WEBVTT - Tiffany Meets World 0:00:22.720 --> 0:00:24.640 So you know how some of the breakups that you've 0:00:24.640 --> 0:00:31.200 had in your life are difficult, some are easier and breakups. 0:00:31.240 --> 0:00:35.120 It's right, writers been with Alex for his entire life. 0:00:35.440 --> 0:00:38.720 No, but like some people just don't want to let 0:00:38.720 --> 0:00:41.680 you go no matter what you do, they just don't. 0:00:41.800 --> 0:00:47.480 I've I've had that recently, Yes, where no matter how 0:00:47.520 --> 0:00:51.760 hard I try to leave, termin X just doesn't want 0:00:51.800 --> 0:00:55.360 to take up. I started dating Organ. We're in a 0:00:55.480 --> 0:00:56.720 very healthy relationship. 0:00:58.480 --> 0:01:04.080 Every day, halls and texts starting at eight am, actual 0:01:04.080 --> 0:01:05.120 physical people calling. 0:01:05.200 --> 0:01:06.119 No, they're not like. 0:01:07.000 --> 0:01:11.040 It's termin X. I think we can work this out. 0:01:11.400 --> 0:01:12.360 Do you like? 0:01:12.400 --> 0:01:12.680 I know? 0:01:12.800 --> 0:01:16.720 You answer no, I just there'll be voicemails like you 0:01:16.720 --> 0:01:18.760 could tell they've been drinking, they've been up on that time. 0:01:19.840 --> 0:01:20.679 It's sad. 0:01:20.959 --> 0:01:22.160 Why did you break up with them? 0:01:22.680 --> 0:01:25.200 Because they were expensive and they weren't really doing much 0:01:25.200 --> 0:01:26.839 and the Organ guy really cute. 0:01:27.400 --> 0:01:30.320 It just it was new, it was exciting, and so 0:01:31.360 --> 0:01:33.080 it seems like it was healthier. It seems like he 0:01:33.160 --> 0:01:34.000 made the right decision. 0:01:34.080 --> 0:01:37.360 They were listening to me, Danielle. So what it was 0:01:37.480 --> 0:01:39.319 as opposed to just we've. 0:01:39.240 --> 0:01:40.800 Been with we've been with the you know you're with 0:01:40.840 --> 0:01:42.800 somebody for three four years and they start to kind 0:01:42.840 --> 0:01:44.280 of like, well I didn't need to get all the 0:01:44.319 --> 0:01:46.200 cobwebs or all the spiders, and it's like, oh, you're 0:01:46.200 --> 0:01:47.760 phoning in our relationship right now. 0:01:48.120 --> 0:01:51.600 So I don't even know what termin XINX is just 0:01:51.640 --> 0:01:54.600 kind of anork and it's pest control exactly. You know, 0:01:55.320 --> 0:01:56.680 you pay them on a regular basis. 0:01:56.840 --> 0:01:58.160 It's a monthly service. 0:01:57.840 --> 0:02:00.360 And they come they come to my house twice month. 0:02:00.600 --> 0:02:04.840 Termin X or ORCD Western. Oh my god, you're with 0:02:04.880 --> 0:02:06.480 a third par okay. Interesting. 0:02:07.120 --> 0:02:09.040 So I'm in a relationship now with orcan but termin 0:02:09.200 --> 0:02:11.200 X this morning eight am. 0:02:11.280 --> 0:02:15.000 Hey, it's termin X. Just thinking about you, just wondering 0:02:15.000 --> 0:02:17.360 what you're up to. And I'm good without you. 0:02:17.520 --> 0:02:19.160 But if you know, if you did ever want to 0:02:19.160 --> 0:02:20.720 come back, I'm sure we could work something. 0:02:20.919 --> 0:02:23.400 It's unbelievab. I've never had a breakup like this in 0:02:23.400 --> 0:02:24.239 my life. They won't me. 0:02:24.960 --> 0:02:28.280 Yeah, I mean I get it, you're hard to you're 0:02:28.280 --> 0:02:29.280 hard to leave will. 0:02:29.440 --> 0:02:32.760 I understand it too, But sometimes you gotta let go. 0:02:32.800 --> 0:02:35.600 For the word man I did. I did recently get 0:02:35.639 --> 0:02:37.600 an email from an ex that I have not spoken 0:02:37.639 --> 0:02:44.079 to in thirteen years. 0:02:44.160 --> 0:02:46.480 If they had your your email or. 0:02:46.760 --> 0:02:48.520 Yes, I knew that they I knew that they had 0:02:48.560 --> 0:02:54.079 my email, but like thirteen we've not said one word 0:02:54.120 --> 0:02:56.160 to each other for thirteen years. 0:02:56.400 --> 0:02:57.800 Was it a good reach out? 0:02:58.560 --> 0:02:59.720 He was asking for money? 0:03:00.240 --> 0:03:06.639 Oh no, yeah, that's that's so sad. You're gonna say 0:03:06.639 --> 0:03:09.519 it was like, you know, hey, I've been thinking about. 0:03:09.720 --> 0:03:14.480 Yeah, I wanted to apologize, So go fund me. 0:03:15.160 --> 0:03:15.520 Hmmm. 0:03:18.360 --> 0:03:19.880 I thought i'd send it to your other email. 0:03:19.960 --> 0:03:24.040 Go fund me, go you. 0:03:29.120 --> 0:03:30.400 That's the shirt I want. 0:03:30.560 --> 0:03:34.840 Go fund me, go go fund me. 0:03:44.400 --> 0:03:47.200 That's tough, so yes, please termin x. I've moved on. 0:03:47.360 --> 0:03:48.760 Check out Western. Check out Western. 0:03:48.800 --> 0:03:50.360 I might have to check out Western because I'm having 0:03:50.400 --> 0:03:53.120 I have a rat problem right now in the controls, 0:03:54.000 --> 0:03:55.720 so they have to before I get a new heater, 0:03:55.800 --> 0:03:57.480 they have to go in and get the rat, which. 0:03:57.320 --> 0:04:02.680 I think Western is actually part of their is a 0:04:02.760 --> 0:04:07.920 rat Western Western. That would be exactly what I'm looking for. 0:04:09.960 --> 0:04:12.440 You know, I think Western's really big on the rats. 0:04:12.480 --> 0:04:14.560 They're good at They're good at them. Yeah, so maybe 0:04:14.640 --> 0:04:15.120 check them out. 0:04:15.600 --> 0:04:16.080 Check them out. 0:04:16.279 --> 0:04:18.400 Oh my god, I saw a third date. I don't know. 0:04:19.520 --> 0:04:23.480 It's so hard. Welcome to pod meets World I'm Daniel Fishel. 0:04:23.240 --> 0:04:25.000 I'm Rider Strong, and I'm Wilfordale. 0:04:37.560 --> 0:04:41.200 Well before Britney Spears or Sabrina Carpenter or even a 0:04:41.200 --> 0:04:44.200 group of k pops singing demon hunters, the fate of 0:04:44.279 --> 0:04:48.040 our country's pop stars rested in, of all places, your 0:04:48.160 --> 0:04:52.000 local shopping mall. In the eighties and nineties, these centers 0:04:52.040 --> 0:04:56.160 of commerce were the primary social space for teenagers and 0:04:56.200 --> 0:05:00.000 young adults. Whether it was wet Seal Miller's out posts, 0:05:00.160 --> 0:05:02.960 Merry Go Round, or just in front of a hot 0:05:02.960 --> 0:05:06.000 dog on a stick, this is where we hung out 0:05:06.240 --> 0:05:10.160 every weekend, sipping an orange Julius, playing in the arcade, 0:05:10.520 --> 0:05:13.120 or just standing by a payphone waiting for the boy 0:05:13.200 --> 0:05:13.880 or girl you like. 0:05:13.960 --> 0:05:14.560 To walk by. 0:05:15.120 --> 0:05:18.200 And as a result, instead of trying to pull prepubescent 0:05:18.279 --> 0:05:22.279 fans into clubs or concert halls, record labels brought the 0:05:22.400 --> 0:05:25.760 artists directly to them to the mall for what they 0:05:25.800 --> 0:05:31.279 would creatively call a mall tour. These public appearances guaranteed 0:05:31.400 --> 0:05:35.039 built in foot traffic and an audience already primed to discover, 0:05:35.320 --> 0:05:39.160 shop and spend. Since the pre Internet music business depended 0:05:39.200 --> 0:05:42.640 solely on local buzz and radio play, these new marketing 0:05:42.680 --> 0:05:46.799 activations in the form of performances, autograph signings, and live 0:05:46.880 --> 0:05:51.000 radio broadcasts broke artists regionally in hopes it would spread 0:05:51.120 --> 0:05:52.600 like syphilis throughout the. 0:05:52.480 --> 0:05:56.240 Greater United States, despite the fact that it originated near 0:05:56.279 --> 0:05:57.679 a neighborhood. 0:05:57.080 --> 0:06:01.080 Can tempo casuals, and our Guests this Week didn't just 0:06:01.160 --> 0:06:04.520 benefit from them all to her craze, she practically invented it. 0:06:04.960 --> 0:06:07.800 Her nineteen eighty seven cover of Tommy James and the 0:06:07.880 --> 0:06:11.400 Chondell's I Think We're Alone Now rocketed her from the 0:06:11.440 --> 0:06:14.960 food Court to number one on the Billboard Charts, where 0:06:15.000 --> 0:06:18.240 she also became the youngest female artist to ever claim 0:06:18.320 --> 0:06:21.440 the top spot with a debut album, and later that 0:06:21.560 --> 0:06:24.920 year she'd start performing in much bigger venues now with 0:06:24.960 --> 0:06:27.480 a young, upstart boy band at the time. 0:06:27.400 --> 0:06:30.560 A little group called the New Kids on the Block. 0:06:30.839 --> 0:06:34.599 And just last month, almost forty years later, like all 0:06:34.640 --> 0:06:38.080 great things from the eighties, she came roaring back thanks 0:06:38.080 --> 0:06:41.160 to Stranger Things, which featured I Think We're Alone Now 0:06:41.200 --> 0:06:46.440 in their fifth season, suddenly sending her into international streaming charts. 0:06:46.720 --> 0:06:50.440 So this week on Podmeats World, we are definitely not alone. 0:06:50.880 --> 0:06:54.920 Welcome to the show, eighties pop icon Tiffany. 0:06:55.600 --> 0:07:02.200 Hello, holy guys or you, how are you good? 0:07:02.520 --> 0:07:04.600 Thank you so much for joining us. This is an 0:07:04.600 --> 0:07:05.240 honor I do. 0:07:05.400 --> 0:07:08.560 Before I jump into our interview, I am wondering if 0:07:08.600 --> 0:07:12.320 you can confirm a story for me about a time 0:07:12.400 --> 0:07:16.200 when we met in the nineties, and you have to 0:07:16.200 --> 0:07:18.520 tell me how far because okay, so I because my 0:07:18.600 --> 0:07:22.600 memory is very shoddy, but I am pretty sure did 0:07:22.680 --> 0:07:25.239 we have a karaoke night. 0:07:25.280 --> 0:07:29.560 Together with Lance? Back with Lance and Vince Vaughn and 0:07:29.800 --> 0:07:30.960 Janet Jacks. 0:07:30.600 --> 0:07:34.400 Girl that like the microphone? And yes, and I was 0:07:34.440 --> 0:07:39.520 a big Debbie Gibson. Are you kidding? I think later? 0:07:39.640 --> 0:07:41.320 I don't have to remember dad. 0:07:41.400 --> 0:07:45.080 Okay, five hundred episodes of pre show chatter and this 0:07:45.120 --> 0:07:46.760 is the first time we're about this. 0:07:47.040 --> 0:07:47.600 I'm kidding. 0:07:47.880 --> 0:07:50.120 I don't remember dead, to be honest with you. 0:07:50.080 --> 0:07:54.720 Okay, don't you remember Janet? She did yeah, and she 0:07:54.800 --> 0:07:55.360 did not sing. 0:07:56.280 --> 0:07:59.600 Oh, I don't know. I remember Vince Vaughn, and I 0:07:59.640 --> 0:08:05.000 remember uh Land Land Course and uh and I remember 0:08:05.600 --> 0:08:11.120 boycotting the Planet originally because we were like eating downtown 0:08:11.880 --> 0:08:13.480 and they were like, We're gonna go this club and 0:08:13.520 --> 0:08:17.119 do karaoke, and I was like, oh, I probably won't 0:08:17.160 --> 0:08:20.200 go because I don't really do karaoke. It's just really 0:08:20.240 --> 0:08:23.800 not my thing. And a couple of cocktails later and 0:08:23.840 --> 0:08:26.760 then I was like, okay, you know, and I came 0:08:26.800 --> 0:08:28.960 over there and I remember just going, oh. 0:08:28.920 --> 0:08:31.080 My god, I know the song, got I know the song. 0:08:31.120 --> 0:08:33.040 They were like okay, girl like, and we had the 0:08:33.080 --> 0:08:37.200 microphone and I was time. So I remember the evening, 0:08:37.559 --> 0:08:40.320 but I became a little karaoke my cock that night. 0:08:40.440 --> 0:08:41.640 I was sobered. 0:08:41.840 --> 0:08:42.840 That's so funny. 0:08:43.720 --> 0:08:47.160 I went not doing karaoke too. I know every song 0:08:47.160 --> 0:08:50.080 because I will do it. So we were and I 0:08:50.320 --> 0:08:52.280 just like and I remember we had a great time. 0:08:52.320 --> 0:08:54.599 It was the first time I met Vince Vawn and 0:08:54.800 --> 0:08:56.800 of course Lance and I've been buddies for a while, 0:08:56.920 --> 0:08:59.280 so it was great to like hang out. I don't 0:08:59.280 --> 0:09:02.960 remember Deadbie in there, and do you remember you Janet? 0:09:03.080 --> 0:09:05.480 Actually Janet was there, and that it is true that 0:09:05.559 --> 0:09:07.079 I didn't remember if Debbie was there. 0:09:07.120 --> 0:09:09.840 That was the thing. I was like, am I adding any. 0:09:10.080 --> 0:09:13.760 Actually came to dinner and said hello, but didn't go. 0:09:14.320 --> 0:09:15.199 I don't think she. 0:09:15.240 --> 0:09:18.800 Went yeah, wow, do you remember that time we went 0:09:18.800 --> 0:09:19.840 bowling with the cast of friends? 0:09:19.880 --> 0:09:22.400 And Tom cruise. Oh yeah, yeah, that was awesome. 0:09:22.440 --> 0:09:24.360 We just never mentioned it. No, we never brought that 0:09:24.440 --> 0:09:24.840 out to it. 0:09:24.840 --> 0:09:26.840 It was just so totally cool. Remember Tom, I was 0:09:26.840 --> 0:09:27.120 doing that. 0:09:27.400 --> 0:09:29.280 Yeah, when Tom showed you how to bowl, like he 0:09:29.440 --> 0:09:32.640 became a bowl the tom cake? 0:09:32.679 --> 0:09:34.199 How's the tom cake you get every year? 0:09:34.280 --> 0:09:38.880 You know? Since my my my little night out though, 0:09:39.440 --> 0:09:42.199 again because I was like, no, I don't really karaoke, 0:09:42.640 --> 0:09:46.120 and then I just remember being a total like everybody going, 0:09:46.280 --> 0:09:47.800 oh my god, are we going to get a chance. 0:09:47.960 --> 0:09:49.040 That's so funny? 0:09:50.040 --> 0:09:52.920 And you want to sing it to us if it helps. 0:09:52.640 --> 0:09:55.040 If it makes you feel any better about the night. 0:09:55.120 --> 0:09:57.880 I didn't remember you being a micg so you know, 0:09:58.720 --> 0:10:00.800 it's not like anybody walked awa away from it going 0:10:00.840 --> 0:10:02.120 gosh that Tiffany did? 0:10:03.760 --> 0:10:05.080 I did? Yeah? 0:10:05.520 --> 0:10:08.280 We all say together. I did. I did have buddies. 0:10:08.280 --> 0:10:09.520 I did wrangle in other people. 0:10:09.679 --> 0:10:11.240 We did, we didn't. I think we did. 0:10:11.400 --> 0:10:12.000 Hear the songs. 0:10:12.440 --> 0:10:14.400 I think I did a duet. I don't think I did, like, 0:10:14.600 --> 0:10:15.880 so did I think her alone? 0:10:16.000 --> 0:10:20.160 Now? I remember that, Yes, yes, and we did the 0:10:20.280 --> 0:10:21.680 dance the whole mon yard. 0:10:21.920 --> 0:10:24.360 It's ironic that you did. I think you're alone now, together. 0:10:27.760 --> 0:10:30.480 It's the requirement of mine nowadays. I don't want to 0:10:30.480 --> 0:10:34.280 be alone the girl alone. Why am I alone? I don't. 0:10:36.679 --> 0:10:39.240 I want to go to start the interview. I want 0:10:39.240 --> 0:10:43.240 to go all the way back to Star Search. It's 0:10:43.360 --> 0:10:47.000 a nostalgic hallmark for us. And you finished second place. 0:10:47.120 --> 0:10:51.079 You were only fourteen years old. What do you remember 0:10:51.320 --> 0:10:52.760 from the Star Search experience? 0:10:53.040 --> 0:10:56.760 I actually think I was twelve at the time. Wow, really, 0:10:57.320 --> 0:11:01.040 And I remember me Laura. I think her name was 0:11:01.880 --> 0:11:07.120 Melaura Hard. No, no, it wasn't Malaura. It wasn't it was. 0:11:08.520 --> 0:11:10.280 I forget, Oh gosh, I forget her last name. But 0:11:10.280 --> 0:11:14.000 her first name was Laura, but wasn't Malaura Harden? And 0:11:14.080 --> 0:11:18.000 she came out and she like was ponytail girl, and 0:11:18.080 --> 0:11:21.880 she was you know all that because I started off 0:11:21.880 --> 0:11:25.520 in country at nine years old, and I just learned 0:11:25.520 --> 0:11:28.320 that if you want to sing, which I did. You know, 0:11:28.360 --> 0:11:30.480 I drove my family nuts by the time I was 0:11:30.480 --> 0:11:32.880 like four or five, always singing in my bedroom. My 0:11:32.960 --> 0:11:36.440 family didn't know anything about the music industry. So my 0:11:36.480 --> 0:11:38.679 stepfather said, well, this is what you want to do, 0:11:38.960 --> 0:11:41.200 then you'll hop up here and sing in front of everybody, 0:11:41.440 --> 0:11:43.840 which was not a problem and then. 0:11:43.800 --> 0:11:46.160 Are you are you thinking of Melissa Moultrie? 0:11:46.520 --> 0:11:51.400 I am, thank you, thank you. Laura Harden I took 0:11:52.240 --> 0:11:56.160 acting classes from her mom, Diana Hard Actually laur Laura 0:11:56.280 --> 0:11:59.600 became a friend of mine later on. So yeah, the 0:11:59.600 --> 0:12:03.840 the backstory of Tiffany. So again my family not knowing 0:12:03.960 --> 0:12:07.880 anything about the music industry, it was all just kind 0:12:07.880 --> 0:12:12.720 of connections. We started singing at the VFW Club in Norwalk, 0:12:13.120 --> 0:12:15.079 where the band said, well, you've got to do this, 0:12:15.200 --> 0:12:16.679 and then you've got to go into LA and you've 0:12:16.720 --> 0:12:19.200 got to have headshots and you've got to do acting 0:12:19.240 --> 0:12:23.120 classes and modeling classes and dancing classes and all of that. 0:12:23.280 --> 0:12:27.360 So we became in the little circuit there and then 0:12:27.400 --> 0:12:29.720 someone said, well, you know, of course you've got us 0:12:29.720 --> 0:12:33.560 start auditioning for all of these commercials or talk shows, 0:12:33.600 --> 0:12:37.320 whatever it was. And I got the episode for Star Search, 0:12:38.040 --> 0:12:43.280 and I remember going to the audition and seeing all 0:12:43.320 --> 0:12:46.640 the other girls and you know, they were like fresh 0:12:46.679 --> 0:12:50.280 face and all of that, and somebody said, well, she'll 0:12:50.320 --> 0:12:53.760 needs some work for her performance skills if they will 0:12:53.760 --> 0:12:55.920 need to work on that, because she's a great voice, 0:12:56.240 --> 0:12:58.800 but she needs to open up. So they took me 0:12:58.840 --> 0:13:03.400 to the valley. Okay, I'm from East LA, originally Norwalk, 0:13:03.720 --> 0:13:05.760 and they took me to the valley to this hippy 0:13:05.840 --> 0:13:11.679 dippy dippy do studio where this like guru acting teacher 0:13:11.880 --> 0:13:15.520 was like, okay, so you're gonna feel it and you're 0:13:15.559 --> 0:13:19.920 gonna like be really really like you're in into yourself. 0:13:20.360 --> 0:13:23.600 And then I'm seeing I Am love Jennifer Holiday and 0:13:23.640 --> 0:13:26.160 you're like and then all of a sudden, you're gonna 0:13:26.240 --> 0:13:31.040 see me, and then you're gonna walk out. And I 0:13:31.160 --> 0:13:35.120 was like, all right, okay, this seems weird, Like why 0:13:35.160 --> 0:13:38.120 don't I just perform? But I guess I'm doing it wrong. 0:13:38.559 --> 0:13:41.560 So that's what we did on Star Search. But we 0:13:41.720 --> 0:13:46.280 also dressed me in a tuxedo, which was advised as well. 0:13:46.280 --> 0:13:50.160 Ocean Meek costume me, so I looked like a scared 0:13:50.200 --> 0:13:54.280 stuff penguin to me, I was just looking at me. 0:13:56.000 --> 0:14:00.160 And then that performance from Hell in my opinion, and 0:14:00.200 --> 0:14:03.240 here Melaura comes out and she's just like, you know 0:14:03.640 --> 0:14:05.839 whatever she did with her little ponytail, and she was 0:14:05.960 --> 0:14:08.360 cuter than life. And I remember watching her before and 0:14:08.440 --> 0:14:12.880 before I did, going oh, she's won it right. That 0:14:12.960 --> 0:14:15.760 was adorable, you know, I mean, she just had it, 0:14:15.800 --> 0:14:18.600 and why am I doing all this extra stuff that's 0:14:18.679 --> 0:14:21.800 not really ingrained in me? So I think that was 0:14:21.840 --> 0:14:26.480 the first time. Of course, you take advice and you 0:14:26.520 --> 0:14:30.680 could be wrong, but I really went against the grain 0:14:30.760 --> 0:14:33.960 on that one for what my intuition was. And then 0:14:33.960 --> 0:14:37.240 when I lost, I remember crying, but I was like, 0:14:37.880 --> 0:14:41.320 I understand why I lost. That was pretty good. I mean, 0:14:41.600 --> 0:14:43.600 but you you. 0:14:43.920 --> 0:14:47.200 Definitely had the last word with the show however. I mean, 0:14:47.240 --> 0:14:50.400 you were the first person to have a number one 0:14:51.000 --> 0:14:54.160 by any recorded by any contestant, So you may have 0:14:54.200 --> 0:14:57.040 come in second place, but you definitely had the last word. 0:14:57.080 --> 0:14:58.600 I mean it was only two years later then you 0:14:58.640 --> 0:15:02.040 would release your debut out them, the self titled Tiffany. 0:15:02.440 --> 0:15:06.920 So how did it progress from runner up to big 0:15:06.960 --> 0:15:08.160 record deal so quickly? 0:15:09.320 --> 0:15:11.040 Well, we, I mean we stayed in the circuit. I 0:15:11.080 --> 0:15:13.360 mean again once my parents were like, Okay, I guess 0:15:13.360 --> 0:15:15.280 she has to take acting class and she just do this, 0:15:15.600 --> 0:15:18.120 and again running me back and forth to LA was 0:15:18.160 --> 0:15:21.400 not convenient, but again it was something I wanted to do, 0:15:21.680 --> 0:15:24.160 and so my parents were like, you know, we'll try 0:15:24.200 --> 0:15:26.680 it for a while. Uh, and my you know, we 0:15:26.680 --> 0:15:29.120 were able to do it. On the weekends. My mom was, 0:15:29.360 --> 0:15:32.040 you know, stay at home mom, so she could drive me. 0:15:32.080 --> 0:15:35.760 My my real father got involved. At one time. I 0:15:35.840 --> 0:15:38.280 had my aunts, you know, that were recruited to drive 0:15:38.320 --> 0:15:42.040 me to audition. It was a family affair, literally, and 0:15:42.120 --> 0:15:44.200 to the point where I was actually staying up in 0:15:44.440 --> 0:15:47.760 LA with a family friend so I could be closer 0:15:47.800 --> 0:15:50.880 to auditions because you know, sometimes you get you know, 0:15:50.960 --> 0:15:53.880 that call, and you just have to run. So during 0:15:53.920 --> 0:15:56.920 the summer I was able to do that, and that 0:15:57.000 --> 0:15:59.280 was a little different from me, but you know, that 0:15:59.440 --> 0:16:01.960 led me to meeting a lot of different people. I 0:16:02.000 --> 0:16:04.720 was told, you have to do demos. We didn't even 0:16:04.720 --> 0:16:07.160 know what a demo was. So we were putting songs 0:16:07.200 --> 0:16:11.160 together and I worked My first producer was Bobby Sherman actually, 0:16:12.440 --> 0:16:16.000 and I went to his studio and recorded some songs there, 0:16:16.560 --> 0:16:19.360 and then I worked with a bunch of other people, 0:16:19.400 --> 0:16:21.800 thinking I was going to do rock music at one point, 0:16:22.720 --> 0:16:27.240 because you know, I had turned from country to rock music. 0:16:27.360 --> 0:16:29.720 I had an older cousin who I used to sneaker 0:16:30.200 --> 0:16:33.160 her vinyls and listened to them, and that's where I 0:16:33.160 --> 0:16:37.040 found Stevie Nix and Heart and I was like Pat 0:16:37.600 --> 0:16:39.520 was like, I want to be these ladies, you know. 0:16:40.400 --> 0:16:42.800 So I did some rock demos, but people were like, 0:16:42.840 --> 0:16:45.520 how old are you. You're twelve, that's never going to 0:16:45.560 --> 0:16:47.400 work out. Come back when you're older. 0:16:47.840 --> 0:16:51.280 So you started with country because that's what your parents 0:16:51.280 --> 0:16:51.680 were into. 0:16:51.880 --> 0:16:52.080 Is that? 0:16:52.200 --> 0:16:53.280 Like they okay. 0:16:53.440 --> 0:16:55.800 Left country music, but yes, that's what was playing in 0:16:55.840 --> 0:16:58.800 my Homecha. So I actually came to Nashville for the 0:16:58.920 --> 0:17:01.440 very first time. I live now in Nashville. I've been 0:17:01.480 --> 0:17:05.240 here seventeen years, but I came the first time when 0:17:05.240 --> 0:17:08.280 I was ten. And my manager at that time was 0:17:08.400 --> 0:17:12.680 may Axidon Hoyd accent member Joy to the World, Dolla Too. 0:17:13.720 --> 0:17:16.040 He wrote that for three Dog Night. But he also 0:17:16.280 --> 0:17:21.719 was the dad in Gremlins. Yes, so Hoy became a 0:17:21.720 --> 0:17:26.400 good family friend after my dad, like, you know, basically 0:17:27.560 --> 0:17:30.200 beat him down with my daughter. My daughter wants to 0:17:30.280 --> 0:17:33.840 sing at every stop along his tour, my dad would 0:17:33.920 --> 0:17:37.679 follow him around California, and you know, of course he 0:17:38.480 --> 0:17:41.679 had the security guards first, then the tour manager, and 0:17:41.720 --> 0:17:46.600 then finally after many attempts, you know, he got up 0:17:46.840 --> 0:17:50.080 got Hoyt's attention and Hoy goes, I heard about you. 0:17:50.080 --> 0:17:52.320 You're the guy with the daughter that wants to sing. 0:17:52.440 --> 0:17:55.040 I got it. I got the message. You know what, 0:17:55.200 --> 0:17:57.879 come on the bus. Let's put this tape in and 0:17:58.000 --> 0:18:01.760 hear what she sounds like, you know. And he put 0:18:01.760 --> 0:18:04.119 the tape in and he looked at my daddy said, okay, 0:18:04.119 --> 0:18:06.560 this is weird. You're telling me this girl's nine years old. 0:18:06.600 --> 0:18:08.920 She sounds like a thirty year old girl. And my 0:18:09.000 --> 0:18:10.920 dad said, oh, yeah, I know. She's got a really 0:18:10.960 --> 0:18:13.080 good voice. I think you know, I mean, you know, 0:18:13.720 --> 0:18:16.919 he goes, all right, bring her here tomorrow night. She 0:18:17.000 --> 0:18:18.919 can't come in the club, but she can stand outside 0:18:19.000 --> 0:18:21.240 the door. I'll have her up for two numbers. Joy 0:18:21.280 --> 0:18:23.640 to the world. And what else does she sing? And 0:18:23.760 --> 0:18:26.280 my dad said, well, she sings Delta Dawn. You know, 0:18:26.359 --> 0:18:29.320 that's her favorite song. So so I did. I got 0:18:29.400 --> 0:18:31.879 up with a void and again the reaction to my 0:18:31.960 --> 0:18:35.920 voice at that time was that's weird. You're a little girl, 0:18:35.960 --> 0:18:38.200 but you sound like an old lady, like what's happening here? 0:18:38.520 --> 0:18:40.359 So that was it, and he said, you know, I 0:18:40.400 --> 0:18:43.119 don't know what else to do but to send you 0:18:43.160 --> 0:18:45.720 to my mom out in Nashville. So I came out 0:18:45.720 --> 0:18:49.040 here when I was ten and recorded demos, did all 0:18:49.040 --> 0:18:52.520 the circuit, did all the shows, but you know, I 0:18:52.640 --> 0:18:55.280 was ten, there was no material for me to sing. 0:18:55.720 --> 0:18:59.520 I wasn't divorced by then, I wasn't struggling with the 0:18:59.600 --> 0:19:04.960 dicks in her booze. I'm yeah, I don't have no 0:19:05.080 --> 0:19:07.560 man to stand by at the time, so you know, 0:19:08.080 --> 0:19:10.879 they were really struggling for material and I was just 0:19:10.920 --> 0:19:14.840 advised to keep coming back. But by that time, I went, 0:19:15.000 --> 0:19:18.199 you know, like I said, back to LA and just 0:19:18.240 --> 0:19:20.479 started doing a lot of like the acting and dancing, 0:19:20.480 --> 0:19:21.760 and that's when I did Star Search. 0:19:22.320 --> 0:19:24.640 So when did you How did you then find out 0:19:24.800 --> 0:19:27.359 that you were going to be doing a debut album 0:19:27.920 --> 0:19:28.680 called Tiffany. 0:19:30.320 --> 0:19:36.280 I was doing another demo in Burbank, California, and the 0:19:36.400 --> 0:19:40.440 producer who owned the studio walked into the session and 0:19:40.760 --> 0:19:44.600 was like, who is singing that? And you know, I 0:19:44.640 --> 0:19:47.520 was like, I'm over here. It was like again, this 0:19:47.720 --> 0:19:50.600 is this young girl singing this. At that time, I 0:19:50.640 --> 0:19:53.960 was fourteen, and he goes, I don't know anything about 0:19:54.000 --> 0:19:56.240 country music. Because I went back to country. I was 0:19:56.320 --> 0:20:00.840 kind of doing edgy country, and he said, I don't 0:20:00.880 --> 0:20:03.679 know anything about country music, but you know, I what 0:20:03.760 --> 0:20:06.000 about pop music. I'd love to, you know, so literally 0:20:06.040 --> 0:20:08.959 he pulled me into the lobby, got a guitar and 0:20:09.000 --> 0:20:12.159 started singing. I saw him standing there, started singing a 0:20:12.160 --> 0:20:15.679 bunch of other songs and just finding my range really, 0:20:16.359 --> 0:20:17.879 and then said, you know, I want to make a 0:20:17.920 --> 0:20:22.480 meeting with your parents. And at that time, my stepmother 0:20:22.520 --> 0:20:25.240 and my dad were getting a divorce, so I was 0:20:25.280 --> 0:20:28.920 staying with my real father, and he did not want 0:20:28.920 --> 0:20:31.800 me in the music industry, you know, although he had been, 0:20:33.080 --> 0:20:36.359 you know, taking me to auditions and he was, you know, 0:20:36.480 --> 0:20:38.919 helping my parents and everybody kind of got along in 0:20:38.960 --> 0:20:43.639 my family, but he just really thought, you know, I 0:20:43.680 --> 0:20:45.520 don't know, now that I've seen it, she might get 0:20:45.520 --> 0:20:48.240 her heart broken. You know, it's a really kind of 0:20:48.400 --> 0:20:51.520 canby a shady industry. I really rather her go to 0:20:51.560 --> 0:20:55.000 school and go to college, although she's talented. So he 0:20:55.119 --> 0:20:58.880 was very reluctant, but we won him over, and then 0:20:58.960 --> 0:21:02.000 we had that meeting with George. And then at that 0:21:02.160 --> 0:21:05.280 point my mom was more stable where I could go 0:21:05.320 --> 0:21:08.320 and live with her, and you know, and so my 0:21:08.359 --> 0:21:11.040 mom's side the contract and that was that was it. 0:21:11.080 --> 0:21:14.840 I was fourteen when I recorded the album, and even 0:21:14.920 --> 0:21:18.960 then we had people really reluctant to sign me to 0:21:19.040 --> 0:21:23.199 a major label. So I was going in with my 0:21:23.359 --> 0:21:28.880 bunk box to UH to crash. Literally luncheons had all 0:21:28.880 --> 0:21:32.159 these executive luncheons and I would just you know, we 0:21:32.200 --> 0:21:35.560 did one for Clive Davis. I remember George was like, look, 0:21:35.720 --> 0:21:38.240