Speaker 1: So you know how some of the breakups that you've
Speaker 1: had in your life are difficult, some are easier and breakups.
Speaker 2: It's right, writers been with Alex for his entire life.
Speaker 1: No, but like some people just don't want to let
Speaker 1: you go no matter what you do, they just don't.
Speaker 2: I've I've had that recently, Yes, where no matter how
Speaker 2: hard I try to leave, termin X just doesn't want
Speaker 2: to take up. I started dating Organ. We're in a
Speaker 2: very healthy relationship.
Speaker 1: Every day, halls and texts starting at eight am, actual
Speaker 1: physical people calling.
Speaker 3: No, they're not like.
Speaker 2: It's termin X. I think we can work this out.
Speaker 2: Do you like?
Speaker 3: I know?
Speaker 1: You answer no, I just there'll be voicemails like you
Speaker 1: could tell they've been drinking, they've been up on that time.
Speaker 2: It's sad.
Speaker 4: Why did you break up with them?
Speaker 1: Because they were expensive and they weren't really doing much
Speaker 1: and the Organ guy really cute.
Speaker 3: It just it was new, it was exciting, and so
Speaker 3: it seems like it was healthier. It seems like he
Speaker 3: made the right decision.
Speaker 2: They were listening to me, Danielle. So what it was
Speaker 2: as opposed to just we've.
Speaker 1: Been with we've been with the you know you're with
Speaker 1: somebody for three four years and they start to kind
Speaker 1: of like, well I didn't need to get all the
Speaker 1: cobwebs or all the spiders, and it's like, oh, you're
Speaker 1: phoning in our relationship right now.
Speaker 3: So I don't even know what termin XINX is just
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Speaker 3: you pay them on a regular basis.
Speaker 2: It's a monthly service.
Speaker 4: And they come they come to my house twice month.
Speaker 2: Termin X or ORCD Western. Oh my god, you're with
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Speaker 1: So I'm in a relationship now with orcan but termin
Speaker 1: X this morning eight am.
Speaker 2: Hey, it's termin X. Just thinking about you, just wondering
Speaker 2: what you're up to. And I'm good without you.
Speaker 1: But if you know, if you did ever want to
Speaker 1: come back, I'm sure we could work something.
Speaker 2: It's unbelievab. I've never had a breakup like this in
Speaker 2: my life. They won't me.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I get it, you're hard to you're
Speaker 5: hard to leave will.
Speaker 2: I understand it too, But sometimes you gotta let go.
Speaker 4: For the word man I did. I did recently get
Speaker 4: an email from an ex that I have not spoken
Speaker 4: to in thirteen years.
Speaker 3: If they had your your email or.
Speaker 4: Yes, I knew that they I knew that they had
Speaker 4: my email, but like thirteen we've not said one word
Speaker 4: to each other for thirteen years.
Speaker 2: Was it a good reach out?
Speaker 4: He was asking for money?
Speaker 3: Oh no, yeah, that's that's so sad. You're gonna say
Speaker 3: it was like, you know, hey, I've been thinking about.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I wanted to apologize, So go fund me.
Speaker 6: Hmmm.
Speaker 2: I thought i'd send it to your other email.
Speaker 3: Go fund me, go you.
Speaker 2: That's the shirt I want.
Speaker 1: Go fund me, go go fund me.
Speaker 2: That's tough, so yes, please termin x. I've moved on.
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Speaker 7: I think Western is actually part of their is a
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Speaker 4: Check them out.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I saw a third date. I don't know.
Speaker 4: It's so hard. Welcome to pod meets World I'm Daniel Fishel.
Speaker 2: I'm Rider Strong, and I'm Wilfordale.
Speaker 5: Well before Britney Spears or Sabrina Carpenter or even a
Speaker 5: group of k pops singing demon hunters, the fate of
Speaker 5: our country's pop stars rested in, of all places, your
Speaker 5: local shopping mall. In the eighties and nineties, these centers
Speaker 5: of commerce were the primary social space for teenagers and
Speaker 5: young adults. Whether it was wet Seal Miller's out posts,
Speaker 5: Merry Go Round, or just in front of a hot
Speaker 5: dog on a stick, this is where we hung out
Speaker 5: every weekend, sipping an orange Julius, playing in the arcade,
Speaker 5: or just standing by a payphone waiting for the boy
Speaker 5: or girl you like.
Speaker 4: To walk by.
Speaker 5: And as a result, instead of trying to pull prepubescent
Speaker 5: fans into clubs or concert halls, record labels brought the
Speaker 5: artists directly to them to the mall for what they
Speaker 5: would creatively call a mall tour. These public appearances guaranteed
Speaker 5: built in foot traffic and an audience already primed to discover,
Speaker 5: shop and spend. Since the pre Internet music business depended
Speaker 5: solely on local buzz and radio play, these new marketing
Speaker 5: activations in the form of performances, autograph signings, and live
Speaker 5: radio broadcasts broke artists regionally in hopes it would spread
Speaker 5: like syphilis throughout the.
Speaker 4: Greater United States, despite the fact that it originated near
Speaker 4: a neighborhood.
Speaker 5: Can tempo casuals, and our Guests this Week didn't just
Speaker 5: benefit from them all to her craze, she practically invented it.
Speaker 5: Her nineteen eighty seven cover of Tommy James and the
Speaker 5: Chondell's I Think We're Alone Now rocketed her from the
Speaker 5: food Court to number one on the Billboard Charts, where
Speaker 5: she also became the youngest female artist to ever claim
Speaker 5: the top spot with a debut album, and later that
Speaker 5: year she'd start performing in much bigger venues now with
Speaker 5: a young, upstart boy band at the time.
Speaker 4: A little group called the New Kids on the Block.
Speaker 5: And just last month, almost forty years later, like all
Speaker 5: great things from the eighties, she came roaring back thanks
Speaker 5: to Stranger Things, which featured I Think We're Alone Now
Speaker 5: in their fifth season, suddenly sending her into international streaming charts.
Speaker 5: So this week on Podmeats World, we are definitely not alone.
Speaker 5: Welcome to the show, eighties pop icon Tiffany.
Speaker 6: Hello, holy guys or you, how are you good?
Speaker 4: Thank you so much for joining us. This is an
Speaker 4: honor I do.
Speaker 5: Before I jump into our interview, I am wondering if
Speaker 5: you can confirm a story for me about a time
Speaker 5: when we met in the nineties, and you have to
Speaker 5: tell me how far because okay, so I because my
Speaker 5: memory is very shoddy, but I am pretty sure did
Speaker 5: we have a karaoke night.
Speaker 4: Together with Lance? Back with Lance and Vince Vaughn and
Speaker 4: Janet Jacks.
Speaker 6: Girl that like the microphone? And yes, and I was
Speaker 6: a big Debbie Gibson. Are you kidding? I think later?
Speaker 6: I don't have to remember dad.
Speaker 1: Okay, five hundred episodes of pre show chatter and this
Speaker 1: is the first time we're about this.
Speaker 3: I'm kidding.
Speaker 6: I don't remember dead, to be honest with you.
Speaker 4: Okay, don't you remember Janet? She did yeah, and she
Speaker 4: did not sing.
Speaker 6: Oh, I don't know. I remember Vince Vaughn, and I
Speaker 6: remember uh Land Land Course and uh and I remember
Speaker 6: boycotting the Planet originally because we were like eating downtown
Speaker 6: and they were like, We're gonna go this club and
Speaker 6: do karaoke, and I was like, oh, I probably won't
Speaker 6: go because I don't really do karaoke. It's just really
Speaker 6: not my thing. And a couple of cocktails later and
Speaker 6: then I was like, okay, you know, and I came
Speaker 6: over there and I remember just going, oh.
Speaker 4: My god, I know the song, got I know the song.
Speaker 6: They were like okay, girl like, and we had the
Speaker 6: microphone and I was time. So I remember the evening,
Speaker 6: but I became a little karaoke my cock that night.
Speaker 6: I was sobered.
Speaker 4: That's so funny.
Speaker 6: I went not doing karaoke too. I know every song
Speaker 6: because I will do it. So we were and I
Speaker 6: just like and I remember we had a great time.
Speaker 6: It was the first time I met Vince Vawn and
Speaker 6: of course Lance and I've been buddies for a while,
Speaker 6: so it was great to like hang out. I don't
Speaker 6: remember Deadbie in there, and do you remember you Janet?
Speaker 5: Actually Janet was there, and that it is true that
Speaker 5: I didn't remember if Debbie was there.
Speaker 4: That was the thing. I was like, am I adding any.
Speaker 6: Actually came to dinner and said hello, but didn't go.
Speaker 6: I don't think she.
Speaker 1: Went yeah, wow, do you remember that time we went
Speaker 1: bowling with the cast of friends?
Speaker 2: And Tom cruise. Oh yeah, yeah, that was awesome.
Speaker 3: We just never mentioned it. No, we never brought that
Speaker 3: out to it.
Speaker 2: It was just so totally cool. Remember Tom, I was
Speaker 2: doing that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, when Tom showed you how to bowl, like he
Speaker 3: became a bowl the tom cake?
Speaker 4: How's the tom cake you get every year?
Speaker 6: You know? Since my my my little night out though,
Speaker 6: again because I was like, no, I don't really karaoke,
Speaker 6: and then I just remember being a total like everybody going,
Speaker 6: oh my god, are we going to get a chance.
Speaker 2: That's so funny?
Speaker 6: And you want to sing it to us if it helps.
Speaker 4: If it makes you feel any better about the night.
Speaker 5: I didn't remember you being a micg so you know,
Speaker 5: it's not like anybody walked awa away from it going
Speaker 5: gosh that Tiffany did?
Speaker 4: I did? Yeah?
Speaker 6: We all say together. I did. I did have buddies.
Speaker 6: I did wrangle in other people.
Speaker 4: We did, we didn't. I think we did.
Speaker 6: Hear the songs.
Speaker 4: I think I did a duet. I don't think I did, like,
Speaker 4: so did I think her alone?
Speaker 6: Now? I remember that, Yes, yes, and we did the
Speaker 6: dance the whole mon yard.
Speaker 2: It's ironic that you did. I think you're alone now, together.
Speaker 6: It's the requirement of mine nowadays. I don't want to
Speaker 6: be alone the girl alone. Why am I alone? I don't.
Speaker 5: I want to go to start the interview. I want
Speaker 5: to go all the way back to Star Search. It's
Speaker 5: a nostalgic hallmark for us. And you finished second place.
Speaker 5: You were only fourteen years old. What do you remember
Speaker 5: from the Star Search experience?
Speaker 6: I actually think I was twelve at the time. Wow, really,
Speaker 6: And I remember me Laura. I think her name was
Speaker 6: Melaura Hard. No, no, it wasn't Malaura. It wasn't it was.
Speaker 6: I forget, Oh gosh, I forget her last name. But
Speaker 6: her first name was Laura, but wasn't Malaura Harden? And
Speaker 6: she came out and she like was ponytail girl, and
Speaker 6: she was you know all that because I started off
Speaker 6: in country at nine years old, and I just learned
Speaker 6: that if you want to sing, which I did. You know,
Speaker 6: I drove my family nuts by the time I was
Speaker 6: like four or five, always singing in my bedroom. My
Speaker 6: family didn't know anything about the music industry. So my
Speaker 6: stepfather said, well, this is what you want to do,
Speaker 6: then you'll hop up here and sing in front of everybody,
Speaker 6: which was not a problem and then.
Speaker 2: Are you are you thinking of Melissa Moultrie?
Speaker 6: I am, thank you, thank you. Laura Harden I took
Speaker 6: acting classes from her mom, Diana Hard Actually laur Laura
Speaker 6: became a friend of mine later on. So yeah, the
Speaker 6: the backstory of Tiffany. So again my family not knowing
Speaker 6: anything about the music industry, it was all just kind
Speaker 6: of connections. We started singing at the VFW Club in Norwalk,
Speaker 6: where the band said, well, you've got to do this,
Speaker 6: and then you've got to go into LA and you've
Speaker 6: got to have headshots and you've got to do acting
Speaker 6: classes and modeling classes and dancing classes and all of that.
Speaker 6: So we became in the little circuit there and then
Speaker 6: someone said, well, you know, of course you've got us
Speaker 6: start auditioning for all of these commercials or talk shows,
Speaker 6: whatever it was. And I got the episode for Star Search,
Speaker 6: and I remember going to the audition and seeing all
Speaker 6: the other girls and you know, they were like fresh
Speaker 6: face and all of that, and somebody said, well, she'll
Speaker 6: needs some work for her performance skills if they will
Speaker 6: need to work on that, because she's a great voice,
Speaker 6: but she needs to open up. So they took me
Speaker 6: to the valley. Okay, I'm from East LA, originally Norwalk,
Speaker 6: and they took me to the valley to this hippy
Speaker 6: dippy dippy do studio where this like guru acting teacher
Speaker 6: was like, okay, so you're gonna feel it and you're
Speaker 6: gonna like be really really like you're in into yourself.
Speaker 6: And then I'm seeing I Am love Jennifer Holiday and
Speaker 6: you're like and then all of a sudden, you're gonna
Speaker 6: see me, and then you're gonna walk out. And I
Speaker 6: was like, all right, okay, this seems weird, Like why
Speaker 6: don't I just perform? But I guess I'm doing it wrong.
Speaker 6: So that's what we did on Star Search. But we
Speaker 6: also dressed me in a tuxedo, which was advised as well.
Speaker 6: Ocean Meek costume me, so I looked like a scared
Speaker 6: stuff penguin to me, I was just looking at me.
Speaker 6: And then that performance from Hell in my opinion, and
Speaker 6: here Melaura comes out and she's just like, you know
Speaker 6: whatever she did with her little ponytail, and she was
Speaker 6: cuter than life. And I remember watching her before and
Speaker 6: before I did, going oh, she's won it right. That
Speaker 6: was adorable, you know, I mean, she just had it,
Speaker 6: and why am I doing all this extra stuff that's
Speaker 6: not really ingrained in me? So I think that was
Speaker 6: the first time. Of course, you take advice and you
Speaker 6: could be wrong, but I really went against the grain
Speaker 6: on that one for what my intuition was. And then
Speaker 6: when I lost, I remember crying, but I was like,
Speaker 6: I understand why I lost. That was pretty good. I mean,
Speaker 6: but you you.
Speaker 5: Definitely had the last word with the show however. I mean,
Speaker 5: you were the first person to have a number one
Speaker 5: by any recorded by any contestant, So you may have
Speaker 5: come in second place, but you definitely had the last word.
Speaker 5: I mean it was only two years later then you
Speaker 5: would release your debut out them, the self titled Tiffany.
Speaker 5: So how did it progress from runner up to big
Speaker 5: record deal so quickly?
Speaker 6: Well, we, I mean we stayed in the circuit. I
Speaker 6: mean again once my parents were like, Okay, I guess
Speaker 6: she has to take acting class and she just do this,
Speaker 6: and again running me back and forth to LA was
Speaker 6: not convenient, but again it was something I wanted to do,
Speaker 6: and so my parents were like, you know, we'll try
Speaker 6: it for a while. Uh, and my you know, we
Speaker 6: were able to do it. On the weekends. My mom was,
Speaker 6: you know, stay at home mom, so she could drive me.
Speaker 6: My my real father got involved. At one time. I
Speaker 6: had my aunts, you know, that were recruited to drive
Speaker 6: me to audition. It was a family affair, literally, and
Speaker 6: to the point where I was actually staying up in
Speaker 6: LA with a family friend so I could be closer
Speaker 6: to auditions because you know, sometimes you get you know,
Speaker 6: that call, and you just have to run. So during
Speaker 6: the summer I was able to do that, and that
Speaker 6: was a little different from me, but you know, that
Speaker 6: led me to meeting a lot of different people. I
Speaker 6: was told, you have to do demos. We didn't even
Speaker 6: know what a demo was. So we were putting songs
Speaker 6: together and I worked My first producer was Bobby Sherman actually,
Speaker 6: and I went to his studio and recorded some songs there,
Speaker 6: and then I worked with a bunch of other people,
Speaker 6: thinking I was going to do rock music at one point,
Speaker 6: because you know, I had turned from country to rock music.
Speaker 6: I had an older cousin who I used to sneaker
Speaker 6: her vinyls and listened to them, and that's where I
Speaker 6: found Stevie Nix and Heart and I was like Pat
Speaker 6: was like, I want to be these ladies, you know.
Speaker 6: So I did some rock demos, but people were like,
Speaker 6: how old are you. You're twelve, that's never going to
Speaker 6: work out. Come back when you're older.
Speaker 3: So you started with country because that's what your parents
Speaker 3: were into.
Speaker 6: Is that?
Speaker 3: Like they okay.
Speaker 6: Left country music, but yes, that's what was playing in
Speaker 6: my Homecha. So I actually came to Nashville for the
Speaker 6: very first time. I live now in Nashville. I've been
Speaker 6: here seventeen years, but I came the first time when
Speaker 6: I was ten. And my manager at that time was
Speaker 6: may Axidon Hoyd accent member Joy to the World, Dolla Too.
Speaker 6: He wrote that for three Dog Night. But he also
Speaker 6: was the dad in Gremlins. Yes, so Hoy became a
Speaker 6: good family friend after my dad, like, you know, basically
Speaker 6: beat him down with my daughter. My daughter wants to
Speaker 6: sing at every stop along his tour, my dad would
Speaker 6: follow him around California, and you know, of course he
Speaker 6: had the security guards first, then the tour manager, and
Speaker 6: then finally after many attempts, you know, he got up
Speaker 6: got Hoyt's attention and Hoy goes, I heard about you.
Speaker 6: You're the guy with the daughter that wants to sing.
Speaker 6: I got it. I got the message. You know what,
Speaker 6: come on the bus. Let's put this tape in and
Speaker 6: hear what she sounds like, you know. And he put
Speaker 6: the tape in and he looked at my daddy said, okay,
Speaker 6: this is weird. You're telling me this girl's nine years old.
Speaker 6: She sounds like a thirty year old girl. And my
Speaker 6: dad said, oh, yeah, I know. She's got a really
Speaker 6: good voice. I think you know, I mean, you know,
Speaker 6: he goes, all right, bring her here tomorrow night. She
Speaker 6: can't come in the club, but she can stand outside
Speaker 6: the door. I'll have her up for two numbers. Joy
Speaker 6: to the world. And what else does she sing? And
Speaker 6: my dad said, well, she sings Delta Dawn. You know,
Speaker 6: that's her favorite song. So so I did. I got
Speaker 6: up with a void and again the reaction to my
Speaker 6: voice at that time was that's weird. You're a little girl,
Speaker 6: but you sound like an old lady, like what's happening here?
Speaker 6: So that was it, and he said, you know, I
Speaker 6: don't know what else to do but to send you
Speaker 6: to my mom out in Nashville. So I came out
Speaker 6: here when I was ten and recorded demos, did all
Speaker 6: the circuit, did all the shows, but you know, I
Speaker 6: was ten, there was no material for me to sing.
Speaker 6: I wasn't divorced by then, I wasn't struggling with the
Speaker 6: dicks in her booze. I'm yeah, I don't have no
Speaker 6: man to stand by at the time, so you know,
Speaker 6: they were really struggling for material and I was just
Speaker 6: advised to keep coming back. But by that time, I went,
Speaker 6: you know, like I said, back to LA and just
Speaker 6: started doing a lot of like the acting and dancing,
Speaker 6: and that's when I did Star Search.
Speaker 5: So when did you How did you then find out
Speaker 5: that you were going to be doing a debut album
Speaker 5: called Tiffany.
Speaker 6: I was doing another demo in Burbank, California, and the
Speaker 6: producer who owned the studio walked into the session and
Speaker 6: was like, who is singing that? And you know, I
Speaker 6: was like, I'm over here. It was like again, this
Speaker 6: is this young girl singing this. At that time, I
Speaker 6: was fourteen, and he goes, I don't know anything about
Speaker 6: country music. Because I went back to country. I was
Speaker 6: kind of doing edgy country, and he said, I don't
Speaker 6: know anything about country music, but you know, I what
Speaker 6: about pop music. I'd love to, you know, so literally
Speaker 6: he pulled me into the lobby, got a guitar and
Speaker 6: started singing. I saw him standing there, started singing a
Speaker 6: bunch of other songs and just finding my range really,
Speaker 6: and then said, you know, I want to make a
Speaker 6: meeting with your parents. And at that time, my stepmother
Speaker 6: and my dad were getting a divorce, so I was
Speaker 6: staying with my real father, and he did not want
Speaker 6: me in the music industry, you know, although he had been,
Speaker 6: you know, taking me to auditions and he was, you know,
Speaker 6: helping my parents and everybody kind of got along in
Speaker 6: my family, but he just really thought, you know, I
Speaker 6: don't know, now that I've seen it, she might get
Speaker 6: her heart broken. You know, it's a really kind of
Speaker 6: canby a shady industry. I really rather her go to
Speaker 6: school and go to college, although she's talented. So he
Speaker 6: was very reluctant, but we won him over, and then
Speaker 6: we had that meeting with George. And then at that
Speaker 6: point my mom was more stable where I could go
Speaker 6: and live with her, and you know, and so my
Speaker 6: mom's side the contract and that was that was it.
Speaker 6: I was fourteen when I recorded the album, and even
Speaker 6: then we had people really reluctant to sign me to
Speaker 6: a major label. So I was going in with my
Speaker 6: bunk box to UH to crash. Literally luncheons had all
Speaker 6: these executive luncheons and I would just you know, we
Speaker 6: did one for Clive Davis. I remember George was like, look,
Speaker 6: they're going to try to stop you. As soon as
Speaker 6: you walk in this door, press play and start singing
Speaker 6: and just keep walking and here's the table they'll be at,
Speaker 6: and don't let anybody stop you. And so we did
Speaker 6: that quite often. God like I but the word kind
Speaker 6: of got around that that's you know, there was this
Speaker 6: little girl that could really sing. So then we did
Speaker 6: some showcases live at the studio where they saw me
Speaker 6: single live and I would sing at to all the tracks.
Speaker 6: And at the end of it, I had like four
Speaker 6: or five different labels that wanted to sign me. So
Speaker 6: it worked. You know, we were INCA and the rest
Speaker 6: was history.
Speaker 5: Okay, But your first single was not I Think We're
Speaker 5: Alone Now. It was actually a song called Danny and
Speaker 5: that song fails to chart. So here you are, fourteen
Speaker 5: years old, runner up on Star Search. Your big break
Speaker 5: with the album the first single falls a little short.
Speaker 5: How are you feeling at this point before the massive success,
Speaker 5: like everything feels so close and yet so far.
Speaker 6: Well, you know, I don't think that I really knew
Speaker 6: what that meant to be. Intert with you put out, Danny,
Speaker 6: I can tell you how I felt about the cover
Speaker 6: of the single. You know. I was asked to come
Speaker 6: from school to do the photo shoot for the album cover,
Speaker 6: and I go out there. Somebody came and got me
Speaker 6: from Norwalk, drove all the way up to LA to
Speaker 6: the photographer's studio, Randy Saint Nicholas, and I remember Randy going, Okay,
Speaker 6: where's the wardrobe. No one had purchased anything for me.
Speaker 6: And I come from school with my feather hair, my vans,
Speaker 6: my jeans, and my chip nails. If you notice there's
Speaker 6: chip nails, you know, And she's like, okay, great, well
Speaker 6: I can start shooting her. I have a jacket and
Speaker 6: I have a sweater from my car, and that's how
Speaker 6: I got the jean jacket and the blue sweater because
Speaker 6: I was wearing that blue T shirt from school. So
Speaker 6: we started and then they quickly went to Benetton, I
Speaker 6: think Benetson and got me like these pastel colors, and
Speaker 6: if you know, me. I'm not a Bassdale girl. So
Speaker 6: they got me all these really pastel and then some
Speaker 6: overalls and then somebody I was to crimp my hair.
Speaker 6: Totally cool. I was doing it now. But we all
Speaker 6: know in the eighties you don't double crimp.
Speaker 2: We did, we did. We knew that, we knew that,
Speaker 2: we did know we did, we should know that.
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, okay, okay.
Speaker 2: So I asked quickly what a double crimp is.
Speaker 6: Oh, that's it.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, big hair, Bigla got.
Speaker 6: Big hair, big double crimped out for Sola hair. So
Speaker 6: I had been waiting. They crimped my hair and I thought, oh,
Speaker 6: that was kind of cool. And they even put some
Speaker 6: lift gloss on me, and you know, I was okay
Speaker 6: with the overall and the and the you know, past
Speaker 6: our clothing whatever. There was a big sign that says
Speaker 6: Danny plus Stiffney, and I was like okay. And then
Speaker 6: we waited and we waited, and I don't know, they
Speaker 6: were talking about a bunch of stuff, and then we
Speaker 6: crimped my hair again and it literally went and then
Speaker 6: it was like, okay, we gotta get it this, come on,
Speaker 6: We've got to hurry all of a sudden, which is
Speaker 6: classic industry, right, you wait, you way, you wait, and
Speaker 6: then all of a sudden, hurry hurry, I'm like, well,
Speaker 6: we're not prepared. We went full circle. Now we're not
Speaker 6: prepared again. So I went on and I was just like,
Speaker 6: oh my god, I don't like the way I look like.
Speaker 6: I don't want to say anything because I'm I'm thrilled
Speaker 6: to be here and I don't know how this really works.
Speaker 6: But this doesn't really work for me. So the only
Speaker 6: thing I could do was lean against the wall, cross
Speaker 6: my legs, not smile, and try to be edgy and
Speaker 6: cool in my own mind. And that was Danny plus Tiffany,
Speaker 6: and so I remember when I saw the artwork, I
Speaker 6: was like, oh, And then when I heard the song
Speaker 6: didn't do it, I was like, because the artwork because
Speaker 6: of that air. But actually we had sent it out
Speaker 6: to radio and it just it wasn't It wasn't happening
Speaker 6: like we weren't. It wasn't testing well, and so my
Speaker 6: manager quickly changed it to I think we're low now.
Speaker 6: The label didn't even know about it, really, and that
Speaker 6: saved the day. But the funny thing now is in
Speaker 6: all the shows that I do worldwide, the most requested
Speaker 6: song is Danny Nobody.
Speaker 4: Isn't that crazy?
Speaker 6: Yeah, it is really crazy. So I make a joke
Speaker 6: about it when I put it in the show because
Speaker 6: I do, you know, I kind of I flip around
Speaker 6: my shows all the time. You never know what you're
Speaker 6: going to get. I like to keep people wondering, you know.
Speaker 6: I mean, we have production, but then I have it
Speaker 6: loose so that I can flip things out. Because a
Speaker 6: lot of people write to me that they're coming to
Speaker 6: the next show and I think he was born. They
Speaker 6: don't want to see the same thing. So I'll taylor
Speaker 6: make things for the night a little bit, especially for
Speaker 6: the venue of what I want to do. And I've
Speaker 6: been recently pulling old cuts that I haven't done in
Speaker 6: like twenty years, so it's a lot of fun for me.
Speaker 6: And Danny has been in and out of the show,
Speaker 6: and everybody goes crazy for it, and I'm like, hold on,
Speaker 6: did you not get a vote not fly or something?
Speaker 6: They can it's not bombed and now it's like the
Speaker 6: most requested song, So I'm having fun with that. Yeah,
Speaker 6: and I'm couldn't be my hair right nowadays.
Speaker 5: Well, along with changing the single too, I think we're alone. Now,
Speaker 5: another incredible plan is concocted. Your management team sends you
Speaker 5: to tour shopping malls around the country. I mean, performing
Speaker 5: and winning over fans one at a time. It's the revolutionary,
Speaker 5: the beautiful, you celebrating the good life. Shopping mall tour
Speaker 5: eighty seven. First question, could they have come up with
Speaker 5: a longer name?
Speaker 6: Wait? Yeah, I had nothing to do with the name,
Speaker 6: I think you know again. I was although I had
Speaker 6: been signed, and although you know, I had the big
Speaker 6: battle of all the labels wanting to sign me. Once
Speaker 6: the album was done and delivered, there was just this
Speaker 6: reluctance to move forward. A lot of people were like, well,
Speaker 6: where does she perform now? So I started doing clubs
Speaker 6: in New York, which the music did really well, but
Speaker 6: I wasn't even allowed to be there, right. I was
Speaker 6: a minor. So I would go and do my thing,
Speaker 6: my thirty minutes you know of show, and then I'd
Speaker 6: have to go out the door. So there was no
Speaker 6: connection to fans, and we were really struggling, how is
Speaker 6: this going to cross over? How? You know? It's just
Speaker 6: it's not working. So almost lost my record deal. They
Speaker 6: almost shelfed me and It was my A and R guy,
Speaker 6: Larry Salters at the time, who was walking through the
Speaker 6: mall with his daughter, and he thought, so smart. They
Speaker 6: have hair shows and they have fashion shows. Why can't
Speaker 6: they have music. There's you know, And then they approached me.
Speaker 6: My management sat down and they said, we're thinking malls.
Speaker 6: You'll sing in malls. And I was like, well, I'm
Speaker 6: sang in front of grocery stores, in front of the base.
Speaker 6: I did all the vfws. I mean I did hoedowns
Speaker 6: and all these things, backyard parties, so it wasn't like
Speaker 6: a shocker to me. It was that's where my age
Speaker 6: group hung out.
Speaker 2: Yes, right the A.
Speaker 6: I was already really at the mall on the weekend,
Speaker 6: so I was, yeah, I mean that that's where my
Speaker 6: people are. And I remember doing my first mall. We
Speaker 6: flew out someplace out in San Francisco and the Bay Area,
Speaker 6: and literally, of course, the word hadn't gotten out yet.
Speaker 6: So there's all these chairs and then this little stage
Speaker 6: and and we just had like a like a you know,
Speaker 6: a little music system. So it didn't sound, you know,
Speaker 6: go through the mall too much, but in the direct
Speaker 6: area it was quite loud and I remember some of
Speaker 6: the retail stores they were complaining, so I let management
Speaker 6: deal with that. They weren't happy. They didn't know I
Speaker 6: was coming. But I remember there was a lot of
Speaker 6: people that sat in the chairs that were maybe a
Speaker 6: little elder you know, they just wanted to play it,
Speaker 6: or like moms that were pregnant just needed a break.
Speaker 6: And then all of a sudden, I come out. I'm like,
Speaker 6: I think we're with those now. Oh my god. You know,
Speaker 6: a few people like again, some of the stores were
Speaker 6: yelling and screaming. They didn't want us. There was blocking
Speaker 6: traffic and they didn't want to you know. So I
Speaker 6: cried a few times in the first part of the
Speaker 6: mall tour because it was just like, well, I'm really
Speaker 6: excited to be here and I think this will work.
Speaker 6: But then they don't want us here. But you know that,
Speaker 6: just stop a slice of pizza and I was good.
Speaker 6: I was back on that stage. You're resilient and you
Speaker 6: know the kid. And then it started to grow to
Speaker 6: where the radio picked it up, the local news picked
Speaker 6: it up, and then we would have a couple hundred
Speaker 6: people and then a couple of thousand people. But the
Speaker 6: charm of the the mall toor was. I did get
Speaker 6: to meet people, and I got to talk to my
Speaker 6: connect with my fan base I loved. Literally, we would
Speaker 6: there would be a bunch of people behind me and
Speaker 6: we'd go shopping and look at the stores together, and
Speaker 6: we'd go and have beats them and I'd be like, oh,
Speaker 6: I gotta get back, and I'd do another show and
Speaker 6: then the line would the tribe would grow even bigger
Speaker 6: until we couldn't do it anymore. But you know, I
Speaker 6: made lifelong friends. I still have some of my friends
Speaker 6: from the mall tour, and I think that there was
Speaker 6: something again magical about that because it really was that connection.
Speaker 6: I came from country music, where it's all about the fan. Yeah,
Speaker 6: doing the mall tour was all about the fan. But
Speaker 6: let's also face it. You know, my age group, you
Speaker 6: know in the eighties was all about being together. So
Speaker 6: you know, all three elements just worked for me. You know,
Speaker 6: I really I missed that. I cried again when we
Speaker 6: got too big for the mall and we had to
Speaker 6: go to bigger venues because it was a nice problem
Speaker 6: to have, but it really was that, you know, I
Speaker 6: don't know that nostalgia and that feeling of, you know,
Speaker 6: we're in the mall together and it's just fun and
Speaker 6: my buddies, you know.
Speaker 1: Well it was also just such a crossover too, because
Speaker 1: I was so in eighty seven. I was eleven, and
Speaker 1: so when the video dropped of I think we're alone
Speaker 1: now in the mall tour, I think every guy my
Speaker 1: age instantly fell in love with you, like instantly fell
Speaker 1: in love with you. And it was one of those
Speaker 1: things where you were essentially probably the first pop star,
Speaker 1: true pop star that I watched that was. I mean,
Speaker 1: we weren't the same age, but close enough to where
Speaker 1: it was like, oh my god, she's at the mall.
Speaker 1: All my friends are at the mall. She probably sits
Speaker 1: then go gets an orange Julius.
Speaker 6: Like it did, but she did, Yes you done, good girl,
Speaker 6: Yes exactly.
Speaker 1: So there was something about it that seeing you not
Speaker 1: only they're obviously looking stunning, but hearing the music, which
Speaker 1: was really catchy, but also seeing you at a place
Speaker 1: that my friends and I go, it just made you
Speaker 1: so relatable and so like, oh my god, this is
Speaker 1: somebody I could hang out with, This is somebody I
Speaker 1: could have a crush on.
Speaker 2: This, So it just it kind of revolutionized.
Speaker 1: The whole what pop music was for somebody my age
Speaker 1: eleven twelve thirteen, because it was like you're looking at
Speaker 1: a friend of yours, like you're looking at somebody you
Speaker 1: would go to school with. And that was something that
Speaker 1: had never been done before. It was slick without being
Speaker 1: overly produced, so it just looked like, man, I could hang.
Speaker 2: Out with you. It was the coolest. It was totally
Speaker 2: the coolest.
Speaker 6: Yeah. Yeah, And I mean as a as an enter,
Speaker 6: it has really spoiled me because that is kind of
Speaker 6: the connection that I've wanted with my fans forever consistently.
Speaker 6: So people come to meet and greets and they're like,
Speaker 6: oh my gosh, because I always take what you know,
Speaker 6: we have a writer what's called a writer, and they
Speaker 6: provide all the meat and cheese or whatever you want.
Speaker 6: And I always keep the band's portioned separate. But in
Speaker 6: my meet and greet, I always have like a little
Speaker 6: green room and chairs, and I bring all the coffees, teas, water, beer,
Speaker 6: whatever it is, you know, and I sit there and
Speaker 6: I feed people. The people walk in and I'm like,
Speaker 6: sit down and take a chair. We're not in it,
Speaker 6: you know, and they're like uh, and even sometimes the
Speaker 6: venue is like I'm like, no, it's going to be
Speaker 6: thirty or forty minute. This is a meet and greet.
Speaker 6: We're going to hang out, That's what it said. And
Speaker 6: I'm always like, guy's got a big nut, have some
Speaker 6: cheese and crackers, you know, have some coffee if you
Speaker 6: need it, make yourself And people are like, this is
Speaker 6: I've never had this before, because mostly it's a step
Speaker 6: and repeating, it's in and out, and I go, no,
Speaker 6: we're meeting each other like we did on the mall tour.
Speaker 6: We know you and that, And that's the chuckle thing
Speaker 6: is because I always go, how are you? What are
Speaker 6: you doing? I mean, why you were going to talk
Speaker 6: to me and interview me? You know. Yeah, it's it's
Speaker 6: I'm spoiled from the mall tour because I got to
Speaker 6: literally do that even as a kid, go to pizza
Speaker 6: and and and hear about, oh, I've never been to Albany,
Speaker 6: New York before, and I you know, I remember talking
Speaker 6: to some girls and going what's it like here? Like
Speaker 6: what do you do? I know we have the mall,
Speaker 6: but like what's the fashion here? And like, you know,
Speaker 6: and I would go back to small town you know, California, Norwalk,
Speaker 6: and I'd be like, I just came from Albany's aging
Speaker 6: here here like that, and then this is the fashion
Speaker 6: there and my girlfriend being oh really, you know, and
Speaker 6: I was like, bigger than life.
Speaker 2: But that's that's the thing.
Speaker 1: That's what was so genius about it is, you know,
Speaker 1: these guys grew up in California, and as a kid
Speaker 1: from a small town in Connecticut, I'd watch movies growing
Speaker 1: up that.
Speaker 2: Took place in California.
Speaker 1: There's the beach and all this stuff and which just
Speaker 1: seemed like it's magical world.
Speaker 2: But a mall is a mall.
Speaker 1: So my mall in Connecticut was the same as the
Speaker 1: mall here in California. And seeing you play the mall,
Speaker 1: it was like, oh, you might as well be here
Speaker 1: in Connecticut with me.
Speaker 2: So really brilliant.
Speaker 3: I have a question because we grew up, you know,
Speaker 3: when we were working, it was a very controlled situation
Speaker 3: in terms of location. Right, we're going to set, and
Speaker 3: so we had three hours of school guaranteed. Like, what
Speaker 3: were you doing because it sounds like, by the age
Speaker 3: of ten, were you even going to school anymore? What
Speaker 3: was happening?
Speaker 6: It was so all through my career. Up until heaving touring,
Speaker 6: I was attending school, so I used to go to
Speaker 6: the studio right after school do my homework while they
Speaker 6: were getting tracks together, and I would be there till
Speaker 6: two three in the morning, go home, and then go
Speaker 6: right back to school. So a lot of my vocals
Speaker 6: were actually recorded at one two in the morning. To
Speaker 6: get that rasp. My producer would go, what can I
Speaker 6: do to get that rasp? But it was like pepperoni
Speaker 6: pizza and no sleep. Oh, so he'd be like, all right,
Speaker 6: go to sleep for a couple hours. We'll wake you up.
Speaker 6: Because there was always back then, especially to tape, there
Speaker 6: was always something to do, and you know, and they
Speaker 6: were like, you know, splicing things and doing or whatever,
Speaker 6: recording guitars. I was there the whole process, so you know,
Speaker 6: sometimes they'd wake me up at one in the morning
Speaker 6: and I do a vocal and then they would drive
Speaker 6: me all the way back home. It was an hour
Speaker 6: back home, and so you know, that's just I wanted
Speaker 6: to do it. So it wasn't a burden to me.
Speaker 6: My mom had a harder job because she had to
Speaker 6: wake me up for school the next morning. But you know,
Speaker 6: we all made it work. Really it was a process.
Speaker 6: But then when I started to tour extensively and tour
Speaker 6: all over the world. I remember were Rolling Stone wanted
Speaker 6: to cut and do an article on me and I
Speaker 6: was about, oh, probably about eight months into my tour,
Speaker 6: and yeah, school had kind of taken a back side
Speaker 6: a little bit, and they were like, well, we want
Speaker 6: to show her the day in the life of Tiffany,
Speaker 6: and then we want to show her with her tutor.
Speaker 6: And everybody was like, oh, that's a missing part right now.
Speaker 6: So basically, my drummer, yeah, I mean we were scrambling
Speaker 6: because you can't go and find one then because you know,
Speaker 6: I really tip it off. And my drummer was a
Speaker 6: certified teacher, so he said, look, I will help you
Speaker 6: guys out, but she really has to be in school
Speaker 6: with me. I'm not going to put my license and
Speaker 6: all my credibility in all this, but she should be
Speaker 6: in school. Yeah, I think we would. We had some
Speaker 6: like school packets from my high school that were it
Speaker 6: was lose based, you know, but no, I wasn't really
Speaker 6: in school for a minute, and so we fixed that. So, yes,
Speaker 6: my drummer is still one of my besties. His name
Speaker 6: is Craigie Amic and we called him Big Bird because
Speaker 6: he's really tall. And yeah, he helped me graduate. I
Speaker 6: had my packets, and we actually changed me to a
Speaker 6: private school where I would have these weekly packets to do,
Speaker 6: and I took my band on all of my field trips.
Speaker 6: We went all over the place. I love history. I
Speaker 6: love geography for that reason because I was living it
Speaker 6: and you know, and so I just drug everybody on
Speaker 6: field trips with me. And then, you know, we tailored
Speaker 6: a lot of my curriculum to being on the road.
Speaker 6: I got to write a lot of essays and things
Speaker 6: like that. But yeah, I did graduate. I did graduate.
Speaker 5: You mentioned the fashion and your style was such a
Speaker 5: crucial part of the Tiffany story. You dressed like all
Speaker 5: of us dressed at the mall, jean jackets, oversized sweaters, leggings, scrunchies.
Speaker 4: Was that also your real life wardrobe at the time
Speaker 4: or did you have a different style? Okay, no, that
Speaker 4: was really I.
Speaker 6: Mean, I've always loved black, I've always loved again. As
Speaker 6: I started to find the rockers, Stevie Nicks, I always
Speaker 6: loved the shawls and all that, you know, So that
Speaker 6: was a big part of me, but girls my age
Speaker 6: weren't really wearing that. You know, it was hard to
Speaker 6: find that. I remember when I found my first actual
Speaker 6: like shawl. It was in Charlotte Rouths and my dad
Speaker 6: but I still have it. Actually loved Chares, so my
Speaker 6: dad bought it. He was like, what, how are you
Speaker 6: going to wear this? Like, you know, I said, yeah,
Speaker 6: Stevie Hicks, I have to have this. So I ended
Speaker 6: up like being in my bedroom like twirling around doing
Speaker 6: all Stevie's moves. So it was a thing and I
Speaker 6: still have it. It's like a it's a value piece
Speaker 6: for me. But jean jackets that was the thing. You know.
Speaker 6: Randy Saint Nicholas made me the jean jacket girl by
Speaker 6: a safe literally she had it in the car. But
Speaker 6: that was the fashion. You know. What I wore before
Speaker 6: that was, you know again Vans tennis shoes, feathered hair.
Speaker 6: You know, I was just you know, just kind of
Speaker 6: like regular teas. And I had to have my Jordash jeans.
Speaker 6: That was a big thing. So that it's just jam
Speaker 6: big hoop earrings. We haven't changed there, guys. And you
Speaker 6: know it's funny now full circle for me because I'm
Speaker 6: launching a jacket line now off of my online boutique
Speaker 6: called Radical Reds. So for charity, I actually trick out
Speaker 6: your jacket. They're all one of a kime custom You
Speaker 6: can order a zoom package with me and you get
Speaker 6: to zoom like this with me, and basically there's like
Speaker 6: four styles. But then we trick it out for you,
Speaker 6: your colors, your grammity, and we do custom made patches
Speaker 6: is and I raise money for Children's Miracle Network. Because
Speaker 6: I've been working with the charity for a while and
Speaker 6: then being so extensive on the tours all the time,
Speaker 6: I thought, oh gosh, what can I do to keep
Speaker 6: it up. I can't do the concerts, I can't be
Speaker 6: in Florida of all the places that we really you know,
Speaker 6: kind of do hands on stuff. I thought, hmm, I
Speaker 6: can go back to making jackets. That would be a
Speaker 6: lot of fun. And I'm really good at it because
Speaker 6: I mean that's what we did, right, make jackets. So
Speaker 6: so I paint, I tie die, I do all of that.
Speaker 6: I stitch, I do the lacing, and then I've partnered
Speaker 6: with another girl here, so we've been real successful with
Speaker 6: raising a lot of money, even even just recently on
Speaker 6: the top of this year, I've been banging out those
Speaker 6: jackets and it's a lot of fun, and it does
Speaker 6: remind me of the eighties. Yeah, it reminds me of
Speaker 6: the kid in myself. And then now as i'm you know,
Speaker 6: I just went to Vegas and saw the new kids
Speaker 6: on the block. Wanted to make sure I saw their show.
Speaker 6: It's amazing. But then those are my girls, you know,
Speaker 6: the blockheads are my girls as well, and they're all
Speaker 6: sitting there with their jean jackets and their leather jackets,
Speaker 6: and I'm all, girl, I could check that out for you.
Speaker 6: I can do that. Talk to me later, let zoom.
Speaker 6: But you know, it's it's great because, I mean, there
Speaker 6: was just something so magical about the eighties. I don't
Speaker 6: know really what it is. It's not just the music,
Speaker 6: it's not just the mall, it's not just the fashion.
Speaker 6: There was this connection. I think, like you're saying, it
Speaker 6: didn't matter if you were California or New York. Somehow
Speaker 6: we were all living it together. It just there was
Speaker 6: that connection you just knew, even though you didn't know,
Speaker 6: you know, it was like and I don't know that
Speaker 6: that's ever happened again. It was a special.
Speaker 2: Everything was big.
Speaker 1: Everything was big, big hair, big jackets, big shoulder pads,
Speaker 1: big music. Everything in the eighties was big, and it
Speaker 1: was just it was there's something kind of wonderful about that.
Speaker 2: It's like the bigger, the better.
Speaker 6: It was great and unique. I mean, you could be
Speaker 6: as wild as you wanted to be, yeah, or you know,
Speaker 6: for me, I always look at me and think I
Speaker 6: was pretty plain, although I wasn't. But for me compared
Speaker 6: to you know, people that I met later on, like
Speaker 6: Adam Ann or Cyndi Laupper, you know, or even like
Speaker 6: Billie Idol, you know, I was like, oh wow, that's cool.
Speaker 6: Eric a costume, you know, and it's like, but it's
Speaker 6: not really it's them, you know. And I was like,
Speaker 6: oh wow, cool different colored hair. And I always wanted
Speaker 6: to do more of that, and of course I was
Speaker 6: highly discouraged from changing anything as I wanted to grow up.
Speaker 6: I wanted to experiment with makeup. Oh no, I wanted
Speaker 6: to change my hair color. Oh no. You know, they
Speaker 6: were like, you just have to be the Tiffany doll
Speaker 6: for forever, and that wasn't really doable for me. I
Speaker 6: don't think that it was you know, really gonna keep
Speaker 6: happening for a young girl because I saw my friends
Speaker 6: going in different directions and fashion was changing, and you know,
Speaker 6: as a young girl, you want to be a little
Speaker 6: bit more, you know, hot and sexy and try different things.
Speaker 6: And finally, when I did do that, a new inside
Speaker 6: I totally rebelled. Changed my hair. It was like purple
Speaker 6: black color and Boostia's came out.
Speaker 7: Oh yeah, what I do.
Speaker 1: Now when you're having all the success, are you able
Speaker 1: to have any semblance of a real life?
Speaker 2: Can you date and you know, hang out with your friends?
Speaker 1: Were you Were you able to just kind of live
Speaker 1: the life of a fifteen or sixteen year old of
Speaker 1: any sense of normalcy or no?
Speaker 6: I did? I think that I did to some degree.
Speaker 6: I mean I really loved Tori and being on the road,
Speaker 6: and I love my band, and I love what I
Speaker 6: was doing. I think I've always just been grateful to
Speaker 6: be able to do it. So to me, that was
Speaker 6: my first love and my first passion. So going back home,
Speaker 6: I missed my family. I miss my little sisters, but
Speaker 6: I also got to bring them on the road here
Speaker 6: and there. You know, I think in my household there
Speaker 6: was a lot of problems there was a lot of alcoholism,
Speaker 6: there was a lot of divorces, chaos. So although I
Speaker 6: missed my family, I didn't miss that, and being on
Speaker 6: the road, for me felt safer. It was a more
Speaker 6: happier place to be, and I was, you know, I
Speaker 6: was comforted there when I would go home. Although you're
Speaker 6: always torn, especially being the daughter of an alcoholic, you
Speaker 6: always feel like you have to have that responsibility. I
Speaker 6: worried a lot, but then in a couple of days,
Speaker 6: you know, being home, I would wilt. I just get
Speaker 6: like kind of depressed. Again. I love my family, but
Speaker 6: you know, people were making choices that I couldn't control.
Speaker 6: And by that time I had other options a place
Speaker 6: to be. When I was really young and I hadn't
Speaker 6: you know, gotten the music deal, I literally was like
Speaker 6: sitting outside listening to Joan Jet, you know, listening to
Speaker 6: bad reputation, going one day, that's it, I'm going to
Speaker 6: leave this, you know, and and kind of running away
Speaker 6: into music from the chaos in my home. Music was
Speaker 6: really my therapy. It was my comforter, was all of
Speaker 6: those things. So you know, once I got successful, I
Speaker 6: was like, you know, I really just rather be on tour,
Speaker 6: like you know, I'd rather be with my band. It's happier,
Speaker 6: you know. I think I kind of also got to
Speaker 6: a point where I was like, I can't control this, like,
Speaker 6: you know, I can't make decisions for people, and I
Speaker 6: hope my family gets healthier sometimes, you know. I look
Speaker 6: back at that time, it got worse just some degree,
Speaker 6: because there was money and there was pain, and there
Speaker 6: was more pressure on my family, and then people of
Speaker 6: course were poking their nose and that's when I had
Speaker 6: the emancipation and all of that. And for me, it
Speaker 6: was never like I got bigger than my parents, and
Speaker 6: I wanted to just say screw them. It really was.
Speaker 6: I couldn't do bold. I couldn't be touring the world
Speaker 6: and all the expectation and all of that and coming
Speaker 6: home to a chaotic, not changing environment. So I wanted
Speaker 6: to go live with my grandmother at the time, which
Speaker 6: eventually I did do. But my mom, of course, had
Speaker 6: always really depended on me. You know, I was the
Speaker 6: oldest of the three girls, and you know, she kind
Speaker 6: of in her own way depended on me to always
Speaker 6: be there, and so she didn't really want to let
Speaker 6: me go, you know, and it took her a long
Speaker 6: time to kind of let me go live with my grandmother.
Speaker 6: And it took all that ugly emancipation stuff, which got
Speaker 6: so crazy really because you know, obviously you've got attorneys
Speaker 6: and then they start doing things that you didn't really
Speaker 6: authorize and becomes their battle, you know, to some degree,
Speaker 6: and I was like, oh no, I I'm not thinking
Speaker 6: that way, and it's like we've got to win this,
Speaker 6: and I'm like, well, this is my family as well.
Speaker 6: Hold on a second, you know. So I think I
Speaker 6: learned a lot there as well, being a celebrity and
Speaker 6: having all your mess aired out. I try now to
Speaker 6: you know, talk it out. It's better to talk it
Speaker 6: out in person. But my family actually got really healthy.
Speaker 6: My mom did get sober after all of that, and
Speaker 6: so it was kind of like, you know, sometimes things
Speaker 6: have to get really ugly to you know, to force
Speaker 6: a change. So you know, I mean, it was really
Speaker 6: awful at the time, but you know, in the long run,
Speaker 6: it became the healthier thing to do. She did get sober,
Speaker 6: and she's a great grandmother to my today. Actually as
Speaker 6: we're talking was the day she passed away, so earlier today.
Speaker 6: Every year, my sister and I my sisters and I
Speaker 6: and now my whole family. I have two a niece
Speaker 6: and a nephew, an extended family. We've I've moved them
Speaker 6: all to Nashville. We go and have donuts in the
Speaker 6: morning at coffee and donuts and membrance of my mom
Speaker 6: because that was her jam donuts and we taught mom stories,
Speaker 6: you know, and it's really great to have that end
Speaker 6: of her life positivity and that she got it together
Speaker 6: and was very present in all of our lives. And yeah,
Speaker 6: it's a beautiful thing. So very happy about that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so the mall tour plan works. The single I
Speaker 5: Think We're Alone now hits number one on the Billboard chart.
Speaker 5: Your mall tour is successful. You do sixty shows as
Speaker 5: part of the mall tour, then you go on the
Speaker 5: Tonight show. You're selling out stadiums. And you had quite
Speaker 5: the openers on that tour with a little group out
Speaker 5: of Boston called New Kids on the Block. You fought
Speaker 5: for them to give them that huge opportunity. What were
Speaker 5: they like, pre fame, just trying to make it on
Speaker 5: the road.
Speaker 6: Well, actually, I mean there really was no fight. I
Speaker 6: got in trouble after the call that I made, But
Speaker 6: you know. I was at a venue in New York actually,
Speaker 6: and for my opening act, we couldn't think of one
Speaker 6: that really fit, some people, said a comedian. I said, well,
Speaker 6: what's funny to like a sixteen year old? Isn't going
Speaker 6: to be funny to a twelve year old? And yeah,
Speaker 6: I don't know. And then we had tried a few
Speaker 6: other artists and it just wasn't really worse game. So
Speaker 6: I didn't have anybody, and they just play like you know,
Speaker 6: eighties music, and people would show up, and so you know,
Speaker 6: that's not great. You need an opening act, you know.
Speaker 6: So we were looking for somebody, and my agent had
Speaker 6: just signed new kids on the block, so he brought
Speaker 6: them to meet me, and my manager happened to not
Speaker 6: be there that day. And it was my best friend
Speaker 6: used to go on the road with me in this summertime,
Speaker 6: my girlfriend, Sanita, you come up on the road with me.
Speaker 6: So I had somebody my age and we were backstage
Speaker 6: having lunch, and is isn't there actually don't? I just know.
Speaker 6: I think there's footage of the first show, but I
Speaker 6: know if there's backstage footage.
Speaker 1: There's some footage that I saw one time of them
Speaker 1: almost like auditioning for you new kids on the block.
Speaker 6: Now, I didn't take that footage, I know. I know
Speaker 6: that I did it. Maybe they did, I don't know,
Speaker 6: but I know they came back, and of course John like, hey,
Speaker 6: I just signed these guys. I'm thinking it might be
Speaker 6: a good fit. You know. I wanted them to meet you,
Speaker 6: you know, and I you know, if you're out for it,
Speaker 6: they'd like to do a number, you know. I know
Speaker 6: that George isn't here, and I was like, okay, you know,
Speaker 6: and they came in and it was like five really
Speaker 6: cute guys, you know, and Anita was like yeah, you know,
Speaker 6: and then they put the bump box down, you know,
Speaker 6: and they started doing I think it might have been
Speaker 6: Hanging Tough or I think it might have been hanging
Speaker 6: dead or the right stuff. It was one of the
Speaker 6: earlier songs. Sorry guys, I can't remember, but I mean
Speaker 6: they had all the moves and every and then they
Speaker 6: were really nice, you know, and I just was like,
Speaker 6: that makes sense to me. I mean they were I
Speaker 6: love the songs, I love the moves, I love you know,
Speaker 6: they seem really nice. And so I said, well, again,
Speaker 6: there's that country music element in me. If you want
Speaker 6: to do something, do it right now. You know, if
Speaker 6: you want to sing, you'll get up and sing right now.
Speaker 6: So that's where I came from. So I was like, look,
Speaker 6: I don't have anybody opening up for me tonight, so
Speaker 6: why don't we try it? You have your tracks, you know.
Speaker 6: They were like really, I was like yeah. So they
Speaker 6: went out there and they opened the show, and I
Speaker 6: just heard all these girls backstage gaming and I was like, yay,
Speaker 6: I did a good thing. I think this is going
Speaker 6: to work out. You know, it just makes sense really,
Speaker 6: And then I remember the next day, I got the
Speaker 6: phone call. You don't make decisions like that, you know, what,
Speaker 6: are you crazy? Like, you know, there's there's legalities here,
Speaker 6: there's things to negotiation, and I was like, oh, look
Speaker 6: that's the business side. I don't know. But it worked, yeah,
Speaker 6: Like and and you know, I kind of felt great
Speaker 6: helping another artist, you know, out, another group out because
Speaker 6: everybody needs to start, you know. So I never regret
Speaker 6: my decision. You know, I get a lot of girls
Speaker 6: now go thank you so much. I'm like, well, thank you,
Speaker 6: I mean you guys. I think Also, the New Kids
Speaker 6: really impressed me that night that they could have said, oh, well,
Speaker 6: we don't, you know, we're not ready, you know, but
Speaker 6: they were on it, and so they had my respect
Speaker 6: right away. I could see they wanted to do it.
Speaker 6: They loved music, They just wanted to shine. They too,
Speaker 6: were grateful for the opportunity, just like me. So we
Speaker 6: were speaking the same language. And then when they came
Speaker 6: on the road, it was fun to have people my
Speaker 6: own age, you know, it was a lot of fun.
Speaker 6: We had a lot of pizza parties, lots of pepperoni
Speaker 6: pizza and singing at the back of the bus. We
Speaker 6: were all singing like I used to jam to like
Speaker 6: Guy and oh gosh, oh, tons and tons of and
Speaker 6: we used to dance moves. And then the next year
Speaker 6: I brought dancers on with me, so there was a
Speaker 6: gang of us, you know, young young inns at the time.
Speaker 4: So when do you start working on the second album?
Speaker 6: Right after the first album? So the first album took
Speaker 6: me a year to record, and then of course you
Speaker 6: have all the pressure to follow that up. So the
Speaker 6: second album was very rushed. We did it in between touring,
Speaker 6: because I toured from America, I went on to Europe,
Speaker 6: then I went onto Asia and I just didn't stop
Speaker 6: for almost two and a half years. I wasn't really home.
Speaker 6: If I was, I was sleeping. It was like, you know, again, touring, touring, touring,
Speaker 6: and then of course we had to record the album,
Speaker 6: so it was very rushed. I wasn't crazy about a
Speaker 6: lot of the songs on the second album, and I
Speaker 6: voiced my opinion, which caused problems with the management. My producer,
Speaker 6: you know, because again he looked at it as you
Speaker 6: don't know anything, you know what, you're a producer now,
Speaker 6: you know, you're just a kid, like you know, And
Speaker 6: I was like, I'm not a producer, but I'm a
Speaker 6: I am this, I'm a.
Speaker 4: Music buyer, I'm the target demo, I'm.
Speaker 6: Their age group. And I can tell you that my
Speaker 6: friends wouldn't think this is cool.
Speaker 3: It's also just so interesting that like he wouldn't be
Speaker 3: open to your input considering you're you're a growing person,
Speaker 3: Like you're going to start having your own taste and
Speaker 3: learning what you like, and that's your job as an
Speaker 3: artist and as a person is to get older and
Speaker 3: stand up for yourself. It seems like you would have
Speaker 3: to welcome that because it's going to happen. You're going
Speaker 3: to grow, you're going to have your own voice.
Speaker 6: No, it wasn't like that, so, you know, I mean
Speaker 6: just I mean, I think that's that, you know, I
Speaker 6: would try to express my opinion, and I think for him,
Speaker 6: for you know, for George, it was really I've been
Speaker 6: doing this a long time, and you know, obviously I
Speaker 6: was right because look who you are now. So for
Speaker 6: you to come back and start telling me how this
Speaker 6: is going to work is like not going to work
Speaker 6: out for it. There's you know, and and you know,
Speaker 6: I think maybe that's a decision later on that might
Speaker 6: he might have regretted a little bit. You know, he's
Speaker 6: known to be a little stubborn. We're still friends, you know,
Speaker 6: he's a family member. Now we've had our ins and
Speaker 6: outs and everything, and I think, you know, talking to
Speaker 6: him sometimes he goes, hey, you know, even my own kids,
Speaker 6: I should listen more. You know, you live and you learn,
Speaker 6: you know. But at that time, I was really, you know,
Speaker 6: I was really struggling with it because I just wasn't
Speaker 6: crazy about a lot of the material. And then I
Speaker 6: would actually go out and perform it and it would flop.
Speaker 6: So I was like, oh, now I got to stick
Speaker 6: with some of these songs that aren't really working and
Speaker 6: I told you so kind of thing. The ballads I
Speaker 6: always loved. I think we picked some really great ballads
Speaker 6: on that album, and I still enjoy singing those today.
Speaker 6: So and then a lot of other of those ballads
Speaker 6: made hits in other territories, like in the Philippines and
Speaker 6: other marketplaces South Africa. So I think the second album,
Speaker 6: what it did do in a weird way, was broad
Speaker 6: in my fan base, but there weren't those hits on
Speaker 6: the charts like the first album, So of course you
Speaker 6: get the critics going, oh, oh, one hit, wonder now
Speaker 6: she's over with Goodbye Beza somewhere, you know, disappear, disappear
Speaker 6: from the second.
Speaker 5: The second album was called Hold an Old Friend's Hand,
Speaker 5: and it did go platinum.
Speaker 4: I'd like to say, I mean a flop. I mean,
Speaker 4: come come on.
Speaker 5: I mean, I understand that when you're trying to compare
Speaker 5: it to the success of the first album, but that
Speaker 5: also seems a bit like an impossible task to try
Speaker 5: and hold up to something that's really a once in
Speaker 5: a lifetime experience.
Speaker 4: So I mean, it definitely was not a flop.
Speaker 5: And there have always been talk about your insane fame
Speaker 5: in Asia?
Speaker 4: What was what was that?
Speaker 6: Like? It continues on. I just did my Spotify rap
Speaker 6: for twenty five and Philippines is number one territory. So
Speaker 6: it was number two the year before and this year
Speaker 6: this past number one, so we're coming back to the field.
Speaker 6: It's always been like that. I mean, I've always loved
Speaker 6: touring Asia, and I think again nostalgia there just they
Speaker 6: just embrace it full heart. You know, it's not like, oh,
Speaker 6: well yeah from thirty years ago. They're still just like
Speaker 6: loving your music. It's just it's part of their life.
Speaker 6: I don't know how to say it. And you know,
Speaker 6: every time I go there, I've been to so many
Speaker 6: countries there, and you know, the connection with the fans
Speaker 6: is just amazing. They're just crying a lot of ballads.
Speaker 6: Like I said, there's a lot of love for ballads there,
Speaker 6: and I think that's the difference. Especially in a lot
Speaker 6: of the places like Singapore, they go, oh, the voice,
Speaker 6: Tiffany the voice, rather than Tiffany, I think we're low
Speaker 6: now the girl that does that, I am that, But
Speaker 6: to them, I'm the voice. I'm this singer that sings
Speaker 6: all these wonderful, beautiful balanced, sappy songs that make them cry.
Speaker 6: And I love that actually too, So you know, I
Speaker 6: love that they see me, they saw me and they
Speaker 6: heard my voice because for so long, especially in America,
Speaker 6: I had to be no, I'm singing live, this is on,
Speaker 6: this is me, you know, and I think sometimes it
Speaker 6: got into my head where I wasn't really just able
Speaker 6: to have fun because I was so worried about critics saying, oh,
Speaker 6: she's manufactured, she's not a real singer. And for me,
Speaker 6: that was like my kryptonite literally because I grew up
Speaker 6: from country music listening to real singers, real songwriters, real performers,
Speaker 6: and you know, for somebody to go, oh, she's just
Speaker 6: a one hit wonder some young girls, she can't really
Speaker 6: sing that it's been man, I mean that was like, what,
Speaker 6: you know, that is so not me. I am a
Speaker 6: singer through and through. I may not be the best dancer,
Speaker 6: I may not even be the best performer. But I
Speaker 6: can sit here in front of you and sing. That
Speaker 6: is what I do. So I you know, it really
Speaker 6: got you know, into my into my spirit a little time.
Speaker 6: You know sometimes that I was just like, and I'm
Speaker 6: just going to sing. I'm just going to show them
Speaker 6: I could really sing, and I was so wrapped up
Speaker 6: in reviews and critics and people knowing that I was
Speaker 6: singing live that sometimes I wish I was just having fun.
Speaker 6: Because the fans were already there. I didn't have to
Speaker 6: really prove that to them. They wanted a moment with me,
Speaker 6: you know. So you know now, I think I live
Speaker 6: in the best of both worlds. I think people do
Speaker 6: know that I can sing. I've done so many different
Speaker 6: genres of music, which is intentional. I have fun with
Speaker 6: music now. I do what I want to do, and
Speaker 6: I sing the songs that I want to sing. And
Speaker 6: of course I always think I think Rolanel could have
Speaker 6: been all this time. But it's really cool, all these
Speaker 6: years later for people still to be writing, oh my gosh,
Speaker 6: I didn't know you could like that.
Speaker 8: I'm like, well, still trying to get the word out there,
Speaker 8: and it's awesome that you know that I'm still able
Speaker 8: to do it.
Speaker 6: It's awesome that you know that people are still paying attention.
Speaker 6: So and I love my fans that go, you know,
Speaker 6: you sound like the record, but better, your tone is better,
Speaker 6: like your range is better, and you've just gotten you know,
Speaker 6: you were always my singer, but you've just gotten better,
Speaker 6: and that, to me really makes my night. It really does.
Speaker 6: That's when I feel like, you know, ah, okay, this
Speaker 6: is it's fun. This is fun because they've seen my talent.
Speaker 2: I have a question for you.
Speaker 1: I know you were arguably one of the biggest busiest
Speaker 1: people on the planet at the time eighties eighty nine,
Speaker 1: but do you recall ever being on a Nickelodeon show
Speaker 1: called Don't Just Sit There?
Speaker 6: Oh? Oh, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure you were on my show back in
Speaker 2: the eighties.
Speaker 6: Oh, probably, Yeah, I did. I did a ton of shows.
Speaker 1: And I googled it and I was like, was she
Speaker 1: on Don't Just Sit There? And I think you were,
Speaker 1: so I'd love to try to find that.
Speaker 6: Yes, we should find that. I mean, to be honest
Speaker 6: with you, before I even had the record deal, I was.
Speaker 6: I did a lot of like B movies, I was
Speaker 6: an extra and a lot of stuff I did. I
Speaker 6: was like a background dancer for Kids Incorporated.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I did.
Speaker 6: That's when I was doing all of this. She's got
Speaker 6: to be a dancer, she's got to be a model.
Speaker 6: I took acting lessons with Jason Bateman from his dad.
Speaker 6: I did all these things, and I'd love to find
Speaker 6: that footage because it was like me and so let Moonfry.
Speaker 6: We were in the trailer with the teacher and I
Speaker 6: was only like eleven doing that kind of stuff, you know,
Speaker 6: being a Hollywood kid. I remember going to auditions and
Speaker 6: literally turning up and it was like Mario Lopez, Ricky Martin, Martique,
Speaker 6: myself and I mean me, Laura Harden, I like all
Speaker 6: these people together and then we all made it. I
Speaker 6: mean again, I don't know what that is. A We're
Speaker 6: very talented people and very dedicated people. But I also
Speaker 6: want to say that, you know, I don't know individually
Speaker 6: all their stories, but there was again something about the
Speaker 6: eighties that you know, people would say I'm going to
Speaker 6: make you a star, and they just like did it,
Speaker 6: followed it through. I don't know if that was selfish
Speaker 6: or their own claim to fame or money. I don't know,
Speaker 6: but all these people that I was literally doing auditions
Speaker 6: with became famous. What are the odds of all of that?
Speaker 6: I mean, I did auditions with them, used to hang
Speaker 6: on the hallway reading sides with them. Oh my god.
Speaker 6: I used to go to like birthday parties with them
Speaker 6: like after and all our parents would get together, so funny,
Speaker 6: you know, and we were all wanting to be you know, big,
Speaker 6: big and famous. We loved what we were doing.
Speaker 5: Wow, well, Tiffany, you have been able to survive and
Speaker 5: thrive this wild ride, releasing handfuls of studio albums, famously
Speaker 5: appearing on How I Met Your Mother, continuing to tour,
Speaker 5: If you could go back in time and give one
Speaker 5: piece of advice to young Norwalk Tiffany, maybe just on
Speaker 5: one of those very first mall tour shows. What piece
Speaker 5: of advice would you give her?
Speaker 6: Oh? Wow, you know I mean for me, and this
Speaker 6: is just being critical for myself. I loved I would
Speaker 6: have loved to have learned to play an instrument really well,
Speaker 6: to take that time for myself, because you know, I'm
Speaker 6: now learning and it's not as easy as an adults.
Speaker 6: It's just not something that just comes naturally to me.
Speaker 6: But it is a goal of mine to actually be
Speaker 6: able to play piano and sing my balance. That's something
Speaker 6: I want to do. So I probably would have said, wait,
Speaker 6: there's a step here. You know, I want you to
Speaker 6: learn piano. I want you to be able to be
Speaker 6: self sufficient. When you're writing songs. So that was a
Speaker 6: big thing for me. I wanted to be a songwriter.
Speaker 6: So I did take that time, came back to Nashville
Speaker 6: when my son was very young, and did nothing but that.
Speaker 6: I plugged myself into the Nashville songwriting community and just said,
Speaker 6: I want to be a songwriter. I want to be
Speaker 6: accepted as a songwriter, not for me, but as I
Speaker 6: want to make the cut. And I did that. So
Speaker 6: that is one of my proudest achievements for myself, because again,
Speaker 6: all of my idols were songwriters, so for me, that
Speaker 6: would probably the one thing that I went mister step
Speaker 6: you should have learned piano. Speaking of Debbie Gibson, you know,
Speaker 6: she plays beautifully and I love that when we've you know,
Speaker 6: done work together and you know, she goes to the
Speaker 6: piano and she plays, and I'm just like, oh, it's lovely.
Speaker 6: It's lovely to have that gift. I don't think I
Speaker 6: would change too much about me or my personality or
Speaker 6: my you know, the things that I've went through at all.
Speaker 6: I'm very much always looking forward to things rather than
Speaker 6: in the back. And I think everything that I've went
Speaker 6: through has always made me an old soul and that's okay,
Speaker 6: and very compassionate person because you know, I have this
Speaker 6: thing about all my friends. Listen, I'll never judge you,
Speaker 6: but if you know, if it's not good, we're not
Speaker 6: staying here. So don't call me because I'm a very
Speaker 6: proactive person. But I will get into the fire and
Speaker 6: in the flames with you and you won't hear me complaining.
Speaker 6: But we are going forward. I'm very much that person.
Speaker 6: So you know, I think all of the things that
Speaker 6: I went through maybe that person, and I think it's
Speaker 6: so needed in life, rather you're a celebrity or just
Speaker 6: you know, it's just an aunt. You know, people need
Speaker 6: to be encouraged, they need to be loved, they need
Speaker 6: to be accepted, you know, and they need to be
Speaker 6: celebrated sometimes, you know. So I mean, I think that's
Speaker 6: kind of what I try to do through my music
Speaker 6: and the people that I meet as my fans, but
Speaker 6: the people I work with as well, and of course
Speaker 6: my family will make me everything. So there's not too
Speaker 6: much to change, you know. I think if I had
Speaker 6: to go back and tell the little girl myself, I'd say,
Speaker 6: keep going, sister, you know, just write it out, don't
Speaker 6: even if when people give up on you or they
Speaker 6: say it's prove them wrong. Do it if you love
Speaker 6: it and live your life and a story.
Speaker 4: I love that. Where can people find you?
Speaker 6: Now?
Speaker 4: Where can where can we support you? And how can
Speaker 4: we support you?
Speaker 6: Tunes dot Com for all things tip world, you can go.
Speaker 6: That's my main hub, and that'll take you to radical
Speaker 6: Reds and all the jacket zooms that I do. I
Speaker 6: do have my own spice line out coming out with
Speaker 6: my own cookbook this year called pop Life, which really
Speaker 6: talks about the toying and my foodie love of all
Speaker 6: my travels. Everywhere I've went, I've always went to local businesses.
Speaker 6: I like to eat outside the hotel and see what's
Speaker 6: what's really going on in people's lives. And that's how
Speaker 6: you really get to know the culture and you know
Speaker 6: your travels. So that is reflected in the cookbook. But
Speaker 6: the cookbook is about eighties foods, all reworked, all legit
Speaker 6: for the adult kitchen now, so a lot of fun
Speaker 6: back to the eighties. Stofers Pizza reworked. We've got our
Speaker 6: puffy cheesy burgers, our mac and cheese. We were my favorite,
Speaker 6: which was chicken pop pie when I would get home
Speaker 6: from you know, school, my mom always had one, but
Speaker 6: I've made it my Mexican chicken pop pie. Being from
Speaker 6: East LA, got to have a little bit of something
Speaker 6: going on, and so I have my own spices as
Speaker 6: well that I'm uh, you know, I partner with a
Speaker 6: lot of restaurants and they're professionally bottled out of Flagler
Speaker 6: Beach and now I'm just working some food as well.
Speaker 6: Love it.
Speaker 5: Thank you so much for joining us. Thank you for
Speaker 5: sharing your story and your time with us. It's always
Speaker 5: a pleasure to see you.
Speaker 6: Thank you guys, everybody. Thanks guys.
Speaker 4: What an amazing story.
Speaker 3: Ye one, an amazing story. She's so I love that
Speaker 3: she's such a people person and she's so like down
Speaker 3: to earth that when she had this like meteoric a moment,
Speaker 3: it wasn't now I can ignore everybody and be a superstar.
Speaker 3: It was like, well, how do I connect to more people?
Speaker 6: How can you know?
Speaker 3: It's like when she lost when the mall tour became
Speaker 3: the stadium door, it sounds like, but what about all
Speaker 3: my friends? Yes, that's like such an inversion of what
Speaker 3: probably most people would think. You know, if you've worked
Speaker 3: that hard, for you know, but it obviously was always
Speaker 3: about connecting. For her, it was always about human and entertainment,
Speaker 3: and like the fact that she was singing to get
Speaker 3: there was just kind of a side effect of like
Speaker 3: wanting to have people. It's so cool.
Speaker 1: It's also just a bygone era because the idea that
Speaker 1: she's got a manager is like, we're gonna crash this
Speaker 1: record label. Just don't let the security stop. You hit
Speaker 1: the button and start singing. Now you just go on
Speaker 1: social media, you put up.
Speaker 3: Your own page.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, it's the easiest thing in the world with
Speaker 1: there like gorilla style running into these record labels and
Speaker 1: just having her sing.
Speaker 2: That's great.
Speaker 3: But she's so right that that is like a bygone
Speaker 3: era that there used to be this whole industry of
Speaker 3: like men yea, all men who would just like swoop
Speaker 3: in for like child talent and be like, I'm gonna
Speaker 3: make you a stop and then they just like force that,
Speaker 3: just make it happen and emuld It's like that's crazy.
Speaker 3: That was like a whole industry was people doing that
Speaker 3: and saying that. I mean, even when we talked like
Speaker 3: Nobody's Angel, it's like they were kind of always looking
Speaker 3: for that person and it kept changing and like who
Speaker 3: the manager is? Who the Oh my god, what a
Speaker 3: weird thing.
Speaker 2: Like I remember when I was eleven or twelve, she
Speaker 2: was everywhere.
Speaker 3: No, yeah, ifany was everywhere the first I remember being
Speaker 3: like addicted to like I had to keep period at
Speaker 3: that summer or whatever.
Speaker 1: She was so cute and it was like the perfect
Speaker 1: pop star. And again you watch her a mall and
Speaker 1: it was like, that's like where I'm from.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 2: It was such a brilliant concept.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know.
Speaker 4: I mean Orange Julia sounded like it was her mall
Speaker 4: go to? What was your mall? Food court go to?
Speaker 2: Well, Orange Julius, Oh god, oh Orange.
Speaker 4: Writer, did you have the mall go to?
Speaker 2: How about you can express express?
Speaker 4: Yeah, kankat chickgress.
Speaker 2: Can I make a suggestion for our next pod Mets
Speaker 2: World Live. It's a mall tour.
Speaker 6: There's no malls really.
Speaker 2: Left in the world, but.
Speaker 6: All tour.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, that's actually a really brilliant idea. But
Speaker 3: we will all to it.
Speaker 9: Like middle of the day, like twelve year twelthy court
Speaker 9: in the food court and so like they'll be like
Speaker 9: a signed seating, but there will also just be seats
Speaker 9: for the people who walking by, just like I need
Speaker 9: to take a break.
Speaker 2: Just there to eat lunch. Yeah, that's amazing.
Speaker 4: I love it. Well, you're a genius.
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Speaker 1: Sugarman exc I can give in charge of production Danielle Romo,
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