WEBVTT - SYSK Selects: How Ghosts Work 0:00:00.800 --> 0:00:06.120 Hey, everybody, it's your old pal Josh Ghoulish Clark. And 0:00:06.200 --> 0:00:09.200 for this week's special Halloween edition of s Y s 0:00:09.240 --> 0:00:13.560 K Selects, I've chosen our classic episode How Ghosts Work, 0:00:13.920 --> 0:00:17.720 which it turns out we recorded in July weirdly enough, 0:00:18.079 --> 0:00:21.200 but it seems appropriate to release this Saturday. So I 0:00:21.280 --> 0:00:30.680 hope you endured and boo. Welcome to Stuff you Should Know, 0:00:30.880 --> 0:00:39.200 a production of My Heart Radios How Stuff Works. Hey, 0:00:39.240 --> 0:00:41.920 and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark, There's Charles 0:00:42.000 --> 0:00:44.159 debe Chuck Bryant, and this is Stuff you should Know. 0:00:44.520 --> 0:00:50.080 Jerry's over there twiddling and fuxing around Halloween and Julie right, 0:00:50.560 --> 0:00:52.880 remember when we had the Horror fiction contest last year, 0:00:52.960 --> 0:00:56.320 Actually this may be July. Um yeah, yeah, yeah, and 0:00:56.360 --> 0:00:59.480 we I think that the deadline for submissions was in July. 0:01:00.120 --> 0:01:02.160 Was weird to be in that kind of Halloween mindset 0:01:02.200 --> 0:01:04.200 while it was hot out, but yeah, and I'm sure 0:01:04.240 --> 0:01:07.360 it was weird to ask the authors, or not to ask, 0:01:07.400 --> 0:01:10.920 but to have them get in that mindset to write 0:01:10.959 --> 0:01:14.480 something creepy. We definitely didn't command. You talked me out 0:01:14.480 --> 0:01:16.800 of that. Yeah, that was a good contest, also known 0:01:16.840 --> 0:01:19.800 as the contest that shall never happen again. Well, we 0:01:19.880 --> 0:01:21.560 also ended up with the one that we're going to 0:01:21.600 --> 0:01:24.720 read this year, right, I think, yeah, yeah, it's a 0:01:24.760 --> 0:01:27.360 good one. It is a good one. Uh, you guys 0:01:27.400 --> 0:01:29.399 will have to see in a few months what we're 0:01:29.400 --> 0:01:33.640 talking about is right, so chuck. Um, I myself have 0:01:33.800 --> 0:01:37.760 never officially seen a ghost, but I understand you have 0:01:37.800 --> 0:01:40.600 a ghost story. I do. I remarked about it and 0:01:40.600 --> 0:01:42.080 I said, oh, I'm gonna wait till we do our 0:01:42.080 --> 0:01:44.800 ghost podcast. Well here we are, pal is this it? 0:01:44.800 --> 0:01:47.360 Should I go? Now? Yeah? Okay, I'm not saying this 0:01:47.400 --> 0:01:49.640 was a ghost. What I'm saying is one night I 0:01:49.680 --> 0:01:57.280 saw something very very very strange that I cannot explain. Okay, okay, 0:01:57.320 --> 0:01:58.880 are you ready? Yeah? I feel like she could have 0:01:58.960 --> 0:02:02.640 music or something. Year that could probably be done. Um 0:02:02.720 --> 0:02:06.520 so Athens Georgia College, I would say, I don't remember 0:02:06.600 --> 0:02:11.680 the exact year, but it was probably is. Um my 0:02:11.760 --> 0:02:15.160 best friend and I, Brett, had had gone out and um, 0:02:15.280 --> 0:02:19.240 we're going back home, uh and driving through five points 0:02:19.440 --> 0:02:23.680 you know the area. So we're coming from like let's 0:02:23.680 --> 0:02:26.920 say the direction of campus, and you know there's a 0:02:26.960 --> 0:02:29.040 cut through if you take a certain road and five 0:02:29.080 --> 0:02:31.840 points that cuts you over to Alps Road, and people 0:02:31.880 --> 0:02:33.840 are gonna be like, what is he talking about? I know, 0:02:34.160 --> 0:02:36.640 I just I'm talking to you here. Uh. And so 0:02:36.680 --> 0:02:39.760 there's this one area where you go around a road 0:02:39.800 --> 0:02:43.840 curves ninety degrees and then about i'd say two hundred 0:02:43.919 --> 0:02:46.120 feet after that there's a four way stop sign. It's 0:02:46.200 --> 0:02:48.920 very NEIGHBORHOODI area. I think that's like where Ray Golf 0:02:49.040 --> 0:02:51.919 used to live. He Vince Duley lives over there. That 0:02:51.960 --> 0:02:54.960 might be what you're thinking. So we go around this 0:02:55.040 --> 0:02:57.400 ninety degree curve and I'm looking, you know, I'm filling 0:02:57.400 --> 0:02:59.720 with the radio or something, and my buddy Brett starts, 0:03:00.040 --> 0:03:03.320 uh like kind of joke, screaming like, oh what is that? 0:03:03.600 --> 0:03:06.760 But getting around and I look up and in the 0:03:06.800 --> 0:03:09.520 middle of the intersection and I swear, people, I'm not 0:03:09.600 --> 0:03:12.639 making this up and I did not hallucinate it. This 0:03:12.680 --> 0:03:15.960 is God's honest truth. There was a what looked like 0:03:16.040 --> 0:03:20.880 a hundred year old woman wearing a black robe with 0:03:20.919 --> 0:03:25.360 a purple sash dagonal across her chest, and she was 0:03:25.400 --> 0:03:28.440 standing in the middle of the intersection holding a bible 0:03:29.639 --> 0:03:33.440 like this kind of on her placed on her fingertips 0:03:33.440 --> 0:03:35.400 as you would hold like like a waiter would hold 0:03:35.400 --> 0:03:39.840 a platter about chess level, and she was sort of 0:03:39.840 --> 0:03:42.720 looking in the other direction with kind of a vacant 0:03:42.720 --> 0:03:44.400 look on her face like you have now or is 0:03:44.400 --> 0:03:47.680 it just she was completely vacant, completely still didn't move 0:03:47.720 --> 0:03:51.160 an inch and wasn't like an hazy apparition, I mean, 0:03:51.560 --> 0:03:55.400 was solid and looked real, real, real, dude. It was 0:03:55.480 --> 0:03:58.480 so freaky. We pull right up on her to you know, 0:03:58.720 --> 0:04:02.760 take that left, and we're both kind of jokes screaming, 0:04:02.800 --> 0:04:04.720 but then as we get closer, we're like, you know, 0:04:04.800 --> 0:04:09.080 what's going on here? But it all happened in like, oh, 0:04:09.360 --> 0:04:12.320 fifteen seconds, so it wasn't a lot of time to register, 0:04:12.520 --> 0:04:14.160 you know what is this. We were just sort of 0:04:14.200 --> 0:04:17.360 getting around and we pull right by her and take 0:04:17.360 --> 0:04:19.400 a left, like you know, if this is her. We 0:04:19.480 --> 0:04:23.000 pull within feet of her, and she's on my side 0:04:23.040 --> 0:04:24.919 at this point because we're turning right by her. She 0:04:24.960 --> 0:04:27.960 doesn't blink, doesn't move a muscle, and we were going 0:04:28.000 --> 0:04:32.640 probably fifteen minur in this curve. He starts like he 0:04:32.680 --> 0:04:34.840 can't drive his stick shift anymore because he's freaking out. 0:04:34.920 --> 0:04:37.720 The cars like jerking and sputtering. He pulls over probably 0:04:37.720 --> 0:04:39.839 fifty ft later. We both turned around out the back 0:04:39.839 --> 0:04:45.800 window and there's nothing there. I'm getting looked chill bumps. Uh, 0:04:45.839 --> 0:04:48.279 And to this day, I have no idea what the 0:04:48.279 --> 0:04:52.919 heck it was. And it was either a crazy, crazy 0:04:52.960 --> 0:04:55.720 old woman who is really fast, which is really creepy 0:04:55.760 --> 0:05:01.159 and really fast, or the most believable Madam Tusso's wax 0:05:01.240 --> 0:05:03.520 dummy I've ever seen. It was also really fast that 0:05:03.640 --> 0:05:05.640 someone ran and set out there and we didn't see it, 0:05:05.640 --> 0:05:08.000 and then ran and took it away. I'm not offering 0:05:08.000 --> 0:05:10.320 any explanation, not saying it was a ghost, but I 0:05:10.400 --> 0:05:14.160 have no recollect or explanation for what it could have been. 0:05:14.200 --> 0:05:16.719 And it was the creepiest, weirdest thing I've ever seen. 0:05:16.760 --> 0:05:19.360 And we both described it to each other immediately, like 0:05:19.920 --> 0:05:22.719 what did you see? What did you see? Had gold leafing? 0:05:22.880 --> 0:05:24.600 I mean, I can't say it was a Bible because 0:05:24.640 --> 0:05:26.800 I didn't see the cover, but it, you know, had 0:05:26.800 --> 0:05:28.560 that gold leafing around it looked like a bible. So 0:05:28.640 --> 0:05:32.200 you both saw the same thing, exact same thing. Purple sash, 0:05:32.279 --> 0:05:36.720 black robe, silver hair. That is one of the pernicious 0:05:36.800 --> 0:05:40.479 qualities of a ghost sighting is that frequently people will 0:05:40.520 --> 0:05:42.520 see the same thing. Two different people will see the 0:05:42.560 --> 0:05:45.560 same thing, which lends a tremendous amount of credence to 0:05:45.640 --> 0:05:48.240 something because if one person just sees it, well it's 0:05:48.240 --> 0:05:52.400 a hallucination. Exactly. You were clearly on something, we were not. 0:05:53.040 --> 0:05:56.120 But that's what somebody could say. Both of you saw it. 0:05:56.320 --> 0:05:59.440 Even if you both were on something, right, that doesn't 0:05:59.440 --> 0:06:02.080 mean you're gonna see the exact same thing. Yeah, and 0:06:02.279 --> 0:06:05.120 I wasn't like some big ghost guy. I'd never have 0:06:05.320 --> 0:06:07.440 had looked for them or say, oh I believe in ghosts. 0:06:07.440 --> 0:06:09.600 It would just out of nowhere of boom, there it 0:06:09.680 --> 0:06:12.400 happened right exactly. Um. You can also go a little 0:06:12.400 --> 0:06:14.760 further if you're a skeptic and say, well, I mean 0:06:15.320 --> 0:06:18.800 Chuck and Brett Brett just kind of we're playing off 0:06:18.800 --> 0:06:23.040 one another description and they came to some unconsciously came 0:06:23.080 --> 0:06:26.440 to an agreement of this. You guys compiled the story 0:06:26.480 --> 0:06:30.560 and you saw the same thing that. However you approach 0:06:30.640 --> 0:06:34.960 that probably depends on whether you're part of the or 0:06:35.000 --> 0:06:38.160 the forty percent of Americans who don't believe in ghosts 0:06:38.200 --> 0:06:40.160 or who do believe in ghosts. According to a two 0:06:40.200 --> 0:06:42.880 thousand nine CBS News poll. I had never given it 0:06:43.000 --> 0:06:46.040 much thought, but after that I was I was definitely like, well, 0:06:46.160 --> 0:06:48.440 if that was a ghost and I just saw one, Yeah, 0:06:48.520 --> 0:06:51.320 And I researched a little bit, but this was long 0:06:51.360 --> 0:06:54.360 ago before the internets was born, and so I couldn't 0:06:54.400 --> 0:06:56.880 find anything. And even looked yesterday just to see if 0:06:56.880 --> 0:06:59.279 I could find out anything, if there was some sightings 0:06:59.360 --> 0:07:01.560 or some old lady have been killed or anything, and nothing. 0:07:01.800 --> 0:07:03.960 Now I couldn't find anything. So that was just your 0:07:03.960 --> 0:07:08.000 own personal ghost. Maybe we're just some creepy old woman 0:07:08.080 --> 0:07:11.679 who was still in not blinking as a car barrel 0:07:11.720 --> 0:07:16.120 towards her. Either way, that is very unsettling either way. Um, 0:07:16.160 --> 0:07:17.800 And that's a pretty good ghost story. It was a 0:07:17.840 --> 0:07:20.040 good one. It was not a mask, you know, I 0:07:20.040 --> 0:07:22.520 can say that for sure. Like we pulled up within 0:07:22.600 --> 0:07:25.120 feet of her, Like I looked in her face and 0:07:25.120 --> 0:07:27.480 she and she didn't move a mustle, didn't move a muscle. Man. 0:07:27.480 --> 0:07:29.640 That's scary. It was the scariest thing that's ever happened 0:07:29.640 --> 0:07:31.760 to me. And we told that story many many times 0:07:31.760 --> 0:07:34.360 over the years, and everyone's always like, really, and I 0:07:34.360 --> 0:07:36.600 always say, I swear, why would I make this up? 0:07:37.280 --> 0:07:39.800 So that's my ghost story. That's a good ghost story. 0:07:40.120 --> 0:07:44.520 You can reach us on Facebook, right, Yeah, it's time 0:07:44.560 --> 0:07:47.240 for message break. All right. Wait, wait, Jerry, it's not 0:07:47.320 --> 0:07:49.600 really time for message break. But she left pretty quick. 0:07:51.200 --> 0:07:55.080 So we're talking ghosts. And like I said, forty percent 0:07:55.280 --> 0:08:01.080 of Americans believe in ghosts, don't. Yeah, And I think 0:08:01.120 --> 0:08:04.360 a lot of people, especially after reading this, there's the 0:08:04.400 --> 0:08:08.920 whole you know, I really miss my deceased relative, and 0:08:09.800 --> 0:08:13.400 I go to seances and I think those things the 0:08:13.440 --> 0:08:16.040 mind can play tricks on you. But in my case, 0:08:16.080 --> 0:08:17.840 it was just like those are the ones where I'm like, 0:08:17.880 --> 0:08:21.280 what's going on here? You know, well, it's pretty much 0:08:21.280 --> 0:08:27.000 impossible to disprove something or to prove something doesn't exist, 0:08:28.320 --> 0:08:31.960 which is one reason why belief in ghosts continues on. 0:08:33.640 --> 0:08:36.920 But there's also a lot of um. There's also a 0:08:36.920 --> 0:08:41.640 lot of factors in ghosts that accumulated create this body 0:08:41.760 --> 0:08:46.520 of you know, ghost belief. What our ghost ghostly sightings, hauntings, appversions, 0:08:46.559 --> 0:08:49.280 all that stuff. Sure that um kind of over time 0:08:49.280 --> 0:08:50.959 have taken on a life of their own, or I 0:08:50.960 --> 0:08:53.600 should say, have been around for thousands and thousands of 0:08:53.679 --> 0:09:00.280 years um, and have not been dispelled by science. Um. 0:09:00.320 --> 0:09:02.160 So we're going to kind of approach this from like, 0:09:02.240 --> 0:09:05.560 you know, here's what people believe ghosts are, and here's 0:09:05.600 --> 0:09:10.520 some scientific explanations for it. But throughout this you'll notice 0:09:10.600 --> 0:09:13.400 that at no point are we ever going to say 0:09:13.480 --> 0:09:17.000 conclusively science has proven that ghost don't exist, because it 0:09:17.160 --> 0:09:20.160 kind of can't. That's not to say that people aren't 0:09:20.200 --> 0:09:23.439 using the scientific method to study ghosts, because some are, 0:09:23.640 --> 0:09:26.000 and my hat is off to these people most of all. Yeah, 0:09:26.400 --> 0:09:29.400 so let's hug cohosts man. All right, well I just 0:09:29.440 --> 0:09:34.240 described my encounter, which, like I said, wasn't hazy or weird. Um, well, 0:09:34.280 --> 0:09:36.880 it was weird. It wasn't like a hazy apparition. But 0:09:37.040 --> 0:09:40.480 many times as an apparition, um, sometimes it's lights, it 0:09:40.480 --> 0:09:44.320 seems to hit every sense. Sometimes it's a smell um, 0:09:44.320 --> 0:09:46.559 like Tracy pointed out in this article, like the smell 0:09:46.640 --> 0:09:50.440 of deceased relative's favorite meal being cooked in the other room, 0:09:51.000 --> 0:09:53.880 stuff like that. Or the smell of the deceased relative 0:09:55.600 --> 0:09:59.719 just smelled something like rotting. But it was just a 0:10:00.080 --> 0:10:02.920 roll in the wall, right exactly. It can be a song, 0:10:03.200 --> 0:10:07.280 can be flickering lights, can be uh, orbs in a picture. 0:10:07.320 --> 0:10:09.840 We'll talk about that, or a ghost in a picture. 0:10:09.920 --> 0:10:12.320 Like there's plenty of those. Hey, I got you got 0:10:12.440 --> 0:10:14.320 a Google. It's pretty fun to look at those. Yeah, 0:10:14.400 --> 0:10:17.199 and there's some that are like this one's not quite 0:10:17.320 --> 0:10:20.920 explained to my full satisfaction. Yeah, some of the If 0:10:20.920 --> 0:10:23.440 you look up famous ghost pictures, there's a handful that 0:10:23.520 --> 0:10:25.680 have made the rounds over the years that are pretty good. 0:10:25.800 --> 0:10:29.560 Like the Lady of Brown Hall, I believe is that 0:10:29.600 --> 0:10:31.760 the girl with a fire? No, that's a good one. 0:10:31.800 --> 0:10:34.240 That's a real good one. Um, there's a woman descending 0:10:34.240 --> 0:10:39.520 a staircase like a ghostly woman. Um. Freddie Jackson the 0:10:39.559 --> 0:10:45.200 World War two, World War One pilot killed or mechanic. 0:10:45.240 --> 0:10:47.600 I'm sorry he was killed, and then he showed up 0:10:47.640 --> 0:10:50.640 in a group photo two days later. Um. That one 0:10:50.720 --> 0:10:53.800 was explained as a double exposure, which I mean, just 0:10:53.840 --> 0:10:58.040 the coincidence behind it is in and of itself staggering 0:10:58.559 --> 0:11:00.880 if that is the explanation, and for of course it 0:11:00.920 --> 0:11:03.319 also could be a hoax. But it's a pretty good on. 0:11:03.400 --> 0:11:06.240 Freddy Jackson is my favorite one. I think my favorite 0:11:06.280 --> 0:11:08.200 is the Old West. Did you see that one? It's 0:11:08.240 --> 0:11:12.000 like boothill or something it was in I think, and 0:11:12.040 --> 0:11:15.080 this guy dressed up like a cowboy and you know, 0:11:15.160 --> 0:11:17.559 had his picture made but with his friend. And then 0:11:17.559 --> 0:11:20.520 in the back ground you see this guy. Yeah I 0:11:20.600 --> 0:11:25.160 did like kind of peeking up maybe behind a tombstone. Um, 0:11:25.520 --> 0:11:28.120 just in the brush. Yeah, And supposedly these things were 0:11:28.200 --> 0:11:32.679 verified by photo experts and stuff is having been untouched. 0:11:33.480 --> 0:11:37.640 So yeah, because photoshop is making it way easier to 0:11:37.640 --> 0:11:41.920 screw with photography, but it's also fairly easy to detect too. 0:11:41.960 --> 0:11:46.600 If you really dig into the individual pixels, you can say, well, 0:11:46.760 --> 0:11:50.000 this is obviously, and especially these old photos when they're 0:11:50.000 --> 0:11:53.240 examining negatives, it's not that those weren't photoshops, right, I mean, 0:11:53.240 --> 0:11:55.320 it could be light playing tricks. But when you see 0:11:55.360 --> 0:11:58.040 a girl standing by the rail of you know, with 0:11:58.080 --> 0:12:01.400 a fire behind her, that one is explained as the 0:12:01.440 --> 0:12:04.000 girl in the fire. Yeah, that was explained as a 0:12:05.160 --> 0:12:11.640 just a sheer chance mixture of smoke and light. And 0:12:11.679 --> 0:12:15.720 then our um programming, like us being hardwired to pick 0:12:15.800 --> 0:12:18.560 faces out of anything. I don't know, man, that looked 0:12:18.559 --> 0:12:22.360 pretty much like a girl to me. It definitely doesn't it. Yeah. Um, 0:12:22.520 --> 0:12:24.520 And then of course there's the funny things like the 0:12:24.559 --> 0:12:27.040 three minute a Baby Ghost, which was a cut out 0:12:27.040 --> 0:12:30.319 of Dead Dancing, or The Wizard of Oz, like Hanging Munchkin, 0:12:30.400 --> 0:12:33.560 which was although I have to say, since you bring 0:12:33.600 --> 0:12:35.920 it up, one of the greatest short you know, I 0:12:35.960 --> 0:12:38.560 love short horror fiction. Of course they're one of the 0:12:38.600 --> 0:12:41.120 greatest um ones I've ever read. Was called The Hanging 0:12:41.160 --> 0:12:45.000 Man of Oz. It's like, um it was. It's only 0:12:45.040 --> 0:12:47.839 just a few years old, but it's a good little 0:12:48.040 --> 0:12:52.600 short story. Yeah. Yeah, this guy who like gets kind 0:12:52.600 --> 0:12:55.640 of caught up in like looking for it. It's good, 0:12:56.320 --> 0:12:59.720 good horror fiction. Um. This doesn't have to do with 0:12:59.760 --> 0:13:02.600 go But supposedly there's a murder captured on Google Earth. 0:13:02.600 --> 0:13:05.320 Have you seen that making the rounds? No, it's an 0:13:05.320 --> 0:13:10.080 aerial shot obviously of a dock somewhere in Europe, I think, 0:13:10.360 --> 0:13:13.200 by the water, and it looks like a guy's like 0:13:13.280 --> 0:13:15.240 dragging a dead body in a big pool of blood 0:13:15.240 --> 0:13:18.880 toward the water. But they I think they've debunked that 0:13:19.000 --> 0:13:21.959 it was a dog who had shaken off and gotten 0:13:21.960 --> 0:13:24.840 the ground wet, and people verified later like, yeah, that 0:13:24.880 --> 0:13:27.280 was me and my dog, and yeah, I stop asking 0:13:27.400 --> 0:13:30.959 questions because my dog soone posted in on our Facebook wall. 0:13:31.080 --> 0:13:33.680 But I mean you bring up a that's that's a 0:13:33.720 --> 0:13:37.959 really good like you see what you want exactly. Um. 0:13:38.120 --> 0:13:40.760 But again we say, you can't really prove that ghost 0:13:40.760 --> 0:13:44.000 stone exists. So people are like, prove it doesn't prove anything, 0:13:44.520 --> 0:13:48.400 you know. Um, if you can prove that a photograph 0:13:48.440 --> 0:13:51.320 has been faked, then you've proven it's been faked. But 0:13:51.360 --> 0:13:52.720 you can't just look in and be like, oh, I'm 0:13:52.760 --> 0:14:24.560 sure it's a fake that doesn't muster. Yeah, so they 0:14:24.840 --> 0:14:28.320 we we've covered photos. They show up in photos. Well 0:14:28.320 --> 0:14:30.680 why are they here? I mean there's a lot of explanations, 0:14:30.760 --> 0:14:34.120 like they're delivering bad news or good news, right. Yeah. 0:14:34.200 --> 0:14:37.400 There's a lot of ghost stories where, um, the dead 0:14:37.440 --> 0:14:40.560 have suddenly appeared to a relative on the other side 0:14:40.600 --> 0:14:43.840 of the planet at the moment they died. Like the 0:14:43.880 --> 0:14:45.800 relative wakes up the next day to find out that 0:14:45.880 --> 0:14:49.480 the person died at nine a m. When they just 0:14:49.520 --> 0:14:51.680 saw them sitting in their room at that same time. 0:14:52.600 --> 0:14:55.880 So sometimes they're they're coming to say, hey, I love you, 0:14:56.440 --> 0:15:00.960 see you in fifteen years, um, or they're coming to 0:15:01.200 --> 0:15:04.760 say you're about to die. That's another that's the worst 0:15:04.800 --> 0:15:08.840 long standing legend. Yeah, or they're about to say like, um, 0:15:08.840 --> 0:15:14.200 it's it's a should sell your Yahoo stock now, that'd 0:15:14.240 --> 0:15:17.160 be a good ghost, right. Um. You know, there's a 0:15:17.240 --> 0:15:20.000 lot of stuff you can you can say that people 0:15:20.000 --> 0:15:24.160 have attributed to ghosts and why they're here. Um, there's 0:15:24.200 --> 0:15:29.360 also that horrible um experience as their last moments. Yeah, 0:15:29.440 --> 0:15:32.360 they they are at the point where they died too 0:15:32.400 --> 0:15:36.000 young or uh, maybe have just gone back to their 0:15:36.000 --> 0:15:40.360 favorite place in life. Um, earthbound spirits, I think is 0:15:40.400 --> 0:15:46.200 what paranormal investigators call those situations, like they're stuck here 0:15:46.360 --> 0:15:49.320 or it's like, you know, get off my train type 0:15:49.320 --> 0:15:53.400 of situation. They're guarding a place. Maybe there's not one, 0:15:53.480 --> 0:15:57.440 but two um ghost women at the Hotel del del 0:15:57.520 --> 0:16:00.720 Coronado in San Diego, very famous late night eighteenth century 0:16:00.720 --> 0:16:04.960 built hotel resort um and both of them took their 0:16:05.000 --> 0:16:08.120 own lives at the hotel when they found out they 0:16:08.120 --> 0:16:11.080 were pregnant at a wedlock or one was married but 0:16:11.120 --> 0:16:13.560 her husband and left her and so they're in two 0:16:13.600 --> 0:16:18.120 different rooms still. But that's an example of a ghost 0:16:18.200 --> 0:16:20.640 being tied to a place. Yeah. And um, we have 0:16:20.680 --> 0:16:23.080 an article on the site about haunted hotels that a 0:16:23.080 --> 0:16:26.280 lot of hotels and all around the world, but especially 0:16:26.360 --> 0:16:30.760 in places like New Orleans and um like old spooky Spanish. 0:16:30.800 --> 0:16:33.000 I guess the Cornetto is probably one of those. There's one, 0:16:33.040 --> 0:16:37.040 and I believe Colorado or the one they used for 0:16:37.080 --> 0:16:40.440 the Overlooking No. Um, it's it's just like a plain 0:16:40.480 --> 0:16:43.160 o like regular cool hotel, but it has like a 0:16:43.240 --> 0:16:46.960 stream running through the lobby. Yeah, which is cool in 0:16:47.000 --> 0:16:49.760 and of itself. And I don't remember where I saw this, 0:16:49.800 --> 0:16:52.440 but um, it was like on some TV show or 0:16:52.680 --> 0:16:55.840 this it's like a super haunted hotel supposedly, see like 0:16:55.880 --> 0:16:58.960 the ghost Waiter, is it? I don't I don't remember. 0:16:59.200 --> 0:17:02.320 I don't wait through the the river, Yeah, he had 0:17:02.320 --> 0:17:05.920 his pants rolled up and yeah, flipp the caviary pop 0:17:06.080 --> 0:17:09.879 is awesome. Uh that is the best of must right then, 0:17:09.920 --> 0:17:12.960 I'm sorry. Um. And you know there are mediums out 0:17:13.000 --> 0:17:16.240 there who uh you know, if you saw the movie 0:17:16.240 --> 0:17:19.920 Ghost Whoopy Goldberg. Obviously there's many times hucksters trying to 0:17:19.960 --> 0:17:23.320 take advantage of people, saying they can contact people, put 0:17:23.320 --> 0:17:26.560 you in touch with your relatives that have passed. Um, 0:17:26.640 --> 0:17:29.359 but I'm sure they're very There are a lot of 0:17:29.400 --> 0:17:31.760 mediums who really believe what they're doing is for real, 0:17:31.840 --> 0:17:35.560 you know. Yeah. And what's what's kind of ironic is um. 0:17:35.600 --> 0:17:38.280 There's this really great article, it's just a little quick 0:17:38.440 --> 0:17:41.160 editorial actually from Los Angeles Times in two thousand and six, 0:17:41.240 --> 0:17:44.119 is called The Science Afraid of Ghosts is written by 0:17:44.160 --> 0:17:48.240 Deborah bloom Right, and she basically points out that like 0:17:49.040 --> 0:17:53.959 we we used to have psychical research societies, like William James, 0:17:54.440 --> 0:17:59.560 effectively the founder of psychology, like investigated the paranormal as 0:17:59.560 --> 0:18:05.399 well and conducted like extensive real scientific experiments and along 0:18:05.440 --> 0:18:09.400 the way debunked a lot of mediums, like the nineteenth century, 0:18:09.440 --> 0:18:14.200 the Victorian era, um. And so part of this investigation 0:18:14.359 --> 0:18:20.600 into the paranormal um was not just it wasn't just 0:18:20.680 --> 0:18:24.119 to prove that ghosts existed. It was just to understand 0:18:24.119 --> 0:18:26.640 the paranormal on its own terms. And along the way, say, 0:18:26.800 --> 0:18:29.159 this person is a fraud, this person is a huckster. 0:18:29.600 --> 0:18:32.800 This ectoplasm is cheesecloth that they had like stuffed in 0:18:32.840 --> 0:18:36.960 their cheek, you know. Um, And and that was part 0:18:37.040 --> 0:18:40.159 of it. And over time I think science has just 0:18:40.240 --> 0:18:42.280 kind of thrown out the whole thing, the baby with 0:18:42.359 --> 0:18:46.320 the bath water, and now it's just up to uh 0:18:46.680 --> 0:18:51.000 kind of the more mean spirited section of the skeptical 0:18:51.080 --> 0:18:54.600 world to just go after and debunk. There's nobody looking 0:18:54.680 --> 0:18:58.000 for There are very few people looking to prove or 0:18:58.119 --> 0:19:01.879 disprove the existence of ghosts. It's more just like this 0:19:01.960 --> 0:19:05.120 photograph was faked, right, you know what I mean? Yeah? Um, 0:19:05.440 --> 0:19:07.840 And on photographs, I guess we should talk about orbs 0:19:08.040 --> 0:19:14.000 um very famously. Orbs show up in pictures, and uh, 0:19:14.320 --> 0:19:17.360 some people, you know, say that that is a very 0:19:18.119 --> 0:19:21.280 um specific part of the journey of the ghost is 0:19:21.320 --> 0:19:24.240 when they are an ORB. I have an ORB picture 0:19:24.280 --> 0:19:28.280 which I'll post on Facebook. Emily believes it is our grandfather. 0:19:29.119 --> 0:19:33.119 We he had just passed away, and the photograph he 0:19:33.200 --> 0:19:36.760 was the biggest dog lover I've ever known. And Uh, 0:19:36.840 --> 0:19:39.680 we had just finished our fencing in our backyard and 0:19:39.760 --> 0:19:41.879 our house that we bought. So it had been like 0:19:42.480 --> 0:19:44.800 six or eight months that our dogs couldn't go back there. 0:19:45.320 --> 0:19:47.239 So we finally let them back there, and I had 0:19:47.240 --> 0:19:48.800 a camera. It was like, I gotta take pictures to this, 0:19:48.840 --> 0:19:51.240 and they start playing around like crazy, and in one 0:19:51.280 --> 0:19:54.440 of the pictures there's an ORB boom right there above 0:19:54.480 --> 0:19:57.480 the dogs playing, and Emily was like, that's Charlie, that's 0:19:57.480 --> 0:20:02.080 my grandfather. He's coming to visit. So I didn't debunk that. 0:20:02.160 --> 0:20:07.800 But supposedly skeptics will say that could be a camera 0:20:08.040 --> 0:20:12.720 flash reflecting off with thus particles I use, no flash, 0:20:12.800 --> 0:20:17.000 water spots on the camera lens, bone dry uh defects, 0:20:17.000 --> 0:20:19.479 and digital camera sensors. I guess it could be that 0:20:19.520 --> 0:20:21.200 although it was a new camera and it's never done 0:20:21.200 --> 0:20:25.280 that sense or printing errors. It was not printed or developed, 0:20:25.960 --> 0:20:28.160 so who knows. I'm just saying I've got a great 0:20:28.240 --> 0:20:31.560 ORB photo that I'll post my dog's playing. You raise 0:20:31.600 --> 0:20:33.840 a really good question then, like, I mean, what's the 0:20:33.960 --> 0:20:37.000 what's the value of debunking that I don't know photo? 0:20:37.400 --> 0:20:39.760 It made him only feel nice? It still does, so 0:20:40.440 --> 0:20:42.359 why I mean, what is the value? I mean, I 0:20:42.400 --> 0:20:45.960 guess we'll cover it later. Yeah, but there's this, uh 0:20:46.080 --> 0:20:48.040 that that question keeps coming up to me throughout the 0:20:48.119 --> 0:20:51.800 researching this. It's like it's not hurting anybody, right, Um, 0:20:51.840 --> 0:20:55.879 so chuck uh. I guess a really good question. If 0:20:55.920 --> 0:20:58.840 we're gonna talk about how ghost work is, what would 0:20:58.840 --> 0:21:01.760 ghosts be made of? Like we said, the Victorians believe 0:21:01.800 --> 0:21:06.120 that they were made of ectoplasm. Today, if you talk 0:21:06.200 --> 0:21:09.320 to a someone who believes in ghosts and like researchers 0:21:09.320 --> 0:21:14.440 ghosts and like that's part of their world. They prevailing 0:21:14.520 --> 0:21:17.520 idea is that they're made of energy of somehow okay 0:21:18.080 --> 0:21:20.200 I can't remember which, a lot of thermodynamic state. That 0:21:20.359 --> 0:21:25.199 energy cannot be created or destroyed, just transferred states. That 0:21:25.240 --> 0:21:28.960 would be a pretty good understanding of what ghosts are 0:21:29.080 --> 0:21:31.600 if they are real. So a life force that had 0:21:31.800 --> 0:21:34.120 passed from a live person is now a different kind 0:21:34.119 --> 0:21:38.680 of energy exactly, Um, medic Chlorians, what is that? This 0:21:38.800 --> 0:21:41.480 is the Star Wars? Okay, is how they explained the force? 0:21:41.760 --> 0:21:44.119 Who are the medic Chlorians? I don't remember. It was 0:21:44.200 --> 0:21:46.920 very disappointing, though it sounds really familiar. Was it from 0:21:46.960 --> 0:21:50.080 the newer three? Yeah? Yeah, it was how they explained. Basically, 0:21:50.160 --> 0:21:51.800 they explained what the force was, and everyone was like, 0:21:52.359 --> 0:21:54.280 why don't you go and do that? I got you. 0:21:55.080 --> 0:22:00.280 I remember that now. Um. Other theories are that um, 0:22:00.320 --> 0:22:03.960 if they are some sort of energy, they could also 0:22:04.000 --> 0:22:07.680 be some form of matter, right, so maybe they're made 0:22:07.680 --> 0:22:10.320 of some sort of quantum particles or an arrangement of 0:22:10.400 --> 0:22:14.280 quantum particles, which I find kind of an interesting explanation 0:22:14.280 --> 0:22:17.680 because think about it, ghosts can are They're frequently said 0:22:17.680 --> 0:22:20.359 to be able to travel through solid matter. Right. Well, 0:22:20.400 --> 0:22:22.359 if you go down to the quantum level and you 0:22:22.520 --> 0:22:26.520 start looking at transistors, there's a big problem in early 0:22:26.560 --> 0:22:31.560 transistor um development and that individual electrons can pass right 0:22:31.560 --> 0:22:33.920 through the wall of a transistor. It's called quantum tunneling, 0:22:35.160 --> 0:22:37.200 and um they had to figure out how to use 0:22:37.240 --> 0:22:40.080 crystals to kind of block trans electrons in to make 0:22:40.119 --> 0:22:42.359 them flow the way you wanted rather than just be like, oh, 0:22:42.400 --> 0:22:45.840 I'm over here now. So some people say, well, maybe 0:22:45.920 --> 0:22:48.680 these are some sort of quantum particles or an arrangement 0:22:48.680 --> 0:22:53.760 of quantum particles that were able to perceive somehow, right, 0:22:54.080 --> 0:22:57.200 And then the question I would have is is there 0:22:57.240 --> 0:23:02.520 a consistent uh explanation on why some people might become 0:23:02.600 --> 0:23:05.720