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Speaker 1: So you know how some of the breakups that you've

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Speaker 2: It's right, writers been with Alex for his entire life.

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Speaker 1: No, but like some people just don't want to let

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Speaker 2: I've I've had that recently, Yes, where no matter how

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Speaker 1: Every day, halls and texts starting at eight am, actual

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Speaker 3: No, they're not like.

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Speaker 2: It's termin X. I think we can work this out.

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Speaker 2: Do you like?

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Speaker 3: I know?

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Speaker 1: You answer no, I just there'll be voicemails like you

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Speaker 2: It's sad.

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Speaker 4: Why did you break up with them?

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Speaker 1: Because they were expensive and they weren't really doing much

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Speaker 3: It just it was new, it was exciting, and so

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Speaker 2: They were listening to me, Danielle. So what it was

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Speaker 1: Been with we've been with the you know you're with

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Speaker 3: So I don't even know what termin XINX is just

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Speaker 3: kind of anork and it's pest control exactly. You know,

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Speaker 2: It's a monthly service.

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Speaker 4: And they come they come to my house twice month.

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Speaker 2: Termin X or ORCD Western. Oh my god, you're with

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Speaker 1: So I'm in a relationship now with orcan but termin

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Speaker 2: Hey, it's termin X. Just thinking about you, just wondering

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Speaker 2: what you're up to. And I'm good without you.

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Speaker 1: But if you know, if you did ever want to

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Speaker 2: It's unbelievab. I've never had a breakup like this in

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I get it, you're hard to you're

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Speaker 2: I understand it too, But sometimes you gotta let go.

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Speaker 4: For the word man I did. I did recently get

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Speaker 3: If they had your your email or.

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Speaker 4: Yes, I knew that they I knew that they had

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Speaker 2: Was it a good reach out?

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Speaker 4: He was asking for money?

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Speaker 3: Oh no, yeah, that's that's so sad. You're gonna say

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Speaker 3: it was like, you know, hey, I've been thinking about.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I wanted to apologize, So go fund me.

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Speaker 6: Hmmm.

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Speaker 2: I thought i'd send it to your other email.

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Speaker 3: Go fund me, go you.

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Speaker 2: That's the shirt I want.

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Speaker 1: Go fund me, go go fund me.

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Speaker 2: That's tough, so yes, please termin x. I've moved on.

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Speaker 4: Check out Western. Check out Western.

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Speaker 1: I might have to check out Western because I'm having

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Speaker 5: You know, I think Western's really big on the rats.

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Speaker 5: They're good at They're good at them. Yeah, so maybe

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Speaker 5: Well before Britney Spears or Sabrina Carpenter or even a

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Speaker 5: Welcome to the show, eighties pop icon Tiffany.

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Speaker 6: Hello, holy guys or you, how are you good?

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Speaker 4: Thank you so much for joining us. This is an

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Speaker 5: Before I jump into our interview, I am wondering if

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Speaker 5: memory is very shoddy, but I am pretty sure did

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Speaker 5: we have a karaoke night.

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Speaker 4: Together with Lance? Back with Lance and Vince Vaughn and

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Speaker 4: Janet Jacks.

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Speaker 6: Girl that like the microphone? And yes, and I was

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Speaker 6: a big Debbie Gibson. Are you kidding? I think later?

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Speaker 6: I don't have to remember dad.

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Speaker 1: Okay, five hundred episodes of pre show chatter and this

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Speaker 3: I'm kidding.

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Speaker 6: I don't remember dead, to be honest with you.

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Speaker 4: Okay, don't you remember Janet? She did yeah, and she

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Speaker 6: Oh, I don't know. I remember Vince Vaughn, and I

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Speaker 6: boycotting the Planet originally because we were like eating downtown

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Speaker 4: My god, I know the song, got I know the song.

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Speaker 6: They were like okay, girl like, and we had the

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Speaker 6: but I became a little karaoke my cock that night.

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Speaker 6: I was sobered.

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Speaker 4: That's so funny.

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Speaker 6: I went not doing karaoke too. I know every song

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Speaker 6: It was the first time I met Vince Vawn and

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Speaker 6: of course Lance and I've been buddies for a while,

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Speaker 6: remember Deadbie in there, and do you remember you Janet?

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Speaker 5: Actually Janet was there, and that it is true that

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Speaker 2: And Tom cruise. Oh yeah, yeah, that was awesome.

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Speaker 3: We just never mentioned it. No, we never brought that

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Speaker 2: It was just so totally cool. Remember Tom, I was

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Speaker 3: Yeah, when Tom showed you how to bowl, like he

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Speaker 3: became a bowl the tom cake?

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Speaker 4: How's the tom cake you get every year?

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Speaker 6: You know? Since my my my little night out though,

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Speaker 6: again because I was like, no, I don't really karaoke,

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Speaker 6: And you want to sing it to us if it helps.

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Speaker 4: If it makes you feel any better about the night.

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Speaker 5: I didn't remember you being a micg so you know,

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Speaker 5: it's not like anybody walked awa away from it going

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Speaker 4: I did? Yeah?

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Speaker 6: We all say together. I did. I did have buddies.

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Speaker 6: I did wrangle in other people.

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Speaker 4: We did, we didn't. I think we did.

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Speaker 6: Hear the songs.

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Speaker 4: I think I did a duet. I don't think I did, like,

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Speaker 6: Now? I remember that, Yes, yes, and we did the

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Speaker 2: It's ironic that you did. I think you're alone now, together.

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Speaker 6: It's the requirement of mine nowadays. I don't want to

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Speaker 5: I want to go to start the interview. I want

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Speaker 5: to go all the way back to Star Search. It's

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Speaker 5: a nostalgic hallmark for us. And you finished second place.

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Speaker 5: You were only fourteen years old. What do you remember

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Speaker 6: I actually think I was twelve at the time. Wow, really,

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Speaker 6: And I remember me Laura. I think her name was

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Speaker 6: Melaura Hard. No, no, it wasn't Malaura. It wasn't it was.

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Speaker 2: Are you are you thinking of Melissa Moultrie?

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Speaker 5: Okay, But your first single was not I Think We're

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Speaker 5: that song fails to chart. So here you are, fourteen

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Speaker 5: How are you feeling at this point before the massive success,

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Speaker 6: Well, you know, I don't think that I really knew

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Speaker 6: I can tell you how I felt about the cover

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Speaker 6: And I come from school with my feather hair, my vans,

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Speaker 6: I was wearing that blue T shirt from school. So

437
00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:45,800
Speaker 6: we started and then they quickly went to Benetton, I

438
00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:50,080
Speaker 6: think Benetson and got me like these pastel colors, and

439
00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:53,760
Speaker 6: if you know, me. I'm not a Bassdale girl. So

440
00:23:54,359 --> 00:23:57,439
Speaker 6: they got me all these really pastel and then some

441
00:23:57,600 --> 00:24:01,359
Speaker 6: overalls and then somebody I was to crimp my hair.

442
00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:05,400
Speaker 6: Totally cool. I was doing it now. But we all

443
00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:07,480
Speaker 6: know in the eighties you don't double crimp.

444
00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:10,679
Speaker 2: We did, we did. We knew that, we knew that,

445
00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:12,840
Speaker 2: we did know we did, we should know that.

446
00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:14,240
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, okay, okay.

447
00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:16,600
Speaker 2: So I asked quickly what a double crimp is.

448
00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:18,440
Speaker 6: Oh, that's it.

449
00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:21,280
Speaker 2: Oh okay, big hair, Bigla got.

450
00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:24,920
Speaker 6: Big hair, big double crimped out for Sola hair. So

451
00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:27,359
Speaker 6: I had been waiting. They crimped my hair and I thought, oh,

452
00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:29,280
Speaker 6: that was kind of cool. And they even put some

453
00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:31,960
Speaker 6: lift gloss on me, and you know, I was okay

454
00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:34,680
Speaker 6: with the overall and the and the you know, past

455
00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:38,359
Speaker 6: our clothing whatever. There was a big sign that says

456
00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:43,400
Speaker 6: Danny plus Stiffney, and I was like okay. And then

457
00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:46,200
Speaker 6: we waited and we waited, and I don't know, they

458
00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:48,520
Speaker 6: were talking about a bunch of stuff, and then we

459
00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:53,120
Speaker 6: crimped my hair again and it literally went and then

460
00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:55,399
Speaker 6: it was like, okay, we gotta get it this, come on,

461
00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:57,320
Speaker 6: We've got to hurry all of a sudden, which is

462
00:24:57,440 --> 00:25:01,159
Speaker 6: classic industry, right, you wait, you way, you wait, and

463
00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:03,200
Speaker 6: then all of a sudden, hurry hurry, I'm like, well,

464
00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:06,399
Speaker 6: we're not prepared. We went full circle. Now we're not

465
00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:09,320
Speaker 6: prepared again. So I went on and I was just like,

466
00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:13,080
Speaker 6: oh my god, I don't like the way I look like.

467
00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:16,119
Speaker 6: I don't want to say anything because I'm I'm thrilled

468
00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:18,919
Speaker 6: to be here and I don't know how this really works.

469
00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:22,399
Speaker 6: But this doesn't really work for me. So the only

470
00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:25,320
Speaker 6: thing I could do was lean against the wall, cross

471
00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:29,159
Speaker 6: my legs, not smile, and try to be edgy and

472
00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:34,120
Speaker 6: cool in my own mind. And that was Danny plus Tiffany,

473
00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:37,399
Speaker 6: and so I remember when I saw the artwork, I

474
00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:40,480
Speaker 6: was like, oh, And then when I heard the song

475
00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:43,359
Speaker 6: didn't do it, I was like, because the artwork because

476
00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:48,000
Speaker 6: of that air. But actually we had sent it out

477
00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:52,480
Speaker 6: to radio and it just it wasn't It wasn't happening

478
00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:55,439
Speaker 6: like we weren't. It wasn't testing well, and so my

479
00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:58,399
Speaker 6: manager quickly changed it to I think we're low now.

480
00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:01,199
Speaker 6: The label didn't even know about it, really, and that

481
00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:04,600
Speaker 6: saved the day. But the funny thing now is in

482
00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:09,680
Speaker 6: all the shows that I do worldwide, the most requested

483
00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:12,520
Speaker 6: song is Danny Nobody.

484
00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:15,560
Speaker 4: Isn't that crazy?

485
00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:18,760
Speaker 6: Yeah, it is really crazy. So I make a joke

486
00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:20,560
Speaker 6: about it when I put it in the show because

487
00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:24,159
Speaker 6: I do, you know, I kind of I flip around

488
00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:25,720
Speaker 6: my shows all the time. You never know what you're

489
00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:28,000
Speaker 6: going to get. I like to keep people wondering, you know.

490
00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:30,840
Speaker 6: I mean, we have production, but then I have it

491
00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:33,399
Speaker 6: loose so that I can flip things out. Because a

492
00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:35,320
Speaker 6: lot of people write to me that they're coming to

493
00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:37,439
Speaker 6: the next show and I think he was born. They

494
00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:39,800
Speaker 6: don't want to see the same thing. So I'll taylor

495
00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:42,119
Speaker 6: make things for the night a little bit, especially for

496
00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:44,240
Speaker 6: the venue of what I want to do. And I've

497
00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:47,080
Speaker 6: been recently pulling old cuts that I haven't done in

498
00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:49,679
Speaker 6: like twenty years, so it's a lot of fun for me.

499
00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:53,200
Speaker 6: And Danny has been in and out of the show,

500
00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:56,480
Speaker 6: and everybody goes crazy for it, and I'm like, hold on,

501
00:26:57,040 --> 00:27:01,560
Speaker 6: did you not get a vote not fly or something?

502
00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:05,520
Speaker 6: They can it's not bombed and now it's like the

503
00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:09,200
Speaker 6: most requested song, So I'm having fun with that. Yeah,

504
00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:25,200
Speaker 6: and I'm couldn't be my hair right nowadays.

505
00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:32,080
Speaker 5: Well, along with changing the single too, I think we're alone. Now,

506
00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:36,879
Speaker 5: another incredible plan is concocted. Your management team sends you

507
00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:43,040
Speaker 5: to tour shopping malls around the country. I mean, performing

508
00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:47,280
Speaker 5: and winning over fans one at a time. It's the revolutionary,

509
00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:52,399
Speaker 5: the beautiful, you celebrating the good life. Shopping mall tour

510
00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:56,280
Speaker 5: eighty seven. First question, could they have come up with

511
00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:57,240
Speaker 5: a longer name?

512
00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:02,840
Speaker 6: Wait? Yeah, I had nothing to do with the name,

513
00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:07,520
Speaker 6: I think you know again. I was although I had

514
00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:12,280
Speaker 6: been signed, and although you know, I had the big

515
00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:15,320
Speaker 6: battle of all the labels wanting to sign me. Once

516
00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:19,600
Speaker 6: the album was done and delivered, there was just this

517
00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:24,200
Speaker 6: reluctance to move forward. A lot of people were like, well,

518
00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:27,159
Speaker 6: where does she perform now? So I started doing clubs

519
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:30,240
Speaker 6: in New York, which the music did really well, but

520
00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:33,359
Speaker 6: I wasn't even allowed to be there, right. I was

521
00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:35,920
Speaker 6: a minor. So I would go and do my thing,

522
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:38,960
Speaker 6: my thirty minutes you know of show, and then I'd

523
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:41,440
Speaker 6: have to go out the door. So there was no

524
00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:44,640
Speaker 6: connection to fans, and we were really struggling, how is

525
00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:47,680
Speaker 6: this going to cross over? How? You know? It's just

526
00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:50,400
Speaker 6: it's not working. So almost lost my record deal. They

527
00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:53,120
Speaker 6: almost shelfed me and It was my A and R guy,

528
00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:56,200
Speaker 6: Larry Salters at the time, who was walking through the

529
00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:59,560
Speaker 6: mall with his daughter, and he thought, so smart. They

530
00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:02,440
Speaker 6: have hair shows and they have fashion shows. Why can't

531
00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:05,960
Speaker 6: they have music. There's you know, And then they approached me.

532
00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:10,800
Speaker 6: My management sat down and they said, we're thinking malls.

533
00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:13,520
Speaker 6: You'll sing in malls. And I was like, well, I'm

534
00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:16,800
Speaker 6: sang in front of grocery stores, in front of the base.

535
00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:20,240
Speaker 6: I did all the vfws. I mean I did hoedowns

536
00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:23,479
Speaker 6: and all these things, backyard parties, so it wasn't like

537
00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:26,720
Speaker 6: a shocker to me. It was that's where my age

538
00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:27,480
Speaker 6: group hung out.

539
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:29,160
Speaker 2: Yes, right the A.

540
00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:34,720
Speaker 6: I was already really at the mall on the weekend,

541
00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:38,080
Speaker 6: so I was, yeah, I mean that that's where my

542
00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:42,840
Speaker 6: people are. And I remember doing my first mall. We

543
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:47,280
Speaker 6: flew out someplace out in San Francisco and the Bay Area,

544
00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:50,560
Speaker 6: and literally, of course, the word hadn't gotten out yet.

545
00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:53,680
Speaker 6: So there's all these chairs and then this little stage

546
00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:56,960
Speaker 6: and and we just had like a like a you know,

547
00:29:57,000 --> 00:30:01,600
Speaker 6: a little music system. So it didn't sound, you know,

548
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:04,400
Speaker 6: go through the mall too much, but in the direct

549
00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:07,360
Speaker 6: area it was quite loud and I remember some of

550
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:10,680
Speaker 6: the retail stores they were complaining, so I let management

551
00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:13,160
Speaker 6: deal with that. They weren't happy. They didn't know I

552
00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:15,720
Speaker 6: was coming. But I remember there was a lot of

553
00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:18,840
Speaker 6: people that sat in the chairs that were maybe a

554
00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:22,120
Speaker 6: little elder you know, they just wanted to play it,

555
00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:26,080
Speaker 6: or like moms that were pregnant just needed a break.

556
00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:27,560
Speaker 6: And then all of a sudden, I come out. I'm like,

557
00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:31,240
Speaker 6: I think we're with those now. Oh my god. You know,

558
00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:36,480
Speaker 6: a few people like again, some of the stores were

559
00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:39,360
Speaker 6: yelling and screaming. They didn't want us. There was blocking

560
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:42,239
Speaker 6: traffic and they didn't want to you know. So I

561
00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:44,760
Speaker 6: cried a few times in the first part of the

562
00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:48,960
Speaker 6: mall tour because it was just like, well, I'm really

563
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:52,160
Speaker 6: excited to be here and I think this will work.

564
00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:54,760
Speaker 6: But then they don't want us here. But you know that,

565
00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:57,000
Speaker 6: just stop a slice of pizza and I was good.

566
00:30:57,120 --> 00:31:00,520
Speaker 6: I was back on that stage. You're resilient and you

567
00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:04,520
Speaker 6: know the kid. And then it started to grow to

568
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:08,000
Speaker 6: where the radio picked it up, the local news picked

569
00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:10,480
Speaker 6: it up, and then we would have a couple hundred

570
00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:13,120
Speaker 6: people and then a couple of thousand people. But the

571
00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:18,680
Speaker 6: charm of the the mall toor was. I did get

572
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:22,480
Speaker 6: to meet people, and I got to talk to my

573
00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:26,120
Speaker 6: connect with my fan base I loved. Literally, we would

574
00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:28,440
Speaker 6: there would be a bunch of people behind me and

575
00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:31,360
Speaker 6: we'd go shopping and look at the stores together, and

576
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:33,280
Speaker 6: we'd go and have beats them and I'd be like, oh,

577
00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:35,800
Speaker 6: I gotta get back, and I'd do another show and

578
00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:39,080
Speaker 6: then the line would the tribe would grow even bigger

579
00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:42,720
Speaker 6: until we couldn't do it anymore. But you know, I

580
00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:45,840
Speaker 6: made lifelong friends. I still have some of my friends

581
00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:48,960
Speaker 6: from the mall tour, and I think that there was

582
00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:55,400
Speaker 6: something again magical about that because it really was that connection.

583
00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:59,560
Speaker 6: I came from country music, where it's all about the fan. Yeah,

584
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:03,680
Speaker 6: doing the mall tour was all about the fan. But

585
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:06,840
Speaker 6: let's also face it. You know, my age group, you

586
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:11,200
Speaker 6: know in the eighties was all about being together. So

587
00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:14,560
Speaker 6: you know, all three elements just worked for me. You know,

588
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:17,720
Speaker 6: I really I missed that. I cried again when we

589
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:19,719
Speaker 6: got too big for the mall and we had to

590
00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:23,600
Speaker 6: go to bigger venues because it was a nice problem

591
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:27,320
Speaker 6: to have, but it really was that, you know, I

592
00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:30,680
Speaker 6: don't know that nostalgia and that feeling of, you know,

593
00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:33,080
Speaker 6: we're in the mall together and it's just fun and

594
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:34,080
Speaker 6: my buddies, you know.

595
00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:37,560
Speaker 1: Well it was also just such a crossover too, because

596
00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:40,760
Speaker 1: I was so in eighty seven. I was eleven, and

597
00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:45,640
Speaker 1: so when the video dropped of I think we're alone

598
00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:48,480
Speaker 1: now in the mall tour, I think every guy my

599
00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:51,960
Speaker 1: age instantly fell in love with you, like instantly fell

600
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:53,560
Speaker 1: in love with you. And it was one of those

601
00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:56,640
Speaker 1: things where you were essentially probably the first pop star,

602
00:32:56,840 --> 00:32:59,080
Speaker 1: true pop star that I watched that was. I mean,

603
00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:01,880
Speaker 1: we weren't the same age, but close enough to where

604
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:03,680
Speaker 1: it was like, oh my god, she's at the mall.

605
00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:05,560
Speaker 1: All my friends are at the mall. She probably sits

606
00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:07,480
Speaker 1: then go gets an orange Julius.

607
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:11,880
Speaker 6: Like it did, but she did, Yes you done, good girl,

608
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:13,280
Speaker 6: Yes exactly.

609
00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:16,480
Speaker 1: So there was something about it that seeing you not

610
00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:19,840
Speaker 1: only they're obviously looking stunning, but hearing the music, which

611
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:23,040
Speaker 1: was really catchy, but also seeing you at a place

612
00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:26,280
Speaker 1: that my friends and I go, it just made you

613
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:29,240
Speaker 1: so relatable and so like, oh my god, this is

614
00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:30,880
Speaker 1: somebody I could hang out with, This is somebody I

615
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:31,640
Speaker 1: could have a crush on.

616
00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:35,680
Speaker 2: This, So it just it kind of revolutionized.

617
00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:38,200
Speaker 1: The whole what pop music was for somebody my age

618
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:42,440
Speaker 1: eleven twelve thirteen, because it was like you're looking at

619
00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:43,880
Speaker 1: a friend of yours, like you're looking at somebody you

620
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:45,920
Speaker 1: would go to school with. And that was something that

621
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:48,760
Speaker 1: had never been done before. It was slick without being

622
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:54,400
Speaker 1: overly produced, so it just looked like, man, I could hang.

623
00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:56,200
Speaker 2: Out with you. It was the coolest. It was totally

624
00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:56,680
Speaker 2: the coolest.

625
00:33:56,760 --> 00:34:00,280
Speaker 6: Yeah. Yeah, And I mean as a as an enter,

626
00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:06,240
Speaker 6: it has really spoiled me because that is kind of

627
00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:10,879
Speaker 6: the connection that I've wanted with my fans forever consistently.

628
00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:13,520
Speaker 6: So people come to meet and greets and they're like,

629
00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:16,840
Speaker 6: oh my gosh, because I always take what you know,

630
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:19,040
Speaker 6: we have a writer what's called a writer, and they

631
00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:22,120
Speaker 6: provide all the meat and cheese or whatever you want.

632
00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:25,080
Speaker 6: And I always keep the band's portioned separate. But in

633
00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:27,120
Speaker 6: my meet and greet, I always have like a little

634
00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:34,680
Speaker 6: green room and chairs, and I bring all the coffees, teas, water, beer,

635
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:37,960
Speaker 6: whatever it is, you know, and I sit there and

636
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:40,680
Speaker 6: I feed people. The people walk in and I'm like,

637
00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:42,360
Speaker 6: sit down and take a chair. We're not in it,

638
00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:45,759
Speaker 6: you know, and they're like uh, and even sometimes the

639
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:47,279
Speaker 6: venue is like I'm like, no, it's going to be

640
00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:49,400
Speaker 6: thirty or forty minute. This is a meet and greet.

641
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:52,480
Speaker 6: We're going to hang out, That's what it said. And

642
00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:54,600
Speaker 6: I'm always like, guy's got a big nut, have some

643
00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:58,120
Speaker 6: cheese and crackers, you know, have some coffee if you

644
00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:00,600
Speaker 6: need it, make yourself And people are like, this is

645
00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:04,280
Speaker 6: I've never had this before, because mostly it's a step

646
00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:06,000
Speaker 6: and repeating, it's in and out, and I go, no,

647
00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:10,239
Speaker 6: we're meeting each other like we did on the mall tour.

648
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:13,120
Speaker 6: We know you and that, And that's the chuckle thing

649
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:15,920
Speaker 6: is because I always go, how are you? What are

650
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:17,680
Speaker 6: you doing? I mean, why you were going to talk

651
00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:22,440
Speaker 6: to me and interview me? You know. Yeah, it's it's

652
00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:25,120
Speaker 6: I'm spoiled from the mall tour because I got to

653
00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:28,560
Speaker 6: literally do that even as a kid, go to pizza

654
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:33,480
Speaker 6: and and and hear about, oh, I've never been to Albany,

655
00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:36,840
Speaker 6: New York before, and I you know, I remember talking

656
00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:39,520
Speaker 6: to some girls and going what's it like here? Like

657
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:41,399
Speaker 6: what do you do? I know we have the mall,

658
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:44,200
Speaker 6: but like what's the fashion here? And like, you know,

659
00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:48,520
Speaker 6: and I would go back to small town you know, California, Norwalk,

660
00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:51,480
Speaker 6: and I'd be like, I just came from Albany's aging

661
00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:53,720
Speaker 6: here here like that, and then this is the fashion

662
00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:56,120
Speaker 6: there and my girlfriend being oh really, you know, and

663
00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:58,120
Speaker 6: I was like, bigger than life.

664
00:35:58,640 --> 00:35:59,719
Speaker 2: But that's that's the thing.

665
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:02,239
Speaker 1: That's what was so genius about it is, you know,

666
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:04,600
Speaker 1: these guys grew up in California, and as a kid

667
00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:07,239
Speaker 1: from a small town in Connecticut, I'd watch movies growing

668
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:07,560
Speaker 1: up that.

669
00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:08,480
Speaker 2: Took place in California.

670
00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:10,279
Speaker 1: There's the beach and all this stuff and which just

671
00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:11,760
Speaker 1: seemed like it's magical world.

672
00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:13,720
Speaker 2: But a mall is a mall.

673
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:16,520
Speaker 1: So my mall in Connecticut was the same as the

674
00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:19,959
Speaker 1: mall here in California. And seeing you play the mall,

675
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:21,680
Speaker 1: it was like, oh, you might as well be here

676
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:22,640
Speaker 1: in Connecticut with me.

677
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:24,160
Speaker 2: So really brilliant.

678
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:27,200
Speaker 3: I have a question because we grew up, you know,

679
00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:29,800
Speaker 3: when we were working, it was a very controlled situation

680
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:32,160
Speaker 3: in terms of location. Right, we're going to set, and

681
00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:35,960
Speaker 3: so we had three hours of school guaranteed. Like, what

682
00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:38,160
Speaker 3: were you doing because it sounds like, by the age

683
00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:41,000
Speaker 3: of ten, were you even going to school anymore? What

684
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:41,520
Speaker 3: was happening?

685
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:46,920
Speaker 6: It was so all through my career. Up until heaving touring,

686
00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:50,279
Speaker 6: I was attending school, so I used to go to

687
00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:53,799
Speaker 6: the studio right after school do my homework while they

688
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:56,919
Speaker 6: were getting tracks together, and I would be there till

689
00:36:56,960 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 6: two three in the morning, go home, and then go

690
00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:03,400
Speaker 6: right back to school. So a lot of my vocals

691
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:06,120
Speaker 6: were actually recorded at one two in the morning. To

692
00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:09,120
Speaker 6: get that rasp. My producer would go, what can I

693
00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:11,560
Speaker 6: do to get that rasp? But it was like pepperoni

694
00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:15,759
Speaker 6: pizza and no sleep. Oh, so he'd be like, all right,

695
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:18,000
Speaker 6: go to sleep for a couple hours. We'll wake you up.

696
00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:21,120
Speaker 6: Because there was always back then, especially to tape, there

697
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:24,279
Speaker 6: was always something to do, and you know, and they

698
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:27,160
Speaker 6: were like, you know, splicing things and doing or whatever,

699
00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:31,239
Speaker 6: recording guitars. I was there the whole process, so you know,

700
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:33,240
Speaker 6: sometimes they'd wake me up at one in the morning

701
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:36,080
Speaker 6: and I do a vocal and then they would drive

702
00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:37,960
Speaker 6: me all the way back home. It was an hour

703
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:42,000
Speaker 6: back home, and so you know, that's just I wanted

704
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:44,000
Speaker 6: to do it. So it wasn't a burden to me.

705
00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:46,800
Speaker 6: My mom had a harder job because she had to

706
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:50,000
Speaker 6: wake me up for school the next morning. But you know,

707
00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:52,880
Speaker 6: we all made it work. Really it was a process.

708
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:56,960
Speaker 6: But then when I started to tour extensively and tour

709
00:37:57,000 --> 00:37:59,719
Speaker 6: all over the world. I remember were Rolling Stone wanted

710
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:02,120
Speaker 6: to cut and do an article on me and I

711
00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:06,760
Speaker 6: was about, oh, probably about eight months into my tour,

712
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:12,280
Speaker 6: and yeah, school had kind of taken a back side

713
00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:15,160
Speaker 6: a little bit, and they were like, well, we want

714
00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:17,440
Speaker 6: to show her the day in the life of Tiffany,

715
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:19,800
Speaker 6: and then we want to show her with her tutor.

716
00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:27,200
Speaker 6: And everybody was like, oh, that's a missing part right now.

717
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:32,640
Speaker 6: So basically, my drummer, yeah, I mean we were scrambling

718
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:35,680
Speaker 6: because you can't go and find one then because you know,

719
00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:39,000
Speaker 6: I really tip it off. And my drummer was a

720
00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:43,080
Speaker 6: certified teacher, so he said, look, I will help you

721
00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:46,080
Speaker 6: guys out, but she really has to be in school

722
00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:47,800
Speaker 6: with me. I'm not going to put my license and

723
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:51,040
Speaker 6: all my credibility in all this, but she should be

724
00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:54,000
Speaker 6: in school. Yeah, I think we would. We had some

725
00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:57,759
Speaker 6: like school packets from my high school that were it

726
00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:00,760
Speaker 6: was lose based, you know, but no, I wasn't really

727
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:06,440
Speaker 6: in school for a minute, and so we fixed that. So, yes,

728
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:10,600
Speaker 6: my drummer is still one of my besties. His name

729
00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:14,799
Speaker 6: is Craigie Amic and we called him Big Bird because

730
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:19,040
Speaker 6: he's really tall. And yeah, he helped me graduate. I

731
00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:21,640
Speaker 6: had my packets, and we actually changed me to a

732
00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:26,400
Speaker 6: private school where I would have these weekly packets to do,

733
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:30,560
Speaker 6: and I took my band on all of my field trips.

734
00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:34,120
Speaker 6: We went all over the place. I love history. I

735
00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:37,520
Speaker 6: love geography for that reason because I was living it

736
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:41,960
Speaker 6: and you know, and so I just drug everybody on

737
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:44,560
Speaker 6: field trips with me. And then, you know, we tailored

738
00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:47,879
Speaker 6: a lot of my curriculum to being on the road.

739
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:50,080
Speaker 6: I got to write a lot of essays and things

740
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:53,840
Speaker 6: like that. But yeah, I did graduate. I did graduate.

741
00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:59,200
Speaker 5: You mentioned the fashion and your style was such a

742
00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:03,080
Speaker 5: crucial part of the Tiffany story. You dressed like all

743
00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:07,239
Speaker 5: of us dressed at the mall, jean jackets, oversized sweaters, leggings, scrunchies.

744
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:10,480
Speaker 4: Was that also your real life wardrobe at the time

745
00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:13,640
Speaker 4: or did you have a different style? Okay, no, that

746
00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:14,360
Speaker 4: was really I.

747
00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:17,600
Speaker 6: Mean, I've always loved black, I've always loved again. As

748
00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:20,320
Speaker 6: I started to find the rockers, Stevie Nicks, I always

749
00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:23,200
Speaker 6: loved the shawls and all that, you know, So that

750
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:26,880
Speaker 6: was a big part of me, but girls my age

751
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:29,799
Speaker 6: weren't really wearing that. You know, it was hard to

752
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:33,040
Speaker 6: find that. I remember when I found my first actual

753
00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:37,879
Speaker 6: like shawl. It was in Charlotte Rouths and my dad

754
00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:41,160
Speaker 6: but I still have it. Actually loved Chares, so my

755
00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:42,680
Speaker 6: dad bought it. He was like, what, how are you

756
00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:45,239
Speaker 6: going to wear this? Like, you know, I said, yeah,

757
00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:48,520
Speaker 6: Stevie Hicks, I have to have this. So I ended

758
00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:51,359
Speaker 6: up like being in my bedroom like twirling around doing

759
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:54,160
Speaker 6: all Stevie's moves. So it was a thing and I

760
00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:56,720
Speaker 6: still have it. It's like a it's a value piece

761
00:40:56,760 --> 00:41:00,440
Speaker 6: for me. But jean jackets that was the thing. You know.

762
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:05,200
Speaker 6: Randy Saint Nicholas made me the jean jacket girl by

763
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:07,799
Speaker 6: a safe literally she had it in the car. But

764
00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:11,880
Speaker 6: that was the fashion. You know. What I wore before

765
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:16,800
Speaker 6: that was, you know again Vans tennis shoes, feathered hair.

766
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:19,600
Speaker 6: You know, I was just you know, just kind of

767
00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:22,880
Speaker 6: like regular teas. And I had to have my Jordash jeans.

768
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:29,480
Speaker 6: That was a big thing. So that it's just jam

769
00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:33,719
Speaker 6: big hoop earrings. We haven't changed there, guys. And you

770
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:36,319
Speaker 6: know it's funny now full circle for me because I'm

771
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:39,920
Speaker 6: launching a jacket line now off of my online boutique

772
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:44,080
Speaker 6: called Radical Reds. So for charity, I actually trick out

773
00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:47,239
Speaker 6: your jacket. They're all one of a kime custom You

774
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:50,480
Speaker 6: can order a zoom package with me and you get

775
00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:53,400
Speaker 6: to zoom like this with me, and basically there's like

776
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:56,200
Speaker 6: four styles. But then we trick it out for you,

777
00:41:56,200 --> 00:42:00,000
Speaker 6: your colors, your grammity, and we do custom made patches

778
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:03,440
Speaker 6: is and I raise money for Children's Miracle Network. Because

779
00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:06,000
Speaker 6: I've been working with the charity for a while and

780
00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:10,440
Speaker 6: then being so extensive on the tours all the time,

781
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:12,200
Speaker 6: I thought, oh gosh, what can I do to keep

782
00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:14,360
Speaker 6: it up. I can't do the concerts, I can't be

783
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:16,880
Speaker 6: in Florida of all the places that we really you know,

784
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:20,520
Speaker 6: kind of do hands on stuff. I thought, hmm, I

785
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:22,680
Speaker 6: can go back to making jackets. That would be a

786
00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:26,440
Speaker 6: lot of fun. And I'm really good at it because

787
00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:30,480
Speaker 6: I mean that's what we did, right, make jackets. So

788
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:33,440
Speaker 6: so I paint, I tie die, I do all of that.

789
00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:37,360
Speaker 6: I stitch, I do the lacing, and then I've partnered

790
00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:40,759
Speaker 6: with another girl here, so we've been real successful with

791
00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:43,799
Speaker 6: raising a lot of money, even even just recently on

792
00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:46,399
Speaker 6: the top of this year, I've been banging out those

793
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:48,319
Speaker 6: jackets and it's a lot of fun, and it does

794
00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:51,080
Speaker 6: remind me of the eighties. Yeah, it reminds me of

795
00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:55,080
Speaker 6: the kid in myself. And then now as i'm you know,

796
00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:57,399
Speaker 6: I just went to Vegas and saw the new kids

797
00:42:57,440 --> 00:43:00,359
Speaker 6: on the block. Wanted to make sure I saw their show.

798
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:04,520
Speaker 6: It's amazing. But then those are my girls, you know,

799
00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:08,080
Speaker 6: the blockheads are my girls as well, and they're all

800
00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:11,280
Speaker 6: sitting there with their jean jackets and their leather jackets,

801
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:13,440
Speaker 6: and I'm all, girl, I could check that out for you.

802
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:17,200
Speaker 6: I can do that. Talk to me later, let zoom.

803
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:21,239
Speaker 6: But you know, it's it's great because, I mean, there

804
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:24,399
Speaker 6: was just something so magical about the eighties. I don't

805
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:28,200
Speaker 6: know really what it is. It's not just the music,

806
00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:31,520
Speaker 6: it's not just the mall, it's not just the fashion.

807
00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:36,319
Speaker 6: There was this connection. I think, like you're saying, it

808
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:40,239
Speaker 6: didn't matter if you were California or New York. Somehow

809
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:43,640
Speaker 6: we were all living it together. It just there was

810
00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:47,239
Speaker 6: that connection you just knew, even though you didn't know,

811
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:50,480
Speaker 6: you know, it was like and I don't know that

812
00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:53,320
Speaker 6: that's ever happened again. It was a special.

813
00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:54,400
Speaker 2: Everything was big.

814
00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:59,000
Speaker 1: Everything was big, big hair, big jackets, big shoulder pads,

815
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:03,520
Speaker 1: big music. Everything in the eighties was big, and it

816
00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:06,000
Speaker 1: was just it was there's something kind of wonderful about that.

817
00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:07,080
Speaker 2: It's like the bigger, the better.

818
00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:09,160
Speaker 6: It was great and unique. I mean, you could be

819
00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:13,120
Speaker 6: as wild as you wanted to be, yeah, or you know,

820
00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:15,120
Speaker 6: for me, I always look at me and think I

821
00:44:15,239 --> 00:44:19,520
Speaker 6: was pretty plain, although I wasn't. But for me compared

822
00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:21,440
Speaker 6: to you know, people that I met later on, like

823
00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:24,840
Speaker 6: Adam Ann or Cyndi Laupper, you know, or even like

824
00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:27,720
Speaker 6: Billie Idol, you know, I was like, oh wow, that's cool.

825
00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:30,000
Speaker 6: Eric a costume, you know, and it's like, but it's

826
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:32,120
Speaker 6: not really it's them, you know. And I was like,

827
00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:35,560
Speaker 6: oh wow, cool different colored hair. And I always wanted

828
00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:37,600
Speaker 6: to do more of that, and of course I was

829
00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:42,879
Speaker 6: highly discouraged from changing anything as I wanted to grow up.

830
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:46,080
Speaker 6: I wanted to experiment with makeup. Oh no, I wanted

831
00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:48,920
Speaker 6: to change my hair color. Oh no. You know, they

832
00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:51,319
Speaker 6: were like, you just have to be the Tiffany doll

833
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:56,840
Speaker 6: for forever, and that wasn't really doable for me. I

834
00:44:56,880 --> 00:45:00,279
Speaker 6: don't think that it was you know, really gonna keep

835
00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:02,880
Speaker 6: happening for a young girl because I saw my friends

836
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:06,600
Speaker 6: going in different directions and fashion was changing, and you know,

837
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:08,720
Speaker 6: as a young girl, you want to be a little

838
00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:12,520
Speaker 6: bit more, you know, hot and sexy and try different things.

839
00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:15,040
Speaker 6: And finally, when I did do that, a new inside

840
00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:18,520
Speaker 6: I totally rebelled. Changed my hair. It was like purple

841
00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:21,399
Speaker 6: black color and Boostia's came out.

842
00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:25,320
Speaker 7: Oh yeah, what I do.

843
00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:28,320
Speaker 1: Now when you're having all the success, are you able

844
00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:30,200
Speaker 1: to have any semblance of a real life?

845
00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:33,240
Speaker 2: Can you date and you know, hang out with your friends?

846
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:35,520
Speaker 1: Were you Were you able to just kind of live

847
00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:38,440
Speaker 1: the life of a fifteen or sixteen year old of

848
00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:40,120
Speaker 1: any sense of normalcy or no?

849
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:45,480
Speaker 6: I did? I think that I did to some degree.

850
00:45:45,680 --> 00:45:50,480
Speaker 6: I mean I really loved Tori and being on the road,

851
00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:52,359
Speaker 6: and I love my band, and I love what I

852
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:54,719
Speaker 6: was doing. I think I've always just been grateful to

853
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:58,520
Speaker 6: be able to do it. So to me, that was

854
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:02,240
Speaker 6: my first love and my first passion. So going back home,

855
00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:05,480
Speaker 6: I missed my family. I miss my little sisters, but

856
00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:07,560
Speaker 6: I also got to bring them on the road here

857
00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:11,359
Speaker 6: and there. You know, I think in my household there

858
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:14,840
Speaker 6: was a lot of problems there was a lot of alcoholism,

859
00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:19,440
Speaker 6: there was a lot of divorces, chaos. So although I

860
00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:23,560
Speaker 6: missed my family, I didn't miss that, and being on

861
00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:27,080
Speaker 6: the road, for me felt safer. It was a more

862
00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:31,759
Speaker 6: happier place to be, and I was, you know, I

863
00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:35,919
Speaker 6: was comforted there when I would go home. Although you're

864
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:39,560
Speaker 6: always torn, especially being the daughter of an alcoholic, you

865
00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:43,480
Speaker 6: always feel like you have to have that responsibility. I

866
00:46:43,560 --> 00:46:47,160
Speaker 6: worried a lot, but then in a couple of days,

867
00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:50,320
Speaker 6: you know, being home, I would wilt. I just get

868
00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:53,680
Speaker 6: like kind of depressed. Again. I love my family, but

869
00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:58,120
Speaker 6: you know, people were making choices that I couldn't control.

870
00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:03,760
Speaker 6: And by that time I had other options a place

871
00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:07,000
Speaker 6: to be. When I was really young and I hadn't

872
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:12,080
Speaker 6: you know, gotten the music deal, I literally was like

873
00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:15,960
Speaker 6: sitting outside listening to Joan Jet, you know, listening to

874
00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:19,000
Speaker 6: bad reputation, going one day, that's it, I'm going to

875
00:47:19,080 --> 00:47:23,320
Speaker 6: leave this, you know, and and kind of running away

876
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:27,640
Speaker 6: into music from the chaos in my home. Music was

877
00:47:27,719 --> 00:47:30,279
Speaker 6: really my therapy. It was my comforter, was all of

878
00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:34,719
Speaker 6: those things. So you know, once I got successful, I

879
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:37,520
Speaker 6: was like, you know, I really just rather be on tour,

880
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:41,080
Speaker 6: like you know, I'd rather be with my band. It's happier,

881
00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:45,080
Speaker 6: you know. I think I kind of also got to

882
00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:48,400
Speaker 6: a point where I was like, I can't control this, like,

883
00:47:48,719 --> 00:47:54,200
Speaker 6: you know, I can't make decisions for people, and I

884
00:47:54,239 --> 00:47:58,000
Speaker 6: hope my family gets healthier sometimes, you know. I look

885
00:47:58,080 --> 00:48:00,760
Speaker 6: back at that time, it got worse just some degree,

886
00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:03,279
Speaker 6: because there was money and there was pain, and there

887
00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:06,480
Speaker 6: was more pressure on my family, and then people of

888
00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:08,640
Speaker 6: course were poking their nose and that's when I had

889
00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:11,719
Speaker 6: the emancipation and all of that. And for me, it

890
00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:14,200
Speaker 6: was never like I got bigger than my parents, and

891
00:48:14,239 --> 00:48:17,759
Speaker 6: I wanted to just say screw them. It really was.

892
00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:21,600
Speaker 6: I couldn't do bold. I couldn't be touring the world

893
00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:24,520
Speaker 6: and all the expectation and all of that and coming

894
00:48:24,640 --> 00:48:29,160
Speaker 6: home to a chaotic, not changing environment. So I wanted

895
00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:32,160
Speaker 6: to go live with my grandmother at the time, which

896
00:48:32,200 --> 00:48:36,520
Speaker 6: eventually I did do. But my mom, of course, had

897
00:48:36,560 --> 00:48:38,840
Speaker 6: always really depended on me. You know, I was the

898
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:42,719
Speaker 6: oldest of the three girls, and you know, she kind

899
00:48:42,719 --> 00:48:45,640
Speaker 6: of in her own way depended on me to always

900
00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:48,120
Speaker 6: be there, and so she didn't really want to let

901
00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:50,680
Speaker 6: me go, you know, and it took her a long

902
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:53,720
Speaker 6: time to kind of let me go live with my grandmother.

903
00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:57,279
Speaker 6: And it took all that ugly emancipation stuff, which got

904
00:48:57,400 --> 00:49:01,879
Speaker 6: so crazy really because you know, obviously you've got attorneys

905
00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:06,640
Speaker 6: and then they start doing things that you didn't really

906
00:49:06,719 --> 00:49:10,520
Speaker 6: authorize and becomes their battle, you know, to some degree,

907
00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:13,640
Speaker 6: and I was like, oh no, I I'm not thinking

908
00:49:13,680 --> 00:49:15,520
Speaker 6: that way, and it's like we've got to win this,

909
00:49:15,640 --> 00:49:18,200
Speaker 6: and I'm like, well, this is my family as well.

910
00:49:18,239 --> 00:49:20,840
Speaker 6: Hold on a second, you know. So I think I

911
00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:25,160
Speaker 6: learned a lot there as well, being a celebrity and

912
00:49:25,239 --> 00:49:29,080
Speaker 6: having all your mess aired out. I try now to

913
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:31,600
Speaker 6: you know, talk it out. It's better to talk it

914
00:49:31,640 --> 00:49:35,760
Speaker 6: out in person. But my family actually got really healthy.

915
00:49:36,239 --> 00:49:39,440
Speaker 6: My mom did get sober after all of that, and

916
00:49:39,520 --> 00:49:41,879
Speaker 6: so it was kind of like, you know, sometimes things

917
00:49:41,960 --> 00:49:45,840
Speaker 6: have to get really ugly to you know, to force

918
00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:49,280
Speaker 6: a change. So you know, I mean, it was really

919
00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:53,000
Speaker 6: awful at the time, but you know, in the long run,

920
00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:56,080
Speaker 6: it became the healthier thing to do. She did get sober,

921
00:49:56,120 --> 00:50:00,200
Speaker 6: and she's a great grandmother to my today. Actually as

922
00:50:00,239 --> 00:50:03,920
Speaker 6: we're talking was the day she passed away, so earlier today.

923
00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:06,960
Speaker 6: Every year, my sister and I my sisters and I

924
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:09,960
Speaker 6: and now my whole family. I have two a niece

925
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:13,239
Speaker 6: and a nephew, an extended family. We've I've moved them

926
00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:16,759
Speaker 6: all to Nashville. We go and have donuts in the

927
00:50:16,760 --> 00:50:19,959
Speaker 6: morning at coffee and donuts and membrance of my mom

928
00:50:20,280 --> 00:50:24,560
Speaker 6: because that was her jam donuts and we taught mom stories,

929
00:50:24,600 --> 00:50:29,439
Speaker 6: you know, and it's really great to have that end

930
00:50:29,480 --> 00:50:32,680
Speaker 6: of her life positivity and that she got it together

931
00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:36,759
Speaker 6: and was very present in all of our lives. And yeah,

932
00:50:36,760 --> 00:50:39,520
Speaker 6: it's a beautiful thing. So very happy about that.

933
00:50:39,920 --> 00:50:56,600
Speaker 5: Yeah, so the mall tour plan works. The single I

934
00:50:56,600 --> 00:50:59,919
Speaker 5: Think We're Alone now hits number one on the Billboard chart.

935
00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:04,359
Speaker 5: Your mall tour is successful. You do sixty shows as

936
00:51:04,440 --> 00:51:06,680
Speaker 5: part of the mall tour, then you go on the

937
00:51:06,719 --> 00:51:10,880
Speaker 5: Tonight show. You're selling out stadiums. And you had quite

938
00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:13,839
Speaker 5: the openers on that tour with a little group out

939
00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:20,200
Speaker 5: of Boston called New Kids on the Block. You fought

940
00:51:20,200 --> 00:51:24,279
Speaker 5: for them to give them that huge opportunity. What were

941
00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:27,080
Speaker 5: they like, pre fame, just trying to make it on

942
00:51:27,120 --> 00:51:27,520
Speaker 5: the road.

943
00:51:28,040 --> 00:51:31,960
Speaker 6: Well, actually, I mean there really was no fight. I

944
00:51:32,040 --> 00:51:34,759
Speaker 6: got in trouble after the call that I made, But

945
00:51:35,040 --> 00:51:40,480
Speaker 6: you know. I was at a venue in New York actually,

946
00:51:41,160 --> 00:51:45,000
Speaker 6: and for my opening act, we couldn't think of one

947
00:51:45,040 --> 00:51:49,359
Speaker 6: that really fit, some people, said a comedian. I said, well,

948
00:51:49,360 --> 00:51:51,839
Speaker 6: what's funny to like a sixteen year old? Isn't going

949
00:51:51,880 --> 00:51:54,359
Speaker 6: to be funny to a twelve year old? And yeah,

950
00:51:54,520 --> 00:51:57,479
Speaker 6: I don't know. And then we had tried a few

951
00:51:57,480 --> 00:52:01,480
Speaker 6: other artists and it just wasn't really worse game. So

952
00:52:01,520 --> 00:52:04,480
Speaker 6: I didn't have anybody, and they just play like you know,

953
00:52:04,600 --> 00:52:07,600
Speaker 6: eighties music, and people would show up, and so you know,

954
00:52:07,719 --> 00:52:11,239
Speaker 6: that's not great. You need an opening act, you know.

955
00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:14,439
Speaker 6: So we were looking for somebody, and my agent had

956
00:52:14,520 --> 00:52:18,120
Speaker 6: just signed new kids on the block, so he brought

957
00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:21,319
Speaker 6: them to meet me, and my manager happened to not

958
00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:24,759
Speaker 6: be there that day. And it was my best friend

959
00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:26,759
Speaker 6: used to go on the road with me in this summertime,

960
00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:29,600
Speaker 6: my girlfriend, Sanita, you come up on the road with me.

961
00:52:29,640 --> 00:52:32,759
Speaker 6: So I had somebody my age and we were backstage

962
00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:39,359
Speaker 6: having lunch, and is isn't there actually don't? I just know.

963
00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:41,880
Speaker 6: I think there's footage of the first show, but I

964
00:52:42,280 --> 00:52:44,680
Speaker 6: know if there's backstage footage.

965
00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:46,759
Speaker 1: There's some footage that I saw one time of them

966
00:52:46,920 --> 00:52:50,480
Speaker 1: almost like auditioning for you new kids on the block.

967
00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:53,440
Speaker 6: Now, I didn't take that footage, I know. I know

968
00:52:53,719 --> 00:52:55,640
Speaker 6: that I did it. Maybe they did, I don't know,

969
00:52:56,239 --> 00:53:00,600
Speaker 6: but I know they came back, and of course John like, hey,

970
00:53:00,640 --> 00:53:02,440
Speaker 6: I just signed these guys. I'm thinking it might be

971
00:53:02,440 --> 00:53:05,120
Speaker 6: a good fit. You know. I wanted them to meet you,

972
00:53:05,120 --> 00:53:07,319
Speaker 6: you know, and I you know, if you're out for it,

973
00:53:07,360 --> 00:53:09,840
Speaker 6: they'd like to do a number, you know. I know

974
00:53:09,920 --> 00:53:13,680
Speaker 6: that George isn't here, and I was like, okay, you know,

975
00:53:13,719 --> 00:53:16,120
Speaker 6: and they came in and it was like five really

976
00:53:16,200 --> 00:53:19,640
Speaker 6: cute guys, you know, and Anita was like yeah, you know,

977
00:53:20,360 --> 00:53:23,239
Speaker 6: and then they put the bump box down, you know,

978
00:53:23,920 --> 00:53:26,640
Speaker 6: and they started doing I think it might have been

979
00:53:27,120 --> 00:53:30,000
Speaker 6: Hanging Tough or I think it might have been hanging

980
00:53:30,080 --> 00:53:33,319
Speaker 6: dead or the right stuff. It was one of the

981
00:53:33,360 --> 00:53:37,719
Speaker 6: earlier songs. Sorry guys, I can't remember, but I mean

982
00:53:38,040 --> 00:53:40,239
Speaker 6: they had all the moves and every and then they

983
00:53:40,239 --> 00:53:43,200
Speaker 6: were really nice, you know, and I just was like,

984
00:53:43,840 --> 00:53:46,239
Speaker 6: that makes sense to me. I mean they were I

985
00:53:46,280 --> 00:53:49,719
Speaker 6: love the songs, I love the moves, I love you know,

986
00:53:49,760 --> 00:53:53,360
Speaker 6: they seem really nice. And so I said, well, again,

987
00:53:53,400 --> 00:53:56,960
Speaker 6: there's that country music element in me. If you want

988
00:53:57,000 --> 00:53:59,200
Speaker 6: to do something, do it right now. You know, if

989
00:53:59,239 --> 00:54:01,319
Speaker 6: you want to sing, you'll get up and sing right now.

990
00:54:01,719 --> 00:54:03,839
Speaker 6: So that's where I came from. So I was like, look,

991
00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:06,759
Speaker 6: I don't have anybody opening up for me tonight, so

992
00:54:06,760 --> 00:54:10,279
Speaker 6: why don't we try it? You have your tracks, you know.

993
00:54:10,360 --> 00:54:13,560
Speaker 6: They were like really, I was like yeah. So they

994
00:54:13,560 --> 00:54:15,719
Speaker 6: went out there and they opened the show, and I

995
00:54:15,800 --> 00:54:22,280
Speaker 6: just heard all these girls backstage gaming and I was like, yay,

996
00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:24,080
Speaker 6: I did a good thing. I think this is going

997
00:54:24,160 --> 00:54:26,920
Speaker 6: to work out. You know, it just makes sense really,

998
00:54:27,560 --> 00:54:30,000
Speaker 6: And then I remember the next day, I got the

999
00:54:30,040 --> 00:54:32,840
Speaker 6: phone call. You don't make decisions like that, you know, what,

1000
00:54:32,920 --> 00:54:36,680
Speaker 6: are you crazy? Like, you know, there's there's legalities here,

1001
00:54:36,880 --> 00:54:38,960
Speaker 6: there's things to negotiation, and I was like, oh, look

1002
00:54:39,000 --> 00:54:41,879
Speaker 6: that's the business side. I don't know. But it worked, yeah,

1003
00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:45,440
Speaker 6: Like and and you know, I kind of felt great

1004
00:54:45,480 --> 00:54:49,000
Speaker 6: helping another artist, you know, out, another group out because

1005
00:54:49,360 --> 00:54:53,480
Speaker 6: everybody needs to start, you know. So I never regret

1006
00:54:53,560 --> 00:54:56,360
Speaker 6: my decision. You know, I get a lot of girls

1007
00:54:56,440 --> 00:54:59,120
Speaker 6: now go thank you so much. I'm like, well, thank you,

1008
00:54:59,239 --> 00:55:02,760
Speaker 6: I mean you guys. I think Also, the New Kids

1009
00:55:02,840 --> 00:55:06,440
Speaker 6: really impressed me that night that they could have said, oh, well,

1010
00:55:06,480 --> 00:55:09,719
Speaker 6: we don't, you know, we're not ready, you know, but

1011
00:55:09,760 --> 00:55:12,440
Speaker 6: they were on it, and so they had my respect

1012
00:55:12,600 --> 00:55:15,040
Speaker 6: right away. I could see they wanted to do it.

1013
00:55:15,120 --> 00:55:18,239
Speaker 6: They loved music, They just wanted to shine. They too,

1014
00:55:18,320 --> 00:55:21,279
Speaker 6: were grateful for the opportunity, just like me. So we

1015
00:55:21,280 --> 00:55:23,759
Speaker 6: were speaking the same language. And then when they came

1016
00:55:23,800 --> 00:55:25,560
Speaker 6: on the road, it was fun to have people my

1017
00:55:25,640 --> 00:55:28,080
Speaker 6: own age, you know, it was a lot of fun.

1018
00:55:28,120 --> 00:55:30,480
Speaker 6: We had a lot of pizza parties, lots of pepperoni

1019
00:55:30,520 --> 00:55:34,680
Speaker 6: pizza and singing at the back of the bus. We

1020
00:55:34,680 --> 00:55:36,880
Speaker 6: were all singing like I used to jam to like

1021
00:55:37,400 --> 00:55:40,799
Speaker 6: Guy and oh gosh, oh, tons and tons of and

1022
00:55:40,840 --> 00:55:43,640
Speaker 6: we used to dance moves. And then the next year

1023
00:55:43,680 --> 00:55:46,799
Speaker 6: I brought dancers on with me, so there was a

1024
00:55:46,840 --> 00:55:49,560
Speaker 6: gang of us, you know, young young inns at the time.

1025
00:55:50,480 --> 00:55:52,520
Speaker 4: So when do you start working on the second album?

1026
00:55:54,080 --> 00:55:56,839
Speaker 6: Right after the first album? So the first album took

1027
00:55:56,880 --> 00:55:59,840
Speaker 6: me a year to record, and then of course you

1028
00:56:00,120 --> 00:56:03,600
Speaker 6: have all the pressure to follow that up. So the

1029
00:56:03,680 --> 00:56:07,680
Speaker 6: second album was very rushed. We did it in between touring,

1030
00:56:07,719 --> 00:56:11,600
Speaker 6: because I toured from America, I went on to Europe,

1031
00:56:11,840 --> 00:56:14,560
Speaker 6: then I went onto Asia and I just didn't stop

1032
00:56:15,200 --> 00:56:18,040
Speaker 6: for almost two and a half years. I wasn't really home.

1033
00:56:18,120 --> 00:56:22,000
Speaker 6: If I was, I was sleeping. It was like, you know, again, touring, touring, touring,

1034
00:56:22,640 --> 00:56:25,520
Speaker 6: and then of course we had to record the album,

1035
00:56:25,680 --> 00:56:29,440
Speaker 6: so it was very rushed. I wasn't crazy about a

1036
00:56:29,440 --> 00:56:32,160
Speaker 6: lot of the songs on the second album, and I

1037
00:56:32,239 --> 00:56:36,319
Speaker 6: voiced my opinion, which caused problems with the management. My producer,

1038
00:56:36,800 --> 00:56:39,480
Speaker 6: you know, because again he looked at it as you

1039
00:56:39,480 --> 00:56:42,200
Speaker 6: don't know anything, you know what, you're a producer now,

1040
00:56:42,560 --> 00:56:44,520
Speaker 6: you know, you're just a kid, like you know, And

1041
00:56:44,560 --> 00:56:48,279
Speaker 6: I was like, I'm not a producer, but I'm a

1042
00:56:49,120 --> 00:56:50,319
Speaker 6: I am this, I'm a.

1043
00:56:50,320 --> 00:56:53,880
Speaker 4: Music buyer, I'm the target demo, I'm.

1044
00:56:53,640 --> 00:56:56,520
Speaker 6: Their age group. And I can tell you that my

1045
00:56:56,680 --> 00:56:58,240
Speaker 6: friends wouldn't think this is cool.

1046
00:56:58,560 --> 00:57:01,440
Speaker 3: It's also just so interesting that like he wouldn't be

1047
00:57:01,480 --> 00:57:05,320
Speaker 3: open to your input considering you're you're a growing person,

1048
00:57:05,480 --> 00:57:07,600
Speaker 3: Like you're going to start having your own taste and

1049
00:57:07,719 --> 00:57:10,239
Speaker 3: learning what you like, and that's your job as an

1050
00:57:10,320 --> 00:57:12,480
Speaker 3: artist and as a person is to get older and

1051
00:57:12,640 --> 00:57:14,759
Speaker 3: stand up for yourself. It seems like you would have

1052
00:57:14,800 --> 00:57:16,760
Speaker 3: to welcome that because it's going to happen. You're going

1053
00:57:16,800 --> 00:57:19,440
Speaker 3: to grow, you're going to have your own voice.

1054
00:57:19,880 --> 00:57:22,480
Speaker 6: No, it wasn't like that, so, you know, I mean

1055
00:57:22,680 --> 00:57:25,000
Speaker 6: just I mean, I think that's that, you know, I

1056
00:57:25,000 --> 00:57:28,680
Speaker 6: would try to express my opinion, and I think for him,

1057
00:57:28,960 --> 00:57:31,240
Speaker 6: for you know, for George, it was really I've been

1058
00:57:31,240 --> 00:57:34,400
Speaker 6: doing this a long time, and you know, obviously I

1059
00:57:34,560 --> 00:57:38,720
Speaker 6: was right because look who you are now. So for

1060
00:57:38,840 --> 00:57:41,120
Speaker 6: you to come back and start telling me how this

1061
00:57:41,200 --> 00:57:43,280
Speaker 6: is going to work is like not going to work

1062
00:57:43,280 --> 00:57:47,440
Speaker 6: out for it. There's you know, and and you know,

1063
00:57:47,520 --> 00:57:50,520
Speaker 6: I think maybe that's a decision later on that might

1064
00:57:50,600 --> 00:57:54,480
Speaker 6: he might have regretted a little bit. You know, he's

1065
00:57:54,560 --> 00:57:57,800
Speaker 6: known to be a little stubborn. We're still friends, you know,

1066
00:57:57,920 --> 00:58:01,480
Speaker 6: he's a family member. Now we've had our ins and

1067
00:58:01,520 --> 00:58:04,240
Speaker 6: outs and everything, and I think, you know, talking to

1068
00:58:04,320 --> 00:58:07,320
Speaker 6: him sometimes he goes, hey, you know, even my own kids,

1069
00:58:07,360 --> 00:58:10,120
Speaker 6: I should listen more. You know, you live and you learn,

1070
00:58:10,440 --> 00:58:13,760
Speaker 6: you know. But at that time, I was really, you know,

1071
00:58:13,840 --> 00:58:17,280
Speaker 6: I was really struggling with it because I just wasn't

1072
00:58:17,320 --> 00:58:19,800
Speaker 6: crazy about a lot of the material. And then I

1073
00:58:19,920 --> 00:58:23,600
Speaker 6: would actually go out and perform it and it would flop.

1074
00:58:24,320 --> 00:58:26,400
Speaker 6: So I was like, oh, now I got to stick

1075
00:58:26,440 --> 00:58:31,360
Speaker 6: with some of these songs that aren't really working and

1076
00:58:31,520 --> 00:58:34,320
Speaker 6: I told you so kind of thing. The ballads I

1077
00:58:34,400 --> 00:58:38,240
Speaker 6: always loved. I think we picked some really great ballads

1078
00:58:38,240 --> 00:58:42,880
Speaker 6: on that album, and I still enjoy singing those today.

1079
00:58:43,600 --> 00:58:46,160
Speaker 6: So and then a lot of other of those ballads

1080
00:58:46,200 --> 00:58:49,960
Speaker 6: made hits in other territories, like in the Philippines and

1081
00:58:50,040 --> 00:58:53,960
Speaker 6: other marketplaces South Africa. So I think the second album,

1082
00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:57,320
Speaker 6: what it did do in a weird way, was broad

1083
00:58:57,400 --> 00:59:00,880
Speaker 6: in my fan base, but there weren't those hits on

1084
00:59:00,960 --> 00:59:04,040
Speaker 6: the charts like the first album, So of course you

1085
00:59:04,160 --> 00:59:07,000
Speaker 6: get the critics going, oh, oh, one hit, wonder now

1086
00:59:07,120 --> 00:59:13,840
Speaker 6: she's over with Goodbye Beza somewhere, you know, disappear, disappear

1087
00:59:13,880 --> 00:59:15,320
Speaker 6: from the second.

1088
00:59:15,880 --> 00:59:18,320
Speaker 5: The second album was called Hold an Old Friend's Hand,

1089
00:59:18,400 --> 00:59:19,840
Speaker 5: and it did go platinum.

1090
00:59:19,920 --> 00:59:22,680
Speaker 4: I'd like to say, I mean a flop. I mean,

1091
00:59:22,960 --> 00:59:24,240
Speaker 4: come come on.

1092
00:59:24,160 --> 00:59:26,040
Speaker 5: I mean, I understand that when you're trying to compare

1093
00:59:26,040 --> 00:59:29,200
Speaker 5: it to the success of the first album, but that

1094
00:59:29,320 --> 00:59:32,720
Speaker 5: also seems a bit like an impossible task to try

1095
00:59:32,720 --> 00:59:35,600
Speaker 5: and hold up to something that's really a once in

1096
00:59:35,640 --> 00:59:37,080
Speaker 5: a lifetime experience.

1097
00:59:37,600 --> 00:59:40,280
Speaker 4: So I mean, it definitely was not a flop.

1098
00:59:41,800 --> 00:59:45,200
Speaker 5: And there have always been talk about your insane fame

1099
00:59:45,320 --> 00:59:45,920
Speaker 5: in Asia?

1100
00:59:46,240 --> 00:59:47,720
Speaker 4: What was what was that?

1101
00:59:47,880 --> 00:59:51,240
Speaker 6: Like? It continues on. I just did my Spotify rap

1102
00:59:51,320 --> 00:59:55,640
Speaker 6: for twenty five and Philippines is number one territory. So

1103
00:59:55,800 --> 00:59:59,400
Speaker 6: it was number two the year before and this year

1104
00:59:59,520 --> 01:00:02,320
Speaker 6: this past number one, so we're coming back to the field.

1105
01:00:02,440 --> 01:00:05,360
Speaker 6: It's always been like that. I mean, I've always loved

1106
01:00:05,400 --> 01:00:11,480
Speaker 6: touring Asia, and I think again nostalgia there just they

1107
01:00:11,560 --> 01:00:15,720
Speaker 6: just embrace it full heart. You know, it's not like, oh,

1108
01:00:15,760 --> 01:00:18,840
Speaker 6: well yeah from thirty years ago. They're still just like

1109
01:00:20,080 --> 01:00:24,080
Speaker 6: loving your music. It's just it's part of their life.

1110
01:00:24,320 --> 01:00:27,040
Speaker 6: I don't know how to say it. And you know,

1111
01:00:27,160 --> 01:00:29,600
Speaker 6: every time I go there, I've been to so many

1112
01:00:29,640 --> 01:00:33,920
Speaker 6: countries there, and you know, the connection with the fans

1113
01:00:34,360 --> 01:00:37,840
Speaker 6: is just amazing. They're just crying a lot of ballads.

1114
01:00:37,880 --> 01:00:40,640
Speaker 6: Like I said, there's a lot of love for ballads there,

1115
01:00:41,240 --> 01:00:46,160
Speaker 6: and I think that's the difference. Especially in a lot

1116
01:00:46,200 --> 01:00:50,520
Speaker 6: of the places like Singapore, they go, oh, the voice,

1117
01:00:50,760 --> 01:00:54,080
Speaker 6: Tiffany the voice, rather than Tiffany, I think we're low

1118
01:00:54,160 --> 01:00:57,320
Speaker 6: now the girl that does that, I am that, But

1119
01:00:57,560 --> 01:01:02,120
Speaker 6: to them, I'm the voice. I'm this singer that sings

1120
01:01:02,200 --> 01:01:07,439
Speaker 6: all these wonderful, beautiful balanced, sappy songs that make them cry.

1121
01:01:07,480 --> 01:01:10,640
Speaker 6: And I love that actually too, So you know, I

1122
01:01:10,680 --> 01:01:14,160
Speaker 6: love that they see me, they saw me and they

1123
01:01:14,280 --> 01:01:18,600
Speaker 6: heard my voice because for so long, especially in America,

1124
01:01:18,760 --> 01:01:21,800
Speaker 6: I had to be no, I'm singing live, this is on,

1125
01:01:22,040 --> 01:01:24,120
Speaker 6: this is me, you know, and I think sometimes it

1126
01:01:24,160 --> 01:01:27,400
Speaker 6: got into my head where I wasn't really just able

1127
01:01:27,440 --> 01:01:31,000
Speaker 6: to have fun because I was so worried about critics saying, oh,

1128
01:01:31,080 --> 01:01:34,480
Speaker 6: she's manufactured, she's not a real singer. And for me,

1129
01:01:35,880 --> 01:01:40,720
Speaker 6: that was like my kryptonite literally because I grew up

1130
01:01:41,200 --> 01:01:47,480
Speaker 6: from country music listening to real singers, real songwriters, real performers,

1131
01:01:47,520 --> 01:01:51,120
Speaker 6: and you know, for somebody to go, oh, she's just

1132
01:01:51,160 --> 01:01:54,320
Speaker 6: a one hit wonder some young girls, she can't really

1133
01:01:54,400 --> 01:01:57,560
Speaker 6: sing that it's been man, I mean that was like, what,

1134
01:01:58,520 --> 01:02:01,640
Speaker 6: you know, that is so not me. I am a

1135
01:02:01,720 --> 01:02:05,760
Speaker 6: singer through and through. I may not be the best dancer,

1136
01:02:06,200 --> 01:02:09,640
Speaker 6: I may not even be the best performer. But I

1137
01:02:09,680 --> 01:02:13,320
Speaker 6: can sit here in front of you and sing. That

1138
01:02:13,480 --> 01:02:16,000
Speaker 6: is what I do. So I you know, it really

1139
01:02:16,080 --> 01:02:20,520
Speaker 6: got you know, into my into my spirit a little time.

1140
01:02:20,640 --> 01:02:23,440
Speaker 6: You know sometimes that I was just like, and I'm

1141
01:02:23,480 --> 01:02:25,240
Speaker 6: just going to sing. I'm just going to show them

1142
01:02:25,320 --> 01:02:27,479
Speaker 6: I could really sing, and I was so wrapped up

1143
01:02:28,080 --> 01:02:32,040
Speaker 6: in reviews and critics and people knowing that I was

1144
01:02:32,040 --> 01:02:35,240
Speaker 6: singing live that sometimes I wish I was just having fun.

1145
01:02:35,280 --> 01:02:38,160
Speaker 6: Because the fans were already there. I didn't have to

1146
01:02:38,280 --> 01:02:43,240
Speaker 6: really prove that to them. They wanted a moment with me,

1147
01:02:44,520 --> 01:02:47,440
Speaker 6: you know. So you know now, I think I live

1148
01:02:47,480 --> 01:02:49,640
Speaker 6: in the best of both worlds. I think people do

1149
01:02:49,760 --> 01:02:51,640
Speaker 6: know that I can sing. I've done so many different

1150
01:02:51,680 --> 01:02:54,840
Speaker 6: genres of music, which is intentional. I have fun with

1151
01:02:54,920 --> 01:02:58,400
Speaker 6: music now. I do what I want to do, and

1152
01:02:58,440 --> 01:03:00,200
Speaker 6: I sing the songs that I want to sing. And

1153
01:03:00,240 --> 01:03:02,240
Speaker 6: of course I always think I think Rolanel could have

1154
01:03:02,280 --> 01:03:05,880
Speaker 6: been all this time. But it's really cool, all these

1155
01:03:05,960 --> 01:03:09,480
Speaker 6: years later for people still to be writing, oh my gosh,

1156
01:03:10,000 --> 01:03:11,440
Speaker 6: I didn't know you could like that.

1157
01:03:12,000 --> 01:03:14,560
Speaker 8: I'm like, well, still trying to get the word out there,

1158
01:03:20,080 --> 01:03:23,240
Speaker 8: and it's awesome that you know that I'm still able

1159
01:03:23,280 --> 01:03:24,200
Speaker 8: to do it.

1160
01:03:24,200 --> 01:03:27,200
Speaker 6: It's awesome that you know that people are still paying attention.

1161
01:03:27,440 --> 01:03:30,960
Speaker 6: So and I love my fans that go, you know,

1162
01:03:31,160 --> 01:03:34,520
Speaker 6: you sound like the record, but better, your tone is better,

1163
01:03:34,920 --> 01:03:38,480
Speaker 6: like your range is better, and you've just gotten you know,

1164
01:03:38,520 --> 01:03:42,120
Speaker 6: you were always my singer, but you've just gotten better,

1165
01:03:42,520 --> 01:03:46,240
Speaker 6: and that, to me really makes my night. It really does.

1166
01:03:46,320 --> 01:03:50,080
Speaker 6: That's when I feel like, you know, ah, okay, this

1167
01:03:50,120 --> 01:03:53,240
Speaker 6: is it's fun. This is fun because they've seen my talent.

1168
01:03:54,560 --> 01:03:55,440
Speaker 2: I have a question for you.

1169
01:03:55,520 --> 01:03:58,520
Speaker 1: I know you were arguably one of the biggest busiest

1170
01:03:58,520 --> 01:04:01,160
Speaker 1: people on the planet at the time eighties eighty nine,

1171
01:04:01,680 --> 01:04:04,600
Speaker 1: but do you recall ever being on a Nickelodeon show

1172
01:04:04,680 --> 01:04:06,040
Speaker 1: called Don't Just Sit There?

1173
01:04:08,160 --> 01:04:10,000
Speaker 6: Oh? Oh, I don't know.

1174
01:04:10,440 --> 01:04:13,000
Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure you were on my show back in

1175
01:04:13,040 --> 01:04:13,560
Speaker 2: the eighties.

1176
01:04:13,680 --> 01:04:18,320
Speaker 6: Oh, probably, Yeah, I did. I did a ton of shows.

1177
01:04:17,920 --> 01:04:19,880
Speaker 1: And I googled it and I was like, was she

1178
01:04:19,960 --> 01:04:22,160
Speaker 1: on Don't Just Sit There? And I think you were,

1179
01:04:22,320 --> 01:04:24,040
Speaker 1: so I'd love to try to find that.

1180
01:04:24,480 --> 01:04:27,000
Speaker 6: Yes, we should find that. I mean, to be honest

1181
01:04:27,040 --> 01:04:30,640
Speaker 6: with you, before I even had the record deal, I was.

1182
01:04:30,800 --> 01:04:32,640
Speaker 6: I did a lot of like B movies, I was

1183
01:04:32,680 --> 01:04:34,800
Speaker 6: an extra and a lot of stuff I did. I

1184
01:04:34,840 --> 01:04:37,680
Speaker 6: was like a background dancer for Kids Incorporated.

1185
01:04:37,880 --> 01:04:38,680
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I did.

1186
01:04:39,200 --> 01:04:42,440
Speaker 6: That's when I was doing all of this. She's got

1187
01:04:42,480 --> 01:04:44,080
Speaker 6: to be a dancer, she's got to be a model.

1188
01:04:44,120 --> 01:04:48,680
Speaker 6: I took acting lessons with Jason Bateman from his dad.

1189
01:04:50,040 --> 01:04:52,720
Speaker 6: I did all these things, and I'd love to find

1190
01:04:52,720 --> 01:04:56,080
Speaker 6: that footage because it was like me and so let Moonfry.

1191
01:04:56,600 --> 01:04:59,480
Speaker 6: We were in the trailer with the teacher and I

1192
01:04:59,520 --> 01:05:02,640
Speaker 6: was only like eleven doing that kind of stuff, you know,

1193
01:05:02,840 --> 01:05:05,880
Speaker 6: being a Hollywood kid. I remember going to auditions and

1194
01:05:05,920 --> 01:05:11,200
Speaker 6: literally turning up and it was like Mario Lopez, Ricky Martin, Martique,

1195
01:05:11,640 --> 01:05:15,560
Speaker 6: myself and I mean me, Laura Harden, I like all

1196
01:05:15,600 --> 01:05:19,720
Speaker 6: these people together and then we all made it. I

1197
01:05:19,760 --> 01:05:22,760
Speaker 6: mean again, I don't know what that is. A We're

1198
01:05:22,920 --> 01:05:28,920
Speaker 6: very talented people and very dedicated people. But I also

1199
01:05:29,160 --> 01:05:31,960
Speaker 6: want to say that, you know, I don't know individually

1200
01:05:32,000 --> 01:05:35,360
Speaker 6: all their stories, but there was again something about the

1201
01:05:35,400 --> 01:05:38,040
Speaker 6: eighties that you know, people would say I'm going to

1202
01:05:38,080 --> 01:05:41,080
Speaker 6: make you a star, and they just like did it,

1203
01:05:41,360 --> 01:05:44,320
Speaker 6: followed it through. I don't know if that was selfish

1204
01:05:44,480 --> 01:05:47,600
Speaker 6: or their own claim to fame or money. I don't know,

1205
01:05:47,920 --> 01:05:52,240
Speaker 6: but all these people that I was literally doing auditions

1206
01:05:52,280 --> 01:05:55,920
Speaker 6: with became famous. What are the odds of all of that?

1207
01:05:56,120 --> 01:05:58,840
Speaker 6: I mean, I did auditions with them, used to hang

1208
01:05:58,880 --> 01:06:01,520
Speaker 6: on the hallway reading sides with them. Oh my god.

1209
01:06:01,520 --> 01:06:03,520
Speaker 6: I used to go to like birthday parties with them

1210
01:06:03,640 --> 01:06:06,560
Speaker 6: like after and all our parents would get together, so funny,

1211
01:06:06,720 --> 01:06:10,760
Speaker 6: you know, and we were all wanting to be you know, big,

1212
01:06:11,400 --> 01:06:13,480
Speaker 6: big and famous. We loved what we were doing.

1213
01:06:13,680 --> 01:06:18,240
Speaker 5: Wow, well, Tiffany, you have been able to survive and

1214
01:06:18,360 --> 01:06:23,080
Speaker 5: thrive this wild ride, releasing handfuls of studio albums, famously

1215
01:06:23,120 --> 01:06:25,840
Speaker 5: appearing on How I Met Your Mother, continuing to tour,

1216
01:06:26,480 --> 01:06:29,480
Speaker 5: If you could go back in time and give one

1217
01:06:29,680 --> 01:06:34,800
Speaker 5: piece of advice to young Norwalk Tiffany, maybe just on

1218
01:06:34,800 --> 01:06:38,520
Speaker 5: one of those very first mall tour shows. What piece

1219
01:06:38,560 --> 01:06:40,720
Speaker 5: of advice would you give her?

1220
01:06:41,400 --> 01:06:49,000
Speaker 6: Oh? Wow, you know I mean for me, and this

1221
01:06:49,120 --> 01:06:52,040
Speaker 6: is just being critical for myself. I loved I would

1222
01:06:52,040 --> 01:06:55,200
Speaker 6: have loved to have learned to play an instrument really well,

1223
01:06:55,640 --> 01:06:59,520
Speaker 6: to take that time for myself, because you know, I'm

1224
01:06:59,560 --> 01:07:02,840
Speaker 6: now learning and it's not as easy as an adults.

1225
01:07:03,760 --> 01:07:06,320
Speaker 6: It's just not something that just comes naturally to me.

1226
01:07:06,680 --> 01:07:08,800
Speaker 6: But it is a goal of mine to actually be

1227
01:07:08,840 --> 01:07:13,000
Speaker 6: able to play piano and sing my balance. That's something

1228
01:07:13,160 --> 01:07:17,959
Speaker 6: I want to do. So I probably would have said, wait,

1229
01:07:18,240 --> 01:07:21,120
Speaker 6: there's a step here. You know, I want you to

1230
01:07:21,200 --> 01:07:23,520
Speaker 6: learn piano. I want you to be able to be

1231
01:07:23,600 --> 01:07:26,200
Speaker 6: self sufficient. When you're writing songs. So that was a

1232
01:07:26,240 --> 01:07:28,480
Speaker 6: big thing for me. I wanted to be a songwriter.

1233
01:07:28,840 --> 01:07:31,920
Speaker 6: So I did take that time, came back to Nashville

1234
01:07:31,920 --> 01:07:34,919
Speaker 6: when my son was very young, and did nothing but that.

1235
01:07:35,480 --> 01:07:39,240
Speaker 6: I plugged myself into the Nashville songwriting community and just said,

1236
01:07:39,880 --> 01:07:41,520
Speaker 6: I want to be a songwriter. I want to be

1237
01:07:41,560 --> 01:07:45,160
Speaker 6: accepted as a songwriter, not for me, but as I

1238
01:07:45,200 --> 01:07:47,680
Speaker 6: want to make the cut. And I did that. So

1239
01:07:47,760 --> 01:07:52,160
Speaker 6: that is one of my proudest achievements for myself, because again,

1240
01:07:52,200 --> 01:07:55,480
Speaker 6: all of my idols were songwriters, so for me, that

1241
01:07:55,600 --> 01:07:58,160
Speaker 6: would probably the one thing that I went mister step

1242
01:07:58,200 --> 01:08:02,120
Speaker 6: you should have learned piano. Speaking of Debbie Gibson, you know,

1243
01:08:02,280 --> 01:08:06,040
Speaker 6: she plays beautifully and I love that when we've you know,

1244
01:08:06,200 --> 01:08:08,560
Speaker 6: done work together and you know, she goes to the

1245
01:08:08,560 --> 01:08:11,480
Speaker 6: piano and she plays, and I'm just like, oh, it's lovely.

1246
01:08:11,560 --> 01:08:14,800
Speaker 6: It's lovely to have that gift. I don't think I

1247
01:08:14,840 --> 01:08:18,960
Speaker 6: would change too much about me or my personality or

1248
01:08:19,000 --> 01:08:25,400
Speaker 6: my you know, the things that I've went through at all.

1249
01:08:27,040 --> 01:08:30,479
Speaker 6: I'm very much always looking forward to things rather than

1250
01:08:30,560 --> 01:08:33,639
Speaker 6: in the back. And I think everything that I've went

1251
01:08:33,680 --> 01:08:37,160
Speaker 6: through has always made me an old soul and that's okay,

1252
01:08:37,320 --> 01:08:41,320
Speaker 6: and very compassionate person because you know, I have this

1253
01:08:41,320 --> 01:08:44,559
Speaker 6: thing about all my friends. Listen, I'll never judge you,

1254
01:08:45,560 --> 01:08:48,400
Speaker 6: but if you know, if it's not good, we're not

1255
01:08:48,520 --> 01:08:51,200
Speaker 6: staying here. So don't call me because I'm a very

1256
01:08:51,240 --> 01:08:54,720
Speaker 6: proactive person. But I will get into the fire and

1257
01:08:54,800 --> 01:08:58,320
Speaker 6: in the flames with you and you won't hear me complaining.

1258
01:08:58,880 --> 01:09:02,639
Speaker 6: But we are going forward. I'm very much that person.

1259
01:09:03,120 --> 01:09:05,200
Speaker 6: So you know, I think all of the things that

1260
01:09:05,240 --> 01:09:08,120
Speaker 6: I went through maybe that person, and I think it's

1261
01:09:08,160 --> 01:09:11,080
Speaker 6: so needed in life, rather you're a celebrity or just

1262
01:09:11,200 --> 01:09:14,479
Speaker 6: you know, it's just an aunt. You know, people need

1263
01:09:14,520 --> 01:09:17,240
Speaker 6: to be encouraged, they need to be loved, they need

1264
01:09:17,280 --> 01:09:19,920
Speaker 6: to be accepted, you know, and they need to be

1265
01:09:19,960 --> 01:09:24,120
Speaker 6: celebrated sometimes, you know. So I mean, I think that's

1266
01:09:24,200 --> 01:09:26,120
Speaker 6: kind of what I try to do through my music

1267
01:09:26,200 --> 01:09:28,760
Speaker 6: and the people that I meet as my fans, but

1268
01:09:28,800 --> 01:09:30,920
Speaker 6: the people I work with as well, and of course

1269
01:09:30,960 --> 01:09:34,439
Speaker 6: my family will make me everything. So there's not too

1270
01:09:34,560 --> 01:09:38,400
Speaker 6: much to change, you know. I think if I had

1271
01:09:38,520 --> 01:09:41,599
Speaker 6: to go back and tell the little girl myself, I'd say,

1272
01:09:41,680 --> 01:09:44,719
Speaker 6: keep going, sister, you know, just write it out, don't

1273
01:09:44,920 --> 01:09:47,639
Speaker 6: even if when people give up on you or they

1274
01:09:47,680 --> 01:09:51,040
Speaker 6: say it's prove them wrong. Do it if you love

1275
01:09:51,080 --> 01:09:53,479
Speaker 6: it and live your life and a story.

1276
01:09:54,200 --> 01:09:56,400
Speaker 4: I love that. Where can people find you?

1277
01:09:56,520 --> 01:09:56,720
Speaker 6: Now?

1278
01:09:56,800 --> 01:09:58,720
Speaker 4: Where can where can we support you? And how can

1279
01:09:58,720 --> 01:09:59,320
Speaker 4: we support you?

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01:10:00,120 --> 01:10:02,960
Speaker 6: Tunes dot Com for all things tip world, you can go.

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Speaker 6: That's my main hub, and that'll take you to radical

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Speaker 6: Reds and all the jacket zooms that I do. I

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Speaker 6: do have my own spice line out coming out with

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Speaker 6: my own cookbook this year called pop Life, which really

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Speaker 6: talks about the toying and my foodie love of all

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Speaker 6: my travels. Everywhere I've went, I've always went to local businesses.

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Speaker 6: I like to eat outside the hotel and see what's

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Speaker 6: what's really going on in people's lives. And that's how

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Speaker 6: you really get to know the culture and you know

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Speaker 6: your travels. So that is reflected in the cookbook. But

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Speaker 6: the cookbook is about eighties foods, all reworked, all legit

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Speaker 6: for the adult kitchen now, so a lot of fun

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Speaker 6: back to the eighties. Stofers Pizza reworked. We've got our

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Speaker 6: puffy cheesy burgers, our mac and cheese. We were my favorite,

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Speaker 6: which was chicken pop pie when I would get home

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Speaker 6: from you know, school, my mom always had one, but

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Speaker 6: I've made it my Mexican chicken pop pie. Being from

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Speaker 6: East LA, got to have a little bit of something

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Speaker 6: going on, and so I have my own spices as

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Speaker 6: well that I'm uh, you know, I partner with a

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Speaker 6: lot of restaurants and they're professionally bottled out of Flagler

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Speaker 6: Beach and now I'm just working some food as well.

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Speaker 6: Love it.

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Speaker 5: Thank you so much for joining us. Thank you for

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Speaker 5: sharing your story and your time with us. It's always

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Speaker 5: a pleasure to see you.

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Speaker 6: Thank you guys, everybody. Thanks guys.

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Speaker 4: What an amazing story.

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Speaker 3: Ye one, an amazing story. She's so I love that

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Speaker 3: she's such a people person and she's so like down

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Speaker 3: to earth that when she had this like meteoric a moment,

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Speaker 3: it wasn't now I can ignore everybody and be a superstar.

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Speaker 3: It was like, well, how do I connect to more people?

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Speaker 6: How can you know?

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Speaker 3: It's like when she lost when the mall tour became

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Speaker 3: the stadium door, it sounds like, but what about all

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Speaker 3: my friends? Yes, that's like such an inversion of what

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Speaker 3: probably most people would think. You know, if you've worked

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Speaker 3: that hard, for you know, but it obviously was always

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Speaker 3: about connecting. For her, it was always about human and entertainment,

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Speaker 3: and like the fact that she was singing to get

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Speaker 3: there was just kind of a side effect of like

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Speaker 3: wanting to have people. It's so cool.

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Speaker 1: It's also just a bygone era because the idea that

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Speaker 1: she's got a manager is like, we're gonna crash this

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Speaker 1: record label. Just don't let the security stop. You hit

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Speaker 1: the button and start singing. Now you just go on

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Speaker 1: social media, you put up.

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Speaker 3: Your own page.

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Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, it's the easiest thing in the world with

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Speaker 1: there like gorilla style running into these record labels and

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Speaker 1: just having her sing.

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Speaker 2: That's great.

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Speaker 3: But she's so right that that is like a bygone

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Speaker 3: era that there used to be this whole industry of

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Speaker 3: like men yea, all men who would just like swoop

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Speaker 3: in for like child talent and be like, I'm gonna

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Speaker 3: make you a stop and then they just like force that,

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Speaker 3: just make it happen and emuld It's like that's crazy.

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Speaker 3: That was like a whole industry was people doing that

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Speaker 3: and saying that. I mean, even when we talked like

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Speaker 3: Nobody's Angel, it's like they were kind of always looking

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Speaker 3: for that person and it kept changing and like who

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Speaker 3: the manager is? Who the Oh my god, what a

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Speaker 3: weird thing.

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Speaker 2: Like I remember when I was eleven or twelve, she

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Speaker 2: was everywhere.

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Speaker 3: No, yeah, ifany was everywhere the first I remember being

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Speaker 3: like addicted to like I had to keep period at

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Speaker 3: that summer or whatever.

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Speaker 1: She was so cute and it was like the perfect

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Speaker 1: pop star. And again you watch her a mall and

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Speaker 1: it was like, that's like where I'm from.

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Speaker 6: You know.

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Speaker 2: It was such a brilliant concept.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I know.

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Speaker 4: I mean Orange Julia sounded like it was her mall

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Speaker 4: go to? What was your mall? Food court go to?

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Speaker 2: Well, Orange Julius, Oh god, oh Orange.

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Speaker 4: Writer, did you have the mall go to?

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Speaker 2: How about you can express express?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, kankat chickgress.

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Speaker 2: Can I make a suggestion for our next pod Mets

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Speaker 2: World Live. It's a mall tour.

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Speaker 6: There's no malls really.

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Speaker 2: Left in the world, but.

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Speaker 6: All tour.

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Speaker 3: Oh my god, that's actually a really brilliant idea. But

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Speaker 3: we will all to it.

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Speaker 9: Like middle of the day, like twelve year twelthy court

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Speaker 9: in the food court and so like they'll be like

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Speaker 9: a signed seating, but there will also just be seats

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Speaker 9: for the people who walking by, just like I need

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Speaker 9: to take a break.

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Speaker 2: Just there to eat lunch. Yeah, that's amazing.

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Speaker 4: I love it. Well, you're a genius.

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Speaker 5: Thank you all for joining us for this episode of

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Speaker 2: I need some more merch now there doesn't seem to

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Speaker 2: be enough around merch.

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