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Speaker 2: Cowboys Let's go.

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Speaker 3: Are you ready for a break?

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Speaker 4: Yes?

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Speaker 3: Are you ready for a break?

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Speaker 4: Absolutely?

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Speaker 3: Ready for a break? Yeah, and so much for that.

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Speaker 1: It's time for The Break on Dallas Cowboys dot Com

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Speaker 1: with mbar Garcia, Brian brought Us, Votch Lombardi, and Derek Eagleton.

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Speaker 2: It is Monday, December eighth, twenty twenty five, Season twenty one,

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Speaker 2: episode number eighty nine. Welcome the latest edition of The Break.

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Speaker 2: We're live from s WBC Mortgage Studios. At the start,

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Speaker 2: is it is our Queen's birthday today Oshawati, which says

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Speaker 2: our queen, the show's queen the shows my wife ain't

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Speaker 2: your queen. Let's get that straight. Let's you get that straight.

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Speaker 2: I see an hour and when I see the hour

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Speaker 2: that we got now okay, so here's the deal. We

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Speaker 2: got different flavors because I know from being with you

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Speaker 2: on the road when we when we when we were

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Speaker 2: at game.

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Speaker 5: What is this from Forscaina loves to draw? Oh look

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Speaker 5: at this, she said.

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Speaker 3: This is fully fully cool on yours fully God, you've

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Speaker 3: been working on that. Non't know if it hit away

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Speaker 3: a red voge.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so yes, there are there are different flavors here,

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Speaker 2: so what over here?

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Speaker 5: So we don't get Derek spit on it, just in case.

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Speaker 2: I KNOWE likes different flavors and likes a lot of

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Speaker 2: different types. So I got all the different types and

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Speaker 2: you can decide which when you want amber, and then

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Speaker 2: we'll put a candle in.

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Speaker 3: This was you? What do you mean this was me?

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Speaker 6: You got this?

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Speaker 7: Yeah?

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Speaker 8: I got that?

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Speaker 5: Oh wow, why you do that?

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Speaker 2: I'm like, I would never do anything nice for you.

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Speaker 5: I just I'm just asking. I like to thank the

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Speaker 5: right people. You know. Thank you. I appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: Welcome.

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Speaker 5: None of your business, none of your business, thank you, Derek.

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Speaker 5: Geez a grey day today, Brian is starting.

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Speaker 2: I did not wait, we didn't like the can. We

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Speaker 2: don't get a candle in you.

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Speaker 5: We didn't blow it out.

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Speaker 9: Fine, I'm trying to get small, but hitting mouse for

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Speaker 9: smelling because it's gone.

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Speaker 10: These are great, the good stuff good stuff, good stuff.

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Speaker 10: All right, Well, happy birthday, thank you, thank you. All right,

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Speaker 10: So we where's what we're gonna do. We're gonna do

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Speaker 10: our normal show. But one of the rules today it

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Speaker 10: is Amber's birthday, So she has V two power at.

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Speaker 3: Any given moment.

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Speaker 2: So as we go through the show, if there's a

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Speaker 2: so Amber gets to kind of run. Now, she's not

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Speaker 2: hosting the show because she didn't want that smoke, but

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Speaker 2: she's just gonna have veto power as we go.

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Speaker 9: So what's the signal? Like, is it like a hand

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Speaker 9: gesture that she got it? She gonna say something like,

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Speaker 9: what what's the sign?

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Speaker 3: I asked? What's what's hers? What's her headache?

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Speaker 5: Cress?

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Speaker 2: And then he'll go perfect, that worked for you, lot,

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Speaker 2: it ain't your birthday.

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Speaker 3: It don't matter what He'll work for me no matter.

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Speaker 2: If that's what we're gonna do, Look, get through the

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Speaker 2: So we didn't get a chance to completely finish our conversation.

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Speaker 3: They were handmade in Dallas Cowboys dot Com.

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Speaker 2: You I made him in my kitchen.

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Speaker 3: How about that?

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Speaker 4: That's all right?

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Speaker 2: So we did not finish the conversation about the game

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Speaker 2: last week. There was there was still one topic I

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Speaker 2: get to. One was the past defense GoF had. He

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Speaker 2: great day, Saint Brown had a great day. Gibbs had

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Speaker 2: a great day passing or receiving. Where were the major breakdowns?

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Speaker 2: As you guys went back and watched the film, where

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Speaker 2: were the major breakdowns in the Cowboys secondary.

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Speaker 3: I don't think we dislike Flues enough.

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Speaker 2: I saw you post that on Twitter.

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Speaker 3: We don't. We don't dislike Flus enough.

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Speaker 9: Brian win through this time here, and he was a

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Speaker 9: Dallas Cowboys dot com guy, and he had a big

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Speaker 9: thing with Jason Garrett, and people got mad at by

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Speaker 9: the whole by trying to fire Jason Garrett. I think,

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Speaker 9: I think this is so much worse than anything that

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Speaker 9: we could have said about Jason Garrett or Mike McCarthy.

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Speaker 9: Y'all know how I feel about Mike McCarthy. I think

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Speaker 9: this flu situation, it's far worse. At least you won games.

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Speaker 9: You had some decent out, some decent output on offense

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Speaker 9: with Mike. Flus is doing things that nobody's good at.

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Speaker 9: People that aren't bad in space, they're in space. People

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Speaker 9: they ain't good at that kind of stuff.

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Speaker 3: You know what I mean?

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Speaker 9: You have a defensive lineup versus in a Lion's offensive line, Brian,

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Speaker 9: we saw out of their twenty six sacts about five

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Speaker 9: gap a Shane. Sure, I ain't see none of that,

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Speaker 9: So I ain't saying that Flu's looking like he's trying

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Speaker 9: to lose on purpose. That'll be irresponsible to me. But

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Speaker 9: it's like, I'm just a dude with a camera to

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Speaker 3: As in the league. But I got eyes.

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Speaker 9: I got eyes and certain things that work for the Cowboys,

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Speaker 9: He did none of those things, strangely enough, not even

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Speaker 9: from those from those games, Eagles, Raiders, whatever. Take the

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Speaker 9: first two drives in the Lions game. We saw some press,

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Speaker 9: we saw some blitzing, we saw some movement, we saw

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Speaker 9: some weird little looks, and I say, cool, Flues, you

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Speaker 9: might keep your job through this one, and Flu said,

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Speaker 9: I'd be damn And we didn't do anything. And when

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Speaker 9: I say we, I'm a fan. The Cowboys didn't do

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Speaker 9: any of that the rest of the game. And you

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Speaker 9: saw the points reflected on it, and I don't think

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Speaker 9: the Lions punted since then since that point.

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Speaker 11: Right, Yeah, to me, when you start off the game

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Speaker 11: kind of interesting with your five man line to your

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Speaker 11: and you know, that's a whole nother story. But you

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Speaker 11: all of a sudden, the dropbacks, nine dropbacks. You're starting

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Speaker 11: to get pressure. And then you know, we've all kind

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Speaker 11: a sudden, you're kind of doing these things. You're getting

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Speaker 11: pressure is so bad. But you're kind of playing a

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Speaker 11: little bit more man coverage. You're kind of matching up

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Speaker 11: with him. It's a tough team to play man coverage again,

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Speaker 11: You just went four man line, and you thought you

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Speaker 11: you're now you're your secondary is in a little bit

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Speaker 11: of a problem. You weren't very good at either cornerback spot.

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Speaker 11: You weren't particularly good at safety. And you know that

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Speaker 11: when when you don't get pressure, then it affects the

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Speaker 11: then now you're dealing with you haven't covered a flat

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Speaker 11: It's linebackers, it's you know, it's it's the safeties, it's

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Speaker 11: They gave me tried to throw some screens, you know,

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Speaker 11: because he knew it. He knew you were struggling there.

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Speaker 11: But you were able to get some pressure along the way.

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Speaker 11: But It's just it's surprising how sometimes you get into

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Speaker 3: One thing I'm seeing, I'm sorry.

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Speaker 9: I One thing I'm seeing is I see a lot

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Speaker 9: flucent a way of well but vised Flues don't blitz

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Speaker 9: Dan Quinn was a notorious Cover three guy, but he

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Speaker 9: got here and he said, boy, we got press man dudes.

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Speaker 9: Let's go get pressure and just play press man stuff.

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Speaker 9: I think at some point you have to make the

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Speaker 9: years ago, long time ago, when the Saints were like

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Speaker 9: extra Alvin catches the ball, Jordan follow Alvin, and Jordan

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Speaker 9: was like a nickel linebacker type guy. For you, I

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Speaker 9: would have appreciated Flues if I would have saw just

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Speaker 9: the effort of hey, you just can't keep Kenneth Murray

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Speaker 9: end up in this situation where Marquis bell Is on

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Speaker 3: You can't do that.

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Speaker 9: Tell the devil, I said that when you were when

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Speaker 9: You may get you may get an Armor Ross Saint Brown,

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Speaker 3: You have to live with those. That's who he is.

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Speaker 9: You can the same thing saying you can't let everybody

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Speaker 9: This is a timing based offense, and how you disrupt

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Speaker 9: That ain't how you disrupt timing. You disrupt time by

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Speaker 9: Even if past rushing you know, doesn't always get there.

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Speaker 9: You gotta do something to just get Golf off his spot.

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Speaker 9: But once Golf was comfortable, ain't.

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Speaker 3: Knowing you can do right.

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Speaker 2: But what I want to know is I want What

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Speaker 2: that's your best chance. That's what I don't know, because

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Speaker 2: Why would he go away from it? Because I agree

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Speaker 2: It didn't seem like the metrics.

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Speaker 11: The metrics will tell you that gall through eleven touchdown

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Speaker 11: last year. This season, he's thrown just two touchdown passes

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Speaker 11: under pressure on one hundred and sixteen attempts. That's one

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Speaker 11: the matchup that had going in. The Cowboys have generated

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Speaker 11: rating when doing so, win pressuring win pressure. See that's

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Speaker 11: the thing about they they're there. It's the gamble. That's

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Speaker 3: I'll take that.

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Speaker 11: I'll take the gamble of pressuring and seeing that golf

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Speaker 9: I would definitely take that because at least I know

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Speaker 3: That's all. Just make another jumb I've seen this cowboy offense,

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Speaker 9: You start off rough, something don't happen for you quite

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Speaker 3: Like I'm somebody knew, a new voice, a new voice.

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Speaker 5: You know. I'm sitting here quietly because with age comes

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Speaker 5: No, we're about to go to break.

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Speaker 2: you had a question just before the break, what's your

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Speaker 2: What was the question?

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Speaker 5: Okay, let me let me be honest because watch I'm

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Speaker 5: But it's this whole thing.

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Speaker 2: You're looking at me, but you're h yeah, this is

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Speaker 5: added veteran guys to the roster that are professional as well,

439
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Speaker 5: that have time in the NFL, that are productive. But

440
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Speaker 5: yet that's only gonna last you to a certain extent,

441
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Speaker 5: because then once again your false false, false, faults false,

442
00:20:41,160 --> 00:20:44,240
Speaker 5: they're gonna start picking through once again. And I think

443
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Speaker 5: it's to this point now that at some point, just

444
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Speaker 5: like when, oh my god, why am I blanking out Clark?

445
00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:53,480
Speaker 5: When he came to the roster, that we saw the

446
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Speaker 5: immediate impact in the run defense, We saw that immediately,

447
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Speaker 5: We're like whoa, whoa, wow, Okay, now working with something,

448
00:21:01,080 --> 00:21:03,920
Speaker 5: and all of a sudden he started fading away once again.

449
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Speaker 5: So I think now is yes, you got that initial impact,

450
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Speaker 5: and now you're back to what it truly is and

451
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Speaker 5: what it has truly been. So I'm with you in

452
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Speaker 5: this thing. I'm like, Okay, you have to give credit

453
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Speaker 5: from his past, but this is the present and you

454
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Speaker 5: have a bunch of question marks that you're like, Okay,

455
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Speaker 5: at some point you think it's going to start kicking

456
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Speaker 5: in and you see what you see on tape. And

457
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Speaker 5: that's where I bring the question where it's like, Okay,

458
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Speaker 5: I love Brian Schottenheimer, absolutely love him. I love everything

459
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Speaker 5: he's doing and with him with everything that he's building.

460
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Speaker 5: But it makes me wonder at times where him being

461
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Speaker 5: the head coach and also the play caller, does that

462
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Speaker 5: take away his focus a little bit from what he

463
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Speaker 5: should be doing as a head coach as far as

464
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Speaker 5: voicing certain things on the defensive side of the ball

465
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Speaker 5: and being as accountable as he's been on the offense,

466
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Speaker 5: taking that accountability over to the defense.

467
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Speaker 2: Well, I will say this, I do think that that

468
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Speaker 2: has happened this season. If you remember, if you've been

469
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Speaker 2: following coach Schottenneimer, he talked about how there was a

470
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Speaker 2: point where he went over to the defensive room and

471
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Speaker 2: started asking some questions and saying, why are we doing

472
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Speaker 2: this and why is this? And I think when you

473
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Speaker 2: hire someone when you're the head coach and you hire

474
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Speaker 2: someone as your coordinator, I think you need to step

475
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Speaker 2: back and let them coordinate until you see that things

476
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Speaker 2: aren't working, and then you need to step in and

477
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Speaker 2: you need to say, Okay, let's have some conversation, let's

478
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Speaker 2: figure out why this isn't working, what needs to change,

479
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Speaker 2: and then you need to help them walk through that

480
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Speaker 2: until you get the results you want. I don't think

481
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Speaker 2: and my arguments that remain the same. I don't think

482
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Speaker 2: Flu's forgot how to call a defense. I think he's

483
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Speaker 2: been a really good defensive coordinator. So what it says

484
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Speaker 2: to me is there's more going on here than just

485
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Speaker 2: Fluce other things that play here regarding the players that

486
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Speaker 2: that also is a part of the problem. Now, this

487
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Speaker 2: is a results based business, so at the end of

488
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Speaker 2: the day, he's gonna have to be accountable to the

489
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Speaker 2: fact that, regardless of what the problems are, he didn't

490
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Speaker 2: figure out a solution and or to this point, hasn't

491
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Speaker 2: come up with a consistent solution to whether his team

492
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Speaker 2: is playing consistently well on defense. They're still giving up

493
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Speaker 2: forty four points uh in games, and that's not going

494
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Speaker 2: to be good enough because it's a results based business.

495
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Speaker 2: But I don't think it's all FLUSE. I think there

496
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Speaker 2: are other things that play here.

497
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Speaker 3: I have so much, Brian, you want to go first,

498
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Speaker 3: I got so much.

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Speaker 11: Go ahead.

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Speaker 9: First of all, let me say I never changed my

501
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Speaker 9: tone on FLU So you did, and I did. Dere

502
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Speaker 9: Derek came and asked us, heyes, did good man?

503
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Speaker 3: What you feel like? Hold your horse to see more?

504
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Speaker 3: I need to see it ten more times. So anbar

505
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Speaker 3: is lying on me.

506
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Speaker 5: There, I admit it. I said it. I dart write them.

507
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Speaker 3: Looking at you.

508
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Speaker 5: WHOA, he doesn't right.

509
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Speaker 2: I'm about to get meat up out it Birthday. I

510
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Speaker 2: wonder what's third bro?

511
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Speaker 3: I wonder.

512
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Speaker 9: And this ain't me reporting that, because because because we

513
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Speaker 9: got responsibilities here, I'm not reporting nothing. This is just

514
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Speaker 9: my own theory. I wonder if Shoddy wants to move

515
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Speaker 9: on from FLUS, but higher management probably don't want that. Second,

516
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Speaker 9: he didn't hur for sure for Shure. I wonder if

517
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Speaker 9: if it was his decision with this little like college

518
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Speaker 9: football said it like you out of here?

519
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Speaker 3: Why we playing?

520
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Speaker 9: And we about to go find somebody else, watch somebody.

521
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Speaker 9: I wonder if that if that would be the case

522
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Speaker 9: my whole thing about Flus and Ambar makes fantastic points.

523
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Speaker 9: When we get new players a look cool for a

524
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Speaker 9: little bit, and then it go back to what it

525
00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:41,119
Speaker 9: was because the other team makes the adjustments, but Flu's doesn't.

526
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Speaker 9: So if you got Osa and Solomon to worry about,

527
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Speaker 9: that's what that team preps for. If Kenny Clark pops

528
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Speaker 9: up magically, then you got about three games of the

529
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Speaker 9: league trying to adjust to Kenny Clark and then they'll

530
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Speaker 9: figure it out. Quinn Williams pops up magically, looks fantastic.

531
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Speaker 9: You need to come I stant league make adjustments in

532
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Speaker 9: the National Football League, And that's where I think Derek's

533
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Speaker 9: point is coming from. Flus may not have magically rolled

534
00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:09,719
Speaker 9: out the being forgot how to coach, but sometimes as

535
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Speaker 9: as an older coach, not like he's old old, but

536
00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:16,239
Speaker 9: he's been a coordinator and a head coach, he's kind

537
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Speaker 9: of established a little bit. He's not as hungry as

538
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Speaker 9: another coach that's up three in the morning trying to

539
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Speaker 9: make adjustments. That's trying to make change. I guess whatever

540
00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:25,760
Speaker 9: he wants to roll out is what he wants to

541
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Speaker 9: roll out. Maybe he's not on it like everybody else.

542
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Speaker 9: And this is just me assuming as well. But that's

543
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Speaker 9: just what it looks like, right, He's not making the

544
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Speaker 9: extra adjustment that a hungry coach would probably want to.

545
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Speaker 2: But could it also be because I think this happens

546
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Speaker 2: with veteran coaches sometimes they get into this mindset of

547
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Speaker 2: we just got to keep doing it until we figure out.

548
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Speaker 2: We gonna figure it because I've seen this work. It's like,

549
00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:48,920
Speaker 2: what was that that line from Remember the Titans? He said,

550
00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:51,000
Speaker 2: it's like nova, Can you just keep running it? Eventually

551
00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:53,639
Speaker 2: it's gonna work like it. I think veteran coaches sometimes

552
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Speaker 2: because they've seen it, they also do.

553
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Speaker 3: This for players.

554
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Speaker 2: I've seen this guy play. Well, I'm just gonna keep

555
00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:01,360
Speaker 2: trusting that if I keep giving the opportunity, mur you're

556
00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:03,520
Speaker 2: gonna get right. Maybe that's the deal with Murray. But

557
00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:05,960
Speaker 2: and by the way, I'm not saying that's right. That

558
00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:07,800
Speaker 2: then they have to be accountable for that if they're

559
00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:10,600
Speaker 2: gonna go that route. But I do think that's probably

560
00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:13,359
Speaker 2: more likely for a veteran coach than just he's not hungry.

561
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Speaker 2: I think they all want to.

562
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Speaker 5: With today's NFL, that mentality, in my opinion, no longer

563
00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:23,800
Speaker 5: works because the games happen so quickly, the season flies by.

564
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Speaker 5: And I've seen it enough in the time that I've

565
00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:30,240
Speaker 5: been working here that when you just keep doing the

566
00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:33,560
Speaker 5: same thing over and over more often than not, it's

567
00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:35,920
Speaker 5: just never gonna work. Like it doesn't. It doesn't. And

568
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Speaker 5: then all of a sudden, you're sitting here in December,

569
00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:40,360
Speaker 5: you're running out of time. You're like, well, there goes

570
00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:44,440
Speaker 5: another season we saw. I mean, we've seen this over

571
00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:48,919
Speaker 5: and over again, and the end result, it's the end

572
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Speaker 5: of result. It doesn't work.

573
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Speaker 2: I'm with you.

574
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Speaker 5: You have to be able to adjust, to look at

575
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Speaker 5: what you're working with and know, okay, well crap, now,

576
00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:02,280
Speaker 5: maybe his adjustment will making that change in that game

577
00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:06,200
Speaker 5: that you're like, why he going away from it? It's

578
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:07,280
Speaker 5: also making the right.

579
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Speaker 11: Adjustment, but you're also dealing with the first first time

580
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Speaker 11: head coach, and you know, and some of these sometimes

581
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Speaker 11: you're in a situation where if you're a guy that

582
00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:18,760
Speaker 11: feels like you're going to you know, you're going to

583
00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:21,600
Speaker 11: get a job as a head coach, you have an

584
00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:23,840
Speaker 11: idea of guys that you want to bring along with you,

585
00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:27,919
Speaker 11: you know, And so here's Brian Schottenheimer. He has an

586
00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:30,240
Speaker 11: idea of the guys here. Look look at the.

587
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Speaker 3: Guys on staff.

588
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Speaker 11: I mean he basically kept everybody on the offensive staff,

589
00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:37,280
Speaker 11: and then they got rid of the line coach and

590
00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:39,879
Speaker 11: brought a new one in and a new coordinator and

591
00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:42,800
Speaker 11: all that things that they needed. But those are things

592
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Speaker 11: that he was familiar with and sa all of a

593
00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:48,280
Speaker 11: sudden though, as as a first time head coach, you're

594
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Speaker 11: a little bit of the mercy of the front office.

595
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Speaker 11: Front offices. Listen, we were with this guy, Matt Eberflus

596
00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:55,080
Speaker 11: when he was here. Yeah, oh yeah, I know Flu.

597
00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:58,880
Speaker 11: So I don't know him personally, but does his philosophy

598
00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:03,399
Speaker 11: match where Brian Schottenheimer's philosophy is. I think if you

599
00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:07,080
Speaker 11: had to say through fourteen weeks of the season, there

600
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Speaker 11: are things now that Brian Schottenheimer knows as a head

601
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Speaker 11: coach and now knows about Matty Flu's scheme that he

602
00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:15,800
Speaker 11: would probably say, listen, I would like to change this.

603
00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:19,520
Speaker 11: I would like to change this. And so sometimes as

604
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Speaker 11: that first time head coach, you're so happy to have

605
00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:27,080
Speaker 11: the job and somebody recommends a guy. Listen, we were

606
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Speaker 11: with this guy. This guy can coach. Just okay, man,

607
00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:32,600
Speaker 11: I trust you I'm going along with you if that,

608
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Speaker 11: But it might not fit your philosophy, it might not

609
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Speaker 11: fit how you want it coached. You know, those are

610
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Speaker 11: the things you have to kind of, you know, let's

611
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Speaker 11: be honest. Mike McCarthy got very fortunate with dan Quinn.

612
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Speaker 11: He talked about being hungry. Dan Quinn went out and

613
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Speaker 11: reinvented himself the time he had off. You know, Matt

614
00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:57,320
Speaker 11: Ebraflus went from a head coach to back to being

615
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Speaker 11: a coordinator. So there are things I think think that

616
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:04,240
Speaker 11: Brian Schottenheimer clearly would like to do differently, And I

617
00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:06,480
Speaker 11: think if he had to do it over that he

618
00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:10,000
Speaker 11: would probably with the experience that he has now, maybe

619
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Speaker 11: he would have liked that opportunity to hire his own coach.

620
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Speaker 11: But when he got the job, he was just grateful

621
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Speaker 11: he had the job, and he put together the staff

622
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Speaker 11: how he saw fit, with some recommendations from the front office,

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Speaker 11: and now that what he knows, maybe he would have

624
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Speaker 11: done things a little bit differently.

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Speaker 3: Got a break.

626
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Speaker 2: All right, we're gonna take our final break, and do

627
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Speaker 2: you have something you want to throw it?

628
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Speaker 3: I got so much more about Flues. Are we moving

629
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Speaker 3: on from Flues?

630
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Speaker 2: On Thursday, I really want to get to the linebacker position.

631
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Speaker 3: That might have some I'm still go I'm still gonna

632
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Speaker 3: fuss at flues.

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Speaker 2: We're in the final second of the break life in

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Speaker 2: about the defense. I want to zero in a little

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Speaker 2: bit on the linebacker position. Let's start first by I

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Speaker 2: want you guys to give me an assessment of what

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Speaker 2: you think of Logan Wilson's play and what you think

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Speaker 2: of Kenneth Murray's play, because these are the two linebackers

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Speaker 2: that are predominantly kind of in the spotlight as the

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Speaker 2: supposedly the guy now we're not We're going to put

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Speaker 2: a pen in Overshown for a minute, because he's coming back.

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Speaker 2: He's actually the linebacker playing the most. But these other

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Speaker 2: two are the are the guys that that I think

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Speaker 2: are playing. The amount that they're playing is probably flipped

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Speaker 2: from what most people thought when they acquired Logan Wilson.

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Speaker 2: What do you think of Logan Wilson's playing? What do

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Speaker 2: you think of Ken Murray's playing?

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Speaker 9: Nobody's playing fantastic. Let me just say that nobody's knocking

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Speaker 9: it out the park, not even overshan really, But yeah,

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Speaker 9: Murray is just like obviously not getting the job done.

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Speaker 9: And that's the nicest way I could say, because I

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Speaker 9: was gonna say something meaning, but I thought about what

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Speaker 9: you know, what ambar say, and I would find a

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Speaker 9: very nice way to say it. Murray's just not doing

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Speaker 9: his part. I would love to know who's in charge

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Speaker 9: of the rotation. I would love to know how much

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Speaker 9: power the head coach got in that rotation, you know,

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Speaker 9: like the say in which who who does? Because I

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Speaker 9: would love it if somebody say, hey man, this fifty

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Speaker 9: nine thing ain't working. Can we run with the catch

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Speaker 9: we just acquired that that that looks a little better.

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Speaker 9: Like I said, man, Logan hasn't been like a pro bowler,

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Speaker 9: but at least he does small things like game ground.

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Speaker 9: He's when he's dropping, he's kind of in the right

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Speaker 9: direction when he's moving in a certain place. I'm gonna

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Speaker 9: defend Murray on this one thing. There were some cowboy

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Speaker 9: fans that was mad at him because you know, he

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Speaker 9: couldn't tackle Gibbs and open space with nobody's gonna be

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Speaker 9: able to do that. Shamar wasn't gonna be able to

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Speaker 9: do it, Mary's wasn't gonna be able to do it

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Speaker 9: overshown or like nobody they weren't gonna tackle Gibbs in

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Speaker 9: open space like that.

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Speaker 3: But all right, Murray, you can't tackle Gibbs and over space.

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Speaker 3: I get it.

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Speaker 9: What's your next play look like? And the next thirty

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Speaker 9: or so Murray plays? It sounds mean when I say

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Speaker 9: I promise him not being mean. It looked like he

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Speaker 9: doesn't think and run at the same time. He's either

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Speaker 9: running maybe a little slow to it, or he's thinking

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Speaker 9: and he's not moving. I'm not being mean. That's just

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Speaker 9: my that's just how I look at it. So a

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Speaker 9: lot of times, what happened is is if you do

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Speaker 9: any kind of misdirection, any kind of little motion, he

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Speaker 9: stops moving. I would at least take a guy like

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Speaker 9: Logan Wilson that'll move in a direction and if he's wrong,

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Speaker 9: he'll plant his foot and just go the other way.

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Speaker 9: Overshon does it as well. I think Murray played like

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Speaker 9: ten more rep then Logan.

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Speaker 12: Did.

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Speaker 3: I believe Murray was in the thirties Logans in the twenties.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 9: I made a joke that if they just playing the

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Speaker 9: same amount of series or whatever, that is just take

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Speaker 9: longer to put points on the board with Logan, Like

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Speaker 9: there's just longer drives with Murray on the field than

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Speaker 9: it deals with Logan on the field. Your linebacker play

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Speaker 9: ain't good. You're probably gonna have to address that in

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Speaker 9: the offseason. But if it's all over these the last

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Speaker 9: four games anyway, and we just evaluating for the future,

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Speaker 9: I don't think fifty nine is going to.

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Speaker 3: Be a part of it.

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Speaker 11: He played nineteen more snaps.

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Speaker 9: Nineteen more, Yeah, Murray played nineteen more than Logan.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, fifty percent snaps for him, forty two percent snaps

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Speaker 2: for Logan Wilson, only fifteen percent for Marrisleophile's.

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Speaker 11: That's once again, it's the hazards of when you have turnover.

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Speaker 11: And this is probably why the front office doesn't want

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Speaker 11: to have turnover. Maybe coach Schottenheimer doesn't want to turnover

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Speaker 11: with the defensive coordinator because all of a sudden you

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Speaker 11: bring in a whole new defensive staff. Well, here we go.

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Speaker 11: The players that just this daft drafted will now become

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Speaker 11: players like Mary's leafhau where all of a sudden we

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Speaker 11: could not the day three of the draft, sitting in

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Speaker 11: this room to a scout, a coach, we had the

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Speaker 11: linebacker coach has had everybody in here, and they could

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Speaker 11: not say enough great things about Mary's Leifel. I mean,

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Speaker 11: Mary Sleefel is like you would swear he was the

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Speaker 11: greatest linebacker to ever played. And now under this current regime,

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Speaker 11: Marus Leafel can't find his way to the field, you know,

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Speaker 11: and you wonder, you wonder if he is a fit.

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Speaker 11: And this is the hazards when you when you keep

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Speaker 11: turning over certain groups or coaches, your group becomes a

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Speaker 11: little bit mismatched. And maybe maryers Leafel doesn't fit into

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Speaker 11: where under the Mike Zimmer regime he was destined to

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Speaker 11: be a guy that was going to get almost every snap.

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Speaker 11: That's just not the case right now.

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Speaker 5: I just I have a problem with this whole mentality

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Speaker 5: of the difference in coaching, Like, you should be able

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Speaker 5: because a professional is a professional, an athlete is an athlete.

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Speaker 5: You're in the NFL, you should be able to and

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Speaker 5: I get it, depending on your physique, there are certain

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Speaker 5: things that you can be better at, but not to

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Speaker 5: the extent where you're just a mess on the field

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Speaker 5: and you're incapable of doing what you're supposed to do.

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Speaker 5: So you I cannot buy into, oh, well, now you

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Speaker 5: got a different coach and that player is not thriving

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Speaker 5: under that scheme. You should be able to coach that

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Speaker 5: player into what you're trying to do. I'm like this guy,

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Speaker 5: I can tell this my birthday. All the prices over.

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Speaker 2: Here because.

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Speaker 3: Once a week, once a week, you say something that

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Speaker 3: really stick to me.

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Speaker 5: But please, I appreciate that, please, But that whole thing is,

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Speaker 5: there's just no way that you have these guys that

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Speaker 5: you've seen them be talented in the National Football League

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Speaker 5: as a whole, where even in college they had experience,

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Speaker 5: and then you bring him and to use your example,

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Speaker 5: Brian with Leo fou we saw him last year when

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Speaker 5: he just came got dropped into there boom, and then

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Speaker 5: we saw him. We saw the potential, We saw him

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Speaker 5: have that spark, and we started saying, hey, next year,

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Speaker 5: that guy, he's gonna be a really good linebacker for

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Speaker 5: you man. And then all of a sudden, his amount

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Speaker 5: of time on the field, his snaps, you just keep

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Speaker 5: dropping and dropping and dropping. You don't see him. You

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Speaker 5: don't this guy Logan Wilson. We talked about him when

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Speaker 5: he they just made the trade, and we're like, well,

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Speaker 5: this guy can do some things. We've seen him do

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Speaker 5: all of a sudden, nothing like all of a sudden.

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Speaker 5: We ain't got nobody that works. And I don't believe

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Speaker 5: that it's a playing I don't because these guys work

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Speaker 5: really hard. Not that the coaches don't either, but there's

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Speaker 5: talent there, and I think anybody else seen another team

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Speaker 5: would love to have a guy like Leo Foul.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, man, y'all can miss me with this continuity stuff too.

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Speaker 9: Y'all can miss me with this. I've been hearing that

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Speaker 9: a lot, all the defensive continuity. You want to know

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Speaker 9: one thing that whoops connuity every single time. It is

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Speaker 9: better dudes, Better dudes whip continuity every single time. We

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Speaker 9: had a lot of change at the let's just say

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Speaker 9: the old line coach, right constant change, the old line coach, Salari,

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Speaker 9: fielbn whatever, whatever. But when you get a dude up

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Speaker 9: in here, that's that's good. That's two good old line coaches.

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Speaker 9: Your old line looks a little different than what it

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Speaker 9: previous has. You know what I'm saying, Nobody, nobody's saying

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Speaker 9: that about Oh, the wide receiver coaches are different, the

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Speaker 9: old line coaches are different.

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Speaker 3: What about that?

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Speaker 9: There's a huge contrast between Kellen call and plays and

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Speaker 9: then Mike call and plays and then shoddy calling plays.

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Speaker 9: Better dudes make those things better. So now, once we

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Speaker 9: got the right dude in the seat, then we can

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Speaker 9: build connuity. So your two Clayton Adams, your two Shinnenheimer

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Speaker 9: year two, whoever, whoever, Now you're building connuity once you

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Speaker 9: got the right dude in place. I don't want to

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Speaker 9: know what Flu's connuity looks like, and it may sound mean,

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Speaker 9: pardon me, I don't want to know what Flu's connuity

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Speaker 9: sounds like. I'm sure that if you get a better

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Speaker 9: physical coordinator in here, everybody's gonna start playing better. Then

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Speaker 9: you build coninuity from that. I don't want to build

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Speaker 9: connuity on something that ain't working right now.

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Speaker 2: I ask your question, it's impossible that disposition, the linebacker position,

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Speaker 2: linebacks could be holding this defense back.

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Speaker 3: Man, everybody looking bad.

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Speaker 2: I get that, But I'm saying the position and the

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Speaker 2: role that the linebacker plays could really bad. Play at

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Speaker 2: the linebacker position. Could that be affecting other positions as well?

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Speaker 3: Expertise, it is whispering, it is, it is.

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Speaker 2: But I'm saying, though, is could that be the biggest

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Speaker 2: problem that this defense as? Like if you solve that problem, Oh,

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Speaker 2: if tomorrow you solve that linebacker problem, do you think

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Speaker 2: this defense is better?

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Speaker 3: Man? I think if you had two all Pro linebackers

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Speaker 3: right now, I think flu So find a way.

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Speaker 9: Now that's just hating brou I think, okay, so how

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Speaker 9: about this shouts my guy will still right, my guy

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Speaker 9: will still a tweet about this?

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Speaker 4: Right?

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Speaker 9: He was like Mike Zimmer, like in the middle of

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Speaker 9: the season, realized who Overshawn was. It's like a pass rusher. Yeah,

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Speaker 9: So all of a sudden we saw a bunch of

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Speaker 9: overshown pass rushing, five sacks like tapers for lost all

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Speaker 9: this kind of stuff. Right now, we got a dude

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Speaker 9: that kind of sees who and we don't get none

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Speaker 9: of that. Where's the using what you got?

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Speaker 2: No, it's Quinn with Micah, it's Quinn with Michael.

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Speaker 9: Where's the using what you got? And we got Quinn

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Speaker 9: Williams up here, and Quinn used all his superpowers as

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Speaker 9: much as he could, But like, what's the next step,

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Speaker 9: what's the next adjustment? So I feel Michael could have

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Speaker 9: been here. Fred Warner could be here. I don't know

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Speaker 9: if I can say names best corner of the league

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Speaker 9: could be here. You could have traded for Sauce, he

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Speaker 9: could have been here. I still think Sauce Gardener will

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Speaker 9: be playing twelve yards off the line of scrimmage. I

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Speaker 9: still think Fred'll be running all over the place trying

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Speaker 9: to get somebody the lineup prop. I still think it'll

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Speaker 9: be goofy up in here. I still think you if

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Speaker 9: you had the best blitzing linebacker in the league, Flutes

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Speaker 9: wouldn't Blitzer wouldn't blitz them. Bill kan Neuty with another dude, Sorry, Flus,

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Speaker 9: We we work together. Man, we're in the same building.

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Speaker 9: Don't ball you fit some because them, Dude, Let'm say

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Speaker 9: some security dangers up front. Dog, don't attack me, But Flues,

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Speaker 9: it's on film, doog. If I'm lying, you know what

894
00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:16,640
Speaker 9: I'm saying. If I'm lying, it's different. If I'm hating,

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Speaker 9: it's different. This stuff on film. Brian coming here with

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Speaker 9: a number every single day to put a numeric opinion

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Speaker 9: on mind a fact, a numeric fact on top of

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Speaker 9: my opinion. Sorry, Bro, Flues, you made a lot of

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Speaker 9: money this year. I'm proud of you, Dog, by your

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Speaker 9: family house or something.

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Speaker 3: Proud of you. Bro, well Man, I think we need

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Speaker 3: some new blood here.

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Speaker 12: Man.

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Speaker 9: It's some good defense coordinators that college football playoffs, Brian,

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Speaker 9: I love to snatch.

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Speaker 3: One of them. Patricia, do something for my buddy in Oklahoma,

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Speaker 3: and then Hannah. The characters.

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Speaker 2: That is a wrap will be back tomorrow. Actually, Brian's

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Speaker 2: gonna have some questions for us tomorrow, so I'm sure

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Speaker 2: there's gonna be some interesting conversations that come out of that.

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Speaker 2: Sorry again, Happy birthday, Amber, until then, Until tomorrow for Bacchu,

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Speaker 2: Lombardi Boys, rodust In Ambergarci. I'm Derek and this has

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