to go.

775
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:48,320
Speaker 1: I had to wait I had to get in the

776
00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:50,520
Speaker 1: car in the back. This is pretty uber, right, And

777
00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:52,200
Speaker 1: I had to wait for him to get in the

778
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:54,560
Speaker 1: car and he could tell the cab driver where to go.

779
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:59,240
Speaker 1: And I was just like, this is really hard.

780
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:02,040
Speaker 2: It's just it's the like nitpicking.

781
00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:04,560
Speaker 4: And I was in a relationship where I would always

782
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:08,239
Speaker 4: because my mom is like very brash and she is

783
00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:08,800
Speaker 4: just in charge.

784
00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:09,880
Speaker 2: So she's the way we live in.

785
00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:13,320
Speaker 4: My family's very natureful, six children, six kids, and she

786
00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:15,280
Speaker 4: had to run it like the Navy, as the military.

787
00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:17,160
Speaker 3: Imagine. I am too. It's hard.

788
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:18,960
Speaker 4: I would walk into restaurants and I would say, oh,

789
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:20,920
Speaker 4: it's two for dinner, for for dinner, whatever it is.

790
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:23,800
Speaker 4: I never picked up on that ever, right, it was

791
00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:26,000
Speaker 4: just like I'm walking in first and I'm telling them,

792
00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:28,520
Speaker 4: I'm telling the hostess what I needed why, And that

793
00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:30,480
Speaker 4: was commented upon is like every time you walk into

794
00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:31,960
Speaker 4: a restaurant, you're the one saying.

795
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:35,640
Speaker 3: See, that is not the guy for you right now.

796
00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:37,600
Speaker 1: I hung in with this relationship for a very long

797
00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:39,480
Speaker 1: time where I did try to sit in the back.

798
00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:41,520
Speaker 3: Of the cab and be quiet. But it's hard, and

799
00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:43,680
Speaker 3: why should we have to do that. It's so weird.

800
00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:47,680
Speaker 1: Why can't we just be equal partnership. It's an interesting

801
00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:51,440
Speaker 1: thing to me. Is it interesting how hard these things die?

802
00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:55,120
Speaker 1: Like they just won't like they're ingrained, you know, I.

803
00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:56,120
Speaker 2: Know, and it doesn't matter.

804
00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:59,480
Speaker 4: It's also it's across generations, and sometimes you'll meet someone

805
00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:02,240
Speaker 4: who you think is so or thinking progressive, they really

806
00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:04,040
Speaker 4: get it, yeah, but then they'll still have these little

807
00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:07,040
Speaker 4: hang ups where you're just like, wow, that's just I

808
00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:08,240
Speaker 4: wasn't expecting.

809
00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:09,680
Speaker 3: That, right, And why can't they work on it?

810
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:12,200
Speaker 2: What do you mean that's just never going to happen.

811
00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:15,360
Speaker 4: I would love to find someone who's working on it,

812
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:16,560
Speaker 4: because I'm working on it.

813
00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:19,080
Speaker 3: I know, because we're all working on it, right and

814
00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:20,120
Speaker 3: we're trying, I know.

815
00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:22,680
Speaker 1: But yet you're also supposed to be, you know, have

816
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:24,840
Speaker 1: a great career and be doing all these things on yourself,

817
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:27,200
Speaker 1: and you know, blah blah ah, it's very hard.

818
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:37,880
Speaker 5: All right.

819
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:39,320
Speaker 3: Is there anything else that we should say?

820
00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:39,400
Speaker 4: Oh?

821
00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:40,960
Speaker 3: Wait, this is the name.

822
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:44,680
Speaker 1: I love the name of the shoot of the show

823
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:47,680
Speaker 1: that Charlotte is doing at the gallery, Drag Kings and

824
00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:51,000
Speaker 1: the Collision of Illusion and Reality. I love it, and

825
00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:54,040
Speaker 1: I literally think that that gallery is the same gallery

826
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:55,720
Speaker 1: we film in, and then just like.

827
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:58,720
Speaker 2: Oh my god, it's still that well, that's amazing still.

828
00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:00,880
Speaker 1: There, I know, thank god because oh the galleries are

829
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:03,760
Speaker 1: relatively unchanged. Yeah, you know, thank god, thank god, thank

830
00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:06,440
Speaker 1: god they did not turn them into a store or whatever.

831
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:08,080
Speaker 3: Do you know what I mean? You know what I

832
00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:08,880
Speaker 3: mean because you live there.

833
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:09,560
Speaker 2: Yeah.

834
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:12,239
Speaker 1: And then I mean, I think Donovan is so adorable

835
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:16,439
Speaker 1: and good and like interesting and the whole Bigger Stock thing.

836
00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:18,560
Speaker 1: I'm just kind of amazed in a way that we

837
00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:21,799
Speaker 1: did it, you know, and that that was like the

838
00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:24,920
Speaker 1: for play for the artists.

839
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:27,880
Speaker 4: It's good writing too, and that's what's so fun, I

840
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:29,799
Speaker 4: think as an actor, and I've talked about this, because

841
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:32,080
Speaker 4: we do panels. We'll do screenings of over Compensating and

842
00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:33,560
Speaker 4: then a panel and they ask questions and it's like

843
00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:36,240
Speaker 4: it's such a gift as an actor to be given

844
00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:39,160
Speaker 4: these complex characters to work within, and then it's like

845
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:42,080
Speaker 4: it's thoughtful writing where you're like, this is fun to

846
00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:44,480
Speaker 4: be and it's fun to do it a few times,

847
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:46,799
Speaker 4: you know, as as you imagine it, and then the

848
00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:50,080
Speaker 4: director gives you discussion and it's like, yes, there's just

849
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:51,600
Speaker 4: so much fun to be.

850
00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:53,920
Speaker 1: Had, I agree, so much fun to be had. Now

851
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:56,480
Speaker 1: when you looked at the when you rewatch knowing that

852
00:34:56,520 --> 00:34:58,000
Speaker 1: we were going to talk and you see the four

853
00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:01,279
Speaker 1: of us talking about the bisexuality the coffee shop, did

854
00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:05,560
Speaker 1: you feel like we were very, very old school or

855
00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:07,520
Speaker 1: did you feel like no, that I understand why they

856
00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:08,239
Speaker 1: would be like that.

857
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:11,480
Speaker 4: I think when I rewatched the show and almost every

858
00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:14,839
Speaker 4: topic you are talking about, I go, I understand why

859
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:17,160
Speaker 4: they had that approach to it in the nineties or

860
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:19,920
Speaker 4: early two thousands. It's like, it's about what you know,

861
00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:22,000
Speaker 4: the media, you were exposed to, the people you were

862
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:24,799
Speaker 4: exposed to, how outwardly people of their lives. It's like,

863
00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:27,560
Speaker 4: there are so many storylines that I think, even though

864
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:29,480
Speaker 4: if it wasn't handled the exact way that you would

865
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:32,120
Speaker 4: handle it today, it's still put these stories in front

866
00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:34,680
Speaker 4: of a huge amount of people right that then say, oh, well,

867
00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:36,279
Speaker 4: I saw a Sex and the City episode about that

868
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:38,920
Speaker 4: where you know, Samantha moves to the meatpacking district and

869
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:41,759
Speaker 4: we're not saying everyone's represented perfectly because they're not, and

870
00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:44,120
Speaker 4: that would be impossible to have that expectation. Yeah, we're

871
00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:46,680
Speaker 4: going to get there, But I think it's I just

872
00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:49,919
Speaker 4: think it's great to even have the conversation. And maybe

873
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:51,640
Speaker 4: people watch it and they go, well, you couldn't say

874
00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:53,239
Speaker 4: that today, and it's like, well, yeah, oh, they weren't

875
00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:54,839
Speaker 4: saying it today. You were saying it when the show

876
00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:55,239
Speaker 4: was made.

877
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:56,839
Speaker 3: It's true for sure, for sure, for sure.

878
00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:59,560
Speaker 1: And we didn't even have the knowledge obviously, you can't

879
00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:02,000
Speaker 1: know where you're going to go. Like, uh, Samantha in

880
00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:05,000
Speaker 1: that scene, the coffee shop scene, says that she's try sexual,

881
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:07,680
Speaker 1: she'll try anything, which is cute, and I love that.

882
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:09,680
Speaker 1: I know it's really cute. I mean, we wouldn't we

883
00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:11,479
Speaker 1: would say polyamorous now or whatever.

884
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:11,840
Speaker 3: I don't know.

885
00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:16,680
Speaker 1: I like that scene because I do feel also at

886
00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:18,880
Speaker 1: the time we're being very true to each character.

887
00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:20,200
Speaker 2: Absolutely, yeah.

888
00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:22,800
Speaker 4: And that's what's so expertly done with the show, is

889
00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:25,880
Speaker 4: like just and and I think the diner scenes are

890
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:29,200
Speaker 4: always my favorite, the brunch scenes really yeah, they're just

891
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:33,160
Speaker 4: like it's just girls chatting and there they feel safe

892
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:35,719
Speaker 4: because they know each other so well. They can say

893
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:37,600
Speaker 4: things that piss each other off, things that they wouldn't

894
00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:40,080
Speaker 4: say in front of other people. They are so real

895
00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:42,560
Speaker 4: with each other, and those are the relationships that I

896
00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:44,719
Speaker 4: have in my life that I just value so much

897
00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:47,040
Speaker 4: because I go, I could say something that I wouldn't

898
00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:49,960
Speaker 4: post online, but I feel safe because I'm with my

899
00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:50,520
Speaker 4: best friends.

900
00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:53,040
Speaker 1: Of course, of course, I mean when I do watch them,

901
00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:55,440
Speaker 1: they're so hard to film and we would always be like,

902
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:57,360
Speaker 1: oh God, the coffee shop's coming, and we had to

903
00:36:57,360 --> 00:36:59,600
Speaker 1: have like every line like quick quick, quickly, quickly, and

904
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:01,640
Speaker 1: we had to film it from every direction they got,

905
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:03,239
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, and it would be like

906
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:05,680
Speaker 1: all day, all day other day. But when I watched

907
00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:09,440
Speaker 1: them back, what I love is all of the behavior,

908
00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:13,239
Speaker 1: Like there's so much interesting interaction between the four of us.

909
00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:15,280
Speaker 2: Oh, it's like it's like micro movements.

910
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:19,480
Speaker 4: Yes, it's like also it's it's really And as an actor,

911
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:21,560
Speaker 4: I think sometimes we don't even know that we're doing

912
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:23,759
Speaker 4: it when we're in the character, but then the editor

913
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:25,799
Speaker 4: picks up on it and you go, wow, that's suck.

914
00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:28,799
Speaker 4: It is that scene when she's describing a pear shaped

915
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:31,319
Speaker 4: ring and also then Miranda has to admit that she

916
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:33,640
Speaker 4: helped him pick it out, and it's just so good.

917
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:37,919
Speaker 1: It is something funny I remember about that at the time.

918
00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:40,520
Speaker 1: You know, this was pretty much the height of the

919
00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:43,400
Speaker 1: show in a lot of ways, and things started showing

920
00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:46,400
Speaker 1: up kind of in like pop culture that we were like, what.

921
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:49,319
Speaker 1: And Gwyneth Paltrow was on the cover of Vogue or

922
00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:52,719
Speaker 1: something and she talks about that episode in there, and

923
00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:55,760
Speaker 1: we were like, you know what, I was talking about

924
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:58,120
Speaker 1: the ring because she was like, I so relate to,

925
00:37:58,520 --> 00:37:59,879
Speaker 1: you know, someone having them wrong.

926
00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:02,239
Speaker 2: What I'm wearing. It speaks for. It was good.

927
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:02,799
Speaker 5: It was good.

928
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:03,680
Speaker 2: It was really so good.

929
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:06,080
Speaker 3: All right, So wait, I have something to say.

930
00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:06,600
Speaker 2: Eddie K.

931
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:09,239
Speaker 3: Hill. This was his first ever on screen role.

932
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:11,720
Speaker 2: Wow, the bisexual. Yeah.

933
00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:14,120
Speaker 4: I liked also how they wrote him as just like

934
00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:15,440
Speaker 4: an everyday guy I know.

935
00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:17,120
Speaker 3: And I love how he's dressed.

936
00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:20,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, and they're ice skating, which I had also no

937
00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:23,319
Speaker 1: memory of, Like she's ice skating with a cigarette in

938
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:26,279
Speaker 1: her hand, with her natural curly hair.

939
00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:28,640
Speaker 3: I loved it, loved it so much.

940
00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:31,600
Speaker 1: And I don't really remember it at all at all

941
00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:34,319
Speaker 1: at all. Oh, apparently Sara Jesska just talked about this

942
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:38,280
Speaker 1: episode with Howard Strn about kissing Alanis Morset. She doesn't

943
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:41,040
Speaker 1: remember the scene because she'sn't like watching herself on TV.

944
00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:42,239
Speaker 2: This is oh my gosh.

945
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:44,000
Speaker 3: Then she said it was a big deal. I do

946
00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:44,560
Speaker 3: remember that.

947
00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:47,200
Speaker 1: I don't remember a lot, but I remember that for

948
00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:49,680
Speaker 1: a variety of reasons. I remember where we shot at

949
00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:51,960
Speaker 1: me too. I remember that I was wearing what I

950
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:54,640
Speaker 1: was wearing. Most importantly and least surprisingly, it was just

951
00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:56,359
Speaker 1: a huge deal that she agreed to do the show.

952
00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:58,120
Speaker 3: Yes, and I do recall kissing her.

953
00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:03,080
Speaker 1: It was very pleasant, It was very professional. We were

954
00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:09,680
Speaker 1: both treated, we both treating it as a contractual obligation.

955
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:13,960
Speaker 1: Sarah makes me laugh and act exactly.

956
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:15,040
Speaker 2: It was very nice.

957
00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:18,520
Speaker 1: I don't actually recall feeling uncomfortable. I don't recall feeling

958
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:20,960
Speaker 1: embarrassed or self conscious. She was lovely and she was

959
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:24,279
Speaker 1: all in. I have no feelings other than that than

960
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:25,640
Speaker 1: easy and buoyant.

961
00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:28,000
Speaker 2: Okay, that's nice.

962
00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:30,799
Speaker 3: I'm so glad that's not what I remember, but I

963
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:31,200
Speaker 3: like it.

964
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:31,680
Speaker 2: Okay.

965
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:34,720
Speaker 1: Alanis Morris said on her kiss with Sir Jessica Parker,

966
00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:37,080
Speaker 1: what I remember is nerves. I just should be clear,

967
00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:39,600
Speaker 1: I'm not remembering anything negative at German nerves because it

968
00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:40,279
Speaker 1: was like not.

969
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:44,320
Speaker 3: Something that everyone involved would be normally doing. Sarah.

970
00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:44,759
Speaker 2: Okay, wait.

971
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:48,200
Speaker 1: Alanis said this to the Advocate. Her character was meant

972
00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:51,480
Speaker 1: to be reticent. So the kiss itself has got this

973
00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:54,800
Speaker 1: push pull, uncomfortable energy to it. But can you imagine

974
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:57,839
Speaker 1: Carrie being in New York and not having questioned her sexuality?

975
00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:02,480
Speaker 1: Good point, alanis I love it? I love it. It's

976
00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:04,440
Speaker 1: a good point because it was written very clearly that

977
00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:06,399
Speaker 1: she is about to get up and walk away right,

978
00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:09,000
Speaker 1: not for me, It's just me, which I also think

979
00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:10,839
Speaker 1: is so important to know, do you know what I mean?

980
00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:14,120
Speaker 3: Oh, and she does have the very very large carry brooch.

981
00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:16,080
Speaker 1: I don't think it's the first time she's worn it though,

982
00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:17,960
Speaker 1: I think I already had seen, but it was smaller.

983
00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:19,480
Speaker 3: This is when we go into like this. This was

984
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:22,960
Speaker 3: the big flower. Yeah with the boots. Yeah, oh wow.

985
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:25,160
Speaker 1: I'm that dress I'm wearing is theory, so we still

986
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:27,360
Speaker 1: don't have our budget no offense theory.

987
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:30,840
Speaker 3: And apparently this is one of my most memorable looks.

988
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:33,319
Speaker 3: Who knew? I never know?

989
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:34,120
Speaker 2: Most memorable.

990
00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:37,000
Speaker 3: People respond to a lot of things that are interesting.

991
00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:37,319
Speaker 2: Yeah.

992
00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:40,200
Speaker 4: Well, I think people really cling on to different stuff,

993
00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:43,160
Speaker 4: and it is depending on where they are in their.

994
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:45,560
Speaker 1: Lives, of course, where they are in their lives, and

995
00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:47,719
Speaker 1: also like the current style like now, like all the

996
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:50,799
Speaker 1: nineties two thousand stuff is like these are my very

997
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:53,319
Speaker 1: vintage product two thousands.

998
00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:55,880
Speaker 2: Whoa, I just got into your door. Do your T

999
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:57,640
Speaker 2: shirt yesterday? Tank top?

1000
00:40:57,680 --> 00:41:00,799
Speaker 4: At the real real I've been on the Hunt's from

1001
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:01,600
Speaker 4: two thousand and three.

1002
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:03,240
Speaker 3: You should well that's the time.

1003
00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:06,880
Speaker 4: It's fabulous, that's the time. Yeah, it's it's everything to me.

1004
00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:08,239
Speaker 4: Good purchase.

1005
00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:11,040
Speaker 2: They call it a grail. Yeah, and those are a

1006
00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:11,800
Speaker 2: grail for sure.

1007
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:14,839
Speaker 4: Well, thank you, got a cargos, hang on to those,

1008
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:16,360
Speaker 4: put those in the safe.

1009
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:19,800
Speaker 3: At home, I have a large closet that's a mess.

1010
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:21,719
Speaker 2: Yes, hopefully it has a lot on it.

1011
00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:24,040
Speaker 3: It doesn't, but the house does.

1012
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:26,800
Speaker 2: Okay, good, so it's safe. It's safe.

1013
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:29,120
Speaker 1: But okay, wait wait, I feel like there's so many

1014
00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:30,680
Speaker 1: things that it might not have covered with you. Sometimes

1015
00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:32,200
Speaker 1: when I have to do the rewatch part, I'm like,

1016
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:32,960
Speaker 1: it throws me off.

1017
00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:35,359
Speaker 4: Well, you can always have me back, and if there

1018
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:38,359
Speaker 4: was an episode, maybe it's too soon, though, I think

1019
00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:42,640
Speaker 4: whoever gets to talk about Matthew McConaughey, that is one

1020
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:46,839
Speaker 4: lucky guest, because what a wonderful performance.

1021
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:50,520
Speaker 1: Totally that was off book. He got to AdLib, which

1022
00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:53,880
Speaker 1: was unheard of. But no one could stop him. I

1023
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:56,920
Speaker 1: remember also getting texted that day, and I can't remember

1024
00:41:56,960 --> 00:41:58,799
Speaker 1: if I actually went, I would get text from Sarah.

1025
00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:01,760
Speaker 1: We had our original BlackBerry, the tiny ones. She worked

1026
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:03,879
Speaker 1: on her little belt. Though there are all these cute

1027
00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:06,080
Speaker 1: paparazzi pictures of her. She got it first.

1028
00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:07,279
Speaker 3: She talked me into getting it.

1029
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:09,480
Speaker 1: We talked all day, even if we were together on

1030
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:13,479
Speaker 1: the set Journeyman. Of course, of course that day because

1031
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:15,120
Speaker 1: we were in La, where I had a house by

1032
00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:18,440
Speaker 1: that point, and McConaughey like jumping on the table not

1033
00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:21,279
Speaker 1: in the script, jury mean, and she was like, he's

1034
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:24,080
Speaker 1: at Limang, what do I do? Because Michael Patrick was

1035
00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:25,200
Speaker 1: kind of against outliving.

1036
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:25,680
Speaker 4: Oh my god.

1037
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:28,560
Speaker 1: Then Spawn ad lived. But then Spawn had John Favreau

1038
00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:30,440
Speaker 1: come and they were like writing.

1039
00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:33,360
Speaker 3: At the chair. Okay, interesting, whereas McConaughey, you just didn't know.

1040
00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:35,520
Speaker 2: What was that Such a fun stretch of episode.

1041
00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:37,319
Speaker 1: I know, I know, I know, I was happy because

1042
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:40,080
Speaker 1: we were here. But also I do remember at one

1043
00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:43,759
Speaker 1: point I don't remember this scene, but because I had

1044
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:46,840
Speaker 1: my house, they I was with them all because it

1045
00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:48,960
Speaker 1: Charlotte comes late to La, right, so I was with

1046
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:50,719
Speaker 1: them all. And then they were like, okay, go home, Christen,

1047
00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:52,120
Speaker 1: because we're not going to get back to that group

1048
00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:54,239
Speaker 1: scene until I don't know what time I went home.

1049
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:56,920
Speaker 1: I went to sleep. They called me. I got back

1050
00:42:57,000 --> 00:42:59,040
Speaker 1: up at like three am. I drove back to the

1051
00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:00,239
Speaker 1: set in West Hollywood.

1052
00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:02,520
Speaker 3: I mean that, no, no joke, my Beth.

1053
00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:04,680
Speaker 1: I mean we worked till the sun came up all

1054
00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:08,600
Speaker 1: every day time, Like it's amazing that we are all

1055
00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:10,040
Speaker 1: functioning and friends.

1056
00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:14,880
Speaker 2: Sometimes tensions can be high in those situations. Yes, yes,

1057
00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:15,920
Speaker 2: lack of sleep.

1058
00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:18,359
Speaker 3: I mean that was all we did.

1059
00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:20,160
Speaker 1: So I think that was how we got to know

1060
00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:23,239
Speaker 1: each other so intimately, you know what I'm saying, Like

1061
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:26,200
Speaker 1: we went through it all, but it was also our mission,

1062
00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:27,920
Speaker 1: like you know when you have like how I'm sure

1063
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:32,279
Speaker 1: how you guys feel about overcompensating, Like it's it's your baby, yeah, dream, I.

1064
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:34,960
Speaker 2: Just want to make it as good as.

1065
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:35,240
Speaker 3: That's all that matters.

1066
00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:36,000
Speaker 2: I know.

1067
00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:39,560
Speaker 3: Okay, we did talk about are you a Charlotte?

1068
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:42,480
Speaker 1: So how often would you say you feel like, yes,

1069
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:43,839
Speaker 1: I'm a Charlotte all the time?

1070
00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:45,759
Speaker 2: A few times the.

1071
00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:46,880
Speaker 3: Hopeful part is present.

1072
00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:50,399
Speaker 4: Oh it's like I really every time I get really

1073
00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:52,640
Speaker 4: badly hurt, I think I can't do that again. I

1074
00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:55,040
Speaker 4: just need to protect myself more. But I also think

1075
00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:59,279
Speaker 4: there's a healthy approach of like I do just want

1076
00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:01,480
Speaker 4: to put my heart on line because I think even

1077
00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:04,200
Speaker 4: if it's not handled with care, at least I'm showing

1078
00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:06,919
Speaker 4: that person that, like, yeah, we're still out here, and

1079
00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:09,080
Speaker 4: I love being sweet to people. I love going out

1080
00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:11,040
Speaker 4: of my way acts of service, things like that, and

1081
00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:13,000
Speaker 4: I'm like, at some point I'm going to meet the

1082
00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:15,080
Speaker 4: right person who loves that about me.

1083
00:44:15,239 --> 00:44:16,600
Speaker 2: And they're gonna celebrate it.

1084
00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:20,040
Speaker 4: And and I think for me watching Charlotte navigate all

1085
00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:22,879
Speaker 4: of those relationships and all of the ones that don't

1086
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:25,520
Speaker 4: end the way that she wants them to, it's like, Yeah,

1087
00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:28,560
Speaker 4: we go through a lot as women who have hope,

1088
00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:30,920
Speaker 4: and I'm never going to let that go. I just

1089
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:33,080
Speaker 4: have to really embrace that side in me and go, well,

1090
00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:35,120
Speaker 4: I'm setting an example for you. Even if the stales

1091
00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:37,279
Speaker 4: intends to you or whoever's on the receiving end of it,

1092
00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:38,719
Speaker 4: I'm like, this is who I am. So this is

1093
00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:40,279
Speaker 4: too intense that we definite shouldn't be together.

1094
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:41,680
Speaker 2: Yes, w yes.

1095
00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:44,479
Speaker 1: And also I think it's it's going to help them

1096
00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:46,880
Speaker 1: whether they're meant for you or not meant for you.

1097
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:48,600
Speaker 1: I think it's it's good to be open. I think

1098
00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:51,759
Speaker 1: it's super important. And I love for design aesthetic as well.

1099
00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:53,879
Speaker 1: You do the apartment, Yeah, I think, oh my god,

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Speaker 1: I saw your bedroom. I was like, wow, old fashioned fashioned,

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Speaker 1: so surprised.

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Speaker 4: I love like I have a lot of furniture that

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Speaker 4: I've taken from my parents' house. I had my grandma's desk.

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Speaker 4: I just love that, Like it feels very cozy to me.

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Speaker 4: And that's how my parents' house is decorated. So I'm

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Speaker 4: very old fashioned in that respect.

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Speaker 1: I think that's so great because when you if you

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Speaker 1: just saw your comedy, you wouldn't realize.

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Speaker 4: No, And I'm like dark wood and that's very Charlotte

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Speaker 4: wall paper and I have a bed skirt, And then

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Speaker 4: everyone can say that, yeah, I saw no, but Charlotte

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Speaker 4: would have all of those things.

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Speaker 1: I do have a lot of those things, not the

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Speaker 1: dark wood. Not the dark wood, because my house I

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Speaker 1: grew up in had so much dark wood. Sometimes I've

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Speaker 1: just felt like it was just bowing much.

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Speaker 3: Yeah you know what I mean. But thank you so

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Speaker 3: much for being here.

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Speaker 2: My absolute pleasure. Thank you for having me,