1 00:00:00,800 --> 00:00:06,120 Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, it's your old pal Josh Ghoulish Clark. And 2 00:00:06,200 --> 00:00:09,200 Speaker 1: for this week's special Halloween edition of s Y s 3 00:00:09,240 --> 00:00:13,560 Speaker 1: K Selects, I've chosen our classic episode How Ghosts Work, 4 00:00:13,920 --> 00:00:17,720 Speaker 1: which it turns out we recorded in July weirdly enough, 5 00:00:18,079 --> 00:00:21,200 Speaker 1: but it seems appropriate to release this Saturday. So I 6 00:00:21,280 --> 00:00:30,680 Speaker 1: hope you endured and boo. Welcome to Stuff you Should Know, 7 00:00:30,880 --> 00:00:39,200 Speaker 1: a production of My Heart Radios How Stuff Works. Hey, 8 00:00:39,240 --> 00:00:41,920 Speaker 1: and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark, There's Charles 9 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:44,159 Speaker 1: debe Chuck Bryant, and this is Stuff you should Know. 10 00:00:44,520 --> 00:00:50,080 Speaker 1: Jerry's over there twiddling and fuxing around Halloween and Julie right, 11 00:00:50,560 --> 00:00:52,880 Speaker 1: remember when we had the Horror fiction contest last year, 12 00:00:52,960 --> 00:00:56,320 Speaker 1: Actually this may be July. Um yeah, yeah, yeah, and 13 00:00:56,360 --> 00:00:59,480 Speaker 1: we I think that the deadline for submissions was in July. 14 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:02,160 Speaker 1: Was weird to be in that kind of Halloween mindset 15 00:01:02,200 --> 00:01:04,200 Speaker 1: while it was hot out, but yeah, and I'm sure 16 00:01:04,240 --> 00:01:07,360 Speaker 1: it was weird to ask the authors, or not to ask, 17 00:01:07,400 --> 00:01:10,920 Speaker 1: but to have them get in that mindset to write 18 00:01:10,959 --> 00:01:14,480 Speaker 1: something creepy. We definitely didn't command. You talked me out 19 00:01:14,480 --> 00:01:16,800 Speaker 1: of that. Yeah, that was a good contest, also known 20 00:01:16,840 --> 00:01:19,800 Speaker 1: as the contest that shall never happen again. Well, we 21 00:01:19,880 --> 00:01:21,560 Speaker 1: also ended up with the one that we're going to 22 00:01:21,600 --> 00:01:24,720 Speaker 1: read this year, right, I think, yeah, yeah, it's a 23 00:01:24,760 --> 00:01:27,360 Speaker 1: good one. It is a good one. Uh, you guys 24 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:29,399 Speaker 1: will have to see in a few months what we're 25 00:01:29,400 --> 00:01:33,640 Speaker 1: talking about is right, so chuck. Um, I myself have 26 00:01:33,800 --> 00:01:37,760 Speaker 1: never officially seen a ghost, but I understand you have 27 00:01:37,800 --> 00:01:40,600 Speaker 1: a ghost story. I do. I remarked about it and 28 00:01:40,600 --> 00:01:42,080 Speaker 1: I said, oh, I'm gonna wait till we do our 29 00:01:42,080 --> 00:01:44,800 Speaker 1: ghost podcast. Well here we are, pal is this it? 30 00:01:44,800 --> 00:01:47,360 Speaker 1: Should I go? Now? Yeah? Okay, I'm not saying this 31 00:01:47,400 --> 00:01:49,640 Speaker 1: was a ghost. What I'm saying is one night I 32 00:01:49,680 --> 00:01:57,280 Speaker 1: saw something very very very strange that I cannot explain. Okay, okay, 33 00:01:57,320 --> 00:01:58,880 Speaker 1: are you ready? Yeah? I feel like she could have 34 00:01:58,960 --> 00:02:02,640 Speaker 1: music or something. Year that could probably be done. Um 35 00:02:02,720 --> 00:02:06,520 Speaker 1: so Athens Georgia College, I would say, I don't remember 36 00:02:06,600 --> 00:02:11,680 Speaker 1: the exact year, but it was probably is. Um my 37 00:02:11,760 --> 00:02:15,160 Speaker 1: best friend and I, Brett, had had gone out and um, 38 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:19,240 Speaker 1: we're going back home, uh and driving through five points 39 00:02:19,440 --> 00:02:23,680 Speaker 1: you know the area. So we're coming from like let's 40 00:02:23,680 --> 00:02:26,920 Speaker 1: say the direction of campus, and you know there's a 41 00:02:26,960 --> 00:02:29,040 Speaker 1: cut through if you take a certain road and five 42 00:02:29,080 --> 00:02:31,840 Speaker 1: points that cuts you over to Alps Road, and people 43 00:02:31,880 --> 00:02:33,840 Speaker 1: are gonna be like, what is he talking about? I know, 44 00:02:34,160 --> 00:02:36,640 Speaker 1: I just I'm talking to you here. Uh. And so 45 00:02:36,680 --> 00:02:39,760 Speaker 1: there's this one area where you go around a road 46 00:02:39,800 --> 00:02:43,840 Speaker 1: curves ninety degrees and then about i'd say two hundred 47 00:02:43,919 --> 00:02:46,120 Speaker 1: feet after that there's a four way stop sign. It's 48 00:02:46,200 --> 00:02:48,920 Speaker 1: very NEIGHBORHOODI area. I think that's like where Ray Golf 49 00:02:49,040 --> 00:02:51,919 Speaker 1: used to live. He Vince Duley lives over there. That 50 00:02:51,960 --> 00:02:54,960 Speaker 1: might be what you're thinking. So we go around this 51 00:02:55,040 --> 00:02:57,400 Speaker 1: ninety degree curve and I'm looking, you know, I'm filling 52 00:02:57,400 --> 00:02:59,720 Speaker 1: with the radio or something, and my buddy Brett starts, 53 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:03,320 Speaker 1: uh like kind of joke, screaming like, oh what is that? 54 00:03:03,600 --> 00:03:06,760 Speaker 1: But getting around and I look up and in the 55 00:03:06,800 --> 00:03:09,520 Speaker 1: middle of the intersection and I swear, people, I'm not 56 00:03:09,600 --> 00:03:12,639 Speaker 1: making this up and I did not hallucinate it. This 57 00:03:12,680 --> 00:03:15,960 Speaker 1: is God's honest truth. There was a what looked like 58 00:03:16,040 --> 00:03:20,880 Speaker 1: a hundred year old woman wearing a black robe with 59 00:03:20,919 --> 00:03:25,360 Speaker 1: a purple sash dagonal across her chest, and she was 60 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:28,440 Speaker 1: standing in the middle of the intersection holding a bible 61 00:03:29,639 --> 00:03:33,440 Speaker 1: like this kind of on her placed on her fingertips 62 00:03:33,440 --> 00:03:35,400 Speaker 1: as you would hold like like a waiter would hold 63 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:39,840 Speaker 1: a platter about chess level, and she was sort of 64 00:03:39,840 --> 00:03:42,720 Speaker 1: looking in the other direction with kind of a vacant 65 00:03:42,720 --> 00:03:44,400 Speaker 1: look on her face like you have now or is 66 00:03:44,400 --> 00:03:47,680 Speaker 1: it just she was completely vacant, completely still didn't move 67 00:03:47,720 --> 00:03:51,160 Speaker 1: an inch and wasn't like an hazy apparition, I mean, 68 00:03:51,560 --> 00:03:55,400 Speaker 1: was solid and looked real, real, real, dude. It was 69 00:03:55,480 --> 00:03:58,480 Speaker 1: so freaky. We pull right up on her to you know, 70 00:03:58,720 --> 00:04:02,760 Speaker 1: take that left, and we're both kind of jokes screaming, 71 00:04:02,800 --> 00:04:04,720 Speaker 1: but then as we get closer, we're like, you know, 72 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:09,080 Speaker 1: what's going on here? But it all happened in like, oh, 73 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:12,320 Speaker 1: fifteen seconds, so it wasn't a lot of time to register, 74 00:04:12,520 --> 00:04:14,160 Speaker 1: you know what is this. We were just sort of 75 00:04:14,200 --> 00:04:17,360 Speaker 1: getting around and we pull right by her and take 76 00:04:17,360 --> 00:04:19,400 Speaker 1: a left, like you know, if this is her. We 77 00:04:19,480 --> 00:04:23,000 Speaker 1: pull within feet of her, and she's on my side 78 00:04:23,040 --> 00:04:24,919 Speaker 1: at this point because we're turning right by her. She 79 00:04:24,960 --> 00:04:27,960 Speaker 1: doesn't blink, doesn't move a muscle, and we were going 80 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:32,640 Speaker 1: probably fifteen minur in this curve. He starts like he 81 00:04:32,680 --> 00:04:34,840 Speaker 1: can't drive his stick shift anymore because he's freaking out. 82 00:04:34,920 --> 00:04:37,720 Speaker 1: The cars like jerking and sputtering. He pulls over probably 83 00:04:37,720 --> 00:04:39,839 Speaker 1: fifty ft later. We both turned around out the back 84 00:04:39,839 --> 00:04:45,800 Speaker 1: window and there's nothing there. I'm getting looked chill bumps. Uh, 85 00:04:45,839 --> 00:04:48,279 Speaker 1: And to this day, I have no idea what the 86 00:04:48,279 --> 00:04:52,919 Speaker 1: heck it was. And it was either a crazy, crazy 87 00:04:52,960 --> 00:04:55,720 Speaker 1: old woman who is really fast, which is really creepy 88 00:04:55,760 --> 00:05:01,159 Speaker 1: and really fast, or the most believable Madam Tusso's wax 89 00:05:01,240 --> 00:05:03,520 Speaker 1: dummy I've ever seen. It was also really fast that 90 00:05:03,640 --> 00:05:05,640 Speaker 1: someone ran and set out there and we didn't see it, 91 00:05:05,640 --> 00:05:08,000 Speaker 1: and then ran and took it away. I'm not offering 92 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:10,320 Speaker 1: any explanation, not saying it was a ghost, but I 93 00:05:10,400 --> 00:05:14,160 Speaker 1: have no recollect or explanation for what it could have been. 94 00:05:14,200 --> 00:05:16,719 Speaker 1: And it was the creepiest, weirdest thing I've ever seen. 95 00:05:16,760 --> 00:05:19,360 Speaker 1: And we both described it to each other immediately, like 96 00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:22,719 Speaker 1: what did you see? What did you see? Had gold leafing? 97 00:05:22,880 --> 00:05:24,600 Speaker 1: I mean, I can't say it was a Bible because 98 00:05:24,640 --> 00:05:26,800 Speaker 1: I didn't see the cover, but it, you know, had 99 00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:28,560 Speaker 1: that gold leafing around it looked like a bible. So 100 00:05:28,640 --> 00:05:32,200 Speaker 1: you both saw the same thing, exact same thing. Purple sash, 101 00:05:32,279 --> 00:05:36,720 Speaker 1: black robe, silver hair. That is one of the pernicious 102 00:05:36,800 --> 00:05:40,479 Speaker 1: qualities of a ghost sighting is that frequently people will 103 00:05:40,520 --> 00:05:42,520 Speaker 1: see the same thing. Two different people will see the 104 00:05:42,560 --> 00:05:45,560 Speaker 1: same thing, which lends a tremendous amount of credence to 105 00:05:45,640 --> 00:05:48,240 Speaker 1: something because if one person just sees it, well it's 106 00:05:48,240 --> 00:05:52,400 Speaker 1: a hallucination. Exactly. You were clearly on something, we were not. 107 00:05:53,040 --> 00:05:56,120 Speaker 1: But that's what somebody could say. Both of you saw it. 108 00:05:56,320 --> 00:05:59,440 Speaker 1: Even if you both were on something, right, that doesn't 109 00:05:59,440 --> 00:06:02,080 Speaker 1: mean you're gonna see the exact same thing. Yeah, and 110 00:06:02,279 --> 00:06:05,120 Speaker 1: I wasn't like some big ghost guy. I'd never have 111 00:06:05,320 --> 00:06:07,440 Speaker 1: had looked for them or say, oh I believe in ghosts. 112 00:06:07,440 --> 00:06:09,600 Speaker 1: It would just out of nowhere of boom, there it 113 00:06:09,680 --> 00:06:12,400 Speaker 1: happened right exactly. Um. You can also go a little 114 00:06:12,400 --> 00:06:14,760 Speaker 1: further if you're a skeptic and say, well, I mean 115 00:06:15,320 --> 00:06:18,800 Speaker 1: Chuck and Brett Brett just kind of we're playing off 116 00:06:18,800 --> 00:06:23,040 Speaker 1: one another description and they came to some unconsciously came 117 00:06:23,080 --> 00:06:26,440 Speaker 1: to an agreement of this. You guys compiled the story 118 00:06:26,480 --> 00:06:30,560 Speaker 1: and you saw the same thing that. However you approach 119 00:06:30,640 --> 00:06:34,960 Speaker 1: that probably depends on whether you're part of the or 120 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:38,160 Speaker 1: the forty percent of Americans who don't believe in ghosts 121 00:06:38,200 --> 00:06:40,160 Speaker 1: or who do believe in ghosts. According to a two 122 00:06:40,200 --> 00:06:42,880 Speaker 1: thousand nine CBS News poll. I had never given it 123 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:46,040 Speaker 1: much thought, but after that I was I was definitely like, well, 124 00:06:46,160 --> 00:06:48,440 Speaker 1: if that was a ghost and I just saw one, Yeah, 125 00:06:48,520 --> 00:06:51,320 Speaker 1: And I researched a little bit, but this was long 126 00:06:51,360 --> 00:06:54,360 Speaker 1: ago before the internets was born, and so I couldn't 127 00:06:54,400 --> 00:06:56,880 Speaker 1: find anything. And even looked yesterday just to see if 128 00:06:56,880 --> 00:06:59,279 Speaker 1: I could find out anything, if there was some sightings 129 00:06:59,360 --> 00:07:01,560 Speaker 1: or some old lady have been killed or anything, and nothing. 130 00:07:01,800 --> 00:07:03,960 Speaker 1: Now I couldn't find anything. So that was just your 131 00:07:03,960 --> 00:07:08,000 Speaker 1: own personal ghost. Maybe we're just some creepy old woman 132 00:07:08,080 --> 00:07:11,679 Speaker 1: who was still in not blinking as a car barrel 133 00:07:11,720 --> 00:07:16,120 Speaker 1: towards her. Either way, that is very unsettling either way. Um, 134 00:07:16,160 --> 00:07:17,800 Speaker 1: And that's a pretty good ghost story. It was a 135 00:07:17,840 --> 00:07:20,040 Speaker 1: good one. It was not a mask, you know, I 136 00:07:20,040 --> 00:07:22,520 Speaker 1: can say that for sure. Like we pulled up within 137 00:07:22,600 --> 00:07:25,120 Speaker 1: feet of her, Like I looked in her face and 138 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:27,480 Speaker 1: she and she didn't move a mustle, didn't move a muscle. Man. 139 00:07:27,480 --> 00:07:29,640 Speaker 1: That's scary. It was the scariest thing that's ever happened 140 00:07:29,640 --> 00:07:31,760 Speaker 1: to me. And we told that story many many times 141 00:07:31,760 --> 00:07:34,360 Speaker 1: over the years, and everyone's always like, really, and I 142 00:07:34,360 --> 00:07:36,600 Speaker 1: always say, I swear, why would I make this up? 143 00:07:37,280 --> 00:07:39,800 Speaker 1: So that's my ghost story. That's a good ghost story. 144 00:07:40,120 --> 00:07:44,520 Speaker 1: You can reach us on Facebook, right, Yeah, it's time 145 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:47,240 Speaker 1: for message break. All right. Wait, wait, Jerry, it's not 146 00:07:47,320 --> 00:07:49,600 Speaker 1: really time for message break. But she left pretty quick. 147 00:07:51,200 --> 00:07:55,080 Speaker 1: So we're talking ghosts. And like I said, forty percent 148 00:07:55,280 --> 00:08:01,080 Speaker 1: of Americans believe in ghosts, don't. Yeah, And I think 149 00:08:01,120 --> 00:08:04,360 Speaker 1: a lot of people, especially after reading this, there's the 150 00:08:04,400 --> 00:08:08,920 Speaker 1: whole you know, I really miss my deceased relative, and 151 00:08:09,800 --> 00:08:13,400 Speaker 1: I go to seances and I think those things the 152 00:08:13,440 --> 00:08:16,040 Speaker 1: mind can play tricks on you. But in my case, 153 00:08:16,080 --> 00:08:17,840 Speaker 1: it was just like those are the ones where I'm like, 154 00:08:17,880 --> 00:08:21,280 Speaker 1: what's going on here? You know, well, it's pretty much 155 00:08:21,280 --> 00:08:27,000 Speaker 1: impossible to disprove something or to prove something doesn't exist, 156 00:08:28,320 --> 00:08:31,960 Speaker 1: which is one reason why belief in ghosts continues on. 157 00:08:33,640 --> 00:08:36,920 Speaker 1: But there's also a lot of um. There's also a 158 00:08:36,920 --> 00:08:41,640 Speaker 1: lot of factors in ghosts that accumulated create this body 159 00:08:41,760 --> 00:08:46,520 Speaker 1: of you know, ghost belief. What our ghost ghostly sightings, hauntings, appversions, 160 00:08:46,559 --> 00:08:49,280 Speaker 1: all that stuff. Sure that um kind of over time 161 00:08:49,280 --> 00:08:50,959 Speaker 1: have taken on a life of their own, or I 162 00:08:50,960 --> 00:08:53,600 Speaker 1: should say, have been around for thousands and thousands of 163 00:08:53,679 --> 00:09:00,280 Speaker 1: years um, and have not been dispelled by science. Um. 164 00:09:00,320 --> 00:09:02,160 Speaker 1: So we're going to kind of approach this from like, 165 00:09:02,240 --> 00:09:05,560 Speaker 1: you know, here's what people believe ghosts are, and here's 166 00:09:05,600 --> 00:09:10,520 Speaker 1: some scientific explanations for it. But throughout this you'll notice 167 00:09:10,600 --> 00:09:13,400 Speaker 1: that at no point are we ever going to say 168 00:09:13,480 --> 00:09:17,000 Speaker 1: conclusively science has proven that ghost don't exist, because it 169 00:09:17,160 --> 00:09:20,160 Speaker 1: kind of can't. That's not to say that people aren't 170 00:09:20,200 --> 00:09:23,439 Speaker 1: using the scientific method to study ghosts, because some are, 171 00:09:23,640 --> 00:09:26,000 Speaker 1: and my hat is off to these people most of all. Yeah, 172 00:09:26,400 --> 00:09:29,400 Speaker 1: so let's hug cohosts man. All right, well I just 173 00:09:29,440 --> 00:09:34,240 Speaker 1: described my encounter, which, like I said, wasn't hazy or weird. Um, well, 174 00:09:34,280 --> 00:09:36,880 Speaker 1: it was weird. It wasn't like a hazy apparition. But 175 00:09:37,040 --> 00:09:40,480 Speaker 1: many times as an apparition, um, sometimes it's lights, it 176 00:09:40,480 --> 00:09:44,320 Speaker 1: seems to hit every sense. Sometimes it's a smell um, 177 00:09:44,320 --> 00:09:46,559 Speaker 1: like Tracy pointed out in this article, like the smell 178 00:09:46,640 --> 00:09:50,440 Speaker 1: of deceased relative's favorite meal being cooked in the other room, 179 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:53,880 Speaker 1: stuff like that. Or the smell of the deceased relative 180 00:09:55,600 --> 00:09:59,719 Speaker 1: just smelled something like rotting. But it was just a 181 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:02,920 Speaker 1: roll in the wall, right exactly. It can be a song, 182 00:10:03,200 --> 00:10:07,280 Speaker 1: can be flickering lights, can be uh, orbs in a picture. 183 00:10:07,320 --> 00:10:09,840 Speaker 1: We'll talk about that, or a ghost in a picture. 184 00:10:09,920 --> 00:10:12,320 Speaker 1: Like there's plenty of those. Hey, I got you got 185 00:10:12,440 --> 00:10:14,320 Speaker 1: a Google. It's pretty fun to look at those. Yeah, 186 00:10:14,400 --> 00:10:17,199 Speaker 1: and there's some that are like this one's not quite 187 00:10:17,320 --> 00:10:20,920 Speaker 1: explained to my full satisfaction. Yeah, some of the If 188 00:10:20,920 --> 00:10:23,440 Speaker 1: you look up famous ghost pictures, there's a handful that 189 00:10:23,520 --> 00:10:25,680 Speaker 1: have made the rounds over the years that are pretty good. 190 00:10:25,800 --> 00:10:29,560 Speaker 1: Like the Lady of Brown Hall, I believe is that 191 00:10:29,600 --> 00:10:31,760 Speaker 1: the girl with a fire? No, that's a good one. 192 00:10:31,800 --> 00:10:34,240 Speaker 1: That's a real good one. Um, there's a woman descending 193 00:10:34,240 --> 00:10:39,520 Speaker 1: a staircase like a ghostly woman. Um. Freddie Jackson the 194 00:10:39,559 --> 00:10:45,200 Speaker 1: World War two, World War One pilot killed or mechanic. 195 00:10:45,240 --> 00:10:47,600 Speaker 1: I'm sorry he was killed, and then he showed up 196 00:10:47,640 --> 00:10:50,640 Speaker 1: in a group photo two days later. Um. That one 197 00:10:50,720 --> 00:10:53,800 Speaker 1: was explained as a double exposure, which I mean, just 198 00:10:53,840 --> 00:10:58,040 Speaker 1: the coincidence behind it is in and of itself staggering 199 00:10:58,559 --> 00:11:00,880 Speaker 1: if that is the explanation, and for of course it 200 00:11:00,920 --> 00:11:03,319 Speaker 1: also could be a hoax. But it's a pretty good on. 201 00:11:03,400 --> 00:11:06,240 Speaker 1: Freddy Jackson is my favorite one. I think my favorite 202 00:11:06,280 --> 00:11:08,200 Speaker 1: is the Old West. Did you see that one? It's 203 00:11:08,240 --> 00:11:12,000 Speaker 1: like boothill or something it was in I think, and 204 00:11:12,040 --> 00:11:15,080 Speaker 1: this guy dressed up like a cowboy and you know, 205 00:11:15,160 --> 00:11:17,559 Speaker 1: had his picture made but with his friend. And then 206 00:11:17,559 --> 00:11:20,520 Speaker 1: in the back ground you see this guy. Yeah I 207 00:11:20,600 --> 00:11:25,160 Speaker 1: did like kind of peeking up maybe behind a tombstone. Um, 208 00:11:25,520 --> 00:11:28,120 Speaker 1: just in the brush. Yeah, And supposedly these things were 209 00:11:28,200 --> 00:11:32,679 Speaker 1: verified by photo experts and stuff is having been untouched. 210 00:11:33,480 --> 00:11:37,640 Speaker 1: So yeah, because photoshop is making it way easier to 211 00:11:37,640 --> 00:11:41,920 Speaker 1: screw with photography, but it's also fairly easy to detect too. 212 00:11:41,960 --> 00:11:46,600 Speaker 1: If you really dig into the individual pixels, you can say, well, 213 00:11:46,760 --> 00:11:50,000 Speaker 1: this is obviously, and especially these old photos when they're 214 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:53,240 Speaker 1: examining negatives, it's not that those weren't photoshops, right, I mean, 215 00:11:53,240 --> 00:11:55,320 Speaker 1: it could be light playing tricks. But when you see 216 00:11:55,360 --> 00:11:58,040 Speaker 1: a girl standing by the rail of you know, with 217 00:11:58,080 --> 00:12:01,400 Speaker 1: a fire behind her, that one is explained as the 218 00:12:01,440 --> 00:12:04,000 Speaker 1: girl in the fire. Yeah, that was explained as a 219 00:12:05,160 --> 00:12:11,640 Speaker 1: just a sheer chance mixture of smoke and light. And 220 00:12:11,679 --> 00:12:15,720 Speaker 1: then our um programming, like us being hardwired to pick 221 00:12:15,800 --> 00:12:18,560 Speaker 1: faces out of anything. I don't know, man, that looked 222 00:12:18,559 --> 00:12:22,360 Speaker 1: pretty much like a girl to me. It definitely doesn't it. Yeah. Um, 223 00:12:22,520 --> 00:12:24,520 Speaker 1: And then of course there's the funny things like the 224 00:12:24,559 --> 00:12:27,040 Speaker 1: three minute a Baby Ghost, which was a cut out 225 00:12:27,040 --> 00:12:30,319 Speaker 1: of Dead Dancing, or The Wizard of Oz, like Hanging Munchkin, 226 00:12:30,400 --> 00:12:33,560 Speaker 1: which was although I have to say, since you bring 227 00:12:33,600 --> 00:12:35,920 Speaker 1: it up, one of the greatest short you know, I 228 00:12:35,960 --> 00:12:38,560 Speaker 1: love short horror fiction. Of course they're one of the 229 00:12:38,600 --> 00:12:41,120 Speaker 1: greatest um ones I've ever read. Was called The Hanging 230 00:12:41,160 --> 00:12:45,000 Speaker 1: Man of Oz. It's like, um it was. It's only 231 00:12:45,040 --> 00:12:47,839 Speaker 1: just a few years old, but it's a good little 232 00:12:48,040 --> 00:12:52,600 Speaker 1: short story. Yeah. Yeah, this guy who like gets kind 233 00:12:52,600 --> 00:12:55,640 Speaker 1: of caught up in like looking for it. It's good, 234 00:12:56,320 --> 00:12:59,720 Speaker 1: good horror fiction. Um. This doesn't have to do with 235 00:12:59,760 --> 00:13:02,600 Speaker 1: go But supposedly there's a murder captured on Google Earth. 236 00:13:02,600 --> 00:13:05,320 Speaker 1: Have you seen that making the rounds? No, it's an 237 00:13:05,320 --> 00:13:10,080 Speaker 1: aerial shot obviously of a dock somewhere in Europe, I think, 238 00:13:10,360 --> 00:13:13,200 Speaker 1: by the water, and it looks like a guy's like 239 00:13:13,280 --> 00:13:15,240 Speaker 1: dragging a dead body in a big pool of blood 240 00:13:15,240 --> 00:13:18,880 Speaker 1: toward the water. But they I think they've debunked that 241 00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:21,959 Speaker 1: it was a dog who had shaken off and gotten 242 00:13:21,960 --> 00:13:24,840 Speaker 1: the ground wet, and people verified later like, yeah, that 243 00:13:24,880 --> 00:13:27,280 Speaker 1: was me and my dog, and yeah, I stop asking 244 00:13:27,400 --> 00:13:30,959 Speaker 1: questions because my dog soone posted in on our Facebook wall. 245 00:13:31,080 --> 00:13:33,680 Speaker 1: But I mean you bring up a that's that's a 246 00:13:33,720 --> 00:13:37,959 Speaker 1: really good like you see what you want exactly. Um. 247 00:13:38,120 --> 00:13:40,760 Speaker 1: But again we say, you can't really prove that ghost 248 00:13:40,760 --> 00:13:44,000 Speaker 1: stone exists. So people are like, prove it doesn't prove anything, 249 00:13:44,520 --> 00:13:48,400 Speaker 1: you know. Um, if you can prove that a photograph 250 00:13:48,440 --> 00:13:51,320 Speaker 1: has been faked, then you've proven it's been faked. But 251 00:13:51,360 --> 00:13:52,720 Speaker 1: you can't just look in and be like, oh, I'm 252 00:13:52,760 --> 00:14:24,560 Speaker 1: sure it's a fake that doesn't muster. Yeah, so they 253 00:14:24,840 --> 00:14:28,320 Speaker 1: we we've covered photos. They show up in photos. Well 254 00:14:28,320 --> 00:14:30,680 Speaker 1: why are they here? I mean there's a lot of explanations, 255 00:14:30,760 --> 00:14:34,120 Speaker 1: like they're delivering bad news or good news, right. Yeah. 256 00:14:34,200 --> 00:14:37,400 Speaker 1: There's a lot of ghost stories where, um, the dead 257 00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:40,560 Speaker 1: have suddenly appeared to a relative on the other side 258 00:14:40,600 --> 00:14:43,840 Speaker 1: of the planet at the moment they died. Like the 259 00:14:43,880 --> 00:14:45,800 Speaker 1: relative wakes up the next day to find out that 260 00:14:45,880 --> 00:14:49,480 Speaker 1: the person died at nine a m. When they just 261 00:14:49,520 --> 00:14:51,680 Speaker 1: saw them sitting in their room at that same time. 262 00:14:52,600 --> 00:14:55,880 Speaker 1: So sometimes they're they're coming to say, hey, I love you, 263 00:14:56,440 --> 00:15:00,960 Speaker 1: see you in fifteen years, um, or they're coming to 264 00:15:01,200 --> 00:15:04,760 Speaker 1: say you're about to die. That's another that's the worst 265 00:15:04,800 --> 00:15:08,840 Speaker 1: long standing legend. Yeah, or they're about to say like, um, 266 00:15:08,840 --> 00:15:14,200 Speaker 1: it's it's a should sell your Yahoo stock now, that'd 267 00:15:14,240 --> 00:15:17,160 Speaker 1: be a good ghost, right. Um. You know, there's a 268 00:15:17,240 --> 00:15:20,000 Speaker 1: lot of stuff you can you can say that people 269 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:24,160 Speaker 1: have attributed to ghosts and why they're here. Um, there's 270 00:15:24,200 --> 00:15:29,360 Speaker 1: also that horrible um experience as their last moments. Yeah, 271 00:15:29,440 --> 00:15:32,360 Speaker 1: they they are at the point where they died too 272 00:15:32,400 --> 00:15:36,000 Speaker 1: young or uh, maybe have just gone back to their 273 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:40,360 Speaker 1: favorite place in life. Um, earthbound spirits, I think is 274 00:15:40,400 --> 00:15:46,200 Speaker 1: what paranormal investigators call those situations, like they're stuck here 275 00:15:46,360 --> 00:15:49,320 Speaker 1: or it's like, you know, get off my train type 276 00:15:49,320 --> 00:15:53,400 Speaker 1: of situation. They're guarding a place. Maybe there's not one, 277 00:15:53,480 --> 00:15:57,440 Speaker 1: but two um ghost women at the Hotel del del 278 00:15:57,520 --> 00:16:00,720 Speaker 1: Coronado in San Diego, very famous late night eighteenth century 279 00:16:00,720 --> 00:16:04,960 Speaker 1: built hotel resort um and both of them took their 280 00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:08,120 Speaker 1: own lives at the hotel when they found out they 281 00:16:08,120 --> 00:16:11,080 Speaker 1: were pregnant at a wedlock or one was married but 282 00:16:11,120 --> 00:16:13,560 Speaker 1: her husband and left her and so they're in two 283 00:16:13,600 --> 00:16:18,120 Speaker 1: different rooms still. But that's an example of a ghost 284 00:16:18,200 --> 00:16:20,640 Speaker 1: being tied to a place. Yeah. And um, we have 285 00:16:20,680 --> 00:16:23,080 Speaker 1: an article on the site about haunted hotels that a 286 00:16:23,080 --> 00:16:26,280 Speaker 1: lot of hotels and all around the world, but especially 287 00:16:26,360 --> 00:16:30,760 Speaker 1: in places like New Orleans and um like old spooky Spanish. 288 00:16:30,800 --> 00:16:33,000 Speaker 1: I guess the Cornetto is probably one of those. There's one, 289 00:16:33,040 --> 00:16:37,040 Speaker 1: and I believe Colorado or the one they used for 290 00:16:37,080 --> 00:16:40,440 Speaker 1: the Overlooking No. Um, it's it's just like a plain 291 00:16:40,480 --> 00:16:43,160 Speaker 1: o like regular cool hotel, but it has like a 292 00:16:43,240 --> 00:16:46,960 Speaker 1: stream running through the lobby. Yeah, which is cool in 293 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:49,760 Speaker 1: and of itself. And I don't remember where I saw this, 294 00:16:49,800 --> 00:16:52,440 Speaker 1: but um, it was like on some TV show or 295 00:16:52,680 --> 00:16:55,840 Speaker 1: this it's like a super haunted hotel supposedly, see like 296 00:16:55,880 --> 00:16:58,960 Speaker 1: the ghost Waiter, is it? I don't I don't remember. 297 00:16:59,200 --> 00:17:02,320 Speaker 1: I don't wait through the the river, Yeah, he had 298 00:17:02,320 --> 00:17:05,920 Speaker 1: his pants rolled up and yeah, flipp the caviary pop 299 00:17:06,080 --> 00:17:09,879 Speaker 1: is awesome. Uh that is the best of must right then, 300 00:17:09,920 --> 00:17:12,960 Speaker 1: I'm sorry. Um. And you know there are mediums out 301 00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:16,240 Speaker 1: there who uh you know, if you saw the movie 302 00:17:16,240 --> 00:17:19,920 Speaker 1: Ghost Whoopy Goldberg. Obviously there's many times hucksters trying to 303 00:17:19,960 --> 00:17:23,320 Speaker 1: take advantage of people, saying they can contact people, put 304 00:17:23,320 --> 00:17:26,560 Speaker 1: you in touch with your relatives that have passed. Um, 305 00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:29,359 Speaker 1: but I'm sure they're very There are a lot of 306 00:17:29,400 --> 00:17:31,760 Speaker 1: mediums who really believe what they're doing is for real, 307 00:17:31,840 --> 00:17:35,560 Speaker 1: you know. Yeah. And what's what's kind of ironic is um. 308 00:17:35,600 --> 00:17:38,280 Speaker 1: There's this really great article, it's just a little quick 309 00:17:38,440 --> 00:17:41,160 Speaker 1: editorial actually from Los Angeles Times in two thousand and six, 310 00:17:41,240 --> 00:17:44,119 Speaker 1: is called The Science Afraid of Ghosts is written by 311 00:17:44,160 --> 00:17:48,240 Speaker 1: Deborah bloom Right, and she basically points out that like 312 00:17:49,040 --> 00:17:53,959 Speaker 1: we we used to have psychical research societies, like William James, 313 00:17:54,440 --> 00:17:59,560 Speaker 1: effectively the founder of psychology, like investigated the paranormal as 314 00:17:59,560 --> 00:18:05,399 Speaker 1: well and conducted like extensive real scientific experiments and along 315 00:18:05,440 --> 00:18:09,400 Speaker 1: the way debunked a lot of mediums, like the nineteenth century, 316 00:18:09,440 --> 00:18:14,200 Speaker 1: the Victorian era, um. And so part of this investigation 317 00:18:14,359 --> 00:18:20,600 Speaker 1: into the paranormal um was not just it wasn't just 318 00:18:20,680 --> 00:18:24,119 Speaker 1: to prove that ghosts existed. It was just to understand 319 00:18:24,119 --> 00:18:26,640 Speaker 1: the paranormal on its own terms. And along the way, say, 320 00:18:26,800 --> 00:18:29,159 Speaker 1: this person is a fraud, this person is a huckster. 321 00:18:29,600 --> 00:18:32,800 Speaker 1: This ectoplasm is cheesecloth that they had like stuffed in 322 00:18:32,840 --> 00:18:36,960 Speaker 1: their cheek, you know. Um, And and that was part 323 00:18:37,040 --> 00:18:40,159 Speaker 1: of it. And over time I think science has just 324 00:18:40,240 --> 00:18:42,280 Speaker 1: kind of thrown out the whole thing, the baby with 325 00:18:42,359 --> 00:18:46,320 Speaker 1: the bath water, and now it's just up to uh 326 00:18:46,680 --> 00:18:51,000 Speaker 1: kind of the more mean spirited section of the skeptical 327 00:18:51,080 --> 00:18:54,600 Speaker 1: world to just go after and debunk. There's nobody looking 328 00:18:54,680 --> 00:18:58,000 Speaker 1: for There are very few people looking to prove or 329 00:18:58,119 --> 00:19:01,879 Speaker 1: disprove the existence of ghosts. It's more just like this 330 00:19:01,960 --> 00:19:05,120 Speaker 1: photograph was faked, right, you know what I mean? Yeah? Um, 331 00:19:05,440 --> 00:19:07,840 Speaker 1: And on photographs, I guess we should talk about orbs 332 00:19:08,040 --> 00:19:14,000 Speaker 1: um very famously. Orbs show up in pictures, and uh, 333 00:19:14,320 --> 00:19:17,360 Speaker 1: some people, you know, say that that is a very 334 00:19:18,119 --> 00:19:21,280 Speaker 1: um specific part of the journey of the ghost is 335 00:19:21,320 --> 00:19:24,240 Speaker 1: when they are an ORB. I have an ORB picture 336 00:19:24,280 --> 00:19:28,280 Speaker 1: which I'll post on Facebook. Emily believes it is our grandfather. 337 00:19:29,119 --> 00:19:33,119 Speaker 1: We he had just passed away, and the photograph he 338 00:19:33,200 --> 00:19:36,760 Speaker 1: was the biggest dog lover I've ever known. And Uh, 339 00:19:36,840 --> 00:19:39,680 Speaker 1: we had just finished our fencing in our backyard and 340 00:19:39,760 --> 00:19:41,879 Speaker 1: our house that we bought. So it had been like 341 00:19:42,480 --> 00:19:44,800 Speaker 1: six or eight months that our dogs couldn't go back there. 342 00:19:45,320 --> 00:19:47,239 Speaker 1: So we finally let them back there, and I had 343 00:19:47,240 --> 00:19:48,800 Speaker 1: a camera. It was like, I gotta take pictures to this, 344 00:19:48,840 --> 00:19:51,240 Speaker 1: and they start playing around like crazy, and in one 345 00:19:51,280 --> 00:19:54,440 Speaker 1: of the pictures there's an ORB boom right there above 346 00:19:54,480 --> 00:19:57,480 Speaker 1: the dogs playing, and Emily was like, that's Charlie, that's 347 00:19:57,480 --> 00:20:02,080 Speaker 1: my grandfather. He's coming to visit. So I didn't debunk that. 348 00:20:02,160 --> 00:20:07,800 Speaker 1: But supposedly skeptics will say that could be a camera 349 00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:12,720 Speaker 1: flash reflecting off with thus particles I use, no flash, 350 00:20:12,800 --> 00:20:17,000 Speaker 1: water spots on the camera lens, bone dry uh defects, 351 00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:19,479 Speaker 1: and digital camera sensors. I guess it could be that 352 00:20:19,520 --> 00:20:21,200 Speaker 1: although it was a new camera and it's never done 353 00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:25,280 Speaker 1: that sense or printing errors. It was not printed or developed, 354 00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:28,160 Speaker 1: so who knows. I'm just saying I've got a great 355 00:20:28,240 --> 00:20:31,560 Speaker 1: ORB photo that I'll post my dog's playing. You raise 356 00:20:31,600 --> 00:20:33,840 Speaker 1: a really good question then, like, I mean, what's the 357 00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:37,000 Speaker 1: what's the value of debunking that I don't know photo? 358 00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:39,760 Speaker 1: It made him only feel nice? It still does, so 359 00:20:40,440 --> 00:20:42,359 Speaker 1: why I mean, what is the value? I mean, I 360 00:20:42,400 --> 00:20:45,960 Speaker 1: guess we'll cover it later. Yeah, but there's this, uh 361 00:20:46,080 --> 00:20:48,040 Speaker 1: that that question keeps coming up to me throughout the 362 00:20:48,119 --> 00:20:51,800 Speaker 1: researching this. It's like it's not hurting anybody, right, Um, 363 00:20:51,840 --> 00:20:55,879 Speaker 1: so chuck uh. I guess a really good question. If 364 00:20:55,920 --> 00:20:58,840 Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about how ghost work is, what would 365 00:20:58,840 --> 00:21:01,760 Speaker 1: ghosts be made of? Like we said, the Victorians believe 366 00:21:01,800 --> 00:21:06,120 Speaker 1: that they were made of ectoplasm. Today, if you talk 367 00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:09,320 Speaker 1: to a someone who believes in ghosts and like researchers 368 00:21:09,320 --> 00:21:14,440 Speaker 1: ghosts and like that's part of their world. They prevailing 369 00:21:14,520 --> 00:21:17,520 Speaker 1: idea is that they're made of energy of somehow okay 370 00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:20,200 Speaker 1: I can't remember which, a lot of thermodynamic state. That 371 00:21:20,359 --> 00:21:25,199 Speaker 1: energy cannot be created or destroyed, just transferred states. That 372 00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:28,960 Speaker 1: would be a pretty good understanding of what ghosts are 373 00:21:29,080 --> 00:21:31,600 Speaker 1: if they are real. So a life force that had 374 00:21:31,800 --> 00:21:34,120 Speaker 1: passed from a live person is now a different kind 375 00:21:34,119 --> 00:21:38,680 Speaker 1: of energy exactly, Um, medic Chlorians, what is that? This 376 00:21:38,800 --> 00:21:41,480 Speaker 1: is the Star Wars? Okay, is how they explained the force? 377 00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:44,119 Speaker 1: Who are the medic Chlorians? I don't remember. It was 378 00:21:44,200 --> 00:21:46,920 Speaker 1: very disappointing, though it sounds really familiar. Was it from 379 00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:50,080 Speaker 1: the newer three? Yeah? Yeah, it was how they explained. Basically, 380 00:21:50,160 --> 00:21:51,800 Speaker 1: they explained what the force was, and everyone was like, 381 00:21:52,359 --> 00:21:54,280 Speaker 1: why don't you go and do that? I got you. 382 00:21:55,080 --> 00:22:00,280 Speaker 1: I remember that now. Um. Other theories are that um, 383 00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:03,960 Speaker 1: if they are some sort of energy, they could also 384 00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:07,680 Speaker 1: be some form of matter, right, so maybe they're made 385 00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:10,320 Speaker 1: of some sort of quantum particles or an arrangement of 386 00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:14,280 Speaker 1: quantum particles, which I find kind of an interesting explanation 387 00:22:14,280 --> 00:22:17,680 Speaker 1: because think about it, ghosts can are They're frequently said 388 00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:20,359 Speaker 1: to be able to travel through solid matter. Right. Well, 389 00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:22,359 Speaker 1: if you go down to the quantum level and you 390 00:22:22,520 --> 00:22:26,520 Speaker 1: start looking at transistors, there's a big problem in early 391 00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:31,560 Speaker 1: transistor um development and that individual electrons can pass right 392 00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:33,920 Speaker 1: through the wall of a transistor. It's called quantum tunneling, 393 00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:37,200 Speaker 1: and um they had to figure out how to use 394 00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:40,080 Speaker 1: crystals to kind of block trans electrons in to make 395 00:22:40,119 --> 00:22:42,359 Speaker 1: them flow the way you wanted rather than just be like, oh, 396 00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:45,840 Speaker 1: I'm over here now. So some people say, well, maybe 397 00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:48,680 Speaker 1: these are some sort of quantum particles or an arrangement 398 00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:53,760 Speaker 1: of quantum particles that were able to perceive somehow, right, 399 00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:57,200 Speaker 1: And then the question I would have is is there 400 00:22:57,240 --> 00:23:02,520 Speaker 1: a consistent uh explanation on why some people might become 401 00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:05,720 Speaker 1: a ghost and some others not? And the answer is no, 402 00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:09,520 Speaker 1: Or are they everywhere and some you just have a 403 00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:13,000 Speaker 1: stronger energy force or something? Who knows? Yeah? Because I 404 00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:17,199 Speaker 1: mean if if people tend to perceive ghosts more than others, 405 00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:20,919 Speaker 1: and that typically from studies has been shown to be 406 00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:24,480 Speaker 1: people who believe in ghosts tend to see them more often, 407 00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:29,800 Speaker 1: report hauntings. Um, why wouldn't they see them all the time? Yeah, 408 00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:32,680 Speaker 1: Like why wouldn't so? Yeah, that would indicate that there 409 00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:35,080 Speaker 1: is something about an individual person that would make them 410 00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:38,960 Speaker 1: become a ghost. So many questions. Well, the whole unfinished business, 411 00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:41,560 Speaker 1: like it died too young. Things I can wrap my 412 00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:45,040 Speaker 1: head around that, Like an energy force that was so 413 00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:50,560 Speaker 1: strong that has now gone still could be around. Um, 414 00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:53,520 Speaker 1: I'm trying to decide what part I'd lie in. Do 415 00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:57,920 Speaker 1: I believe in ghosts? I think so? Okay. So there's 416 00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:02,040 Speaker 1: a dude named Richard Wiseman of a University of Hertfordshire, 417 00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:06,280 Speaker 1: and he's done a lot of research in gb Great Britain, 418 00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:12,280 Speaker 1: and he has found some pretty consistent results that people 419 00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:17,440 Speaker 1: have generally reported the same things in the same places, 420 00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:20,160 Speaker 1: even if they didn't know there was any ghost activity there, 421 00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:22,439 Speaker 1: even if they did or didn't believe. Actually, if they 422 00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:25,119 Speaker 1: did believe, they were more, like you said, more apt 423 00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:29,800 Speaker 1: to see a ghost. But he had consistent results of 424 00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:33,160 Speaker 1: specific places. Yeah, I mean like he applied the scientific 425 00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:39,240 Speaker 1: method to researching ghosts, and he he documented what what parts, 426 00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:43,520 Speaker 1: what areas in a reportedly haunted place. Sightings were most 427 00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:47,080 Speaker 1: frequently reported basically found that, like you could, you could 428 00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:51,560 Speaker 1: map out areas where sightings were. Okay, so that's step one, 429 00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:55,440 Speaker 1: and then step two. We had people who who encountered 430 00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:58,960 Speaker 1: ghosts described their experiences, and he kind of compiled the data. 431 00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:01,920 Speaker 1: Then he went back to see what other commonalities there 432 00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:05,920 Speaker 1: were for an area. Yeah, like physical conditions there, Yes, 433 00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:09,000 Speaker 1: like how cold is it? Is it humid? Um? Let 434 00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:11,639 Speaker 1: me measure the light, let me measure the magnetic field? Right. 435 00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:17,400 Speaker 1: What he found, though, interestingly, was that um, there were 436 00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:21,359 Speaker 1: specific areas where people who had no understanding of the 437 00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:24,880 Speaker 1: history of the place they were seeing where it heard 438 00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:28,600 Speaker 1: that the area was haunted, had reported seeing something. So 439 00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:32,440 Speaker 1: there was something to a specific area being quote haunted, 440 00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:36,840 Speaker 1: And people who didn't necessarily believe in ghosts or didn't 441 00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:38,840 Speaker 1: know that the place was supposed to be haunted had 442 00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:41,280 Speaker 1: reported not only that they'd seen a sighting or something 443 00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:45,680 Speaker 1: in this building, but in the specific area of this building. Yeah, 444 00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:50,160 Speaker 1: what does that mean? It's a consistent study, right, So, 445 00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:52,919 Speaker 1: and Wiseman is a part of this kind of long 446 00:25:53,080 --> 00:26:00,040 Speaker 1: but very um small, smally sparsely populated um tradition of 447 00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:05,120 Speaker 1: like paranormal researchers, like legitimate ones I could get into that. Man. 448 00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:06,840 Speaker 1: When I was a kid, I used to want to 449 00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:11,640 Speaker 1: go to Duke and study paranormal or para psychology there. Yeah, 450 00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:14,440 Speaker 1: they had a para of psychology department. It was led 451 00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:16,480 Speaker 1: by a guy named Joseph Ryan, who was another like 452 00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:21,480 Speaker 1: legitimate para psychological researcher. Um, you could have gotten a 453 00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:24,879 Speaker 1: TV show on Science Chip, Yeah, totally. U c l 454 00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:29,600 Speaker 1: A used to have one from I think now they 455 00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:32,240 Speaker 1: shut it down and I think the mid eighties, but 456 00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:34,439 Speaker 1: it was around from like the fifties or sixties up 457 00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:38,640 Speaker 1: to the eighties and it was well respected. Um. William 458 00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:43,480 Speaker 1: James was another researcher. Uh. As of the nineties, James, 459 00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:49,920 Speaker 1: Huron and Renny Lange are still doing research and writing books. Um. 460 00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:54,280 Speaker 1: Harry Price was a very famous one. Yeah. He was 461 00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:57,840 Speaker 1: famous for investigating Borderley Rectory, which was supposed to be 462 00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:01,240 Speaker 1: like the most haunted place in England. And then now, 463 00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:04,159 Speaker 1: if you want to get a degree in paras psychology, 464 00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:07,439 Speaker 1: you can go to the American University or you can 465 00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:10,280 Speaker 1: go to University of Edinburgh. Those are the two places 466 00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:11,960 Speaker 1: as far as I know, in the Western world where 467 00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:14,520 Speaker 1: you can get a paras psychology degree. I could see 468 00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:17,840 Speaker 1: that the Great Britain's has a lot of um ghostly 469 00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:21,200 Speaker 1: activity and paranormal investigators, and they're into it over there, 470 00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:23,440 Speaker 1: and Edinburgh is supposed to be the most haunted city 471 00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:27,360 Speaker 1: in all of Europe. Really a bunch of dissatisfied scotsman 472 00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:33,680 Speaker 1: roaming the bog. Right. Um, so we've kind of laid 473 00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:35,680 Speaker 1: it out right, Yeah, I feel like we've laid it out, 474 00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:40,480 Speaker 1: like we've got them. We all understand what ghosts. I 475 00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:42,600 Speaker 1: don't think we really said anything that people are like, 476 00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:46,600 Speaker 1: oh yeah, sure, I didn't realize that's what a ghost is. Um. 477 00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:49,439 Speaker 1: What I found interesting is that there's some really good 478 00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:55,440 Speaker 1: explanations for ghostly activity. Yeah. Sometimes Tracy points out, I 479 00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:58,359 Speaker 1: mean there's so many explanations. There's such a wide range 480 00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:02,040 Speaker 1: from this person just hallucinated something, right, And I want 481 00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:06,520 Speaker 1: to say with that, specifically, we're starting to understand that 482 00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:11,840 Speaker 1: hallucinations are way more common than anybody has admitted for 483 00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:15,200 Speaker 1: a very long time because we are afraid of being 484 00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:19,880 Speaker 1: put away or label is crazy. But people hallucinate more 485 00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:23,879 Speaker 1: than we generally understand they do. And specifically, grief is 486 00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:27,800 Speaker 1: supposed to be able to trigger hallucinations. Pretty really which 487 00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:32,920 Speaker 1: would explain visitation and dead relatives shortly after they die. Yeah. Um, 488 00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:36,480 Speaker 1: we've talked about sleep paralysis before. That's an explanation that 489 00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:39,680 Speaker 1: you hear a lot about someone laying in bed. They 490 00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:43,120 Speaker 1: can't move and they are hallucinating, um, spirits and things. Right, 491 00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:45,600 Speaker 1: they think they're awake, but they're not. Yeah, and you're 492 00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:50,400 Speaker 1: incapable of moving. There's also the hypnogogic trance, which comes 493 00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:53,560 Speaker 1: at the onset of sleep and is a sort of 494 00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:56,960 Speaker 1: trance that supposedly you can hallucinate in. Yeah, I've had 495 00:28:57,000 --> 00:28:58,960 Speaker 1: that happen before, Like in my wake am I sleep 496 00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:03,240 Speaker 1: that I just hear something? Oh yeah, yeah, sure, you know. Um. 497 00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:07,160 Speaker 1: And then sometimes it's just you know, the window shut 498 00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:10,600 Speaker 1: itself because it was loose and the wind blew it, 499 00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:13,800 Speaker 1: or the door shut because there was a draft, or 500 00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:17,080 Speaker 1: it's cold in here because you know there's a draft. 501 00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:20,240 Speaker 1: You know, a lot of times there's just literally an explanation, 502 00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:23,960 Speaker 1: a physical explanation for what happened. So, um, you you 503 00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:27,320 Speaker 1: hit upon. One of the hallmarks of haunting activity is 504 00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:30,480 Speaker 1: a change in temperature and unexplained change in temperature in 505 00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:34,560 Speaker 1: a haunted room when a ghost is present and like 506 00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:36,880 Speaker 1: you said, it's often like a chimney or a drafty 507 00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:40,960 Speaker 1: window or something like that. But people who investigate this 508 00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:45,640 Speaker 1: kind of thing also often explain that phenomenon by um, 509 00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:49,480 Speaker 1: a lack of humidity. Right, Lower humidity can make a 510 00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:52,880 Speaker 1: room feel colder. Right? And what about an area of 511 00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:55,960 Speaker 1: a room? Though I don't know, I mean, I don't 512 00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:59,760 Speaker 1: like that's that's a really good question, dude. How can 513 00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:03,880 Speaker 1: an area of a room be number one colder if 514 00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:05,720 Speaker 1: if there isn't a draft, If it's not a draft, 515 00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:10,520 Speaker 1: it's just like a static area in a room that's cold. Um, 516 00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:13,880 Speaker 1: if there's just a decrease in humidity, what causes the 517 00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:17,280 Speaker 1: decrease in humidity that makes it feel colder? And they 518 00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:22,320 Speaker 1: have found that um areas that are supposedly haunted, well, 519 00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:25,320 Speaker 1: I should say, Richard Wiseman found in one place that 520 00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:29,080 Speaker 1: was supposedly haunted, UM, it tended to be less humid 521 00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:32,320 Speaker 1: than other areas, So that would explain the cold chill. 522 00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:35,640 Speaker 1: But how is one area just a part of a 523 00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:38,720 Speaker 1: room less humid than another. Yeah, and I'm curious about 524 00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:41,720 Speaker 1: what kind of temperature drop people have seen, um, Like 525 00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:45,200 Speaker 1: how drastic it's been. I couldn't find any like reputable 526 00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:48,160 Speaker 1: information on that. Like in the movies, you walk into 527 00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:49,440 Speaker 1: the corner and you can see your breath all of 528 00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:52,680 Speaker 1: a sudden and you're freezing. Yeah, like the sixth sense, right, yeah, yeah, 529 00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:56,760 Speaker 1: that poor kid. Um. But also I wonder then if 530 00:30:56,800 --> 00:31:00,719 Speaker 1: it's not even necessarily a real change in temperature. Supposedly 531 00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:04,240 Speaker 1: ghost hunters can measure changes in temperature in a room 532 00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:06,440 Speaker 1: and that means the ghost is present. Or if it's 533 00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:08,960 Speaker 1: just the sensation of a chill running through your body 534 00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:14,680 Speaker 1: and it's not actually thermal, it's psychological. Yeah, your your 535 00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:17,120 Speaker 1: central nervous system. Yeah, I just got chill bumps earlier. 536 00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:20,880 Speaker 1: You know, you did. What about the electrical fields? That's um, 537 00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:23,400 Speaker 1: A very common thing is for a parent noormal investigator 538 00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:28,760 Speaker 1: to measure magnetic field and electrical fields in an area. Um, 539 00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:31,880 Speaker 1: they will say that this is kind of proof that 540 00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:35,120 Speaker 1: there's some sort of presence there because the you know, 541 00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:40,280 Speaker 1: the Ghostbusters E meter is going crazy? Right, exactly what 542 00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:42,200 Speaker 1: do they call that? I can't believe. We can't remember that. 543 00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:45,480 Speaker 1: I can't remember it either, the one that that Egan 544 00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:48,120 Speaker 1: held up to Uh yeah, yeah, I don't remember what 545 00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:51,200 Speaker 1: it's called. We're going to get in trouble for that. Yeah, sorry, guys. UM, 546 00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:56,360 Speaker 1: But sometimes, UM, these fields can cause wacky things happening 547 00:31:56,360 --> 00:32:00,000 Speaker 1: with the brain, can cause hallucinations, can cause dazziness or 548 00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:04,360 Speaker 1: or other neurological symptoms. And they're saying that might play 549 00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:06,400 Speaker 1: into it, the fact that you think you have seen 550 00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:09,880 Speaker 1: a ghost right there, they're saying. Investigators are saying, yeah, 551 00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:14,040 Speaker 1: there actually is something different here with the UM. The 552 00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:18,200 Speaker 1: area's electrical field, electro magnetic field. There's something going on here. 553 00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:21,520 Speaker 1: But it's possible that that's what's making you think there's 554 00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:23,800 Speaker 1: a ghost here, rather than there's a ghost here and 555 00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:28,280 Speaker 1: it's affecting the field. It's hitting your angular gyrus right, 556 00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:31,280 Speaker 1: that's a part of the brain that UM. Evidently, if 557 00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:35,360 Speaker 1: it's stimulated, you can get the sense that someone's behind 558 00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:38,640 Speaker 1: you mimicking your movements. Yeah, which is pretty creepy. I mean, 559 00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:42,920 Speaker 1: we're we're all familiar with the transcranial magnetic stimulation the 560 00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:46,360 Speaker 1: thinking cap. That's a cool episode. UM. And when you 561 00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:49,240 Speaker 1: apply a magnetic pulse to different parts of the brain, 562 00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:52,240 Speaker 1: different things happen, and one of them is definitely hallucinations. 563 00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:57,360 Speaker 1: And then another example of UM, the magnetic field messing 564 00:32:57,400 --> 00:33:00,440 Speaker 1: with us. I guess is that a lot of haunting 565 00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:06,040 Speaker 1: activity is reported at night, supposedly UM. And that's right exactly, 566 00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:10,080 Speaker 1: that's that's number one. But number two the magnetosphere, you know, 567 00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:14,520 Speaker 1: the the the part of the Earth's atmosphere that protects 568 00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:17,800 Speaker 1: us from the charged ions of solar wind, the way 569 00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:20,560 Speaker 1: that the Earth is arranged to the Sun, the part 570 00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:24,080 Speaker 1: that's in darkness. UM has a larger part of the 571 00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:27,960 Speaker 1: magnetosphere surrounding it, more warped toward that. So that might 572 00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:30,719 Speaker 1: explain it then, right, so it looks like a spider. 573 00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:35,200 Speaker 1: It does, but there's a lot more UM magnetic field 574 00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:37,760 Speaker 1: activity going on in the darker side of Earth, so 575 00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:40,960 Speaker 1: at night that one could be a stretch. Yeah. I 576 00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:44,520 Speaker 1: think my favorite UM explanation that I had not heard 577 00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:47,960 Speaker 1: about is infrasound. I think that's pretty cool. This to 578 00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:51,640 Speaker 1: me is that, Yeah, it's UM low frequency sound waves 579 00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:54,480 Speaker 1: that you cannot hear. You know, with your naked ear, 580 00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:58,840 Speaker 1: you won't notice it, but it can cause your eyes 581 00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:01,240 Speaker 1: to vibrate, it can cause you to see things, you 582 00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:05,600 Speaker 1: can cause a sense of dread. UM and cracked. Actually, 583 00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:08,760 Speaker 1: one of our favorite websites did a test at a concert, 584 00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:12,160 Speaker 1: didn't they Well, they reported on it. There was a 585 00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:15,120 Speaker 1: they don't do test, that's right, they report on test. 586 00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:17,520 Speaker 1: But yeah, there's a great correct article on it. UM. 587 00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:19,600 Speaker 1: And they're talking about In the fifties, a guy named 588 00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:26,239 Speaker 1: Vladismir Vladimir Gavreaux, robotics engineer, noticed that like one of 589 00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:29,520 Speaker 1: his lab assistants was bleeding from an ear. It's not good, 590 00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:33,399 Speaker 1: and traced it to UM to this infrasound. I think 591 00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:37,240 Speaker 1: it's like seven and nineteen hurts and UM. You can't 592 00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:39,799 Speaker 1: hear it, like you don't realize you're hearing sound, but 593 00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:41,960 Speaker 1: you're reacting to it. And like you said, it causes 594 00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:45,279 Speaker 1: all sorts of like weird psychological effects, like a sense 595 00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:50,120 Speaker 1: of dread, a sense that there's somebody else near you. Um, 596 00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:53,960 Speaker 1: all the classic telltale signs of hauntings, so much so 597 00:34:54,080 --> 00:35:00,439 Speaker 1: that they've traced literal like hauntings back to infrasound. Yeah, 598 00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:03,239 Speaker 1: the Ghost in the Machine is an article UM by 599 00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:06,359 Speaker 1: Victandy and Tony Lawrence that the same thing was going 600 00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:08,000 Speaker 1: on there and they traced it back to a fan 601 00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:12,279 Speaker 1: and then they modified the fans housing the sound went 602 00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:16,520 Speaker 1: away and the supposed haunting went away, right exactly. I mean, 603 00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:18,520 Speaker 1: isn't that weird? Though? Like, surely you've been in a 604 00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:20,440 Speaker 1: room before that you just had to turn around and 605 00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:22,520 Speaker 1: run out of because you just knew that there's somebody 606 00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:25,920 Speaker 1: else in there with you. You have, I have plenty 607 00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:29,160 Speaker 1: of times sort of. But I think it's like I've 608 00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:32,040 Speaker 1: been in like Savannah near you know, on the ghost tour. 609 00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:35,360 Speaker 1: Like I'm highly suggestible what I'm saying. But isn't it 610 00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:37,719 Speaker 1: strange to think that a sound that you can't hear 611 00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:41,640 Speaker 1: it was responsible for producing that that? Like we're our 612 00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:45,120 Speaker 1: brains are that malleable that like just a sound we 613 00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:47,400 Speaker 1: can't even hear, but the vibrations we can still sense 614 00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:51,240 Speaker 1: somehow are having an effect on our brain and scaring 615 00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:54,080 Speaker 1: us and making us turn around and run out of yeah, 616 00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:57,400 Speaker 1: and potentially twitching your eye and causing hallucinations. Right, So 617 00:35:57,440 --> 00:36:00,960 Speaker 1: this sound has been shown. NASA showed that um that 618 00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:05,720 Speaker 1: an infrasound at that frequency can make your eye vibrate imperceptibly. 619 00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:09,200 Speaker 1: But then something close to your vision, like say the 620 00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:12,880 Speaker 1: rim of your glasses or something appear, Your brain confuses 621 00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:15,000 Speaker 1: and things that that's moving, So it looks like there's 622 00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:17,600 Speaker 1: a little dark figure moving out of the corner of 623 00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:23,279 Speaker 1: your eye. Infrasound can actually cause visual and audit well 624 00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:27,720 Speaker 1: not auditory hallucination, psychological yeah, psychological effects and visual hallucinations. 625 00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:31,160 Speaker 1: So and the creation of a sense of dread. Yeah, 626 00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:34,960 Speaker 1: that's yeah. I want to get an infrasound machine. It's 627 00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:38,000 Speaker 1: just like played around the office. You know, there may 628 00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:40,040 Speaker 1: already be one here. Well. I don't even think we 629 00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:42,040 Speaker 1: said what the guy did though at the concert? Did 630 00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:45,759 Speaker 1: we know he played? Did he play it? Under the 631 00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:49,560 Speaker 1: concert and people were freaking out? Yeah? I think like 632 00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:52,600 Speaker 1: a quarter of the people at the concert reported feeling 633 00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:58,560 Speaker 1: like horrible dread and like some nausea. Um. Maybe because 634 00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:03,240 Speaker 1: it was a Doctor John show. That's the first awful 635 00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:05,319 Speaker 1: thing I could think of. Dr John's correct. I know, 636 00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:07,680 Speaker 1: I knew you were gonna say that. It really is. 637 00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:09,520 Speaker 1: I mean, like you shoul see that guy played two 638 00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:14,239 Speaker 1: pianos at once. Yeah, he's he's he's a legend. What 639 00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:18,200 Speaker 1: am I talking about? You're thinking of? Um? Maybe Dr 640 00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:22,160 Speaker 1: Hook and the Medicine Show. No Dr Demento. I was 641 00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:23,960 Speaker 1: trying to think of the worst band I can think of, 642 00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:25,640 Speaker 1: and that's the first thing that came to my mind, 643 00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:29,200 Speaker 1: that's who you thought of. Nickelback is out there. Yeah, 644 00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:32,360 Speaker 1: it was a Nickelback show. There. We can fix this 645 00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:37,640 Speaker 1: in editing, Okay, Um, so what else? I think The 646 00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:40,840 Speaker 1: last thing Tracy has here is that, um, the National 647 00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:44,600 Speaker 1: Science Board is actually come out and said that if 648 00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:47,279 Speaker 1: you believe in paranormal it can be dangerous because that 649 00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:50,720 Speaker 1: means you have reduced critical thinking skills and you can't 650 00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:53,200 Speaker 1: make great day to day decisions. It's kind of mean. 651 00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:56,360 Speaker 1: That irked me because on the other end of the spectrum, 652 00:37:56,560 --> 00:37:59,160 Speaker 1: you can definitely make the case that just pooh pooing 653 00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:03,040 Speaker 1: out of hand as non existent anything that science can explain. 654 00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:08,560 Speaker 1: It shows a distinct lack of critical thinking and even 655 00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:12,040 Speaker 1: more dangerously, a lack of imagination, and that irks me 656 00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:14,440 Speaker 1: to no end. Yeah, I enjoyed that you sent me 657 00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:18,600 Speaker 1: the skepdoid. Brian Dunning is that the same his article, 658 00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:20,680 Speaker 1: and I kind of appreciated his approach with this was 659 00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:26,200 Speaker 1: you know, uh, maybe that means there's other cool ways 660 00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:29,560 Speaker 1: to explain these things, right, like don't poopo it. Maybe 661 00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:34,319 Speaker 1: open your mind to other interesting phenomena that can be explained. Well, 662 00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:38,239 Speaker 1: he was saying, don't just assume that if you just 663 00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:42,160 Speaker 1: stop at it was a ghost, then there wasn't. Right, 664 00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:45,520 Speaker 1: then you're you're pursuing. You're just you're not pursuing any longer, 665 00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:47,839 Speaker 1: one way or another. Yea. And yeah, you're you're kind 666 00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:50,480 Speaker 1: of shutting down these avenues that could be really interesting 667 00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:53,600 Speaker 1: and eye opening. I appreciated that. I appreciated his approach 668 00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:56,440 Speaker 1: to because he's a huge skeptic, but he's not. He 669 00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:59,800 Speaker 1: didn't take like a James Randy esque glee or delight 670 00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:03,279 Speaker 1: in destroying the illusions of idiots, you know. Yeah, And 671 00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:05,600 Speaker 1: I think that's his deal period as people. Uh, I 672 00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:08,040 Speaker 1: think he gets accused of that oftentimes, is you know, 673 00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:10,080 Speaker 1: a fun killer and he's like, that's not what I'm 674 00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:13,400 Speaker 1: trying to do here. I'm trying to apply research and 675 00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:16,680 Speaker 1: real science, two things. I think he likes killing fun 676 00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:23,400 Speaker 1: a little bit. Maybe a little bit. So that's ghosts. Yeah, done, 677 00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:28,399 Speaker 1: Yeah for now. If you if you want to learn 678 00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:32,000 Speaker 1: more about ghosts and read a ghost story first firsthand 679 00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:34,480 Speaker 1: account of a ghost story from Tracy Wilson, you can 680 00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:36,839 Speaker 1: type ghosts in the search bar at how stuff works 681 00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:40,120 Speaker 1: dot com. It will bring up this article. And I said, 682 00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:42,279 Speaker 1: how stuff works so it's time for a message break. 683 00:39:42,280 --> 00:40:07,040 Speaker 1: I'll bet now. Listener mail now, listener mail. All right, yeah, 684 00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:10,080 Speaker 1: this is from a teacher. We always like reading these, 685 00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:14,040 Speaker 1: Um Chuck, Josh and Jerry have been listening for over 686 00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:16,839 Speaker 1: a year now, and was never more grateful than about 687 00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:19,920 Speaker 1: a month ago. I wound up driving three preteen boys 688 00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:24,640 Speaker 1: to Space Academy in Huntsville, Alabama. Remember Space Camp? Great movie? 689 00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:27,680 Speaker 1: Uh not really, I never saw the movie. I just 690 00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:30,080 Speaker 1: remember if you didn't see Space Camp. Oh man, that 691 00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:35,520 Speaker 1: was right in the wheelhouse. No, all right, you see. 692 00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:40,200 Speaker 1: I'm a middle school teacher in Morgantown, North Carolina, recently 693 00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:45,040 Speaker 1: relocated from Decatur, Georgia, where I worked at the brick 694 00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:49,200 Speaker 1: Store and squash Blossom Jerry's old hunts Okay Um. Every 695 00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:51,320 Speaker 1: two years, our six and seventh grade students go on 696 00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:53,640 Speaker 1: a trip to the Science Academy. And we're a tiny school, 697 00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:57,440 Speaker 1: just twenty four kids in the entire middle school. Teachers 698 00:40:57,440 --> 00:41:00,320 Speaker 1: frequently end up driving on field trips themselves, about a 699 00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:02,800 Speaker 1: seven hour drive, and on the journey we were plagued 700 00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:05,839 Speaker 1: with traffic, rain, and car sickness. At about hour four, 701 00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:09,080 Speaker 1: when tensions were high, was white and knuckled and began 702 00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:11,359 Speaker 1: questioning my career choice, and I said, screw it, I'm 703 00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:14,680 Speaker 1: gonna put on your podcast about ninjas. They were mesmerized. 704 00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:18,600 Speaker 1: During the rest of our trip, we learned about sword swallowing, bigfoot, 705 00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:20,759 Speaker 1: and surfing, just to name a few. So thank you 706 00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:23,120 Speaker 1: for saving us in our time of need, more pointingly, 707 00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:25,600 Speaker 1: creating a podcast that appeals to all ages. There's a 708 00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:27,200 Speaker 1: show with my thanks, I'd like to teach you a 709 00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:30,440 Speaker 1: tried and true car game, like your podcast, only requires 710 00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:34,000 Speaker 1: uh that a person be young at heart. It's called 711 00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:42,880 Speaker 1: passed around the ether rag as you drive down the road. 712 00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:45,400 Speaker 1: As you drive down the road, take note of all 713 00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:47,560 Speaker 1: the car models you pass in front of the model name. 714 00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:50,760 Speaker 1: Insert any potty word of your choice with middle school 715 00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:53,839 Speaker 1: boys and most likely you two as well. Toilet, puke 716 00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:57,239 Speaker 1: and poop work marvelously. Uh So we ended up with 717 00:41:57,280 --> 00:42:00,000 Speaker 1: a few gyms like the toilet Avalanche, the puke Avenge, 718 00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:04,759 Speaker 1: and the poop Fusion. So many thanks and congratulations on 719 00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:08,160 Speaker 1: all your success. That's Sierra Benton. Thanks a lot, Sierra Benton. 720 00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:10,520 Speaker 1: That's a great email. I'm glad we could help you out. 721 00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:14,480 Speaker 1: Keep your saying the poop fusion. That's pretty solid band name. 722 00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:18,600 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah yeah, um yeah. We get a lot of 723 00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:22,359 Speaker 1: email about how like we keep people saying during their 724 00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:25,960 Speaker 1: everyday lives. Yeah, I'm glad, I'm but we're helping. 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